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Aren't functionally bilingual...yet? Was that your concern? The kindergarten age group is generally super sharp when exposed to multiple languages. Their inquisitive brains aren't already full of too much trivial grown-up junk. When growing up, my family lived out of the US for 3 years and my middle sister was in elementary school. Her program was full immersion and to this day she remains conversationally bilingual (of which I am jealous). It has been both advantageous and helpful throughout her professional and personal life. If the local school system is prepared to step up, shouldn't be a drawback. IMHO.
USA - Mon 10/14/2019 - 10:57:36
Nearly 1/3 of Chatham kindergartners this year can't speak English?
Melissa R.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/14/2019 - 10:08:23
Maybe we need to look at the COA from a different perspective. Ask yourself this question, "Is the dog wagging its tail or is the tail wagging the dog?" We think it is the latter.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/14/2019 - 09:57:57
We also like the current location. People are also starting to realize that the current group of baby boomers are not interested in even using the COA. Our generation has so many more options than the previous ones, we feel we will never use it. They really need to down size things or we will not vote for it. The town seems bent on spending millions upon millions and a lot of us simply can't afford it.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/14/2019 - 09:28:03
I'm afraid if the BOS don't come up with some clear, scaled down alternatives, we as voters will have no choice but to vote down funding. The way it's looking right now is not good.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/14/2019 - 09:01:55
Thank you Bob - seems to be a popular decision among many.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/13/2019 - 19:14:17
Okay, time to join the fray. I went for several years to the COA {usually to play SCRABBLE} and never found the complex to be anywhere near maxed out. True, I did not stay all day, but just about every day of my life after 1965 I have driven that road and there always seemed, and still seems, to be open parking spaces. I look at the Harwich counterpart and see a different situation. My vote would be rebuild our existing structure at a far smaller scale than has been hinted.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/13/2019 - 17:56:26
Whoa! I was at that workshop BOA meeting and I totally disagree with the reported outcome that Stony Hill renovation is off the table! It was clear to me that the West Chatham Sibley property was too small after the proposed land swap with the park could NOT work. Even developer Oppenheim agreed. What kind of pressure and from whom did this reporting come from? Do they think we are THAT DUMB? Something is rotten in Chatham.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/13/2019 - 12:39:44
I was at that meeting and no decisions were made . I think the Chronicle has made an error and owes an apology to the people.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/13/2019 - 12:07:44
Just read that the location of the COA will either be the Marconi site or West Chatham. Bill Marsh wins again? Either place will confirm my decision to leave the town I grew up and loved. Anyone who isn't blind and can read knows something isn't right in town government. As the old expression says "Follow the money". I used the COA, true it was over six years ago, and never saw more than a dozen people there and some days saw no one. As for the cars, how many belong to the employees. When the Town Report comes out in the spring, check out the wages of the town employees and how many married couples collect wages. Chatham has become a rich town but the older people who would use the COA aren't among rich, which eliminates retirees and second home owners. Everything changes as has Chatham, sad that so much heritage is being lost.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Sun 10/13/2019 - 11:37:38
Still favor adding on to the Community Center. Too bad that ship has sailed.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/12/2019 - 09:10:23
Still in favor of demolishing current COA building and build new on that site. No need of an underground parking, plenty of room. I'm sure there is another building in Chatham to run the COA from until new one built. Also less traffic on Stoney Hill Rd.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/12/2019 - 07:21:40
I have to agree with Judy. The current site should be the first choice. A pool for the community would benefit young and old alike. That would be a true community space.
KimT <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/11/2019 - 20:13:56
The problem I have with Marconi is that they're taking away green space and building a HUGE building that is not needed. There's nothing wrong with the current location. No need for the million dollar underground garage - especially since so many seemed to be afraid of it. One of my friends commented that there's no way 60 + seniors are driving there to occupy those parking spaces which is an excellent point. No need for another palace. No need for adult day care when Orleans has one that Chatham has utilized for years. Just to be clear - I, along with two friends have had extremely unpleasant experiences dealing with the COA with aging parents. I have never been a fan and after last night listening to the nasty elderly people shoot my idea down of decreasing the building size and building a pool for the younger generation I saw their true colors. There seems to be an attitude of entitlement with these folks and I'm not going to support it. It's not just about them - it's about the community' as a whole. My opinion.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/11/2019 - 19:40:01
Like Elaine said last night, with Sibley's, the Town would end up paying over twice what the land is worth, to only use about half the property. I don't mind the idea of the COA being moved to MCI if not at it's current location. If the new building is scaled down and designed to look like the other MCI buildings then I see no problem. Bill Marsh's property is too expensive and problematic.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/11/2019 - 18:26:28
Well Mr Marsh graciously lowered the price of the Sibley property to the Town tonite for $750K. Still almost doubled from what he paid. Interesting when that was mentioned there were a LOT of snickers from the audience. Seems people really care and don't want that site. Marconi seemed to be the favored site tonite but all three options still remain on the table til Oct 21. My opinion is that the building is still a palace and there's no need for a building that size.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/10/2019 - 21:34:12
There is a meeting tonight at the Annex at 6 to discuss site selection and possibly a vote on the COA location. There is a PowerPoint presentation of the options. In addition to the Sibley property they have "cleverly" included the Capt George Harding Park for this new site. This was purchased by Land Bank funds. Not allowed. The cost comparisons show purchasing the $900K Sibley property and the park would be less expensive than renovating the current building. This is simply not true. There is a great LTE in the Chronicle today by Betsy Abreu asking why we can't utilize land we already have on Old Harbor Road and combine it with the school. With the West Chatham roadway project going nowhere with its bomb shelter appearance, the never ending construction project at the Fish Pier, the incessant whining of the "airport detractors" using tax payers money to fund their ridiculous lawsuit, along with the new proposal to now disrupt the intersection at the traffic lights, I think it's time to stop. There should be a moratorium put on all new projects until these projects are done. This town is a nightmare. For the Board of Selectman and the Town Manager to ask taxpayers to fund more land purchase in West Chatham is absolutely absurd. They want to have the most expensive parking lot in Chatham for this COA at $900K . No need. Once again -- just STOP with the craziness and get our town in order.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/10/2019 - 08:42:58
I was commenting on aesthetic issues, not safety issues. Haven't been that close to the site, only viewing from the CG dock at the North jog.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 10/05/2019 - 19:05:28
Richard - I think some of the fishermen would disagree with you. One even went so far at a meeting I was at to ask for another engineer's opinion because he didn't believe what he had seen was safe. It fell on deaf ears. Time will tell . It certainly isn't going be done in the next few weeks which is the deadline for completion. Not that any dates the contractor has been given have been adhered to.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/05/2019 - 17:43:42
Not unsafe, but not workmanlike either is the fact that Cape Cod carpenters take great pains to line up courses of shingles between faces of the building. To wit: the East facing shingles now do not line up with the North facing ones. Just an indicator of what might be other unworkmanlike deficiencies.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 10/05/2019 - 17:16:53
Hi Melissa - Shoddy as in not safe at all.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/04/2019 - 17:55:05
Have only read and heard about delayed completion of the Fish Pier. Shoddy as in "not aesthetically pleasing" or shoddy as in "unsafe to stand on"? The long-term consequences of the shoddiness could be very different depending on which one. So sad this educational, Chatham-esque experience remains out of reach.
USA - Fri 10/04/2019 - 15:06:45
Lots of interesting comments flying around on social media regarding the shoddy construction going on at the Fish Pier. Anyone else see this in person? Not a carpenter or engineer, but folks "in the know" seem to be quite concerned about this.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/04/2019 - 08:53:48
Jared, Jerry was always the perfect gentleman while working for the Schluter Family. Did you ever see anyone who moved faster? I never did!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 09/29/2019 - 15:54:08
Hi all, I received word today that Gerry Custodie passed away last week. Chatham has lost another great one. I worked with Gerry part time in the school as a custodian a few years back. Always tried to attend the Wednesday night cruises in Harwich that he and brother John ran and was always greeted by him with a handshake and chat. I hope he is at peace.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/24/2019 - 21:54:57
Totally agree with you. It was painful being there watching it. On the plus side the gentleman who complained about the noise coming from from Chase Park was there. I have never been prouder to be a resident of this Town and watched folks handing him him his butt on a platter tactfully. One of the Selectman said it was like buying a house near the airport and complaining about the planes. Another individual said he had bullied her and that there is an increasing air of "entitlement" going on in this town. The topper was when he said the labyrinth was akin to having folks walk in a circle holding signs - similar to a picket line. Then he criticized the croquet players. He had no friends at this meeting. This probably was the best entertainment anywhere on Cape Cod for a Monday night.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/19/2019 - 20:04:55
Folks paid by the Chatham taxpayers money do have an obligation to be responsive to the people who pay their salaries. Whether they like being grilled or not.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/19/2019 - 17:55:04
Richard - that was pretty much what the citizens said that spoke. They're not going to do anything about it apparently. One fisherman spoke and said he believes the crew there are doing whatever they can to finish on time. He also called for another independent engineering firm to check out some questionable areas for safety concerns but that fell on deaf ears. Mr. Duncanson clearly did not enjoy answering questions that were asked to him regarding the engineering of certain areas.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/18/2019 - 20:07:48
So, what was the gist of the Selectmen's Meeting regarding the Fish Pier completion date? I visited there last week, and unless a major effort by the contractor is made, finishing up by the middle of October looks unrealistic.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/17/2019 - 17:30:02
Tomorrow nite - Monday- Board of Selectman meeting. First item on agenda is the Fish Pier status update. Public comments are allowed. It'll be interesting to hear the latest update from Dr. Bob as to how they believe October 16 is the "completion date". Could be entertaining and I hope the fishing community attends.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/15/2019 - 19:15:51
Ben, This story is one of the saddest ever. I am compelled to donate to GFM.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 09/13/2019 - 13:53:33
this portion was cut from my previous submission..

If you want to contribute to his wife out of respect for Captain Philip Thomas please do so on this Go Fund Me offer.
Bill Bartsch
San Diego Pilot

By way of explanation, I know this has no direct connection to Chatham other than the Atlantic Ocean and its awesome power

Ben H
USA - Thu 09/12/2019 - 21:09:36
This is the extraordinary man Captain Philip Thomas was:
Philip Grew up in the small East End settlement of Mclean's town on Grand Bahama Island, where the sea is a way of life. He was the son of a fisherman, raised by a loving family who taught him good moral character, a hard work ethic, and how to be a respectful God-fearing young man. The church was a very important part of Philip's life.In his early years, his father Philip Senior taught him how to provide for his family by living off the sea, with running a boat, fishing, and diving. With this skillset he went to work for his father's bone fishing company as a young guide, while balancing a school work load.(Maritime Academy portion cut)Philip went home to Grand Bahama Island with his Marine Transportation Degree and 3rd Officer Deck License in hand. He was hired by the Freeport Harbour Pilots that Summer as the youngest pilot they've ever hired. He met his future wife Barri around the same time. There was no stopping him.Eventually conning the largest cruise ship in the world into drydock at Grand Bahama Shipyard.As you all know, we lost Philip in Hurricane Dorian on Sept 1st. The Cat 5 powerful winds reaching 180 MPH coupled with an enormous storm surge, swept Philip and his 3 children out to sea. He fought long and hard to rescue his family, carrying the youngest on his shoulders as he swam and grasped through the mangroves, but only succeeded in saving his wife, before heading back into the sea, one last time, after his children. His last action in life was ensuring Barri survived.Released from the hospital yesterday she is in uniquely utter shock and despair. Where to start? If you want to contribute to this woman out of respect for Captain Philip Thomas please do so on this G

Ben H
USA - Thu 09/12/2019 - 21:01:13
Richard - October 13 I believe is the new date. Pictures are circulating around Facebook showing the workers doing absolutely nothing.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/10/2019 - 19:22:37
Does anyone in Chatham know how close the Fish Pier Observation Deck job is to completion? Any estimates?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/10/2019 - 17:10:14
Happy Anniversary to the couple, CFD & RMD, who were married on the groom's birthday 47 years ago.
USA - Mon 09/09/2019 - 11:37:52
My idea for a better COA facility would be to use the giant slope behind the current building to build a new meeting ing room or rooms with an under cover garage for people to park safely out of the snow and ice.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/09/2019 - 10:01:32
Just back from the Ms. Eelgrass. It was a dud. Not for lack of effort on those putting it on. Capt. Eelgrass (Paul's grandson) was there in the beginning but was nowhere to be found during the contestants coming up or for the judging. Only three contestants. I'm sure moving the date because of weather and competing with Windmill Weekend in Eastham and the Cranberry Festival didn't help numbers. Saw a few locals, but in talking to Gloria White, we agreed that Ms. Eelgrass of the past was probably just that-in the past.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 18:33:23
Nice to know that Chatham folks are discussing something relevant to their lives. I shy away from our COA, but might not if it were renamed. Nancy, your entry was very well expressed. By any chance did Josephine Crowell have an influence on your writing ability?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 17:16:53
Crayton, Yes perhaps 80 are not needed but definitely more than what they now have. When I was there for knitting there would be anywhere from 5-8 cars from just our group and at the TOPS group you could count on us to have 8 cars. In bad weather it can be quite difficult.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 16:03:44
Debbie - great suggestion - either that or rebuild on current site. Current attendance does not support a mega-mansion. I would strongly encourage those who think and say otherwise to drive by as I do - several times daily. Attendance has dwindled and Chatham residents are well aware of this.
Ben - Ms Eelgrass contest is being held today at the VFW. It was canceled yesterday. Ecause of weather.

Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 15:29:23
Question: Why wouldn't the total cost of the Senior Center project be seriously mitigated with the sale of the existing site? Adding the needed space to the Community Center, which has the advantage of a sewer hookup, would seem to me to be the most cost effective solution. I welcome other points of view.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 14:44:05
I agree with you Nancy and I have seen more cars at COA then a few they come and go all day and they need more parking then they have not to say 80.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 14:07:02
As a former member of the Chatham COA, I would like to speak positively for a new one, built to the specs that any of the proponents deem necessary. While living in Chatham I took advantage of many of the programs offered. People come and go daily, all day. It is a wonderful place for those of us who spent long years working and can now avail ourselves of programs offered WHICH are very well attended. Perhaps some of you think you will never use the COA but believe me, life can change on a dime. Meals, blood pressure checkups, exercise, legal help, medical info, paper shredding, lending library, guest speakers, monthly trips, monthly birthday celebrations, bus rides for grocery shopping.....just some of what goes on there. The employees, some voluntary, are more than helpful. Chatham is fortunate to have such a place for its seniors and their needs.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 13:16:15
Seems that CAL (Center for Active Living) is fast becoming the favored moniker instead of COA or Senior Center. Check out Plymouth (existing) and Sandwich (proposed).
USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 10:08:05
Back to the COA. I received an email from someone who shall remain anonymous telling me my opinions re the COA were erroneous and that I did not know all the wonderful programs offered there. I wanted to respond publicly because my opinions are just that - my opinions. She went on to say that the current space does not have room for all their programs. I believe her letter was misworded and should have said they have programs available -yet there are no takers. The issue is not the space. It's the declining use. As anyone who is familiar with this debacle knows, there are NEVER more than 5-7 cars in the parking lot on any given day. For anyone to think that 80+ parking spaces are needed there is just crazy. I don't need to speak to any of the mgmt. there to find out numbers - the numbers speak for themselves. I was also told I'd be "enlightened" if I read the monthly newsletter. My opinion, along with many others still is that. The voting citizens of Chatham most likely are not going to fund a new mega mansion for a building that's intended use is declining. I have spoken to many people regarding this and the consensus of opinion is to use the current site and rebuild a MODEST facility that will serve those wishing to avail themselves their services. It's time to smarten up and use our tax dollars wisely.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/08/2019 - 09:08:37
(continuing) aren't any elephants in the ChatMRoom so please don't bring those big ones in here. I get enough politics outside the Room, how about who won Miss Eelgrass this year or when does scallop season start. A friendly request from one octogenerian to one "soon to be". Thanks my man
Ben H
USA - Sat 09/07/2019 - 20:38:05
Score Patterson 1 Ryder 0 I really enjoy your stuff Richard because it is so Cape Cod, Captain Dave, Coast Guard - I hang in here to read about Chatham (Eastham if you want)and all the lore that goes with it. My point is - there aren't any elephants in the ChatM
Ben H
USA - Sat 09/07/2019 - 20:31:44
Please keep your political comments to yourself. Plenty of folks like Trump despite what others say. This is not the place for political hatred -it should only be about Chatham.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/07/2019 - 17:54:20
There are huge troubling elephants in our country/room that need to be addressed. I know this is not the forum. For no one to make an entry since 8/28, almost two weeks later, indicates that this forum has died a natural death., or at least comatose.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/07/2019 - 17:47:41
At the risk of being deleted from this site, it is about time we recognize that our president is the elephant in the room and needs to be culled from the herd as too much of a rogue and a dangerous male. If I never visit here again, at least I have said my piece at close to 80.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/07/2019 - 17:36:35
I was told today that the Elementary School is filled. Sorry for earlier post. I'm for the Community Building !!
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/28/2019 - 20:22:18
I was at that meeting. Several vocal mothers in combination with COA folks who wanted the Middle Rd. site put the CC off the table. I was told that Town officials were really surprised because they had previously received so any messages supporting the CC.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/28/2019 - 08:53:13
I thought the Community Building was an excellent idea. Apparently all the young families that came to one of the meetings didn't. Their presentations at that meeting killed it. I would vote for the Community Center if it were put to vote. I would also encourage them to look at the Elementary School where the seniors could also interact with kids. Drive by the current COA any day of the week - there are never more than 5-6 cars there. Why they "think" they need parking for 80 is just ridiculous.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/28/2019 - 08:22:23
Wouldn't it be cool to have the Community Center used for Seniors as well as kids? The Elementary School has classes for K to 4 plus a welcome new class for pre school.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/28/2019 - 08:19:40
There and also on Shore road at the 4 corners. Courtnells old property
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/27/2019 - 23:22:41
Boy, wouldn't it be cool to have the Chatham Elementary School property used for Seniors as well as kids?

Some of us remember when the Cole Brothers circus set up their 3 ring tent at that site, including elephants hoisting the ropes, etc. Who remembers that such an event happened at that place?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/27/2019 - 17:41:39
Someone suggested to me this morning they should use the Elementary School - because only two classes are utilized there. There's a full kitchen there as well as a huge auditorium. I don't care what they use as long as they don't purchase more land. I think the BOS know there's going to be a huge pushback on buying more property and they are certainly going to have a fight on their hands should they decided to pursue the Sibley property.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/26/2019 - 11:36:38
Please take a look at the Selectmens meeting where possible locations were discussed. They did show a drawing of a new center at the present location that looked pretty good.
There seems to be a "build it and they will come" mantra. While that worked in the movies, is that theory worth dropping SIX MILLION DOLLARS to find out? We think not.

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/26/2019 - 11:05:31
The Town shouldn't touch Sibley's property with a 10 foot pole. I think Judy is right that COA use is diminishing as generations age out, especially where people are working into older ages and not taking full retirement. Bigger is not always better.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/26/2019 - 09:36:45
Cynthia - The folks that are using it now are the oness advocating for a new building. Surveys were sent a few years ago at considerable expense that weren't worth much. You have an excellent idea about the builder contributing land; however that isn't working as it should now with that already being in place. I still, for the life of me, can't understand why 1610 Main Street would even be considered when this building was torn down (basically illegally without proper permits in place)at 6:00 a.m. on a Saturday morning behind everyone's back. Had everyone forgotten the outrage when that happened? Just because he can't sell the land doesn't mean the Town should bail him out. We also do not need to buy more land when we have plenty to make do with.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/25/2019 - 08:59:36
Concerning the Senior Center old or new. Would probably be a good idea to get feedback from those who use it, not people who do not intend upon using the Senior Center. Even though they have likely not set foot in any senior center. Ideally it would be in the center of town so public transportation is easy to use to get there. You never know when a disability would hit or you lose the privilege to drive a car. There are classes there for a variety of things. The ability to help others. Trips to places of interest. Trip to do food shopping etc. I pretty much loath regional anything- schools senior centers and public services. While I am not crazy about buying new land and hiring a designer/advisor of the feasibility of renovating or building new- the place needs fixing up. Maybe the next time a builder wants permission to build , part of the deal should be to donate time and materials to the project. Just a thought.
Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/25/2019 - 08:21:08
Alice - The folks that use it now are a lot different than the 40-60 age bracket. My thoughts are both sexes in the younger age brackets have always worked - unlike the older ages. They have more outside influences and friends . They will be less likely to go there for companionship and programs offered. They are always busy. No one I have spoken to about this wants anything to do with a senior center. We should think about regionalizing a center with another town instead of spending more money. We could offer another town money for participants instead of having to start from scratch again. We could try it for a period of time before making a decision . If it wasn't successful then rebuild the current site. I think the folks that are advocating for a brand new location and new building are doing themselves and others a disservice by not exploring other options.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/25/2019 - 07:50:25
Judy, excellent point. We are a little above your age group but have no intention of going to the present of future COA. We put this on their poll a few years ago. So here is the question. Are we building this for all the people who own second homes here and may or may not retire here? This point has been talked about in meetings too. Another question. It seems COA is planning on this. Do we know anyone in the target age group who plans to use a new or existing COA? We do not.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/24/2019 - 09:43:00
Jared - That is because this town is on a never-ending spending spree. Apparently some leaders need to share their vast amounts of knowledge in teaching others how to make do with what we already have. There are no excuses whatsoever for the way the current COA wasn't maintained. No need to spend any more money on a land purchase. Re-do the current building in a MODEST fashion. Voters as seen here are not going to agree for another huge building. It should be kept in mind that the age groups that will benefit from this are in the 40-60 age group now and the majority want nothing to do with it.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/24/2019 - 06:57:48
I too favor rebuilding on the current site or retrofitting the current building. I keep hearing how that just can't be done, but I believe otherwise. Can't be done really means, "isn't convenient".
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 22:18:00
I think most folks are in favor of the current building being rebuilt. I am in favor of that as well. It would have been great at the Community Center; however too many folks with young ones were against that. It is nothing but a waste of money to build another palace at 1610 Main Street. Why buy more property when we own the current one? The leaders in this Town should learn to make do with what we have instead of looking for more open space to destroy. There is nothing wrong with the current location. If the current staff is not able to set up temporary "digs" while it's being rebuilt, I'm sure plenty of seniors would be available to volunteer their assistance.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 12:09:16
We agree with knocking the old COA and putting a REASONABLE building in its place. Expect a lot of pushback from the leaders of the COA against this. They are themselves getting older and this will make their jobs a lot harder as they have to set up programs in temporary places till the new one is built. They have already said so at public meetings.
We have also heard a lot about buying the Sibley property for possible housing so keep an eye on that. Some want to buy the property no matter what.

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 10:55:48
With 5000 square feet on each of the 3 Community Center floors (gym not included), I can't imagine that there isn't enough space there for some senior activities during school hours. Wouldn't using this space be more cost effective than duplicating it somewhere else? Be that as it may, since the Community Center is now off the table, my choice would be to build new on the existing Senior Center site.
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 10:30:40
If you Google Map the current and proposed locations, they are 5 miles apart and almost equidistant from Chatham center. Why would you move from a known location when you are essentially "already there" at the cost of $1M? I certainly don't know any details about the current building, who owns the current property, etc. but staying put in a newly renovated or reasonably constructed building seems to make sense. IMHO
USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 10:20:25
I agree with Dick. Knock the present COA down and build a reasonably sized one, not a huge unwieldy one.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 09:12:51
I am in favor of demolishing the current COA and building the new one on that site. Then I will be able to crawl there if ever needed.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast,net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/23/2019 - 07:27:57
So Judy, Richard, and Debbie - what is COA? I came up with the following on google

Course Of Action
Council On Aging
Cost Of Attendance
Change Of Address
Committee On Accreditation
Center Of Attention
Cheerleaders Of America
Children Of Alcoholics

Please don't take this seriously just trying to have fun in memory of Carl and his quizes
The All Knowing One

Ben H USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 20:16:18
If I were old enough to go to a COA building, I'd want it to be not isolated, have easy parking, and not be terribly expensive to create.
My Starlifter assumption was correct.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 18:54:19
Totally agree with you Debbie. That or the current building renovated. Absolutely insane to have taxpayers buy that property. To ask that amount of money for a property he paid less than half what he is asking is a slap in the face to the taxpayers.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 16:34:59
I thought the COA should be at the Community Center. I can't support paying almost $1 million for the 1610 Main Street site when Town property is available.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 12:58:27
So. . . .on to another topic. . . How do folks feel about 1610 Main Street being converted to a COA site? A LTE in the Chronicle this week seems to think it would be a good idea to use that along with the Capt. Harding park land next door. Guess he doesn't realize the vacant land was purchased with funds from the Land Bank - and has protection as open space. Why destroy more open space?
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 12:10:57
To 'Starlifter': Your comments are more than welcome here BUT what you're NOT allowed to do here unlike other sites is use signatures that are not your name OR another signature that is consistent and appears to be a typical name, ok? A first name that doesn't duplicate any existing user is fine.
Just because you got some hostility because you FAILED to follow the rules of this site and apparently don't believe those rules should apply to you doesn't require you to leave the site.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 11:59:44
No it is not Alan, it is a friend of his whom we share much in common (ie like sailing and the cape.) Starlifter was from my father who was an engineer at Lockheed where there was a contest to name the plane during the early 60's. We would star gaze and he would explain how the stars could be used to celestrial navigate.

Alan explained to me that there was a few really good people at this site, as he viewed it over the years-two of them named Judy. He also warned me that you might find some "not so friendlies, but in his character, he never spoke negatively about anyone, their ideas maybe, but not the person specifically.

Not like what I just witnessed with Ben who appears to be all knowing or this character Wayne who must be riding these $1000 bikes who does not care about anything or anyone on the ride.

So as not to cause any future problems to the moderator, He's left and I too will leave.

USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 10:56:46
It used to be a positive thing to stay informed and offer different views on various subjects. Discourse and dialogue were ways to share ideas and enlightened thinking. Today words no longer have ownership. Through anonymous expression they are released in swarms too often infected with judgement, ugliness and hatred. It's unfortunately a "new normal" in the main stream but very sad to see it spread to the Chat-M-Room, a place originally intended to connect on behalf of Chatham. Yes. for better or worse, change is inevitable but the Chat-M-Room was always a place meet & greet; a place where you were welcome to suggest constructive ways, ask intuitive whys and remember youthful whens. Hackers killed the first Chat-M-Room and JH is doing his best to not let that happen again. Help him by dismissing those who cannot keep a civil tongue and deny them a them platform. We can do this. Thanks for listening.
USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 10:54:27
NOTICE: The rules of this site are: NO monikers as signatures! Any post that has an obvious one WILL be deleted BUT since that's a complicated manual process that usually needs to occur late at night -so- just because a post may remain here for some time does NOT mean it's allowed, but rather I've not yet had time/ability to deal with it and/or may not yet be aware of it, ok?

Also -- Please do NOT reply to any post having a moniker signature as that only makes my work much harder! Your action should strictly be to contact ME directly in any of these ways: email, Facebook PM or phone - but NOT by posting here!
Just IGNORE the offending post instead as that's how I want it handled to reduce the effort required to fix the problem because any reply YOU make must then also be dealt with.

This is in regards to the post made by a user who signed it as "Starlifter". That user NEEDS to contact ME ASAP as above because your post was mostly fine and had a couple of minor issues BUT using that type moniker signature will NOT be tolerated, ok?

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/22/2019 - 00:17:54
1) NO - IT'S NOT Alan! Y'all have NO proof of that whatsoever and I have what I believe is sufficient technical proof that it's someone NEW to site who's never posted before that one I deleted, ok?
2) There IS a rule against it but people break that rule and usually without me knowing about it for some time. I can NOT block fake names - there's NO way to do so and keep the site working as i want it to (open to new users) and also, I just don't have the coding skills to do it either and am unable to learn enough to do so plus I expect (based on prior experience) take me maybe 200 hrs of work.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 22:47:02
No Not OK at all these phony names ruin the room Just make a rule against it so we all know with whom we're talking - makes no difference to the rest of us whether or not you can identify the phony, we need to know who it is - you should not allow this subterfuge - you work so hard to maintain this room for all of us we really appreciate it
Ben H
USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 22:37:06
So when I last checked this site around 3pm today, all was fine. I was out at Harwich Port music event tonight from 6pm till now and now I see that people have once again made a minor problem into a major issue by trying to play Sherlock without any technical clues and made my work even harder which is NOT the way you need to handle this situation, ok?
The number of users who post here has declined over time due to death/illness, etc but that doesn't give the remaining ones free rein either.
I REALLY doubt ANY of you know what goes on behind the scenes technically to make make this site work and while it's admittedly not perfect, it's the best I was able to do. And one thing that I just CANNOT do is block moniker usage automatically! All I can do is address it ONCE I am made aware of it which can be up to a day later, ok?

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 22:05:19
One thing that I know about Starlifter is that 10 to 12 miles is a pretty weak bike ride, I do 20 to 30 at least once a week. Also he did not make much sense and that was a trait that Alan had. To Bad we have to be invaded by a jerk that has probably never been in Chatham.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 21:22:22
Of course it's Alan Wirsul Judy, how long do you think he could stay away - John H deleted his post the other day because it was an attack - this one and some of his others are somewhat interesting - have you noticed always a connection to aviation - I will never be comfortable with John H allowing pseudonyms in here (people online should identify themselves) but that's up to John
Ben H
USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 20:05:35
Lockheed C-141 Starlifter - any connection?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 18:53:53
Starlifter - are you Mr Wirsal?
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 17:48:29
Post with prohibited moniker signature DELETED!
By J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
USA - Wed 08/21/2019 - 23:59:59
If you do see the boat out of water, be sure to notice the Monel plating on the bottom of the boat. Monel was conceived in the 1930's - an alloy of Molybdenum and Nickel, designed to be better than Stainless steel. Of the 135 36 footers built, not all had Monel plating. It was attached at the CG builder's yard to boats that would be used in the winter. I remember the CG36500 breaking ice at the Fish Pier. Monel plating protected the cypress wood hull from ice damage, and still does.. Fishermen were actually walking to their boats back then.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/20/2019 - 17:13:35
Those who might wish to see the CG36500 out of the water can visit the Orleans Block Party on August 21st from 6:30 to 9 PM. Raffle Tickets for a CG36500 Boat Ride for 6 adults will be available there.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 08/19/2019 - 15:57:34
Hey Richard "business attire" Miami might include bermuda shorts - just sayin
Thanks to you and Wayne for the info on Sheila enjoyed the Globe article

ben H
USA - Mon 08/12/2019 - 19:48:33
Actually, for Civilians the dress code for the Webber Commissioning was "Business Attire". I read that there are plans for 56 of these type vessels, all to be named after enlisted heroes or Gold Medal Life Saver Medal recipients.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/11/2019 - 17:20:14
I was asked to have the CG36500 on hand at Nantucket for Sheila's award ceremony recently. There was not enough time to make all the arrangements needed to transport a slow boat from Rock Harbor to Nantucket, and return.
At the commissioning of the USCGC Bernard C. Webber WPC 1101, in Miami some years ago, all invitees were to wear a suit and tie , a dress, or suitable "working attire". Stu Smith and Sheila Lucey show up in Bermuda shorts. At the time, I thought it was disrespectful of them. I still do.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/09/2019 - 19:12:33
Wayne, I remember Sheila Lucey well. I was a crewman on the Grey Lady out of Hyannis Harbor about the time she retired. I believe she retired with the rank of Senior Chief. She had just gotten the job as assistant Harbormaster on the island and we regularly ferried her over. She was always pleasant and quite gregarious. I believe she was somewhat legendary in her career such as the case of retired Master Chief Jack Downey. Glad to see she is doing well over there still.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/09/2019 - 18:42:29
One plane was tipped over but that was it
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/08/2019 - 19:08:31
How did Chatham Airport fare during the tornado? Were there damaged planes?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/08/2019 - 18:57:23
Chuck- That indeed was the plan. Unfortunately, after the Stage Harbor Road debacle, my guess is that we'll only be seeing repair of existing sidewalks for the foreseeable future.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/08/2019 - 07:51:28
When the town installed the sewer line on Old Queen Anne between Stepping Stone and 28, I thought the plan was to put in a sidewalk too. Why didn't that happen?
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/07/2019 - 15:59:23
Anyone who has worked on the water in Chatham for a while would remember Sheila Lucey of the Coast Guard. She was quite a character and is now the Nantucket Harbormaster and there is a great story about her in today's Boston Globe.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/06/2019 - 11:15:16
Glad to hear the skydiving suit was dismissed. Now we have the neighbors around Chase Park complaining there's too much noise coming from the Park. A public park. Let that sink in.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/03/2019 - 06:34:45
From last weekend when I wrote/posted this to my FB but still applies:
The newest Cape Cod 'songbird': Bright yellow or green, rather large, makes noise early in the morning to waken you, creates droppings occasionally, voracious eater, can cause serious body harm/death if bitten by one, goes by the name of: WoodChipper!

J. Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/01/2019 - 12:16:11
At least you got your message out there Elaiine. Good job. 3 editions.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/29/2019 - 22:43:41
FYI - I found the issue with Elaine's initial attempts to post and it was not due to any content in the comments itself but rather a mismatch on State and Country fields that made it fail my spam filters.
Also, after you get a successful post, you may need to do a Cntl+F5 refresh to see it here. Not much that I can do about that.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/29/2019 - 16:10:53
I've tried to post this 4 times. Will give it one more try. Appreciate moderator telling me what is offensive. I would like to thank the Chatham Emergency Preparedness Team- CPD, FPD, Harbormaster, DPW, Parks and Rec and many volunteers for doing an exemplary job as first responders -downed wires, road closures, and boats off moorings-and the aftermath cleanup . And to EverSource who reconnected over 90,000 homes Cape wide in 3 days. An outstanding job by all. Incredible teamwork. If not for the efforts of so many it could have been so much worse.Many of us got hit badly throughout town and you made it far easier for us. It is appreciated.
Elaine <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/28/2019 - 21:36:12
I've tried to post this 3 times and was told content is prohibited. i will try again. I would like to thank the Chatham Emergency Preparedness Team- CPD, FPD, Harbormaster, DPW, Parks and Rec and many volunteers for doing an exemplary job as first responders -downed wires, road closures, and boats off moorings-and the aftermath cleanup . And to EverSource who reconnected over 90,000 homes Cape wide in 3 days. An outstanding job by all. Incredible teamwork. If not for the efforts of so many it could have been so much worse.Many of us got hit badly throughout town and you made it far easier for us. It is appreciated.
Elaine <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/28/2019 - 21:27:06
I would like to thank the Chatham Emergency Preparedness Team- CPD, FPD, Harbormaster, DPW, Parks and Rec and many volunteers for doing an exemplary job as first responders -downed wires, road closures, and boats off moorings-and the aftermath cleanup . And to EverSource who reconnected over 90,000 homes Cape wide in 3 days. An outstanding job by all. Incredible teamwork. If not for the efforts of so many it could have been so much worse.Many of us got hit badly throughout town and you made it far easier for us. It is appreciated.
Elaine <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/28/2019 - 21:21:52
I might have seen it turning left from Main Street to Chatham Bars Avenue, after stopping at the Post Office on the corner, then probably on to Orleans. Paul Karr might have been Postmaster at the time. Our mail on Old Harbor Road was delivered to our mailbox by Rural Route Carrier Eugene Eldredge (aka Seven Shirts).
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/25/2019 - 19:32:25
Thanks, Richard. I had never heard of the busses.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/25/2019 - 17:17:59
John, and others: go to for info on the Post Office bus.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/25/2019 - 11:36:31
Got power back here on Pleasant St around 9:30am. Neighbors just north of me got it last night at 8:45pm but they're on different circuit apparently. That was frustrating a bit to see lights next door but there were some branches in trees south of me that they hadn't noticed before, it seems.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/25/2019 - 10:20:49
Richard, I don't remember the Post Office Bus. It had to be prior to the summer of 1962 because I was a summer sub at the Chatham Post Office in '62, '63 and '64. Mail service was better then. We had 2 deliveries every day to downtown businesses. One in the morning and another about 4PM. I do know that mail was sorted on a train headed for the South Postal Annex in Boston at that time.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/25/2019 - 09:31:13
So sorry to hear about the inhumanity-to-man situation in Chatham. The audacity to be obnoxious to service people fixing a problem over which they have no control!!! Nobody wants to be without power but you better believe that if you had to fix it'd be without a LOT LONGER! What is wrong with people!!!???!!!???
USA - Thu 07/25/2019 - 09:26:09
Just got power back. Sorry to see on CPD Facebook page citizens were being horrible to these poor guys that have worked nonstop since yesterday afternoon trying to restore power - demanding their power be restored. It must be pretty bad when the Police have to ask folks to be civil to these guys. Nothing like a tornado inconveniencing our summer vacationers. SMH.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/24/2019 - 19:57:28
She might have had a message to send us.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/24/2019 - 18:56:23
act of God...???
USA - Wed 07/24/2019 - 18:17:35
Well, it happened again, as predicted.
Strong winds took down trees that took down power lines.
Trimming trees on one side of the road near power lines doesn't do diddley for the really tall trees that are in range to fall on wires across the road. Homeowners and businesses who allow their trees to get tall enough to fall on adjacent wires are the ones to blame, not Eversource. For example, the large tree that was on the Chatham Methodist Church property and fell on wires above Main Street.

Should the Trustees of the Church be held responsible?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/24/2019 - 17:39:46
While cohoggers may indeed be good info, if you're into that kind of thing, the best info about tides is obtained from les quahoggeurs.


USA - Tue 07/23/2019 - 20:52:06
The best info would be cohoggers that might have worked that area. Like brother Bob Ryder. I can't imagine there is very much difference. Inches maybe. Maybe a visit by you to observe and compare for yourself would work.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/22/2019 - 19:10:34
Can anyone tell me the tide difference from Stage Harbor and the bridge on Bridge street? The tide charts only list Stage Harbor.

In other words if dead low is 12 noon at Stage harbor, what time is dead low just North or under the bridge.

Is their a tide chart that shows tides for Mill Pond anywhere on the net?

Thanks in advance.

Bill P <>
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/22/2019 - 16:55:23
Does anyone remember when the Post Office Bus used to come through all the Cape Cod towns, picking up mail and delivering it to the local Post Offices? With postal clerks sorting the mail as the bus moved on?
Now, things get sent to a sorting faciity off Cape and then sent back. Works for them I guess.
Being able to send a letter across this country for less than 60 cents is still a bargain.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/21/2019 - 19:53:02
Before that, it was the Post Office.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/20/2019 - 15:46:40
If memory serves, Mark, Fore & Strike used to have a store next to the Candy Manor across the street from the Mayflower -- today it is called Island Pursuit.
EHarwich, MA USA - Sat 07/20/2019 - 14:25:46
Barbara, for a period of years we had 5 food markets in Chatham. Four were down town with The First National, Atwood's, Roy Bearse's and The A & P. Rupert's Market was in West Chatham and did quite well. Ben, the Mark, Fore and Strike type store near the Sou'wester was Burke, Taylor, run by Quentin Burke, who was a neighbor of the Muldowney's. I still don't know how Chatham supported 5 grocery stores and 12 gas stations.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/19/2019 - 17:06:56
The Eastham/Orleans "heads" seem to be a little smaller than in the past, but still bite as soon as they land.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/18/2019 - 13:03:35
When growing up, green-heads were part of the Chatham summer landscape. It was inevitable that at least one green-head would be in the car coming home from the beach. Naturally, complete chaos ensued until we could get it out!!! Interesting to learn their numbers have cycled over the years.
USA - Thu 07/18/2019 - 10:31:53
Bob, I thought we had a little break from the Green Heads last year, but you're right they're back this year with a vengeance
Tony Murphy
USA - Thu 07/18/2019 - 08:27:48
A&P at bottom of Main St. was one of my favorites. Always smelled of ground coffee and they sold the best toaster corn muffins in the world. Have never found anything like them. If memory serves, Bearse's on Main made some awesome deli sandwiches.
USA - Tue 07/16/2019 - 10:14:29
What a great outcome, to think I was there when they first started dating - so glad we share these Chatham
memories, Wayne you made my day - should you ever see Bev please tell her

Ben H
USA - Mon 07/15/2019 - 20:02:03
Tony, I was down near Stage Harbor this morning and was attacked by Greenhead Flies that seemed to be the size of June bugs! Perhaps Mother Nature is having fun with us?
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/15/2019 - 16:57:13
Some years ago, Ron was at the Fish Pier with Bev. He had some serious memory issues then, but he rattled off the serial number of his issued M-1 to me without hesitation.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/15/2019 - 12:36:42
Ben, It worked quite well. Ron and Bev were happily married for 54 years until Ron passed in 2011. They have 2 fine sons Glen and Mark and for years Ron took Bev to Pates every Friday night, in season.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/15/2019 - 10:03:14
Thanks Wayne please tell her that although I had a tremendous crush on her, I could tell she was more interested in a young ex USMC guy, Ron McVickar, who also showed up that summer. Great guy wonder how that all worked out
Ben H
USA - Sun 07/14/2019 - 23:09:12
It seems like there are a few more lightning bugs but not one June bug this year. I think It's the lawn chemicals
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Sun 07/14/2019 - 20:49:26
Ben, Larry, Ruth, and Donald Wormwood are indeed gone but Beverly is very much alive She is a wonderful lady and living in an assisted living place in No. Chatham.I use to see her more when my Mother was there, I should stop by.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/14/2019 - 20:43:10
Don't forget Roy Bearse's in West Chatham - I worked there for Phil Guild. That same summer, Larry Wormwood opened Larry's PX next door so I got great frappes and burgers for lunch really loved that whole family guess they're all gone now - Jane Harding was a favorite customer along with Nancy Eldredge's mother - there was a Mark Fore Strike type store across the street next to Souwester where Susie Muldowney worked - that was another attraction - On occasion, Roy would ask that I drop off an envelope (the day's receipts) on my way home - I didn't make the connection then but those were usually the nights when the Taunton Dog track was running - the next summer Rod MacDonald joined the police force and that became a whole new experience as he learned to write tickets
Ben H
USA - Sun 07/14/2019 - 19:47:14
Yes, I forgot Roy Bearse's. Eddie Baker did odd jobs for my Grandmother Wheeler as well as delivering groceries.
Barbara: Earle Hunt's Funeral Home number was ONE, correct?

Dave and Alice Ryder's # was 449R. I was admonished not to use the phone, so when Earle moved his operation to the house next door, (Captain Oscar Nickerson's old place) Verne Hunt and I rigged up a line from one roof to another. It was one step above two tin cans with string stretched tightly between.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/14/2019 - 17:15:02
There was also Roy Bearses on Main Street.. Both Beares and Atwood store delivered and I can remember using the paper bag to add up the prices. Eddie Baker at Atwood's and Phil Guild at Bearses. No adding machine for them. Imagine, four grocery stores in such a small town. As a telephone operator in the late fifties, some people never learned the number they just asked for the store by name.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Sun 07/14/2019 - 10:00:04
Who remembers the Atwwod Store, the First National and the A&P ? Atwoods is now a ducky store I guess, the First National building is partly the Yellow Umbrella, and the first of the former A&P stores in Chatham is Ben Franklin.
The best of these, for old persons, was the Atwood store, with Eddie Baker making deliveries. He used to deliver groceries to my grandmother Mary A. Gould Wheeler on School Street. She had no car, but must have had a phone to place her order.
She lived with us on Old Harbor Road in the winter. Her former home is still there, awaiting some new sills, etc. I think that house might have been built in the late 1700's.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/13/2019 - 17:41:02
Does anyone know how long it lasted as an A&P? I worked for S&S when I was in high school in the 70's. For some reason I'm thinking the A&P didn't last too long there. . ??
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/12/2019 - 08:13:14
Judy, I think it changed hands in the very early 90s because the company I worked for closed and S&S was hiring for the new store in East Harwich.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/12/2019 - 08:07:19
Jill - I had totally forgotten that! My grandparents sold the land to them. How long was it an A&P? I remember people saying how ridiculous it was to have two grocery stores in town and how it would never last.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/12/2019 - 06:01:57
The A&P in West Chatham was originally built in the early 1970s by Stop&Shop. When they built the store in East Harwich, they sold the building to A&P.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/12/2019 - 03:15:56
C. Farms has taken their cue from Stop and Shop, who will buy a large piece of property and then put in the deed that no groceries, etc can be sold from that site. Like Peter Staggs empty car lot in East Harwich, and the vacant Tee-Time golf driving range in Eastham. They totally must fear Market Basket.
Maybe that is why, back in the 60's, the A&P grocery store chain built a second store in West Chatham. Must have been to prevent any other chain from offering competition. Now, both A&P stores are gone. One is the Village Market, the other Ocean State Job Lot.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/11/2019 - 17:07:32
Great article in Chronicle today by Steve Lyons re the old Cumberland Farms at the traffic lights. It goes into detail as to how Cumberland Farms is holding the Town hostage by dictating who it can be sold to and what exactly can be sold there.. Some fantastic ideas as to how to remedy the situation. Time for Town leaders to put some starch in their shirts and do something about this major eyesore.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/10/2019 - 15:46:01
Yes, Richard Gould Ryder, I am indeed related to Roland James. He is/was (never quite sure how to refer to someone once they're deceased) my uncle. I am the daughter of his brother Howard who was married to Trudy. I believe you and I met once at the Atwood House a few years ago when I think you and Timmy Pennypacker gave a talk.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/09/2019 - 10:30:39
How lucky are we to live in this beautiful place? Could not have asked for a better holiday weekend. Just sad that the town is so crowded that none of us can venture very far. Beaches just gorgeous today after a lot of folks keft
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/07/2019 - 18:29:56
Let's see Jill:
Yes, the land has risen a little .
You could be related to the James man in the Brown-James-Buck VFW lineage. So many WWII men gave so much, just by being prepared to die for this country. Those men and women are the real veterans to be honored.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/07/2019 - 17:34:02
Well, that might elevate us a bit higher than sea level.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/07/2019 - 17:22:05
Phew! Went to Chatham on the 5th to get some sand-free steamers at the Fish Pier. Seemed to me that the trip encountered much heavier traffic around Town than some earlier years at this time. Looking at Google traffic maps Saturday and today, the Mid Cape traffic was very heavy heading off-Cape.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/07/2019 - 16:36:16
Happy 4th of July to all.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/04/2019 - 11:37:07
Barry- cannon was heard loud and clear over hear on Stony Hill!
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/04/2019 - 06:01:51
Can't wait - might get up early just to hear the cannon - great way to kick off the Fourth - Have a great Chatham parade and celebration
Ben H
USA - Wed 07/03/2019 - 21:45:50
Ben H., are you ready for 2 a.m. tomorrow?
Barry + Sylvia Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/03/2019 - 17:52:51
Wayside owners deny any knowledge of sale to CBI. When the current owner took over, it was falling apart and vermin infested. It looks a lot better now.
Tom <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/02/2019 - 12:29:33
Years ago Dick Kelsey (Jr) used to stay at a couple of cottages owned by a friend, on the Mill Pond just down from Dunbar's. I always had the fortune of staying with them weekends. Cooper and I would load ourselves into his skiff, motor over into the little Mill Pond, tie up and hoof it up to the Mayflower for penny candy. Never had a bad time down on the Mill Pond.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 23:02:49
Many locals refuse to go into the Mayflower anymore. Nearly all of my friends in high school worked for the Wards at one time or another. Some of us used to go in and hang out in the stock room with our friends on their breaks and Leslie never seemed to mind so long as we didn't disrupt business. On the 4th of July we would all be up on the roof to watch the parade and always had the best vantage point. That store is a shell of its former self. Nothing but another tourist junk store.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 22:56:08
Richard - Absolutely correct! I forgot about Havens! Sad to see these places being ruined. The Mayflower Shop just kills me with it's hatchet job. I used to love going in there and shopping in the book and magazine section. Little kids were always so cute in there running around the toy area. I will never set foot in there again. Same with the Wayside - another hatchet job with crappy food. I'm sure folks will disagree with me; however my opinion - just awful.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 17:50:18
In my humble opinion, the Wayside Inn has never been the same since the Havens sold it.

As far as the Fish Pier job is concerned, whenever I visited there in 2019, the contractor seemed to be more concerned with tidying things up rather than "gettin' it done." There is a place for each.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 17:31:05
It's never been the same since Hickey's sold it.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 15:03:42
Manager at CBI told me they are buying the Wayside Inn after the season.
Squires been sold now the Wayside. Hope things don't change too much.
1st time post but thought important.

Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 12:00:17
I was informed that with Mr. Myers not being a Chatham resident he cannot violate the Open Meeting laws. I am sorry for my error. I would like to know why he found the need to approach the podium after the meeting was called to an end. He had documentation in his hand that he was not supposed to have - handed to him by a CRC member. He kept speaking and refused to step down. He wanted a quorum to listen to his babble. There is something not quite right with an individual that spends his days writing letter after letter after letter complaining about something. Makes you wonder who he's working for. After Mr. Taylor approached the podium and asked him nicely to stop speaking several times - Myers swatted him. Then Seth raised his voice. If someone swatted me at a public hearing I'd do more than raise my voice. Myers then knew he was in the wrong and ran to the police station to report that Mr. Taylor was disruptive. Between Mr. Myers disrupting this committee non stop, the debacle with the mess in West Chatham, and the horrendous Fish Pier situation it makes you wonder who is running the show. No comments to date from our Town Manager. All of this is unacceptable and needs to be dealt with.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/29/2019 - 11:31:23
Kind of pathetic someone would post anonymously and not have a clue what happened at that meeting. I find it more than ironic that Mr Myers went up to the podium after the Chairman called an end to the meeting. Myers is not a Chatham resident and he was in clear violation of an open meeting law once the meeting was canceled. Sour grapes? Then he runs to the police station to file a complaint? C'mon folks - get a grip as to what is really going on in this Town.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/28/2019 - 22:00:01
The last post made by someone who chose to use a moniker (Anon) as signature in clear violation of the published site rules WILL be deleted as soon as I have time to do so. It's the lack of a personal signature that I have an issue with.
UPDATE 07/01/19: "Anon" post has now been deleted!

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/28/2019 - 14:48:13
Good stuff Richard - I remember flying out of Quonset Pt, RI in the winter and the most important item on the check list was "Pitot heat on" - if the pitot static tube on an aircraft ices over, you lose altitude and airspeed indicators so if not visual you are "toast" - must rely on secondary instruments, a critical situation - many private aircraft have been lost due to pitot static tube problems (this might bring Alan out of retirement as he has knowledge in this area)
Ben H
USA - Thu 06/27/2019 - 21:52:11
Look at Dwyer Series Mark II Wind Speed Indicator, 0 to 80mph on Amazon to see the type of gauge we had at North Beach.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/26/2019 - 09:55:43
One winter night, BIL Bob Petrus and I watched a maximum wind gust of about 72 mph on that type of anemometer. Enough to blow down the flag pole at the Tom Haley Camp.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/25/2019 - 19:48:02
Earle's place, across from the Cow Yard, was called Puddleby. He also invented a wind speed gauge, which showed the direction as well. Don't know how accurate it was, but basically it was a small piece of metal suspended under a marked gauge. It didn't record the wind speed - you'd have to watch the thing swing to the force of the wind. The direction was as accurate as any other weathervane.
On a camp or two at North Beach, we had anemometers that had a tinted red liquid that showed, on a scale, the windspeed. The sensor was a Pitot tube, attached to the roof or close to that.

(Look up Pitot tubes in your Funk and Wagnalls, or Google.)

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/25/2019 - 17:34:54
I visited Earle Hiscock several times to try his coffee from a bag. Earle used Mortensen's Coffee. I don't know if it still exists. He wanted my father to buy Kip stock. They never bought any. The stock certificates are collector's items. He also invented a radical sailboat which had the sail hung like those on a viking ship. It went incredible fast downwind, but a downwind docking threatened the life of anyone in the boat. I went sailing with him and no matter what Earle did, we kept crashing into the dock in Crow's Pond. Earle was an amazing character. He claimed that during WWII, the US Navy tested lots of sailors to see how they could handle being in the water for extended periods of time. He claimed that he, Earle Hiscock, was the most able to stand extended periods in water of all sailors in the US Navy. He claimed they told him he had a body type close to that of a seal. An incredible charachter.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/24/2019 - 19:04:55
Richard Hiscock's father, Earl, was a true Chatham entrepreneur - he created KIPP coffee in the '50s and had everything right except the bag or container (kept tinkering with a coffee bag like a tea bag) - definitely was the predecessor of KEURIG coffee maker. Another memorable Chatham character - was it Alice Hiscock or Dottie Bushnell who used to smoke a pipe?
Ben H
USA - Wed 06/19/2019 - 20:16:39
Richard Ryder, Chatham is more than just a preponderance of people with plenty of $$. There are plenty of people here who work hard for the few $$ That they earn and I am sure you can find a few characters hanging around somewhere
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Wed 06/19/2019 - 19:58:36
Richard Ryder, Chatham is more than just a preponderance of people with plenty of $$. There are plenty of people here who work hard for the few $$ That they earn and I am sure you can find a few characters hanging around somewhere
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Wed 06/19/2019 - 19:48:55
Been in touch with Richard Hiscock, who tells me it was given to him by CG Chief Jack Downey. It must have resided at Chatham Station for many years. Thanks to Bob and John for your contact hints.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/19/2019 - 17:12:58
Google Search led me to which seems to be his web site, and possible phone nbr of 802-877-2727 or 802-877-2492.
J. Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/19/2019 - 09:53:13
R H is in Barre Vermont. Last I knew he was still involved in SOLAS (Safety of life at sea.) Don't have a specific address.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/19/2019 - 08:51:22
Some years ago, Richard Hiscock, formerly of Chatham, donated a kapok life jacket from the Pendleton to the Orleans Historical Society. Does anyone on this site know how to contact him?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/18/2019 - 17:52:10
Richard, they are still there and very visible from Rt.

Barry + Sylvia Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/17/2019 - 21:00:34
Just for folks who may not know the story, back in 1957, there was a new gift shop opening in Yarmouth, on Route 28. The Theme was that this guy wandered from one island to another, trading things. I was hired to look like The Barefoot Trader. They dressed me up in Bermuda shorts, with a bamboo stick, a sunhat, and a bag of stuff slung from the stick. I was asked to walk in wet cement to make footprints on the walkway leading up to the entrance. I had larger feet than most. The cement didn't harden as fast as they thought it might, so instead of paying me $20.00, I got $25.00. This was 1957.
To give relevance, I bought a 1940 V-8 Ford Coupe in Orleans in 1959 for $50.00! (Should have kept it.)

I guess the foot prints are still there. Last I knew, the place was an outlet for discounted shoes.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/17/2019 - 19:29:13
Dan, we went by there the other day and was tempted to stop and walk in Dick's foot steps!!!
Barry + Sylvia Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/17/2019 - 17:27:43
None of them have even heard of the Barefoot Trader, Richard
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/16/2019 - 22:00:54
Slim didn't have a hydraulic lift, only a creeper to get under cars he serviced. Got to give him credit. He was certainly a character.
The Town of Chatham had MANY characters back then. Now, their lot has been diminished. it is just a preponderance of people with serious $$, who don't seem to have any sense of the history of the Town. Guess it works for them.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/16/2019 - 19:29:30
Richard. I think you are right. I always did get those two mixed up! Thanks
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/16/2019 - 09:51:47
Most of the time, Slim would just spit on the sticker before putting it on the windshield on an angle
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/15/2019 - 23:49:50
For Bob Ryder and Bob Fishback of the Chatham Marconi Maritime Museum: The Orleans Police Department is looking for a tube type radio from the 40-50's to put inside their 1946 Chevy Cruiser. Doesn't have to be working.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/15/2019 - 17:27:44
Fred Stapleton had a small engine repair shop, just down the street from Sabin (Slim )Hutchins "Wreck and Ruin Garage", aka Poverty Flats.

Was it Slim's that you might be referring to? Slim did the very basic car inspections, for sure. First year rounder I ever saw that wore Bermuda shorts to work.

Fred was known to some of us as "Fred There," as he used There in his conversations a LOT.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/15/2019 - 17:21:03
Judy - There are four seasons on Cape Cod: Fall, Winter, March and No-Left-Turn. The latter season is indeed here. June 21 just denotes a coincidental celestial event.
Bob F. <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/15/2019 - 14:05:38
For most of our generation, our first exposure to the Fire Dept were tours for us in the Elementary School or Scouting visits. He would explain how things worked and give hands on demonstrations. Probably some of us made the decision to join the Dept due to him.
Here is a memory for Dan. Remember going to Stapletons Garage in North Chatham to get the car inspected? They had a device on the desk that was a roller that sat part way in a tray of water. He would give the roller a spin and gently hold the sticker on it to get it wet, then put it on the windshield. High tech for the times! Fun for a kid to watch!!

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/15/2019 - 09:48:36
Hey that's wonderful news about Ivan Bassett,as I wrote in my nomination (along with many others I'm sure), Ivan made many trips to CCH transporting my mother in his ambulance but the best part was he would then continue to check in with her. Sometimes life's really good guys get recognized and this is one of those times. Melissa we all get it and agree with you but the guy has a protector who defends anything he posts no matter how disparaging or irrelevant so don't let it get to you just accept it and keep up posting the fun stuff.Sometimes I get up early just to tune in John Whelan and Ameican Pie because it's a great way to relate to the Cape and Chatham in the '50's.
Ben H
USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 20:16:35
Can't think of a more deserving person than Ivan Bassett to be the Grand Marshal. I remember him as a janitor at the Chatham school, as well as his monitoring what kids threw away that they wouldn't/couldn't eat in the CHS cafeteria. I think he was also an original member of the Chatham Fire Department.
Someone should do an interview with him about the first Rescue Truck that Chatham FD had.
Oxygen and a stretcher.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 18:00:37
It's been such an odd spring with the weather and rain, etc. but boy - you can tell summer is here by the roads and the amount of people at Stop & Shop this afternoon! Very few parking spots at 2:30! Kind of nice to know at some point we'll have the lazy, hazy days of summer!
USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 17:31:28
I believe Ivan Bassett will be the parade's Grand Marshall
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 16:51:54
Melissa is correct in that I also can't recall anyone here disrespectful of military but just that on some occasions, nobody has any comments related personally to it. So don't confuse lack of postings with disrespect, ok?
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 12:13:05
"Do you want to talk about subjects related to Chatham, MA?
Discuss history, places, people or events, ask/answer questions, or anything else connected to past or present Chatham here."

This is the first statement on the Chat-M-Room site.

Having been an occasional Chatter over the years, I feel there is not one person here who disrespects vet service, D-Day or other. Pride of military service is frequently THE topic of a very long thread.
Many of us are wash-a-shores (not native Chathamites) but grew up loving the times we could be there, embracing Chatham's unique character and feeling embraced in return. One SHOULD be proud of family and roots, even when different from the "prevailing" one, but not disparaging of others whose come together in conversation and share long-past experiences. Current events are in-one's-face, unavoidable and will be discussed...discarded memories...they fade forever. IMHO/thanks for listening.

USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 09:38:34
Well, understand the room is on a roll, so Holier than Thou thought he would contribute. I was thinking of the Movie-Saving Private Ryan and more specifically platoon leader Capt. Miller (the English teacher from Pa) and somehow relating he to his chat room.
For example, a third grade student came up and asked me Mr. W. ,why did they call it DDay? Couldn't answer that question, so I had to do as others do on this site and google the question. The answer, it was "Thee Day." Funny though, I did not see any mention or Tribute to DDay here, but then again, its Chatham oriented, so why would you.

Mention of July 4 was made and even the parade. Is it not the case that this year's parade has some focus towards vets? Yes, I plan on being there, but out on the curbside saluting just as most others will, perhaps I can also salute to cannon as well, even if I am not born and bread from Chatham.

But indeed I do completely understand where the folks at this site are "comimg from" with this thought, "the world is so empty if one thinks only of Mountains, Rivers and Cities, but to know someone who thinks and feels with us and who though distant, is close to us in spirit makes the earth great with the folks we were closely associated with, fondly appreciated." (yes, I stole this from a Jr. English Class and it's a partial quote from Goethe)

In then, in the school today for the 5th and 6th graders, it is "Heritage Day" where all are considered from any background of life, not just "Chathamites" which this site seems to project.

I guess I do see things with a different set of eyes even though I did not come from Chatham, you can bet I am proud of my heritage and just as where you folks came from, my father worked 3 jobs to keep the family together.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/14/2019 - 07:20:13
This room is on a roll working up to Barry and Sylvia's cannon announcing the Fourth - who was voted Grand Marshal for the parade? Remember Donnie Nick and his John Deere tractor or going way back the post parade activities at Veterans Field - hope all is still small town Chatham with all the loyalty and tradition
Ben H
USA - Thu 06/13/2019 - 19:51:26
My first and only restaurant work was a summer job in Chatham. It was more years ago that I care to admit but I don't think cigarette ashes weren't much of a concern back then. Interestingly, the chef/cook smoked while working and while I DID wonder about the long ashes, I NEVER saw them fall into the food. I think it was an art.
USA - Thu 06/13/2019 - 08:23:31
I was convinced that it was "Hail Mary, full of grapes. Blessed is the fruit of thy wounded teacup".
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/12/2019 - 22:22:33
Also Ruth W. on the other side of the pass-through. That ash got pretty long some mornings dangling over your eggs.
USA - Wed 06/12/2019 - 22:14:37
I know there are lurkers out there who knew of "Sack's" habit of smoking a cigarette while cooking hamburgers. He might say, "Well, the ashes are sterile".
They did serve Hendirie's Ice Cream, with multiple flavors. Real handy for a hungry kid, as I was. Still am ! (Did work in the Hendrie's Ice Cream plant in Milton, MA one summer. )

That is another story that has no connection to Chatham.

In the Ryder home, ice cream was a favorite treat for birthdays, etc. We didn't have any way to keep ice cream, so off to the drug store someone would go to buy a quart of the hand dipped favorite flavor of the birthday person.
Served six.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/12/2019 - 17:53:06
Sad to read of JoAnn Pratt's passing. Her parents and brother Hillard lived diagonally across Old Harbor Road from Captain Oscar Nickerson's. Right up the road from the Ryders. Her Dad was the operator of the Sad Sack Snack Shack!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/12/2019 - 09:59:15
I knew a little boy that pronounced truck the same way and LOVED them! His parents would avoid the word as much as possible. Others would, of course, encourage it! He says it fine now.
USA - Mon 06/10/2019 - 08:38:05
Alice It wasn't until I was 8 years old that I realized the Lord's prayer was "Hallowed be thy name" and not "Hallowell be thy name" - another one, we had a kindergarten car pool and one little guy could not pronounce the letters TR instead they came out as F (some sort of a lisp dyslexia thing)so I can remember more than once the mother who was driving cringing when a truck went by and little johnny would yell out all excited "look at that big _uck" No Johnny it's a truck and he'd reply indignantly "that's what I said, _uck"
Ben H
USA - Sun 06/09/2019 - 20:16:33
I served in Vietnam with a Navy Neurosurgeon from New Orleans. He told me of an elderly male patient complaining of "Screaming Mighty Jesus". He was referring to Spinal Meningitis.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/09/2019 - 17:22:28
We were shooting rats at the dump till the early 70s. There were so many you could go in the daytime and have lots of fun with a 22 rifle.
Here is something new. Sometimes people come up with names for things that seem to make more sense than the correct name. We know a little girl who was almost 4 years old. She wanted "hand sanitizer" but told her mother she wanted "hannitizer" Worked for her. Another one, many years ago we stopped in to see Charlie Matthews. He sadly told us he had "that old timers disease" instead of Alzheimers' Disease. Anybody else have examples?

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/09/2019 - 14:07:42
I want that tee shirt!!!!!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 06/08/2019 - 09:21:06
Nice job Michael! I often think of UTOPIA and you folks that lived in it. Thank you for the wonderful was, and probably still is, a great neighborhood.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/08/2019 - 07:14:50
Michael Jacobs that was the post of the year, an "all timer" - you captured the spirit of Chatham perfectly and all in such a positive,fun yet nostalgic way - more in the future please,the old timers are applauding from their seats up in heaven
Ben H
USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 19:49:43
When shooting rats at the Chatham Dump, after dark, you'd need a flashlight taped to the barrel of the gun. I had access to either a 12 gauge shotgun or a 22 caliber single shot rifle. The shotgun was way too much power, and the shells were costly. 22 shells were much more affordable. Can't say my aim was improved with this type of event. It it any wonder that some of us Chatham boys had trouble being understood by the Chatham and Harwich girls?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 17:55:54
I would buy a T-Shirt with that logo. Hope someone does it.
Dick Fulcher <>
USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 15:00:28
" can leave Chatham but Chatham never leaves you." So true. Also reminds me of a Thomas Wolfe title.
USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 11:24:39
OMG!!! "You can leave Chatham but Chatham never leaves you." I want that on a T-shirt, a coffee mug, a bumper an addition just below the ENTERING CHATHAM sign! What a terrific mantra.
USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 11:12:13
Never heard of this growing up but just saw an episode of Andy Griffith talking about rat hunts at the dump! It was trendy!
USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 08:27:43
I have some regrets in life but growing up in Chatham isint one of them..Swimming lessons in oyster pond and yes walking to hojos for ice cream afterwards..Digging clams down by Morris Island and hauling them by bike on my handle bars to market.It didint take long to save up for my 66 chevy wasint pretty but got me around.Sheet metal replaced the rotted out floir boards.Duck hunting out at Stetsons cove.Walks in the cedar swamp litterally my back yard.Working at Chatham cinema at 16..Blue fishing and the fun that ensued.Fire works in Veterans field..The Cape cod baseball league that included legends like Fred Lynn and carl Yaz..Four wheel driving on North Beach and trips to monomy.I remember the movie Jaws and now its a reality on the Cape.The residents of Chatham are unique just like the town itself.I respect those who persevered all these years and still fight to this day to preserve Chatham.I am reminded of my own mortality when I learn another local resident..a friend,has passed..I can honestly say you can leave Chatham but Chatham never leaves you.To all those lucky enough to understand,We were,and are blessed because of it.Best wishes..Chatham Strong!
Michael Jacobs <>
Sarasota, FL USA - Fri 06/07/2019 - 08:24:47
Went to the Dump in daylight to deposit trash (very little plastic or compostable stuff), went back as teenagers to shoot rats (large type) at night.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/06/2019 - 17:51:01
Alice, that is reaching back there. Probably not to many can remember that. It was a happening.that is when everyone went to the dump.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/06/2019 - 17:23:08
Jared, you got most but not all of the stanzas, there are a few missing. Who remembers Charlie Robie when he took care of the dump He kept a pretty big herd of pigs that rooted in the trash and roamed freely around the area. We remember them crossing Rt 28 and stopping traffic. They would cross to wallow in the mud at the headwaters of Cockle cove. It was pretty funny seeing a mother and 8 or 10 little piglets running along with her but you had to be careful of the boar he kept for breeding. Had to stay away from him.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/06/2019 - 09:18:11
And on a lighter note, here is a poem told to me by Cooper Kelsey in Seaside Cemetery when we were in junior high, told to him by his dad, Dick, who first heard it when he was a student at UNH. I'm sure someone here has heard this or some variation of it.

Ephraim Bearse was the builder of boats who lived on the Chatham cliffs
Sarah Phinney, although she was skinny, lived with him most of her life
Now when Sarah died on the Orleans side, a coffin Ephraim must make
So he got Sailor Allen to fetch him a gallon, a day or two sure it would take
Well he worked all day and he worked all night, and he tipped up that gallon quite often
And I'll be a son of a gun, that when he was done, there wasn't a centerboard built in that coffin!

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/05/2019 - 19:55:02
Someone mentioned earlier about many of the regulars of this chat room who are now gone. I was fortunate to attend about four of the Chat room parties. I think about the ones who are gone now; Ben T and Marilyn, Donny and Mary, Reggie and Gail, Jim and Jane, Tim Pennypacker, Dick Cunningham, Carl Olson etc. Since I have found little in common with my own generation, I have always been honored to know these folks and listen to their stories. When I was a real little guy, my dad drove for Donny Nick and Mom worked at Castaways with Mary, and I got to spend a lot of time at the Mill Hill Farm. On the weekends, I always went to the dump with Dad (a true Yankee trait not lost on me) and afterwards would usually mean a visit with Walter and Hazel Young, Ralphie Nick, or a stop into my Uncle Dennis' metal shop to see what he and Dad could barter that they hadn't already bartered before. Dad knew that I always had an admiration and interest in "the way things were" and would use the dump trip to take me to see who knows what, perhaps the old Hawes House or the remains of the Naval Air Station. Bumping into Sonny Mallowes in Stage Harbor fog, flying with Dick Kelsey, or watching Reggie Nick do an impression of Freddie Allen right in front of the murals that he himself posed for are some of my greatest memories and things I won't forget. It is a privilege to have known all of these people in this town during my childhood and to read the many stories told on this site.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/05/2019 - 19:48:43
We think people get discouraged as Alan seems to have a comment on just about everything that gets posted here. He usually presents with a "Hollier than thou" or perhaps a "know it all" attitude and people do not want to open themselves to this. Just sayin.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/05/2019 - 10:50:08
Thanks Bruce I'll respond on here because I am having an ongoing exchange offline with John H who maintains that Alan Wirsul is not a disrupting presence in here and did not disparage Richard Ryder's memorial day military memories - I support the Ryder family and my memories of Dave and I too miss those no longer here - John H works very hard to be fair to everyone in here and maintain this site, I respect him for that but I hope he will continue to respect the original contributors and what this site meant to them
Ben H
USA - Tue 06/04/2019 - 22:42:16
To Ben H: I am a long time follower and occasional contributor here since 2001, and find I am generally aligned with your way of thinking on many subjects. I too miss the perspectives of Bruce Reddish, Tim Pennypacker, Carl Olson, and others who either have passed or otherwise moved on from this site. Please feel free to contact me offline at my email address to commiserate if you are so inclined. I know all things change but being an old ~~~~~~~~~ myself, I have a warm spot for days gone by and power and comfort of good memories. Btw, the ~~~~~~~~~ is mine, not John's!
Bruce <>
Harwich, MA USA - Tue 06/04/2019 - 21:08:28
Melissa and everyone-I tried to take a mulligan and clean things up but as you can read, the moderator will not delete my previous comments and unlike other social media, I as the poster am unable to edit or delete my own comments so I ask that you please consider my previous comments and exchanges with John H which remain here to be obsolete and no longer topical - I was baited into responding by another contributor's comments about Richard Ryder and his loyalty to our military which I considered to be unfair and certainly not justifiable. Like so many others who rarely participate anymore, I will now monitor the site and hope it returns to its "glory days"
Ben H
USA - Tue 06/04/2019 - 19:42:02
Everyone take a mulligan?
No matter the circumstances, those of you lucky enough to love Chatham in person are envied by those of us who cannot. Well, at least by me...

USA - Tue 06/04/2019 - 08:33:23
I hope you're right Danny. It's a nightmare. One can't even drive that area with coffee as it spills due to the unevenness of the road. I spoke to one of the Selectman the other day and was told how unhappy they are with the state going back on their word as to what was promised for landscaping. Things most definitely would have been better left alone. I hope all the proponents of this project are happy.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/04/2019 - 08:14:22
Talked to the Forman about the work in West Chatham today. He said they would be off the road by tomorrow afternoon. Still some work to do in Ocean State Job Lot and Larry's. He said they were going to try and smooth up some of the area's on the road.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/03/2019 - 21:02:02
Ben: I understand your concern but part of the reason why I posted some of that here was to (attempt to) clarify to other users as well why I react(ed) the way I did so that they may hopefully avoid similar issues, ok? And while we did have some conversation via other means, I thought it was important to document what happened since some may not be aware of the tilde substitution for certain words, most all of which are rude/profane/etc but there are a few others that I added as well.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/03/2019 - 20:13:56
The Old Harbor Station, previously on North Beach in Chatham, was closed by the Coast Guard about this time in 1944. The word is that 800 men from New England Coast Guard stations had been sent to England to practice operating landing craft in preparation for D-Day, June 6th. Therefore, local stations were short handed. The German submarine menace was pretty much not a problem by this time.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/03/2019 - 19:45:54
John would you consider removing or deleting the recent exchanges between the two of us? As far as I'm concerned, they contribute nothing to the room and leaving them up there is simply boring for the rest of the ChatM Room visitors and drives people away. In the future, we should take this type of conversation offline. Just a suggestion to clean things up. Thanks
Ben H
USA - Mon 06/03/2019 - 19:16:42
Ben, the specific problem is in how you agreed with Emily in the term you used (which I have in my filter list) because I don't want that here, and how you described his postings and my attitude towards it. Anyone who uses any words on that filter list intentionally should recognize that they have erred in that language. I want you and the Ryder's and Alan to continue to post here but I also want everyone to respect other users even if they totally disagree with them or their postings. And as I wrote in effect was, if you can't do that, then it's best to ignore the post.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 16:19:11
Hey John All I did was agree with Emily People are really tired of the back and forth involving Alan, myself, and the Ryders I did not intend to personally attack him simply asked that we go back to what this room used to be All the good stuff is on the Remember Chatham FB page these days I absolutely agree with you we need more young thoughts and input in here I really enjoy Melissa and others - 10 days until Chatham A's home opener
Ben H
USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 15:08:31
Susie, I graduated in 1953 with 18 of my classmates at the same auditorium as you with many, many attendees in the audience. It is kind of a blur now but I do remember reciting the honor essay and we all received humorous class gifts. Gerard Devlin gave out gifts to the girls but I cannot remember who gave to the boys. It was a wonderful, home town graduation which gave us great pride. To this day I pass by that old brick building and remember 12 years of joy.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 10:54:35
Nice to see that I can attend the High School graduation today in the comfort of my own home. Live streaming at 2 pm on school website.
When we graduated from CHS we also had live streaming - all of Chatham turned out! Major town event in Main Street school auditorium.(Memorial Auditorium?)
Would love to hear about other CHS
graduations here on the Chat-room.
Meanwhile, congratulations to all those graduating today!

Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 10:24:11
Going back to Emily's post- I think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when the Chatham Police Dept charges a resident a nickel per page for a report she filed! This goes beyond common sense. Don't our tax payer dollars pay for the paper and the administrative skills to file the report? Something's not right here.
USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 08:59:15
Just as a further aside to the last post, while the National Security Agency has not admitted to this fact, it has now becoming well known that they were hacked in 2017 and one of their most elite programs "Eternal Blue" and it has fallen into hands that are ransoming local Gov't for Cash (bit coin). US Gov't has an idea of who they are obviously (China, Iran, Russia), but not specifically.

Those Gov'ts that are being attached, have not sufficiently updated their systems. And again, anyone who might think that small towns like Chatham are immune from this type of thing, these are the kind of places where the culprits are attacking.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 08:19:34
Thanks John and moving back to Chatham and what some might think will not touch them. There are far more eyes out there reading this site than just the group that posts here.

It has been mentioned that Cape Cod towns have been strengthening their phone signals at the beaches (not sure if Chatham has been one of them), but if so, hope they have not been using or thinking about using Hauwei (the China communications company to do this with), as the Federal Gov't is in the process of banning this equipment.

Anyone thinking that this is crazy, there are tiny towns out in places lime Montana who have chosen to work with this supplier (a 30% less cost) and now have major decisions to make.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 08:10:31
One more thing: I believe that we've lost many more long time users/posters to death or illness than because of one newer user. There's at least a half dozen regulars that i can think of quickly who've passed on over the years and i miss them often here. We need some new YOUNGER users like Melissa to help offset that but i think some of them are spending more time on Facebook!
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 04:12:13
I thought that we (Alan, Ben H and myself) had come to an understanding/truce of how I want this site to be used and what is appropriate or not in regards to each other but it seems that Ben H is again attacking a fellow user by using a word that I have declared as offensive for this forum and that's why it was replaced with tildes.
At this point, Alan has as much rights as anyone to use this site because while his posts sometimes have been a bit off-tangent from intended topics, and have gotten less so over time, he's still being criticized by others and I think that's wrong. If you don't like what he writes, IGNORE IT and move on, ok?
And - I would much prefer to have Alan post something that, to him and me, relates to Chatham and/or Cape Cod than have nothing new here.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/02/2019 - 04:06:10
"Keep hoping the -------- might lose interest" Must have an authoritative and unwitting agent of dilution here. Some real class acts on this site.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/01/2019 - 18:13:44
Sorry, I do know how to spell Eldridge.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/01/2019 - 17:40:46
I will continue to add my Chatham related stories.
I wish there was a way to add photos for all to see. Some time ago, I bought a photo album of ca 1918 Chatham snapshots. I can't ID all the folks in the photos, but there are photos of two different US Navy patrol boats on the railways at Stage Harbor. John Whelan had seen this booklet. There are photos of Harvey and Ruby Bloomer as infants!
Maybe I should donate the book to the Chatham Historical Society and let them figure things out.

Just rereading Dana Eldriges book about his Monomoy adventures. He relates how he and his buddies tried to capture a mature great white shark, feeding just off the shore. This was in the 50's ! No seals around then.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/01/2019 - 17:38:41
Heads up info.! Today I had to pick up a police report. The dispatch officer handed me the paperwork and requested $.10 For the two pages I received. I looked at her with incredulity and fished around for a dime in my purse, thinking .......wait a work in a palace my taxes paid for which is mostly empty, and you charged me ten cents?? Sumtins.....WRONG HERE.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/01/2019 - 17:13:44
Right on Emily well said .. People especially the regulars are driven away from the site which used to be so much fun .. Keep hoping the ~~~~~~~~ might lose interest but he has found an outlet here for his rhetoric and a moderator with a heart of gold who allows it .. We just have to make the best of it I guess and continue to share Chatham related stories .. John Whelan and Gordon Pratt take note, Only 11 days until Chatham A's first home game of the season!
Ben H
USA - Sat 06/01/2019 - 15:50:48
Please can we get back to relevant old Chatham topics? These two guys need to duke it out in a different forum. It kills the discourse we all have loved for so many years, and neither of them live in Chatham! Today's CCTimes Real Estate supplement gave me a jolt. Plumb's house on Seaview St., was advertised as having enough land to build a guest house! Here we go.......this will NEVER be an ADU.....wake up folks!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/01/2019 - 12:48:36
This response is for Mr. Gould Ryder
I see myself as an ordinary guy finding strength to preserve and endure. Most vets I know are humble and have realized its the soldier and the soul in the boots that matters, with a focus of reaching down and lifting people up. i'm honored to have served and perhaps someday you will come to learn that indeed it is the light that shines in darkness and darkness will never extinguish it.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/30/2019 - 19:49:48
In retrospect, I know I have violated the rules of this site by not making my responses or input relevant to Chatham.
The one thing I can say relevant to Chatham is that I do have the printed teletype message given to my mother regarding the message I sent from the USS Intrepid regarding HM3 Richard Gauthier's funeral. Now that the Chatham Marconi Maritime Museum is in operation, I hope they would like to have the original printed message. One that came from one of their existing machines on display, so many years earlier.

CG36500 goes back in the water at Rock Harbor tomorrow morning!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/30/2019 - 19:23:33
...I too seek a Cape Cod boost and shall (gasp) reach back to one the is STILL there for the most part...walking down SHR on a lazy summer day. Cross Cross St. and slowly pass the last beautiful home on the left to see the wonderful expanse of Oyster Pond below. It's a still day. Just a slight breeze. The whiff of low tide reaches me and I take in the squishy, grassy edge where the dingys rest. I see a few bees buzzing the Queen Anne's lace, some honeysuckle woven in the shrubs. Families, most with little kids, have claimed their site for the afternoon. The tiny waves make the smallest gurgling sounds as they roll in. As a grown-up, this is no longer my childhood destination but a lifelong piece of personal history I will hold close always. May this vista remain. Thanks for listening...
USA - Thu 05/30/2019 - 10:43:23
Unfortunately, negative can be found a lot closer than nationally. The Chat-M-Room used to be a sanctuary of open discourse. The Chronicle used to be a fun and informational periodical. Now both (too)often document division. At risk of setting things in motion again, I offer up the following idea for consideration: change is inevitable and as humans consume more and more in a short-term mind-set, we will lose. While I accept change, I question the label: progress. We overtake habitats of other species, they seek new ways to survive, and now they are enemies. We exclude neighbors who can't or don't replicate our lifestyle and find it desirable...
USA - Thu 05/30/2019 - 10:40:59
Well, Richard, we certainly stirred that can of paint - I miss Carl and his quizzes on Chatham lore which always lightened up this room - what's the latest on Monomoy theater (sounded encouraging last I read) or any other Chatham Good News? Tired of all the national negative stuff, looking for a Cape Cod boost
Ben H
USA - Wed 05/29/2019 - 19:45:50
A Navy Mustang is a person who rises up through the ranks to become an officer.

One deceased friend was a fellow Hospital Corpsman aboard the USS intrepid, who gave his life trying to save two shipmates. He was posthumously awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for his sacrifice.

The other friend was a US Army Colonel, COL Richard Ellison, who was killed in a daylight ambush on a canal in South Vietnam. The same canal I would occasionally travel on. COL Ellison was the Kien Giang Province Senior Advisor and was who I reported to as a Navy Officer.
COL Ellison's name is on the Wall.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/29/2019 - 17:38:44
Maybe there are two Alan Wirsuls. I refer everyone to an entry made by one of them about folks going to Lake George, etc and many local shark warning brochures possibly being left over.
Alan, I did note by email to the present volunteer maintenance crew of the CG36500 how I hoped no one would have a Happy Memorial Day, but rather a somber remembrance day, as it was not a happy day for me to remember two men , friends of mine, who lost their lives supporting the VN war.
Are you at liberty to remind us of your military service?
Retired Navy Mustang

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/28/2019 - 17:45:56
Please go to this link for info on recycling latex paint:
Dates and locations to supplement Chatham's paint shed availability.

PFehlig <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/28/2019 - 17:40:23
The waving flag (which is a carryover from original site before me) appears on the top of the Town Common page which is normally the second page you might visit on the site as the Index page (which is the main entry page) has my cottage logo/link in that spot.
As as Ben's comment: I don't try to control anyone here, but just guide them to better ways to interact here -or- attempt to block them if they're really obnoxious as happened a couple of times.
I appreciate that Ben has tried to take the "ignore what offends" approach which is generally the best way to deal with some posts here.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/28/2019 - 09:30:19
When you first come to John's site, you see a waving flag. MSGT Roy Benavidez and the Nun's poem pays true meaning to the flag and the Hero's who never returned. I saw no one even make mention of Memorial Day on this site.

"Don't like 15 foot white sharks... Go where they are not" Anyone with any normal intelligence understands the "drift of this statement" and it is not pleasant, I think the response I provided was more than decent. Whether this comment was directed at myself or the tourists who might consider coming to Chatham, there is nothing to apologize for.

And as far as demeaning remarks are concerned, the record will show that if anyone has been demeaned on this site, it has been myself.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/28/2019 - 06:58:52
Very well stated Bob R. Many of us are with you. Alan showed up on here several years ago and created nothing but controversy because he always puts someone down as a part of his remarks. John H intervened but obviously can not control this guy. Out of respect for John H, I just let Alan "rant" - he is knowledgeable and makes good points but he always has to try to demean or hurt someone who might disagree with him. Cmon Alan it's Memorial Day, Richard is a veteran, apologize to him and lighten up in the future.
Ben H
USA - Mon 05/27/2019 - 21:06:22
Alan, go easy on my brother. This is not the place for unkind criticism.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/26/2019 - 08:39:45
Ultimately it will be the element of safety as to where people choose to swim and how it is provided! The balance of the below statement, not worth responding to.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/25/2019 - 23:10:48
Bumper sticker seen last year from Lake Michigan tourism advocates: "No Salt - No Sharks". I don't think there will be any fewer visitors to the Outer Cape this season. There might be even MORE , due to the publicity of the sharks vs seals.
Don't like 15 foot great white sharks where you swim or boogie board? Go where they are not.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/25/2019 - 19:11:21
Yea, I responded to the paint issue, however Chatham should be focused on far more important Gov't issues than paint. Take for instance the Shark issue that will be at the forefront and how it relates to tourism.

Spending the State's $11,000 for new shark warning signs and distributing educational shark brochures-10,000 of them. These actions are about equivalent to posting signs in the Bronx, NY; warning drug users of narcotics and giving them a pamphlet about their well being. Using state funds for a new all terrain vehicle, that's great for someone who gets bitten but is it not the objective to stay out of this condition to begin with. Spending fund money for Studies in how to handle the situation and worrying about legalities of the installation of equipment which might actually prevent a shark bite-If this is really a concern, could not someone develop some wording in these signs and literature that is being handed out? As long as sharks are in Chatham waters and the seal population grows, there stands more than the chance of something negative to happen. More and More Tourists will be heading to the big lakes-like Lake George as an example. Could one suddenly find out they have extras of these shark brochures?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/24/2019 - 22:23:46
FYI, this poem was written by a Nun and shared to us by a Medal of Honor soldier-MSgt Roy Benavidez, To all the men and woman who have gone before us, we will always be thinking of you. And to those protecting us now, like those on the USS Abraham Lincoln and so many others-God Speed. We especially remember my former neighbor, the first Woman Officer KIA in Iraq, 1st Lt Ashley Henderson Huff.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/24/2019 - 21:30:11
Memorial Day-The Flag
Hello, Remember me? Some people call me Old Glory, others call me the Star Spangled Banner. But whatever you they me, I'm your flag, the Flag of the United States of America. Something has been bothering me, so I thought I would talk it over with you because this is about me and you.
Not too long ago, people were lining up on both sides of the street, to see a parade go by and Naturally I was leading the parade, proudly waving in the breeze. And when your Daddy saw me coming, he would immediately remove his hat and place it over his left shoulder so that his right hand would be over his heart. And you, you you were standing there... right next to your Dad. You didn't have a hat and your little sister, not to be out done, was standing right next to you. Both of you had your right hand over your heart.
What has happened now? I do not feel as proud as I used to... I'm still the same o'ld flag. I see children around , playing, shouting they don't seem to know or care who I am or what I stand for. I saw an elderly gentlemen take his hat off, but when he saw others with their's on, he turned around and slowly walked away. Hey, I'm still the same old flag. A few stars have been added since those parades. A lot of Blood has been shed
Is it a sin to be patriotic any more? Have you forgotten who I am, what I stand for and where I have been? Anzio, Guadalcanal, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq. Take a good look one of these days at the memorial honor roll. All the names of all those that never came back, they gave their lives for this great nation to be free under God. When you salute me, you salute each and every one of them. Well, it won't be long now and I'll be coming down the street, leading the parade and proudly waving the breeze. So when you see me coming, stand up straight and salute me, and I will salute you by waving back!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/24/2019 - 21:20:01
It does seem a shame to wait until the Hazardous Waste Days come around to have perfectly good paint thrown away and become mixed gray/grey in a big container, then shipped off somewhere. I presume Chatham has these Collection Days, but why wait?.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/21/2019 - 18:07:36
So the questions seems to be: Why can't people get recycled paint at the paint shed anymore? A very good question because, since you can't, what will people DO with their old paint?? Where shall they dispose of it???? Hmmm.....
USA - Tue 05/21/2019 - 08:27:22
We seem to be getting off track re the paint shed. The posting was about All kinds of paint, there just happened to be some bottom paint there at the time. We have seen all kinds of folks looking for all kinds of paint. From the adult and child looking for enough to paint a birdhouse ; to someone looking for spray paint for a piece of metal yard furniture they just got at the swap shop to getting expensive mildew resistant paint for a single bath when they only need less than 2 quarts for their ceiling.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 18:13:13
Yes, copper bottom paint is by design toxic. Men and women who work on the CG36500 have the advantage of using Festool Sanders, which when the sander is turned on, the vacuum turns on. There is a two-step filtration system; the vacuum sucks dust through the sanding disc holes.
Great machines, provided by a grant from the Boston Marine Society, the oldest such Society in the world.
And yes, I have heard of red pepper being used.
To remove all of the red copper based paint on the CG36500, it will take some effort before we can go to the newer stuff.( Captain Bob Ryder did the last removal job.) We will tackle that
with needle guns next season.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 18:11:33
There are some excellent water based bottom paints now which are easy to apply and clean up is soap and water. Pettit Hydracoat is one. I've used it the last few years and it works great
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 16:21:31
Thank you Alan. The Some of the old timers used to add a little creosote to their bottom paint, claimed it worked very well. Others added ground red pepper to their paint. We did this one year with good results.[pepper that is]
Most people may not realize this but the Moderator has the right to bar the doors and order the police to stop people from leaving in order to keep a quorum so they can finish town meeting. We have been there when this was done but its been awhile.

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 09:33:12
About the subject of paint
Ablative red paint implies that the active ingredient is lead oxide which has been outlawed for at least 5 years now due to the high lead content. There is only one company in all of the USA who continues to produce and I guess with a waiver.

Most use Interlux products (the "blue cans") with copper which offers no improvement where the environment is concerned. And if you are involved with preparing your surface with sand paper, the dust coming off is brutal to the body. Protection is highly recommended!

Pettit (the green cans) actually calls out another ablative called "Econea"
which is organic and much safer, it has been on the market for about 5 years and yes it is more expensive, but it works without having to deal with copper.

The US Navy has been conducting studies with "Econea" to assist them with at least some of the copper used.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/19/2019 - 20:45:38
Most moderators use Town Meeting Time as their guide. Under TMT reconsideration can be brought up on any night of a town meeting that extends more than one night unless the town has an express rule against reconsiderations on other than the night the original motion is moved. Does Chatham have an express rule barring reconsideration? If so, then Amy is correct. If not, voter be warned.
USA - Sun 05/19/2019 - 13:11:14
Richard, Thanks for the offer but we have all we need. We know a lot of shell fishermen [and women] have been getting their boat and shed paint there for years. It just doesn't make any sense to us. There are a bunch of different metal units to collect clothes, some who only sell what they collect, not like the Salvation Army who have stores. Also, a group collects the glass returnable bottles to support their cause. Seems a shame that Chatham residents cant take a little paint.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/19/2019 - 11:19:03
We have some old red bottom paint (better part of a gallon) left over from earlier days of the CG36500. It is a brand and type we don't use anymore but would be fine for another, smaller slow moving vessel. Would need some serious stirring, We use a small propeller in an electric drill to get things mixed together again.

By the way, alll parking slots at the Lights were filled this morning at 1015 when I went by on my way to tend to the CG36500, safely ensconced in the CG Garage around the corner..

Belated Happy Birthday to Nancy Ryder Petrus, whose Bday was yesterday. I didn't forget, just was late in posting.

Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/18/2019 - 17:45:25
Soooo... We went to the dump, sorry, landfill, sorry, solid waste disposal, sorry, transfer station... recycling area????? and found we can no longer get paint from the paint shed. People have been getting paint from the shed for years, including very expensive paint for the bottom of boats. We thought we were supposed to recycle things but when we try to we are stopped by staff. Not staff fault, but the person in charge. Whats going on????
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/18/2019 - 08:35:55
The moderator did bring up electronic voting to see if there was any interest and sadly there wasn't. There are some interesting trains of thoughts here. Town Meeting is just so long and late, I wish there was better way to deal with it.
USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 20:54:48
I was 15 when I attended a Chatham Town Meeting, the same one that citizens voted to buy a new Huber Road Maintainer. I now own major parts of that machine !
Anyway, I am a very firm believer in the Town Meeting form of government. I would heartily recommend the use of electronic voting, as we here in Eastham have taken to. It moves things along smartly, and is not subject to voice votes which can be misinterpreted by the Moderator. People can vote privately and quickly without anyone else knowing how they voted. We got through a 30 plus article Warrant in one evening. Finished by 10 PM.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 19:45:08
I'd like to correct several misstatements set forth in recent posts. Selectman Dykens did not cut off the debate. The town meeting (those assembled) voted by a majority to cut off debate. He just made a motion to do so. And a motion for reconsideration can only be done on the same night the article was voted. Finally, look at the size of the warrant. How could that be reduced to a ballot? Further, no one would have the benefit of debate and education. I think town meeting is the last bastion of our democracy, where we the people vote on what happens in our town. Sometimes we win and sometimes we don't. Depends on your perspective. As for turn out, those who show up do win, just like at the ballot box. We once tried town meeting on a Saturday and people complained. We've tried town meeting at 6, 6:30, and 7. Someone will always be unhappy.
USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 16:37:56
I still think Town Meetings should be done away with and give voters a chance to vote on the issues on election day. More folks would vote this way than those who show up for Town Meetings. The other issue is one of common courtesy - folks "boo" those that voted when they don't agree with the results. Just another perspective.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 15:12:43
Town meetings are controlled by the moderator, not the selectmen. Having said that, anyone can move to end the discussion and a simple majority will decide the motion. Although a 4 minute rule was set out, it is still within the moderator's purview to allow a longer time. One thing that is always dangerous is a motion for reconsideration. A motion that fails on the first night of town meeting can be reconsidered on the second night. If those who defeated the motion on the first night fail to show up on the second, there is a likelihood that the reconsidered motion may pass.
USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 12:51:45
I flew from CA for this debacle? I am very disappointed in Selectman Dykens to arrogantly cut off debate on the ADU bylaw, while winking at Mrs. Halpern. This is not how a democracy works. The young folks in the bleachers will be shocked to discover that they will not be benefitted by 10 ADUs per year at the market rate. Our workforce and our schools will empty out. Old Chatham is gone. The new Chatham will rue these decisions when their McMansions are empty shells.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/14/2019 - 13:12:52
COA was voted down. Folks did not want a palace built in the woods. A new site selection of private and town owned property will be investigated for a new location. Interesting debate on the ADU's. Several of us saw what we perceived to be unethical behavior by a Selectman tonight. Folks are not happy. There was a healthy debate going back and forth about ADU's. Several folks were still waiting to speak; however one of the Selectman moved to cut the debate off - and those in favor of the ADU's loudly said "YES". To me, it seemed the majority of folks left to speak were not in favor of them; however, I could be mistaken. There were about 4-6 folks left on the floor that had been waiting quite some time to speak. I thought this was uncalled for. BTW - the ADU's passed - so now we have unenforceable "affordable" housing added to the mix. Folks were still talking about how this was not a democracy in action. The other interesting item - a motion was made at the beginning of the night to limit folks to 4 minutes to speak. The moderator and others allowed folks to go past that time limit. Again - democracy in action. I hope that soon, Town Meetings will be done away with and folks can vote on these articles. Too hard to get folks there on a work night. If they go - they leave after their article is voted on. I left in total disgust after the speakers were cut off and the vote was taken on ADU's.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/13/2019 - 21:15:45
Could it be a big "peoples night" in the town of Chatham?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/13/2019 - 16:53:54
Interesting to hear at the BOS meeting last night the State is now reneging on their landscaping designs for our new "West Chatham Corridor". Now the Town is forming a negotiating committee to deal with the State on this. Perhaps this happened because of poor follow-up by staff and Town Manager? Thankfully Selectman decided not to put this before Town Meeting asking tax payers to fund this. What is interesting is that no one saw this coming? This has been a joke since inception. The road is in deplorable shape with massive chunks of properties ripped out. It's pretty embarrassing when service people come to houses and ask ""doesn't Chatham ever get tired of spending money?". I hope folks show up to Town Meeting next week and vote down that ridiculous palace they want for a new Senior Center. It's really time to put the brakes on ridiculous spending and fix what we have.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/07/2019 - 06:03:20
While perusing a Chatham 1933 Town report, I see that Levi T. Denson, Town Clerk, paid out $5.00 for one seal bounty during the year.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/04/2019 - 19:04:53
By my 4/24 post you know I feel the same way about The Squire. May it continue to be the iconic gathering place it has always been.
USA - Fri 05/03/2019 - 10:39:59
I sure hope nothing changes at the Squire. It's one of the greatest bars in the world!
PhilH <>
Wilton, CT USA - Thu 05/02/2019 - 20:19:26
Horray! Horray! It's the first of May,
Outdoor frolicks start today!

I'll be cooking chowder today, thinking reverently of those that have gone ahead, over the bar.

Memories are what we have, and can't be taken from us.

N8 Plambeck <>
Rhinebeck, NY USA - Wed 05/01/2019 - 08:31:16
The Squire has been sold!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/30/2019 - 19:38:53
I've been wondering about the sign at the UU Church advertising a Pete Seeger event. Maybe it is a concert of Pete's songs, but Pete died in 2014. The sign is at best confusing.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/30/2019 - 16:37:19
One quarter inch of ice this Spring morning in Chatham. Yikes!
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/29/2019 - 07:34:49
I miss one connection: going to sleep to the Pollock Rip and Stonehorse foghorns. However I'm glad no Coastguardsman has to stay out there on those vessels, and I'm grateful that I still can spend summer and fall in my beautiful hometown. See you all in early June.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill , NJ USA - Sat 04/27/2019 - 18:51:09
Emily: Apology for a unintended blocking of part of a valid word that i had added recently to edit table slightly incorrectly, ok? Have updated table and your original post to fix the issue and deleted your second post.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/26/2019 - 10:53:57
Ben, I think there is a big difference between connection vs attraction. Connection means memories such as strolling down uncrowded Main St., the Methodist Church clock chimes, the fog horn, dormant, crisp brown lawns, dropping a line off Bridge St., walking the loop, and the two toots when passing a friend's house. The attraction is that Chatham has an affluent summer life such as an expensive, exclusive Country Club, a tennis club, good restaurants, good shopping, fresh seafood, free beaches, low Real Estate taxes, it is off the beaten path and there are plenty of people happy to have you move here and change it all!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 04/25/2019 - 07:53:33
Days Gone By: walking back along SHR from uptown on a warm summer day with salt water taffy, getting peppermint stick ice cream from HoJo's after Oyster Pond swimming lessons, smelling the newsprint and wood floors in the old Mayflower, tidal pools at Lighthouse Beach.
More Recently: early breakfast at Sandi's, fresh coffee from Chatham Village Cafe, overlook at Lighthouse.
Somewhere In Between: Last call at the Squire.
Every Time I'm Lucky Enough To Be In Chatham: family and friends also converging to make new memories.

USA - Wed 04/24/2019 - 12:06:43
Emily what a nice thought about this group of friends - what does everyone think is Chatham's strongest connection - my thoughts are band concert, baseball, outer beach, hardings beach, everyone knows everyone community - just sayin
USA - Tue 04/23/2019 - 22:23:42
Thanks Bob, happens all summer, but there should not be mail being delivered! I will address the issue with the USPS when I arrive. My neighborhood is gone. So sad to see one more tear-down, two more McMansions by Marsh, rental compound for sale, Fran Gallagher's, and the new almost 6 million Estate behind the Queen Anne Inn. All waiting for the rich and famous who don't care a whit about the serious problems Chatham is facing. See you at Town Meeting!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 04/22/2019 - 14:06:21
Not very nice weather, with no sun scheduled until later in the week. High temp of 60, so it is a typical Cape Cod spring. Ocean temperatures now in the mid 40's off the Outer Beach and 48 in Nantucket Sound.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/21/2019 - 13:21:19
Well, Emily, the highlight of my week was noticing that your mailbox was open with mail in it. By the time I got back to close it someone else had done so. Way too much happening construction-wise, but I think you know that.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/21/2019 - 11:42:04
Happy Easter to all on the CHAT-M-Room.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/21/2019 - 11:14:43
Soon to be back home, but when this room gets quiet, to me, it's like losing a friend. What's up these beautiful Spring days? Happy Easter!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 04/19/2019 - 20:40:39
Some of the older residents of Chatham may remember Jim Woodland who was a Chatham commercial fisherman. He and his wife had a home on Crowell Road before moving to Florida some years ago. Jim, who is Bruce's older brother, passed away yesterday at the age of 93.
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 04/12/2019 - 12:42:48
Once again, "The Dredge Report" has been emailed to a number of Chatham residents. I get one and I don't know how they pick and choose. It draws reference to some articles from the Chronicle.. I continue to believe this email campaign will be unsuccessful until the sources identify themselves.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/12/2019 - 11:38:51
As I look at it, a good Mariner traveling the coast, should use all what is available to him, GPS, Radar, and the dead Rec. approach to navigation.

Just as a matter of interest, Mr. Ryder's Niantic Skiff work, is not so far away from a timed VOR Approach to a runway

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 21:08:50
Inspired by the Wikipedia entry, I hauled out my trusty compact OED and confirmed that "dead reckoning" has been used as a navigational term since 1631. Sort of like "dead ahead," apparently. I tried looking for "deduced" or "ded," but eye strain set in. Hopefully, some of these pre-tech skills don't slide into "Never heard of it, don't need it, I've got GPS." Thanks for everyone's comments.
USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 12:51:01
Back in the late 70's when I had a 16' skiff with no electronics, I used to run compass courses in clear weather at set speeds and write them down. This paid off when thick fog set in off Black Point, Niantic, CT. late one afternoon. I ran a course I had written down and found my way back.
Google search shows "ded" rather than "dead" is most popular with aircraft pilots.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 09:16:26
@Kenny Can't be certain that ded reckoning is widely used at all, but perhaps it should be? As a recreational fisher, I make a point of using local landmarks, speed, and a clock as guides to find favorite fishing holes in the Bay and Sound both, as well as to relocate the harbor from which I left. I got into the habit after a close friend recalled a harrowing story of electronics going down and then having the fog roll in. I keep a notebook onboard with approximate times/speeds to spots I visit often. You just never know ...
Orleans, MA USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 08:52:31
Fascinating. Learned something new! Have seen only "Dead Reckoning" in written form. Poetic license or lack of research? ;-)
USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 08:29:19
Aha! That makes much more sense. I noticed the title on the spine of a book and didn't think to look it up, just recalled it by ear. Made me curious what came before electronic kinds of navigation. Commercial, but also sport fishing, especially in the fifties. Thank you, Richard.
USA - Tue 04/09/2019 - 22:59:57
I believe the term was known as "ded "reckoning, or deduced reckoning.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/09/2019 - 19:54:07
Can anyone familiar with the subject say when dead reckoning was last widely, though perhaps not universally, used in the sport fishing business around Chatham? I remember hearing that Buddy Henderson relied on it quite successfully, even in the thickest fog. Is it still used today? Thanks.
USA - Tue 04/09/2019 - 11:25:50
From an interview with the late Captain Silas Harding of Chatham, when asked where he would go to find the bravest men for his Life-Saving crew, he replied:

" Not in the boxing ring, or on the docks, but to a public funeral in a small town. The men who had tears in their eyes would be the ones I would choose, for the man who has sympathy for his fellow man is the man with courage and bravery."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/03/2019 - 19:21:13
Reading a good book from Nathaniel Philbrick called MAYFLOWER. Full of facts and information I never knew. The Pilgrims brought an English Mastiff over with them for protection. We have a Mastiff and that would be an interesting undertaking to keep that 200+ beast onboard a ship.
Squanto died in Chatham assisting the Pilgrims on a trading mission looking for food. Some good evidence that he was poisoned by another Indian jealous of what Squanto was doing (Squanto made Machiavelli look like an amateur).
Some real interesting information about "King Phillips" war (son of Massasoit). I didn't realize the entire "frontier" was manipulated into warfare; with the exception of the Indians on the Cape (referred to as "praying Indians." The uprising came very close to pushing the English back into the sea.
Fascinating book and well researched.

USA - Tue 04/02/2019 - 20:25:19
I haven't heard from John H., but E-mailed him the facts. I urge you all to tune into the April 5th meeting, and listen with an open mind. Forget some of the dialog that tends to be too long winded and overly detailed, but factual, please let us all have a voice in Chatham on what we live with! Learn, fight, speak up and stop the BIG CHANGE. I have a tiny little 800 sq. Ft bungalow ....swamped by nobody I know....350.000 to 590.000.......4 available right now. I would love to return to 1956 and watch Nellie Rogers walk by every morning to HR for Mass and bring home the priests laundry.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 04/02/2019 - 20:16:17
John, please e-mail me directly with your personal e-mail address. I would like to send you the documented history of this land taking issue.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 04/01/2019 - 15:34:57
In many cases, I believe the homeowners think (mistakenly usually) that their property goes to pavement edge when it's often five or more feet from that point and in some cases, the private fences or other stuff may have been there prior to town taking possession of road and ROW but they aren't forced to remove it unless it's a problem. The only thing that I feel is allowed in that area is mailboxes and that's all that is in the five feet closest to pavement at my place.
J Hallgren (as User)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sun 03/31/2019 - 12:37:45
I am not so sure it is a minor matter. I for one will be watching the live broadcast. I am very interested in how much land actually belongs to you or the Town, measuring from the center line of the road. How do people ge away with "view/breeze blocking" fences that are erected on Town Property?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 03/31/2019 - 12:02:33
Emily, While I haven't read/heard the specific details AFAIK, I believe it's simply to correct some paperwork/procedure errors that were discovered in recent years. I thought it was either some legal paperwork that was thought to have been done/filed but wasn't or some notification that was similarly wrong. The town is just making official what almost everyone (except lawyers) thought was already official, ok?
J. Hallgren (as User)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/31/2019 - 03:22:11
What is this I hear about land takings on 7 Chatham roads? Meeting April , 5 pm at the annex. Stage Harbor, Champlain, Port Fortune, Battlefield, Stage Neck and Cedar St. Will someone explain why the Town wants/needs to do this?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/30/2019 - 18:51:34
Tony I strongly agree and I too am good with whatever shows up on here local issues or Chatham memories - Furthermore, I hope John considers another ChatM Room gathering later this year - I really enjoyed the two I attended at Jean Pratt's and Carl Olson's - it's really fun to associate the names on here with real people - I'd even pay for Alan Wirsul's bus ticket from New Jersey to Chatham just to get to meet him in person (that's bus ticket not first class air)
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/28/2019 - 19:50:32
John, you have been doing a great job running this room for a long time and I totally defer to your judgment. I just thought this might be a way to keep two distinct factions here Happy. Thanks!
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Tue 03/26/2019 - 05:41:46
Tony, my intention was that the Site Related be used minimally and primarily by me and users to discuss any technical issues or concerns related to this website or the Net in general but it's never amounted to as much as I thought it might. I want people to mix up topics here to maintain interest and not split up into groups because the number of posters here isn't now really enough to keep one forum active, let alone two parts of one. If we had dozens of posts daily, it might be practical but not now or ever in past.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 20:11:49
I know I have suggested this before. Why not turn the rarely used site related side of this chat room for current event discussions and leave the town common for folks to talk about the past. Problem solved
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 17:37:05
John - This is the first I've heard of it. I'm curious about the clearing of Mr. Marsh's property (formerly Sibleys) that is being done by the construction crew in West Chatham. Anyone know if taxpayers are footing that bill?
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 12:33:53
Does anyone know who generated "The Dredge Report" which was emailed today to "undisclosed-recipients"? It includes a history of shoaling on Chatham's Eastern shores. It also includes comments on the Selectmen's Meeting of March 18th and the discussion on dredging . Since the source was not noted, and there is no byline to claim the comments on the meeting, I believe it will have very little impact. To gain traction, the author or authors have to make clear who they are and what they represent. It is fine to interpret history and recent events to favor your position, but it is not fine to fail to identify the source.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 11:34:06
Richard; I remember that day like it was yesterday.The car was a 1939 Chevrolet owned by Allen Phillips,and it happened just as you described it, south of Old Harbor Station on a cold winter day. Adapt and overcome !!!BLF
Barry Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/24/2019 - 15:18:48
Back in 1955 or so, before the Cape Cod National Seashore took over, crude beach vehicles owned by Ross Gould, John Pratt, and maybe Barry Fulcher and others were kept on a dirt road off to the side of the way to Nauset Beach. Next to Mayo's Duck Farm. There were no plates or registrations. Most had missing parts. One car didn't even have a starter! It had to be pushed down a hill or dune to start it. That was fine until someone stalled it on the outer beach, coming from the low beach to the higher ground.. What to do? We jacked up the car and cut off a fender with an axe. Then, we spun the wheel and popped the clutch. Tide was coming in, so desperate measures had to be taken!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/23/2019 - 13:22:42
The only jalopy in my life was the station wagon my dad kept on Monomoy to drive out to the point and go surfcasting and picnicking. Our playgrounds in the Old Village were the porches of the empty winter houses - good settings to act out made up plays.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 03/23/2019 - 06:04:56
Uh, is it safe to return yet?

This is for those of you that remember quieter times in Chatham. Two days ago I had occasion to follow Ridgevale Road South to its far end at Sulphur Springs Creek (aka Buck's Creek).

About 62 years ago I, and several other kids my age, had the pleasure of roaming a large portion of West Chatham aboard a few old jalopies that, when not roaming the woods in back of Roy Meservey's and Clayton Buck's homes, resided in a small field just a few feet off route 28.

At the time there was a stone and earth dike across the creek with enough width to allow an automobile to get to the Harding's Beach Hills area. Two large culverts allowed tidal access under the structure. I do not recall seeing any homes in that area, so there was a lot of space to roam. Often we'd cross route 28 in the vicinity of what now is George Ryder Road South. Imagine trying to do that today in unregistered, uninspected and often unsafe junk cars. I liked it better then.

BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/22/2019 - 11:04:41
Folks: You may notice some differences in recent posts from what was there since last night. That is the result of some private conversations between myself and Alan and Ben H, who was now gracious enough to tell me via FB PM:
"John please just delete my posts relating to Alan- you were right .. Leave Alan's on there if you want but take mine down - they don't contribute anything worthwhile - Thanks
Please tell everyone I asked that you remove them as I realized they were not contributing to the friendly spirit of the ChatM room"
However, I chose instead to edit Ben's posts and mine to remove references to the most problematic parts and leave the portions that would have been, I think, OK for all of us. I MUCH appreciate Ben H working with me on this and by giving him some more background info on Alan, that may have helped resolve this.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/21/2019 - 14:17:27
Oh my, here we go again with all this bickering! Please stop, think and be more interested in the true purpose of this Chat-M-Room. Many of the issues facing the NEW Chatham have been created by our new destination status for summer fun. Let's focus more on a few traditional things that attract so many people to visit. Mainly the major loss of our fisheries and fishing families. We are re-building the viewing platform at the Fish Pier for a fleet that probably has lost access to their livelihood, the Atlantic Ocean.

May I remind everyone that after WWII, the well trained returning Vets pitched in to create all the services and small businesses and homes that made the charming well-knit community that visitors learned to love. Those men and their successors are the backbone of the REAL Chatham we enjoy today. Support for the VFW should be a higher priority for funding than anything else.

Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 22:14:57
All the ChatM regulars are "over it" - let's move on
Ben H
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 21:45:52
Alan: Yes, there have been a few times when your style of writing and content were a bit different than normal here and we've talked about that by phone before, and i think we've resolved most of that. Having said that, the way I prefer all users to deal with personal negative comments like you received is to contact ME directly and not respond HERE because then I may have two users who didn't follow rules.
And - it's "Chronicle" - (spelling that wrong adds to the impression that you're not acquainted with Chatham to some folks)

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 21:18:27
And the Nastiness keeps on coming-which has been typical of some of the contributors of this site, however I knew I would face this disingenuous non sense when I posted earlier.

I could surely put this in many other ways, but I will leave it at this.

If you can still read, you might wish to take a look at this weeks Chronical and some of its articles. For example:

Alan Pollock's "Desperate Mariners seek Answers"

Doreen Leggett's "Not just one Fish, Two Fish Anymore"

Andrew Beckley' Editorial "Utter Disconnect willfully so, between the problems we face and the ability we have to address them.

And as far as the Kool Aid comment and your review of myself on MY LIFE, I hope you can do a little better than this, perhaps first grade 101 might take you to a slightly higher level

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 20:35:57
John H you provided a great explanation as to the real meaning and character of this room. People like Carl Olson, Jane Patterson, Gary Nick, Tim P and other former contributors are applauding you. Let's be realistic about what's going on here - we have Alan Wirsul, a 68 year old from NJ with no real connection to Chatham other than he found this room. He is reasonable but John you as moderator and we as participants can only continue to politely listen to Alan - some like Judy P may even drink his Kool Ade.
Ben H
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 19:56:29
Noted, stand corrected on the chat room thing. As for the other issues, one can think of them as you wish-semantics

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 18:30:46
Alan: You used more than once the term 'blog' which is NOT what this site is. It's a 'chat room' and plays off the word chat as part of Chatham also. A blog is a series of articles or audio/video written/recorded by one person usually and other provide comments on that content. Ok, so it's not that critical but I never want this site to be called a blog because I'm not the author of most of the content.
Also, I consider all things that relate to how the Town/State operates to be political.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 18:09:47
John, this is your site, but please permit me to comment as follows:

The remarks I made earlier are not politics, they are happenings to Chatham (History occurring right before the eyes of the people). These topics will have profound effects on this township. Chatham is frequently thought of as the preeminence of all of Cape Cod. Your Blog and it's participants could bring the best of Chatham and all of its skill and energy that will be needed to bring positive change. These events will happen to the town, whether some of bloggers choose to join or not.

John, you have made a plea for more people to come to the site. There are many who come to this site who are Chatham Regulars of the past and need and wish to have to look back into the past-Again I get it.

What I do not get is the attempts of social separation and smugness that occurs from many in the 50-60's era and the remark(s) as made below. I have viewed more than a few people who have left your site for these types of comments- The Bloggers leaving are not in the chosen few and these folks wished for only enormously good things to happen to Chatham.

I would hope that more folks like Judy P, the younger Felcher and Elaine would come to this site, as I know they have hopes and dreams for the future of the town and are not afraid to accept the bold Challenges ahead.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 16:46:12
Melissa is right because history was the primary topic of the site when it was run by the TeleCam guys but they didn't want any political stuff. I, however, broadened the scope to allow that to give others a chance to post and hopefully get more activity, which it has done. But remember that just because one post is possibly political or town government related, you can post a history one next. There's no fixed thread here and it can wander between topics.
I would love to get more people active here to offset those whom we have lost to illness or death so if you're reading but never posting, PLEASE do so now!

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 09:46:30
If you read the mission statement of the Chat-M-Room, history is the first component! It has been my pleasure to read about times when I was either not around or too young to remember. It has also been my privilege to participate in discussions of current events. This venue allows those of us who are not on-site to connect on ALL levels.
If this Chat-M-Room does not meet the requirements of local politics, please feel free to start one with that specific focus. I will remain here. Thanks for listening.

USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 09:33:12
Totally agree with you Alan. Too bad there's not more interest in these discussions. I don't agree however that some of these changes positively affect the Town. The proposed ADU bylaw is a developer's dream - and certainly not the fix folks think they're getting. In addition the proposed COA building doesn't seem to have a lot of support. I believe the Finance Committee isn't on board with the size of the proposed building either. The Sharks and seals are problems that won't be satisfactorily taken care of either prior to summer. The West Chatham roadway project with two rotaries within 900' of each other are still a bone of contention. We shall see how things progress.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 21:09:37
Hey Alan I take exception to the tone of your remarks - let us have our fun and our memories without being criticized - we enjoy sharing those stories and once in a while we even have a quiz about Chatham lore - it's a healthy pursuit for many of us - not to detract from the importance of the community issues you mention, just defending and explaining our right to enjoy ourselves in here .... Barry Jim Hallowell was my uncle, would love to hear your story
Ben H
USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 20:42:33
So much going on in Chatham that could positively change the community and so little contribution that occur from this site with the exception of a few.
When you have:
Beach Safety: seems like there is more investment directed after a possible shark bite rather than before.

Seals and Sharks Seal population out of control and seems like the thought of nets around at least one of the beaches dropped and fish eaten out of control.

Accessory Dwelling Units: A piece of local legislation that certainly could be tightened up.

Highway construction starting in April May.

Sr. Citizen home a subject that certainly needs more review.

Monomoy Theatre: No shows for 2019?

Sewer cost probably now kicking in a big way.

Dredging: how much, when and where?

And what is the focus on this site? Again, old times, Coast Guard Anchor placement, flowered dress worn or the Kingston trio. How great life was back then, what about the future, the future of your children or your grand children?

And then there is the focus of Chatham's councel. Is there more than one in the community? Is one attorney representing the towns of Chatham, Blackstone, Mashpee and Foxborough or is Chatham having multiple representation?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 16:02:38
When we were teenagers, my friends and I volunteer ushered at the Monomoy Theater.I wore a long flowered dress that I loved and saw all the plays.
Would be nice if that chance were offered to the current generation.

Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 11:45:43
Does anyone know when or how the large anchor got placed on the Chatham Coast Guard grounds? It sits on the site of the North Tower, which was removed in 1923. Someone with a fairly large boat and truck must have been involved in hoisting it aboard and then transporting it.
I still have several Kingston Trio records, but was not around Chatham in 1963.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/18/2019 - 18:57:41
Ben, was Jim Hallowell your father? If he was I have a funny story to tell you about his Lyman boat.
Barry Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/17/2019 - 19:30:04
Nick was a fun loving guy and his extended family remains a fixture here in Coronado - I'll be sure to pass on your memories to his sisters, Barbara and Jane, the family was brought up singing close harmony with their father Captain Reynolds and little Nickie learned to sing a third above the melody. The rest as they say is history - he returned home to Coronado in his later years and truly loved to sing and party at the drop of a hat. Fun times
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 20:46:06
Oh, you folks have me remembering those days of yore! Yes, the wonderful voice of Sarah Vaughn who had to be led on and off the stage at Storyville, the 'new' comedian Phyllis Diller and the fabulous Kingston Trio......I remember the dress I wore to Storyville to see/hear them and I still have their autographs 'To Laughing Face Nancy'. Priceless!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 13:37:41
The first date that I had with my wife we went to Storyville to see the Kingston Trio. I think it was 1963. When Patrice Munsel would come to the Cape she would park her motor home in the parking lot at the boatyard. I would come to work at 8:00 and she would be making breakfast and singing. I got to hear her for free. Ben, thanks for the reminders!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 09:37:19
Barry, I think it is very positive that we can remember an event almost 60 years ago.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 09:32:51
At the beginning of the evening at Storyville, things were much clearer and after we left there, we invited the Kingston Trio at Eric Barnes house, they said 'Sure'. Nick had his pick of the girls. I don't remember being there at 4:30 a.m., but I might have been. It was a memorable time in the late 50's!!
Barry Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/13/2019 - 19:03:46
The beach party was in South Harwich and 2 of the Kington Trio did attend. Nick Reynolds brought his conga drum and Dave Guard brought a guitar and we somehow stayed up to 4:30 AM. Great memory.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/12/2019 - 10:01:42
John and others Be interesting to hear your memories of summer theater and entertainment not just Monomoy but others like Dennis Playhouse, Cape Cod Melody Tent, Storyville, Red Garter,and of course Bud Kastner's Christopher Ryder House.I can remember Jane Fonda as a 19 year old in her first role at Dennis, Sarah Vaughan with a waterglass full of vodka on stage singing like no other, the Kingston Trio fresh out of college performing at Storyville and allegedly attending a Chatham beach party with Duke Courtnell later (in the early morning),and then in the 1970s going for a sail with Spaulding Dunbar and Patrice Munsel before she performed in "Mame" later that evening at the Melody Tent. Just some memories of entertainment on the Cape.
Ben H
USA - Mon 03/11/2019 - 19:45:09
I am aware that there are a lot of difficult steps before the Monomoy Theater is back and in operation. The good news that the new owner is willing to work with is theater group is simply a positive first step. A tremendous amount of work is required to keep this project on track. The Monomoy Theater is a jewel for Chatham and I think the necessary effort is worth it.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/11/2019 - 12:03:06
Great news about Monomoy Theater's future- I'm sure John Whelan and others in this room were in part responsible for preserving such an important part of the community - a toast to you from afar!
Ben H
USA - Sun 03/10/2019 - 19:32:18
Like I told Judy before, this is a town that loves studies. Personally, I don't see a catastrophic failure of the dump to the extent that it needs complete reconfiguration. Certainly not a quarter million dollars spent on someone to tell us to turn the arrows in the other direction. As far as odor; it's a dump. Waste stinks. I will not vote to support this, and it's a shame that our elected leaders feel this is worth our time and money.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/09/2019 - 15:56:30
I totally agree with Judy on this one! If we can fund a fancy COA and dump, why can't we build affordable housing for our young people and essential workforce? Look at all the land available to build for the future of Chatham rather than for retirees?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/09/2019 - 13:23:51
I was glad to hear the Theater will be saved. The new owners sound as though they want to do the right thing by the Town and that's refreshing. Really delighted as well to hear the usual players aren't involved. I was disappointed to read our Selectman voted to place a warrant for an article at Town Meeting to authorize $250K for design and layout of a new "improved" dump. Instead of paying all these monies for studies and design, isn't this what the Principal Planner should be working on? Ms. Goldsmith and her minions really ought to find ways to make what we have work. No reason to disrupt the woodlands off Middle Road for a COA building that will cost millions. What's wrong with the old Superintendent's building on Old Harbor Road that has sat vacant for years? It's in the downtown area and accessible to everything. Folks wonder why young people can't afford to live here. More and more are expressing their disgust at a town that is out of control on a never- ending spending spree and one that only caters to the wants of a select group of people. I hope folks show up at Town Meeting to vote these ridiculous items down.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/08/2019 - 07:55:18
The announcement at the Selectmen's Meeting today by the mystery buyer had a very positive tone. The buyers have experience in historic preservation and Mr. Greg Clark expressed a willingness to work with The Monomoy Theater group. Good news, so far.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/04/2019 - 23:57:26
Although I agree that there could be a better use of the Monomoy Theater property than more over-sized homes, I do not recall any of my family ever having anything to do with it, and seriously question the idea of not considering other avenues of possible uses.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/04/2019 - 15:08:00
John, I heartily agree with you and hope that the backbone of the town we all love, will once again put their efforts whole heartedly into saving another iconic Chatham treasure. We have the Orpheum, and the Village Market only because of the old- time grass roots advocates who fought their brains out! I am so disturbed by "new Chatham vacation homeowners" who do not choose to learn our history and become involved.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/04/2019 - 14:20:48
The last time I became agitated because of a integral part of Chatham bing lost was in 2009. Bromley Realty Trust, which owns the land under the CVS and the Chatham Village Market had signed a lease with CVS and appeared to be leaving the market with no home. As you all remember, the Town of Chatham and its people let Bromley know that their plan conflicted with the wishes of the people. And we have the wonderful shared property today and the entire town has benefitted. I would like to suggest the beginning of a campaign to let the proposed buyers of the Monomoy Theater of how strongly we feel about retaining the Monomoy Theater.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/01/2019 - 21:30:08
It was a great column. So many of our memories are just slowly dying.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/01/2019 - 13:25:05
If you get a chance read John Whelan's column in this week's Chronicle. It provides a great history of the Monomoy Theater and a real sense of what the Town of Chatham stands to lose if the theatre doesn't reopen.
Tony Murphy
W. Chatham , MA USA - Thu 02/28/2019 - 17:13:20
Yes Happy Birthday Gordon, and he stills plays golf.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/25/2019 - 13:30:50
Happy "Double Snowman" Birthday to one of Chatham's greats - Gordon Pratt
Ben H
USA - Sun 02/24/2019 - 19:16:45
Any news on the Monomoy Theater? I find the secrecy of the potential buyer as a very ominous sign. Sometimes, no news is good news, but not this time.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/21/2019 - 13:37:39
Just a reminder that on February 18th, it will be the anniversary of the Pendleton rescue. One thing we learned from the widow of the first man off the ship was that the cook had prepared hard boiled eggs for everyone. They were to be used as pocket/hand warmers ! Too bad that didn't make it in to the movie. We certainly were not aware of that at the time.

Every summer at Rock Harbor, we seem to meet some people who had relatives on the Pendleton. Last year, it was a grandson of Captain Fitzgerald of the Pendleton. As far as we know, he and Andy were not closely related.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/16/2019 - 16:31:28
John - thanks for your input! It appears in the past that exceptions have been made. I don't understand why this couldn't be a time for another exception- considering that some of our hard earned tax dollars have paid for renovations to the golf course and repairs of tennis courts and other questionable items. At least if not the full amount of the repair - a sum of money could have been given towards this repair.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/15/2019 - 09:50:12
I'm not on the CPC Committee, but I know that the VFW would have gotten the money if the repair had not extended to the entire building. Exterior restoration is allowed. I recognize it is a technicality and that there is still resentment over the money given to churches before the State AG ruled it no longer legal. Perhaps the article did not explain the problem adequately, but it is definitely not an attempt to slight the veterans at all.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/14/2019 - 23:23:50
Churches not Vets. What in the world is wrong with this picture?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/14/2019 - 07:43:11
Every Veteran living in Chatham should protest the CPC decision to not fund the VFW furnace repairs! This just isn't right!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 02/14/2019 - 07:38:36
No comment on the monies expended for CPC funds in Chatham, but supposedly Chatham Bay scallops are being sold in Orleans at Nauset Fish & Lobster. At least, that is where they told me they were coming from. They also have had scallops from Nantucket and off the coast of either Eastham or Orleans, in Cape Cod Bay .No matter where they come from, they are totally yummy!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 20:48:42
I made an error - the monies were not for a roof - it was for exterior renovations on a few churches and the Masonic Lodge. No reason funding shouldn't be provided to the VFW. Just another slap in the face to our veterans in this town. Shame on these committee members.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 20:36:00
Interesting to read in today's Chronicle that the Community Preservation Committee turned down a request from the VFW for 205K to upgrade their heating system. Couldn't this have been provided under the guidelines of rehabilitation and restoration? Yet this is the same committee that approved a ROOF at St. Christopher's Church and their other "trendy" projects that the Summer Residents Committee push for? Seriously folks -- WTH is going on in this Town when you deny veterans a place to go? How many members of that committee served in the military? Is it because there aren't enough of the beautiful people that go there and that it's military related? This makes me sick. Oh, and now the push is on for a swimming pool to be added to the new COA being pushed for at Town Meeting that is being built in the boon docks. Give me a break. This town has lost its priorities. I will not be voting for the new COA, along with many other folks my age. No need for another palatial building to be added. We have enough. Fix what we have for the folks that are here now.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 17:42:33
I will never tell. Time for a spotting scope.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 17:11:31
Just where are Bay scallops being harvested in Chatham? Oyster River, Pleasant Bay ? Off Monomoy?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 16:53:43
Well said, J.P. As usual.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/12/2019 - 19:15:22
If one if going to use a fake moniker and makes a comment - he/she should at least have the courtesy to respond to questions from folks who can at least sign their name with dignity.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/12/2019 - 08:25:01
Yes Richard, I was wondering who is "they"? Also.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/11/2019 - 20:16:13
One want's to know who is " they"?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/11/2019 - 17:47:17
Get ready for 1000 new moorings in Oyster Pond if they get their way. I for one, do not agree with it.
Stephen Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/11/2019 - 15:58:51
Richard, I thought I was the only one that ever "hit the wrong button"
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 19:46:26
Oops: Hit the wrong button. What I had meant to say was that yes, I had heard the term gam to mean a woman's leg. Later on, I found out that to have a gam meant something else. Either way, all good.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 17:17:38
In my "old days",
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 17:13:38
I always thought "gams" referred to women's legs in the old least in that context.
Kathleen Nowak <>
Sebastian, FL USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 08:09:45
It is pretty sad that the Monomoy experience, like staying overnight at a rudimentary camp, walking the distance, or driving from Stage or Morris Island to the Point is no longer available to hardly anyone.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/08/2019 - 16:43:50
I think Bob Loring.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/08/2019 - 09:31:15
In the 50s the Monomoy crew (Noble Cathcart, Sailor Allen, Tut Tuttle, Tom Pennypacker, John Manson, and so many others) were in one continuous gam session from the time they crossed with Gunny on the ferry to their camps until they returned a week or so later (Monomoy gam sessions were always fueled with a lot of alcohol)
Ben H
USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 20:16:39
Richard, That was Sleepy!
Nancy Ryder Petrus
USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 18:02:16
He was one of the eight dwarves
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 17:50:55
Is it fair to ask who Creepy was? Did he run a gas station?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 16:21:37
How about "Nice gams?"
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 15:59:33
The Atwood House Museum used to have "gam sessions" where the old timers would gather and tell tales. My father told the story of "When Creepy blew up the stove". Creepy got his nickname for creeping around and stealing firewood. Some Chathamite puth dynamite in his logs.......and well, you know!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 13:48:42
Melissa thank you I always thought GAM was Golf Association of Massachusetts
Ben H
USA - Wed 02/06/2019 - 21:41:25
Thought it was a typo. You made me look it up!
Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines the noun "gam" as "a visit or friendly conversation at sea or ashore especially between whalers." (It can also mean "a school of whales.") Learn something new every day! LOL

USA - Wed 02/06/2019 - 08:52:38
Richard slipped something in here that went unnoticed. How many folk here know what a "gam" is? (Everyone should - or they should turn in their Quahog rakes.

Well done Richard!! Need to keep the lexicon sharp.

USA - Tue 02/05/2019 - 18:59:48
The Chatham connection to the Perfect Storm movie, and the Eldia grounding, is pretty obvious.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/05/2019 - 11:23:40
This coming Sunday, February 10th, the Cape Cod National Seashore will show the movie "Perfect Storm" at the Salt Pond Visitor Center in Eastham. The theater has been redone. The sound and seating is first rate. Movie is free and starts at 1:30. It is sponsored by the Friends of The Cape Cod National Seashore. Last week they showed "Cast Away" with Tom Hanks.
The gam about the "Eldia" grounding scheduled for this coming Sunday at the Orleans Historical Society has been postponed.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/05/2019 - 10:07:44
Emily, in my indirect way, I am supportive of the Monomoy Theater NOT being allowed to be subdivided/exploited. It is that developers do what they do, and when they develop one property and make $$ on that deal, then they are on to the next possibility. Like, would you go to a dermatologist if you had a bone fracture? Specialists do what they are accustomed to and trained to do.
I used to think that properties in Eastham would never sell for over a million, but alas and alack, that is not the case any more. With the headquarters of GE being moved to Boston, there will be an endless supply of well heeled buyers looking at properties in Chatham, as well as Eastham and parts in between.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/31/2019 - 19:45:54
Richard.....PLEASE explain what your last post means. You are a Chatham native, from one of the most respected families, but your perspective is always from Eastham. What does that have to do with Chatham? If the Monomoy Theater disappears to developers need for 6-8 more McMansions, will you cry with the rest of us?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/31/2019 - 19:29:26
What are you thinking?
Some companies/developers in your town just can't wait to buy a property in the Town of Chatham and turn it in to a revenue stream. When will they arrive in Eastham?
Oh wait, maybe they are already here.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/31/2019 - 18:15:32
I think a lot of folks feel as you do John. I hope the developers aren't involved.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/30/2019 - 21:07:09
The breaking news is upsetting. The real estate firm representing the owners of the Monomoy Theater property say it is now under agreement. They went on to say that the prospective buyer is not connected to the Monomoy Theater. It will be a significant loss to Chatham if the theater is lost. We certainly do not need another real estate development.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/30/2019 - 18:01:29
I see on the Funeral Home website that Ben did not want to have a public service. So in keeping with his spirit of giving.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/30/2019 - 16:17:36
Our condolences to Bens' family.. Sweetheart of a guy...

Gordon and Jean

Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/26/2019 - 09:32:04
Ben was a kind and caring person. He loved his Masonic brothers and their mission but most of all he loved Chatham and its people. Don nominated him twice to be the parade Grand Marshall. He will be greatly missed.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Fri 01/25/2019 - 02:00:38
R.I.P. Ben. A wonderfull man that stood by his wife in times of trouble, and continued on with his family after that.Ben will be mised by many in this community. A truly sad day.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 23:51:39
There will never be another Ben Nickerson. Rest In Peace dear soul.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 17:37:34
A sad day for Chatham indeed. His sister Nancy Nickerson Tansey is a CHS 1957 classmate of mine.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 16:31:54
Just posted on Facebook by Chatham Fire Dept:
"CFD is sad to announce the passing of Ben T. Nickerson. He was a member of our department for many years and a truly kind gentleman. We will pass along more info when it is available."

This site will miss his contributions as well! Real nice gentleman that I'm glad to have known at least a bit!

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 15:17:12
The same Ben Nickerson who is the first 2019 entry wishing everyone a Happy New Year?
(Scroll down)
Poignant and a reality check. All the best to his family.

USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 14:41:53
I was so sorry to hear that Ben Nickerson died this morning at Cape Cod Hospital. Ben was a wonderful man and he will be missed.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 13:38:21
Let's open some talk about saving the Monomoy Theater! Is everyone still frozen?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 09:33:33
I would MUCH prefer anyone wanting to see older posts here to use the History pages that are available via the Site Map page or the white header box on the full Town Common page, which gets you to pages like this for Jan 2005 and which are all linked forwards and backwards to next and prior months at top and bottom respectively.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 01/20/2019 - 12:19:51
For amusement, here are some of the earliest posts at the CHAT-M-Room from Jan/Feb 2005: Be careful, though, that page will look just like this real Chat-M-Room, but don't try to post new things there! I'm not sure whether that would work.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 01/20/2019 - 12:10:54
Bonnie Snow and I walked out to the Eldia. Because of its size, it looked close, but it turned out to be a very tiring trek on the beach. She wouldn't let me give up.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sun 01/20/2019 - 04:23:01
The post card photo on the cover of the new CC5 Calendar doesn't show the anchor. A post card of the station with the DUKW and the watch tower in front has what looks like daffodils being raised where the anchor is now.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/18/2019 - 13:08:29
Dick, by Biblical accounts, the anchor on the old foundation was from Noah's Ark. As the provision was for all earthly creatures to have a mate; so too did the lighthouse.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 20:10:43
Anyone out there know when the anchor on the North side of the Coast Guard Station was placed there? Or where it came from?
That is the site of the former North Tower of the Twin Lights, which was dismantled piecemeal and moved to Eastham, apparently by oxen. The new foundation in Eastham was poured without any bolts to hold the tower in position. (The brick cylinder and the conical skeleton combo seems to work.)

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 17:50:30
Thank you John. clap clap!!
Sylvia + Barry <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 12:02:48
If memory serves, the original site was being overwhelmed by SPAM (hacked?) and had to be shut down. Thanks to John H for his years of worthy efforts, making it possible for us to continue to CHAT! Applause, applause!
USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 08:59:53
Richard G Ryder: While MY version of this site began on Jan 27th 2005, the first post from original TeleCam site that I had found was from Jan 1, 2001 and was made by Barry & Sylvia Fulcher!
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 23:12:22
Barbara - Great comment about the Zoning Board! Same goes for the Planning Board.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 19:23:54
On Sunday, February 10th at 3 PM, the Orleans Historical Society (Bonnie Snow) will host a get together of people who might have visited the Eldia, or watched her go aground. Should be fun! It is at the Meetinghouse, on the way to Nauset Beach.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 11:47:36
Re CG Station Chatham: The volunteers of the CG36500 have turned over 28 $20.00 gift cards to the OIC, one for each member of the crew. That is the limit. Suggest that some of the larger companies like Chatham Boat, The Squire, Realtors, attorneys, etc do the same thing. There has to be a card for each person, with a $20.00 limit. Sort of like compound interest, the 8th wonder of the world.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 11:42:48
Ushered at the Monomoy Theater as a teen-anger and a love of the theater was born. Hoping there will be a way found to save it.
Would also like to remind the ChatRoom readers that the Coast Guard is affected by the government shutdown and the Chatham Coast Guard families might need some assistance.
May I presume to suggest that someone who has the time sit in on the Zoning Board meetings. I did and time after time they okayed plans that did not meet the zoning requirements. If you can't get to a meeting, read the agenda in the Chronicle. Hindsight is 20-20.

Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 11:24:34
How shall we celebrate the birth of this Chat-M-Room, coming up on January 27th?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/15/2019 - 18:46:24
Here is a chance for the private citizens of the Town of Chatham to make up for the loss of three icons: The CG36500, The Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, and the Coast Guard Boathouse at Morris/Stage Island. I hadn't realized that the Monomoy Theater property actually went to Depot Road. Of course it does!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/14/2019 - 17:41:54
Well said John!
West Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/13/2019 - 20:58:32
PLEASE - Let us all band together and Save the Monomoy Theater! This is a wonderful asset
to our town. It is a training ground for talented actors and techs - of various descriptions PLUS
giving us all the ability of seeing Live Theater! Nothing like it. We have been so blessed to
have this Jewel in our town all of these years. PLEASE . HELP - Restoration/Not building.

marie <>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 01/13/2019 - 12:38:05
The 3.31 acre Monomoy Theater property would be and is a fabulous site for the Monomoy Theater. The theater is an important cultural asset for the Town of Chatham. It would be my hope that a fund raising effort will result in purchase of the property and that the theater would go on. It would seem that the opportunity for a college drama department should be very attractive. Losing the Christopher Ryder Opera House years ago was a serious blow to Chatham and losing the Monomoy Theater should be avoided.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/12/2019 - 22:55:38
Bob - You're not the first person that has suggested that. It's probably going to go for a hefty bit of money. One of my friends said the Town owns too much land as it is. Middle Road is a ridiculous alternative to the other places that have been before the Board. Judging from the recent LTE's in the Chronicle, folks are against using Middle Road - as am I.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/10/2019 - 07:52:25
The 3.31 acre Monomoy Theater property would be an absolutely WONDERFUL location for a new Council On Aging facility! Walk into town, near the Fire Dept., close to the Community Center's facilities without the need to overbuild the Community Center, and low impaction the surrounding properties. Meets most of the needs voiced by the public, with almost none of the drawbacks. Now that would be a worthwhile civic investment. How could we get the powers-that-be interested in the idea???!
Bob Fishback <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/09/2019 - 21:30:53
How can we save the Monomoy Theater from the greedy developers?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/09/2019 - 13:20:13
I added a comment - and it did not appear. there was note saying it was not acceptable/inappropriate(?) . please explain - Marie
marie <>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 01/09/2019 - 11:57:53
Thank you, Lisa for your kind comments! I've also very much appreciated the comments about Carl and his passion for sharing his chowder near and far. It is so special that he is remembered in such a wonderful way and it means a lot to me. Thank you all!
carol olson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/05/2019 - 16:35:27
Carl was especially proud of his son in law, who, as best I can recall, is an Air fForce member who's job it is to rescue others.
Sad to know that Station Chatham has been down graded from a Surf Station. The boats they have and the conditions they deal with did not allow them enough chances to train new candidates to be Surfmen (or women).
Still think that a 36 foot motor lifeboat, made of whatever material, and still slow, would be useful for most rescues out of Chatham Fish Pier. Stage Harbor based boats, are a different story. The 42 footer there has been proven to be the right boat for that part of the Station Chatham AOR. Area Of Responsibility.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/03/2019 - 17:59:19
Seems like almost yesterday when Carl sent 20 servings of Chowdah at his own expense to the wounded warrior unit here in San Diego - our Old Goats and Kids Who Care had the privilege of delivering at Christmas time - made such a difference in those young amputees lives to have authentic Chatham chowdah delivered from the Chowdahman - his story became known out here in San Diego - Now Carl is gone but we still stay in touch with those same amputees as they transition to their new lives and they all remember the Chowdah from the Chowdahman - Carl sure reached many people and I think he loved knowing he was truly making a difference in their lives
Ben H
USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 21:25:16
Anna.. Carl would make his yearly visit to our area here on Glover Square for the 4th of July with his car radio at maximum volume playing marching music, plus he would deliver his famous chowder to my wife.. Great guy..
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 10:37:29
Remembering Carl who, because of this very Chat-M-Room, made a point to meet in 2016 and personally handed me a serving of his famous chow-dah. A gracious gesture not to be forgotten.
USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 10:07:50
Lisa: Yes, Carl even made it over here one time for a chowder delivery. Twenty eight years ago, and recently divorced in CT, I met a wonderful woman who casually mentioned she had a summer house on the beach in Eastham. We have been here for 25 years, year round.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 10:05:25
Anna. Every time I eat chowder I think of Carl who so generously drove portions of chowder to all his friends and even some acquaintances. I was lucky to be one of them. And Carol who helped him keep up the custom when his COPD made it difficult for him is also a Chatham treasure.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 11:55:31
Richard: Bonnie, Judy, Nancy and I still keep in touch. I have even forgiven Bonnie for using her considerable energy and talent to keep Orleans History alive rather than focusing on Chatham. And you; how did you end up in Eastham?
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 11:40:11
Sylvia + Barry,

Regarding the bike path etiquette, I believe your approach is just fine. Here is what the Brewster police posted to their facebook page this summer which seems consistent with what you do.

"For Cyclists: As you approach the road crossings on the bike path you will notice stop signs...those are for you. Cyclists are required to stop. There is no legal requirement that you dismount your bike, however, if you opt to stay on your bike you are treated just like a motorist attempting to cross from a side street. If the approaching vehicles decide to stop and let you cross, that is a courtesy, and it is very important to note, that just because traffic coming from one direction has stopped, does not mean traffic coming from the other direction is going to. Again, imagine yourself driving a car, crossing a busy intersection and you have the stop sign, while crossing traffic does not. Now if you decide to dismount your bike and walk it are afforded all the rights of a pedestrian.

For Motorists: Many of our bike path crossings have a new flashing light warning system (see attached photo). If these are flashing, it means someone may be approaching a crossing. This could be a pedestrian, a cyclist, or maybe even Bambi looking for his family. If you see the lights activated, it makes sense to slow down as you approach the crossing. If you see a pedestrian entering the crosswalk, including someone who is walking their bike, you are required to yield the right of way. If you see a cyclists and you wish to stop for them...that is mighty kind of you. Please, however, do not lock up your brakes to extend that courtesy...unless of course you are on a collision course with someone. Sudden braking could result in you becoming a lot more familiar with the person traveling behind you than you would probably like."

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