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Is this what they call "Asset Enhancement"?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/09/2018 - 19:14:44
Ha ha! Marshville is the NEW Chatham! A new McMansion on every street, built by Bill Marsh owner of Eastward Co. two more on my street.....Queen Anne Rd.....! Come back more often to your hometown, before you can't recognize it.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 12/09/2018 - 19:09:25
Emily: I guess I was trying to show how the loss of electricity region wide for an extended period, (due to hackers compromising the grid,) on the Lower Cape would be somewhat ameliorated by access to food from the bays and ocean.
Where is Marshville?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/09/2018 - 17:10:00
Folks: Hope that all goes well with the Chat-M-Room gang. We haven't been on in a while. The posts (historical and local modern political issues) remain of great interest to our family. Since selling our place, we still visit and think of Chatham often. Kicking the tires on making a move to return. While expensive, it seems that a number of the long term "family homes" are, or were, recently on the market. Kind of cool, albeit, a bit sad too. The best of the Holiday season to you all. Warm regards.
Ned and Julie Chapman <>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Sun 12/09/2018 - 13:34:38
So many posters here wish to dwell in the past, however memories are usually fonder than reality. Still a fan of appreciating and having an awareness of life itself rather than just "things."

I kind of enjoy Judy P's, Judith W's Elaine's positioning towards matters: be a presence in your present and let no one refute your future

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/09/2018 - 12:18:58
Richard please explain what the loss of the power grid and "preppers" has to do with losing Chatham's character. I am wondering how many fishermen we observe at the Fish Pier are making a good living fishing and/or are living in Chatham. Oh sorry....I meant "Marshville".
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 12/09/2018 - 10:42:48
I am reading a book by Ted Koppel (Lights Out) which has to do with the possibility of the power grid being taken down by hackers. It mentions a group of folks called "preppers'. They are folks who are getting ready for whatever calamity might come along, including Nuclear, Biological or Chemical (NBC) warfare. Seems like the good folks of Cape Cod, who have access to harvesting seafood such as quahogs and soft shelled clams and razor clams, maybe skate wings and God forbid, dogfish, might get by just fine.
Just need some way to cook them up for consumption.
Having been reading this Room for many years I suspect there are some "preppers" out there.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/08/2018 - 19:31:12 long as people fight to remember them."

Oh - it's John Koski; not sure where "Bob" came from. (Sorry John....fat-fingered it)

USA - Sat 12/08/2018 - 18:48:55

Don't roll over so easily. There are many of us who realize the contributions made by your family and others similarly situated. That's what makes/made Chatham...Chatham. We are on the cusp of losing that character...if it already hasn't been lost. I am fond of looking at the pictures of the town in the late 1880's and early 1900's. Back when it was a struggle to live, there wasn't really a "tourism industry" as it is today, and people fought hard to put clothes on their backs and food in the mouths of their family.
That way of life is gone. It is almost forgotten what with the influx of dollars and McMansions sprouting up, malignantly eating at the core fabric of the old town. The shanties, the dories, the drying fish nets on the common - all a thing of the past.
Now we have "swells from Wellesley" complaining that their cocktail hour is disturbed by the happy shouts of skydivers at 10,000 feet. Part-timers who complain of the smell and "unsightliness" of Bob Koski's lobster traps stored in military precision for the winter in Riverbay. The bullies from Brockton fighting at the town landings during Bass season. It's a sad embarrassment.
The very character and quaintness that made the town "Chatham" is what will destroy it. The influx of hubris and rudeness is pushing out the workers, the skiff men, the flats men of yore. There are no more Jake Worth's. No more David Ryders. No more Nathan Hardings.
At some point we need to stop and take a breath. Close your eyes and listen to what is going on - you'll hear the discontent rustling in the brush, the malevolence whistling in the wind, the lack of common courtesy blowing through the dunes. The town may very well be lost. What made it great might be its demise. But, don't so easily give up on the memories. Men such as your Dad will never be forgotten so long as people figh

USA - Sat 12/08/2018 - 18:46:18
Okay. The micronutrients available to the quahog babies at the Stage Harbor site are maybe the same as at the Chatham Fish Pier. Is there room at the soon to be updated Fish pier for this project?

By the way at some time past there was a move to name the Bar Cliff Road Extension the Dave Ryder Way. There was one property owner who objected to having her maIling address changed, so we dropped the idea. Get her concern.
Actually, it was Captain Dave Ryder who came up with the idea that there should be an elevated viewing platform above the work area at the Pier. Maybe there should be some sort of bronze plaque, stating Daves contributions to the site.
He, after all, fished out of Chatham for 56 years, starting before 1940, before the Fish Pier was built in 1946.
Not very many men, singly, have contributed to feeding as many people as David Folger Ryder did.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/08/2018 - 17:52:34
Richard - as you pointed out, there are a multitude of places with a view. I think the issue here is why is the upweller being crammed into that little spot when there are so many other places that would suffice. In the summer I ride my bike in that area at 5:30 a.m. - folks are there then. In the cooler months there are still folks there. One of the other major issues I see is with all the activity there with walkers, shell fishermen, boat owners, seal tours along with the Coast Guard - there is little parking. That will be another nightmare. No one is against this - we are just questioning the location for it.
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 12/07/2018 - 05:59:41
So, at the Mitchell River Bridge, there is presently a nice overlook over Stage Harbor., just to the Westard of the bridge. The citizens of Chatham, and the visitors/renters/ second home owners/shellfishermen have a multitude of overlooks to avail themselves of in the Town .
Why is this parcel perceived as so special, when it could be turned in to a nursery for bivalves, which as adults contribute so much to the Chatham economy? For hardworking men and women of the Town.

Any idea how many people use the present overlook? Once a day? Or Stage Harbor Yacht Club, Scatteree near Ministers Point, or the CowYard, or Hardings Beach, or the Lights, or Jackknife Harbor, or Cockle Cove?

We of the Outer Cape are so spoiled when it comes to salt water vistas.

As a concerned Non-Resident, my non- vote is to support the proposed upwellers at Harvey Bloomer's site. The Town of Chatham has always supported shellfishing in a big way. No time to stop now.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 12/06/2018 - 17:35:21
Lydia, thanks for letting us know about Helen. We've been wondering about her, as we haven't heard from her for a long time. We all have wonderful memories of her, in Chatham, and in Maine.
Sylvia + Barry <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 17:52:19
Bob - you're absolutely correct. I have been a day off all week! My apologies. Meeting is Thursday, December 6th at 4:00 p.m. at Community Center.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 17:39:39
Hi I know my stepmother, Helen Smith, participated in this site. I wanted to let everyone she knew that she passed away last Friday , Nov 30th. It was peaceful and expected. Every time I visited her she always asked" so what do you hear from Chatham" She always liked to keep up on the goings on there. I don't believe there will be any services per her request. Lydia Smith
Lydia Smith <>
West gardiner , ME USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 16:55:23
Judy, where and when is the "meeting" regarding the proposed upweller move? Town website shows the Waterways Advisory meeting is tomorrow at 4pm at the Community Center.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 10:33:00
Have a safe trip John.
Sylvia + Barry <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 08:45:12
Just a quick update: I will be starting my trip back to FL tomorrow Thursday 6 and will be there on Monday if all goes as planned. However, HCoop who hosts this site has notified me that they are moving to another provider for their services during that time so obviously if there's any issues, I will NOT be able to address them while on road, ok? Thus if this site doesn't work for some of that time, it's a bit out of my control and you'll just have to wait until it's fixed. It's supposed to be seemless transition but I have my doubts.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 08:27:57
Bill - I just found out there is a Waterways Meeting today. Several folks will be going to discuss the size of this massive upweller. They are adamantly opposed as well since the view will be blocked. I hope folks that don't work will be able to attend.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 12/05/2018 - 06:03:18
Bill - I don't think you're alone in your opinion. It's really been eye opening watching our town being torn down and built up with these horrible McMansions. Wait until the Accessory Dwelling Units (ADU) are approved and a whole new level of massive building appears.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 12/04/2018 - 06:18:45
Not so sure that Harvey Bloomer's shed can qualify as a "clam shack" although the vista is certainly special. (Did Harvey ever go clamming?) The millions of seed quahogs that are generated by the present upwellers at what we knew as "Alton Kenny's Marine Railway" are special too..

Many Chatham families are very appreciative of the iconic view, but also recognize the need for sustainable aquaculture. Isn't the latin name for these farm raised bivalves "mercenaria mercenaria notata"? Notata meaning there is a different appearance, a notation if you will, to the shell. As in rays.

The mercenary connection goes back to the native Americans use of purple quahog shells (wampum) as money.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 12/03/2018 - 17:19:52
We (Bill and Nancy) understand the need for a new upwheller. But does it HAVE to spoil one of the most beautiful views in town? Not only are we seeing the lovely old homes destroyed, we're also on the verge of ruining a wonderful spot in town. Saving the one iconic clam shack and providing a small viewing area was admirable. But bringing another new attraction to that already overcrowded area seems really foolish.
Bill Koerner <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/02/2018 - 13:59:20
The CG 36500 will not be delivering Santa to the Fish Pier on Sunday, Dec 2. The predicted weather conditions are not favorable for the kids , or for Santa. The CG 36500 and her present crew can and could deliver, but Santa understandably wants to keep somewhat dry. The Coast Guard can provide good coverage for him and can deliver Santa on one of their 42 footers.

In my humble opinion, the Orleans Historical Society (thanks to Don. St. Pierre and many others) has kept this boat in good condition since 1981. She could still be called on to do what ever she was designed to handle. Chatham Bar? Boston, Salem, New London, Nantucket, Point Judith, Provincetown, Harwich, Hyannis, Barnstable, been there, done that.

We took her to Cuttyhunk Island, and Menemsha from Rock Harbor last August with no problems. Very proud of the volunteer crew that keeps her going.

Richard G. Ryder
Operations Manager, CG36500

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/01/2018 - 18:10:06
Bruce reported there was no structural damage to his home; however, wall hangings, shelves etc were all over the place. He has no power. Said to tell everyone they are fine.

On another note, I dropped off some toys etc. today for Toys for Tots with the Police Dept at Job Lot. Folks were very generous. I was told all presents stay on Cape. Thanks to Chatham PD for collecting these for those less fortunate.

WChatham, MA USA - Sat 12/01/2018 - 17:47:25
I saw some photos that Dana sent of the inside of his home... pretty scary, but I think he survived it.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/01/2018 - 05:35:16
Any word from Mr. Reddish in Anchorage, AK? Bruce, hope you are ok. How is it out there right now?
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 11/30/2018 - 23:22:05
Chatham Fish & Lobster also had Bay Scallops when I was in there on Tuesday. I paid about $28 for 3/4 of a pound! But they were really yummy!
James J Dempey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 11/30/2018 - 20:07:53
For those that might want to know, Chatham Fish and Lobster has Codfish checks available. I saw them this morning and thought they looked good and I have carved a lot of Cod checks. My wonderful wife cooked them up and they were great! I recommend!! Also they were the second lowest priced fish in the place.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/30/2018 - 20:03:15
Kudos to common sense Shark/Seal Letters in this week's Chronicle. As I keep hearing about using our phenomenal brains to scramble DNA and possibly even resurrect dinosaurs, I question the fact that we cannot even manage to coexist with the flora & fauna we already have!!! As I sit here typing I remember the final scene of the 1st Jurassic Park as the T-Rex roars over his new domain and the flashy banner slips meekly to the ground. Who's top of the food chain?
USA - Wed 11/28/2018 - 15:48:52
I watched all of the discussion about a new Senior Center this morning. Not only was my mind changed, but I was impressed with so many good arguments from so many intelligent and well spoken citizens of all ages. The Selectmen listened and they changed their thinking. That alone is encouraging!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 11/27/2018 - 16:11:24
Does anyone else remember the huge spot light located on Water Street in the 1940's? I believe it was used to measure the ceiling of the clouds probably for the Coast Guard.
Bill Koerner <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/27/2018 - 13:49:19
Thanks, Judy! I was not able to see the live issue...not the Town. I will see it in the video archives tomorrow. I am FOR any way to make affordable housing for our young families.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 11/26/2018 - 21:00:18
Emily- They were discussing retaining enough of that parcel for affordable housing. I am wondering how it will go over at Town Meeting?
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 11/26/2018 - 20:54:36
Don't we have enough issues with seniors driving on our roads? Yes, I know we have a wonderful bus to provide rides, etc., but we might be shuffling off oldsters to a land that could be developed into low cost housing for young worker families and fishermen. Just doesn't figure to me......I could be there soon!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 11/26/2018 - 20:28:43
Sounds as though the BOS is leaning towards Middle Road and building a new COA. Several folks mentioned there is no need to build a 14K square foot building, nor do the citizens want to give them carte blanche to build another palace . It shall be interesting see see what happens in the long term. I found it interesting that senior folks are for the new building; yet several folks in my age group have said they probably would never use it.
W Chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/26/2018 - 19:02:06
Ben H: Tear-downs in Chatham seem to be generational in our family. I forgot to mention that my Grandparents' home on Old Harbor Road was razed years ago so the telephone company could move their office diagonally across the street from their previous site. So 3 generations in our family have seen unnecessary changes. Who and Where is next?? Yes, Ben, you and I do have wonderful memories of our beloved Chatham and I have a stack of Chatham books on my coffee table to remind me of those special places and good times. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 11/22/2018 - 18:27:50
PS You must do it before Dec. 15th.
Donald St. Pierre <>
N. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/22/2018 - 10:10:40
If any of you are in the Medicare drug program and you are with AARP, may I suggest that you should contact the Council On Aging and speak to the Shine Rep. By switching to another plan I saved over $700 a year.. (Same coverage). They suggest that you check every year. AND ITS FREE DON
Donald St. Pierre <>
N. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/22/2018 - 10:08:54
Back at ya Ben and all the folks. 0625 here in San Antonio and getting ready for "The Crazy."

Have a great day.

USA - Thu 11/22/2018 - 07:26:12
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/22/2018 - 05:50:02
Thanks to all for those Thanksgiving Wishes and right back to you! Also, tomorrow brings back a very dark moment in history with John F. Kennedy Assassination, now 55 years ago
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/21/2018 - 12:45:43
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone on the CHAT-M-Room.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/21/2018 - 08:59:48
Wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and safe holiday travel.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/21/2018 - 07:00:37
As you who love Chatham year-round watch the day-to-day disappearances like slow torture, those of us who don't get there but every few years are in shock when we see...or DON'T see our beloved landmarks. We can no longer come home...only just pass through, seeking ghosts...
USA - Tue 11/20/2018 - 13:07:59
You can say goodby to West Chatham also, because its happening.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/20/2018 - 09:45:58
I lived in Harbor Coves for 24 years before it became a target area for developers. When homes came on the market, they were usually purchased in order to be torn down. Lots were clear cut in order to build massive houses much larger than those which existed before. I heard one real estate agent who sits on the zoning board refer to the neighborhood as "tired". I know this issue does not seem to concern the powers that be in Chatham. After all, those new properties create increased taxes. But the character and charm that caused my family to fall in love with Chatham 43 years ago, barely remains. And with fewer residents willing to fight to retain the things that made Chatham a very special town, I'm afraid it may be too late. It's very sad.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 11/19/2018 - 11:13:33
Hey Anna
Most of the people in this Room live in Chatham so they see firsthand all the teardowns and ostentatious rebuilds - You and I are lucky enough to be able to see Chatham only as we remember it

Ben H
USA - Sun 11/18/2018 - 21:18:09
I just learned via The Cape Codder newspaper of a group called Descendants of Cape Cod. Limited to "direct descendants of an ancestor who was a resident, owned land, conducted a business or trade, or performed military or civil services PRIOR to Dec. 31, 1699 within the boundaries of Cape Cod or the Islands."

The website is or you can contact the "registrar general", Kimberly Nagy, at

Not sure where this might lead, but I do believe the Goulds and Ryders do qualify, along with , of course, the Nickersons . Not sure about the Eldredges/Eldridges.

(If this doesn't stir up some responses, nothing will.)

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/18/2018 - 17:11:36
Sadly, Stage Harbor Road, formerly Atwood Street, with many 18th century homes of the Joseph Atwood descendants, refused to become a National Historic District.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sun 11/18/2018 - 00:34:47
Anna, Went by your old house @ 85 Middle Rd. and it looks just about the same as when Carlton built it but you would not recognize the neighborhood. I did not and was there a year or so ago. The tear downs and rebuilds are incredible over all of Harbor Coves.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 11/17/2018 - 20:17:31
Anna, after what your parents and their kids contributed to the Town of Chatham in various ways, it must really hurt to see places torn down that you were involved with.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/17/2018 - 17:20:29
Would someone be willing to ride by our former Chatham home at 85 Middle Rd. in Harbor Coves and let me know if it has been demolished or if the original house, built by E. Carlton Small, is still there? My parents' home at 26 Stage Harbor Rd. and our former NorthPort Restaurant both have been sad. The Northport could have been a great Senior Center with lots of parking...too bad the present Chatham officials didn't have this vision or common sense to buy it when it first came on the market for sale. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 11/17/2018 - 11:30:04
It would be nice if someone was taking before and after photos/videos, so that one can support the case of this build out madness and not rely on the township for this to occur, sometimes People tend to forget.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 11/17/2018 - 08:58:23
I saw a bumper sticker on a pickup truck in Chatham a couple of weeks ago. It read "Gut Fish, Not Houses."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 11/16/2018 - 16:22:51
OK lurkers....what do you think about the efforts of Jared Fulcher and family, saving so many wonderful, historical artifacts from 271 Stage Harbor Rd. ? How can we stop senseless destruction? Shame on the new owner, shame on the historical commission and shame on the developer!!!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 11/16/2018 - 15:22:14
Some good stuff in here lately - Emily I certainly would like to support but as a non-resident, I'll have to depend upon you and John Whelan to influence the best decisions for Chatham's future - Elizabeth that was a powerful message, an eye opener thank you (I never met your Dad but I believe he was a Monomoy pal and favorite of my step-father Noble - remember the Monomoy Mice?)- Alan and Richard, very well stated - Jim P could comment best but I always felt a sense of pride and loss combined when a comrade fell. Emily has us moving again
Ben H
USA - Thu 11/15/2018 - 20:49:28
Roger and WILCO Emily. I feel the same as you do regarding the future of Chatham's COA.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/15/2018 - 10:06:53
As some may know, I lost a fellow Hospital Corpsman on the USS Intrepid while we were underway to Vietnamese waters. He died trying to save several shipmates. I have visited his grave, but it was some twenty years after his death. I dearly wish that he had some remaining family, some siblings, SOMEBODY that I could talk with and explain his death.
He did receive the Navy & Marine Corps Medal posthumously, which is the highest award he could have received. And rightfully so.

Not many days go by when I don't think of him and his courage.

And, Thank You Alan Wirsul for your kind words.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/14/2018 - 17:37:42
Truly, where vets are concerned, the real heroes are the ones who never come back. I think of the pain that comes to these grieving families on this day. And to those who were involved with missions to save lives (ie emergency extractions etc), your valorus actions should never be overlooked. Anyone who had/have a tenacious devotion to duty, its your sacrifices along with your courage and commitment that provide the Nation with peace and freedom. Thank you.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/14/2018 - 16:58:05
I missed posting this on Veterans Day! Some of you may have known (or heard of) my Grandfather, John H. Crosman, Sr. of Orleans. He was a professional artist of considerable national notoriety who donated detailed portraits in pastel or charcoal of family members who served during WWII. I do not know if this was confined to just Orleans or spread out a bit over the Cape. He was a WWI Veteran who served as a Recon scout sketching troop movements in no mans land! Just thought you'd be interested in this!
Mike Crosman <>
USA - Wed 11/14/2018 - 16:05:02
Calling all regular posters! We need thoughts and opinions about the direction the BOS seems to be headed on many projects! Don't sit back.....attend meetings and speak up.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 11/14/2018 - 16:03:26
Soon people will be busy, if not already, for the Holidays.
There is a Chatham Resident who sometimes posts here that has a birthday coming up (11-23 )and wish to say Happy Birthday

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/14/2018 - 13:12:36
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge:
As far as I am concerned, you have nailed it. I served because there was a draft facing me and the rest of men my age.
Now, there is no draft, but the benefits available for men and women who sign up are pretty impressive. For example, if you want to be a Coast Guard cook, now called a Culinary Specialist, you can sign up for a $10,000 bonus to get through Boot Camp, and get another $10,000 after you finish Culinary Specialist school on CA.
I met a mother of a CS 3 at the boat this summer, who said her son was the Cook on a Buoy Tender on the Great Lakes. He had received the perks, and was as a CS3 (E4). The crew loves his skills.

This country has a history of signing up men to do the bidding of Congress. Like the Prussians.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/13/2018 - 19:22:56
Sorry for the double posting. John, can you erase one.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 11/13/2018 - 19:01:48
My father drove a truck in France for the US Army in WWI. My husband served in the Air Force in Korea. My nephew served in Vietnam. In those days it was common for a family member to be in the military. Now with no draft and no threat of draft, those who voluntarily protect our freedom are patriotic idealists or those who are less fortunate and see the military as a way to improve their lives: immigrants, rural whites, minorities. We attended a Veteran's Day assembly at our grandson's private school in Annapolis. They read the names and wars of about 90 fallen graduates from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Only 3 or 4 were in the last two conflicts. With fewer families involved in the military, people are not paying attention to history or to worldwide conflicts and more people are hawks seeing war as an easy solution to problems. God bless those who serve.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 11/13/2018 - 19:00:24
My dad drove a truck in France for the US Army in WWI. My husband served in the Air Force in Korea and my nephew served in Vietnam. In those days it was common for someone in the family to be in the military. Now with no draft and no threat of draft, those who are now voluntarily protecting our freedom are mainly idealists and those less fortunate who see service as a way to improve their lives: immigrants, rural whites, minorities. This was my impression after attending our grandson's private school's Veterans Day assembly in Annapolis on Friday. They read the names and ranks of graduates who had fallen in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Of the 90 or so names only 3 or 4 had been in the last two conflicts. Also with fewer families experiencing the effects of war and not paying attention to history and the conflicts around the world, more people are likely to be hawks and see war as an easy solution to problems. God bless those who serve.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 11/13/2018 - 18:40:37
After watching the architect's presentation to the BOS regarding the four possible locations for the Senior Center, I think it should be attached to the existing Community Center. This option would leave the ball fields and the playground as is, probably keep the costs down, the opportunity for all ages to enjoy each other, close to Town, ample parking for activities for each age group; senior programs when school is open, young people mostly after school. Could work!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 11/13/2018 - 10:10:36
To Honor WWII and Korean War veterans, I suggested to Pat if we couldn't have some fried Spam for supper.
Done deal.
Very few people appreciate what those men did for our country. My contribution was nothing like what they had to go through.

Vietnam Vet

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 11/12/2018 - 19:22:05
There is a meeting at 6:00 p.m. on Nov. 26 where Selectman will discuss options for a new senior center. Two of those options are space children are currently using - Volunteer Park and the area by the Community Building. There is no reason for taxpayers to spend millions on a new center when the Community Building can certainly house one. We have had enough major capital expenses in the last ten years with the Police and Fire Ststions and the Community Center. An individual from Harwich said they house their Center in their Community Building and it's a lot smaller than Chatham's. Let's put our thinking caps on and utilize what we have. If you want to retain young folks and families you do not take away their playing fields.
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 11/12/2018 - 13:39:53
Lisa: No changes to code in many months. Will try to find out what happened sometime soon but no promises as to when or what I can locate, ok? Sorry for inconvenience.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/12/2018 - 09:50:39
Emily. 7am must be the official start of the workday. Polhemus carpenters started building our neighbor's deck promptly at 7 every morning this summer.
John H. My first attempt to send this exact message was rejected for not having an appropriate text. Has the censor gone into overdrive?

Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Mon 11/12/2018 - 07:09:16
Sincere thanks to all Chatham's many veterans. We all appreciate your sacrifices.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 11/11/2018 - 09:28:23
Wonder what role George Bloomer might have played in Town of Chatham politics back in 1955. Do we have access to the Town Meeting Records back then? They must exist somewhere.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/10/2018 - 19:21:17
Billy was her nephew.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/09/2018 - 21:01:21
Thanks Anna. Yes, we were allowed to sit wherever, even though we were not registered voters. At least I wasn't at age 15. I guess they trusted us not to speak or raise our hands to vote.
OK. George Bloomer makes sense. Did he have any children who would have been affected? Maybe Marcella Daniels was just as outspoken. Wasn't her son Billy Daniels?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/09/2018 - 19:52:30
Richard: I am quite sure that George Bloomer was the one who made the remarks at Town Meeting which you referred to on this site. In fact I sat right behind him. Not appropriate then or now....his remarks, that is, not necessarily where I was seated. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 11/09/2018 - 19:30:21
Could it have been Bernard Bloomer, whom used to live on Old Academy Road, off Old Harbor? Bernard was the father of Kenneth. "Barnie" Bloomer fished with my Dad on occasion. I find it hard to believe that Bernard would show up at a Town Meeting, and voice his thoughts, even though his home was within sight of the then Memorial Auditorium.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/09/2018 - 17:35:31
I don't know which. Walter said it was his uncle.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/09/2018 - 07:42:51
Dick, we'd love to see those photos of Ruby and Harvey, and I know Marie would love to see them, as she worked there too.
Sylvia <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 11/08/2018 - 19:22:19
Oops, Harvey was obviously Ruby's brother, and I have some photos of the two of them taken in their early years. The album I have has photos taken around 1918. But, since they had no children, who would want to see the pictures?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/08/2018 - 18:59:01
Dan M:
Which Bloomer? There were only a few around. Like Ruby Bloomer Kelly married to Castell (they had no children) , George Bloomer, Harvey (who had no children and was Ruby's sister) and Kenneth and Walter Bloomer. Were there others?
I always thought it was a woman who spoke at that meeting, opposing sending her kids to school "on foreign soil".

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/08/2018 - 17:43:08
Jerry - I think the reason those properties sit vacant may be that Towns still haven't figured out how to utilize potential tax breaks to individuals that may be willing to invest. In addition, the developers won't make any huge profits so it's not worth their time. It's too bad as those properties you mention are eyesores. I don't see anything happening in Chatham with respect to affordable housing for folks either. As long as town officials continue to pander to the developers nothing will happen. It's interesting that Orleans and Harwich seem to be taking the lead in doing something - good for them.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/08/2018 - 09:01:43
Those words were spoken by a Bloomer
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/07/2018 - 21:00:18
There are a lot of storefronts in Orleans and Eastham that are vacant. Some have potential living spaces over the first floor. These places would or could be "starter" apartments for some.
Back in the 50's, some vitriolic Chatham voters expressed their concern over anyone coming in to town and living in an apartment.
Some even didn't want their kids "going to school on foreign soil" in Harwich. This was voiced in the middle 50's at a Chatham Town Meeting, held in the then "new" gymnasium . (Now torn down.) I think it was Marcella Daniels from either South Chatham or West Chatham, who said those words.
I could be wrong. I was only 15 at the time.
But, what happened at the meeting is still very clear in my mind.
The Meeting also voted to buy a new Huber Road Maintainer, for taking care of roads in Chatham and for loading sand on to sanding trucks in the winter. I now own parts of that machine!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/07/2018 - 19:24:34
Hi judy, just took a short ride to Hyannis on Sunday . I started off on rt 6a in Orleans and in my travels to and from Hyannis I noticed no less than 7 fairly large parcels such as the gas station in Orleans, seemingly vacant, numerous empty stores in Hyannis and Yarmouth and a large parcel where Bennys used to be . These potential areas for apartment development go on being ignored
although this could play an integral part in helping house the workers that the Cape needs badly. There is also an abandoned nursery on the bend of rt 28 in West dennis and then a bit farther up of course the huge old place next to the lamplighter motel in that same village. Give someone the incentive and tax breaks and our tax dollars would not be necessary to build these structures essential to the businesses and their laborers. We don't need another CVS please.

jerry moore <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/07/2018 - 16:06:18
Well, where IS the proper forum to discuss racism on Cape Cod?
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/07/2018 - 09:12:24
Emily - interesting! Same developer tore down Sibley's house at 6:00a.m. before anyone could stop him. Trying to cover something up?
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 11/06/2018 - 20:48:42
Went to Chatham today to have lunch at Sandi's Diner and to shop at OSJL.
Oops, Sandi's was closed. So What to do?
Cumberland Farms was not quite what we wanted. Texted Kreem & Kone, Only open on weekends. Squire? Not really wanting that kind of engagement.

Wound up at Larry's PX, which I had known existed since a teenager. We ordered burgers, not knowing how plentiful they would be! Great lunch!
Good to know the place still thrives.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/06/2018 - 19:26:09
Let's get back to the real issues in Chatham such as rampant mansionizing, seals, sharks, storm waters, climate change, swimming safety, loss of our fisheries, overwhelming tourist attraction, without educating our visitors about the dangers the Town faces. The Nov. 5 Board of Selectman's meeting would be a good start. Excellent presentations! Also, be alert to the BOA tear-down on Old Harbor Rd. For sure, the ground is contaminated! Plus, how do they get away with jack-hammering the old vault last Sat. Morning at 7 am?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 11/06/2018 - 18:27:19
Surprised today to see the former bank building on Old Harbor Road demolished, as is the former Northport Restaurant.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/06/2018 - 17:33:41
We strongly advise who uses Facebook [we do not] to check out the Frontline shows about it on PBS. You may want to rethink using it. As far as Racism here not only in town but across the Cape, there is a long history of it but we do not think this is the proper forum for it.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/06/2018 - 10:16:05
Just wondering where everyone who used to be on the Room has gone .
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/06/2018 - 09:38:31
Do you condemn Chatham on your personal experience?
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/05/2018 - 22:46:24
Is the world, other than me, entirely on FACEBOOK?
Sorry ,but some years ago I received some really hateful,. racist messages from a person who frequents this Room, or did.
He disavowed that the message came from him via Facebook, but I think otherwise.
If I have not chosen to be a Friend with anyone, it is because I have been burned.

Racism persists in Chatham for sure. When will it end?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 11/05/2018 - 17:34:08
Ben - I think too many people are not aware of the shenanigans going on in our town. The developers have taken over the Town . Good folks have been removed from Committees for trying to do the right thing. I wish you could see the latest McMansion that is being constructed behind the closed TD Bank building on Main Street. How this massive structure was approved by the Planning and Zoning boards defies common sense. One of my friends said that she and her husband weren't even allowed to wrap their sundeck around the side of their house yet this eye sore is oversized for the Lot it is on. BTW - asking price is 3+ million and is backed up to a gas station and does not even have a yard. If more folks don't start questioning these decisions this will keep happening. It's sad that more folks won't speak up.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 10/30/2018 - 06:29:21
Hey Alan very nice analogy and I agree with you but let's recognize that it is indeed Joe Kapp we both admire and is now fighting Alzheimers (some of us also remember Al Capp but that's a Lil Abner story) - BTW Given her heritage, don't think we'll ever have to worry that Judy P will ever stop believing she has a voice or can change things.
Ben H
USA - Mon 10/29/2018 - 21:50:14
Alan - thank you for your comments. It's a bit difficult to change things when these folks go behind the backs of others and pull these stunts. In addition they are pretty much beholden to the folks that financed their campaigns. Not worth my time to work with such dishonesty and lack of integrity.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/29/2018 - 12:56:01
Good morning Judy P et al - Volunteering

When I think about what you have indicated, I think of the following:
Hey, little boy, you can't go where the others go, you don't look like they do. This little phase applied to a Mn. Vikings Quarterback, way back in the 70's who made it in the NFL, certainly not with the tools of any modern day player, but he found his way. His name was Joe Capp and yes today he is very ill.

However in this thought also comes: "That's just the way it is, ah, but don't you believe them." Judy P, never stop believing you have a voice and indeed you are one that could change things!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 10/29/2018 - 08:11:38
CG36500 is now safely tied up at Nauset Marine East Marina, just down the hill from the Barley Neck Inn. She will make a passage down the river and in to Pleasant Bay soon, to establish the channel buoy locations before they are hauled for the season. If asked, we will be able to deliver Santa to the Chatham Fish Pier in early December, so kids can still believe.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 10/28/2018 - 17:25:15
Apparently not this Saturday. However, the noted Halloween Storm of 1991 is not that far removed from our memories.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 10/27/2018 - 19:26:49
Should one be concerned about Sat. weather
Alan Wirsul

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 10/26/2018 - 22:35:11
Ben - my apologies- I thought you folk had gone to a few meetings. I know my mom was pretty hurt by this.
USA - Fri 10/26/2018 - 05:39:30
I should have added that the three of us submitted letters to the Selectmen and resigned. End of story!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/26/2018 - 05:23:23
I agree with Judy on volunteering for Town committees, I was one of those volunteers with Jane Patterson and Robert Ryder, we were all interviewed for the position by two Selectmen who are not on the board now. We were appointed sworn in and that night were contacted by phone by the Chairman of the parade committee who is not in Town any longer and informed that our help was not needed we were local and not accepted as people wanted changes!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/26/2018 - 05:02:24
Just read the Letters to the Editor in today's Chronicle. Letters from Peter Taylor and Mr. Glover were spot on regarding the way volunteers are treated in Chatham. I remember years ago my mother and a few others (who are currently on this Chatroom) volunteered for the Parade Committee. After several meetings they were all told their "services were no longer required". To read the article now about possibly bringing folks in from out of town to serve on the "Chatham 365" task force is a joke. One wonders why no one volunteers anymore. There were a few long time local folks that wanted to be on the Eldredge Garage Parking Committee - but were turned down in favor of others that had previously served on other Committees. Ms. Davis and others would be wise to start taking a long, hard look at how they treat people if they want any success in their endeavors. To include folks from out of town on a committee looking for housing in Chatham is absolutely ridiculous. Succumbing to lobbying and personal prejudices reeks of cronyism in the faces of a lot of these folks - including mine.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/25/2018 - 12:35:21
Happy Birthday Captain Robert S. Ryder !
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 10/25/2018 - 09:51:17
How about the perchlorethelyene dry cleaning fluid that inadvertently spilled at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop, which was across the street from Phillips Corn Field, and later known as the Frog Pond ? I worked for Castell Kelly and Ruby Bloomer back when I was maybe 15. Mary Baker, Anne Doane and Gladys Nickerson were there then.
As well as others I can't recall.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/23/2018 - 19:41:09
I think Trichloro ethylene (TCE used mainly for metal cleaning) and tetra Ethyl lead are the nasty ones to watch for. Unless someone is selling a property, do not see soil samples being take.
Alan Wirsul

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 10/23/2018 - 12:27:49
Bob - great comment. How the Planning Board and the Zoning Boards ever allowed that massive structure behind TD North is beyond me. Better keep a watchful eye on the Bank of America property. And, at the same time - our Boards.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/23/2018 - 09:33:56
Chase Chevrolet could easily be described as a "Superfund site." But the rules were different then. I hope some core samples are taken behind BOA on Old Harbor road.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/23/2018 - 09:27:13
When the cellar hole for BOA was dug you could see layers of oil from top to bottom throughout the entire hole.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/23/2018 - 07:28:31
At first I thought everyone was talking about the Bank of America property on Old Harbor Road. Used to be the Chase Chevrolet garage. Lots of contaminants behind the building, where the likes of mechanic Jake Worth (former USCG surfman at Monomoy) used to dump drain oil in the ditch on the south side of the lot.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/22/2018 - 20:55:19
I know judy. when I look at what exists there now at the former td property, it makes me think what could be done with some properties like the former Cumberland Farms store. 2 or three stories wouldn't be that offensive to my mind and given the footprint that the td bank property has consumed I wonder what the size of structure would be allowed on the old cumbies. I know the cost of the land itself would be high and of course there is environmental risks given that it was a gas station, but you would think that some sort of incentive should be offered to help a continually worsening situation. if we look very hard there are probably other distressed properties that could provide the impetus to try and get ahead of this problem. Having been a small business owner the solutions always seem to emanate from the private sector while the municipality talks a lot while doing nothing to actually remedy the situation, as has been alluded to Lo! these many years. My men for the most part have lived in homes that are originally purchased for investment purposes and while rent is collected and the value of the land goes up the original owners finally decide to sell. That is a good thing and helps to provide housing and helps to upgrade these homes when they could just fall in to the ground. Some incentives might help these owners hold on to these places and perhaps invest more in other similar areas rather than sell to some architect to build an 'out of place' house.
jerrymoore <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/22/2018 - 19:33:56
sorry for the double posting.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/22/2018 - 08:55:07
Jerry - I was shocked to see the size of the house built on the former bank property. I can't imagine how our zoning laws permit this, if they do, they need to be changed. It's a disgrace. It's a sad situation when some folks choose greed and power over finding housing options for their hardworking employees. Many of the developers have access to large amounts of land. What they choose to do with the land shows where their priorities lie.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/22/2018 - 08:54:27
Jerry - I was shocked to see the size of the house currently being built on the bank's former property and was wondering how in the world this was allowed. It's a sad situation when greed and the almighty dollar mean more to certain folks than providing housing for their hard working employees.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/22/2018 - 08:10:14
Elder statesman at 66 Jerry? John Whelan and I can tell you there are a lot more fun times to come
Ben H
USA - Sun 10/21/2018 - 20:12:16
I have been surprised that one person, of course, with a lot of money, can build an enormous house on a single lot of land. I would think that a form of apartment could be built somewhere with a tertiary treatment plant of some sort could be built somewhere in the area without posing a threat to the environment while at the same time providing housing for many families to live and work here year round. I am in no way against people building what they want on their own property. Lord knows I work for many wealthy folks and most are cognizant of the lack of adequate labor here. I would not expect them to build units and be restricted in their use. I do, however , feel that the zoning required to allow multiple dwelling units has long passed while everyone thought that apartments incidental to commercial storefronts would address our situation. This idea has proven itself to be seriously flawed. Finding a large enough piece of land to do it on is scarce in supply.
jerrymoore <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/21/2018 - 13:10:51
Well said Jerry. I agree with you as do a lot of folks I would imagine. I see one of the problems with the ADU's having to be "policed". Once they are built, who is going to keep track of the amount of rent they charge these young folks? That's part of where the problem lies in addition to the zoning req'ts, etc. I think a lot of these will be built and rented out at enormous profits to the landlords without taking in any regard for the working class individuals. I don't see this going anywhere. Talk, talk and more talk is all that's been done for years.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/21/2018 - 12:27:52
Jerry, 66 may be an elder statesman somewhere, but not in Chatham
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/21/2018 - 12:05:08
I don't think , at 66 , I qualify as elder statesman and having arrived here when I was 9, I suppose I am a wash ashore, but I do remember the old chatham fondly and it is a far different place with a far different citizenry than many moons ago. As a starter I could reference an article in the chronicle a couple of weeks ago about making things accessible and affordable for young families to live and work here. This subject was explored the same year I got married, 1975,by the congo church thru a mailed survey and some townspeople. Nothing was done about it then and it seems to me implausible that with property values the way they are any thing will come of it now. The limited good efforts made have fallen way short of the needs of the community for laborers and housing for the same. I personally feel ADU's or Alternate Dwelling Units built on private properties could possibly help but getting everyone to agree on the same conditions in re: zoning etc is very difficult. The need is far exceeding the speed of the parties interested in a solution.
jerrymoore <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/20/2018 - 16:00:43
Abbey, as the operator of this site, I am also a bit sad and disappointed that it's not being used as much. However, over the years, we've lost a number of regular posters to illness or death and there's not been as many younger people to replace them unfortunately. There's some who read it daily but won't post, with some saying they don't have anything to contribute, but I disagree as it's not required to be the worlds best writing! Not sure how to get more posters.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/20/2018 - 09:20:37
We have been watching the Red Sox win playoff games!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 10/19/2018 - 14:58:34
It is more likely that Red Sox Nation has been watching the playoffs and then trying to catch up on sleep! Go Sox!!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 10/19/2018 - 14:06:02
Maybe everyone but me is on Facebook, reading other "stuff."
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 10/18/2018 - 18:56:02
Goodness, what has happened to this chat room? I recall when there used to be dozens (if not scores!) of entries on a daily basis. Now days go by without a posting. Sad. I don't understand.
E Harwich, USA - Thu 10/18/2018 - 10:32:24
I'm looking for a local business that also sells through Amazon Advantage. I need a little help with the order process.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/17/2018 - 10:03:12
Bravo Richard and Pat on your dronation to the Eastham fire department.
Lisa Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/12/2018 - 08:33:20
I`m up here in Alaska livin` the dream and enjoying the spectator sport of the cesspool games of the lower 48.
bruce <>
eagle river, AK USA - Wed 10/10/2018 - 12:16:25
Hi boys and girls...I am up here Alaska livin` the dream enjoying the cess pool games of the lower 48. Highly enjoyable. My wonderful mother told me if I didn`t have anything good to say...say nothing. These days it doesn`t matter what you say it is deemed offensive by some which makes being a spectator oh, so easy.
bruce <>
eagle river, AK USA - Wed 10/10/2018 - 11:50:33
Don't know Bruce, but think he might be out in Eagle River Alaska. He had a twitter Acct.--- Bruce Reddish@barinak, if it helps
USA - Tue 10/09/2018 - 22:57:38
Whatever happened to Bruce Reddish? I used to enjoy reading his commentary on these pages.
E Harwich, MA USA - Tue 10/09/2018 - 13:44:56
Bob, I proudly learned to drive on Dick Kelsey's property at the end of the runway and around Ray Murphy's bog. Once in a while on a foggy night maybe, an errant unregistered car or truck might have found its way onto a main road! We started out with golf carts and tractors and graduated to cars. We got pretty skilled at pulling others out of the mud and soft sand at a young age too.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/09/2018 - 12:14:42
Yes - I saw the last posting that's spam but haven't done any cleanup yet as not that bad.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/09/2018 - 10:25:33
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Smithe173 <>
USA - Mon 10/08/2018 - 20:07:25
Richard, your memory of razor clams is non-delusional. As for a bridge to Morris Island, I dunno. I do know that there was a bridge across the stream that fed Sulphur Springs (AKA Buck's creek.)Some of those areas served as training grounds for the youthful drivers of junk autos in the woods and marshes. How anyone learns to drive in the present time is a mystery to me.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/08/2018 - 09:22:35
Whoa! Sand dollars are still around? And starfish as well? Good news.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 10/07/2018 - 19:13:01
Does anyone know why there are so many starfish at Lighthouse Beach? I had not seen them for many years. And the sand dollars, which used to be here in great numbers, are apparently returning to North Beach Island. Does anyone understand what is happening?
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/07/2018 - 12:29:33
Speaking of Stage Harbor, when Dave Ryder had his boat hauled out at Alton Kenny's, I think I remember as a kid finding razor clams, when the tide was out, there. Am I delusional, or did they exist in Stage Harbor before the causeway (aka the Dike) was built in 1956?
There was a substantial tidal flow back then at what was referred to as "The Cut-Through", before the dike.
By knowing the tides, which all the fishermen did, it was an easy run from the Fish Pier to Stage Harbor. Local knowledge was paramount!

Uncle Bill Ryder told me there had been a bridge between the mainland and Morris Island in the 30's, but had been destroyed by one storm or another. Maybe the 1938 Hurricane?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 10/06/2018 - 17:29:48
I have heard the swallows spend the Winters in the Pampas down in South America. Their plains region. Quite a trip for such a small bird!
Haven't seen anybody fishing off the bridge in a while. A lot of seals making a living in Mitchell River

Tony Murphy <>
W Chatham , MA USA - Sat 10/06/2018 - 14:59:00
Richard, used to be about this time the flounder would all come back to the ponds and estuaries to mud down for the winter. Mitchell River was a great location to fish. Don't know if the seals have eaten them all or if there is any fishery left for flounder.

Stripers should be clearing through on their fall migration south as well. I couldn't make it up there this fall for that. Last year I ended up in the middle of the hurricane so I haven't been doing well with the stripers of late. There's always this spring for the run. Like to get up there before the summer knuckleheads flood the place with incivility and rudeness.

USA - Sat 10/06/2018 - 07:46:22
Swallows have fledged and are long gone. Tinker mackerel are being caught at low tide in Rock Harbor. Do people still fish off the new Mitchell River bridge for such creatures? Want to know what people are catching there. Just in case a grandkid expresses an interest.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 10/05/2018 - 17:28:04
Each summer at the boat at Rock Harbor, the swallows come back and build their nests "under the boardwalk". They are adroit fliers and do capture a lot of insects to feed their young.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/29/2018 - 17:11:02
Got a question for you: Where are all the bugs? When we were growing up here in the 50's and 60's, you couldn't step outside without being assaulted by Mother Nature's Air Force. Greenheads, horseflies, June bugs on the screens, all manner of flying critters. In recent summers, aside from a few mosquitos and bees, not so much. Have we "treated"and "prevented" them out of existence? Nice for us, but bugs are summer food for birds, frogs, toads, etc. What are they eating? Or is that why my bird feeder is so well attended all summer, and I haven't seen a toad or heard a whippoorwill for years?
Bob Fishback <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/29/2018 - 11:19:48
Every time a friend of mine who frequents the Fish Pier hears a tourist say how cute the seals are he says "you ought to see them eat the baby ducks". That usually puts a stop to the cute thing. When I was a kid there was a bounty on them. $5 for a nose. My Grandfather killed so many he had a pair of boots made for me. Sadly I out grew them.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/24/2018 - 19:41:29
Can you believe it? Seals off Monomoy have gone from a very few in the 1960's, to an estimated 50,000 bodies! They eat whatever, they defecate in the waters where humans can't discharge effluent legally, and they weigh in excess of 400 lbs. A mammal like that has to EAT. What do they eat? Anything they can catch. Maybe It is time to convert their mass to food for folks who are starving in other countries. Yes, maybe limit the harvest, but certainly do some harvesting.
Seal meat is maybe the other red meat. Think of it!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/24/2018 - 17:58:38
I think enough is enough with the promoting of sharks. I thought I had read this (summer) was the last year?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/24/2018 - 11:55:55
Whoa...why would we want to promote Cod etc., when, thanks to the seals our stocks are not plentiful and our fishermen are suffering? Thanks to Rene and the shellfish department, we have plentiful about celebrating shellfish, or lobsters, horseshoe crabs ?
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 09/24/2018 - 11:34:20
"Cods on the Cape", "Cods OF the Cape", "Oh My Cod!", "Pick A Cod, Any Cod"...
USA - Mon 09/24/2018 - 10:09:44
I had a feeling the over-the top Shark tourist promotions would come to a slow down after reality set in. Just received this in an email today.

"The Chatham Merchants Association would like to thank all of you for bidding on Sharks in the Park. The CMA Board is considering changing the theme/shape of the cutouts (in part due to the recent shark attach in Wellfleet, causing a death. We are looking for your opinions regarding continuing with Sharks, changing to another shape...suggesting another shape, etc.
Would you still be interested in bidding if the shape was for example, a whale, mermaid, striper, blue, cod, tuna, etc.?
We would appreciate any input."

KrisT <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/24/2018 - 09:29:10
I wish we still had Horne Cottages and the Ebb Tide Motel......but now I see we have new visitors to Oyster Pond....SEALS ! Today on an ebbing tide there were at least 3 or 4 feeding on the NE end near my boat. I agree with's just a matter of time when Children's Beach becomes a danger. If only we could say "goodbye to bad rubbish" to them!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 09/23/2018 - 18:28:47
My mother, Alice Wheeler.Ryder, raised on School Street in Chatham, used to say at the end of the season "Good riddance to bad rubbish". Keeping in mind that in her mid years, she cleaned houses for the Hornes cottages, at Little Beach and staffed the desk at the Ebb Tide Motel across Route 28 from what is now Cuffy's in West Chatham
Just wish there were no shoulder seasons. Used to be Labor Day was the end of the "season". Not happening any more.
Joseph Crosby Lincoln , noted Cape Cod author, when asked "What do you do in the winter? He replied, "We fumigate".

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/22/2018 - 19:30:30
Sad to say goodbye to summer this weekend. Not sad to see the entitled ones leave. Several of my friends that own businesses told me tales of arrogance. One said their former summer customer got upset when he wouldn't drop everything the morning he called and wanted him there immediately. Another said they continually called and wanted things done on their time frame as well- yet wouldn't pay for months. They are no longer customers of my friends. They dumped their trash Saturdays at the beaches instead of going to the dump. When I walked to the beach every Saturday there were bags everywhere. I'm not talking about one or two bags of trash either - it was disgusting. The gate attendant said it's a common occurrence on the weekends. You can afford to go to the Cape for a vacation yet you can't afford to go to the dump? I personally don't think it's a bad thing if Sharks keep some of them away.
W Chatham , MA USA - Fri 09/21/2018 - 06:04:29
FYI - It's my understanding that Alan W. is a private/civilian pilot so thus his postings are based on that background, and he may have used some terminology that is typical for those folks which he's now tried to explain. I don't believe he's trying to dominate the forum but just giving info to others that may be useful re drones.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/21/2018 - 02:22:48
You Mention lesser Restrictions by the Park Service and while they may play a part of this air space, make no mistake, this airspace is ultimately governed by the FAA. Most likely by Boston Center, especially if one get to altitudes where they can see you on their radar screens. If I remember right drones are not suppose to go above 400 ft.

Commercial Pilots and Air traffic controllers usually have a very hard time " with low scattered aluminum" (private planes) flying around in "Indian country" lower altitudes (stemming from small cherokee piper aircraft) That is, with those who do not fly regularly. And now you wish to introduce drones with folks who have not idea of what they are doing in the airspace. FAA wishes to work with drone pilots who have formal training-hence the part 107.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/20/2018 - 21:06:07
Another post out of the ordinary, hmmmm. Civilian pilots usually concern themselves with complying with 14 CFR Part 135. The CFR obviously stands for Code of Federal Regulations, which are actually printed every day for review by all industries. Where Aviation is concerned, most of us concerned themselves specifically with Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) which fall under 14 CFR part 135. And most of us just see it as FAR Part 135.

If you hold a certificate under part 135, the FAA makes it very easy to obtain the remote pilot certificate as they assume you already are familiar with the intergration of the air space system.

Part 107 (found under 14 CFR 61, directs its attention to Unmanned Aircraft Systems. Two nice gateways into having an understanding would be to contact Renegade Airlines as already been suggested or go to the website You might be surprised and find something you don't know

FYI New York Airspace (the most crowded in the world) has certain restricted boundaries around it, what we "slangly" call the upside down wedding cake.

If you wish to come into this restricted airspace, one merely contact New York Center and ask permission. If the controllers are busy, your likely to get a response like remain clear of the area, remain clear of the frequency, so long, have a good day. On the other hand, if you make a request on
Sunday at 9:00PM, they might take you directly to where you wish to go and allow for a deviation in your filed flight plan. Perhaps if you had discussed your intent with the Chatham Airport, you might have had a different experience.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/20/2018 - 20:37:45
Richard - Google it - I just did. Also as Elaine mentioned her son has the license and you could get more technical specs from him. Interesting topic.
W Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/20/2018 - 19:45:54
I have a hard time knowing what an FAR is. And, please tell me what an FAA 107 License is. Also, when I looked at the No-Fly Zone around Chatham Airport last year, based on the best information I had, and with me trying to comply, there appeared to be NO place legal to fly a drone, no matter what the size., in the Town of Chatham.
Has any one of you actually purchased a drone, and researched the applicable restrictions? Please do not reply if you haven't.
In a year or two hence, hopefully the Park Service will be able to make exemptions for drones and will allow First Responders to use drones for shark monitoring.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/20/2018 - 19:12:34
Okay. The Deputy Fire Chief in Eastham Is a pilot so they will be able to fly the "dronation" into the Seashore from outside it's boundaries. Local officials are working with the Park Service to make things a little easier for them to be of assistance.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/20/2018 - 11:06:43
As you peer out that window of yours, you are a true visionary and as always, your description below is great. I suppose I am getting carried away here, but I would like to have seen what you have done with the architecture of St. Peter's Basilica.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/20/2018 - 09:34:06
Actually Alan is right. Chatham is Class G airspace. Commercial pilots with an FAA 107 license and hobbyists can fly with notification to the airport. The issue is the National Park Service that will not allow drones to take off from park lands. The NPS does not control the airspace but it is more difficult for pilots to keep their drones in site by having to take off outside the national seashore. Pilots can be fined, have equipment confiscated or lose their licenses if taking off inside a park. A waiver should be issued to 107 commercial pilots to take off from the shore, who could provide almost real time feedback on shark sightings to designated ground personnel. Multiple drones can cover miles of seashore at low levels in minutes and provide exact GPS coordinates of shark locations. Chris Gibbs Renegade Airlines is a 107 pilot if you would like more technical information on regulations.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 21:46:10
If some folks took the time to actually read and understand The FAR's they would not post such comments as a confusion or mis interpretation of Drone Facts, which stem from the FAA and not anyone's mind or on any one meeting.

Again, we are not speaking of toys and hobby flying here and we certainly are not speaking of USAF super drones with fighter pilots at the controls.

Note that part 107 directs its intention to commercial operations of drones weighing not more than 54 pounds with pilot certifications that are not that difficult to obtain.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 20:23:49
Alan: Your "solution" is NOT workable unless the rules have been modified. I only presented to you folks what constraints were presented to me ,as a possible drone flyer, that were in place a year ago.
If you had been in my position, a year ago, and were trying to do the right thing, the constrictions presented at that time were perceived by me as somewhat onerous. Maybe things have changed. Like what? Has flying near the Chatham Airport with a drone all of a sudden perceived to be permitted?
Where do you come up with all your so called "facts" ? There are drones, as I had, and there are military drones, much larger and more capable. Have you possibly confused the two in your interpretation of the rules?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 19:41:45
First, I suggested a solution which is workable.

Second: I suggested that the township work in conjunction with state and local officials, including the Chatham airport folks.

Third: If the drone situation were to be taken seriously and we are not speaking of Toys here, one should be well versed with FAR Fact Sheet for Small Unmanned Aircraft (part 107). This Reg. from a Federal Point of view spells out many of the obvious considerations that must occur when instituting Small Unmanned Aircraft.

Part 107, from a Federal point of view, tells it all, including where you can fly, how big a drone can be, when you can fly, what altitudes you can fly at, etc and procedures for operation that are needed on a commercial scale. And most importantly This FAA Reg provides for waivers for Most ALL Operational Restrictions for which I am certain Chatham Airport folks are keenly aware of. And if need be and with the proper communication of the facts to the Right FAA officials, I am sure a pathway could be instituted.

Who knows, perhaps the US Coast Guard might even consider taking this operation on, they certainly should be included with a special invitation to the proper command, with any Rep. William Keating meeting that might occur regardless of what is considered-the Coast Guard could be the single most important stake holder in this whole matter who has the where-with-all to make it happen.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 19:18:52
I had understood it that while Chatham was within range of airport, as long as they were notified of usage and agreed, it was ok to do so, especially if you're registered.
The problem with drones is their limited flight time so a camera equipped inflatable (mini blimp) would be best solution.

J Hallgren (as User)
S Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 18:54:31
be careful about looking to government for the solutions to all problems. Government doesn't do anything efficiently nor is it usually the most effective at problem solving.

I'll leave that there and just walk away as I'll be damned if I'm going to "mother may I" to government for everything I do. Flying a drone...?? Seriously?

USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 18:23:59
Richard - there were folks flying drones last weekend at the Wildlife Refuge and I saw a guy on Harding's Beach flying one when I was walking the beach Monday afternoon. I also have a friend that flies one regularly at the beach. I know he takes pictures for real estate companies. I have never heard they are not allowed in Chatham. I'm surprised this many folks get away with it if it is not allowed. Has anyone else heard this?
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 17:36:36
Just made a "dronation" to the Eastham Fire Department of a fairly high tech drone I bought over a year ago but didn't find time or a suitable place to fly it.
The entire Town of Chatham is presently off limits for drone flying due to the proximity of the airport. Additionally, you can't fly a drone in any National Park or National Seashore. You MAY launch one from outside a Park boundary, and fly it INTO the Park.
So, the Feds will have to ease their rules somewhat if any drones are to be employed for patrols on the Outer Cape beaches.
Enhancing cell phone coverage for Wellfleet, Truro and Provincetown beaches would be a big help.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 17:24:37
Whatever the solution is to the Seal-shark safety issue is, the key component needs to be the creation of a program that allows for safety to be in place before the attack/bite occurs, not afterwards.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 14:04:54
There is chatter throughout the Chatham about Sharks, Seals, and Safety and now maybe a summit meeting. The Chronicle position seems to focus on the Shark aspect. Elaine Gibb's Editorial this week (which is always well taken) seems to focus on the seal population. Then there is one Selectman placing a focus on protocols for safety and asking the Chatham administrators for assistance. There is the mention of having EMT's staying longer on the beaches and other suggestions.

At least one theme that is coming out is combat complacency and "Ramp up Shark Education". Finally, one Responder is suggesting that there is "no Play Book for Handling Sharks." And Frankly folks, "education is not cutting it."

The closest one comes to a solution seems to be contacting Gov't organizations and officials. However, while all this conversation is good, most of it, will not actually prevent another shark attack without major action. "The stakes are high." I guess so, life!

Here's a short term immediate solution. Create a drone patrol program equipped with cameras, that would transmit live images of Chatham beaches to a central control room. In this way, other towns could be communicated with. This should occur in combination with capabilities of sending a live stream to the life guard stand(s) as well. The key would be to training effective pilots to the drone operation and co-ordinate it with life guards. This could be created very cost effectively and Chatham's own Airport folks could make a significant contribution as to what would be required (maybe even paid interns or licenced pilots) with solutions. One would have all winter to train with suggested improvement or possible pitt falls. Whatever the case Automation can and should be used as to just adding employees with no specific objectives in mind. Certainly a playbook is needed!!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 13:58:29
Hi Ben - your stories about my mom always make me smile -thanks so much. There are so many times when I wish she were here to ask about things pertaining to Chatham years ago. I end up calling Nancy Ryder Petrus when I am truly stumped! Thanks for the fond memories..
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 13:09:13
Yes Mr. W. I am a real person. Thank you Richard for remembering that we did have several hurricanes growing up and some notheasta's that were worse than hurricanes. I also remember too many people we lost at sea. Having chosen to live elsewhere, I look back at Chatham with different eyes. It was a great place to grow up, where everyone knew everyone and when there was a tragedy it affected all of us. I'm happy the ChatRoom is recording some of past events for others to read someday. Had I been there, I would have been at Tim's service, he was a friend to so many. Hope he and Carl are sharing a bowl of chowda somewhere.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Wed 09/19/2018 - 12:35:30
Loved those Tim Pennypacker memories - 1n 1953, my mother became great friends with young Tim and Craig many years later who would show up unannounced at her nursing home to tell her he didn't forget - Tim Pennypacker. I wish Dan Meservey would retell that teenage story of he, Tim, fast cars cruising Hyannis - anyway Tim was a true man for all seasons. Hey Judy, everything has sure changed that's for sure. Went by the West Chatham shopping complex where I used to work as a 15 year old -immediately thought of your mom as a 17 year old being so nice to me when she came to buy groceries never knowing what a crush I had on her. I am sure I'm not the only one who misses her on here.
Ben H
USA - Mon 09/17/2018 - 19:59:45
Kenny, what a great story.
I can see him doing his bear hug thing.

Tim obviously had a lot of influence over things that happened after hours in Chatham. And later on, when he was serving "papers" to the likes of us who had to be served. (I wasn't served in MA, but in CT, when I filed for divorce.)

It certainly could lead to awkward situations for him when he was doing his duty, as he probably knew both sides.
RIP Tim Pennypacker, a fine man.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/17/2018 - 17:50:06
True TRP2 story. One night, early/mid 70s, TRP, Cop2 (both off-duty), and I had drinks together at the Sign. TRP and I had had 2 beers when Roger closed, but Cop2, who had arrived earlier, was 3/4 in the bag. P, who was a Sign regular and the only other customer, left just ahead of us. In the parking lot, Cop2 suddenly pulled his snubby on P for no apparent reason, threatening him, maybe because he wasn't white. Tense moment. TRP bear-hugged Cop2 from behind, told P to keep on walking past the 7th hole back to CBI where he worked off-season. P complied. Cop2 calmed down. All got home safe, thanks to Tim.
USA - Mon 09/17/2018 - 14:09:49
Wonderful turnout this afternoon at the Chatham Beach and Tennis Club to Honor and Remember Tim Pennypacker. Another frequent contributor to this Room , John Whelan, did a fine job as Master of Ceremonies.
What a site/location, overlooking what I surmise is the new Chatham Bar, which is gradually making it's way to the South.
Grateful to have known Tim as a friend to the Ryder family.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/16/2018 - 19:36:51
Tim's memorial was first class the whole way today. Great service by the Masons. The sun shone brightly down on everyone. Wonderful tribute to an outstanding gentleman. I am honored to have known him. Rest in Peace, Tim.
West Chatham , MA USA - Sun 09/16/2018 - 19:20:31
Sadly a 25 year old man from Revere lost his life this afternoon at a Wellfleet beach due to a shark attack. Clearly the sharks are here to feed on seals. Thousands of seals congregating on the Outer Beaches of Cape Cod must be a magnet for the sharks. But, how do the sharks communicate this information amongst themselves? That food is available off the beaches of Cape Cod, now including Cape Cod Bay.

Or maybe the stinky seals give off scents that the sharks pick up on.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/15/2018 - 17:23:53
Just looked back over previous posts and saw from Richard Ryder that indeed the service for Tim is on for Sunday at 2:00. Thank you Richard.
Roy Kime <>
White Stone , VA USA - Fri 09/14/2018 - 09:48:05
I have not visited the Chatroom in a while. Good to see it is still operational.
Does anyone know if the memorial service originally planned for Tim Pennypacker for Sunday at 2:00 September 16 at the Beach Club is still on?

Roy Kime <>
White Stone , VA USA - Fri 09/14/2018 - 09:44:38
Ben - I'm glad you had a fun visit! Wish we had our old Chatroom get togethers again. So many people have mentioned as Barbara did, they don't like the direction this room is going in and I agree. Would be curious Ben to hear where you ate out and what else you did while you were here. What do you think of all the development?
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 20:52:39
Cmon Judy I was praising and thanking Chatham for such a short but memorable visit - they don't make many like John Whelan and Gordon Pratt anymore - yes I did end with a remark trying to support Barbara Stevenson because I too am very tired of Alan dominating this room - I hear you Barbara, so did Carl, and so does Richard - So Judy please just understand we're trying to talk around Alan who baits everyone and everything on here in an attempt to get a reaction
Ben H
USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 20:35:06
Shall I name all of the men and a teenage boy who I have known that have been lost in Chatham waters? I have not forgotten them.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 20:05:33
Instead of acting like Grumpy Old Men trying to "best" one another, I'm surprised not ONE of you mentioned the poor soul that was lost by accident in Chatham harbor yesterday. Can we please STOP the hurricane talk and get back to Chatham topics?
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 19:56:44
I will postpone, except for this, responding to the post sent on 09/13/2018 at 18:17:57 as not worthy of a respectful reply. My experiences in hurricanes since 1944, or their remnants, affecting Chatham can be validated.

Who knew that after the 1944 hurricane, German POW's from Camp Edwards were sent to Chatham to clear downed trees from the roadways? Many Chatham men were serving their country overseas.

The three men named in the Brown, James, Buck VFW signs are three that didn't return.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 19:45:07
Ben H:
I think you might wish to get some facts straight. Any so called "bluster" you are referring to came from a Ms. Stevenson. I wonder if she is even a real person whether someone put her up to her comments by someone else (as
similar situations have occurred in past Posts. I have not seen a post under that specific name.

Yea, and when it comes to your comments about Hurricanes, seems like a lot of posts occurring here, coming from folks whom I wonder if they even know what they are speaking of. I guess its OK to speak about Hurricanes when you don't have one climbing all over you. I suspect the writings might be much different if there was a major storm actually directed towards Chatham. Some of the posts almost seem to be wishing for a Hurricane to move towards Chatham. Worried about bigger trees, I think a more critical thought might be to the folks who do not have the funds to leave or those who have made the decisions to stay, because they are afraid they might not be able to return.

Finally, Ben H et al, I see John a very practical guy who tries very hard to maintain a sense of stability to his sight and for you to be hassling he over my posts is fairly ugly and totally disrespectfu!!!!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 18:17:57
Whirlwind visit to Chatham was wonderful John and Nancy Whelan hosted us for lunch on my 80th birthday and got to catch up on all old friends. Visited with Cousin Jean and Gordon Pratt and family. Always feel so refreshed when I arrive in Chatham even though the topography surrounding Scataree Landing and Ministers Point (where I grew up) has changed so dramatically. I was born in the 1938 hurricane so I was glad to have missed any effects from Hurricane Florance - Hurricane Alan seems to be causing more "bluster" in Chatham these days - maybe our esteemed captain John will finally see fir to "batten down the hatches" before we all get blown away.
Ben H
USA - Thu 09/13/2018 - 16:17:17
"Carol also brought strong winds and rough seas to coastal Connecticut, Rhode Island, and southeastern Massachusetts. Throughout the region, about 150,000 people were left without electricity and telephone service. 1,545 houses were destroyed and another 9,720 were damaged. Approximately 3,500 cars and 3,000 boats were destroyed. There were 65 deaths and 1,000 injuries in New England. "
Just saying. To quote Yogi, "it an't over until it's over."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/11/2018 - 19:10:15
Just to advise of how hurricanes might affect Chatham, Hurricane Carol, in 1954, did go by the Outer Banks, turn North and did arrive on Cape Cod.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/11/2018 - 19:05:17
There is NO residency requirement for any person posting here, thus someone who has visited or stayed here or may stay/visit is just as qualified, ok? As long as the topic/post has enough connection to Chatham/Cape, it's fine with me. Now admittedly, some recent posts have stretched those limits a bit more than I prefer, but it's not proper to disparage another users posts either as I have seen. If you wish to ignore or not respond to a given user, that's your choice but if you believe something posted is improper, you need to contact ME directly with your concern.
We have a variety of posters and lurkers here and not every post will interest all users.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/11/2018 - 12:37:20
Ms. Stevenson
I am not asking anything of you and a Belligerent Attitude such as yours will take you no where in life.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 09/11/2018 - 11:38:22
If you are not a resident or former resident of Chatham one wonders why you are so interested in the Chat Room. I respect your right to comment, please respect my right to ignore your prattle. By ignoring your postings and not responding to them you will soon lose your audience.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Tue 09/11/2018 - 11:18:56
This is a totally Chatham news story.
For some who may not get the Cape Cod Times, but were friends with Tim Pennypacker, it was published by his family that there will be a celebration of his life at the Chatham Beach and Tennis Club on September 16th from 2-5 PM. Parking at the former Eldredge Garage site, and transport to the Club, will be provided.
Tim was an occasional contributor to this site, as well as a former Chatham policeman.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/10/2018 - 19:11:43
Ok folks..let's not pick on others here...I want everyone to be reasonably kind to your fellow users but I will also say that I have seen a few posts that I didn't see as close connection to Chatham or Cape Cod as I would desire...not naming who, but it's more than one person so please try and "tighten up" the topics and postings a bit to improve the relevance to Chatham, ok?
Hopefully you'll understand and I won't have to do more but there have been a couple of posts that may not make it into History file when I get to doing that task which I haven't for too long a time.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/10/2018 - 15:33:58
Ms. Stevenson
Your post has a retaliatory vibration to it, however I watched this site for the better part of 5 years and more, before I posted anything and I did so, because I observed uncharacteristic arrogance that outsiders received who now live on the cape.

I will not say more, except to say I have always been a fan of the underprivileged and have worked towards the establishment of bettering lives .

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 09/10/2018 - 12:35:30
Really enjoy the ChatRoom because I don't live in Chatham anymore and it's the best way hear from so many people I remember. I for one just scroll over anything Alan Wirsul adds, don't know and don't care who he is but his entries don't seem very relevant to the purpose of the Room. Belated Happy Birthday Bruce, have fond memories of working with you and Anna at the Northport. Stay safe everyone, been through a few hurricanes and it's much better to be prepared.
Barbara J Stevenson <bejsteve@gmail>
San Diego, CA USA - Mon 09/10/2018 - 10:14:12
I think its clear that any of those contemplating a hurricane to hit Chatham, its not happening. Any Appraisal of the cone(s) should again take into consideration that the chart cone predictions fall apart beyond 5 days. What should be taken into consideration when adopting the forewarned and all hands on deck, is that some can be placed into a scare which is unnecessary.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 09/10/2018 - 09:18:24
Happy 90th Bruce. Keep up the good life. Hi Anna
Dan meservey <>
West chayham, MA USA - Sun 09/09/2018 - 20:43:57
What a wonderful day for all of you. Did you by any chance get some photos of them?
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/09/2018 - 19:26:32
One of the coolest things having to do with being the Operations Manager, and a Coxswain, of the CG36500 is to be witness to what happened this morning. The Grandson of Captain Fitzgerald, Master of the SS Pendleton, and the Granddaughter of Bernie Webber, the Coxswain of the CG36500, were both aboard the boat for a short ride in Cape Cod Bay.
To me, that was one special event.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/09/2018 - 17:45:00
Petty. Lets see here, we have "Rules" and "not." If you really chose to google the site, you would have observed a warrior of life and believe me you won't meet many like him!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 09/09/2018 - 12:51:21
Bob R, Your post reminded us that we need to get our generator serviced so we have an appointment to do so. With so many storms forming up it is the prudent thing to do. Thanks
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/09/2018 - 11:29:02
I did not miss the point Senor Wirsul. MY point was yours had nothing to do with the rules of the site.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/09/2018 - 10:56:31
Anna, Please give my sincere good wishes to Bruce. Considering what he has gone thru health wise, this is remarkable!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 09/08/2018 - 19:23:14
Since we were residents of Chatham for many years, this is on a personal note to those on the ChatRoom who still remember us. Bruce celebrated his 90th birthday yesterday. And would you believe he has an older sister and a brother who are still living! Anna Olson Woodland
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 09/08/2018 - 19:10:48
Yes, stay tuned. My point has been, be prepared and be advised. The NHC now has three Tropical Storms in the Atlantic they are tracking.
In Hurricane Bob, in 1991, winds on the Cape were only in the 90 MPH range. Yet, power in Eastham was out for several weeks. Trees around the Cape have grown MUCH taller since then. Downed wires from trees falling is or should be a MAJOR concern. There are just so many bucket trucks equipped for tree removal from wires.
There really isn't much we can do except prepare for loss of power for three weeks if a storm like Bob happens again.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/08/2018 - 17:56:46
While warnings are always great to have, one also needs to understand that the cone predicted paths of Hurricanes are only workable for 5 days out, after of which the science will collapse. NOAA will tell one this, themselves.
With this in mind, if you are out in Bermuda, you definitely have something to be concerned about, but the truth of the matter is, for East Coast USA, it will not be until later Sunday before anyone can truly predict the track with any kind of accuracy, if at all. At this moment there are suggestions that the storm will go South of NJ. Knowing this, it could head to the mid atlantic states and into the country side for a rain event for most. Hence never touching Chatham, I guess will see. For the next 2-3 days, the swells should be the actual concern for Chatham and others.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/08/2018 - 16:59:42
Here is something you may be interested in. I bought a chainsaw from Sears with the service plan. Just called Hyannis to drop it off for repair and their shop has been closed and phone disconnected. According to Sears, I have to take it to Falmouth. Strange, but they didn't tell us that when we renewed our plan a month ago. John, I think this has an impact on everyone who has done the same with Sears so it has a relationship to us here in town. If you disagree, I am sorry.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/08/2018 - 10:36:59
Chatham showed its best and its worst yesterday during a visit from the Classic Car Club of America. The Atwood House welcomed this prestigious national group with a special tour, the Community Center provided space for a box lunch, and a private collector hosted a tour of his garage in the afternoon! Hurrah for all involved! Unfortunately the management of Chatham Fish and Chips on Old Harbor Rd. angeily chased errant parkers away (mid afternoon) instead of partnering with the event and maybe passing samples of his fried clams or onion rings! Guess I won't be a future customer.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 09/08/2018 - 06:26:14
At some point, it would be good to have a chat here about the hurricanes that visited Chatham in 1944, as well as the two in the 50's. Was here for all.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/07/2018 - 18:25:35
The latest from the NHC:
"Interests near and along
the U.S. East Coast should monitor the progress of Florence through
the weekend and ensure they have their hurricane plans in place."
nuf said

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/07/2018 - 18:17:12
The Post was really not directed to the teams (Falcons-Eagles), it was meant to be focused on a young man with extreme Courage and Brave beyond what I could ever be. I am very, very sorry you missed the point!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 09/07/2018 - 14:57:03
One word describes my interest in Falcons vs Eagles. "Not"
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/07/2018 - 11:53:39
oops, If one uses that url, its going to where quick, but you can view with a google using "Carson Wentz/dutch destroyer interview you tube" and click the first picture
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/06/2018 - 21:19:25
For those interested:

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/06/2018 - 21:10:37
The Ferocity of SPIRiT:
To all those Chathamites who can take their mind of the town and who might be watching the Delayed NFL Game between the Eagles and the Falcons, here's one for you, perhaps you remember and yes who knows when it ever might mean something to Chatham follks in the future.

During the 2017 season there was a young boy living in the Delaware Valley who took on the name "Dutch Destroyer" This boy was invited to the 2017 game between the Falcons and the Eagles (tonight's match up, only last years time frame) and he was too sick to come.

Carson Wentz, who tonight himself is still injured, reached out to this 9 year old young "man," Lucas Kuster, in moments that cannot be recreated. Lucas passed away 2 weeks after his June 2017 visit with Carson at the Eagles facility. The make a wish foundation and Carson, made this short lived life, the happiest it could ever have been! There has been a utube that was created about this visit, it is more than something to see! The "Dutch Destroyer oozed with so much life and his hero was there for him! If you have the time, do a google search, it's tough to locate as some have tried to take it down, for whatever wild reason, it's beyond me.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/06/2018 - 21:00:53
Forewarned is forearmed.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/06/2018 - 18:18:58
Not sure about "all hands" and warning of a guess "Florence." Seems a bit early to be posting speculative info like this.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 09/06/2018 - 12:20:10
All hands along this coast should be aware of the hurricane that is getting stronger in the mid Atlantic. Check out to see the latest trajectory and especially look at the Discussion section after you click on the hurricane icon itself.
If my cryptic guidance doesn't work, you can just go to National Hurricane Center on Google.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/05/2018 - 17:46:14
if you need help contact
Amanda <>
Washington, WA USA - Wed 09/05/2018 - 06:07:09
Yes John H., NE/SW, with steering and propeller SW, and a marked port list. There's still some valuable metal at the site.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/04/2018 - 07:05:57
Ship was heading North when it split and while drifting after break, stayed in N-S direction, right? And when it grounded, which was before rescue(?), it turned to E-W with split on E end, yes?
After rescue and later, did it then end up more in a NE-SW orientation for decades, with split end NE?
Seeing some pic at Atwood display, it's hard to tell exactly which direction is which. It just seemed improbable that they would be going down ladder that was directly facing waves from ocean, but if they were on land/west side or south side, it's more understandable. Though the painting also makes it hard to tell where what occurred.

J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 21:10:26
John, based on the Kelsey photo, and where the sun was hitting, I can assume that the SS Pendleton stern was pretty much facing East and West when it finally grounded. If so, then Bernie Webber would have had to retrieve 32 men from the lee side of the Pendleton stern. The CG36500 still has damage showing from the rescue. To wit, the bow fitting, which had two halves before the rescue. Now, only one part remains.
We have been told by descendants of Pendleton survivors that the cook passed out hard boiled eggs to all hands for pocket warmers. And the cook was almost without any clothes as he came down the Jacobs ladder.There was nothing for his rescuers to hold on to--- no belt, etc.
CG36500 Coxswain

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 19:35:01
I am still confused about the Pendleton. The pix show it listing to port/left and the rope ladder used for rescue over that exposed right side. But if stern's broken end was pointed North, then ladder would be on the exposed Atlantic side and I thought CG36500 rescue occurred on the more protected Monomoy side? Do you follow my question?
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 19:22:20
Guess I had a senior moment of dyslexia, or a TIA.. Obviously I know the Pendleton listed to port ever since February 18th, 1952!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 17:09:34
Interesting Pendleton Trivia:

The bow section of the SS Pendleton was salvaged and sold in 1953 for scrap. She was being towed to New Jersey when she grounded on a bar in the Delaware River. The US Army Corps of Engineers then dismantled her in place circa 1978.

The stern section of the SS Fort Mercer remained afloat and was towed to Newport, RI and then to the Todd Shipyards Galveston, TX yard where new bow section was attached and she was rechristened the San Jacinto. Interestingly, the San Jacinto was 40-feet longer than the Fort Mercer had been.

In 1964 off the coast of Virginia, an explosion on board blew the San Jacinto in two pieces once more. In 1965, the stern of the San Jacinto was fitted with a new, longer bow section built by Newport News shipyards and rechristened the Pasadena. In 1967, the bow section of the San Jacinto was attached to the stern of the former "USNS Mission San Carlos" and renamed Seatrain Maryland. The Seatrain Maryland was eventually scrapped in Chittagong, Bangladesh in 1983. The Pasadena was scrapped also in 1983.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 12:06:31
Just to clarify my thinking: This is the stern of the ship. The "broken" part is towards the bow and so this list is to port.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 11:35:09
Richard, You can find a photo from Dick Kelsey taken the day after the wreck on 19 Feb 1952 here: That photo to me, clearly shows it listing to port and is consistent with my memory of the wreck years later. A photo I took around 1977 can be seen here and shows the same list.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 11:31:12
Attention Experienced boaters: The Coast Guard records of the SS Pendleton rescue indicate the stern listed to port. However, it seems photos show her with what I perceive is a starboard list for twenty years. Which is correct?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/03/2018 - 10:29:05
Richard - The Town hired someone at considerable expense to put together a computerized program regarding the moorings. They weren't able to do it. Money wasted. I think the Harbor Master does a fine job and is willing to find a way to make this work. The same disgruntled people who have complained for years about him and the mooring situation continue to do so. Of course you never hear the tales of the developers getting the moorings when they build new water front houses to give to their clients. Wonder where those orders come?? from?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/30/2018 - 19:59:32
Good to see that mooring policies in Chatham are to be examined and recommendations made for possible improvements in notifications of vacancies, etc. At one time I heard there were over 2000 moorings in Chatham waters. Is this still roughly the current number? I have an aerial photo taken by the Coast Guard of Stage Harbor that shows leaves on the trees below and ONE Coast Guard boat on a mooring in front of the CG boathouse and marine railway. No other boats in sight. Things have changed.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/28/2018 - 21:31:15
I've heard his stories of the early days Ben. You are probably right for not sharing. I'll give him his props for what he endured as a POW. No one should ever undergo that treatment.

I'll leave it at that.

USA - Tue 08/28/2018 - 18:08:34
Aside from what is public knowledge about John McCain, I will always remember how his maverick attitude against authority helped us as fellow midshipmen (I was two years behind John at the Naval Academy) and later in flight training at Pensacola - bottom line, any trouble I could get in, John McCain had already been there so the punishment was lighter - we loved him for that. He later became a true patriot and hero but never lost that "I'm John McCain and I know what I stand for" presence. As an interesting sidelight to Judy's observation, the Keating family lives here now and does some amazing behind the scenes work for SEAL families through their CHKIV Foundation. For those who don't know, Charley Keating IV was a SEAL killed in action in 2016. So there's a more positive side to the McCain Keating legacy.Jim P - I didn't think it fair to tell the actual McCain stories from those early days but they were colorful. RIP John.
Ben H
USA - Mon 08/27/2018 - 19:07:19
That's an interesting topic. While I have respect for his service to the country, I have little respect for him cheating on his first wife violating military code of conduct. I also don't understand how he got away with crashing three planes, but then I read he had admirals in his family. Also the Keating scandal? I heard a huge list of his infractions on talk radio this morning; however, as Mr. Ryder mentioned, this has nothing to do with the Chatham politics - may he rest in peace.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/27/2018 - 10:08:36
Oh Boy....Richard, you just opened a BIG BOX there.....

Sitting back with some popcorn to hear Ben's response.

USA - Sun 08/26/2018 - 19:49:02
Ben, as a fellow Navy officer, could you reflect on what John McCain meant to you? I know this has nothing to do with Chatham politics, but this recently departed man's death must resonate within the Naval Academy and the Naval Aviator community.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/26/2018 - 18:01:44
John - I did imply that and I'm sorry I was misinformed and I do apologize. I admire your loyalty to our town officials but I believe it's misplaced. My opinion.
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/25/2018 - 21:12:12
Judy, if your comment implied I have clients, it is wrong. I have no clients whatsoever.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/25/2018 - 20:56:52
Ben - interesting - thanks so much for the input. There have been discussions about getting a Facebook page showing Town employees not doing their jobs and basically taking advantage of the tax payers that pay their salaries. There are a lot of folks that have expressed interest in stopping the "less than honorable" actions of our Town officials and there is something currently in the works to address this and point this out. The hard working citizens have had enough.
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/25/2018 - 20:55:15
Perhaps of interest to Judy and others, Coronado has a population of 25,000 and is governed by an elected mayor and 4 city council members with a city manager and staff. My point - a concerned citizen, much like Judy or John, started a Yahoo based group Coronado electorate. The only membership requirement - you have to be a resident. In less than two years, this has become a true power - the mayor and council all now monitor and respond - it is amazing to me how effective this use of social media has become in improving our city. I think something like this would be of tremendous benefit to Chatham - certainly has proven effective in getting local government to listen out here. They have more than 2,000 resident members now so are able to conduct meaningful surveys prior to council meetings. Chat M Room could certainly grow into something like this.
Ben H
USA - Sat 08/25/2018 - 20:29:51
Alice - I spoke to several people today about your comment below and they strongly agree with what you stated - as do I. I think if more "lurkers" were willing to come forward maybe we can change things. Unfortunately too many people just want to sit back and watch things develop. I certainly do not agree with John's comments below but I also don't have clients nor do I feel the need to be politically correct when things in this town are going to pot.. How many of you are familiar with the shenanigans that Selectman Davis-Eldredge has pulled with the Charter Review Committee along with Mr Dykens and our newly elected Mr Cocolis? Folks may want to find out about this. You can also email me privately. It's interesting what a money infused campaign does for some people and who they are beholden to. As long as these actions continue and folks don't speak up this will continue. Time to take back our town!
JudyP <>
West Chatham , MA USA - Sat 08/25/2018 - 19:39:13
If you have money the Town Manager will respond in a hurry. If you are average working folks, forget about it. She will not even answer your emails!!. That was the case with us. Selectmen are willing to listen and overall do a good job in out opinion.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/24/2018 - 13:15:32
My response to Ben is that Chatham's government does a good job. The Town Manager and the Town Accountant are professionals and most things go smoothly. Our Select Board is responsive and willing to address problems. The Mitchell River Bridge is an issue for both the Town and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I'm sure the design and construction contracts were entered in good faith. It is time for the contractor to correct the issues or face legal issues. Enough is enough.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/24/2018 - 12:59:29
Oops. One too many ups.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/23/2018 - 21:51:34
Many dog owners on Cape Cod are totally guilty of not picking up up responsibly after their lovable pets. They do pick up after the pets deposits and then leave the bags on the side of the beach or road. That is not being responsible For someone else to deal with what they left behind. No pun intended.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/23/2018 - 21:47:15
Some of the similar issues I see between Coronado and Chatham (two high-end resort towns in the summer) are interesting so I thought I'd share
1. Bicyclists
2. Loss of quality of life - you have seals taking over and ruining your best resource, we have Mexican Tijuana sewage polluting our ocean and beach to the point we have warnings posted almost daily now
3. City government - we both have elected city officials whom we see as non-responsive and biased towards big $
Ok so now Coronado's hot issue is whether to open a "dog park" (we already have a dog beach)on city property near the elementary school - Does Chatham even have a problem with dogs not being properly attended by owners or is there so much free space that it is a non-problem?

Ben H
USA - Thu 08/23/2018 - 20:05:10
Just heard on facebook of the untimely passing of Chuck Young in California. He was the son of Paul & Patricia Melbye Young and was a fisherman. He missed the Cape so much.
Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/21/2018 - 08:17:24
Jim P
No worries about the bridge, they must have hear Judy P et al, as it opened this afternoon, not sure for how long.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 08/20/2018 - 22:01:54
Don't know about the bridge, but I can call back to Louisiana and get Bubba and Skeeter up there with their hunting' rifles and dogs. They'll take care of the seal issue real fast, quick, and in-a-hurry. Probably do it for free as well; only have to pay for their ammo.
USA - Mon 08/20/2018 - 18:20:54
John, The most basic backyard wood decks are constructed with sufficient space between the boards to allow for expansion and contraction. On an $11 million state of the art bridge with multiple engineers, you'd think that calculation would have been put in the equation. I venture to guess that the ultimate solution may be removing the deck and replacing it with proper spacing-I assume paid for by the engineering firm who designed it. There are dozens of websites for concrete and steel bridges with wood decks. I'd say this is more than a "bug".
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/20/2018 - 11:16:16
Judy, it's my understanding that most of the issues relate to the wood components and as those are most affected by temperature and humidity/water, and there isn't any prior bridge like it to have worked out bugs, I don't find it at all unusual that there's ongoing wood problems. And I don't see how one can expect it to be fixed permanently given the lack of a stable material like steel or concrete. I have wooden windows here that have been fixed numerous times over the decades and they still have problems in certain weather conditions.
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/20/2018 - 10:29:55
John - this has been an ongoing problem since it "opened" and no, I don't think it's ok to expect this. How would you feel if you were fortunate to have a boat that required the bridge to be fully operational? This is not acceptable and after a few years it's time for our town government to figure out a way to get this fixed once and for all.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/20/2018 - 05:46:35
I seriously doubt there would have been this many problems with the DOT standard bridge of metal and concrete but no, people insisted it must have wood, which they don't have any other prior ones to use as guide, so we have this nice looking unique bridge that has can't have a one-of-a-kind wood clad bridge without some bugs that may take a while to resolve as it ages and changed. It's a great thing to have this non standard bridge but one must expect this situation because of that, ok?
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/19/2018 - 21:45:26
Ms. Cunningham:
Your posts and Elaine's have touched the surface of the issue about seals. This seal thing is not just a Chatham Issue, it has become an international issue.

I believe that Chatham's own Tom Dempsey et al, have participated in work for the start of a more than better understanding and the difficulty. Who knew from the 2009 time frame (when they were hardly any seals from Canada on down to New England until now) that the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA) would have had this kind of conservation success?

No politician will touch the subject in their right mind for these primary reasons:
1) As you have indicated at the pier, "the people" have found the seals to be exciting and to propose a any kind of cull now, could impact their longevity in office.
2) Any kind of proposal now for a cull would be laborous with a major investiment
3) Any efficiency of protective herding is doubtful

Science mainly looks at the problem from an "optimal sustainable Population-OSP, (which I think no one knows even what this is) and that ecosystem health which must be considered. Then there is this term of "spacial overlap" between fishermen and the seals, if I understand correctly.

I do not think that Chatham has reached the poop and the stink issue as other national and international communities are now having to deal with.

So what's the out? If one tries to read the law, NOAA (National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration) could intercede should a situation deem necessary. NOAA is an extreme group of smart scientists whom the CG uses all the time, but do not look for them to issue any kind of all out order to address the bulk of the issue, but a more limited, I mean a limited slice and dice of any situation and only under the most extreme of circumstances.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 08/19/2018 - 21:03:06
Sadly, it seems to me that as all of us, are tired of this mess! I volunteer at Atwood and the Gristmill, often go to the Lighthouse to tell visitors what they are seeing, why the Gov. protects the seals that bring the sharks and has destroyed our fisheries is beyond my comprehension. Where are the Chatham natives.....who know the geology, can't get the fisheries and get the bucks back to the pier and OFF of Main Street..
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 08/19/2018 - 18:26:04
Alan - The short answer to your comments is that the 14 million dollar mini Sagamore (as a friend calls it) needs to be fixed and functional YESTERDAY. There are no excuses for this. None.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/19/2018 - 17:42:04
Judy P and Wayne about the bridge

Some 2016 quotes for you:
Ms. Jill Goldsmith: "We made it right and made it safe for future Generations"
SPS New England's Al Falzarano: "The part you don't see is the incredible part"

Perhaps the administrators/selectmen will reason out the circumstances with a sensible explanation. Of course there is the other side of the story that one must watch closely for:
Efforts to circumvent the public or the insertion of a slick spin master

Whatever the case, I would think that the public should be advised of what's been studied for a solution to this $14 million bridge. Is this really a case of ACOP (Aircraft out of commission due to parts? (perhaps better put BCOP (Bridge....
And then 2 other key Points:
A) What was the synchronization for error in this project-was this even considered, based on a bridge not functioning after so little time after being built
B) Seems as though the Bridge has not been functioning for most of the summer, is this in any way due to SPS New England?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 08/19/2018 - 15:32:51
Wayne - that is an interesting story. I was following some Facebook posts on it today as well. It's extremely unfortunate that our current form of town government is as useless as it is spineless and the citizens are the ones that pay for all these horrid ideas. I think a lot of folks would be mortified at the amounts of money they spend on consultants and "feasibility" studies.. How many people do you see driving around in Town trucks? Last week across the street from me a town truck sat for 45 minutes while the driver was playing on his phone - I walked past him and saw it. This town is in serious trouble with the current leadership. Time to go back to Selectman running the town. The thought of spending millions for a senior center is a joke. The bridge is a joke. I hope someone with common sense is able to fix it soon. Your note was spot on Wayne!
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/18/2018 - 20:37:35
Judy, Rumor around the shore is that there maybe a lot more wrong with the bridge than that it won't open or close or whatever. The problem with Goldsmith and her minions is that ever since we went to "professional government" we have hired Town Managers and Department Heads that don't anything about Chatham and especially the waterways. I guess we are stuck with it as we do not hire local people who know these things. Also most of these professionals show up stay a few years and move on. When we had locals in these jobs they stayed until they retired. They knew what was going on and saw it through.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/18/2018 - 19:54:47
Doug Fraser had an excellent blip in today's paper about the Mitchell River Bridge being closed indefinitely. This bridge has had nothing but problems since it was rebuilt. One would think Ms. Goldsmith and her minions could get this fixed . What an embarrassment to the town having a new bridge that is closed in prime summer months because it doesn't work properly?
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sat 08/18/2018 - 09:41:20
Why is the dredge sitting idle in Old Harbor? I am not an advocate of dredging anything more than mooring areas, especially natural cuts in barrier beaches. Leave it alone. Send the dredge to another town. Let Mother Nature distribute the sand. (IMHO)
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/17/2018 - 07:28:11
When Rebecca lived on Main Street for three years, we were both ticketed for parking on the street overnight. It was mid winter and it was practice by us both since we had moved there. My plow truck and her car were both victims, even though the both of us were completely within the lines. The tickets said they were issued for non-compliance of the POSTED overnight ban on Main St. At this point, only overnight parking in certain town lots had become prohibited. I walked Main Street from the rotary to the Mayflower and saw not one sign indicating what we had done was illegal. I went over to the town offices and spoke to the secretary and even she did not know if what we had done was wrong. She had to call over to the PD anf they told her yes. I contested both tickets on the grounds that there was no warning of any kind, and beat them. Im fairly cetain these signs still do not exist.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/17/2018 - 05:59:23
As an Eastham taxpayer, I don't have a nickel in the expense of possibly dredging the North Cut.
However, sound minds should prevail and realize sand piles are like sugar piles,; as soon as the water hits them, they dissolve.
Back before Old Harbor Station was built in 1898, the beach ended just south of where the station was built. Just to the north of the present Fish Pier. The barrier beach eventually extended to just east of Morris Island. Before the breaks. Alas, that sand has been totally moved to other sites. We live in a very dynamic part of the universe, and folks who live close to the shore in Chatham should be aware that in twenty years, things will be markedly different.

Like, what about the large house built last year just south of the Beach Club? On recently deposited sand?

Today, at Race Point Beach (not very far from the Carnivale Parade downtown) a MA State Police helo was flying parallel to the beach, warning by a powerful PA system of a great white shark sighted within 100 yards of the beach. This was within sight of Old Harbor Station!
Too many seals, not enough sharks!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/16/2018 - 21:18:03
Government is pretty naive and/or arrogant to think they can change the tides or the balance of nature. Look what they have done by declaring seals endangered. in their incompetence they never bothered lift the protection. We not have an estimated 50,000 seals in Cape Cod waters. Gray seals consume on average 12 lbs of fish a day but male sea lions can consume up to 52 lbs a day. That is conservatively a whopping 750,000- ONE million lbs of fish a year from our waters . We are at the point of no return. There's no unringing this bell. Females mature at about 5 yrs and can produce one pup a year for 10- 15 years. Within 10 years the population could easily be 150,000-200,000. It's too late to cull the population. The only thing that will make them leave is a total decimation of the food source or a lot more sharks. Government has created this disaster and is ignoring it. A tragedy all around. This is what happens when you mess with mother nature.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/16/2018 - 21:12:32
Raging forest fires, torrents of flood waters, rising sea levels, devastating hurricanes and the list goes on. Tiny relentless drips will carve a canyon. "Nothing they do will change the eventual geologic course of that area on anything more than a trivial basis" speak volumes. A what point will humans admit that, of all the innovations we claim, controlling the weather/climate is not one? Our meddling can affect it temporarily but like it or not, Nature will eventually have its way, IMHO.
USA - Thu 08/16/2018 - 15:10:34
I wasn't at the meeting; however I did hear about the yelling. I also heard that Mr. Thompsett asked for a break for everyone to cool down. There was a point when someone wanted to call the police. I don't have a stake in this conversation; however I agree with the points John has made below. It's unfortunate for all. It's also unacceptable for any yelling to go on at these meetings. It's kind of like buying property at an airport and bitching about the noise. If you buy waterfront property, what do you think is going to happen eventually?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/16/2018 - 11:56:32
The contentious meeting of the conservation commission regarding the planned dredging of the north cut has stirred much thought; several:

1) Dr Thompsett ran a poor meeting. He should not have allowed audience members to yell out while those in opposition to the dredging were speaking. Yelling begats more yelling.

2)The Dr read letter in support to the dedging in their entirety during the first part of the hearing, and only summarized letters in opposition during the continuance.
Dr, please at least try to appear impartial.

3)The member of the committee who couldn't tolerate being yelled at should toughen up.
Anger and yelling sometimes happen in the real world, It is unfortunate, but you can handle it.

4) The Ministers Point homeowner(s) should recognize the inevitable folly of long term beach front living, especially in that location. Nothing they do, nothing the town does will change the eventual geologic course of that area on anything more than a trivial basis.

5)The town should recognize the inevitable folly of trying to maintain navigation into and around Chatham harbor. Nothing they do will change the eventual geologic course of that area on anything more than a trivial basis.

As went the first village, as went the second village, to a degree so will go Ministers Point, so will go Chatham Harbor.

Folly to think we hold agency over these sands.

Truly sorry for all involved.

John DeLanni <>
Hardings, MA USA - Thu 08/16/2018 - 11:23:20
The observation deck at the Fish Pier is a disaster waiting to happen. There must have been over 100 people up there yesterday, and I don't believe the Town has made the necessary repairs as promised. Also they have 2 harbor patrol guys in red vests to herd the hoards of tourists out of the fisherman's landing and parking areas! If you want a taste of entitlements, rudeness and plain stupidity, make a visit. "Oooooo.....the seals are SO CUTE".
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 08/16/2018 - 08:40:43
The Rock Harbor Charter boat mates come by the CG36500 at the dock all the time, winding up new line in their reels. We get to ask them questions about the prevalence of GW Sharks in Cape Cod Bay. They universally confirm that the sharks are prevalent and love being out just beyond where the flats drop off to deeper water. The mates fillet the catch for the paying passengers, and drop off the carcasses just before the water shoals up, on the way in.
So, it's either striper/bluefish bodies or seals near Billingsgate Shoal to eat. Life is great for them.
There was a shark spotter plane just off Rock Harbor this afternoon.

dunda dunda dunda ----"we're going to need a bigger boat ! "Love that line from Jaws!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/15/2018 - 19:23:37
Apparently the current chief sees no need for policing downtown during summer months - so the answer is "No". Hence the nightmares you've been reading about.
W. Chatham , MA USA - Wed 08/15/2018 - 18:58:47
Officer Brooks was the anointed "Mayor of Main Street" in the 60's/70's. He flat-out took care of business downtown. Was a bit "directive" in his dealings with traffic infractions and rude tourists. But, there were no shenanigans downtown when he was on shift!!!

Do they still have "summer specials" of college kids walking the beat downtown as deputies?

USA - Wed 08/15/2018 - 18:33:48
Alan - is this really a surprise? Chatham Chamber of Commerce and the Merchants Association need to STOP promoting the sharks - it's disgusting and only a matter of time til the town finds itself defending yet another lawsuit.
W. Chatham , MA USA - Wed 08/15/2018 - 18:23:59
Heard a swimmer in Truro had a shark meeting this afternoon. Anyone have any other news?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 08/15/2018 - 18:09:58
Judy, agree with your comment about the need for a "John Brooks" to help guide the ship of state. Btw, is John Brooks a real person, or a generically named ideal with all the qualities to get the job done?
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 08/15/2018 - 10:49:50
At Old Harbor Station this afternoon, Pat and I met a family from the Netherlands. The father was innocently wearing a used Yankees hat. I advised him that if the family wished to be welcome in Boston, or this part of New England, he should ditch the hat and get one with a B on it. He got the message, and stuffed the hat in his bag.
The hate of the NY Yankees runs deep .

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 08/13/2018 - 19:15:38
Ben H - the "conch twins" are growing!!! Little man shot up about 6 inches this summer - no joke. They are wonderful children; I had them up last year and everyone remarked what well-behaved and polite children they are. A year in deep southern Alabama did them wonders; they call everyone Sir and Ma'am and are truly good kids (don't tell them I said that though!!!!).

I'll try to get them up there again at some point in the not-too-distant future and maybe we can all get some necks and chowder. The kids can eat the heck out of some squid but I can't get them to eat necks or steamers yet.

USA - Mon 08/13/2018 - 18:39:19
Alan - in 2013 the Cape Cod Times was purchased by Gatehouse Media, a conglomerate that holds many of the local papers in the country. (According to wikipedia, 144 daily papers and 684 community papers.) On the Cape, they also own the Cape Codder, the Harwich Oracle, the Falmouth Bulletin, the Bourne Courier, the Provincetown Banner, the Sandwich Broadsider and the Barnstable Register.

The Boston Globe is owned by John Henry, owner of the Boston Red Sox.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 08/13/2018 - 16:46:53
Regarding Newspapers: Was'nt the Cape Cod Times purchased by the Boston Globe?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 08/13/2018 - 11:27:39
Jim don't tell me the cute "Conch Twins" from Key West are now "Little Monsters" hope you had a fun vist
Ben H
USA - Sun 08/12/2018 - 19:42:16
Doug Fraser will sometimes have a two or three page article in the Cape Cod Times he has written, in-depth, about things that are not necessarily big news, but the topics he writes about are certainly "need to know " information for those of us who care about the Cape. I think he is a fine journalist. "Just the facts, Ma'am." Remember that?
Traffic and courtesy can only get better in the next week or so.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/12/2018 - 19:25:48
Richard, I didn't disparage any journalists; just those pretending to be so when they aren't. Thanks for the info on Mr. Fraser, I'll have to look out for his stuff. Sounds like a good guy.

How's the courtesy going in downtown Chatham? I imagine it's going to start getting better here real soon what with everyone heading back to put their little monsters in school. Ours go back the 27th.

Looking forward to trying to get up there this fall to do some fall-run fishing.

USA - Sun 08/12/2018 - 11:00:25
Well, I subscribe to both the CCTimes and the Chronicle. I object to one-sided reporting in any print media, and I hope the Times will tone down the constant anti-Trump , stuff. The Chronicle, which I get on-line year round seems to be more balanced, now that they added Orleans and Brewster, but they too, seem to be a bit biased in their editorials. Let's all just get along?
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 08/11/2018 - 18:27:40
Jim P:
I think our local reporters for the Cape Cod Times, specifically Doug Fraser, would not take kindly to your disparaging comment about being a journalist. He writes well about things Cape Cod, things fishing related, and nautical.
He does not seem to know or care or have the temerity to write about Washington politics.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/11/2018 - 17:39:18
wrote a whole response but it must have been caught by John's filters. be careful about terms such as "journalists"; war on journalists; etc. We have few true journalists today. We have a bunch of opinionists and propagandists, but few Woodward and Bernstein's.

Take a breath, go to the beach and squiggle your toes in the sand; go fishing. Get some fried clams from Captain Frosty's. Don't let the current rudeness and lack of civil discourse rampant in society and amongst the tourists visiting the Cape ruin your world. Life's too short.

USA - Sat 08/11/2018 - 10:45:24
Richard - I subscribe to the Cape Cod Times and the Cape Cod Chronicle. When I lived off Cape I subscribed to the Boston Globe because it was the only paper delivered before 5 a.m.. The Globe had great recipes and I was told their sports reporting was great. Since moving back home several years ago I have noticed how horrible the Cape Cod Times is and yet there are some articles that are interesting occasionally. The Chronicle is going downhill - their reporting of Town issues is horrid and their weekly interviews of people are not interesting at all. How about interviewing locals that have fished here all their lives? Surely Tim and Alan could do a better job of reporting Town issues more accurately.
A. Chatham , MA USA - Fri 08/10/2018 - 20:06:28
Curious to know among the responders to this subject, just which paper do you actually read, in hand, or do you get your news from another source?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/10/2018 - 19:44:02
I am a big newspaper and magazine guy. The Cape Cod Time does a fine job, for what it is. A Cape paper and a good coverage of Cape news. The Globe Sports Page is one of the best in the USA. USA Today has great sports and national coverage. Coverage on TV is limited to soundbites. I watch a great deal of sports on TV. I recognize that very few people are as interested in sports as I am. This Red Sox season is a treat. And the Patriots, over the years, have been fantastic. We are so lucky in New England to have great teams to follow.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/10/2018 - 19:41:24
Speaking of newspapers - so glad to hear the Chronicle is going to participate in an effort to "protect free press" in view of Trump's attack on journalism. Maybe if they reported stories accurately and non biased they wouldn't have to participate in such a degrading exercise in futility. No matter what your political viewpoint this paper is left leaning and accurate non biased reporting regarding Town issues is a joke.
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/10/2018 - 19:23:41
On the rare occasion that I have not received my Cape Cod Times, I am like a caged animal! The scores from previous night's Red Sox games are most often not posted as the games are over too late. I enjoy every part of the paper. There is nothing like having it in my hands while enjoying my morning coffee.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 08/09/2018 - 20:38:39
The Cape Cod Times is adequate, just adequate...John Whelan, and I beg to differ with you on their Sports coverage. Their deadline is too early to catch anything you might want to know, they force you to rely on the 'net to catch scores and such. I don't really look at the Sports anymore, I read the paper every day and the sports coverage is so over. Nothing new there. Used to be more up-to-date than the Globe. We still get the Times because Mom loves the crossword puzzle!!! I like Cynthia Stead's column too.
Amy Tag <>
HARWICH PORT, MA USA - Thu 08/09/2018 - 19:51:19
I like the cartoon in the classified section. I wonder why it is placed there.
Lisa Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/08/2018 - 23:41:13
Having spent a total of four years in places without a daily, or weekly, newspaper, I do appreciate reading the Cape Cod Times. If I want to spend several hours reading the Globe, or NY Times, then I can do that when I get to a nursing facility. I will have more time to spare then. Hopefully, newsprint will still exist.
Different voices; different choices. All good.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/08/2018 - 17:47:55
John - I don't follow sports so I can't comment on the accuracy of the reporting; however, you may want to check out the LTE's in today's paper - the first one to be exact calling out the Cape Cod Times for their inaccurate reporting on the Yarmouth BOS meeting regarding Vineyard Wind. This is exactly why my comment below stands. I won't argue there are some good articles occasionally, but overall it's not a great paper.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/08/2018 - 07:52:53
I think The Cape Cod Times does a good job with local Cape Cod News. Obituaries and the Sports pages are done well. Many areas of the country wish they had a paper as good.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 23:03:13
Richard - I read the paper. It's a pretty poor excuse for a paper but the incident reporting is pretty good. A few weeks ago a lady plowed through the blinking yellow light at the intersection of 28 and Barn Hill . Never saw it in paper but I drove by as the Rescue Squad arrived. The car on the dock in Orleans was great. Coming out of the West Chatham Post Office the other day and a woman flew in front of me from 28 and cut across to the restaurant. You take your life in your hands driving. Just a few more weeks!
W Chatham', MA USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 20:41:19
One week old solar powered yellow caution light at the Orleans rotary trashed by an errant driver. Totally flat. Local driver or not? Then a utility pole hit on Bridge Road. These events don't seem to make the paper. Like, how many of ChatMRoom folks actually read the Cape Cod Times? It is so much better than reading it via a phone or internet.
Actually, they did cover on line the event of a car driving over the fence and crashing on to the float, upside down, at Rock Harbor last Friday night. Hard to fathom how much acceleration one might need to accomplish that.
Three tough weeks to go!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 19:18:36
What we need are signs saying " If you are here on vacation, please bring your brain with you"
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 17:57:50
Alan - Many of us appreciate the service you and others including my own family have made for our country. We can all agree that there are many unfortunate catastrophes that have happened and continue to do so This is a room about Chatham - and we have the right to criticize what our Town leaders have allowed to happen. I totally agree with what Jared said in an earlier post and steps need to be taken to address this. The Police Dept needs a "John Brooks" on Main Street enforcing the rules. The bike paths are a disaster waiting to happen. There is a voluntary water ban; yet private homes still have water flowing into the streets from their watering systems. Many visitors seem to think they are entitled and walk right into the street without looking. The beaches are over-crowded with obnoxious people. When is this over publicized nightmare going to end for us locals?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 17:14:33
While I agree that my post had a good part of the Forrestal story behind it, my point was that so many complain about the tourist influx, but there are many other circumstances surrounding life, that can be much worse.

As for the incident itself, certainly what you indicated may have occurred, but I think you will find the intense investigation found that the TER intervalometer pins (safety pins) should have been left on the rocket firing device as a safety measure until the very last moment of the launch at the catapult. In addition having 1000 lb fat boys made in 1935, which could not handle very high heat, didn't help the situation, but the Navy will never dicuss this latter issue.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 12:10:19
One of my Medical Service Corps fellow officers went from the USS Oriskany to the USS Forrestal to help coordinate medical treatment, etc. I was on the USS Intrepid and we were due to head back to Norfolk. We were ready to stay on if necessary but were not ordered to do so.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/07/2018 - 09:21:21
Alan I have grown to enjoy your posts even though I sometimes don't see any connection to Chatham - the Forrestal fire really hit home - naval aviators being young and indestructible are always trying to outdo each other aka Tom Cruise in Top Gun - Anyway that Forrestal fire was caused by a "wet start" which is a way for a hotshot pilot to show off by holding his ignition until fuel builds up - this results in flame shooting out like an afterburner normally not dangerous but spectacular - In this case, on a packed carrier deck, the afterburner on deck "cooked off" a zuni missle mounted on the fighter jet directly behind - that missile fired and the rest is history - that hotshot pilot cost a lot of good live and almost an entire ship
Ben H
USA - Mon 08/06/2018 - 22:54:45
That last comment-very interesting
If I remember correctly, Yogi grew up in East St. Louis. Ever been there, I bet not? And if Yogi has been asked about how terrible the tourist situation has become with the crowds and you can't get there, I'll also bet his next quote might have been "just don't go there then."
As for me, I have to go and find one of those less crowded Harwich beaches now.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 08/05/2018 - 13:31:14
It's getting so crowded, no one goes there anymore! (Yogi Berra? Groucho Marx?)
Allen Boyce
Lovely West Hartford, CT USA - Sun 08/05/2018 - 11:46:39
"They were sailors to the end" It was actually 51 years ago on July 29 76 that the USS Forrestal experienced the deadly fire aboard the ship after being at Yankee station for less than 4 days. There was flaming debris throughout the ship, ripping holes thru the armor plated decking and steel bulkheads melting from violent explosions and burning jet fuel flowing down inside the ship. (Please note the situation was so bad, most of the crew even today will have a hard time speaking about it-so sorry if I am offending anyone).

A phone call to Central control on the bridge, seaman Blaskis advising he and two others were trapped in the port aft steering compartment where the port rudder is located. They were hit bad, profuse bleeding and at least one of the three with a severed appendage. "We're dying down here" Under the most extreme conditions (there was no possible way to reach the men), Chief Engineer Rowland had one last request, asking the men to try and transfer the port rudder control to the starboard side of the ship which was accomplished. And had this not been done their are more than some who think the ship would have sank.

The call lasted for about 25 min. as each was parishing. Yes, they were sailors to the end, never begging for mercy and there was no whining or whimpering.

Perhaps one might think about this when you are complaining how bad the tourist invasion is. And yes, you are not seaman, but by comparison, I ask is your situation all that bad?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 08/05/2018 - 10:54:18
Just want to say how proud I am of my brothers, each making a valid contribution to their avocation of choice.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 08/05/2018 - 00:11:55
The CG36500 ventured out of it's comfort zone and proceeded to visit Cuttyhunk Island and Menemsha Harbor on the Vineyard this past week. This would not have been possible without the foresight and work of folks like Bill Quinn, Don Horne, and Don St. Pierre who were instrumental in saving the CG 36500. More recently, we do have volunteers who are doing their best to keep this old vessel capable of getting underway.
As Dave Ryder used to say "So far so good; So Good So far"
Emulator in Chief.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 17:32:17
How about the boat crash today? Speeding thru the fog. Thankfully no injuries. Another example of idiots. Jared - your note was outstanding. Like you I have no respect or use for the Chamber of Commerce or the Merchants Assiciation - too much kow-towing to these groups - and they bring us months of misery every year. Our taxpayer dollars should not be funding these organizations!
USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 17:28:24
Bob: I always appreciated my time offshore, no matter how long or unpleasant because I knew putting up with people in town was worse.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 16:57:59
Maybe what are needed are some bumper stickers that read "Chatham: A Quant Former Fishing Village With A Tourist Problem".
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 15:13:30
Having spent most of my time on the water during most years, I was a lucky guy that did not have to deal with tourists. There is no dispute from me regarding Jared's, Emily's and Judy P.'s comments. Since semi-retirement more and more of my time is spent in Chatham and I now fully understand the resentment of the oversell of Chatham.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 14:39:22
Jared has many valid points. I am concerned that he was pressured by anyone from the Chamber of Commerce.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 13:59:28
I thought Mrs. Ecker's column was a generalization of how many of us locals feel about putting up with the tourism that's crammed down our throats at every turn. You can't deny that the ever increasing gluttony of tourism here has gradually degraded the quality of life for Chathamites. Years ago, I was cornered at a public event by two members of the Chamber of Commerce who I am guessing thought they could intimidate me. They got right in my face and questioned me after I had the audacity to publicly critize the Town's subsidation of the Chamber. The tourism here and on the Cape in general is completely out of hand. I understand that you can't stop anyone from visiting anywhere they desire, but the endless marketing and "branding" horse s**t on our end has got to stop. Not to mention that the "quaint" Cape Cod that is repeatedly advertised is for all intents and purposes gone, largely due to the quality and quantity of people we have attracted here over the years. Growing up here like many others in this chat room has left much to be desired when it comes to tourism. I have no tolerance for this customer is always right nonsense (even when they are entitled, obnoxious day trippers). I refuse to be a tourist ass kisser because the Chamber of Commerce and the Merchants Association says we "need them". If you want to come to my hometown and visit or stay, that is fine. But I will only be as courteous and respectful as you are to me, my family, and my neighbors. If you want to come to Chatham; so be it...but remember, I am not on your vacation!
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North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/04/2018 - 09:44:40
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nelly <>
chicago, IL USA - Fri 08/03/2018 - 12:07:42
sounds like the town needs Officer Brooks back on Main Street!!!

Boy flat-out took care of business.

USA - Thu 08/02/2018 - 19:24:44
John - I did read Debbie's article and I tend to agree with her. I don't think it's fair to the year rounders to try to park at the Lighthouse and not be able to because of all the buses. They should be limited. How about trying to get a table in a restaurant downtown in the summer? I think the locals are ignored. I am not a fan of the Chamber of Commerce either. We can do without all the hullabuloo about the Sharks as well on the library front lawn. We don't need to attract any more vacationers. The town is overcrowded and the majority of the tourists are rude and pay no attention to the rules and regulations of riding bikes, driving, crosswalks, etc. . . It's just too much. I hope the powers that be pay attention to her letter, but I tend to doubt they will.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/02/2018 - 13:16:21
Jared - I LOVED the letter! Unfortunately I just glanced at this weeks' edition and the two major complainers are at it again. I think if I were that miserable and kept wanting to change everything, I'd be moving. Maybe these two just don't get it?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/02/2018 - 13:11:18
Tales of woe with tourists. How many of you read Debbie Ecker's You Guest It article in the Chronicle? She feel strongly that Chatham is at risk of losing its appeal due to too many visitors. She is critical of the Chatham Chamber of Commerce. She is critical of the huge tour buses and the problem they cause. She may exaggerate the situation somewhat, but she did make a lot of valid points.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/01/2018 - 22:51:29
Looks like Uncle Barry was fired up last week in the Chronicle about airport critics. And rightly so. Good letter; right to the point.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/01/2018 - 20:11:20
Close call this morning! As I came from the rotary toward my house, a young girl was walking in my lane with her back to traffic. I slowed to not cross yellow line and had my blinker on to turn into my driveway. Angry guy behind me tried to pass me on the left, just as a speeder rounded the bend, head on to him......I swerved up onto my own front lawn to prevent a nasty crash. Learn the rules of the road!! What's the hurry? Face traffic! Go home!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 07/31/2018 - 12:24:55
We always slow to a crawl when we come up on a bike path no matter where it is. Over the years, we have had two close calls where riders on 10 speeds were cruising along with their heads down and did not know they were even in the road until it was too late. The only way we can think of to fix this would be to put grooves across the pavement before it crosses the road.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/31/2018 - 12:04:47
Some of you may be interested to know that Kevin Foley, sailing adventurer and former Chatham Public School teacher in the 1970's & 80's, is reported to be on the Cape this summer and working as a bartender in Wellfleet at the "Catch of the Day" on Route 6 across from the Marconi Area traffic lights.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 22:20:03
We have a bike path near where we live. The bike path abuts a six-lane road (3 lanes in each direction of the medium strip). There is a special light where the bike path for the cyclists and walkers meets the road. The cyclist or walker stops and pushes a button which turns on a yellow light to the motorists so they have to slow down, stop, and wait for the cyclist to cross the six lanes. Works just fine. Just a suggestion.
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 20:54:42
CG 36500 will get underway Tuesday morning from Rock Harbor in Orleans for a trip to Cuttyhunk Island. Thanks to Ed Moxon of the Chatham Marconi Maritime Center, most anyone can track us on
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 19:26:57
Chathamites are not the only folks who are annoyed by cyclists. On Brackett Road her win Eastham, going to the Nauset Light or the Transfer Station, there is a bike path crossing. Some cyclists, generally lean and mean with a mission, do not think they have to stop. What are they thinking? We drivers of cars can't look both ways at the same time. Henceforth, as I approach a bike crossing I will sound my horn.
Bike riding on Route 28 between Orleans and Chatham should not be allowed. And, what about all those little children being towed behind a parent in a little cab? Not fair to the kid to be put in such dangerous place.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 19:14:28
My favorite of the week: A woman loaded down with shopping bags decided to stop a westbound Chatham police cruiser -stuck in traffic -in front of Tale of the Cod -to vent. She thought it perfectly appropriate and apparently necessary (because of the urgency of the situation) to stand in the middle of the street complaining to the officer about a variety of concerns (since it took several minutes)- apparently specifically related to Chatham. Her body movements- drifting from the cruiser into the east bound lane - precluded cars from passing in either direction, causing significant backups. My annoyance rapidly faded because of the entertainment value- and feeling really sorry for the officer who had to listen to her. Her parting words included something about "entitlement" and "bullying". Finally, having been satisfied she had made her multitude of points, she proceeded happily with a kick in her step At least she finally got on the sidewalk.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 18:22:04
Courtesy & Common Sense are both facing extinction, IMHO.
USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 09:53:47
I had the pleasure of having an obnoxious bicyclist come flying out of the bike path without stopping on the airport road yesterday. He just flew in front of me. Thankfully I was going slow because we've all had the warnings. No courtesy whatsoever. One more month. one more month!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/30/2018 - 07:48:49
It is time to vent! These Aug. visitors are clueless about speed liimits, yellow lines, stopping behind bicycles, allowing left turns, dismounting bikes at crossroads, using trash baskets, no dogs on the beach signs (today a couple with a large dog went swimming and pooping on Oyster Pond Beach in FRONT of the 8am church service!) and I was forced off the road 4 times so that they could whiz around something in their way.....I am lucky to be alive! Please be more courteous!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 07/29/2018 - 14:23:14
Heard over the CG radio this morning on 16 there were 15 kayakers in the channel in Pleasant Bay, in thick fog. Meanwhile the CG36500 was underway on Cape Cod Bay with unlimited visibility.
Next week we go to Cuttyhunk, and we can be tracked on thanks to the expertise of Ed Moxon of the Chatham Marconi Maritime Museum.
We are keeping alive the history of the rescue of 32 men from the stern of the crippled tanker SS Pendleton. Considered the finest small boat rescue in Coast Guard history.
Coxswain, Restored Motor Lifeboat CG36500

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/24/2018 - 19:29:40
I think Anna probably has some great stories about growing up with Carl as a younger brother - she should be nominated for sainthood - he sure kept us all entertained while quietly doing good wherever and whenever he could - I miss Jane too - she knew how to keep the room interesting and was the unofficial den mother for all of us - they probably already have their own Chatham thing going at the next level
Ben H
USA - Thu 07/19/2018 - 21:13:07 exact thought as I clicked on the link!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 07/18/2018 - 05:21:20
We sure do miss Carl Olson here on the CHAT-M-Room.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/17/2018 - 17:24:57
I walked by there one time. I was walking to Ballston Beach from Wellfleet. Very disappointing and unexciting.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/16/2018 - 23:39:29
I know of a few telephone men who used to take their lunch break at the 'nudie beach'.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 07/16/2018 - 19:29:05
The "nudie beach" was in Truro at Brush Hollow off South Pamet Road a short distance south of Ballston Beach.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/16/2018 - 08:01:01
Richard, I don't know the origin. I'd ask Dave Spang.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/14/2018 - 21:50:02
John, where did the spaghetti strip name come from?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/14/2018 - 17:46:32
The spaghetti strip was the nickname for the small part of the back beach near the Truro-Wellfleet border which featured nude bathing years ago.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/13/2018 - 18:09:56
Not to be confused with a spaghetti strap, right?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/10/2018 - 17:26:33
Not in Chatham, but who knows where "the spaghetti strip" was?
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/09/2018 - 21:14:30
Barry, that spot is known as "Stinkin' Hummock"
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/09/2018 - 13:26:00
Ram Island Flat is part of the Cowyard. The MARSALA wreck is situated about 10 miles east of Old Harbor Station's original position. Fifty-eight fathoms of water over it. It may have other names, depending upon the nationality of the person(s) speaking of it.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/09/2018 - 05:27:35
Nervous Nellie here.....anyone want to beach it with me on my 13 ft Whaler from Oyster Pond out to the Stage Harbor cut....chair, book, lunch etc. ? I used to go alone a lot, but need some encouragement without Dick. 945-4277
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 07/08/2018 - 15:47:32
Bob, what was the Marsala? There are 2, 70 to 80 ft. sailboats in the channel opposite Potter's Landing and Strong Island Rd. I have one of the compass compensating balls from one of the wrecks that were burnt.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/08/2018 - 13:22:56
I always understood Ram Island to be near Cow Yard as well.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/08/2018 - 12:47:03
I thought Ram Island Flat was north of Tern Island, to the east of the Cow Yard.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/08/2018 - 11:47:24
Bob, Barry says that Ram Island Flat is on the Orleans side of Strong Island, and Marsala is in Pleasant Bay somewhere!!!
Barry and Sylvia
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/07/2018 - 22:00:42
Ram Island flat? Where is that? Wreck of the MARSALA? Where is that?
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/07/2018 - 08:18:30
Glad you can still hear, there were some in Chatham that didn't hear it!!
Barry and Sylvia
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/04/2018 - 14:45:25
Happy 4th of July!
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/04/2018 - 11:19:28
We heard the boom out here Barry and Sylvia Happy Fourth
Ben H
USA - Wed 07/04/2018 - 11:01:53
Happy 4th. of July to everyone, see you at the parade!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/04/2018 - 03:18:29
He's getting everything loaded Dick, and he's using a lot more than the line throwing gun at Old Harbor Station -- 1/2 lb. of black powder, about 1000 grains. You might hear it in Eastham!!!
I will always remember sitting on the hill at the lighthouse watching the fireworks. The best of times.

Sylvia Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/03/2018 - 20:56:36
The Chatham men who had recently returned from various fronts of WWII in 1945-46 were certainly no wimps when it came to starting things off early on the 4th. I remember seeing men on a fire truck going down Old Harbor Road, shooting off shotguns into the air. They must have felt SO fortunate to be back home. Their spirit and jubilation will be forever in my memory.

Barry: Keep on doing what is maybe the last vestige of Chatham 4th of July traditions remaining for some of us. Can anyone alive imagine that fireworks were shot off in front of the Chatham Lighthouse back in the late 40's? (The Lights) Now, four or five tour buses full of folks would be pretty much the crowd back then.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/03/2018 - 17:02:24
Awful damp here this morning Ben......but I'm sure will be ready by 6 !! Are you?
Sylvia Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/03/2018 - 09:49:50
Richard I knew that dumb song would kill the room - will try to email you privately in the future
Barry and Sylvia - is the powder dry? are you ready

Ben H
USA - Mon 07/02/2018 - 19:47:43
Sounds like a plan John and Richard - I was USN and spent too much time at GTMO O Club while the aircraft carrier was anchored out - To amuse ourselves we used to roll dice for drinks and sing songs - Here's one I remember well

Sung to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"

He rolled out on final and was just a little low
He ignored the wave-off of the frantic LSO
When he finally added power, he was just a little slow
And he'll never fly home again

Glory, Glory What a helluva way to die
Glory, Glory what a helluva way to die
Glory Glory What a helluva way to die
And he'll never fly home again

Followed by many more verses
Fun times!

Ben H
USA - Fri 06/29/2018 - 20:22:32
Richard, I would be happy to play one or more of the records. Ben could listen on line. I have people listening on line from very close to Ben in LaJolla.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/29/2018 - 16:18:32
Hi Ben: I don't know if you were a USN or USMC pilot, but back when i was in GITMO in 1964, a USMC LT Don Knepp recorded six different songs that he had written. One was "hello Leeward Tower" One was "Bad Breath Carl", etc. I just sent the three 45's off to be duplicated in a CD or Flash Drive. Maybe John Whalen would play these on station WOMR in Provincetown some time? One of Lt Knepp's records shows up on an internet search.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/28/2018 - 17:21:06
OK Bob Wayne and everyone - great quiz now I know more about fishing - how about "parking" spots to watch the submarine races? I remember Carl talking about Blueberry Hill and Hardings Beach used to be popular - what were some of the other good spots? I remember Rod McDonald walking through Hardings Beach parking lot on a Friday night shining a high beam flashlight in every window
Ben H
USA - Wed 06/27/2018 - 19:32:36
Who knew that when the Old Harbor Life-Saving Station was to be named, in 1897-1898, there were three choices; To wit, Strong Island, Old Harbor, or Mud Hole.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/27/2018 - 19:21:50
Wayne, you scored 50%. Alan 1 for six. The Spit is WNW of Strong Island's only dock, and on giant tides part of it goes dry, Drive to Potter's Landing and enjoy the view. Willy Wonka's was named by Carroll Young as we watched some very large Cusk come to the surface tethered to #8 fishooks on line-trawl we had set one early morning the day before Christmas in the 1970's. The fish like. deep-water and congregate on small seamounts. This one was 80 fathoms deep and still exists ENE of the Wellfleet-Truro coast. The fish are yellow and chocolate brown.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/27/2018 - 10:08:14
" The "Gorilla Hole" is or was off Orleans near Nauset Beach, I think "the Spit"was in that area also."Buoy Ledge" was a piece of hard bottom just South of number 4 just off Chatham. "Hospital Creek" ran out of the pond by the same name at Inward Point. Best steamers I ever ate. The "Alva" was struck and sunk by the Dimock in Pollock Rip Channel a couple of miles East of Monomoy Point. I have no idea about " Willy Wonkas's Ground" but probably should. Bob you will have to enlighten me.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 21:28:19
I think the "SPIT" is actually a system located on the Northenr End of South Beach, is it not?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 21:03:29
Could Gorilla Hole be Woods Hole?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 20:55:44
Is Willy Wonka ground associated with Provincetown?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 19:58:21
Alva might be the easiest one. She was reportedly encountering dense fog and anchored in the Pollock Rip Channel 4.1 miles east of Monomoy lighthouse.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 19:48:27
Okay, time for a challenge. Tell me where "the SPIT" is in Chatham. Off what Cape town is the "Gorilla Hole?' Off which Cape town is "Willy Wonkas's Ground? Where is "Buoy Ledge?" "Hospital Creek?" The wreck of the yacht "ALVA?" Knock yourselves out by searching the web for these. No prizes offered.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 12:29:23
Actually, Alan, there were two survivors from Wydah wreck!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 10:34:08
Could it have been Whydah reported as a slave ship which turned Pirate? All hands went down
Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 06/26/2018 - 09:17:22
Does anyone out there know if there was a shipwreck around Monomoy that had persons of color lost in the surf? Perhaps a slave ship ran aground, with passengers lost ?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/25/2018 - 19:09:37
Well Judy P- all alone are we----, everyone else must be on silent running again. while the crowd's away here's a couple for you (Some might get this first one):

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."

"We must look at the facts, because they look at you."

Think you would have made a great Allegeny Airlines Capt. These crews frequently had to make difficult decisions- landed DC-9 30's and BAC 111's on the midwest shortest runways under extreme weather conditions. They knew what they were doing.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/21/2018 - 18:41:00
Alan, I appreciate your post. I have also been reading about the Little League program. The letters by those individual are thinly veiled as to what the issues are but one can pretty much surmise what's going on. I think it's a shame when we elect officials to represent the "good of the people" they tend to take it to an entirely new level of what "they feel" is best for all without listening to any input. I think Chatham officials have reached a new level of "low" in their disregard to the long standing citizens who have been here for ages and want to contribute. The roadway project in West Chatham is the perfect example. Folks voted against it - but the powers that be decided otherwise. As Alice said - plenty of regular year round citizens would like the opportunity to work to reduce their tax bills - but that is met with deaf ears. There are plenty of opportunities available these folks could utilize - the transfer station, office work, Eldredge Garage parking, etc. Selectman apparently are going to decide where the new COA will be. We do not need one - we have a 7++ million dollar Community Center that could be utilized to it's full potential - yet this goes on deaf ears. There comes a time when a big STOP sign needs to be put up and the Town Manager and Selectman should be listening. I am curious as to what will happen with the Little League. I hope those parents continue to speak out.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/19/2018 - 08:57:36
....David Portras ended his letter with "kids, not just your kids" He could not have been more right! So just as Judy P was asking about the Parking lot, I was wondering about the thinking about the baseball program?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 06/18/2018 - 22:47:52
A Broad Painted observations and then a specific:
A) when one finds John's site from the Chronical you see a picturesque inviting scene of sailboats and if one googles Chatham Chatroom you are brought to a menu entitled "Town Commons" One can start to think they have found a site that going to explain some really interesting facts etc about the town. And sometimes you do. But of course, if you stay around long enough, most of the chat is about the old times and the how life once was in Chatham controlled by a few. Far be it by me to say that's OK, I get it. And yes I do get it. And some of these folks could contribute so much more and serve as true ambassadors to Chatham.
If you look at the last few posts you find comments by both John and Judy P which are very interesting and provides points of view which you may not get anywhere else. One of many solid reasons for this room, I would assume.
B) Now on a more specific issue, I have not set foot into the Harwich-Chatham Little League program, but I have read carefully letters to the editor by Mr. David Portras and David Alexander. Whether these gentlemen are right or wrong in their assessments, one is touching bedrock portion of the community. As indicated by one of these gentlemen, the Program BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER. There is mention of the 5% self promoting, Policies changing in the middle of the season and the resigning of some 4 officers of the program. However having been a grandfather, a father, a player, a coach, a board member and an umpire at the college and high School levels, the one thing I have come to understand, is how important these programs are to the kids (whether its a little league guy or the Cape League pro prospect). And to the importance to a player, a tiny example, call a balk, and see what that does to a kids mind.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 06/18/2018 - 22:45:13
Alice- perhaps if they didn't hire so many expensive outside contractors they'd have jobs for people to work off some of their taxes. I've been in the Town Hall a few times lately and a young man was sitting there and not able to answer any questions I had. May have been a college intern - don't know. It sure would be great if they had open positions for seniors to man that purchase we all bought downtown.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/17/2018 - 17:49:53
Re 'dump': I had a broken wooden toilet seat that I had removed all plastic and metal from and used to put that in construction 'bin' without issue. They said it would now cost me $5 so just put it in trash instead. I can see if I had a bunch of stuff but previously they used common sense and allowed a item or a few things, like no more than a wastebasket size.
I don't understand why paint shed is now only drop off as used to get number of good usable items from it. They have a paint swap shed at the humongous waste plant in St Pate FL and it works fine.

J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/17/2018 - 14:38:48
Judy P. You are more than right. Call about the senior tax work program and you will be told they have more people apply than they have jobs! That's what we were told last year.
Also, does anyone know what is going on at the Transfer Station? The paint shed is only drop off now. The Gift Shop has been closed the last 2 Sundays. That is the day people who have yard sales come to drop off things they have not sold. We overheard a lady say they were going to charge her 5 dollars to get rid of 2 cracked clay plant pots. A lot of stull will end up in the garbage instead of getting recycled. This will only end up costing the town more money. The gate guards seem to be rude as well.

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/17/2018 - 12:12:14
Judy P:
Your observation is right on!!! Is this what we call, sleeping at the wheel?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 06/17/2018 - 10:54:16
Judy P I agree totally. Such shortsightedness. Keep the populace involved not some remote money grabber.
Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/17/2018 - 07:41:37
So am curious if anyone will comment but does it frost anyone else that the Town is going to hire an outside parking company to "manage " the parking at Eldridge Garage instead of letting residents over 55 work off part of their tax bills and/or employ residents? They could work shifts and feel good about it. What's next? The parking lot by Impudent Oyster? The Lot by Town Offices?
Judy P
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/16/2018 - 20:39:26
Hey guys "Lettuce Turnip The Beet" on the ChatRoom. Carl would have loved this one.

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 06/16/2018 - 10:30:56
MY Dad, Jackie, who was a fisherman in Chatham for years always told me about that night and how he went down to the fish pier to see Bernie Webber come in. So, I assume he was there!
Mike Crosman <>
USA - Mon 06/11/2018 - 10:10:26
Another "small world" story. I was in the waiting room of my dentist (in Naples) today along with another lady patient, both of us waiting to see our hygienist. We got talking and she asked me where I came from. I said, "Cape Cod" and told me that she and her husband had traveled to the Cape a few years ago on a tour. When I said I grew up in Chatham, she really smiled and said they had stayed there a couple of nights and loved the Town.
Noticing her designer outfit and array of jewelry, I asked her if they stayed at the Chatham Bars Inn. She said, "No, we stayed at a white Inn on Main Street." I asked if it is the Wayside Inn and she said, "yes". Then I told her that is where I met my husband over 60 years ago and our wedding reception was there. Bruce was a cook at the Wayside Inn for Mrs. Haven and worked in the kitchen with Bob and Ken Haven and I "moonlighted" weekends there as a waitress. Stay tuned for my next "small world" story. Anna

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 06/06/2018 - 21:30:57
Dick, Barry was down there with his father that night.
Sylvia Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/06/2018 - 19:23:48
Let's find surviving people who were at the Chatham Fish Pier on the night of February 18th, 1952 when the CG36500 came back with 32 survivors from the Pendleton stern, along with 4 crewmen. I know that my siblings, John, Bob and Nancy were there. I know that Ben Goodspeed and Ben T. Nickerson were there as well. Could there be others?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/06/2018 - 19:14:41
I am kinda tired of it myself.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/06/2018 - 17:40:32
I love Chatham memories and the good people who were a part of them - I respect everyone who posts on here and especially the venerable Chatham family names - Someone please tell me why we all have to put up with Alan and Richard constantly sniping or taking shots at each other - I kept hoping it would stop - Please get over it you two .... maybe John could issue a caution flag - You both have contributed so much good stuff on your own - just sayin
Ben H
USA - Tue 06/05/2018 - 22:01:19
Folks: 90 Old Harbor Road is a very cool place. My parents thought the world of Mel Webster and I can remember going there as a kid and hating the wait. I will be sure to look at it when we are down.I think that it has a shared driveway now. Not sure. Many thanks. Best, Ned
Ned Chapman <>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Sun 06/03/2018 - 11:52:20
Mr Ryder
I'll try to be positive here. There were no specific accusations made and would suggest that I leave your question to the Historians-maybe you have evidence.

Outside the calamity of your other remarks, I don't think my psyche will suffer any permanent scars

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/02/2018 - 21:34:55
Your credibility would be enhanced if you went to a dictionary, looked up a word you aren't familiar with or used some sort of spelling check before you made an entry to the ChatMRoom . I certainly don't wish to be lectured by you about Chatham history..
Do you have any real evidence of the Ryder families being nasty or oppressive to the local native Americans? Many of both sides were devastated by smallpox. They must have been universal in their grief.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/02/2018 - 19:29:36
My Comment, in jest, was not to support whatever malicious treatment my ancestors might have given, or not. It was to document that they were against the King of England. That is probably why they left England in the first place.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/02/2018 - 18:07:15
Mr. Ryder
Truth be known, Old George had his hands full managing the Continental Army and I would suggest that he did not care "Squat" about about Chatham Ma. and how to take a cue towards handling oppression.

And where oppression is concerned, here's a news flash for you- your ancestors, (its no secret) did a super number on the devistated Wampanoag Indians.

You might wish to check you Atwood House, for Chatham Revolutionary War heros out of Chatham, I think the two standouts are Col Ben Godfrey and Sgt Hiat Young. And yes towards the end of the conflict, the towns people thwarted the seizing of 3 ships (1782), when the war was in full thrust during 1775-1776.

I'm sure I missed hundreds of points and perhaps there were combat soldiers I missed, I am no expert on wars, however a cue on "oppression"

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/01/2018 - 19:58:33
I discovered that it really can be "a small world." Today I drove to the back loading platform of our local Good Will store to drop off some donations. A vehicle drove up from the opposite direction and I noticed a Cape Cod plate on the front of this vehicle. As the lady exited her vehicle, I asked her if she came from Cape Cod. She said, "Yes, I do." Then I asked her which town and to my amazement she said, "Chatham". Long story short, she turned out to be Kim Roderigues (?sp), who recently wrote the book "Max and Charlie Help a Hero". Enjoyed meeting her and just ordered her book on Amazon. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 06/01/2018 - 19:56:47
George Washington took his cue from the early Chatham Settlers, who knew how to get out from under oppression.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/01/2018 - 17:57:01
90 old Harbor: Looks like you better call in "This Old House" for this one. Looks like the Red Carpet has been laid out for the new owner. Before the Ryders, did George and Martha Washington sleep here?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/31/2018 - 20:21:58
I do believe my grandparents (Richard E. & Rebecca D.S. Ryder) rented that place back in 1905 or so when they were first married. I think Rebecca told me there was an errant locomotive that somehow went uncontrolled beyond the Depot, came East on Depot Road and wound up close to their modest abode.
Given the proximity to Veterans Field , the tennis courts, the Community Center, the Orpheum Theater and within easy walking distance to all that down town Chatham offers, I'd say if it works for you, go for it. I cannot readily verify the locomotive story.
It DOES seem to have a cool history!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/31/2018 - 17:21:31
Ned, If you truly love Chatham and want to be a preservationist, you might consider looking at 90 Old Harbor Rd. The old Mel Webster Real Estate House. It has all the wonderful antique features similar to the Atwood And Mayo Houses plus some small bedrooms and baths that could be updated. I live in 800 sq. ft and LOVE it. We are losing our antique house at a time. Tradgety.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 05/31/2018 - 15:55:26
Ned, I don't know of anything off hand but if you go to and put in 02633 you will see all the houses that are for sale in Chatham.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/31/2018 - 15:08:25
Folks: We're kicking the tires on another home in Chatham. Something with a cool history and within walking distance of downtown is the goal. Does anyone know the history of Mr. Soffey's home at 17 Seaview? I know that it was an antique shop for several years, however, other than that I know little. Please let us know if you happen to hear of any places that might become available in the near term. We'll be down for a while in mid-June. Many thanks for your kind consideration. Best, EWC
Ned <>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 05/31/2018 - 10:03:37
Folks: We Texans were sorry to see that Tim P. passed. He was a cool and classy guy. We remembered him attending a Chatham Chat-M-Room party we threw a few years ago and he was extremely knowledgeable on the beautiful town of Chatham. Funny fellow with a great sense of humor too. We additionally were very saddened to see that Jean Young passed. What a very neat lady. World traveler; politically astute; super Chatham citizen; and an amazing Mom and wife. Our condolences to Andy and the girls. Hope that the rest of you are well. Best, Ned and Julie
Ned Chapman <>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 19:46:51
In case you missed it, you have just heard from two career military officers. One Army, one Navy. As USAA ads say, "We know what it is like to serve".
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 19:17:34
I get the sentiment, and sincerely appreciate the thoughts behind it. I know no one meant offense. My point is that there's nothing happy about it. In fact, I get down-right &*%$#!-off about continually losing our kids in interminable wars.

Melissa - unfortunately - is illustrative of Americans today. They know of no one who was killed. .47%, less than 1/2 of a percent!!!, of America is carrying the burden of our politicians. Our Soldiers, Sailors, Airman, Marines, and Coast Guard went off to war - America went shopping.

All too often people refer to Memorial day as a barbecue; or "time to get the boat in the water", or have a party. I see pictures of little boys and girls growing up without a parent and literally cry. There's just nothing happy about it. I know you meant no disrespect.

My last real connection with the war was carrying a severely wounded kid off a flight from Germany to transship him to a facility back east when I was at Scott AFB in Illinois. I was the Senior Army rep for the kids first touch-down back in America and they needed to see someone with some rank who would roll his sleeves up and carry them off the bird like the heroes they were. This one kid was just coming out of a drug induced haze as he had been hit no more than 36 hours previous in Afghanistan. Thanks to some logistical miracles, he was back in the States before he realized he had even been hit. He lost both legs and one arm......his stretcher was very light. He was coming out of the drugs and looking around as the realization hit him of what had happened. he looked about 16. I'll NEVER forget the look in that kid's eyes as he came around......never.

I wonder where he is now and if he has happy days.

USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 18:12:16
It for me is not a good feeling when someone says to me that they wish me a Happy Memorial Day. I immediately think of several departed "shipmates" who died for, in retrospect, no good reason.

This country has moved from being united behind a common purpose to just entertaining themselves, via Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Netflix, Sports Radio, TV, etc.. Having served in several places where we didn't have any way to contact family for a year, or could receive a radio station, I know I can do without such constant entertainment.
As you can see, I do use the Internet and email daily.

John Whelan, I do appreciate your good wishes.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 17:56:16
Interesting topic. When one of my sons was of nursery school age, he attended a Jewish Community Center nursery school because it was a really good school, and nearby. My Irish Catholic mother was horrified. I calmed her fears when Adam came home one day with a card (construction paper covered in black paint). I asked him to tell me about it and he said: it's for Rosh Hashanah. I asked if he knew what that meant, and he replied "Yeah, he's a kid in my class".
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 17:42:53
I cannot recall such a debate before. What HAVE we said in the past? What is different this year from all others? I don't know anyone who was a war casualty but this year has been a focus for me as well. Why is this? Somewhat a history buff, this past weekend I watched my share of war movies and documentaries. Something I always try to do is really SEE the nameless casualties. Remember they were each somebody's parent, child or sibling. Perhaps we should simply wish each other a Meaningful Remembering Day.
USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 15:13:45
Ben H - perhaps this situation is similar to the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. (I used to work for a company headquarted in Tel Aviv.) Yom Kippur is a very solemn holiday and it is not appropriate to be joyous so "Happy Yom Kippur" is not an appropriate thing to say. Instead you typically say "Have an easy fast" as a Yom Kippur greeting. And perhaps a similar but solemn Memorial Day greeting is better, though I don't have one to suggest.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 05/29/2018 - 11:32:36
Jim and John I always appreciate your posts but I seriously wonder
I get wishing someone
A Merry Christmas
A Happy New Year
A Glorious Fourth of July
A Relaxing Labor Day
A Bountiful Thanksgiving
but are you telling me I should be wishing
A Somber Memorial Day?
Having thought about it, I decided we should wish each other a happy holiday like John did but then add "Never Forget" like Jim and Alan so rightly reminded us
PS Tim Pennypacker was one of a kind - he saved a picture of my mother and only a few years ago sent it to me saying how much she meant to he and Craig as little guys growing up

Ben H
USA - Mon 05/28/2018 - 20:28:08
Read your article about the Squires, found the history you provided very interesting. Thanks

alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/28/2018 - 11:58:03
Jim think you got it. "It is those who have fought for it that the protected will never know, especially the wounded that prey for Peace because we had to suffer the wounds of war.
You have never lived until you almost died."

To those KIA's and wounded worriers and their families thank you so much for all that you have endured, I/we, will never forget! Sincerely

alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/28/2018 - 08:58:02
Although I understand your sentiment, there's no "happy" Memorial day.

Remember those that never came home; and, equally important these days, are the 22 souls who commit suicide every day in finally succumbing to a war that couldn't take them on the battlefield, but found a way to claim their lives back at home.

It's about more than barbecues and going to the beach. Take a moment to reflect.....far too many are in the "final formation" way too young to be standing there.

USA - Mon 05/28/2018 - 08:23:33
Happy Memorial Day to all on the CHAT-M-Room
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/27/2018 - 18:58:27
Roy, Google Thomas R. Pennypacker obituary. It will tell you all.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/23/2018 - 06:38:58
Devastated to hear about the guy my family referred to as Uncle Tim. Does anybody know what the arrangements are. It may be early but please post what ever information is available as soon as possible. Thank you Roy

Apparently first posted this in the wrong place

Roy Kime <>
White Stone , VA USA - Tue 05/22/2018 - 21:37:46
He married Jennifer and myself over on North Beach. At the conclusion of the nuptials there was some confusion as to exactly where we may have been located. he stated we were "close enough for government work." Great guy who will be missed. Will have to hoist a tumbler of small batch bourbon to him later on.....great guy.
USA - Tue 05/22/2018 - 21:30:27
Tim was perhaps the only guy I would meet at Stop and Shop in Orleans and be able to talk as if we had just seen each other the day before. He was hired as a Chatham police officer by Selectman Dave Ryder. He officiated at the wedding of Cristen at her mother's house (Peach). Tim was a very fine man, and I always enjoyed his comments on this Room.
We are all blessed to have known such a fine person.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/22/2018 - 17:53:51
Sorry to hear that Tim Pennypacker has passed away tonight. Another great loss for our community. A wonderfull person.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/21/2018 - 23:06:43
John, what Tim are you referring to?
Barry <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/21/2018 - 21:10:07
So sorry for Chatham.... Tim will be so missed by so many. One of the kindest most forthright individuals I have ever known... RIP friend.
John Geiger
Monument , CO USA - Mon 05/21/2018 - 19:17:40
Hey Nancy
Sending you a little neck on ice long distance in my thoughts
Hope you're kicking ass in your new digs!

Ben H
USA - Fri 05/18/2018 - 20:58:30
No Worry looks like you stayed late
alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/18/2018 - 16:14:26
WOW! Our BOS have wasted no time in having a "Executive Session" this coming Monday night to consider the purchase, exchange, lease or value of real property (COA Site Locations Options) and the Chair declares that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the public body with NO return to open session. So much for public input.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/18/2018 - 14:50:59
Sorry about my keyboard gremlin misspelling your name Mr. Wirsul. I usually can catch him before he does this.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/18/2018 - 00:00:07
HB Seesta. Hope it is making you feel as young as you act! B and D
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/17/2018 - 18:09:47
Wishing you a Joyous and Happy Birthday! Wishing you all the best on this very important day.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/17/2018 - 15:27:38
Happy Birthday to sister Nancy Ryder Petrus today!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/17/2018 - 11:38:19
Thank you, Mr. Wiesel. My days as a "lurker" here on this page have ended.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/17/2018 - 08:32:06
A gracious welcome to you Ms. James. Hope all is well with you. You would not know me and more probably will not come to know me. In the tri state area down yonder, Ma. had an an advertisement out there years ago, that kind of went like this: "I live in New York, but I love Cape Cod," Hence part of the reason I visit this Chat room. Anyways, a nice welcome to you.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 05/16/2018 - 20:12:31
Flutie had a bumper sticker that read "Custer Had It Coming". He was well aware of the poor treatment that his fellow Native Americans had endured.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/16/2018 - 19:37:41
Just a brief clarification as to my identity. I am the daughter of Howard and Trudy James. Frank "Flutie" James was the youngest of my father's two brothers; the other being Roland James who was killed in France while serving in the US Army during WWII. All three brothers played in the Chatham Band, my father being a charter member.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/16/2018 - 07:00:45
Just a brief clarification as to my identity. My father is Howard James, older brother to Frank "Flutie" James and Roland James for whom the Brown-James-Buck VFW Post is named.
Jill James <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/16/2018 - 06:51:23
Hey Emily I'm sure Jill must be related to Flutie James who was an integral part of the Chatham Band in the '50s. In addition to Whit Tileston, I remember Goodspeeds, Nickersons, Eldredges, and others - we were sure blessed to have such a great community band which I hope carries on forever.
Ben H
USA - Tue 05/15/2018 - 20:43:17
Thanks Emily. That is what I meant to convey.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/14/2018 - 17:35:52
I would like to end this thread. I met Jill James last week at the Atwood House Museum. She is a direct descendant of the Wampanoag tribe of Cape Cod and the Islands. The rest of us are ALL washashores.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 05/14/2018 - 16:17:22
I guess this is suppose to be a joke. To some degree, I agree with the previous poster with the indication of insulting."

One does not command respect with rings of nobility (as with the French) or Class with your last name (as with the Indians) or this term. You lead with honor, trust, and commitment You have a sense of standards and doing the right thing- not petty insults and ridiculous comments as sometimes posted here. You wish to have the prize for the best impression of a second grader-then feel free to stick in this mode and your term.

Political folks, where I think this whole thing started with, cannot be all things to all people. If "these folks' are playing an angle, then its important that you understand this and why. And when the I, I, I or the my, my, my, starts to take place or if wrong doing occurs and no one says anything, yes then its time to watch carefully. The Idea of bullet voting as possibly suggested, also stinks.

Your are the voters, you make the call

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/14/2018 - 09:36:18
My mother was born in the big house on Ministers Point Chatham and her ashes were scattered in Pleasant Bay off Ministers Point
So my question - does that make her a wash ashore and 72 years later a wash away?
Almost like she visited from Pleasant Bay and then returned

Ben H
USA - Sun 05/13/2018 - 20:56:39
As Will Rogers one said, "Its true my ancestors didn't come to this country on the Mayflower, but they were there to greet them!
alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/13/2018 - 20:03:21
As far as I am concerned, the Harlows, Brewsters, Ryder's, Doanes, Goulds, Nickersons, Eldridges/Eldredges and other original settlers of the Cape are all washashores. It is a matter of degree.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/13/2018 - 16:11:26
I was born on Cape Cod and lived and worked in Chatham for 48 years before moving to Florida 34 years ago. I still miss Chatham very much and if I decided to come back there to live, would I be considered a "ReWashashore"?

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 05/13/2018 - 13:56:39
Enough with the "Washashore vs Native"! Very insulting.
A Washashore
USA - Sun 05/13/2018 - 10:18:23
And by the way, whether Sgt Gannon lived one day in your community or whether he would have come to Chatham more than 100 years ago, he would have been worth knowing, Washashore or not and of Mayflower decent or not-there are some good folks in this world, you just need to know where to find them.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/12/2018 - 21:31:57
"recent "WASHASHORES" could view these to have an understanding of how much their ideas from far away have changed our town."

Look 20 miles down the road and distinctly look at Sgt Sean Gannon, who yes also penetrated Chatham. If you will please, a WASHASHORE" beyond most Chatham ites imagination. One would be so lucky to have a Young man like he to bring change. And his mother, Denise, who is still picking up the pieces, vows to do the right thing, just as her son did. You wish to know Class, this kid was First Class and you would have been super lucky to have a "WASHASHORE" in your Chatham community like Sgt Gannon.

Ave Maria, you conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/12/2018 - 21:24:24
The new exhibit at the Marconi Maritime Center is absolutely First Class, as is all of what they do!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/12/2018 - 19:25:12
Don - that sounds wonderful - thank you so much for letting us know! Emily - it's only going to get worse- they think they own the town now. Please help keep these folks out of any office in town!
W.Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/12/2018 - 18:51:28
You MUST see the special exhibit "Double Take" of fabulous panoramic photographs of our beloved Chatham, then and now. My little bungalow is visible in two of these historic perspectives...prints of which are also for sale of all. I wish all of the recent washashores could view these to have an understanding of how much their ideas from "away" have changed our town.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 05/12/2018 - 16:21:36
FREE LOCALS DAY. May 19th. If you have not been in the Atwood House, Atlantic White Shark Conservancy or the Marconi Maritime Center lately now is the time to do so. All three have new and exciting displays. It will run from 10-4 at the Atwood House. Check for other times.
Don St. Pierre <>
N. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/12/2018 - 15:23:17
No surprise there. The Chronicle has become quite predictable in their endorsements.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/11/2018 - 05:55:04
Melissa - of course they do - he spent thousands on advertising.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/10/2018 - 12:41:49
FYI: On page 34 of this week's Chronicle, the paper endorses Cocolis to complete Amanda Love's term.
USA - Thu 05/10/2018 - 11:48:12
I just read Peter Cocolis's response to my letter in last week's Chronicle defending his leadership and integrity. All I can say is watch the Planning Board meeting in the channel 18 archives I referred to. If you want to elect someone that sits on the sidelines and watches members of his board rip people apart then by all means vote for him. If you want to elect someone that has littered the roadways with his signs and spent thousands of dollars on ads, then vote for him. I could care less what he says the Planning Board has accomplished under his leadership. He seems to want to take credit for a lot of issues that others initiated. He also apparently doesn't know the difference between "accomplished and working on a project". The current Planning Board is comprised of several members of the construction industry, one woman who rarely shows up to meetings, and others who are just flat our rude. Shame on the Chronicle for going against their own rules by printing a letter from a candidate trying to defend himself against the obvious.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/10/2018 - 06:30:53
Sorry to read of Jennie Cardoza's death. Her son Jim , about my age, who grew up in the family home off Bar Cliff Avenue in Chatham later went on to graduate (a classmate) from Stockbridge School of Agriculture at UMASS. He was not a great student of English, but had an amazing talent for remembering Latin names of plants! He got a job at the Hallmark Cards Crown Center in Kansas City, taking care of their exterior plantings and the multi-story atrium plants as well.
Wonderful family.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/06/2018 - 17:42:13
So glad to see that folks remember Carl's fun at his first of May rhyme! Love it and thank you all for that!

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Sat 05/05/2018 - 21:55:20
So sad to learn about Bill Napier. He shared some great Andrew Hardings Lane memories and pics with me back in 2011. Another Chatham soul moved on...
USA - Wed 05/02/2018 - 08:40:55
"Hooray Hooray The First of May Outdoor Romance Starts Today" Remembering Carl Olson, the Chowdahman
From the heavens
USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 19:44:26
Judy, I did see that on Facebook, Sue was his dear friend but I was waiting for a confirmation what with hacking and all. His cousin Rob emailed this morning with the rest of information. A good guy and yes very sad!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 18:00:31
Wayne - thank you. One of his friends posted it on Facebook. He was in my class. Very sad -
Judy <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 11:28:32
To any of you that knew or was a friend of Bill Napier I have sad news. Bill passed away on April 21 in Missouri of complications from cancer.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 11:27:29
Emily, you got the first part right "change is inevitable however beyond this you and others can believe what they wish to believe. But the true reality is, that if we break it down to the smallest entity of life (not of an atom), we have mother nature and the foundation from which she operates from, changing ever so quickly. She is watching out for you in her vision of the future 99% of the time.

She uses DNA to do this with and the 4 bases to do work from: A=adenine C Cytosine, G=Guanine and T=Thymine which code for Amino Acids. She is looking to the future all the time and her foundation, if it remained the same, we would come across some major problems. And yes, even she makes mistakes

Not 100 Miles up the road from Chatham, some of the most exciting Research ever is taking place at MIT. These researchers are in the beginning of now being able to open the DNA, insert a desired new gene, and stitch back up. Some refer to this as Crispie and I am not talking about Rice Krispies either. This Technology will first be used to cure diseases which we have no cures for-we are only at the cusp of understanding the full impact of what we are doing.

If you have some time, you can view foundations or ponds which have had little or not work done on them in the last 50-75 years and explain to me what you see, especially with what is on top of them. All controversial-maybe, but it is no time to me scared and everyone out there should at least try to take a small step towards the impossible.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 09:23:02
Please forgive me, but it shouldn't go unsaid:

Hooray! Horray! It the first of May!
Outdoor frolicking starts today!

RIP Chowderman.

Josh Daly <>
CQX, MA USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 08:07:23
Hooray, hooray.....the first of May! Carl......enjoy your day!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/01/2018 - 08:03:16
I remember well John Whelan and the rest of us raking the infield dirt at Veterans Field before our games because it really hurt when a routine ground ball hit a rock and jumped up to smash you in the "mush" - we developed a technique to rake so as to stir up the rocks and then flip the rake over to drag the infiels and sweep them away - I don't really see why if John could do it to well 65 years ago, he has to hire someone now - Just sayin' (and of course just kidding)
Ben H
USA - Mon 04/30/2018 - 20:22:04
Humans look for the familiarity of what has gone before but change is inevitable. Nevertheless, there are ways to stick your toe in without negating what drew you to the lovely pond in the first place. Science especially should be able to devise ways to explore the vision without losing the foundation. That which is OLD got us to NOW so we can explore the NEW!! IMHO
USA - Mon 04/30/2018 - 10:43:00
John Whelan: Enjoyed reading your article in the Chronical "Give me the simple Life" All but your very last sentence "enjoy it while you can" Most in this room will agree with you, however forgive me, it implies resistance to change and just as you have indicated, life is changing all around us. This is especially true in Science. It will always be the case for myself, that one wishes to leave "the place" in better condition than what you found it.

A Quote from Arthur C. Clarke- "The only way of discovering the limits of the possible, is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."

So while you are enjoying it while you can, where ever you are in this journey in life, do not be afraid to stick you big toe in the water to get the feel of something new, who knows, you might like it.

John, Your last post about the part-time job was great! For someone out there, it could mean a lot to them

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 04/30/2018 - 09:37:22
Anyone looking for a part-time job? Cape Cod Senior Softball i looking for someone to take care of the softball field in Harwich. $15/hour. Contact Cape Cod Senior Softball.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/28/2018 - 17:02:21
Guess there really was not a need for 5 banks in Chatham. Interesting that one of those left is a Spanish bank.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/28/2018 - 12:13:46
The unintended consequence of BOA branch closing was the loss of all safe deposit boxes!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 04/28/2018 - 10:21:47
Bank of America has ATM service behind DelMar
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/28/2018 - 06:45:09
TD Bank and Bank of America, being large banks, are reducing their branches because of increased use of web and phones and such by customers. The third bank is Santander, near DelMar. I can't think of any others.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Fri 04/27/2018 - 12:43:53
I see there are now TWO bank buildings for sale in Chatham. One across from Cumby's and one on Old Harbor Road. Does that leave CC5, Rockland Trust and one other?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/27/2018 - 09:49:28
I was working in our local Club Library today and ran across Roger Denk's book "Stepping Stones" a clever tale of intrigue in Chatham during WWII. Slightly disguised names of people and places add to the interest. I know his novels are in the Chatham Public Libtary, because I know Roger visits Chatham every summer.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 04/26/2018 - 17:39:49
Occasional ChatMRoom contributor Glenn Stockwell is that person you are looking for.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/23/2018 - 16:30:54
I have a wood deck 12x25 that needs painting or staining (it has already been painted some time ago). Any suggestions for an honest, reliable, reasonably-priced painter? I hope my asking does not violate the terms of the CHAT-M-ROOM. Just looking for a personal recommnedation as an alternative to making cold calls. Thank you.
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 04/23/2018 - 14:04:35
Richard, I noticed that when I was up there week or so ago. Didn't know what the heck it was. Pretty interesting show though. A lot of water being tossed about.
USA - Sun 04/22/2018 - 09:26:25
Has anyone else noticed what appear to be stripers being chased out of the water in front of the lighthouse, particularly inside the green buoy over by the island? These are fairly big fish, and it looks like something is grabbing them from below. Maybe the seals? They put on quite a show most days.
Richard W
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/21/2018 - 11:28:15
Well said Richard - She made a lot of us extremely proud No doubt in my mind naval aviators especially carrier aviators are the best trained in the world We always knew being a naval aviator meant "hours of boredom interrupted by moments of stark terror" - it's what she did when tested by one of those "moments" that is so impressive
Ben H
USA - Wed 04/18/2018 - 23:15:37
As much as I get tearful with sadness about the Yarmouth officer being killed, I am also tearful with pride for the Southwest Pilot, who is the one who brought her crippled plane to a safe landing after an engine failure. The world will note that she was a former US Navy pilot. I remember reading a book written by one of the first women to become an LSO (Landing Signal Officer) on an aircraft carrier. She wrote "Just a Navy Pilot". Wonder if this is she?
And don't forget Nancy Ryder Petrus' son Aviator David Larkin, LT, USCG Retired who now flies for Southwest. David was a former enlisted Air Crewman who rose through the CG ranks.
You definitely want these kind of experienced men and women in the pilot seat.
LCDR USN Retired

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/18/2018 - 18:09:12
Must be spring, baseball on Veterans Field yesterday.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/15/2018 - 14:03:00
When I awoke this morning and heard on a Boston radio station that a Yarmouth Police officer had been shot in the head, left me with a profound sadness. A Chatham official put out a statement "Officer Gannon's dedication to service has left a lasting impact on our community." This after a recent visit by this officer to the town.
The circumstances are still out, but seems like Officer Gannon and his dog Nero were a class act. Very sorry for the grief has family and friends will endure. Hope Nero makes it!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 04/13/2018 - 23:06:30
As a follow up to Ben H's post, it was interesting to note that Lt JG Jim Henry, had just come out of nuclear training school (which I assume was at what was referred to as Cumbustion Engineering located in Windsor Ct. Most of the residents in the area had almost no idea what this company's main objective was -nuclear power engines for subs.

He reported to the ship's nuclear power vessel's reactor control officer, guy by the name of Raymond McCoole (now deceased), the only crew member who did not make the trip, because he was called away from the sub, 2 hrs before she sailed (McCoole's wife was hospitalized with an eye injury that day).

The ship's motto "Vis Tacita" = silent strength.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 04/10/2018 - 21:51:04
Anyone remember the smartest kid in class or in the whole school? In my case, it was an awkward nice Jewish guy from Brooklyn - JJ Henry. He was truly gifted not necessarily as a naval officer but wherever life would take him. I think he graduated 2nd out of 850 in our class only because his military and PT grades were average at best. Admiral Rickover immediately selected JJ for nuclear training upon graduation (in those days that was equivalent to being chosen as an astronaut)- he was the first and youngest of our class to give his life in the line of duty as an officer aboard SS Thresher. (Not really Chatham related but submitted as a follow on to Alan and Richard and as a tribute to JJ my battalion mate and lab partner who helped us ace every practical exam together)
Ben H
USA - Mon 04/09/2018 - 22:43:08
I dealt with SSN-593 surviving dependents when they came to have prescriptions filled at the US Naval Hospital in Portsmouth, NH. At the request of the Commanding Officer, I was a Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class chosen to attend the Admiral's mother being transported to a psych facility in NH, after the Thresher incident. She was very worried about how her son could cope with the loss, was chain smoking, had lost sleep, etc and was close to setting herself on fire. I could see burn marks on her sweater. There was the Admiral, the driver, a Navy Nurse, the patient, and myself in the car.
Very sad time for the US Navy, especially at Portsmouth, NH.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/09/2018 - 18:05:31
Today, the submarine "Thresher" set sail and was on her way about 220 miles of Chatham. Tomorrow (April 10, 1963 and unknowing to the courageous crew, she would meet destiny. A salute to all those on board SSN 593 who served the Navy and their country with honor and distinction and to their immediate families who faced the grief that followed. Yes, a yesteryear event which should always be remembered.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 04/09/2018 - 16:34:23
Bermuda shorts and noticed? Hmmm, what was this suppose to do, add dignity to those college woman who participated or make the customers buy more?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 04/09/2018 - 14:00:39
Great turn out for Carl Olson today. Lots of great people there.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/07/2018 - 15:02:27
Did not see these girls in front of the Chatham A&P store (now Ben Franklin's) in the mid 50's. They certainly would have been noticed. Guess they stayed in the real happening part of town, closer to the First National, the New Yorker Restaurant, (now The Squire) the Post Office, and the Mayflower Shop..
Or just maybe they were smart and avoided leering teenage boys.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/06/2018 - 20:34:24
Who remembers Jane Nickerson's Children's Shop in the 1950s.....when all the college girl help were asked to wear Bermuda Shorts and be barefoot?
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 04/06/2018 - 15:58:40
Indeed, today is an interesting day in history, with the death of MLK 50 years ago. In fact, for the most part, it would be a case of why grapple with this subject and that you will find this post of unconventional behavior. Never-the-less, I would challenge one to look at today's CapeCod times headline news and their bar graft of Barnstable County from 1990-2016.
And if you get this far in this post, then utube Robert Kennedy's message from the back of a pick up truck out of Indy. He spoke of MLK's drive for the love of Justice and the cause of that effect.

I suppose I will get hammered for this, but camraderie can in should extend far beyond this few who roam this site. So often the wish is to look for yesteryear. Mr. Kennedy asked what kind of nation are we? I hope we are one of also looking to a positive future for all, even in the smallest cosmos of Chatham and not one of greater polarization, but less of it.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/04/2018 - 17:44:21
Emily, There are more than ten fishing boats in Ryder's Cove and over fifteen in Stage Harbor and as Jared said a number of them hauled out around town.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/04/2018 - 13:38:12
Russel spent most of his winter aboard, but the second or third Nor'easter left his boat high and dry on the southern boundary of the CBI. He managed to get it off about a week later and is now back north of the pier on one of the many unused moorings. The harbor is still somewhat usable, 'though most boats are tending Stage harbor.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/04/2018 - 12:13:19
I am sad to say that my mobility problems will not allow me to attend my brother Carl's Memorial Service on Saturday. I think of him every day and miss him.
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 04/04/2018 - 12:12:43
Emily, most of the fleet is up to Ryder's Cove or hauled out at the moment.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/04/2018 - 10:41:17
As I look at the live video camera shots of Aunt Lydia's Cove, I don't see any fishing vessels! Have they moved away due to storms, shoaling or inability to safely reach the ocean? Did Russ Clark spend the winter ashore?
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 04/04/2018 - 07:59:41
Happy Birthday John Hallgren!
Thomas Doane <>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 04/03/2018 - 22:50:22
Hey Bob R, Emily, and others - It's all about the camraderie and spirit not the contest itself - really appreciate your doing it - as I recall, Carl's most successful quizes were about Chatham memories involving nicknames or other Chatham trivia - Jane or Gordon won most of them - wish I could be at the rememberance Saturday - in 29 days, someone has to remember to post in Carl's memory "Hooray, Hooray, the first of May, outdoor ....... starts today"
Ben H
Coronado, USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 20:33:57
Rich, Yes, there was a short notice in the CCT which verifies this. Unfortunately I will not be able to attend as I will be out of town. We miss you Carl.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 18:05:37
Just to verify something, a remembrance ceremony for Carl Olson was originally scheduled for this coming Saturday at 1100 at St. Christopher's Church . Is this still going to happen?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 17:44:39
Bob, so glad that the huge dictionary that Pat's father had in his printing shop in Amherst has found a good home. Hamilton I. Newell was a neat guy, who loved messing with words.
Here is a question he posed to me: "Dick, do you know how to titilate an ocelot?"

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 17:28:39
Well, Glenn, delete the following. Orach (it is orache), taroc (tarok), tharm (?)
coprah (copra), chott (African) hotch (Highland Scots), acromat (?), haphtarot (spelling), campo (S. American), pacha (pasha). Good to hear from you though! I suppose that if I were to use the unabridged 1949 Webster's 2987 page "NEW INTERNATIONAL" dictionary I'd find arguments so I left it on the shelf.

BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 16:10:46
Bob, having made my living as a medical research librarian to 250 doctors from the 1980s to 2000 a lover of word games and puzzles, I began my list according to your instructions and my brain. But technology has swamped the younger set and unfortunately they all rely on it and jump to the internet first. I am hoping to come up with a new challenge that only the old time Chathamites will remember......using their brains. See you in early May!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 14:30:56
Hmm, I should have insisted that the work be done by one's brain. No prize winner to be announced until I used my dictionary to remove foreign words not commonly accepted in the English language. Thanks for the effort. My current list has about 120.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 11:12:06
102 words.

achoo, actor, aorta, apart, approach, armor, aroma, attach, attar,
attract, cacao, cahoot, camphor, captor, carat, carom, carport,
carrot, cataract, catarrh, catch, champ, chapt, charm, chart, chomp,
coach, cocoa, cohort, comma, compact, compactor, comport, copra,
corpora, cramp, crotch, hatch, hooch, hoorah, hootch, horror, macho,
macro, mahatma, mamma, mammoth, maraca, march, marmot, match, mocha,
momma, mooch, morocco, mortar, motor, motorcar, motto, orator, parch,
parrot, patch, pharaoh, photo, poach, pompom, pooch, poppa, porch,
potato, proctor, promo, prompt, protract, protractor, rampart,
rapport, rattrap, roach, rococo, rotor, taproom, taproot, tarmac,
tarot, tartar, tattoo, thatch, throat, tomato, tomcat, tooth, topcoat,
torch, torpor, tract, tractor, tramp, tromp, troop, troth

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 10:18:25
Oops, I'm not sure how four character words got in there, let me try again.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 10:17:09
I'm not actually interested in the littlenecks, but I'd like to play -- glenn s. can have them if I win. Here's 167 words. (A little Computer Science goes a long way.)

achoo, actor, ammo, aorta, apart, approach, arch, armor, aroma, atom, atop,
attach, attar, attract, cacao, cahoot, camp, camphor, captor, carat, carom,
carp, carport, carrot, cart, cataract, catarrh, catch, champ, chap, chapt,
char, charm, chart, chat, chomp, chop, coach, coat, cocoa, cohort, coma,
comma, compact, compactor, comport, coop, coot, copra, corm, corpora, cram,
cramp, crap, crop, crotch, harm, harp, hart, hatch, hath, hooch, hoop, hoorah,
hoot, hootch, horror, macho, macro, mahatma, mama, mamma, mammoth, maraca,
march, marmot, mart, match, math, matt, moat, mocha, momma, mooch, moor, moot,
morocco, mortar, moth, motor, motorcar, motto, oath, orator, pact, papa,
parch, parrot, part, patch, path, pharaoh, photo, poach, pomp, pompom, pooch,
pooh, poop, poor, poppa, porch, port, potato, pram, proctor, prom, promo,
prompt, prop, protract, protractor, ramp, rampart, rapport, rapt, rattrap,
roach, roam, roar, rococo, romp, room, root, rotor, taco, tact, tamp, taproom,
taproot, tarmac, taro, tarot, tarp, tart, tartar, tattoo, that, thatch,
throat, tomato, tomcat, toot, tooth, topcoat, torch, torpor, tort, tract,
tractor, tram, tramp, trap, tromp, troop, trot, troth

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 10:15:48
Quahogs are still safe, keep trying.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/02/2018 - 08:38:57
Gadzooks, I missed the fine print that said the list was limited to a minimum of five words. That's my A. A. D. showing through. My apologies.

A.W.: Granted my entry is a log-jam of words with no spaces between the commas but If you reread my list carefully I believe the only word you suggested that was missing was "taart". I just ran a search on it and only found definitions for it written in German, so it may not qualify.

glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/01/2018 - 19:56:09
Hi Glenn: Seventy seven five letter words are what I come up with for your contribution. Way many more than I ever would have.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/01/2018 - 19:10:00
Hey Glen
You might be a little short, thought that the words had to be 5 letters or more, but you had some good words

So if you are not over the top, here's some help:
porch, chart, macro, champ, charm,roach,poach, march,torch,parch, taart,tramp, cramp, amphora

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 04/01/2018 - 18:04:53
Oops, on line #8 the 7th word in should be "caph"
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/01/2018 - 16:49:41
254 words (I think)from CHATHAMPORT


glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/01/2018 - 16:44:45
Happy Easter to all!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/01/2018 - 04:31:38
I am so pleased to hear that Jamie Bassett is running for Selectman. I can't think of a more logical, thoughtful, even tempered candidate to serve. I wish him all the best.

Bob - great contest - not sure you'll find folks that have the time to do this - but I wish everyone the best of luck!

W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/31/2018 - 17:37:44
Anyone remember when part of Chatham was called Chathamport? In Chowderman's memory I am going to offer three dozen littlenecks on the half-shell to the first person that can create 100 or more English language words of five or more letters from Chathamport. The C is to be considered lower case, and all letters may be used as many times as necessary in a word. No proper names, no foreign words, no hyphenated words, and I will use my Merriam-Webster dictionary to prove accuracy. Delivery must be in Chatham and will not happen until at Least mid-June. Good luck!
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/31/2018 - 15:39:43
Brother Bob:
No. but Pat and I were at Old Harbor Station a couple of weeks ago. Lots of exposed nails, glass, etc but no money visible .
Cheap crowd!
Amazing the amount of sand that was moved around the building.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/28/2018 - 17:57:15
Hey brother in Eastham, have you been "moneyin'" at Hardings lately?
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/28/2018 - 12:22:40
Back again. To clarify, I am not and never was Mr. Roper, a man I greatly respected and who was always up front with his opinions. As said previously, I choose anonymity because of my relationship with the Town.
Selectman Davis is a welcome addition to the Board of Selectman, intelligent, prepared and open minded with no agenda but what's best for Chatham.
The Board is functioning well with productive discussions and the civil exchange of ideas.
The Nathan Harding/ LaRose House was meticulously restored and is well maintained by the Alliance. Great use, great future.
The Wayside Inn is well run, beautifully kept and a contributing member of the Chatham community.
The owner had the Chowderman's respect and friendship...good enough for me. Emily C seems to agree.
Back again at some point. Happy spring.

Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/27/2018 - 19:38:33
The response from AT&T's communications director was speedy, if not overly informative: "Overall, our network performed well throughout the Northeast during the recent storms. However, due to power loss and damage to equipment on some parts of the Cape and Martha's Vineyard, some customers may have experienced issues with their service. Once conditions were safe, our technicians deployed additional generators and worked around the clock to restore service and repair affected equipment."
Alan Pollock <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/27/2018 - 11:32:19
But a tower in Orleans wouldn't/shouldn't have affected people in S Chatham as it did to my neighbor on Woodland Rd because I am sure there are towers closer, like maybe the flagpole at 137 & 39 which I suspect serves multiple companies. Neighbor said he had heard a tower blew over.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Tue 03/27/2018 - 09:32:33
Richard: It's a good question, and one I've just emailed to the local AT&T media relations office. Stay tuned (but don't hold your breath)...
Alan Pollock <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/27/2018 - 08:47:01
Just heard from a reliable source that the ATT&T tower in Orleans might have run out of generator fuel (propane) during the last storm. That might explain why there was no cell service for ATT&T customers, as well as Consumer Cellular folks.
Tim Wood, is this something the Chronicle could pursue?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/26/2018 - 17:09:40
Barry, I bought the Red Cloud Manor next to the park in 1968. 7 bedrooms and every wall in the house was a disaster. Congoleum on most of the floors. I cut it up in pieces and threw it out the window. A far cry from Jeff Vinik's mansion there now.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/24/2018 - 12:10:29
The 1/3rd of a mile split rail fence formerly mentioned is apparently required to delineate the border between the Conservation Restricted five acres, of the total 8 acres, and the abutters.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/22/2018 - 19:32:00
John, where on Cross Street was your first house?
Barry <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 21:39:25
To the parents of Jessie Nash, we are so very sorry for your loss. God's angels have been given a command to guard Jessie in all his ways, as he bears him up. Ave Maria pray for this young man's family. Amen
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 17:10:40
Richard, my first house in Chatham on Cross Street was $33,000. The fence was free.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 13:36:51
Thanks James, sounds like a nice spot.
Coming soon in our neighborhood here in Eastham is a 5800 sq ft, 6 bedroom house similar to the ones seen in Chatham along Shore Road. The plans call for a split rail fence along the border of the lot, which is 1/3rd of a mile. Fence guys told me that would cost over $20 grand.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 13:12:36
I just left Bob Ryder a VM with more info but wanted to report to y'all that I didn't find any unsuccessful posts in my log files from him so don't have any clues. Without any failing data, it's hard to explain what went wrong.
Also, I have been in touch with 'CapeCodAlice' and will at some point edit her signatures to just Alice as it was intended to be all along.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 13:09:51
Richard - Tillipi Run is on Morris Island. I might characterize 97 Tilipi Run as the house on the south east corner of the island. You can see it from the Wildlife Refuge if you go down the stairs, turn right and walk. The last house up on the bluff on the right is 97 Tilipi Run.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 12:12:23
John H... I recently tried to send a message via this room to a friend that resides far from here. No questionable words were used, yet your automatic filters would not allow it to be used. I am one of the folks that do not like to be needlessly throttled. Of course you may do as you wish, but please take a peek and see if I actually broke a rule.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/21/2018 - 04:15:59
Is Tillipi Run on either Stage or Morris Island?
A bunch of Troop 71 Boy Scouts/Explorers were volunteered to cut up and remove some junk cars from Morris Island before the causeway was built. It must have been in 1954 or 1955. We used a scow loaned by Des Eldredge (sp?) to move the cut up car parts to the mainland for scrapping. Little did we know that we were/might have been pawns in the hands of potential developers.
John Pratt, Barry Fulcher, David Buck, Bob Ryder and others were all involved in this escapade.
Being used comes to mind.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/20/2018 - 17:33:21
97 Tilipi Run was on the market for $25M for a year or two -- now discounted to $19,995,000. Such a bargain! Where else can you save $5 million dollars??
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 03/19/2018 - 10:20:07
Well Ben we've got this one 19,995,000
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/19/2018 - 08:55:25
OK Chatham Here's one for you - new Coronado estate listing on Ocean Blvd (which is comparable to Shore RD in Chatham) $25,000,000 - do you have anything close to that?
Ben H
Coronado, USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 20:40:09
Wow. The latest submissions are pretty intense.
My interest in making the public know why their Comcast phone service died is nearly as intense, but hopefully not divisive.
If anyone wants to see one of these battery boxes and the supportive electric meter, there is one just East of Vineyard Ave. on the North side of Route 28 in West (?) Chatham. Went by there this afternoon after hearing Brother Bob's talk at the Atwood House, which was excellent.

The type of DC generator that was probably placed there recently during the outage is pretty quiet, and most folks are more concerned with safe driving and other things when these units are employed.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 17:33:40
Let's try this another way; The way actual comments are handled here and the way I handle signatures are TWO separate issues and some seem not to follow that. Because I didn't have anywhere near the programming skills nor time to implement a more secure user authorization process, I chose to keep it as open to all which matched the prior site that I was emulating. Obviously the Chronicle has more ability/resources to verify authors of LTE's than I could do. So with this open system, not knowing who a given poster actually is will occur and I don't have any plans to change that because of the resources needed to tighten it.

However, I do have some automated filters for 'dirty' words and such and also I review posts that have been made when I can. And if I see something that I find just too much over my informal limits, I'll try and take action as a manual process. Everyone has their own tolerance level for what they think is "nasty, mean-spirited" and mine is probably somewhat higher than some here. Because any action requires MY time, I'm as stated not going to act on just any negative posts and it'll be only the most serious ones that I deal with.

And Judith: While I don't recall the conversations you mention, I believe I was NEVER given any evidence that disputed the limited technical info this site gives me about a user.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 14:42:38
John: To clarify, the Chronicle and most other newspapers do not permit anonymous comments in their LTE's. Granted, this chat room is not a newspaper, and you will do with it as you will. But in this room it makes it much easier for people to write nasty, mean-spirited comments about others BECAUSE they can hide behind an alias and avoid accountability.

Evidently you do not recall conversations between us regarding who the person was who used the name "Steve Harding". But there was clear and convincing evidence at the time. 'Nuff said.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 13:40:03
In response to "Jimmy D.'s" comments about me, I had no idea I'm precluded from commenting because of my home of 36 years-hardly the definition of a "speculator". I didn't knock it down to build a new one-far easier and less expensive. I've spent those 36 years restoring and maintaining it because I believe it should be preserved. My choice and my right despite what "Jimmy D" thinks. His comments are an obvious divisive attempt to marginalize and stifle any opposition . And I'd say it's more than a tad stalker-ish on "Jimmy D's" part.
USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 11:43:38
Judy, We thank you. To Alan, the stock market is where we have acquired the means to build an ADU. We just don't think this bubble is going to last much longer and another crash is coming. Still waiting to see if anyone know the answer about septic permit limits for ADUs when lots already exceed them. Thank you.
Capecodalice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 10:45:38
Alice - I should have made my comments more specific and I apologize to you. You were not being petty nor vindictive as the other anonymous poster(s) have been. I understand your viewpoint. I don't agree with the way the Town boards are acting with respect to the ADU's and the way the self serving individuals are for it while pretending to be so charitable and caring in their quest for folks to find housing options. There's no way around this - it's a building boom for developers and those who think otherwise haven't bothered to educate themselves on this topic.
USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 10:28:59
It's easy to take a look at the spectrum yard stick of ADU's when all is said in done. At one end you have the Planning board position who's one member said it best "Let's put it out there and see where it goes" to Elaine's position on the other end, putting some real teeth into the Bylaw with some regulation.

And Yes, as a listener and viewer, I see ADU from Elaine's position from the presentation of "facts" even if there is some "regulation involved." One would hope that the Chatham folks would lean more towards this side. The opposite extreme other end, one would create a mini chaos and a possible builders delight. Either way, ADU's could move ahead.

Truth of the matter now is, where will the PB and ZB come out with their positions and then one can make the judgement level of support from which those bodies stand.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 10:23:29
The only brush for perfection that posters like "Jimmy D" and "Steve Harding" work with would be for Characters like Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble. The Ya A Ba Du gang coming from the league of canned crusaders with official gov't positions.

And Capecodalalice cannot be too far behind them with her ADU statement of trying to make a little extra doe which cannot be done in the stock Market. Here's a little News Flash for Alice, she could have made more money in the stock market in the last 3 months than she could have made in 3 years with ADU's, if money is game.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 10:00:09
John, The posting below clearly shows why we don't want our names mixed up in this. We have seen comments directed towards people that border on pure hatred and why would we want to open ourselves to that? We are not cowards or petty people, we just don't want to fight with anyone.
Here is another question about ADUs. As we understand things, state law says you have to have 10,000 square feet of buildable upland per bedroom. Many lots in town already exceed that. So, how can the town allow more bedrooms than state law allows?

Capecodalice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 09:52:40
John - This is your room and we all respect that; however Judith and Jenny are absolutely spot on with their comments. If you believe that the letters wouldn't be printed in the Chronicle (as the one being widely circulated) about Sean, then why not insist on folks using their real name? Only cowards and petty people hide behind a cloak of anonymity. As far as Mr. Harding is concerned - may he Rest In Peace
USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 08:51:11
Judith: Since I really don't know exactly what standards are used by the Chronicle, it's thus impossible for me to apply that here, ok? What I do is, based on reading LTE's there for years, attempt to guess if the text in question would likely appear there or not and use that as one factor in my evaluation of the text.
And regarding the "Steve Harding" thing: Since it's been close to year since this topic was discussed in detail, my memory is now a bit fuzzy but I don't recall anyone ever contacting me directly with any basis or proof as to whom y'all are convinced it is, or even whom you believe it to be.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/18/2018 - 02:51:36
John since you have chosen to apply the same standard used by the Cape Cod Chronicle with regard to what is permissible in the chat room, I suggest (again) that contributors must use their own names rather than hide behind an alias, which is basically a person who wants to be anonymous. The Chronicle doesn't permit that either.
At times, those familiar with certain personalities can guess who the anonymous person might be, but this seems a silly exercise. Many of us knew who the person was who used the name "Steve Harding", yet you were quite convinced we were wrong and/or were protecting that person. He was no in office when he used that name. What was he afraid of? I continue to believe if someone has the courage of their convictions, why hide their real identity?

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 23:44:43
Sean - once again you just don't get it. We are not against the ADU's. We are against them with the current by-laws with no oversight. If you are truly are looking and hoping to have some for your employees why do you protest this so much? It's not being snotty - it's doing the right thing for people that need this housing. They should not be taken advantage of by rents not being monitored. Please re-read Elaine's post again and tell us why you disagree with this.
USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 20:37:08
Thought I would check in and as expected the attacks continue based upon what position one takes on a policy item..... It really is the reason why more people don't get involved. I do own the Harding House in South Chatham and have improved it considerably since I purchased it. Unlike some my funds are limited so it will take time. I make no excuses and have no regrets. I also provide housing for workers for my company and others and ten of the units are rented year round very affordably for local people. Attack or disagree all you wish it bothers me not.. Im proud of what have done for lots of local people thru my public service or my private work. I make zero apologies for hoping to make a profit or for advocating for Property rights which I have done consistently for years....... I believe housing should be allowed via zoning rather than having the government pay for it with all of our taxes. Apartments are illegal in town, the ADU effort is not a new effort at social engineering. It is to correct a wrong. Many of you here care about how chatham used to be... Well, we never used to be such snobs as to make illegal the creation of small units for working people.
Sean < >
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 19:47:43
I have to disagree, John. "It could be worse" is not how you judge ethical dilemmas.
Jennifer Buck
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 19:20:56
My position is/has been that, once a person is no longer in public office or employment, they should be treated exactly like anyone else in regards to comments. So any latitude I would give to comments about them as related to members of public office (or committee) is only during their term. We may disagree but the comments about Elaine and Jared, while not complimentary, are so mild in comparison to the extremes that have caused me to take action on rare occasions.
Anyone who uses words that trigger my profanity filters are almost guaranteed to get edited/deleted. I have seen LOTS of real nasty comments elsewhere on net and that's why I may have a slightly tolerance for some things than others may.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 16:22:58
John -- I agree that, true or not, the comments about Sean were worse than yesterday's and today's rants by "Jimmy D" (I have seen those posts about Sean, which are being widely circulated). However, Sean chose to hold public office for many years, therefore opening himself up to public scrutiny and criticism. Even he seems to understand this. I'm sure you can agree that the statements made about Elaine and Jared -- both of whom are private citizens -- are highly personal and, in my opinion, should not be allowed to be posted on the site. This is made worse, of course, by the fact that the poster is using an alias.
Jennifer Buck
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 15:43:56
Just came in from doing yard work for a few hours so only now seeing some recent comments, ok? A couple of things:
1) The signature Jimmy D first appeared here in June 2016 so it's not a new one to me. And if you're so sure who it is, email me cause I may or may not agree based on what info I have.
2) The comments re Sean were SO much worse than anything re Elaine so it's not 'whom' that caused my actions but 'what' was said. Those comments would never be published in Chronicle but recent ones could be.
3) I know who CapecodAlice is after an in person meeting in S&S last year and I think they just haven't cleared cookie that autofills signature and/or replaced it with the name we agreed should be used, so I'm ok with it staying here for a bit.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 14:32:18
Jimmy D - FACT - The "Harding House" is in South Chatham and is a delapitated building in need of serious repair. Maybe some of your good "restoration friends" could fix it. Once again, when posting you may want to get your facts straight as the CC Fisherman's Alliance is what it has been referred to for years and prior to that it was the LaRose House.
Your attacks on Elaine are selfish and reek of jealousy. You must be an extremely petty individual to wage these attacks. I don't think John takes too kindly to an anonymous poster that has all of a sudden decided to post .
No one is disputing the Town needs Housing - we are against the way it is trying to be shoved down
taxpayers throats without clearing proper channels.

WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 13:51:19
We have been following the discussions about the proposed ADU bylaw. As Baby Boomers, we have the land and means to build a small rental unit. Here is the rub. Nearing retirement age, we would see this as a good source of retirement income. Much better than the stock market or other standard investments. Why would we rent year round for less than we would make as a full or weekly summer rental? We are not trying to anger anyone, just saying things as we see them. Thank You
Capecodalice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 13:08:35
John -- why are you so quick to take down comments about your friends, like Sean, but are perfectly content to leave personal attacks up on private citizens, such as Elaine?

And, Jimmy, we all know who you are.

Finally -- yes, I am Gloria Freeman's daughter. Proudly.

Jennifer Buck
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 13:04:53
Judy P.
Fact...1566 Main, the Nathan Harding House, now the Fishermen's Alliance, was restored and I believe won a Preservation Award.
Jared F.
$200,000 is certainly affordable and is very much needed. Glad you were able to buy your home. It was available because of the Town's supporting and subsidizing this affordable housing project as it did and should continue to do. The Town should work with those work with those willing to assist in this effort.
I have not nor do I have any comments on the tax base and what defines Joe Normal.
What can one say? Wish you well getting $11million+ for your estate. If you do maybe you could purchase and donate a couple of affordable homes for those you care so much about.

Jimmy D
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 10:47:02
Jimmy D-whomever you are- your spin doesn't change the facts. My position is quite the contrary of your characterization, and quite clear if you had actually read the ADU bylaw.

I publicly stated at the Planning Board meeting that I do not believe I should have the right to effectively build a 2000 sq ft building on my property without any notification to abutters or a Public Hearing before the ZBA. As it stands that is exactly what I could do. I can do so with absolutely no intent to rent it at moderate prices on a year round basis, and nothing in the bylaw prevents me from using it either personally as a family compound, or renting it out on a seasonal basis at high prices to an unlimited number of people with unlimited cars- because there are no occupancy limits - at the expense of my neighbors.

This bylaw will not expand moderate year round housing-the purported intent-because there is no enforcement mechanism. I would support a Bylaw that allows ADUs-(1)only with a Special Permit and abutter notification-(2) that requires the ADU be rented at moderate prices (3) rented only on an annual basis-(4) capping occupancy and vehicles, (5) with deed restrictions for future owners, and (6) with enforcement capability and penalties for using them for any other purpose.

If the Planning Board and proponents resist, I have to seriously question the true intent and objective of this Bylaw.

USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 09:21:27
Good response, Jared. Sorry about your Grandmother
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/17/2018 - 08:06:32
Jimmy D, you put affordable in quotations, leading me to believe that you don't consider the $200,000 price range to be affordable. In this town, it is the unfortunate reality that that figure is the low end of the spectrum. It is my personal belief that Chatham and many other Cape towns have been pimped out to the max as resort destinations and desirable second home locations, substantially contributing to the mass exodus of young, working class people. That is dangerous to the longevity of any community. You can make the argument that these second homes and large developments contribute to the tax base of the town. But on the other hand, the effect that valuations of these properties have on nearby properties and the incessant over-promotion of this place as a playground make buying more than a hole in the wall unachievable for Joe Normal. Of the sixty or so people in my graduating class, approximately less than ten still live in town. My wife and I were almost in the demographic of exiting younger people until we luckily came upon the house that we purchased. We were very fortunate. So Jimmy D, since you know so much, which part of my home purchase was subsidized by the Town?
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/16/2018 - 20:14:11
I didn't actually call FPL, that was a pun or a joke.
I'm sure you'll survive.

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 03/16/2018 - 19:20:11
I sent a Letter To The Editor of the Cape Cod Times that essentially says what I said here a day or two ago. Basically, their little DC generators ran out of gas!
The CCTimes person wanted to contact Comcast to verify what I have sent, but was having a hard time getting to anyone who could answer her questions. Doesn't that sound familiar?
Someone dropped the ball, at least here in Eastham.
Tim Wood: I can show you the sites that I know of. If you see a meter on a pole, with a cabinet above, that is a serious clue.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/16/2018 - 18:07:46
Jimmy D - interesting name - sounds as though you really have no clue - as the Harding House has never been restored - but it certainly should be. Perhaps Mr Summers will tell everyone why he's so interested in the ADU's yet has properties that certainly need attention. On another note - we certainly aren't against change - we want to make sure town officials follow the rules and respect the zoning regulations and by laws that are in place. Kind of hard to keep track of this when the boards are stacked with developers, construction folks and others that have a lot to gain by bypassing rules and regulations. You agree with the teardown of the Sibley house at 6:00 a.m on a Saturday morning when the building inspector and the other involved boards were on vacation? It's actions such as this a lot of people oppose. You may want to get your facts straight before you post anonymously for your friends.
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/16/2018 - 17:57:28
Catching up on Chat comments. Observations:
Lots of critics, not much positive.
Judy P seems critical of anyone who owns anything other than a " mom and pop" business, even the person who restored the "Harding House".
Elaine G is against ADU's because it will lower her property value thought at her $11+ million ask, she'll be the queen of real estate speculators.
Jared F criticisms are over but especially for anyone trying to help others cause they caused the problem. Yet he bought a house for $234,000 last year "affordable" since subsidized by the Town.
Lots of angry people with lots of negative comments against those who look for solutions.
Go figure.

Jimmy D
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/16/2018 - 16:58:43
Anna: We have had crews from NH, ME, CT and maybe beyond for the the two most recent storms. At one point, there were 24 Eversource trucks and crews parked in front of the Eastham Sheraton, waiting to be deployed. That was for the second storm.
If ever FPL trucks arrive here, I will offer them several of my too many coats.

Many times too hot, but extremely rarely too cold. Must be the 1640 English blood.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/15/2018 - 17:51:37
I called Florida Power & Light and asked them to get up there and restore
your power. They told me they don't work in really cold, windy weather. Glad you have power now and hopefully keep it forever. I do recall when we lost power here for 6 days because of Hurricane Irma.

I think of Carl today as he always had a Chat-Room entry on March 15th about The Ides of March. Miss him. Anna

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 03/15/2018 - 12:15:20
Yippee! Power restored at 8:15! Anna, happy YOU have power!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 20:20:23
Not to rub it in.....but The Woodlands in Florida have power! Aren't we lucky.
Hope you all get it back very soon. Anna

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 19:31:30
Still no power @ The Woodlands.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 18:08:23
I would have given an Eastham update but we had no phone or internet service un ti this afternoon. Power outages were due to high winds and heavy, wet snow.
By the way, Comcast has small gas powered DC generators that they place (with lock and chain) at the base of some utility poles if the Eversource power goes out at that circuit. The little DC generators run to charge up batteries that are in cabinets up the pole above where most people can reach. These generators run for about 11 hours on a tank of gas. Last week, Comcast techs did not refuel them in a timely manner and consequently we had no phone, TV or Internet for quite a while.
Who knew?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 16:26:57
Thanks to James Dempsey for the power outage update. Glad your lights are back on.
East Harwich, MA USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 11:24:53
Bruce - I'm not in Chatham right now, but I have cameras at my house there that let me look around. Looks like around 8" of snow. Wind gusts were intense with 81mph being recorded in Falmouth -- that's probably what led to so many power outages. For most of yesterday, Eversource said 100% of Chatham was without power. Now their saying that only about 30% remain without power. Power at my house near Hardings Beach came back at about 5:30am this morning.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 09:49:29
I'm sure we will all miss Carol Kelley. She was the kind of person that made Chatham such a great place to grow up in. When my mother, Peggy Dempsey, was in her late 80s and getting treatment for lung cancer, it was hard for me to get down to Chatham to take her to every appointment. Carol volunteered to do it some times and it was a godsend to me. Thank you Carol! My mom and Carol were in the Cape Chordaires barbershop chorus together. Condolences to Jeff, Tami and Todd and the rest of the Kelley family.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 03/14/2018 - 09:47:09
For those of us off Cape, can some regulars here let us know how you are faring in the storm. Looks like most everyone has lost power in Chatham/ Harwich/ Orleans area. Does anyone have power? How about tree damage or tidal surge? Thank you and stay safe.
USA - Tue 03/13/2018 - 20:27:12
Via Facebook and her family, I learned this morning that we've lost another of our regular posters here last night: Carol Kelley. Will miss her contributions here, and condolences to her family. Sharing here as some of you may not be on FB.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/13/2018 - 14:47:32
Thank you Ben for your "feel good" story about Navy Seal LT Dan Cnossen and his gold medal win. I'm also sure that Carl is just thrilled by Dan's wonderful achievement. If you see Dan again, give him my congratulations.
Anna Olson Woodland

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Tue 03/13/2018 - 11:51:37
Jared... I recall that the Little League field WAS a swamp at times, and still is during prolonged wet spells such as the one we are enduring as I type.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/13/2018 - 06:39:46
Here's a "feel good" story for the Room - In 2009, when Navy Seal LT Dan Cnossen was in bad shape after losing both legs above the knee (the only double amputee Navy Seal in history)
, his mother and sister were staying with him at the hospital and started a blog about his progress. Our own "Chowdahman",the late Carl Olson, heard about it and sent Dan and his family some of his famous chowder. I do know they received it at the hospital and it meant a lot to them in those trying times - Now to the good part Dan Cnossen just won the biathlon Gold Medal for the USA at the paralympics! Don't tell me the Chowdahman isn't lovin it

Ben H
USA - Mon 03/12/2018 - 23:12:09
The Little League Field was not a swamp when John Whelan, Bob Ryder, and a bunch of other boys and I played on it back in the late 40's or early 50's.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/12/2018 - 09:53:50
Missed the first double post that John erased, caught the second one of Sean's in its entirety. Sean, you might wish to think about 3 words, supposition, comdemnation and trust.
Since the double post content was not known to me, it's difficult to consider even making a comment other than to think that whoever it was that wrote it, must have felt very flustrated.
A little story for you Sean: It was about 20 years ago, I was returning from a New England flight and lost an engine with the plane vibrating like no one's tomorrow (and yes, we were no Cactus 1549 crew, but we were forced to shut everything down). It was a summer night, 9:00 PM and we were at 3000 ft. My cockpit companion (who is now deceased) and I trusted each other to the hilt. We glided into Westchester without incident, but for me, you can be sure, that I saw my life flash in front of me for a second.

I am sorry to hear you needs assessment story, I can only hope that this does not happen everywhere and should it do so, I have to trust that someone would step up and say something.

And as to those two other "Chatham Representatives" that press reporter caught them "red Handed" (twice, once in the extra expense and the a second time in an outright lie with "this security of a room thing"). Speaks very well of Character

John, in that 9:00 o clock moment, I would have liked to have had you by my side.

It's not easy to do the right thing all the time and when you come to those crossroads, it can be even more difficult than one realizes-yes I make mistakes.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/12/2018 - 09:06:23
Ok - regarding Sean and the deleted post:
1) Due to the language and attacks used in that deleted post, I will not be putting it back here. I will share it privately upon request but not here.
2) I am NOT happy that Sean chose to reveal in his last post some info that I intended for him ONLY and which was partially speculative but he wrote it as definite and thus while some of you may have seen it in the hour or so it was here, I deleted that sentence because I consider it privileged communication. Some may disagree with that and if you do, let me know privately, ok?

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 21:45:43
I was recently informed by John about a post that was directed at me that he removed. I have since asked him if he would consider leaving it up as I believe it is a perfect example of why people do not wish to participate with their public opinions about anything. I will discuss with John and we will see what happens.... ..... The old adage of sticks and stones is how I feel about it and if that is what it takes to call out those who think its ok to attack people's intent, character when they disagree with a public disagreement then that is a small price to pay. I hope irrespective of where anyone is on a public issue we can agree that all should be applauded for taking part in that debate and the real problem is the vast majority that do not. I applaud all those here who contribute and share their views in a respectful manner.
Now a short story about the Senior Center....... When I was on the BOS many building projects came before us. I learned that the town paid for a "Needs Assessment" for all of our public buildings. . I looked into what exactly a needs assessment was..... Much to my chagrin a Needs assessment was little more than the consultant meeting with the people who would use that particular building and be working in that building what it was that they thought they "needed" to perform their daily duties.... IN short, a needs assessment is a "Wants" dream list by the people who will be in the building. WE need a better review process than that.

Sean < >
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 20:15:52
In light of the Supreme Judicial Court's decision in Caplan v. Acton last week, whether the Selectmen will consider a clawback of the Community Preservation funds given to St. Christophers? The decision finds that substantial public aid (Community Preservation monies) to a church is unconstitutional.
USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 16:00:32
Thank you John for clarifying that. I hope the Finance Committee continues it's due diligence and encourages folks to utilize the Community Building.
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 14:11:54
I also don't believe we need to construct a new COA. With all of the space that is underutilized in the Community Center, I think it makes more sense to use that. Or determine if the current COA can be retrofitted without cataclysmic costs. One location that was suggested for a new COA was the little league field next to Vets Field. Wasn't the little league field old swamp land many, many years ago?
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 11:40:07
Just to be absolutely clear, The Finance Committee was not against the idea of a new Senior Center. We did not believe the size and scale in the proposal was needed.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 11:02:49
FYI: Just removed a double post of something that made it past my site filters mostly but still was a clear violation of my rules regarding personal attacks and was by a name that was unrecognized as having posted before. Posts like that will not be tolerated and will be removed but as it's a manual process, may not be done as quickly as I would like to. The post in question would never be published in the Chronicle Letters so it's not going to appear here either, ok?
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/11/2018 - 04:49:21
Alan - Great points. I read the article. Ron Bergstrom stated "he didn't know it was extra money to have an upgraded room". . . anyone in this day and age that doesn't know a hotel upgrade cost more should not be employed in that position. The other part of the article stated the woman responsible for the oversight in booking the rooms made the comment that they didn't "exceed" their budget. That is a ridiculous statement. Just because you have it - doesn't mea you spend it. They should be fired. What is with these people?

Secondly - Janice - I am in complete agreement with you. The Community Building would suffice. The Selectman do not need to add another expense such as this building to their resumes. The taxpayers are not an ever-ending source of money to fund this unnecessary capital expense. The Finance Committee recommended AGAINST it. There have been reports of several town employees going to the COA for lunch on the days they served lunches for the seniors - getting their meals free courtesy of the taxpayers. I think a lot more oversight of that Center is in order. There is no excuse that the Community Building wouldn't satisfy the current needs for a new center. Thank you for speaking up. People are getting fed up with the unnecessary spending and the build-out going on in this Town.

W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/10/2018 - 19:17:38
I am not here often but after hearing about a new Senior Center I have to post.I think the town should look around at the buildings it already owns and to start to use them.We don't need a new center.If parking is a problem then maybe the people who work there should park on the side of the building where the vans park and that would free up spaces for visitors or maybe look at paving some of the grass area.If class are too big, you might be able to have 2 small classes on different days.I see many times on some days there are very few cars there put some of the classes or events on those days.There are 2 large rooms upstairs that could be utilized better.The town has to stop raising our taxes at the drop of a hat and start to find better solutions instead of building new buildings.We are being taxed to death!
Janice S
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/10/2018 - 14:49:10
Perhaps some may have seen today's Cape Cod Times article "Suite deal for Barnstable County Officials Criticized" written by Geoff Spillane. Only the "suite" expenses were mentioned, but what about meals and other Charge offs. I believe 2 of the six attendees to the Mass. Municipal Association Meeting are "connected" with Chatham (representing or living in the town). The Barnstable County Gov't has major budget sustainability problems already. Because of this little caper, Chairman Leo Cakounes has requested a "thorough Review" of the policy for expenses for the county. In light of this, could it be a good idea for local level officials to evaluate expense policies with a review as well? And just as important, what was learned or shared with local officials from this MMA Meeting-was there any formal report submitted?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 03/10/2018 - 14:24:07
Melissa - please contact me privately- thanks!
Judyp <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/09/2018 - 20:54:31
Anyone know about a house that was supposedly moved from Great Island (the tavern site) in Wellfleet to Chatham? Inquiring minds want to know where that house might be.

(Don't want Alan to get us off track too much here.)

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/09/2018 - 17:40:06
Alan W: Since you're not acquainted with some folks who post here, I'll just mention that Sean Summers is a former member/chairman of the Board Of Selectmen and owns a cleaning company in town. He's well known and respected by lots of folks and I appreciate his continued postings here.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 03/09/2018 - 16:55:40
Do not know you at all, however let's just say, your text immediately below is much more positive than the earlier one. Far be it by me to say good job as I am no saint myself, but good job Sean.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 03/09/2018 - 13:32:28
Greetings, I appreciate the comments. Although too Alan I sincerely would like to know why you felt my comment was following a path of "pronounced vengeance"? And Elaine, how was I "attacking and bullying".
The point I was trying to make was that I felt far too many do attack people on a personal level when they disagree with them on a policy level? I totally agree that when that happens it makes others not want to join the public discourse which I think we all agree is not a good thing. BTW Elaine you are right in that I was mistaken about the 10 unit cap. That is for those who must go to the zba not the by-right proposal. Just to let you know I have written subsequently to the planning board and encouraged them to introduce a restriction to the by-right ADU proposal to a ten cap limit and require an annual review subsequently. I believe this would hopefully remove concern that units will spring up all over town. It also would be a fair way to judge whether or not the few that are built are done in a way that is in keeping with the towns character and are actually providing housing for a segment of society that seem to be exiting the town in droves.... I believe that it is better to let the private sector manage and pay for these things with necessary restrictions than it is to use tax money to plan a another major housing project like lake street. Im saying if you don't support some apartment creation thru zoning, which chatham doesn't, then the town will give away swaths of open space which I believe is better kept as open space. ... However, the main point was simply why attack individuals or speculate on what their intention is because we disagree with their position on any controversial public project. It does discourage debate and participation.

Sean < >
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 03/09/2018 - 12:56:55
Fellow Chatters, Your posts are powerful and deserve the widest audience possible. Letters to the Editor? Just suggesting...
USA - Fri 03/09/2018 - 09:02:13
I was disappointed to read Mr. Myer's letter in the Chronicle today as well. I could not be in any greater disagreement with him regarding Jared's honest, heart-felt letter. The end does not justify the means. This particular developer went to Mr. LaRose in West Chatham and offered him cash for his property and the surrounding acres of land. He talked him into a deal that benefitted NO ONE except himself. I believe Mr. LaRose was clearly taken advantage of. He did not receive anywhere near the value of his land. How someone could live with themself after clearly doing something as despicable a that leaves me feeling nothing but utter disgust and contempt. He has also done the same with many other properties in town and made a huge profit. I do not believe a "philanthropist" looks for his name on buildings (clinic in West Chatham) and the Fisherman's Alliance. As far as the Mayflower, most locals will not even enter the shop anymore because it's anything but the building and business we all loved and frequented. Chatham doesn't have that many restaurants because this same individual took them, one by one, and converted them into condos/businesses. I do not believe that the scope of his work deserves praise or respect, because in my opinion, the real benefit has always been self-serving. I can also assure you I am not the only individual that has these thoughts. Also, for the record, Mr. Myers is living in one of the "former restaurants" when he decides to "travel" to Chatham. This individual also made monetary donations for the candidate that wanted pot to be sold in Chatham. Is this what our Town has come to?
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/08/2018 - 16:34:37
Read George Myers letter in the Chronicle skillfully attacking Jared Fulcher about Dave Oppenheim. Can't say as I find anything that George writes to be too credible. Didn't Oppenheim contribute money to a candidate that is all for pot in Chatham? Didn't George also support a candidate, now Selectman, that is OK with pot in Chatham? Great judgement. Folks, with all that our Nation is going through we don't need drugs in Chatham.
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/08/2018 - 16:16:39
Your text concerning ADU's is one that seems to follow a path of pronounced vengeance rather than offering anything constructive. During that 27 FEB. 2018 meeting Elaine Gibbs's presentation and the letter that was read aloud by a community member provided a scenario of how poorly thought this by law was originally written.

Further, any good listener and a little ingenuity to what was presented, could now upgrade the planning board's proposal to a useful and robust working document that would allow for all to achieve their objectives, no matter what side of the fence one falls on. A far more surgical approach if you will.

In fact, there was a ton of positive information to draw from and no one was wishing to stop the ADU proposal. You are entitled to your opinion, however I see your comments as no more than warping the sense of perspective and distortion of the situational facts that could advance the program ahead.

And no one should believe for a second that the folks who presented, view the planning board as ruining the town. And that Planning Board Member who was looking and questioning his character or the planning boards Character for that matter, might wish to review that comment. There is no room for this kind of temperament if one is looking for true compromise!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 03/08/2018 - 08:58:03
Sean, I think you protest too much and have it backwards. Insulting/bullying those who disagree with you does nothing to advance public discourse. The very reason most people don't "attend" meetings or speak out is they get verbally and publicly attacked to silence their opposition-as you did here. You made claims at the Planning Board meeting last week that were simply inaccurate and therefore misleading. The ADU bylaw is not limited to 10 Accessory Dwellings(ADU) per year as you said. It is only 'Special Permit' ADU's that are limited to 10- a HUGE difference the public might not understand, but you should know if you actually read the proposed Bylaw. Facts matter. This Bylaw will eliminate single family dwelling lot protection throughout town. It will allow 1000 sq ft "By Right" ADUs to be built next door without abutter notification or public hearing. This bylaw won't increase moderately priced year round rentals as promised because it doesn't require ADUs be rented at all. It will increase the number of high-end summer rentals with no occupancy limit- because there's no enforcement to make sure rentals are year round or moderately priced. It will create more family compounds on lots that wouldn't otherwise permit a Guest House. It will increase property values for those who build ADUs at the expense of their neighbors who can't afford to. It will make Chatham less affordable- not more; more unattainable, with more gentrification- not less. It's a real boon for developers and realtors since we're running out of undeveloped land. The consequent impact of increased density over the long term on natural/environmental resources, public services, and historic character hasn't even been addressed. If it won't accomplish its purported intent, I question why this is being pushed so hard by developers and attorneys.
USA - Thu 03/08/2018 - 08:45:25
To Judy, Jared and a few others. How is it that you claim to know that those who took the time to attend the meetings of the planning board and the apartment by-law are Mal intended? Do you really think they desire to "ruin the town" for their own selfish desires? Amongst the personal attacks and the claims to know the evil intentions of those who disagree with you I was kind of wondering why it was that you did not attend the meeting yourself? While clearly you do not agree with the planning board proposal Im wondering if you have anything positive to offer? any ideas? Do you not think that locals and young people are leaving in droves? Would you rather the town give away acres of limited open space for massive housing developments? Instead of accusing all who disagree with you of being of evil or of having selfish intent perhaps next time you could share some ideas on how you feel this issue should be addressed if at all? Just a thought. Its fine to disagree and debate issues, that is a healthy democracy in action. Questioning character and intent of those who you disagree with is truly the root cause of why so few are willing to contribute to the public debate. And when that happens we all lose. Have a lovely day.
Sean < >
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 03/07/2018 - 20:49:39
I agree with you Jared. If only the powers that be were half as diligent, smart and truly interested in assessing what is really happening to Chatham, and who is responsible for the massive changes. I do not agree with you that only one of the "players" in the rise of development is to blame. Please consider some of his projects that have been benevolent and have turned out to be genuine assets in the face of many nay-sayers.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 03/07/2018 - 17:59:23
I've been following Elaine's comments for many years (as have many others I'm sure). She has always done her homework on the important issues and stands for what she believes is right, even if she stands alone. That is very commendable, given the divided public arena in this town. Good for her and her willingness to do her research.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/07/2018 - 17:29:44
At the lighthouse, South and North seem to have a water connection again. It was low tide when I saw it today and I would imagine much more at high tide. Is this new from the storm? It's looking like it going back the way it was before the break years ago. Sand is closing in the beach and the water is widening.
Bll P <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/05/2018 - 15:01:15
Thank you so much Alan. I am surprised more folks haven't spoken out against this and how these people are trying to ruin this town.
Judy <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/05/2018 - 07:49:36
You are absolutely right on your assessment of Elaine s presentation and she does some outstanding "heavy lifting" but she cannot do it by herself. People on numbers make the machine move. And comments like yours in support of Elaine, might touch another and another.

alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/05/2018 - 07:16:50
Still no power downtown after 38 hours of outage. Stay where you are Emily!
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/04/2018 - 07:32:42
As I sit here bathed in blue sky sunshine, I am really worried about the storm in Chatham! Friends Dave and Nancy Wilber are currently bunked in my little house which is protected from NE winds by the hill behind.....heat, water on, candles ready, down comforters and some decent wine at hand. Wishing everyone else the same!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 03/02/2018 - 15:35:26
I watched the Planning Board meeting on tv last night. I was absolutely appalled at the behavior of Mr. Geagan. Elaine Gibbs had extremely well-prepared documentation stating problems with the proposed by-laws regarding the ADU's. She pointed out some very important areas to be taken into consideration; i.e. oversite of rental income by Town officials as well as several other major points. She mentioned other Towns and their by-laws and how they were written. It's pretty clear they haven't even bothered to read the bylaws from the other towns. Geagan cut her off by saying we should just try it and if it backfires "oh well". He then proceeded to rudely criticize all her well-made points. Folks wonder why no one speaks up anymore? This is an example of a representative of a town board out of control. The Chairman didn't even tell him to stop. Apparently the PB has decided they will speak for all the people. If we don't start calling these people out and taking back our town there won't be anything left. This is still a developer's dream, no matter what spin Ms. Seldin, or Mr. Summers and Oppenheim try to present it as.
Judy <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/28/2018 - 10:08:02
We just got our Chronicle today, and we stand with both of you. Thank you Jared.
Barry and Sylvia <>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 02/26/2018 - 21:31:00
Oh, snap! I second Judy's post!
USA - Mon 02/26/2018 - 13:48:15
Jared - absolutely outstanding letter in today's Chronicle. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for expressing what so many of us feel.
Judy <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/21/2018 - 15:15:47
Last week I finished Jane's book "That Harding Girl". It was a very good read. As always, I was enthused to read about how things were from someone who saw it all. Some of Jane's stories were very funny. I have to admit I do miss running into Jane especially when she and Pat would be at the Friday night VFW dinners. Also JimP; I read your book last year (both your book and your mom's book came as gifts). Great job to you and your co-author. Your book was extremely informative about the political challenges facing today's military. I couldn't put it down!
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/20/2018 - 20:24:35
It was Edmund Chapman. I do not know what happened to him. He sold the house a couple of years ago.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/20/2018 - 14:50:14
His last name was Chapman, sorry I can't remember his first name.
Barry and Sylvia <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/20/2018 - 14:22:40
Does anyone know what ever became of that fellow who worked for an oil co I believe in Qatar and bought a place on Doane Road? I think he hosted a gathering or two a few years back of the CHAT-M-Room crowd. Haven't seen him on here in a while.
East Harwich, MA USA - Tue 02/20/2018 - 13:55:51
Alan as a relative newcomer you have to bear with us as we remember those who have had such a great impact on this room like Donnie Nick, Jane, and Carl Chowdahman. Brenda and her husband Paul Lucas "Captain Eelgrass" bring back memories of a great Chatham basketball team (Hal Arends) and (Brenda) the best family restaurant in Chatham. Jane and Carl used to lead us in various quizes and memories on here like movies shown in the '50s and the candies/refreshments (High and the Mighty, Hoodsie cups,Necco wafers) So please try to understand many of us are growing older on here together and really cherish those memories and connections - to your point, yes we do have fun on here
Ben H, Necco wafers
USA - Mon 02/19/2018 - 22:19:46
Yes, Nancy you nailed it !!!!
Not only do we have our own classmates, but those who came slightly before us and slightly after us. Our web of friends comes out of shared experiences growing up in Chatham. This Room allows us to reflect on some of those experiences.
Thanks be to Mr. Halgren!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/19/2018 - 17:19:32
Thank you Nancy: you're exactly right, weren't we fortunate to have grown up here.
Barry and Sylvia <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/19/2018 - 12:26:00
Alan, Not to worry.....Richard always has fun. He was merely lamenting the loss of a classmate of 12 years. For those of us who grew up here, our classmates are like siblings and that IS the beauty of Chatham.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 02/19/2018 - 10:21:17
Anyone out there or have you all gone fishing

Mr. Ryder, your last post seems to take in the breath of an old Crosby Stills and Nash Song-Teach Your Children well. It opens with a verse of somewhat genius "And so become yourself because the past is just a goodbye" Harsh as it is, we all must move on- however the hope is that our souls expand with joy and the light and so when we leave this passage (trip), one leaves in better shape than we arrived.

Despite the struggles, what matters is the joy of living and having fun. Chatham has been and can be a place to have this fun

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 02/19/2018 - 00:12:41
Such a grand outpouring of good people today at Brenda's service. The family didn't know how many might attend, but there was standing room only for folks who came to honor a real generous, loving woman. Her spirit lives on in her children and grandchildren. In my estimation, we go to funeral and remembrance services to give courage and support to those the deceased leaves behind.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/12/2018 - 17:50:52
Over the past year and more, the site has mainly focused on the past and history and that's OK-I get it. Its my guess that some even think that John Hallgran's room is exclusively for this. Maybe it is.

Should not the future Count for something? I ask the question about Chatham's young and a student elementary decline of some 12% over the past year, as revealed by the Chronicle this past week. Nothing will ever stay the same, but student population of today will provide the foundation of tomorrow.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 02/11/2018 - 15:37:40
Skydiving and Chatham Airport A letter to the Chronicle editor, from a signed Boulder Co. resident seemed to be complaining about all the noise that (implying) would now come to Chatham by de Havilland Twin Otters. That this aircraft will be in constant departure and arrival modes all day long with skydivers-enough. These anti noise advocates should be careful for what they wish for. Most of the folks in this camp, also do not wish General Aviation airports existence either. Beyond all of this, if a skydiver would land in my own back yard-great and I bet the kids would get a charge out of this.

Seems to me, that the Big Money trying to stop all of this with their own legal maneuvering, could find far better ways to spend their money.

Airports should be protected, for more and more of them across the country have or will succumb to Bulldozers for Condos and super homes. Ask a Delta or United Captain, or Military officer where they first learned to fly?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 02/11/2018 - 15:10:05
Regarding Fleur Jones, who wrote the recent Letter to the Editor titled "The One and Only Carl Olson". She wrote that when Carl's sister (that's me) got wind of some of his memoirs, in the writing group which was attended by both of them, I put a stop to it. I am not upset about what she wrote but I don't recall that situation and would just like to know more about it now. I'm sure someone out there knows how either I can get in touch with via her email or phone or if Ms. Jones prefers, give her my email address which is I do hope to have a nice conversation with her either way. Many thanks. Anna Olson Woodland
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 02/10/2018 - 12:38:57
Sad to say that another of the Class on 1957 of Chatham High School has slipped away. Brenda S. Hackett died the other day, nearly a year to the day after her husband Paul Lucas crossed the bar. If there is any bright side to this, she and Carl Olson were able to be at our 60th High School reunion last Fall..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/06/2018 - 17:47:28
closed,out fishing in Florida.
alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 02/06/2018 - 08:05:34
Barnstable County also provides the PSAP (public safety answering point) for the Town and several other towns on the Cape. This means that when you dial 911 from a landline phone the call goes to a Barnstable County dispatcher at Otis AFB. Once they determine your need, they transfer the call to either PD or FD. The Town pays County a fee for this service, but now that the Barnstable Sheriff's office is under state jurisdiction I don't know if it qualifies as a County expense or State expense.
Judy: I completely agree. You can't say you didn't know the airport existed where it does. If you don't like the noise, don't buy a house near it.

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/04/2018 - 20:31:23
Anyone have any thoughts on the skydivingissue at the airport?? I'm surprised the nay-sayers are still at it. Do they truly believe they know what's best for everyone else? If they don't want to skydive, don't. As far as the noise - what would one expect when they buy a house near the airport. It bothers me the Town has to defend their decision against these folks by wasting tax payers dollars. My opinion. Just curious as to what others think about it. . .
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/04/2018 - 15:27:41
Ben H:
Did some research on Neatsfoot oil and find that the oil comes the lower legs of "neat" aka English cattle. The oil doesn't congeal at low temps, so the cattle can keep moving when it is cold. Brother John probably used it on his baseball glove.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/04/2018 - 13:59:36
Ben H.: He's referring to this article and as to possible answers: The County provides traffic counts, engineering/design services and dredging. Those are the services that easily come to my mind so I didn't see his post as being complicated.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 02/04/2018 - 12:53:11
I respect Alan but I don't always understand what he is saying - please "dumb it down" for me Alan like Johnny Whelan does - "13 days until Red Sox pitchers and catchers" I get it and it means the smells and sounds of baseball from little kids to the big leagues - anyone ever wrap a new baseball glove with a ball in the pocket and then soak it in neatsfoot oil for a couple of days? I did that because Johnny Pesky said that was the way to break in a new glove. Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Sat 02/03/2018 - 22:50:14
So may items to discuss and so little being discussed.
Example: Barnstable County Comm. suggesting that the commission's Gov't not sustainable in the immediate future. Capecod Times reports that employee and post employee expenditures have costs that will soon be beyond the budget's capability when the interviewed the commissioner.
Does anyone know what any one or two major services are provided to Chatham by the County?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 02/02/2018 - 14:09:42
John- I saw your post and starting looking for the "like" button!!!
West Chatham , MA USA - Thu 02/01/2018 - 17:47:43
13 days to Red Sox pitchers and catchers!
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/01/2018 - 13:06:00
I have heard recently that folks have run out of either propane or fuel oil because the delivery company didn't deliver fuel in a timely manner. The Fuel Degree Day formulas they use DO NOT take in to account the loss of heat on a building due to the wind! Out here in Eastham with the temps below ten degrees, and the wind blowing at 40 mph, there can be an awful lot of heat lost due to the wind,. That is not figured in to the Fuel Degree Day calculations that many delivery companies use. My advice is to ask your supplier if they include the heat loss due to wind. If they don't then don't expect them to keep you properly supplied.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/29/2018 - 17:33:00
My memories of that storm are rather vague, sorry Tim.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/29/2018 - 12:48:41
I was not living in Chatham during the '78 Blizzard but not too far away; Marshfield. We had over 2 feet of snow and lost power for a week. Thankfully we had a fireplace and used it for heat and cooking. The bricks stayed so hot it took but 20 minutes to bake potatoes. We camped out near the fireplace to keep warm. I was never so happy to have power when it came back on but the entire experience was meaningful and we formed lasting bonds in our neighborhood.

Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 01/28/2018 - 09:34:19
"Seaworthy" phenomenon: A North Atlantic Right Whale was recently sighted in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Naples. It was estimated to be 30 to 40 feet long. It was reported that only 500 whales of this kind are left in the world! The last time one was sighted in the Gulf waters in this part of SW Florida was in 1966. Just so you know!!!

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 01/27/2018 - 15:32:10
Tim Wood:
Sorry to say I was not around but was in charge of the Naval Hospital Food Service at Groton, Ct at the time. We had maybe 18" of snow, and the roads were officially closed. I am very proud to say that my scheduled kitchen staff showed up for duty, on time, that morning. I was, and am, so many years later very proud of them . They were all dedicated Civil Servants.
I know the Blizzard effects were different on the Cape.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/26/2018 - 19:18:23
The Chronicle is doing a story on the 40th anniversary of the Blizzard of '78. Although there wasn't much snow here, it had a major impact on Chatham, most significantly splitting Monomoy in two. We're looking for any recollections or photos people might have of the storm and its impact. I can be contact at or 508-945-2220. Thanks!
Tim Wood <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/26/2018 - 13:08:32
Jean and I wish to send our Condolences also to Jane's family.
In the 1930s the Children's Shop was not at it's present location.. That side of the building was an apartment rented to my Grandmother, Clara Eldredge. I stayed with Clara from 1938 to 1940. The other side of the building was the Paddock Bar...Just a little history..

Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/23/2018 - 19:12:47
Condolences to the family of Jane Nickerson West, my first Chatham employer at The Children's Shop.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/23/2018 - 15:40:35
Yes John Whelan, it did seem low to me as well. However, believable. I do know that in January, 1940, there were 18 kids born in Barnstable County. Pleased to be one of them!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/20/2018 - 17:07:10
I was so pleased to read such nice things about the entry I made about Carl and our Grandma Olson. Thank you very much. It means so much to me. And I appreciate the cards which I received also. I think of Carl every day and miss him lots too. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 01/20/2018 - 15:13:19
Richard, the number of births seems to be too low. I looked up on the Town's Web Page in the Town Clerk's Report. 25 births in 2015 and 2016, 27 in 2014. So 1 looks like a distorted figure. We can wait for the 2017 Town Report to see.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/20/2018 - 00:53:27
I was in Chatham yesterday and today , involved with the Monomoy Middle School kids "Finest Hours" history project. Three things I learned: First, the kids were well behaved! Second, One of the teachers told me that in the Town of Chatham last year, only ONE child was born to Chatham parents. She was very concerned about the fact that there are so many houses unoccupied. What will happen if the enrollment declines even more?
The third item I noticed is that gasoline at Cumberland Farms at the rotary was 20 cents cheaper per gallon of basic gas than it is at the same brand store in Eastham! Must be a gas war going on.

Too bad Carl is not available to comment on these items. Others can speak up in his stead.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/19/2018 - 17:21:09
Anna, your grandmother's letter to Carl was inspirational - thank you for sharing
When you asked us to pray for Carl, I did the best I could for him by sharing "Crossing the Bar" because it so reminds me of the Chatham bars and so many people like Carl
Sunset and evening star,
And one clear call for me!
And may there be no moaning of the bar,
When I put out to sea,

But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
Too full for sound and foam,
When that which drew from out the boundless deep
Turns again home.

Twilight and evening bell,
And after that the dark!
And may there be no sadness of farewell,
When I embark;

For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place
The flood may bear me far,
I hope to see my Pilot face to face
When I have crost the bar.

I ended with my own version of the Lords Prayer because I knew Carl would chuckle "Our Father Who art in heaven Hallowell be thy name..."

Chowdahman will be missed

Ben H
USA - Wed 01/17/2018 - 20:17:37
An inspiring letter for all of us. I love how it combines her concern for a young man leaving home for the Navy and her faith that God will take care of him.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Wed 01/17/2018 - 07:53:39
Thank you Anna for that!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/17/2018 - 03:57:21
Thank you, Anna
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/16/2018 - 22:19:19
Thanks Anna. It was great to read that!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/16/2018 - 19:53:13
Thank you Anna for your lovely post.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 01/16/2018 - 18:16:12
What a sweet thing for you to do, to take the time , and effort , to post a letter that your grandmother wrote to Carl. Her mastery of English must have been an inspiration for Carl as well as yourself.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/16/2018 - 17:22:06
Re: Carl B. Olson, my brother:

Background: Our Swedish grandmother emigrated from Sweden to America in 1887 when she was 20 years old. She came here alone. She learned to speak English, write in English, and read English.

This is a letter which she sent to Carl when he joined the U.S. Navy after graduating from Chatham High School in 1957.

"I am thinking of you always in my prayers that God may protect you from harm but above all from sin that so easily besets us. You are now among all kinds of fellows, many of whom haven't had the bringing up that you had. Thank God for that. You say in your letter to me that you wish you could be as ready as me when your time comes to die, well you can. God gives you grace to live and He gives grace to die when that time comes. Commit yourself to Him and trust also in Him and He will bring it to pass. The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. What a comfort to know." Grandma Olson
Anna Woodland

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Tue 01/16/2018 - 11:14:20
That it is Nancy. He's playing this usual.

I could hear the collective sigh of relief from the Quahog flats.

USA - Mon 01/15/2018 - 19:15:36
Jim, I look at it as a silent tribute to Carl. Having said that, it would be just like him to start the ball rolling again. Next??
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 01/15/2018 - 15:05:55
Did you all freeze up there...???
USA - Mon 01/15/2018 - 08:24:20
I always enjoyed Carl's humor and funny attitude. A few years back I ran into him at the Veterans Day parade. He asked me how my baby was. This was a few years before I did have kids. I said, "I didn't know I had a baby!" He laughed and replied he had heard I had had a baby recently. I will miss the Chowderman for sure.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/08/2018 - 19:09:30
Carl and I were classmates since the First Grade at Chatham Main Street School. Later on, he was a go-to baseball pitcher in High School and a tough competitor on the basketball court.
Our US Navy paths didn't cross, but later on, he and I found a common bond in that our Grandfathers (his GF Howes) were in the U.S. Life-Saving Service at about the same time.

I will certainly miss his wit, and his chowder contributions to so many are legendary, including a one time delivery here to us in Eastham.
It is hard to lose classmates, especially since there were only 22 of us that graduated. And, we have known each other so long.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/07/2018 - 17:41:35
carl, a former neighbor on Indian Hill, made it possible for my wife, Karen and I to purchase our land and home on oval rd. we didn't have enough to cover the entire cost of the land and he allowed us to pay him a little , each month, for about 3 months, to cover his commission. wonderful , supportive individual. Chatham and its people , the way it used to be. Long for a return to the way it was!!
jerry moore <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/07/2018 - 09:59:57
It was my privilege to meet Carl in 2016. Even got a sample of the famous Chowdah. I will miss seeing him here. All the best.
USA - Thu 01/04/2018 - 08:37:46
Carl was a kind, generous, witty man who will be greatly missed by all of us. Hugs to Carol, Anna and their families.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 23:49:58
Judy P, We had 107 runners in The Carnival Caper race.
Thomas Doane <>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 22:44:25
Sorry for your loss Carol and Anna...

Gordon and Jean Pratt

Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 21:19:11
So many good Carl memories - just wondering if everyone knows he "scratched" and then personally prepared 24 chowders which he then shipped at his own expense out here to the Balboa Hospital wounded warrior unit a few years ago when there were almost 200 amputees being treated there - It was so successful that the next year he did it again but included lemon merinque pies with his chowder - never would identify the "pie lady" they were simply known as Chatham Cape Cod Massachusetts "Chowdah Man and Pie Lady" by the wounded warriors and family - that's the way Carl wanted it - So when the room slows down, who's gonna pick us up with a quiz or who will remind us about the First of May with that bawdy ditty he so enjoyed? We'll miss you man
Ben H
USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 20:26:46
Sorry Anna. May his memory rest well with all the family.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 17:02:19
Sad to hear of Carl's passing.
R.I.P. Carl. You will be remembered well.
Condolences to Carole, Anna and family.

Kathleen Nowak
Sebastian, FL USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 15:39:40
Rest in peace Carl.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 13:18:40
Many long ago good memories Carl. R.I.P.
Hal Arends
Lancaster , PA USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 12:51:07
RIP "Chowder Man", my regards to the family.
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/03/2018 - 05:12:07
Dear Carol, please let me share my pain with this loss of Carl. It is so empty for me, but you are so blessed to be filled with Lochlan and Axel. I pray for you to remember all the LOVE.and the fun times too! "The towel lady, fresh out of the shower".,Emily
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/02/2018 - 20:33:46
Carl was so good to so many, all while asking for nothing in return. Rest In Peace Chowderman and smooth sailing on your way to the flats. Condolences to Carol and her family, along with Anna and her family.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 01/02/2018 - 19:39:32
He was so good to my mom after my dad died. He made seversl deliveries of chowder that were so appreciated by her. RIP
Judy P
West Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/02/2018 - 16:59:08
I want to echo Wayne's post. Carl was a friend to so many and a legend as "Chowderman". He will be missed.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/02/2018 - 16:57:43
A wonderful man and true friend has left us. R.I.P. Carl Olson.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/02/2018 - 14:01:08
Richard, in Feb 1918 the Cross Rip Lightship (LV-6) was trapped in ice in Nantucket Sound. Her master walked 7 miles across the ice to Nantucket to ask if the crew could abandon ship. He was told no, return to the ship. The entire crew was lost when ice crushed the hull.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 01/02/2018 - 08:04:27
I heard today that there will be no ferry service to Nantucket until Friday.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 01/01/2018 - 18:24:52
From our vantage point here in Eastham 50 feet above sea level, as far as we can see is sea ice. No Open water at all. Wonder if ferry access to Nantucket will be halted by ice soon? Years ago, the island was cut off by ice in Nantucket Sound. 1918 I think.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/01/2018 - 17:53:48
May a portion of your 2018 raise your standards of achievement and if there is any discouragement because the are bars are not being met, fill your life with patience, compassion and gratitude. Happy New Year
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 21:06:49
Wishing everyone a Happy New Year especially the Old Timers facing vartous challenges - Just imagining John Whelan in a gorilla suit braving freezing temperatures, hope the reward was worth the challenge
Ben H
USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 19:42:13
Watched the Squire race today - just bitter cold. Saw some interesting costumes! John Whelan - loved the gorilla suit! Not sure how many ran?? 30-50?? Not a lot of participants but kudos to those that braved the cold! Happy New Year to everyone!!
Judy P
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 18:06:59
These cold nights are what our Cape Cod grandfathers and grandmothers experienced, either walking the Beach Patrol or just going out to the outhouse. They were a tough bunch.
Happy New Year to all.
Jared, our wood stove speaks the same language !

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 17:43:59
Happy new year fellow Chathamites. First year that we have decided to stay in rather than go out. The woodstove influenced this decision.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 16:58:15
Happy and healthy New Year 2018.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 13:12:47
My sincere wishes for a happy and healthy 2018 to all my Chat-M-Room friends!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 12/31/2017 - 10:56:17
As part of First Night, the Carnival Caper is at the Squire at 3 PM tomorrow. Costumed Road
Race. T-shirts and Beef Stew in the Squire after the race. Dress warmly!

john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/30/2017 - 18:07:46
Looks like all those folks who "SO Totally Love First Night" are going to be challenged by bitter cold and biting winds. Welcome to real winter on Cape Cod.
First Priority? Keeping warm and safe.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 12/28/2017 - 19:24:49
Merry Christmas to all!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/25/2017 - 05:18:57
A very Merry Christmas to one and all!! And I will give the same advise that I give most every year. Do not stand under the Reindeer when they fly by. If you do do not look up! And pray for the Chowderman!!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/24/2017 - 19:06:29
Merry Christmas to all.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/24/2017 - 15:55:01
Toronto Center now indicating they have word from the North Pole that Santa is leaving early due to heavy enroute expected snows. Estimated time of arrival into Chatham is midnight tomorrow evening. Some stops could be down to sleigh
visual ranges of less than 700 ft, so keep your lights on and at bright levels so efficient stops can be made to deliver the presents. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 12/23/2017 - 23:34:59
Merry Christmas to all on the CHAT-M-Room.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/23/2017 - 23:06:23
Yes, there is a website for the USS Mulliphen. It is, run by former crew members.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/23/2017 - 10:20:32
May your bright light extend outward no matter the trail you travel where ever you may go.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 12/22/2017 - 21:46:29
Carl Mentioned that he always remembered Capt Thomas F. Saunders. During the time frame of early 60's Captain Saunders commanded the USN ship Muliphen. This ship, for most of its life was dedicated as a Cargo Attack Ship. It was decommissioned on 28 Aug 1970. There are plenty of still photos of her, but I think you will be hard pressed to find any video
Not sure if Carl was on board then (early 60's), but the Muliphen, coming out of Anchorage, collided with a Greek ship in the Thimble Shoals Channel.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 12/22/2017 - 21:33:50
Carl Olson was always very proud of his U.S. Navy service . I wonder if there is a website for the ship he served on?
His nickname in High School was BoBo. He was a tough competitor on the Veterans Field , Chatham High School baseball games.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 12/22/2017 - 17:58:54
Carl was Anna's pesky little brother in Sunday School and at Congregational Church Suppers, playing with us under the tables and generally doing what pesky little brothers do. Who would know that his love of poetry and literature would lead him to become an English teacher and his generous nature would show up in the form of digging clams, making delicious chowder and personally delivering it to Chathamites as far as Maine, and that he with Carol would raise a lovely family. Then there's his habit of driving to and from the lights loudly playing Stars and Stripes Forever. Carl, you are a wonderful Chatham icon.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Fri 12/22/2017 - 10:16:49
oh dear Anna,
Healing thoughts for your brother Carl.

Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Fri 12/22/2017 - 09:13:53
Please pray for comfort and peace for my brother, Carl Olson. And for Carol also. Thank you.
Anna Olson Woodland

Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 12/21/2017 - 16:02:39
Please pray for comfort and peace for my brother, Carl Olson, and for Carole too. Thank you. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 12/21/2017 - 15:59:35
Merry Christmas to all, and a big thank you for the "group hug" that Nancy and Clayton posted! I missed so much of the room while Dick was on his downhill journey, but it was fun to catch up this morning. A big hug to Carl, and his new grandson, Axel.
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 12/21/2017 - 10:16:25
Whenever we had a "dead room" in the past, Carl always picked us up with a quiz - sorry to hear he is slowed down these days but want him to know he's not forgotten. My Chat M Room quiz would be more of a challenge - Pick an era in his life then define Carl for someone who doesn't know him - we all know he is one of a kind
ben h
USA - Wed 12/20/2017 - 20:26:19
Jess Nash
Now there is a story for you, a new Honorary Fire Chief in Chatham!
(If you did not catch this-you can find it as a lead story of Chronicle)
Maybe you might be able to see Jesse on the truck responding in his own memorable way May the Nash Family have the Merriest of Christmas's and Keep up the Good Fight Jesse. I'm sure the whole town of Chatham is with you!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 12/20/2017 - 17:43:57
Judy was terrific. Great concert.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/20/2017 - 16:56:38
I had the privilege of seeing Judy in 1978 or 1979 in the then new symphony hall in San Diego. Perfection.
MO USA - Sun 12/17/2017 - 09:02:12
Years ago we heard Judy sing at the Cohasset Music Circus. When she sang "Send In The Clowns" I looked over at my husband and he had tears streaming down his face. Enough said.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 12/16/2017 - 19:01:57
She was one of my icons. I'm so jealous.
USA - Fri 12/15/2017 - 08:32:14
"Ice Cream castles in the air." I understand Judy Collins is going to perform at the High School on Dec. 19. An amazing voice that has the power to lift "one to a realm Beyond"-past or present.
And if she does "Send in the Clowns" Ms. Collins was not speaking of the political folks, know that she was referencing the theatrical happenings and if the live play is not going well, "lets send in the clowns" suggesting that lets do the jokes to relieve the audience perhaps of a possible disappointments. Go Judy

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 12/14/2017 - 20:32:57
Mary Baker was a cook in the Chatham High School in the winter, so as a Senior, I went to the cafeteria to collect lunch money from other kids when they paid for their meals. I ate early, and Mary always made sure I had enough to eat. The cooks made the absolute BEST macaroni and cheese in large baking pans. She was a friend for life!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 12/12/2017 - 17:27:44
Mary Baker and Gladys Nickerson worked there when I was there, along with Betty Bearse, a presser. And maybe Anne Doane one summer.. The older women took care of drying and folding and wrapping the laundry, that I had washed, for various customers.
In the off-season, Castell taught me how to thread steel pipe when we overhauled one of his boilers. Mind you I was not even 16 yet!! He also taught me some ditties that he had learned in the Army. Ruby would deny any knowledge of what he was telling me.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/10/2017 - 19:52:19
There are a lot of Chatham people who worked at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop and Laundry. Myself included! I rode my bike to work there as a 14 year old, and worked for Castell Kelly and Ruby (Bloomer) Kelly for two summers. They treated me well, and left me with huge responsibility for a young kid. I ran large washing machines, an extractor, and doled out bluing to loads that needed it, washed Stanley Bishops pants BEFORE they were dry cleaned. I would go across the street and buy Phillips Stand corn and eat it for lunch without cooking. Not much difference.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/10/2017 - 17:54:40
Carol - was this the laundromat building across from Philips Farm Market? I remember it there.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 12/10/2017 - 14:09:57
For a very short while they were located in the old Jordan Village building on Rte 28. They sure did make great pizza......
Carol Kelley
West Chatham\, MA USA - Sat 12/09/2017 - 17:21:07
Richard, you probably don't remember the pizza place as it was there for a short time late 60's early 70's and I believe you were not around much back then. Something about obligations in other parts of the world. I remember it being there after I got back from Vietnam in 1970. I believe it was also at one or two locations in Chatham. Anybody remember where?
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/09/2017 - 12:38:03
Esta Marias had the best hot roast beef grinders. Really great pizza too! Early to mid 70's.
MO USA - Fri 12/08/2017 - 10:27:20
NOW, this site is working !!!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 12/06/2017 - 17:58:15
It was a little red building at the corner of Route 28 and Uncle Venie's Road. It was set on fire by someone from a competing pizza parlor in Harwich. The arson was caught and convicted.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/06/2017 - 14:22:01
I remember when it was there. Wasn't it a little red building?
W.Chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/06/2017 - 10:44:37
Barry: I have memories of the Red River Ice Plant going back to the mid fifties, blowing smoke rings and all but I have no pizza memories of the place you mention.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 12/05/2017 - 19:23:38
Richard do you remember where Esta Marias Pizza place was beside the Red River Ice Plant, when they tore the restaurant down the gas company was building a new injection site right on the corner and they inject Butane to vaporize the LNG gas.
Barry <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/05/2017 - 18:46:38
Wayne is correct.
When temps get low here in Eastham, the gas co. sets up a" gas plant", which takes LNG on a Thermos like tractor trailer and converts it to gas and then injects it in to the system, which ends here in Eastham.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 12/05/2017 - 17:47:07
Judy,when National Grid bought the Cape Cod Gas Co. they were so intense at expanding that they did not look into things like infrastructure and they found that the piping all over the Cape is a mess and unsafe. They won't even allow any new hook ups of any kind. If you have gas in your house you want them to get this done as soon as possible. There could be great problems!!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 19:56:43
When I was living on Mass Ave in Cambridge in the '70s, they seemed to dig up the road every spring -- starting at 7am in the morning: Too early for a college student! I never could figure out why they needed to do it every year.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 19:41:03
When I was living near NYC (Queens) in the late 60's, the motto was "Dig We Must". Not sure this has any relevance to Route 28 in Chatham now. If there is a backhoe, it has to be employed!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 17:39:22
Thanks Crayton - but couldn't it have waited???
W.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 13:39:12
Judy, Putting in new gas mains.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 13:24:53
Any thoughts on why the West Chatham Roadway is being dug up now and then again in a few months for the "roundabouts". . .seems like an awful waste of money
W.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 13:10:46
Made a mistake on the spelling of Don Coryell's name, sorry.
Mind you, its only a suggestion, if you have a few min. of spare time.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/03/2017 - 22:54:19
Seems like this room is a little dead at the moment.

So for all you Chatham Football fans out there, you wish to see some of the
Real NFL, try googling- "Fred Dryers Tribute to Don Coryal" I think that is the spelling of his last name. I think there is something there for everyone, especially if you need a laugh and you do not have to be a Chargers fan to enjoy.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/03/2017 - 22:47:08
Ben, If only.......
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 22:04:18
Hey Nancy if I recall correctly you now have to bring him one littleneck on the half shell just to get even - Good luck to both of you
Ben H
USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 21:04:03
I agree Nancy.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 14:19:05
I think Emily could use a group hug.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 13:44:09
All the best, Carl.
USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 09:09:26
Saw Carl today. He is doing well. Just been out for a ride with someone whose name I forgot. He is up and about and engaged and grouchy about the physical therapy.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 20:28:12
Thanks Richard - I was up there during the hurricane to do some fly-fishing for stripers (stupid me). I was able to spend some good time with her and she was looking forward to the reunion!! Sounds like ya'll had a great time.
USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 19:45:15
Actually, Cynthia is across the street from where Carl is currently berthed at Liberty Commons. The good news: the two of them were together for our reunion in October.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 19:40:53
Todd, shoot me your e-mail addy back-channel:

Anna, Cynthia is still there - maybe they can get together to say "hey".

USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 18:51:59
Hi Carl, You came to see me when I was at LC and I am feeling a bit guilty about not seeing you, but know you understand how the walking is difficult. Please know I am thinking of you, miss your dry comments on the Chatroom and wish you all the best health wise. You are quite a guy and one who I am privileged to know.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 12:22:41
Hello Carl:
Not sure what has happened or is happening, whatever the case, I hope you are doing fine and all is OK and wishing you all the best

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 10:18:36
For those who don't know, my brother, Carl Olson, is currently a patient at Liberty Commons. He has had a lot of visitors which has been good, so feel free to call him or stop by if you haven't already. Thanks. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Tue 11/28/2017 - 19:10:00
As a 20 year Navy veteran, (1959-1979) with a tour in Vietnam on land and one offshore, I am available.
Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/28/2017 - 13:35:10
Good morning all,

My daughter is in search of a veteran to interview for her high school history class at Nauset. The only caveat is the veteran has not been interviewed previously for this class. Anyone out there interested?? My daughter would greatly appreciate the help and looks forward to learning more and more about our past.

Thank you in advance

George Hamilton <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/28/2017 - 10:55:36
Jim P. Squanto was buried by the English, therefore would not be at the location you referred to. This was the seat of the Monomoyick community and the burial(s) had significant accoutrements and plant fiber garments placed in it that suggest this was holy ground for their Sagamore, the "Most Wise One". If Squanto had family still at Patuxet in 1619 they would never have allowed him to give the store away as he did. Squanto's opportunism brought him to his own demise. He led Bradford right into the inner sanctum of Monomoyick country and though they "feasted on venison and good victuals" he could never be trusted again. He was ostracized. After his return in 1619 he would have been given opportunities by the People to come back into his native culture and community, but he chose to put his own language down and take up the English way. There is no mystery about his death for he was dispatched at Monomoit for his transgressions against the safety and lives of his own countrymen. He was likely buried at Great Point. The first encounter was more realistically at Boat Meadow and not First Encounter Beach and the skirmish from the native side was that of harassing fire to intimidate Myles Standish. This is why there were no deaths. The warriors brought powerful medicine with their arrows and the type of tips they were adorned with. However, the English gathered them up as treasures and souvenirs not having the depth of character nor care to understand the greater meaning behind the arrows and their tactic. Todd K.
Todd Kelley
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/27/2017 - 19:49:39
Yes, and one time he and Mom delivered a bunch to Ithaca, NY where I was living at the time.

He went to Eastham for just three things: if a dragger went ashore, or to buy turnips, or to hunt rabbits in the fall.

Eastham turnips are actually called the Macomber variety, and were grown in Westport, MA as well as Eastham.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/26/2017 - 17:51:36
Our father would always go to Eastham prior to Thanksgiving with a burlap bag, fill it with turnips and distribute them to us. A great memory.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 11/26/2017 - 13:13:18
Richard, two things:

1) My Mom used to send me an "Eastham Turnip" wherever I happened to be on Thanksgiving. I turned some buddies on to them one Thanksgiving down at Fort Bragg - they had never heard of them and loved them. My sister remarked the other day that she failed to get one this year for the first time in years. Now that my Mom's gone, I didn't get one this year. Will have to make arrangements for next year.

I guess it is a locals thing?

2) I read a book years ago that speculated - with some pretty good evidence - that Squanto was buried exactly where you stated. I inferred it was a bluff overlooking Stage Harbor but you may be right. IIRC, we had this discussion a few years ago in here and Jared came in and added some good information. Maybe he or Todd Kelley can chime in and give us their thoughts?

The history of the area is amazing. When I was young and out hunting I'd come across old graveyards that folks have forgotten about. You could develop quite a hobby charting all that stuff out and the historical significance.

USA - Sun 11/26/2017 - 08:26:01
Feeling very fortunate that some of our 14 combined family members had a chance to visit First Encounter Beach the other day so grandkids could learn of the colonists encounter with the native folks. The natives were very upset that the Englishmen had stolen their corn down at Corn Hill in Truro. So, naturally, there was an "Encounter".

Later on, things got better between the two factions.

Eastham is a unique venue for the grandkids, who can (but don't) eat Eastham turnips and can visit the First Encounter site, and on a clear day, can see the hills of Manomet near Plymouth. A four hour shallop cruise for sure.

Now, Chatroom folks, can you support my understanding that Squanto is actually buried on a slight hill over looking Ryder's Cove? Near Dave Archibald's place?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/25/2017 - 17:35:35
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/23/2017 - 04:59:48
May everyone, the best Thanksgiving you ever will have. To those leaving on a jet plane to where ever=safe flight. Those captains driving, be careful.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/22/2017 - 07:50:16
Happy Thanksgiving and may everyone have "A Turkey in their Palm Tree" - John Whelan will explain
Ben H
USA - Tue 11/21/2017 - 19:57:26
I would like to hear from anyone who ate, or had to eat, fried sea duck (coot) breasts from birds shot at the annual "Coot Shoot" down at the Chatham Bar in the early 50's .This would be held Thanksgiving Morning. Served medium rare from a hot frying pan, with ketchup and an awareness that there was lead shot in them, so don't bite down too hard.
Turkey was much better.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/21/2017 - 18:07:05
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/21/2017 - 17:45:30
The first time I came back to Saigon from Rach Gia, Kien Giang province, I was astounded when entering the Officers Club at Ton Son Nhut. They had printed menus, waitresses, and entertainment which I didn't stay for.
Since then, I have learned that the Air force first builds the Officers Club, and only then do they build the runways.
Of course there are a lot of AF officers, as they have to be to be a pilot.

Alan, I wish to hear more about your career, sometime maybe in a declassified talk at the Eldredge Library?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 17:33:50
While some were concerned with the quality of AF food and extracting all that valuable info from NVA Medics about chickens, can I explain that others in the command of AF SAC were concerned about the intrusion of Russian activities to Hanoi. Yes, those Russian SAM's for example. The Russian 75M's usually took about 10-14 missiles to take down an aircraft. Later (1971 time frame) the Russian SAM 125's needed only 3-4 to take one down. We lost more than a few B-52 crews.

The greater concerned lied with Russian Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopastinosti (KGB) and the GRU operating out of Hanoi. The latter was sucking up all our information/technology within the cockpits and our designs.

By 1967 The Chinese entered into the game with their own secret agents (many went undetected by the CIA for awhile. Their own game plan, about 130,000 of them, using numerical Superiority for their tech inferiority, to get thier own info grab.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 11:27:58
"You're killin' me Smalls...".

The Air Force -- a quaint alternative to military service. However, I DO like their chow-halls (or - fine dining establishments as the Air Force calls them).

Thanks Bill.

USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 10:10:25
A Green Beret admits the USAF is the best. Thanks JimP. Those of us in the USAF always knew. Now back to our hot food and warm bed.
Bll P <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 09:36:59
True Richard - in my early days as a Team guy, we were taught the coconut trick when in areas available and lift to a trauma center wasn't quick. Although it is initially sterile, the infusion method leaves a lot to desire, especially - as you said - if you have to do a cut down to get to a vein. Glad we never had to deal with it.

You would be amazed at the advances in trauma care since the war(s) inception. There's a chitosan-based "patch" that you can slap on a compromised artery that literally patches it and stops the bleeding. Live tissue training with this stuff was amazing; what would have been a one-minute bleed-out was prevented if you can access the blow-out.
Bandages infused with quick-clot are common now and the technique is to get a tourniquet on as quickly as possible, pack the wound with this material and it works wonders. So much so that is is no longer common that team guys carry their own ringers and infusion kits. It is no longer automatic for the fist line medic to start a line.
So long as you have a SOF medic available who can stop the bleeding and maybe get a chest tube in, the chances of surviving are huge.

USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 09:30:11
All I know is that the VC medic prisoners I got to interview were TOTALLY scared of the glint of the B-52 bombers that would be overhead. They couldn't hear the planes, they were so high up. But, they knew what was going to happen. I can still feel the rumble of the bombs dropped over the U-Minh forest, which was just south of where I was. The VC medics , through our interpreters, told us about using cocoanut milk as IV fluids. Cut to the quick, insert an IV set.
They also used chicken blood drawn from a live chicken wing and injected with a syringe as a vitamin booster.
Yes, we got to know the Vietnamese much better than most who served in VN.
Later on, I talked with doctors from other countries who told me that using cocoanut milk as a blood volume expander was useful.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 19:52:51
so I guess my putting a JDAM on the seals out on monomoy wasn't a hit...?? How about a few gun-runs from an A-10?

Few orbits from an AC 130...??

something? anything?

USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 19:01:56
Towards the end of the 4th of July Veteran's Field fireworks, I remember the traffic heading into town was jammed up on Rt 28 in West Chatham at least as far west as Stop & Shop at the time the fireworks were beginning on Veteran's Field. It was kind of crazy.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 18:17:36
Forgot to mention that us neighborhood boys would go to Veterans Field after the fireworks the next morning, early, to see how many coins we could get that had drifted out of men's trousers as they lay supine, taking in the fireworks. Cape Codders know opportunities when they see them.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 17:25:40
Since several recent commenters have mentioned the historical fireworks at Veterans Field I thought I'd mention that they've been reinstituted in recent years by First Night Chatham. There's been a great fireworks display at Veterans Field at 6:30 pm on New Years eve for the last several years. The field is ringed with people, the sound system is turned on to provide music, and everyone witnesses the fireworks up close and personal. For those in town, definitely worth checking out.
Steve West <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 09:05:43
Re ball field fireworks: I recall that once an ember landed on the wooden roof of the old Railroad Depot and a few of the wooden shingles caught on fire. Fortunately it was quickly extinguished by our alert fire department. The crowds were massive. It took maybe close to an hour for all the traffic to dissipate. We lived within walking distance so never got stuck in it.
Allen R Boyce
West Hartford, CT USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 07:12:55
When my dad was fire chief, the fireworks salesman would come to the house for dad to select the pieces for the July 4th display. Then we would view them from a friend's fishing boat.I assumed the fireworks were moved to Veteran's field for more space, crowd control and safety and then we're discontinued because of safety and cost.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 02:11:56
Richard, I remember the ball field fireworks. They were great!! I never implied they were canked due to lack of Patriotism. There are still some Patriots left up there, fewer...but they are there.

As to when Texas runs out of water (a possibility) I'll declare myself an "undocumented citizen" and squat on your back yard and avail myself of the wondrous benefits bestowed upon, "ubdocumenteds" that Mass provides. After all, it's only "fair". Maybe parlay my native-american heritage into a one-class 350K gig at Harvard all-the-while railing how the system is "rigged."

All in good jest as I sincerely appreciate your service. Only .47 of 1% today serve. That's an appalling number. Good on ya for you doing your duty.

USA - Thu 11/16/2017 - 20:02:37
Perhaps before you were born, the fireworks were held at the Chatham "Lights', (because there were originally two there). The Chatham fishing fleet had races down to the Chatham bar, then came back and anchored in front of the Station. There were what were called "set pieces" on the sand, and bigger aerial displays later on. Then, the fireworks were moved to the ball field, but the errant sparks tended to set fires over on Old Academy Road, so the fireworks kinda were not pursued further. Absolutely nothing to do with a perceived lack of patriotism.
The absolute worst fireworks display I ever saw was at Guantanamo Bay, where I spent a year at the base. The fireworks were on a barge in the bay, but so far away it was hard to hear them.

Texans can do whatever. But, when they run out of potable water, they will be heading back to New England.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/16/2017 - 19:29:31
Richard, the very thought of me prowling around the shores of Oyster pond and Mill creek with my trusty AR has kept the clam flats safe for the last 40-odd years. You guys ain't speaking Russian or Red-Chinese now, are you?

Keep the faith - we also used to have wonderful fireworks in town. Sad how the cradle of liberty has defaulted to such a nanny-State. Guess that's why I reside in Texas now. It was fun while it lasted....

However, I DO miss the clam flats; the fishing; the shore; duck hunting; pheasants at Marconi; boating; and a whole HECK of a lot of things only Cape Cod can provide. You all still have a wonderful place - I'll get back up there at some point.....(with my 20mm Vulcan) :)

USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 20:22:59
Jim P:
Are you under attack now, or are you feeling so:? I can't imagine anyone would support your firing any sort of weapon over Oyster Pond, no matter the firepower.
I have some photos included in a Chatham photo album taken in 1918 or so, showing a certain type of tank. I hope you could ID the tank nomenclature. Perhaps the photos were taken in France?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 19:36:06
Richard, if the government has a 20 mm Vulcan, I want one. I'll mount it on a truck chassis and fire it on the 4th of July over Oyster pond.

My AR's only allow me to fight my way to my tank. The tank keeps me safe until I can call in close air support. You guys think you have an issue with sky-divers yelling at 8K feet...?? Wait till you get knocked over by a short 2,000 pound JDAM; it'll make a believer out of you.

Might work on the seals out on Monomoy as well....

Jus' sayin'.....

USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 18:42:07
Only the men and women of our Armed Forces need to be proficient in the use of, or in custody of, of an AK-47, an M-15, a later version of the M 15, or a "grease gun" that uses, I think, pistol ammunition and is so crude but does work under adverse conditions.
Wonder if there are any of these rapid fire weapons in Chatham?.
I have fired several of these weapons, and they DO NOT belong in the hands of just anyone who wants to buy one.
The "militia" had single shot weapons .I am OK with those.
Back in my teen years, rabbits trembled when I was around with a 12 guage shotgun and a beagle.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 17:51:51

Went to church in Montana two years ago and the gentleman to my left had a magnum pistol I thought would drop in my lap. Everyone seems to be easy going about guns - even in church. Wonder if anyone will be carrying at the First Congregational Church this Sunday! I believe Montana is an open carry state but you need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 08:30:35

I'm in San Antonio now. The Church was 20 minutes away from work. had a hard time getting accountability of all our people that Sunday. I was amazed that NO ONE in that congregation was carrying. "It's Texas...everyone carries a gun."

Was talking to an FBI cat this morning on an unrelated issue and he was out wrapping up yet another search trying up all the loose-ends. Crazy times, these.

USA - Tue 11/14/2017 - 18:19:59
His wife of 43 years sometimes gives him a hard time about his collection.

"She says, 'What're you going to do with another gun?' I say, 'What're you going to do with another pair of shoes?'"
One day, he'd like to acquire a gun from his favorite actor, Chuck Connors of "The Rifleman" fame, but it'll be expensive.
"I'll have to wait for the wife to get another Coach or Dooney & Bourke purse," he said, a mischievous smile piercing his woolly beard.

From an article on guns on CNN about guns in southwest Texas.

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 11/14/2017 - 08:08:37
Bruce, I remember the '72 flood as if it was yesterday! I was rescued off my fraternity house's roof when the water rose to 5 feet in the house! That was my Junior year of College and the whole summer was put in turmoil! I think it rained in Pa. for 32 straight days. . .I have the deepest empathy for anyone who lives through a flood like that!
Mike Crosman <>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 11/13/2017 - 11:51:46
To Richard Ryder,
I remember the flood of '72. I was working my way through college at a salvage outfit called Railroad Salvage. They bought up damaged goods, paint in dented cans, and such, and sold it at a discount. Spent a weekend in Elmira, NY at a Sears store cleaning the mud and muck out of Kenmore washers and dryers. Earned time and a half all weekend, about $2.75 an hour and free lunch.

Bruce Rogowski <>
East Harwich, MA USA - Sun 11/12/2017 - 20:55:02
Stopped in at Benny's in Dennis today on the way back from Hyannis. Spoke to Colin Stevenson, Class of 1956, and niece Karen Ryder. None of us bought anything, as the place is pretty well cleaned out.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/12/2017 - 17:32:31
Ben: Thanks for asking.
Our reunion at the 400 East was the "finest kind". We had ten of the original class of 22 there, plus wives and others.. The restaurant was very kindly to us, with the one waitress taking orders, delivering them to the right people, taking separate checks, etc.. All in all it was a nice affair. I do plan to send lists of contact info to classmates who I have addresses for.
Totally recommend the 400 East as a place where Chatham High School classes could assemble and be treated well. We had a room to ourselves, but with a limitation of 25 before we'd have to go to a buffet rather than ordering from the menu .Class size does matter. ! Not a problem for us.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/11/2017 - 17:32:35
Does it ever occur to anyone else that this country is all about entertaining ourselves? Like the obsession with football and other sports, video games, TV shows, and streaming movies? While so many of the world's inhabitants barely have enough food to live on? Or potable water? Or any semblance of medical care? Or anything for shelter but a tent in a refugee center?
I don't see anything in the near future that will change this scenario .

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/11/2017 - 16:45:36
One purpose of the military is to protect the American way of life which includes the freedom to peacefully protest. Colin Kapernick chose to kneel during the anthem to draw attention to his cause. Others have kneeled for their own reasons. Thank God (and our military) we still live in a country where they can do that. Defending their right to kneel doesn't mean we agree with or support their message or the venue they chose, nor is that defense contingent on the peaceful protester first passing an accuracy test.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 11/11/2017 - 12:36:39
No one can say it any better than you have, Jim.....
The Kelley family
West Chatham\, MA USA - Fri 11/10/2017 - 08:20:21
Not to make this political, but the whole charade is premised upon emotionally wrong arguments. Read the DOJ report (from the Holder Justice Department) on the shooting of Michael Brown; read the police and judicial reports on Freddie Gray; the "Loosie seller"; etc. Their arguments about "police brutality" are lies.

You may have the right to protest, but please ensure you are accurate in what you protest. Most recent study out of Harvard disproves their emotionally-laden argument. Young black men are LESS likely than other ethnicities to get shot during altercations with Police (i.e. when they disregard the instructions of those lawfully charged with maintaining order).

The flag is many things - having defended it for 36 years and now serving in another capacity, I fought for the right for you to do what you want with it. That's our freedom. But, you OWE the duty of not being an idiot when you protest the Country or Flag. Please remember this on Veteran's Day.....don't do anything stupid like Kneel. Kneel in your own time. Extend a little courtesy - at least for one day - to those who gave you the right to kneel and do stupid things you think are in vogue.

USA - Fri 11/10/2017 - 07:13:51
Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen
The posted poem never mentioned anything about kneeling. It's ironic that the very flag that provides the freedom for those go down on one knee desecrating the flag, allows for this kind of activism. If Police Brutality is the issue, there must be another way than attacking the men and woman who have given all their tomorrows for our today's. And where the NFL is concerned, even the Hall of fame's Jim Brown has questioned this kind of approach. How does it feel to enjoy Freedom?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 11/09/2017 - 22:50:51
Hey Richard and Carl, how was your reunion? Any stories you can repeat or share - remember when we used to have photos of parades and reunions on here - be fun to see - I too liked your kneel comment but I have developed the "reverse kneel" when I read my putts on the golf course - it's hard to do but when people ask I am able to say I am exercizing my right to protest against the kneelers by being a reverse kneeler - got to be agile to do it - just sayin
ben h
USA - Thu 11/09/2017 - 21:40:01
Good comment on the flag and kneeling, Richard.
Lisa Edge
USA - Thu 11/09/2017 - 10:17:31
Yes, Alan, what you know or where you have walked can't be shared with anyone, lest you'd have to terminate them. I get it.

Meanwhile, where are there any Chatham Bay scallops to be found? I see that the fish market in Orleans was selling bay scallops that they purported to be from Eastham and Wellfleet,at $39.00 + a pound, but in fact, the scallops themselves are being harvested in the Westport, MA river, but being opened in an approved facility locally.
So, maybe that is where the disinformation is coming from.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/08/2017 - 17:31:21
Mr. Ryder:

I'll only say this- you have no idea where I have walked.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 11/07/2017 - 18:34:09
Just another canned talk, from someone who didn't do the walk .
With NOT ONE DAY of reserve time, I am a 20 year veteran of the US Navy. Been there, suffered loss of shipmates, and done that. The flag is a symbol. I fly it here in Eastham on the bluff a lot. I am not affronted when others decide to kneel. They do have a message to deliver, and they have chosen their way. As previous posters have.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/07/2017 - 18:03:43
Alan, sometimes your thoughts are ?. But, this one is right on. We need the respect back. And we need it soon.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/06/2017 - 22:21:37
hat off, but when he saw others with their's on, he turned around and slowly walked away. Hey, I'm still the same old Flaggg. A few stars have been been added since those parades, a lot of blood has been shed.
Is it a sin to be patriotic any more? Have you forgotten who I am, what I stand for and where I have been? Anzio Guadalcanal, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan. Take a good look one of these days at the memorial honor roll. All of the names of all those, that never came back, they gave their lives for this great nation to be free. When you salute me, you salute each and every one of them. Well, it won't be long now and I'll be coming down the street, leading the parade and proudly waiving in the breeze. So when you see me coming, stand straight up and salute and I will salute you by waving back. And now I know you remembered me.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 11/06/2017 - 17:10:50
Since the site is in a down moment, and with election and Vet days coming up-a poem for Chatham (somewhat out of the Blue):
Hello, Remember me, some people call me old Glory, others call me the Star Sapangled Banner. But whatever you call me, I'm your flag, the flag of the United states of America. Something has been bothering me, so I thought I would talk it over with you because this is about me and you. Not too long ago, people were lining up on both sides of the street, to see a parade go by and naturally I was leading the parade, proudly waving in the breeze. And when your Daddy saw me coming, he would immediately remove his hat and place it over his left shoulder, so that his right hand would be over his heart. And you, standing there...right next to yout Dad. You didn't have a hat and your little sister, not to be out done, was standing right next to you. Both of yo had your right hand over your heart. What has happened now? I do not feel as proud as proud as I used to... I'm still the same o'ld Flag. I see children around playing, shouting, they don't seem to care
who I am or what I stand for. I saw an elderly elderly gentlemen take his

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 11/06/2017 - 17:01:13
I would contact Dave Archibald. I used to do such things but haven't carved or gilded any signs or eagles for at least 25 years.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/31/2017 - 09:12:39
looking to have a couple scallop shell relief carvings for a new mantel. Anyone in area still carve?
Gary <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/30/2017 - 20:29:20
OK... Belated birthday wishes to Bob..
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/28/2017 - 12:31:14
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding - it was Bob Ryder who had the birthday on the 25th.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 10/27/2017 - 17:20:50
Enjoy your day Richard ....
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/26/2017 - 16:20:19
Happy Birthday Richard!!
Mike Crosman <>
College Park, MD USA - Thu 10/26/2017 - 12:49:17
Happy birthday Bob Ryder! I won't forgot that recent Melville's "gam" we had.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Thu 10/26/2017 - 08:15:17
Happy Birthday brother/ Captain Bob Ryder ! No one can say you haven't lived life to the fullest.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 10/25/2017 - 17:17:46
Thanks, Ben.I feel so fortunate to have had the friends I had in Chatham. Year-round and summer friends were all wonderful. And the square dances were so much fun.
John Whelan <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/24/2017 - 13:29:56
Hello Again:

For whatever reason, Disney (owner of ESPN) took the site down.

However if you truly wish to see inspiration google this:

Carson Wentz "Dutch Destroyer" and a dream come true

You still should be able to see something out of the ordinary

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 10/24/2017 - 13:27:50
John, if you permit me

"Mommy, why are you crying" last words of a 10 year old boy.

If you're not a fan of ESPN or NFL, you may have missed this - an inspirational post you may wish to view:

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 10/24/2017 - 08:26:40
Just to explain, I saw the name Kitty DiLorenzo and brought back memories which I tried to describe then the next summer the West Chatham Square Dances were a whole new thing - Judy Dallen, Nancy Eldredge, Patty Hanlon, Suzy Muldowney, and even Jane Harding years older but gorgeous - coming of age for me! I fondly remember Eddie Doane, Patty Hanlon, and Jane as late members of this Room but how about the others like Kitty and Rudy? BTW Johnny Whelan was the most poised and handsome of all of us sweating guys - hasn't changed a bit! One of my life's great boyhood memories was having John Whelan as a pal!
Ben H
USA - Mon 10/23/2017 - 22:43:19
It was not until I graduated from Stockbridge School at UMASS in 1959, and bought a car (a (1940 Ford Coupe) did I have the courage to ask girls, either Summer girls or former classmates, out for a date. Now 60 years later, I have found the love of my life, Pat. We have been married for 27 years, but previously married 23 years to someone else. According to the likes of Don St. Pierre and brother John, a 50 year marriage means to the same person!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/23/2017 - 19:01:47
Carl: aka Susie M.?
Barry <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/23/2017 - 15:59:32
Bet it is Elizabeth Taylor changing Ben's Goodads into baseball balls.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Fri 10/20/2017 - 17:29:39
Richard and everyone so many interesting posts brought back memories like this one - first exposure to anything other than baseball and 14 year old boy stuff was when I had to go to the laundromat and ask Mrs DiLorenzo if Kitty could come out and play - what she didn't know was I ws really a front for Rudy (that Ulrich boy!) and as soon as Kitty was freed to come with me (innocent, harmless) we headed across town to the CBI beach dunes where she would meet up with Rudy and "make out" - sometimes they would bring Ashlynne Summers for me but neither she nor I knew what to do or had any interest in doing it so we'd leave them and go find Eddie Doane and head up to that brick drugstore on the corner and order 3 lime rickeys - everything changed dramatically the next year when I went to my first West Chatham square dance - better stop there
Ben H
USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 21:21:03
The cement walkway to Frank Dill's front entrance is still there. The house was moved to Shore Rd., down below the house on the corner of Main ST. and Shore Rd.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 21:02:04
Paul Karr was a ham radio operator when I was I scouts. He taught us morse code and how to operate a ham radio. His call sign was W1dpo.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 20:57:56
Paul Karr went to sea as a Merchant Marine telegraphist and may well have worked at WCC. I will check the RCA pay records.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 10:41:46
Okay, so the plot thickens with Stephen Page dropping off a telegraph key that was formerly Paul Karr's. Does anyone know if former Postmaster Karr served anywhere as a Radio Operator? I plan to turn the key over to the Chatham Marconi Maritime Museum. It has vestiges of tape wrapped around the heavy base, which indicates to me that it might have been used aboard ship; the tape to keep it from sliding.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 10/18/2017 - 19:52:59
Richard, I have a copy of that photo.Will get it to Gordon at some point.
Since I think it is a Kelsey photo. Looks like Dick Kelsey on end of lower step.
Eddy Doane, perhaps Ann Doane, with a couple of Corrigans added in. Maybe a Forgeron girl in back row?
Thanks again for including me for your class 60th reunion.

USA - Wed 10/18/2017 - 11:39:06
Richard.. The name of the Inn was Duncreeven. A relative of mine by the name of Chester Kendrick died there and my mother took care of the burial... Frank Dills' house was located on the corner of Old Harbor Rd. and Highland Ave. today that would place the house in the corner of Catholic Church parking lot..
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/18/2017 - 09:40:37
Barry: Is it possible that the picture was taken on the steps of the Kendall Green, a two story rooming house that was just on the North side of what is now the Bank Of America on Old Harbor Road?
Stephen Page, who lived on the street where the Catholic church is and was, could not ID any but a couple of the boys in the picture. He stopped by today while I was out to drop off a telegraph key that Paul Karr used, and a duffel bag from Benjamin Oliver Eldredge's house, what was next door to the Pages on Highland Ave.
"Benny Oliver" was a Surfman at Old Harbor Station starting in 1898.
Today, the plot has definitely thickened.

Gordon: What was the name of the Inn? Didn't Frankie Dill live there later?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 19:36:09
Barry.. You are correct, the Inn was located there. The Ruggles family ran the Inn back in the 40's and Joan Ruggles was my classmate.
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 19:21:54
I'm pretty sure, if it's the same picture I'm thinking of, this was a birthday party at Kitty Dilorenzo's house, which was across the street from Depot Rd. on Old Harbor Rd., where the Catholic Church parking lot is now. I think I have the picture somewhere. Did this look like a wide front porch we were standing on?
Barry <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 16:57:16
I have a photo given to me by Suzie Fishback with a bunch of little kids standing on the steps of a building under a sign reading "The Duncreeven". I can ID John Pratt, Barry Fulcher, Ron Baker, and Gordon Baker, but the girls I don't recognize., Anyone know anything about the Duncreeven? Did these 21 kids go to Ireland seventy years ago?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 12:04:12
Richard, your father was an incredible man. Active on the internet until 98, still out raking for clams into his 90's, interesting to converse with right until his death. But I agree, it is quite a surprise that people from your class do not have email addresses. I feel use of the computer is an important part of how I conduct my life.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/15/2017 - 09:04:50
On the night before our 60th Graduation event, I am pleased to say that ten out of the original 22 graduates of the Class of 1957 will be in attendance tomorrow night at the 400 East in Harwich. If you happen to stop by, we'll be in the side room starting at 5 PM. So many of the class don't have email addresses, so that is a source of wonder for me.
Dave Ryder kept up on the internet and had an email address until close to his death at age 98.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 10/13/2017 - 19:37:52
It was a great pleasure to talk with another Chatham "Fish Pier Rat". The place was my playground as a kid, and it still is a cool place to visit. Jackie "Springs" Crosman was Mike's Dad.

What a thrill it is for me to bring the CG36500 in to the Fish Pier occasionally, when that same boat was operational when I was rowing Dave Ryder's dory in the harbor over 60 years ago.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 17:22:59
So great to meet you Dick Ryder while we visited Rock Harbor!! &#128077;
Mike Crosman <>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 10:03:32
Golf, doctor appt., Atwood, Windmill, Mow lawn, visitors, American Airlines.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 04:47:09
Carl, my calendar entries are C. It must be the age!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 04:44:51
If you keep a calendar on the wall or on your computer which entries are the most frequent?

A. pay bills
B. doctor appointments
C. attend funeral
D. go quahogging
E. other?

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 03:17:22
Bill: What a caring and amazing neighbor you have there. My husband buys the contents of storage units up for auction from time to time and donates stuffed toys to our local fire station. Also, with advanced notice, the fire departments here in Naples drive their fire engines thru poor neighborhoods and toss stuffed animals out to the kids as they see them pass by. What an impression they leave on these precious children who will never forget their kindness. Anna. p.s. Many people think that everyone in Naples is rich but that is not the case. If one spends any time here and really looks around they will be amazed by the poverty which exists too.
Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 10/07/2017 - 09:46:05
I have an elderly, widowed neighbor here in Missouri. Each month when her check comes in, she heads straight to the Dollar General store and buys 5 stuffed animals. Then she drives over to the nearest Highway Patrol troop headquarters in Willow Springs, and donates them. They get placed in various patrol cars, and then, at the scene of accidents, these stuffed animals provide countless hours of relief to the children of accident victims. What a completely selfless and classy thing to do. People are amazing.
MO USA - Fri 10/06/2017 - 09:59:36
Yes, we have a huge list of the badly needed items to choose from. Stuffed animals were not on the list, however.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 10/05/2017 - 20:49:47
I understand that most needed items in these desperate areas are baby formula, diapers, and personal toiletry items for adults. And I bet that small stuffed animals would be most welcome by the children....something to hold on to and comfort them in their time of need. Anna
Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 10/05/2017 - 20:20:32
Anna, The first 2 totes were picked up today by Brewster Police Dept. and now we are working on tote 3. Glad we can help in this small way.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 10/05/2017 - 14:02:33
The need following Hurricane Irma is more than we can fathom. Thanks, Nancy, for you and your residents helping out from so far away. I heard today that Everglades City (southeast of Naples) is 80% destroyed, some have 5 ft. of water in what is left of their homes and many have no where to go. It has been 3 1/2 weeks and FEMA has done nothing to help them. Temporary mobile homes were suppose to be brought in by them, but so far "no show". It is more desperate than what we can imagine. Our County says it will take up to 2 years to remove all the fallen trees and debris piled up along our roadsides.
Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 10/04/2017 - 20:37:31
What's the question?
Thomas Doane <>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 10/04/2017 - 18:57:06
Here at The Woodlands I am so proud of my fellow residents! We have filled one tote and working on the second with items for victims of Hurricane Irma. "It is better to give rather than receive".
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 10/04/2017 - 12:17:52
"If you don't ask the question, the answer is always "no". Russ Damon
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 10/03/2017 - 23:50:05
John, I seem to remember hearing the noon whistle when I was a kid in the very early 90s. And I do remember its present d on the skeleton tower overlooking Vets Field. I remember Ralphie Nick being present when the tower was dismantled so his dump truck may have been used to remove the scrap metal. If I remember correctly, Dick Kelsey ended up with the siren itself but that was long ago.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Mon 10/02/2017 - 06:33:27
Thanks Carl and Carole. I will forward your telephone number to her.
Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/30/2017 - 19:51:35
I'd be happy to give Sandra Small Hathaway a ride & she can stay in an upstairs bedroom here.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Sat 09/30/2017 - 14:09:03
Heard today from Sandra Small Hathaway. Anyone willing to pick her up in Newton? She is recovering from hip replacement surgery, and has driven some but is not sure she should tackle the trip from Newton to Chatham.
Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/29/2017 - 18:12:33
I sent them invitations, but maybe to the wrong address. If anyone comes up with a current address, send me an email. Thanks
Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/28/2017 - 16:51:06
Eddie lives in our neighborhood, so I'll stop in and tell him.
Sylvia <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/28/2017 - 13:05:54
Richard - Cynthia speaks to both of them. I'll call her to see if they know.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/28/2017 - 09:27:33
Have heard from a majority of the remaining Chatham High School Class of 1957 graduates re our upcoming Reunion on the 14th at 400 East, to the positive. Still trying to locate Pat Simone Schmidt and Sandra Small Hathaway. If anyone sees Eddie Johnson around, can you ask him to respond? Or maybe he in the Witness Protection Program.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/27/2017 - 17:28:32
I have an original Fire Alarm Code Sheet for the Town of Eastham, date unknown, which was based on a compressed air horn rather than a siren. It had a noon "Automatic Test Blow" of one, and a "Fire All Out" signal of two blasts. #15 was the "Airport and Area", which is now Runway Lane and North 40 Road. There was an effort in years past to make the horn functional again, but it was given up as too complicated.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 17:49:27
I'm the same age as JimP and moved full time to Chatham in july/aug 1971. I also remember the noon siren and the siren being used for school closings. So at least into the early 70s.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 10:40:20
Judith Winters, my hometown used that same system. The Noon Whistle was also a tradition.
USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 10:07:28
The fire alarm use to be rung from the telephone office on Old Harbor Rd. The operators knew which numbers to call to let the volunteers know exactly where the fire was and what kind of fire. Not sure where the alarm was moved after Chatham went dial, I believe in the early 60's. There were numbered discs and different rings were for different parts of town. If it rang from your area the switchboard lit up with people calling to ask where it was. Memories of long ago days.
Barbara <>
NH USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 08:12:09
I grew up in a very small village in New York where the entire fire department was comprised of volunteers. My dad was one of them. We had a chart on the back of a closet door so everyone knew by the number of blasts where the fire was. As kids, my siblings and I loved the NO SCHOOL code along with the sound of chains on tires. Those were the days!
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 09/24/2017 - 17:03:32
I will sign that petition John! There may be some opposition from the folks in the Condos across the Street if we're going to put it back in the same place.
Tony Murphy
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/24/2017 - 06:12:51
If your petition to bring back the siren is successful, John, ask the town to please consider locating it not at the Fire Station but instead on town property immediately adjacent to the 8th tee at the CBI golf course - preferably mounted in a living tree but if not then atop the bandstand or as close to the new McMansion as possible - make it REALLY LOUD as loud as Barry and Sylvia's cannon - make it easy for pranksters to set it off at all hours - maybe that will send a town of Chatham message to the home owner who poisoned the trees to improve his view!
Ben H
USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 19:19:40
The Chatham High School bells are now safely ensconced on the grounds of the Atwood House Museum. Back in the late forties, early fifties, the Methodist Church clock and the CHS bells were my watch. I didn't have a watch until I graduated from High School.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 17:43:02
John, I think the siren was stopped in the early eighties as the structure was unsafe and pagers went into effect as more off duty firemen and women worked out of town on off days. I'm not sure if some of them might carry walkie talkies now or cell phones.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 15:02:53
Judith, the church in Harwich Center rings their bells also!!
Sylvia <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 14:59:43
Just a thought or two regarding the noon siren. I wonder John, if you've asked someone in the fire department about the siren. Perhaps when the new fire station was built the siren was silenced? Doesn't one of the town churches ring bells at noon? I may be confusing the latter with the town of Concord where I once lived.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 13:55:07
I liked the siren. Maybe I'll start a petition to bring it back.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 12:41:46
I think government have to find something with the huricanne
Roberta Bearpaw <>
Columbus, OH USA - Fri 09/22/2017 - 17:51:44
I think it went into the '70's. i remember 4th grade it going off and the teacher, Kevin Foley, telling Melanie it was her mom calling her.

Much later 2006-2008, i was stationed in Key West doing counter-drug work and guess who had his sloop docked there for tours? KEvin Foley. He treated us well, took the conch twins out on Pirate Cruises all the time. He had a cast of charatcers there that would dress up like pirates and take folks out for cruises. Great guy.

USA - Fri 09/22/2017 - 07:13:35
John, I would say early to mid 60's.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 20:57:22
John, I do not have the answer to that but I can say with certainty that it was alive and well during the 1950's when I was employed by Nickerson Lumber Co. I never really did get used to the 12 o'clock siren or the fire alarm whistles... ear piercing. One day I was on the phone during an electrical storm when a bolt of lightning struck the whistle tower first and then my phone!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 13:13:24
When did the siren at 12 noon in Chatham go away? And why?
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 12:44:38
At our previous house, having a well meant a generator was a necessity. In long power outages we would often hear a knock at the front door. Standing there would be someone we had not seen in years, but who was obviously without power and without a generator. Seeing the lights they would assume our well and the toilets were working and they came to ask if they could use the bathroom. We never turned anyone away and it did impart a sense of community.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 10:17:54
Good to hear from Anna and Bruce. Thanks for the description of what was happening.
Here in Eastham, we have used a generator more times than I can count. since 1993. Used to have a 5000 watt Honda, gas fueled. Now have a propane fueled 8KW set that comes on automatically. With a well, we really depend on such power supplies when the power goes out for days.
Amy, Dad used to bring his boat to Ryder's Cove when he anticipated a heavy breeze.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/19/2017 - 20:02:01
One of the most beautiful sights to me, and I can't quite explain it, is the sistering of the fishing boats in Ryder's Cove whenever there is an impending big storm. Drive by if you've not in the last day or so.....
USA - Tue 09/19/2017 - 19:39:26
Thanks for the update. Glad you bought a generator - they have been known to be used more than once! Haven't gotten one yet but the ice maker is working just fine!
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Mon 09/18/2017 - 23:58:45
Hurricane Irma provided a lot of challenges and lots of damage to many homes such as mobile and manufactured homes. Huge trees were uprooted everywhere making roads impassable. Some traffic lights are still not up and running. Thankfully our home was not damaged. We did find lots of huge metal pieces in our back yard which had traveled thru the air from a mobile park located about one-half mile away. We just got our cable on tonight and were without power for 6 days in 90 degree heat. Being hearty New Englanders, we rode out the Hurricane in our home. Scary, but we are grateful to be in good shape. Marco took a big hit. All the shelters were filled with hundreds of people and some poor souls are still there if their homes are still not livable.
Fema, The Red Cross, and Salvation had no coordination amongst their organizations and no food was available to the shelter residents for several days...just snacks which people brought with them. Porta-Johns lined up behind the jail and the county government buildings. Rural neighborhood roads were flooded. Many fled to Georgia and other states. We had shutters put on our windows and after the storm, neighbors took them down for us. We have wonderful, caring neighbors and all of us shared what we could with others. Gas,water and ice were like gold when available. No gas for many days was difficult. We had to stand in line one day for 2 hours to fill our tank. We bought a generator after the storm when we had no power and about 3 hours after it was up and running the electricity came on...go figure. One learns a lot after experiencing a hurricane, of what to do and not to do before the next one arrives.

Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 09/18/2017 - 21:35:19
Jim - Thanks to you (and your family) for your service, dedication and for protecting our way of life in the USA and Chatham. Hope to see you next time you're back in town.
J. D. Cauble <>
Chatam, MA USA - Fri 09/15/2017 - 16:36:22
9/11 - for me, it was coming back from PT at III Corps at Fort Hood. A few of us watched the attacks while getting dressed for work. That morning kicked off a sequence of events that has not yet ended. I started working 24 hours round the clock that day. The next year I did a year in Korea unaccompanied. Then assigned back to SOF at Bragg where I spent the next three years basically overseas. Basically 5 years away from family. 16 years later and we're still at it. No closer to ending this "thing".

Have I mentioned how I hate politicians?

USA - Thu 09/14/2017 - 18:40:36
911 Rememberance Ceremonies: First, you are speaking of probably the 2 greatest first Responder units across the USA and probably the World. However, there has been for many years, this turf sort of thing, about just who is in charge when a tragedy occurs in NYC. Hence the probable explanation for the 2 ceremonies, but not sure if you will ever routinely see this in print.

Clearly, at the towers, the FDNY provided the direction as to how the situation would be handled. Perhaps you remember the film of the Naudet Brothers who worked out of the Deaune Street fire house that week. Most of the film aired only once, shortly after the event and so far never again, only clips. I suspect for the general public, if you wish to see the film unedited or shall we say the part that aired once, you have to pay for it.

I mention this because on that day, clearly the film demonstrates that the FDNY took charge. And one of the Naudet brothers actually captured the true courage of the FDNY. During a special moment, there must have been at least 50-100 FDNY men, who stood in the lobby of the towers awaiting direction. When the Battalion commander gave the order to go up the stairs, everyone of those guys proceeded onward and upward, all of them knowing they would face certain death and they all went, without question. Amazing!!! Immediately after the falling of the first tower, the FDNY Chaplin was killed in the lobby and one of the FDNY chiefs who issued the order to go up, was killed himself.

Whether you were FDNY, NYPD, Security at the tower, or employees within the tower, they all heros. A prayer for those who passed along with their grieving families is in order today for sure!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 20:51:37
Rich, David and family are doing power but feeling grateful. Barry and Becky I do not know about. Anna and Bruce either. Naples got hit hard but they are not near water. Could not help but think of Dad and Lorraine and all the years they spent on hard-hit Marco Island.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 18:23:56
Nice to see that some of the cruise ships that operate out of FL will be standing by offshore of some of their Ports Of Call to provide whatever assistance they can. Also, many major US military assets (USN and USCG) are being deployed to help folks in various places. Thanks to Igor Sikorsky, an immigrant, for the helos we have now.
Wonder how Florida residents Cousins Barry and Becky Ryder, as well as nephew David Larkin, are doing?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 17:35:34
Does anyone know why there were two separate 911 rememberance ceremonies today? One at the fire department and one at the police department. Wouldn't it better to combine the two? I didn't even know about the police department ceremony until a friend told me about it today at lunch.
Diane <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 14:40:05
Anna and Bruce, Better, And should have!!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/09/2017 - 21:10:28
Wonder if Anna and Bruce have evacuated from Naples.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/09/2017 - 19:30:43
Okay. Snow birds may have no place to go to this winter, if Irma does her thing. That has consequences for the Cape if so many decide to stay here for the winter. Like more people wanting to dine out. Or be recipients of care from local fire departments. These potentially catastrophic storm effects will not be confined to Florida.
Cruise ships will have to alter their itineraries, as the east coast ports of FL will certainly be adversely affected by Irma. Wonder where they are going right now to hide?
And, don't neglect or forget Hurricane Jose.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/07/2017 - 17:53:59
Okay, now stand by for Hurricane Jose, forming in the Atlantic. These extreme storms have been predicted to happen. A category Five Storm, as Irma is, combined with Harvey, will take all the money that it might take to build a wall.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/05/2017 - 18:02:31
OOpsie, it is the 14th Of October, not the 24th.. Hit the wrong key.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/03/2017 - 19:38:54
Just to let the Chatham High School Class of 1957 know, I have reserved a room at the 400 East Restaurant in East Harwich for the night of Saturday October 24th, the next weekend after Columbus Day. This would be for the remaining of us to get together, chat, and order from the menu. Some class members do not have email addresses, so I will be sending actual snail mail reminders. Hope those of you who are on this site will bring this to their attention.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/03/2017 - 19:37:34
Mr Ryder:
While you seemed to have felt that the folks in Corning appreciated $$ rather than clothes, for you to remember your deed across these years you lead me to believe you had the quality of real generosity of the soul. You did something nice for some folks who received the clothes and I'll bet someone indeed appreciated those clothes you brought to them during that flood period. It may have not been expressed at the moment, perhaps because the Corning People were so overwhelmed with their fate, like those in Texas who will come to know this feeling if they haven't felt it already.

In your effort, however large or small one may view it, you shared in the risk and burden of those flooded families.

"The real world is risky territory for people with generosity of spirit."

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/02/2017 - 20:27:23
Stand by for Hurricane IRMA.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 18:00:23
While in Ithaca, NY in 1972, I drove my Jeep pickup to flooded Corning, NY with a load of donated clothing. I think the victims would have appreciated $$ rather than clothes.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 17:58:45
Hooray Hooray it is the first of September
Outdoor activities go asunder!

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 16:10:18
JimP : Regarding stuff as donations: A HS classmate was the Emergency Management Director for one of the FL counties on east coast...he agrees and gave me link to this story that I have been posting on FB lately in response to those who want to donate bunches of old clothes. See:

J. Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 13:59:40
Carl, He (and I) enjoy your posts. I just heard....all went well in Boston. Missing Old Harbor Rd. Life goes on.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 13:36:22
Had a terrific supper with eight of us locals and I sat next to a sometime contributor to this site. He was very gracious and asked me if when I came home if I would make an entry. I said that I would but could not think of much. I know we are all in a local age zone on the room and how much we enjoyed John, Ben H., Jim P, and Jared among others and the new faces that contribute so much. Best of luck to you on your early medical trip to Boston tomorrow and this entry is for you.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Thu 08/31/2017 - 22:37:59
an update here in Texas: We in San Antonio got off lucky - just a lot of rain and some wind. We needed the rain very badly. However, Houston, Beaumont, etc got pummeled. They simply don't have the drainage to shed or absorb the water as ya'll do up north, everything is limestone and shale here.

Recommendation: I've done a lot of disaster assistance in my time in the military. Donating "items" is almost counter-productive. You need to package it, it needs inspection, loading, transportation, unloading, distribution, etc. It is costly and takes up precious fuel and delivery assets which could be used better elsewhere.

It would be smarter and more effective to search a philanthropic organization and donate cash. Money is the most efficacious commodity. It is easily transported via wire transfer; it can meld itself into anything that is needed; and it is responsive to a "pull" methodology rather than the "push" methodology required of items or goods.

Don't get me wrong - every little bit helps, but be smart in how your hard-earned dollars are spent. We here in San Antonio are feeling the effects as many of the folks were evac'd here. The gas stations are all running out of gas and the Texas Guard is at full mobilization. I see a LOT of trucks/assets transporting water/gen-sets/etc on the highways now.

Just an update from the "conk-twins", now living in there city of the Alamo. Jim

USA - Thu 08/31/2017 - 20:08:40
Richard Ryder: Just voted a few times for your entry but each vote only helped by 0.02% and you were at 32% with Bonito at 48% so would take 50 votes per 1% and 800+ votes to catch up...
J. Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Thu 08/31/2017 - 04:31:19
In addition to prayers, for those wishing to contribute to relief efforts in Texas- Team Rubicon is currently on the ground conducting rescues and Samantha's Purse and the Salvation Army are providing much needed supplies- drinking water, food, medical aid, clothing, baby formula. The list is endless what is needed.
USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 22:20:48
Apparently, multiple votes for the dredge name are allowed. Just what does Bonito have to do with Cape Cod? More likely a name favored by the Vineyarders. As far as I know, Bonito don't get too close to the Cape. Vote early and often, before noon tomorrow.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 19:40:10
Just voted for "Sand Piper". After all, it pushes sand through a pipe!
Allen Boyce
West Hartford, CT USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 18:28:55
As a newbie to this site, navigating here is more difficult than navigating the new cut in South Beach in the dead of night in a gale. I hope I am in the right channel.
I'm reaching out to Nancy Petrus to ask her to help me determine if my large(2.5' X 5') whirligig of Chatham's Grist Mill (Bosley?) is by Arthur Edwards (Shavings). Nancy, I may never be able to find your response on the CHAT-M-Room,so please use email listed above.

Rosalie Moretti <>
west chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 12:26:20
The Arliegh Burke class of destroyer comprises 66 ships of 277 deployable ships in the US Navy. That gives it a very good probabilistic chance of being involved in incidents. I'm not saying that there isn't a reason they were involved in both incidents, but it might just be coincidence.

The Arleigh Burke class was supposed to be obsolete, replaced by the futuristic Zumwalt class destroyer. But costs for Zumwalt were so high that they changed the order from 32 ships to 3 and added more new Arleigh Burke class ships. Ten more are planned.

The Zumwalts are all built at Bath Iron Works in Maine and I've seen all three of them there.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 07:37:00
Some miss the point about the 2 ships. It's not just the coincidence of the 2 ships, it's the ships themselves. 2 identical ships with the same specific missions. This is not just 2 random Navy ships.
Bll P <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 18:54:11
Richard....Just checked and you and SAND PIPER are in 2nd place at 34.45 % at 8/29/17 1106 hours...


Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 11:06:29
Ben H:
How could anyone disagree with Capt Eyer's quote that you posted. However, if thee is "another accident" like the the Fitz and the McCain with Navy ships over the next month or two, there might be more to it than appropriate training or electronic Gizmos to it

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 09:56:46
The Barnstable County "Name The Dredge" contest ends on the 31st. Please vote for your favorite (hopefully my nominee SAND PIPER ) by visiting barnstable . The winner is supposed to have something to do with Cape Cod. Some nominees don't.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 09:05:18
Ben, great post! Capt. Eyer hit it perfectly.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/28/2017 - 05:52:33
And then there was the time when the bosun's mate with his ring full of keys walked across the bridge when it was on magnetic steering...
Carl Olson <>
USA - Sat 08/26/2017 - 01:06:24
Alan, this is for you, Richard, and others from our seafaring town who wonder how those recent collisions at sea could have happened
Comments from Captain Kevin Eyer USN (ret) who commanded USS Chancellorsville, USS Shiloh, and USS Thomas Gates
"I've been back on the bridge in my head for several days, now, and while I am certain that the fault here lies in those who let those crews go to sea, less trained than they should be, I'm also quite sure that the functional failure was this: Young officers are hypnotized by technology, nowadays. They cannot grasp that it might not be perfect all the time. They just look to it for answers. So, yes, the radar detects the ship which is going to hit you, but it's also detecting hundreds of other ships in the busy waters of the SE Asia. Does the system say, "Hey, look out!"? Yes it does, but because there are sooooo many ships around it's constantly chirping. What is the right thing to do in these circumstances? Look UP! Look OUT! Use your senses, in real time (it takes the computer a little time to detect things like course changes, while you can detect that ship turning towards you in real time, with you eyes). I promise, I can teach a young officer - heck anyone from my era can - to learn how to pick out the dangers, and ignore the ships which mean nothing to you - just based on their "target angle" and bearing drift. Sometimes, it's so busy that you have to just drive. We don't train them for that anymore. We allow them to rely totally upon technology."

Ben H
USA - Fri 08/25/2017 - 20:17:06
Glad you liked it Alan.. However, I prefer not to push John too far when it comes to unrelated items being posted.
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/25/2017 - 10:44:22
The site you suggested was great, do you have any more like that one!?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 08/22/2017 - 23:04:14
Do not understand, overnight another incident happening now with another missile Destroyer, the USS John S McCain Ten are reporting missing and the ship looks like it has a nice slice in it. When this kind of thing happens, it impacts every USA Citizen, first and foremost the crew missing, they could come from your community, More importantly, these crews are out there 24-7 protecting all of America.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 08/21/2017 - 09:37:12
Alan, good guess, but incorrect. Close in one sense. Your civilian clothes make you a rainbow. Other squads will chant that song as they pass you by. It takes a day or so to get your AF uniforms. In my case 3 days as I arrived on a Friday night and was a rainbow all weekend until Monday.
Bll P <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/20/2017 - 19:59:06
Ben H. I have passed your qualification mark! Whew! Anna
Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 20:36:13
Gordon Pratt regarding your request I can't speak for John H but I thought it was an unwritten rule in the CHAT-M-Room that once you passed your 80th birthday, you could do or post any damn thing you wanted in here!
ben h
USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 19:53:36
Sean everyone invited
earl hubbard <>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 18:45:23
Every time I see you come forward to speak at the BOS meetings I think of your chat room.
I check it out all the time. Spent many years in Chatham.Keep up to date by watching many committees on channel 18

earl hubbard <>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 18:43:45
I wonder where the harbormaster will be patrolling today...
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 11:10:45
Sean, Be advised if they get paid they must have a Coast Guard license.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 15:34:44
I am in need of someone to assist shuttling people from the fish pier to the outer beach this coming Sunday. The pay is good and it includes plenty of fun and food. If interested please send me an email. Thanks.
Sean < >
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 15:12:10
The web page I have posted here is the inside tour of the space station as it circles the earth right now... I am posting it now to coincide with the upcoming eclipse on Monday.. Believe me folks when I say this web page is one of the best you will ever see. A personal message to Mr. Halgren.. I would appreciate it if you would allow this.. Thanks John... doN4t5NKW-k

Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 14:27:44
Hi everyone! Just a reminder to all that the Sharks in The Park auction ends today at noon! We all probably know at least one of the artists so keep an eye on your favorite!
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 09:00:42
Mr. Ryder
I am none of what you suggest, just in ordinary guy. Because of your background, I was thinking you and others might be interested on other findings about 6-19' What do you think? The real question, did you follow up with what I suggested, for others, sorry for the riddles.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 22:55:24
Alan, were you some kind of what we called a "spook" in Vietnam? You operate on either a much higher, or perhaps much lower, level than the rest of us.

Cleared only for Secret: USN, Retired

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 21:56:37
KW=key words
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 19:51:12
This post for all you Chatham Military folks
Need to be a bit vague KW
Go back to Ben H post of 6-19
Then google an update about that happening.
Might be supposition or might be one example of creative angles being used

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 19:50:35
Bill P:
Rainbow: could that be because you were given a Yellow T-shirt and Blue Shorts on your first days. Road Guards out.

Here's a few others for you that you may know:

Dust off, a favorite: Medevac- anyone, anywhere, anytime

Shake and Bake: Easy stripes quickly due to leadership voids

Disneyland Far East: US Military Asst Command

Howard Johnson's: Push carts in "the wonder land" For all those HoJo fans out there, might wish to pick up a sandwich here instead of the club

Fubar is right up there: F... up beyond recognition. I guess I could get in a little trouble for that one

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 22:46:42
Alan, newbie is very common parlance in the military and not insulting at all. Your first post after basic and training you are and will be called a newbie, by your fellow troops.

In AF basic we were call rainbows for a day or two. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that means.

Rainbow, don't be blue,
My recruiter fooled me, too."
(Sound off, one, two -- one, two, three, four ...)

Bll P <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 20:44:18
Allen: Thanks to Yogi for that comment. And if there is a fork in the road, take it. Now, I heard this at Old Harbor on Monday:" Did you know that the Norwegian Navy and the Danes, and the Swedes are applying very large barcodes to their vessels? So they can Scanthenavies!" Best I got for today.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 19:23:47
It is so crowded no one goes there anymore! See you all in September. I will bring my manners and courteous driving habits.
Allen R Boyce
West Hartford, CT USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 14:43:35
Judy, Emily, Richard - The tourist brochures promise them an idyllic Cape Cod vacation with cute shops, great restaurants & theaters, and well-manicured beaches. And what do our visitors get? A town full of people just like themselves! It's enough to ruin anybody's vacation!
Bob Fishback <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 10:59:27
From a local fish market, open year round, they describe August visitors as the "angry August" people. I have heard this before. Maybe they feel their time is so valuable, that they have to make the best of it while they are here. Texting while driving, edging out in to the traffic lane so some benevolent driver will let them in, as if they are still in Manhattan, or NJ, CT, or Boston.
Please don't give up the right of way, unless traffic is stopped. This goes for clueless Spandex bicyclists as well, who seem to think that Route 28 between Orleans and Chatham is okay for them to hold up traffic while they do their thing. Yes, they have the same rights, but they share responsibilities of the roadway. Like get off the road, take a break, if you are impeding traffic.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 19:44:52
Emily - I'm with you! I have never encountered such rude people in my life. I stop to let them out at intersections- no thank you, I ask them if I can " squeeze by their carriage" when they leave it in the middle of the aisle at Stop & Shop and get glared at - no response - and the topper - my friend and I were in my driveway the other day and a man went walking by. We both looked at him and said "hello" and he just stared at us like we swore at him and turned away. My friend said - " I hope you have a better day"! What's with the pusses and the attitudes? Go home and take the attitudes with you!
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 18:34:51
Emily, you should have looked at them, smiled and said: "How Christian of you".

Fall is right around the corner. I'm thinking of flying up for a few days of fly-fishing the fall run of stripers; eating some clams; drinking a pint or eight at the Squire and saying hello to all the folks.

Hang in there until the bridge beckons them home on Labor Day.

USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 18:27:53
I am tired of this summer and it's type of visitor. I try to be helpful, tolerant and welcoming. This evening, while helping my nearly blind husband down the stairs at the Congregational Church, a young family barged in front of us, with one young lad yelling....."see.....that's what you will be like when you get old"! It was rude, hurtful and they all laughed. Oh, dear. Maybe I will finally get that vanity license plate that says......"go home".
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 17:29:48
Mr Ryder:
Was not drafted, never aspired to be a 20 year career person and have a DD214.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 08/12/2017 - 21:42:05
Alan, I spent 20 years, day for day, in the US Navy. No Reserve time. I was an E-1 newbie myself, so I meant NO insult to anyone in the service of this country.

Tell us about your military service.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/12/2017 - 19:49:47
Most everyone knows Lighthouse Beach and Hardings Beach are at least a mile apart. Andrew Hardings Lane is probably what the Cape Cod Chronicle meant to say.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/11/2017 - 09:50:52
Another one of those friendly Ryder comments. "Connecting of the Dots," I guess this is suppose to mean that you look for the complacent conforming majority. I would hope that I would be categorized more towards the creative maladjusted minority who likes fun and wishes for positive changes.

And by the way, your "newbe" term when speaking of members of the military should be stricken from your vocabulary, the term is extremely insulting

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/10/2017 - 23:48:49
Once again, Alan has not seen fit to connect his dots when he "contributes".
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/10/2017 - 21:18:55
Understand that a great white was spotted in the areas of Lighthouse and Harding Beaches at around 3:15 pm today, apparently feasting on a seal. Under these conditions, wondering what the possibility of a drone photo could be or if this one has been tagged and where its going?

I'm feeling bearish on shark stakes, so I am going to hedge my position. I take the right side cooked medium and the left side pink in the middle, that way when your Chef cooks it, I'll still be satisfied with 50% of the cut. Make sure the potatoes come from 2 different farms and don't even bother with the Chatham Veg., I am not going to touch them. I'll just take the loss on them. Double up on the desert.

Now your ready for all those Cape Cod Rest.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/10/2017 - 20:18:46
Anna that is a great story - just the opposite of heavyweight champ George Foreman who named each of his five sons George (so he wouldn't forget their names in later years when the effects of all those blows to the head kicked in - actually to be fair he said it was so they would all receive the praise or negatives as one)
ben h
USA - Wed 08/09/2017 - 22:39:06
Anna, that is so funny, did she by any chance have 'Good Grief'?
Sylvia <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/09/2017 - 16:29:52
This is a true story told to me by the mother herself.
She and her husband had 6 children. They decided on names
for each child beginning with the letter "G". So their names
are George, Grant, Glenn, Gary, Grace, and Gloria. The
mother said if she had another child that child would be
named "Good Grief". I know this isn't relative to the Chatham
Chat Room but I thought it would make you smile today. Anna

Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 08/09/2017 - 15:13:13
Capt. Bob Ryder: I wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your book very much! I read it like it was the Hardy Boys! Great stories and happy to have my own copy. Thank you Bob putting all these stories into print.
Jared Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/07/2017 - 18:11:53
Matty, a sincere HAil Mary for you and for your grieving parents
alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 08/06/2017 - 23:14:10
Matty Amsler (who was one of my young Boy Scouts in Troop 71 when I returned as an assistant scoutmaster) was in the lazarette of 44301, not the turtle or aft survivors cabin. For a boat on static display and not generally open to the public, it's not surprising that Matty wasn't located sooner. Unfortunate on all sides
Jared Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/06/2017 - 12:34:02
It's sad to hear that folks may be questioning the search and "arm-chair quarterbacking" these folks. "Back in the day", one of our guys rode a rubber boat in on an insertion into the Chagras River in Panama. You were supposed to push the boat off the helicopter tailgate and then follow it in at a height of around 20 feet, but it was at night and he chose to ride the boat in. Of course, the boat flipped and landed on his neck as they hit the water and his neck broke and killed him. The next day we started recovery operations and a team of us dove for him for three straight days until at one point, we were taking a break and someone happened to look off the stern of the RB 15 we had tied to the river bank as a reference point and - sure enough - he was laying on the bottom of the river, the water clarity had increased to the point where you could see his outline.

We spent three days hugging the bottom of the most shark-infested river in Panama and he was right in front of us the entire time. Bottom line: stuff happens.

This was a tragedy. No need to compound it by slinging stones at the folks who did their best to find him.

USA - Sun 08/06/2017 - 09:08:43
Last week, I had the pleasure of taking 4 new CG Station Chatham members for a short trip on the CG36500 out of Rock Harbor. Some newbies, some 12 year veterans . These same men and women were in the duty section that were engaged in Boarding Practice on the CG44301 when they discovered the Amsler person. How tough it must have been to make that discovery. His body was found in a small section of the boat, well aft, where no person would be expected to be, or could have survived for any length of time.
I suggest It is time for the Chatham community to send a message to the crew that they are supported.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/05/2017 - 16:58:35
How does the Chatham community make a public stand in front of the CG Station, avowing their continuing support for the present crew?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/05/2017 - 16:25:23
Never was connected or knew Matt Amsler and his story is very sad. Somehow it has been suggested that he may have taken his own life and if true this is a very sad story as well.

For any of those out there, young, old- drugs, liquor or otherwise, I think a very good piece of advise coming from a very, now humbled NFL star, who might ever find themselves in a trying situation is: "Look up, Get UP, and don't ever give up"- Michael Irving

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 08/05/2017 - 12:32:55
"Ol man river - he jus keeps rollin along".
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/04/2017 - 17:25:07
As Old Man River said, "Tired of living and scared of dying." Sometimes they flip.

And as Robert Frost said, "I am one well acquainted with the night."

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Fri 08/04/2017 - 14:40:02
What a interesting bike ride I had earlier this morning. Oyster Pond shrouded in fog with a bride getting her pictures taken. She had this gorgeous white dress and was standing on the black mud flats. Wonder if dress goes to cleaner now? Riding down Cedar Street 3 wild turkeys in road - couldn't figure out if they were going to chase me or just have a staring contest. Going onto Champlain there was a deer that just stood in the middle of the road. We locked eyes before he darted away . Over the bridge and at the corner bend in front of Lighthouse a car full of teenagers laughing with cameras - fog everywhere . No pictures for you! Then I noticed the Memorial on the CG fence for Matty Amsler. Beautiful sun flowers and hydrangeas tacked to fence with a candle burning. So sad. Back through Main Street where a few blankets are already out for tonight's Band Concert - it's pretty wet - good luck with that! Up through town and the sidewalks being vacuumed. Final leg home - all I could think of was the bride at the beginning of her life and the way Matty's ended. In response to your question Richard - who knows? Mental illnesses, alcohol, drugs, etc - who knows what goes thru these tortured souls' minds.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/04/2017 - 11:21:57
Okay, it does seem that everyone involved did what was required of them, and maybe some went beyond. Who knew that someone would be so determined to seal himself away in a displayed CG boat?
Grandfather Richard E. Ryder, USCG, chose to check out of this life by suicide in 1933. I can empathize with the parents of this troubled young man. But, can anyone explain what brings folks to end their lives prematurely and voluntarily?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/03/2017 - 22:04:36
What's new? Nothing, it is just the same things happening to different people.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 08/01/2017 - 21:24:47
Doesn't anyone wonder why the Chatham PD, the MA State Police, and the DA didn't check the CG44301, 200 feet from the Lighthouse parking lot where the poor soul was last seen? Did they even check nearby houses? I know, doctors have a special tool they use called a retrospectoscope. Looking back, things sometimes become clear.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/01/2017 - 19:28:14
That was nine years ago - OLD news.

Very unfortunate about the remains found in the Coast Guard boat last night.

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/31/2017 - 12:27:21
The trees must have offended Mr. Wilner.
Chatham Insider
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/31/2017 - 11:26:25
A solution offered today by a couple I met at Rock Harbor who live near the 6th hole. Have the Town of Chatham replant some native red cedar trees, which will eventually occlude this entitled person's view. I can't imagine that there is a lot of support for this homeowner, who wants the golf course boundary lines to be moved.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/30/2017 - 17:34:10
From what I've been led to believe this will continue until the Zoning Board gets their act together and changes this. The amount he should have to pay should be equal to the value of at least one of the houses he's profiting from. This will continue until the rules and regulations change. Sad state of affairs watching what was a quaint little town disappear through these blatant flauntings of greed.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/27/2017 - 06:15:29
The big money developer's solution to every problem is to throw money at it
Jared Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/26/2017 - 19:57:22
Surprised more people didn't show up to the Planning Board meeting tonight to hear about the proposed Hunter's Rise sub-division plans. Potential of 13 one million dollar homes to be built, a conservation nightmare with trees and a lot of vegetation removed as well as a potential drain-off issue down the hill to Ocean Port Lane homes . I left when Mr Riley was trying to defend his clients offer of $204K to the Town instead of building an affordable home there.
Judy P
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/25/2017 - 20:49:13
Candlepins with three small balls to knock them down with, right? I didn't know of any other way to bowl until I left the Cape.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/25/2017 - 17:49:53
and next to the 7th green was my uncle jim's bowling alley built in a sunken fortress of an old CBI garage - used to get all the golf balls I could ever use from that roof and parking lot
ben h
USA - Mon 07/24/2017 - 23:43:50
Although we are officially now called "Senior Citizens" a term we really are not ready for, My husband and I agree that we may just have to name our next boat, "Pills and Bills" John, we did like your posting.
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/24/2017 - 07:07:27
IMHO, the Old Money folks who came in the 40's and 50's were much more sensitive to their surroundings than the "new money" people like this guy who has apparently damaged Town of Chatham property for his own gain. Short term gain for sure.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 19:26:59
Judith, go to Google Maps, put in 30 Fairway Dr. Chatham, MA. Then go to Satellite and zoom in and it all becomes clear. Also if anyone is interested go to the Town of Chatham web site/ Assessors database get his name and Google the guy.Be sure to put in the town he lives in. He is an interesting guy, 18 months of house arrest and other stuff. I won't give out his name but it is all public information.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 19:25:19
But of course. Thank you. I didn't think first message went thru. Again, IMO house should never have been approved. Isn't there wetland below the house too? I'll bet they fertilize the property and all that fertilizer will go underground and right into the ground water and the wetland. WIWWP?.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 17:37:31
The trees are directly between his house and his view of the Atlantic Ocean. Duh!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 17:11:17
Does anyone know where the 8th hold, and girded trees are relative to the house on the slope of the golf course? I just read about the trees in the Chronicle weekend update.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 16:31:24
Having just read the Chronicle's weekend update, does anyone know where the eighth hole is relative to the house is overlooking the golf course? I recall watching the last house being built and thinking it would slide down the hill onto the golf course. Now girded trees? House should never been approved IMO. I'm not a golfer. Is the 8th hole below that monstrous house on the hill?
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 15:15:22
By the way, the most heartening sounds I have heard is the Bobwhites call in Race Point last Thursday night, and a similar call or sighting reported at Fort Hill in Eastham. These birds are totally threatened due to loss of open space habitat. I hope their extinction doesn't happen during my lifetime. Very cool, birds!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 18:13:44
The local Eastham rabbits have figured out that if they forage in the daylight, the coyotes and foxes won't bother them. Chipmunks? Who can catch them? And when do they sleep, if ever? Hyper critters for sure. Standing by, watching the ever changing turn of natural events. Skunks are up next. Then Great horned owls. Lucky to live long enough to see the change in predators vs their supper.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 18:04:29
Also bountiful clover and chipmunks.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 17:03:48
I don't recall seeing any better hydrangeas than this year. Stunning color and bountiful.
Carl Olson
USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 12:38:31
Classic case of bullying! More to come, for sure!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 07/19/2017 - 18:59:25
So...he doesn't like golf balls on his property? Maybe should not have built a monster house that takes so much of his land that it bothers him. Maybe town should erect one of those fifty foot high netting fences like they have around driving ranges? Fair trade: no golf balls -for- obstructed view!
J. Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Wed 07/19/2017 - 10:00:11
Rereading Emily's first post about the historic golf course and the property owner continues to confound me. What part of "there's a golf course right next to you" was not clear? The sheer audacity to ask the committee to "MOVE the 8TH HOLE"?!?! At what point will Chatham stand up to bullies and say enough? Can't believe I'm saying this but if it takes fighting back lawyer-to-lawyer, spin-to-spin, loophole-to-loophole, figure out a way to do it now...or lose everything that is Chatham. ***sigh*** Thanks for listening...
USA - Wed 07/19/2017 - 08:50:50
Got golf balls on your adjacent property? Either put up a fence or sell the errant balls back to the losers who cant shoot straight.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 18:00:19
The Golf Advisory Committee will meet this Thursday at 3 pm at the Town Offices, main floor small meeting room. Cory Metters and Dan Tobin need to bring this issue to the BOS. It may already be too late, but fines should be levied. Let's show them how strongly we feel about this abuse from a new home owner!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 15:58:23
Well put, Emily!
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 13:46:34
Next to a golf course...expect golf balls.
Next to an airport...expect airplanes and their related business.
On the shore...expect water.
On built-up land...expect settling.
Yes, buyer beware and as mere mortals, expect to make mistakes from time to time. IMHO

USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 08:50:25
Captain Dave Ryder often said the Town of Chatham was going to the dogs. Referring to how many people had dogs that didn't serve any useful purpose, like hunting rabbits, retrieving shot fowl, etc.
I wonder how he would think of the mega mansions that have replaced reasonable homes along the shores of Chatham.
He had the best life: driving to the Fish Pier in the early morning, no cars on the road, getting underway before sunrise, fishing all day, and returning to his modest home off Old Harbor Road in the late afternoon. Get his slip of paper totaling his catch, drive up Bar Cliff Avenue past the house where he was born, two left turns, that was it. No wonder he lived so long.
Oh, by the way, until his mother Reb was in her mid nineties, he'd drop of a filetted fish for her every week. Next door to where he was born.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 19:56:08
When those properties came before the planning board several years ago there were concerns about the mounding of soil so to raise one property nearest Seaview St. It created an ocean view. Then there were concerns expressed by some about the erosion taking place at the end of Fairview into wetland near the golf coarse. It could easily be seen on Bay Rd. Now there's a house on that "slippery slope". I wonder if this is owned by the person who is complaining. The planning board records could be helpful regarding who owns what.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 17:05:55
Here is a change of thread: 4 oak trees on Seaside Links Town owned golf course have been intentionally damaged enough to kill them. It is obvious that their removal would improve the Ocean view of the huge new house at the end of Fairway Drive. This abutter has also asked the Golf Advisory Committee to MOVE THE 8th HOLE because he doesn't like getting golf balls on his fenced property! The Town must determine exactly what is golf course property by survey, or face future encroachments by abutters. The golf course has been there since 1895......buyer beware!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 16:01:27
Cocktail parties are not a good place for factual information. Ms. Love is not leaving the BOS.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 11:03:50
Cocktail party rumor this afternoon: Amanda Love is going to forego her seat as a Selectman to open the way for a special election which Seth Taylor expects to win. Idle gossip?
InsideChatham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/16/2017 - 17:13:36
Has anyone bought and/or read the new book: "Historic Restaurants of Cape Cod"
Two restaurants were selected by the author, the Christopher Ryder House and
our former Northport Restaurant??

Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 07/16/2017 - 15:20:11
Is there still a Miss Rogers who is in this chat room? She used to participate in the old chat room. Family of the Stage Harbor Rd Rogers Family.
Jared Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/15/2017 - 16:22:15
Alan, IIRC, only 6 on board were MARSOC plus their corpsman. The rest were crew and straphangers.

The Marines refused to adopt the program for years. Only after exhausting the force during the current wars and SOCOM offering to take them under their wing with exchange programs did the Marine Brass relent.

They are playing a very active role in the wars around the world at present and have been a very welcome relief to Special Forces; SEALs; Rangers and the Tier One guys who are about worn out. They are great troops and interoperate very well. One thing the last 17 years of war has taught us is to spread the TTP's (tactics, techniques and procedures) within the SOF community amongst others.

Without injecting politics into this thread, I hope the current administration will get us out of many of the arguable engagements we are in around the world at present. Since the Clintons and Madelain Albright, we have been way too adventurous about the world. Time to bring our kids home and build the home fires.

We have a generation of warriors who have known nothing but war. This won't bode well.

USA - Fri 07/14/2017 - 18:01:33
Jim P:
I understand what you say and I too have a difficult time with indifference.
Please know and perhaps explain to friends that the crew on board the "HERC," call sign "Yankee 72" were also elite, the best that the Marines have to offer. Everyday, they faced incredible tasks with extreme danger and are assigned most demanding of all missions.

Their courage and commitment are rarely known. While most of the folks you describe are running from the fire, these guys are the type that run to it for sure; they ask for nothing in return. Imagine, 99.5% of the population never even heard of MARSOC.

Alleluia Alleluia, Alleluia
Godbless the crew and their families.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 07/13/2017 - 20:03:34
Alan, Chatham has some Patriots to be sure - even a lot of the townspeople have served. Some of the "Wellesley swells" who summer there have been a bit "indifferent towards service folks". I've never had a problem with the locals....wish I could say otherwise with many of the visitors who seem to think us service folk are vermin merely fit to serve and be kept out of polite company.

My heart breaks for those warriors. But...guys (and girls) are dying every day; it just doesn't have the term "Russia" in it so the media isn't interested.

USA - Thu 07/13/2017 - 18:58:13
The last 2 posts go directly to the point: When you See something-Say something. One need only to look at Judith's letter to the editor directing its attention to folks who block emergency vehicles.

Chatham's Freedom and everyone else's Liberty was affected yesterday when the 2nd Marine Raider Battalion C130T ship went down in Miss. The loss of this crew impacts all of us, no matter where you choose to live. This Marine Special Ops crew (MARSOC) were on their way to one last Special Training before Deploying, you can be sure, to one very difficult hot spot, war zone.

Perhaps when you are enjoying the beautiful Chatham summer, you can find it in your hearts to say a prayer for the this crew

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 07/12/2017 - 20:06:03
This kind of behavior is death defying, and perhaps natural selection at work. Especially if these folks deem it imperative to ride on Route 28 between Chatham and Orleans.

Why do the Spandex guys think this is OK? Yes, they have the right.

Like, I have the right to row across the Atlantic .Should I be there? Absolutely not.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/11/2017 - 19:44:44
We saw something today which was quite scary. A young girl riding a bicycle on a main road and texting at the same time. An accident waiting to happen. So sad.
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 21:15:30
Amazing, if anyone gets the MLB network, guess who's on-Chatham A's-now. The movie, when they're on the Diamond-has Kurt Goudy doing the announcing.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 21:13:54
Monomoy Yacht Club had an historic event today! 7 boats from Oyster Pond and Stage Harbor met at buoy 10 and mustered up, through the April's Fool Cut to join up with the Pleasant Bay group and proceed to Meetinghouse Pond for a raft-up and lunch. FOURTEEN boats !! WOW ! Jim Doggart, my Captain was outstanding, and we all survived and had a great time.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 18:42:16
Took your advise and using your info, the $20,000 is provided after the tour of duty is completed, of course provided that you meet the CS career requirements thru your duty. The site I looked at, did not call out the fact that after you complete CS training, you received the funds. If there was some update to this, over the past week, I must have missed it.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 17:17:00
Richard.. My info... Go to Coast Guard Culinary Specialist (CS)
Gordon Pratt
USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 09:12:28
Alan, my info came from two sources: the first was the Dad of a young man entering the CG in September. He is guaranteed the Cook school and will get his $$ when he successfully finishes the school. The second was an active duty Boatswains Mate Third Class who verified what I relayed earlier. And yes, the bonus can go as high as $40,000.
Unless things have changed, if you get out after 4 years, you aren't eligible for VA benefits unless you have a service connected injury or condition.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 09:01:57
With all these bonus funds floating around, you make it sound like the US Coast Guard has suddenly become Santa Claus. While the offer(s) could be interesting, one needs to fully understand what they are getting into and be guided by all the details, including the fine print. A few for instances, the way I read "the contract" you do not receive a dime, until you complete your full tour of duty-4 years. Of course along with this, you must successfully complete basic training and your tech school. If you are selected for the program and you drop out of tech school or select other career training, the deal is off.

Of course the other major issue, is VA Benefits? Do you have to go to a war zone to obtain them or is it the case that benefits are automatically extended to you for time served no matter your location? What are the current benefits and/or is the $20,000 or whatever provided in leu of Benefits?

The CG is a great organization, but know the whole story.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 22:47:22
I'm trying to hire a couple men with strong arms for a day of labor in a couple weeks. Pay will be good. Unfortunately, it is only one day. 508-945-1980.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 22:12:11
Maybe Bruce should apply, Richard.
Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 21:22:17
Richard, I had to check with the USCG latest news and if you have an associate degree you will receive not $20,000 bonus to sign on but you will receive a $40,000 bonus.. Way to go Coast Guard.. Great stuff..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 19:28:22
This is for you grandparents who might have grandkids looking for a career:
The US Coast guard is actively recruiting men and women to become Cooks and Chefs.
They are paying enlistment bonuses starting at $20,000. Can you believe it?
Suggest if you have any grandkids who just might meet the requirements, then they should consider the USCG as a career.
LCDR USN retired

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 17:55:46
Thank you for the intell on the salt!
I have been fortunate to spend weeks at The Point House next to Scatteree landing, and the flavor in the salt from there brings me right back. Especially during the short days of winter.
To all on this board: thank you for sharing your town!
Chatham Mass is a special place!

Nathan <>
VisitingChatham, MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 20:58:39
If three more cars drive to Chatham today we are going to sink.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 17:43:34
Nathan, the salt stand has moved to the other corner of Hallet Ln. In front of the white house. It was there and stocked this morning.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 15:04:45
To change the subject, here is another sign message to give everyone a chuckle.
"Waffles are just pancakes with abs."

Anna <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 10:26:43
Capeabilities, corner of Main St. & Hallett Lane sells it.......lovely to see the mighty Catalpa trees in full bloom, all 75 of them!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 09:28:15
Hello !
Would anyone be able to tell me if Monomoit Wild Sea salt is still available from the streetside stand in the Old Village?
I thought I remembered it at Water St & Hallet Ln., but it looks different there now.
Thank you!

Nathan <>
VisitingChatham, MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 07:13:05
Looking at photos of the Navy ship, it is not clear to me the ship was hit 22 degrees abaft the starboard running light. Aren't those lights normally high up, near the bridge? That is where the major above water damage occurred, so I can't pick out the position of the light.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/06/2017 - 10:13:23
Being July 4th, I wasn't so much following the loud noises as I was thinking about the USS Fitzgerald and the crew that died. And surely some careers will take a sudden end. But in defense of her crew, indeed the container ship Crystal reportedly hit the Fitzgerald abath the 90 degree red and green lights, actually 22 degrees behind the 90 degrees which made the Fitzgerald the Stand on vessel (making her obligated to maintain her speed and course). She can and should have taken evasive action herself. Hence, just because you are hit on the starboard side, does not make you the blame of the incident, in fact the overtaking container ship should have avoided the Fitz.

Also, the USS Fitzgerald is a Super Stealthy ship painted with radar absorbing materials making her very difficult for radars to detect her. This means she has her own situational awareness and must plot her own solutions.

I think it is standard practice for crews to know CPA's (closest point of Approach), but when they become CBDR (Constant Bearing Decreasing Range), it becomes a increasing scary situation. With all the crew on the bridge and around the boat, I still wonder why the Fitzgerald crew did not see the Crystal?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 07/05/2017 - 21:08:38
Loud and clear on Uncle Albert's
USA - Wed 07/05/2017 - 20:53:13
Stage Harbor Road slept through it - probably because I took the hearing aids out the night before.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 15:57:24
Great Hill heard it!
Jennifer <>
USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 14:26:03
Woke us up in Coronado
ben h
USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 13:51:07
Oyster Pond heard it!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 06:46:44
Happy 4th.everybody!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 02:56:55
Emily, 6 a.m.!!
USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 20:59:25
Barry, that kind of range is very impressive. The 160 lb. Lyle gun range was somewhat over 500 yards but it shot an 18 lb projectile and of course the attached shot line limited the travel. It was used officially for the last time in 1962 at Herring Cove Beach in Provincetown. Bernie Webber was the man who got it done, saving men from the Margaret Rose..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 17:30:15
What time tomorrow? I am up at open, hope to hear it!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 17:12:59
Dick, my cannon shoots a 1 lb. lead slug, over 1 mile. I know this because from North Beach to where Bill Sharkey's lobster pot line was, exactly a mile from the beach, and we saw the splash beyond that. It took 7 seconds to hit.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 15:53:13
Ben H. I have been doing this here for 50 years. I use to do it with the things you were talking about such as paper wadding which catches fire sometimes. Mine has no wheels. It's my own version of a Cohorn mortar. I made it out of a 3 inch Caterpillar bulldozer lift arm pin. It's 13 inches long with a 1 1/4 in. bore. Unlike Dick Ryders Lyle gun, I load mine with a 1/3 of a lb. black powder and 4 cardboard wads, and pointed straight up when firing, as it will travel 10 ft. backwards!!! It's loud, and now we're right behind the police station.
USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 15:48:43
You folks and your cannon firing stories bring back fond memories of my husband's old starting cannon which he faithfully fired on July 4th each year. The whole process of stuffing the wadding and black powder was cool to watch and then.....KABOOM!!!!! Kids from far and wide would come running over to our yard for the remainder of the "show". Sadly, on our way to visit son David (stationed in Mobile, AL) for Christmas and to present him with the cannon, our car was broken into at a motel in Baltimore. The cannon, along with all our other gifts, were stolen. I have really never gotten over it. Happy 4th everyone!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 11:00:25
Yes, Barry is standing by to touch off his cannon on July 4th, 0600. Tradition! If you want to see a 160 lb bronze Lyle gun cannon shot off, then show up at the Old Harbor Station at Race Point, Provincetown, where we reenact the U.S.Life Saving-Service Breeches Buoy Drill every Thursday night in July and August at 6 PM.
Barry, 1 and 1/2 oz of black powder is our charge. The 18 lb projectile goes 150 yards. Very popular show over the last 35 + years.
Your show has probably been running longer.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/02/2017 - 17:38:23
Hey Barry and Sylvia - this is for you

Place the Cannon in a safe area, pointed in a safe direction, and light the fuse. Make sure NO ONE is in front of the Cannon, and
plan your firing position to allow the Cannon to recoil and roll backwards.........They roll pretty fast and far on any kind of pavement, so plan ahead.

Oh, Its a Good Idea to have a leaf rake handy, and a "Designated Raker" to quickly rake up all the shredded newspaper, while you scoop up the Cannon, unused Fuse & Power, and run for cover, before the neighbors regain their faculties and call the Cops!........Been there, done that!! LOL!!............... Its a real good Idea to include the neighbors in the fun, with a little training, you can sometimes get them to supply the Beer!

ben h
USA - Sat 07/01/2017 - 19:41:16
Let freedom ring!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 07/01/2017 - 11:02:47
Happy 4th of July to all on the Chat-M-Room.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/01/2017 - 09:20:07
Is that why it took me 1&1/2 hours to get to the Bridge yesterday afternoon!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/30/2017 - 05:33:18
I think they should not use the "trustees" from the correctional institute to pick up trash on the mid cape and other highways with a vehicle flashing blue lights and forcing cars to one left hand lane and ofter a state police cruiser to assist on the Thursday before the Fourth of July weekend. Traffic is bad enough without the SOB's.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Thu 06/29/2017 - 22:09:17
I think the Coast Guard kids (MK's) are doing a similar thing at Station Chatham. Analyzing the lube oil daily for the 42 footers they have. Twin 500 hp Cats that drive the water jets. Unfortunately, the jet drives don't like eel grass or sand. That is why the "new" 24 foot shallow water boat (from the recently back to normal Lake Tahoe) is so needed for Pleasant Bay and surrounding shallow water.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/25/2017 - 19:32:03
Emily and Gordon, I also was in Vietnam in 1970 and flew out of Ton Son Nhut airfield a number of times.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/24/2017 - 08:10:46
Richard Ryder.... Correction if I may.. I was 1 of 12 ground crew members assigned to AF1 for 12 and 1/2 years of my 20 year career as an FAA certified A & P Technician.. S.O.A.P. stands for ( Spectrometric Oil Analysis Program )
Gordon PRATT
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 21:53:31
A few days back I was wondering how the M/V Iyanough could have been so far off course and what happened? But now see that the USS Fitzgerald could be a far more reaching story and the "Hyannis Story" something proportionaly super minor, considering the NTSB dropped the subject.

No one seems to be disclosing the ultimate destination of the ACX Crystal. And this story about the time of the incident? And how could a Navy destroyer in this day in age, not able to see the Crystal? An unofficial comment-"the USS Fitzgerald had the kind of radar that could detect a flapping fish in the water from 5 miles out." Outside investigative officials suggesting that the Fitzgerald, could it have been dead in the water? What about the circling back of Crystal, 39.5 MT ship that can travel at 15.8 knts? Could the Crystal actually trying to hit the Fitzgerald? Could it have been a case that the OD and all the ships Navigational aids/personnel were neutralized- seems very far out there? Even if a jamming effort were conducted, based on your own accounts, how could this happen?

And the men that died, did they die instantly or were they left behind due to hatches being closed down in order to save the ship? Whatever the case, may their souls rest in peace.

I hope there is nothing out of the ordinary that happened here, but whole incident has been rather weirdly handled news releases.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 21:23:54
Ahh the Aussie navy pilots and officers clubs (as in any bar or officers club) were made for one another - "Wherefore art thou, Moriarty" was a favorite game for the uninitated - the Aussie Commanding Officer would lie face down on the floor with a rolled up newspaper in his right hand while the USN Commanding Officer assumed the same position opposite also with a rolled up newspaper - Both would then be blindfolded and with both squadrons cheering and many side bets (the Aussies loved to bet) the Admiral who was referee said "Let the games begin" - the USN CO would then say "Wherefore Art Thou Moriarty" and the Aussie CO would answer "Here, Sir" - Based only upon where he thought the location of his voice (because he was blindfolded), the USN CO got to take a tremendous swat with the newspaper but of course missed (see following for reason) - then it was the Aussie CO's's turn - Well the Aussies had bribed the Admiral so their CO took off his blindfold which made the USN CO "easy pickings" - He was whacked viciously several times with that rolled up newspaper before he finally figured out he had been duped - two of those crazy aussies were in my wedding in Middlebury Vermont and managed to get in the belfry and ring the town bell at midnight which almost caused an international incident - we also trained the Canadian navy pilots who tried hard but couldn't measure up to those aussies
Ben H
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:50:36
forgot to add - doors locked open and we were only fastened in with a lanyard. Great fun.
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:25:37
OK - best Chopper story I have is this: during the haitian invasion, me, the Group XO and a medic had to fly up north from Port Au Prince to look into an issue. We load the chopper up - piloted by two junior warrants from one of the conventional units (10th Mountain): WO 1's if I recall. We're flying along the Arto-Bonite valley up by St Mark (some of the most beautiful landscape in the world) when one of the pilots flips a switch and all of a sudden we get the Rolling Stones screaming in our headsets. The pilots had been listening to them while flying. They got all sheepish and started apologizing profusely when the XO told them to shut up and "Rock the Tunes". The pilots looked at each other, grinned and asked if we wanted to "take a ride" (they weren't used to flying special forces guys). The XO says "Hell YAH". They cranked the tunes, flipped that bird on its side and dove down a waterfall and skimmed the earth for about the next 45 minutes - nap of the earth; popping up over trees; diving into valleys; doing things I never thought a Blackhawk could do. We finished our flight up north and handled business (during which I walked into the Dominican Republic but that's another story). We came back pretty much the same way - crazy fun. The pilots made us promise that if we ever needed to fly anywhere that we'd specifically request them on the mission order; they had a lot of fun. Made us promise never to tell their unit what they'd done. Good guys. Probably 22 years old and having the time of their lives.
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:21:29
My helo ride was up to the mock Viet Cong Village behind two Aussi pilots with kangaroos on the back of their helmets. It was open.....both sides. and before I got myself strapped in.....wheeeeee...we were on a major tilt over the Mecong River.. Almost lost my camera.....remember....VIP stuff, during the war. How crazy was that?
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 19:33:47
Gordon: Can you tell us what the acronym S.O.A.P stands for? I know that later you were the Crew Chief on Air Force One.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 18:14:42
I had forgotten about the chandeliers. Gunship helo rides were eye opening.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 17:03:31
Small world Emily, I was in Ton Son Nhut in August 1970. I was receiving a 30 day update on how to manage the S.O.A.P. lab at Phu Cat air base..
Gordon PRATT
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 16:35:40
In 1970 I had a cheeseburger and a glass of milk at the O Club at Ton Son Nhut. It was impressive with linen tablecloths, chandeliers, etc. I also had a tour of Gen. Westmorland's trailer. Huh? Well my husband Dick was working for Pan Am in the R & R program and was called back to DOD in DC I went to Saigon to visit friends and was given a VIP tour......gunship help ride, too!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 11:09:34
Former AF here. I have to agree we had it pretty good. But I bet Jim and his buddy's never complained when an A-10 was over head.
Bll P <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 19:06:15
Ben, that's the thing that's tough for these kids to deal with the first time: one moment everyone is there and happy, a split second later a few are dead and/or maimed. No just "is". No goodbyes....just gone.
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 18:27:02
Lost all of his belongings and 7 shipmates
Ben H
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 17:44:55
Amazing Grace - no deaths, no injuries on the Muliphen collision.

I wa the mailman on the Muliphen and when we came into port I was the first one off ship because mail was such a morale booster. I felt badly for those who did receive any and worse for those who got "Dear John" letters. I drove the Captain's car to get the mail and the Marines at the gate saw the flags on the front fenders indicating the rank, they gave a very stiff and formal salute. When I came to a stop they were really pissed off that the had just saluted a Navy E4. No one ever inspected my leather sack and thus those 40 ounce glass jugs remained safe and eventually emptied on the fantail at sea.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 03:49:45
Found out via Facebook that a friend/former co-worker in FL has a nephew who was on the Fitzgerald and lost all his belongings due to flooding of berth. He's safe in Japan according to her.
J Hallgren (as User)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 01:44:04
Jim P:
As a Mustang Navy guy, I can assure you that as an E-5 & 6 on the USS Intrepid, I always felt I knew my place. No rift, that was the way it was. The officers respected us, we respected them. Can i tell you that as an HM3/USN, I was engaged to a Navy Nurse, LTJG? That is another story. We did dine together on occasion. Just not so anyone knew about it.
As a LTJG visiting the O Club at Ton Son Nhut air base near Saigon, I was shocked that it was run by the Air Force, where they had waitresses, a printed menu, and floor shows. I learned then that the Air Force first builds the Officers Club, then the airfield. Okay, there are a lot of Officers in the USAF (pilots, you know)
But, wait. The troops at the MACV HQ in Saigon were lamenting the fact that they were only going to get ONE mail call that day.
Down in the Delta, we got mail maybe three times a week. The Army could only fly in certain weather conditions. Navy Seawolf Helos? Yes, they could fly in all conditions, as well as at night. They were supporting the nearby SEAL team.

LCDR, Medical Service Corps, USN, Retired

Pardon us military folks, but there aren't many places for us to share these stories.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 21:12:30
Ben, I find it fascinating. The cultural difference amongst the services is amazing. One of my good buddies I worked with was a Navy Captain and I used to razz him about the stuff they would relieve ship-drivers for: basically anything that goes wrong....keel touches sand? Relief. hanky-panky aboard ship? Relief. Collision? Relief.

A seriously no-defects attitude on navigation and they sure as heck don't mess around in placing blame.

We always eat with our troops, the Navy frowns upon officers eating with the "enlisted swine". That always causes a rift aboard ship.

But - I think we can all gang up on the Air Force. Their idea of "hardship" is waiting 20 minutes for room service!! (Sorry Gordon...had to say it). :)

USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 20:11:44
Jim P must be getting tired of all this "squid" talk - just sayin
Ben H
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 20:04:01
Talked with a retired Navy officer last night who had been the OOD on Navy ships in the very same are of this recent collision. He said the area has a lot of shipping, but he and his watch standing crew took great pride in ensuring that a safe distance from all vessels was maintained.

There are plenty of Navy officers who will be ready to take the place of the Captain of the USS Fitzgerald.

The saying is, "A collision at sea can ruin your entire day". Aboard the USS Intrepid, we did collide with a tanker, but it was in fairly shallow water, we were being refueled, and there was s steering casualty. No lives are lost but the ship had to go in to dry dock for repairs to a sponson, which was ripped off during the collision..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 17:21:19
At the inquest (review, investigation) Combat, which was radar, contacted the bridge with "1100 hundred yards to collision, 1000 yards to collision, 900 yards to collision..."The last the talker on the bridge communicated of the OOD was 1100 hundred yards. Perhaps if he had communicated all of them they could have backed down emergency full and we would not have the Greek tanker sitting in our bow. The Greek ship was found technically at fault but the Navy had no excuse for a collision at sea The captain was relieved of command and transferred to Washington, DC to "float a desk."
Partly because I was a yeoman I met and served hundred many officers over my four years but there ws none I enjoyed being with and respected more than Captain Thomas F. Saunders, Jr. USN You never forget.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 12:11:18
There couldn't have been a lot of attention being paid by the USS Fitzgerald OOD, as the Navy ship was hit on the starboard side. This means that they were the "burdened vessel" in a crossing situation and should have turned or taken other evasive action to avoid a collision. Even a Third Class Boatswain's Mate in the Navy or Coast Guard knows that stuff.
Several years ago, up near Race Point, I had to turn the CG36500 sharply to port to avoid a collision, even though we had the Right of Way. A commercial 35' charter boat from P'town was crossing from left to right in front of us, not paying attention, no one steering. If we had hit his thin fiberglass hull with our ten ton boat, he and his passengers would have been swimming.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 09:55:05
Carl & Ben H,
I am not a mariner or even a recreational sailor and do not presume to know what kind of multi-tasking a ship's captain must handle. I do, however, work in ocean-going logistics and cannot comprehend how, with all the technology available nowadays AND trained personnel at specific posts, 2 enormous vessels can collide in the middle of a non-stormy open sea. I will be very interested to hear if human error is indeed at fault.

USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 09:06:00
Bridge, Damage Control - ruptured fire main frame 41, flooding number one hold. The Captain has the helm and responds "Aye, Aye Olson" Bridge, Damage Control, "Request permission to throw damaged ammunition overboard, number one hold." The Captain quickly checks the charts and responds, "Permission denied." You could clearly see the Greek oil tanker sitting in the bow of our ship. The 40mm looked like a piece of broken spaghetti, The Captain and Exec boats like completely smashed plywood.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 01:59:04
Richard,Carl,and all other Chatham mariners.
I stood many watches on an aircraft carrier under training as an OOD (Officer of the Deck) who is the individual responsible for safely navigating the ship when the Captain is off the bridge. An aircraft carrier can be equated to a loaded cargo ship in manueverability - practically none and with lots of weigh on (impossible to stop). I also stood OOD watches on a destroyer - highly manueverable. The plane guard destroyers during flight ops practically zip in and around aircraft carriers. The OOD and bridge watch team are trained to watch all other shipping visually or on radar and notify the Captain if the CPA (closest point of approach)of another vessel appears to be within a certain distance or if the vessel appears to be closing. With all that in mind, how could the Fitzgerald not have avoided the container ship?
As Carl points out, incredible heroics occur after a disaster at sea and as he stated those involved are just reacting by instinct to all the training they received. I am certain that crew saved the ship from sinking just as I am certain an incompetent Officer of the Deck allowed the collision to happen.What do you guys think?

Ben H
USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 21:41:42
USS Muliphen AKA 61 Attack Cargo Ship - clear the foc'sle, clear the foc'sle, colsion quarters, c
ision quarters and then it was repeated. We were in Roosevelt Rhodes after a pick and span dry docks in Boston. I had heard Man Overboard, Man Overboard this is a drill, this is a drill. Fire number three hatch, Fire number three hatch this is a drill this is a drill. And then the training kicked in - the loudspeaker did not say this is a drill. It was pay day and I was selling money orders in the post office. I slammed the door shut with singles, fives, ten, and twenties floating like feathers, locked the door and hutled as fast as I could to my duty station as the Captain's talker on the bridge.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 20:08:00
Glenn: If there were enough full time residents of Eastham that actually cared about the history, which our departed friend Noel Beyle so generously shared with everyone, then maybe there would be a group that would take on the job of getting the mill back in operation. If it (the windmill) is in the hands of the Eastham Selectmen, than I don't see anything changing.
Just like when the CG36500 was offered to Chatham back in 1980; "Nope, don't need it."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 18:08:28
The Eastham Windmill used to grind souvenir corn but a fractured skull suffered decades ago by an unwary visitor after getting clocked in the head by the vanes put an end to that. Plus, as I understand it, the mill cap can't be rotated into the wind because the pole once used for that was repurposed as a replacement to the blade shaft.
Glenn S.
N. Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 11:33:19
As far as the M/V Iyanough ferry crunch goes, I suspect that someone gave the helmsman an order to come left, when the order should have been, come right.

What part of dyslexia could play a role in this scenario?

Or maybe my idea is not based in reality. However, It is either attributable to human error or a steering casualty.

Brother Captain Bob told me before you come in to the dock, check that reverse gear is functional. I still do that with the CG36500.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 20:02:01
As a Chatham native, I am so pleased to know that the windmill actually is operatonal! Eastham millers, get up to speed!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 19:53:02
Nature gave the Godfrey Gristmill the gift of wind today! We ground several bags of corn, moved the cap several times, gave eager visitors bags of cornmeal to take home, and had a wonderfully successful day. Hooray!
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 16:09:34
No longer a newsflash, but very surprised to have seen the M/V Iyanough hit the jetty in Hyannis. Authority operates with great teams. Do not understand how Capt. could have been so far off course into the Harbor. Coast Guard Chatham was one of the teams responsding, but heard seas were so bad, outgoing authority vessel to Nantucket returned back. It must have been a task, just to get to the scene for responders
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/17/2017 - 15:58:30
Civility, and clarity, returns!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 20:25:30
Wishing the fathers in my family a heartfelt Father's Day! My late father David, my late husband Bob, son David, sons in law Matt and Dan and brothers John, Richard and Bob. So proud of all of you!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 18:30:04
Emily, see you at the Windmill!
Jennifer <>
USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 16:00:50
Thanks Lisa for the nudge! I will be at the windmill to see Colonel Godfrey and listen to colonial music by Rev. Robinson.....corn muffins, too.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 13:27:50
This is history weekend. Go see Chatham in the military at the Atwood House. Watch Bob Ryder tap out a message for you at Marconi. Order an historic sign for your 100 year old house with Don Edge's help at the library from 11 to 1. Visit the depot or the windmill.
I'm going to the Caleb Nickerson house. It's all free.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 07:05:45
A belated thank you BobR for your welcome. Love being back in my hometown. Fortunately I missed the chastising and spat that occurred on these pages before mention of Mrs Crowell. I loved her also. When I has to write an essay on my application to Northfield, I was panicked. She was my monitor, noted my distress and reminded me of the relevance to the subject matter of a book we had studied. I had no trouble writing after that.Following her and my English professor godmother Elizabeth Reynard, I was an English teacher for 20 years before I switched to law.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 06:53:16
Gordon, That just shows how compassionate she was. Thanks for sharing your personal story.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/14/2017 - 10:34:52
I would not have graduated with my class in 1949 if Mrs. Crowell had not given me a passing grade which I did not deserve.. She took me aside and said if I would play the Priest in the Play " GENE VALGENE " SP.. she would give me a passing grade !!!! And that's all I have to say about that......
Gordon PRATT
USA - Wed 06/14/2017 - 09:57:29
Must have been early training for the Navy, where we were all referred to by last name.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/13/2017 - 17:36:14
Remember how she addressed each one by his/her last name?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 06/13/2017 - 11:49:28
She was the most graceful and patient teacher I ever had. Including those at Stockbridge School at UMASS, the US Navy Pharmacy School, and Cornell University.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 19:26:20
Carl, None other than Mrs. Josephine Crowell, to whom I owe much.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 15:04:49
"And what is so rare as a day in June..." Makes me remember my Chatham high school English teacher. What was her name?
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 12:37:48
Judith, just so you know if you ever filled out a Chatham town census form your age is a matter of public record. I looked you up, you three years older than I am.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 11:48:03
Happy Summer Everyone!!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 20:00:34
Too many good people like Emily, Nancy, Richard, and Dick feeling the need to defend themselves. You guys have done NOTHING wrong - you add to the room. I. for one, look forward to reading your posts and catching up on Chatham present and past. Judith, Alan, John I hear you - I'm all for moving on with Emily and the Tangle Man into the summer season.
Ben H
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 19:32:30
Emily: Your post wasn't considered unfriendly or offensive to me but given the timing of it, and in context with other surrounding posts, could be seen as such by some, which was unfortunate. So I certainly want you to stay here and contribute because your posts are welcome by me and that's really the key, ok? And just so you know: I thought it had been mentioned previously but Alsn currently lives in NJ but has spent lots of time in/around Chatham and thus his interest in my forum.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 19:15:30
This may be my last entey ever....because newcomer or old-timer, my most friendly question has always been....where do you live? No offense ever meant. Let's move on.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 18:57:01
I don't consider my latest entry re the "fog index" to be disrespectful. There is such a thing that writers can use to ensure clarity, and Alan was aware of it back before I first brought it up.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 16:53:52
I guess I can't say WHO, but a couple of recent responders about A.W. are way out in LEFT field, if you get my drift.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 16:37:42
I don't know how old any of the chatroom contributors are and I doubt any of you know how old I am. Old enough! But I suspect given his writing and experiences, that Alan is older than I am. When I have seen mean-spirited intolerance in this room, I've thought of my dad, and how upset I would be if people treated him disrespectfully because he might not always have made perfect sense to them. Everyone who knew him respected his brilliance and accomplishments. I don't think any of us personally know Alan or have even spoken with him with the exception of John. Alan is owed an apology. You know who you are.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 14:53:20
Alan: I agree that you haven't done any obvious 'bait' posts but as to rambling, I would say your mention of a cockpit shooting years ago to be a perfect example of that as it has NO connection to current topic or Chatham, ok?

Nancy: You're definitely one of the most senior members of this site but I would disagree on the use of "holier than thou" as I view it rather as posts made by a person with lots of scientific background, who's also got aviation knowledge and literary and music interests and maybe a tendency to write a bit more technically or detailed or off-topic than really needed here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 12:13:00
Whoa, I hope we can slow this stage coach down. Just a short note. First, the term bait, I never ever had any awareness of this and what some think I do.

Second,I very much appreciate any support that has come my way, however in a humble way, I am able to defend myself (on a website or otherwise)

When you see something, say something and Chatham could use a bit more of this. This kind of action first came to mind in 1973, when this guy I knew was very young and new to avaition. A company crew was shot in a DC-9 30 cockpit at Baltimore Airport' Call in rambling or what ever, but light was turned on long before the phase.

Judith, you way out on the limb for me and I thank you. John, you as well.
However Judith, I know that you are of the same mind and I trust your thinking and understanding of matters.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 11:22:18
John, I think you know me by now since I have been on this site since its inception and have never meant any harm to anyone, including Alan. It is just his "holier than thou" attitude which got to me. I still love fog......amen.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 11:06:31
Nancy, Dick, Ben, etal: I think John Hallgren has made his feelings known and should be respected. He "owns" the room, yet some of you seem to think this is a place only meant for people who grew up together to reminisce about days gone past. You are wrong.

Intolerance and lack of courtesy to someone you do not know, is really disgraceful in my opinion. I don't know many of the people in this room, and why they behave as they do. The attitudes and name calling from some are curious at best. The "natives" vs. wash-ashores position is an extremely narrow attitude. Most of the volunteers and elected officials in the town of Chatham were not born there. And there are people who were not born in Chatham who know much more about the history of the place than some natives. Think about it.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 09:01:50
I have nick named him The Tangle Man and I enjoy the time I spend trying to untangle what he says.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 08:35:19
Ben H: I attempt to treat everyone here the same, even those who criticize me, (but have/will give slight preference to those whom I have met/spoken to compared to unknown ones) and take many factors into consideration as to how to handle a situation. Alan is NOT a "teachers pet" but I will defend his postings when I feel he is being unfairly attacked, ok?

We will probably disagree on a number of things but I found none of Alan's recent postings "bizarre, rambling" when compared to some others here. He's stayed on topic much more than before and his replies to comments on him were quite mild and restrained given how he was 'picked on'. I don't see his posts as "bait" either, when compared to what I see elsewhere. If you/others think they are, then why are folks responding to them, and in such a hostile-to-outsiders manner? When I get email from a true LOCAL supporting Alan, then i know I'm right in my approach.

Yes, some of his posts may be a bit wordy occasionally but have improved after our phone conversation. His background/career as a chemical engineer and a private pilot really needs to be considered when you read them. That helped me understand why he's posted some of what he did the way he did.

Honestly, I've also had some negative feedback from others regarding some of your prior posts but since you don't want to respond to me PRIVATELY as I have requested more than once, given your current post, I feel it's time to mention it publicly. I do still want you as a poster here but some of your criticisms on my ways of doing things have been a bit much.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 03:57:45
John your post is unfair at the very least - I have a better understanding for Alan now but consider this - Alan likes to practice both his literary and social skills by using this room (your room if you will) - His method is to treat this forum as a group therapy session and make bizarre, rambling statements designed to "bait" others in the group - When good people react and chastise him as they should, Alan always goes "See, I told you so" or "Your response shows you lack character" - He obviously enjoys it because he periodically returns to do it again - Meantime bleeding heart Judith surfaces in his defense and you as moderator chime in to treat Alan as the "teachers pet" just like grammar school all over again - I applaud Nancy and the others - Alan got what he wanted and asked for so he'll be back especially with you holding his hand - Meantime, how about you let the room get back on the roll it was on before he shows up again
and he will - When you say you found "NOTHING wrong" with his posts, you completely overlook the way he baits people and then acts in a superior fashion with his responses pointing out his knowledge of the fog index or aviation all in a rambling flower power way - this room should not be group therapy for Alan Wirsul, join us and contribute in a friendly way and we could care less where you live - Nancy, Richard, Dick, Emily despite John's statement many of us are strongly behind you and we get what you are saying

Ben H
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 03:19:54
Alan Wisrul: I really hope that you'll continue to post here. I found NOTHING at all wrong with any of your recent posts and NOTHING that deserved the negative comments you have received. And I will be deleting at least one of those posts a bit later. From our phone call a while back, which gave me a better understanding of your background and maybe why you write as you do, I think you are now being treated unfairly by some of the others here, and that's NOT ok with me.

Others: I received an email Friday eve from one of the regulars here who is a LOCAL and in part, wrote this:
"Very disrespectful posts from Nancy Ryder Petrus, her brother and Dick Fulcher

Several people have emailed me about how nasty they are to Mr. Wirsal".
Remember that one doesn't need to live in Chatham most of their life to post here. This is open to ALL, including those who may live elsewhere but who have visited/stayed here, so it's not a closed private group on Facebook, ok?

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 02:28:01
I won't say more, other than to say-a demonstration of Character
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/09/2017 - 23:59:12
Judith, Do you really want his nut case to continue posting?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
USA - Fri 06/09/2017 - 20:07:11
And the friendliness keeps on coming.

Richard: Indeed I have full recognition of your Fog index and merely chose purposely to igor it. I not into suggested imposed means of writing.

Mr. Fulcher: You have already distingished yourself. My only question for you is that if I came to you for help, would you turn on me?

Ms. Cunningham is it? I was unaware that you had to establish demarcaton lines. Hence following of your question to that of Richard or Mr. Fulcher and you are in some vein search of where I live- Please note that to my understanding this is not necessary to contribute here.

I am not into appresive postures, but the inspiration of trying to do good.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 20:03:27
Alan, where do you live in Chatham?
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 18:52:21
Interesting that months ago I asked Alan if he knew of the "Fog index", which referred to the complexity of sentences. Like his.
Now we are back talking about real fog, Chatham type fog, marine fog for sure that doesn't burn off by noon.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 17:36:26
Alan, please don't let the unfriendly tone of some contributors discourage you from participating.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 16:27:21
Here we go again, with Alan.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 16:11:56
Indeed I do not know as much about Chatham as the natives, but I am finding out about the Ryder Nation of folks and the "friendly culture" that is extended to oursiders.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 11:26:36
Alan, A dear friend just mentioned to me that you seem to know more about Chatham than the rest of us natives, so could we please end this discussion?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 10:25:32
Fishermen that knew how to navigate without LORAN, RADAR, GPS, RDF etc., had a lot less competition during "Thicka Fog" events. I have never been referred to as a land fog lover. 8K days plus at sea and still counting.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 08:40:11
Good Evening Nancy:
I bet these family members have some stories to tell about fog. The key word for me is "concern." You probably are aware of this already, there are actually 6 major types of fog known to the weather guys. When you get the chance, you might ask your son about "Marine Fog"-its usually very thick, long lasting and yes can be found in Chatham. My guess (since I have not had the privilage of enjoying Chatham every day) you probably see more ground/radiation fog.

Concern means to me, that I become more acutely aware of the surrounding and the tools at hand, that might be available to guide me thru., as life could be a changing.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 22:47:41
Alan, Bob Ryder was a fisherman and our father a fisherman for 56 years out of Chatham Harbor. My son is a captain with Southwest Airlines. We know about fog........we still like it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 20:36:30
Rarely have been too cold, but most times too hot. like In Guantanamo, in VA, in Boston, in Memphis for sure, in Vietnam, even in Eastham, when Chathamites are cool it can be hot in Eastham
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 19:26:12
Looks like a few weather watchers around. Temp. wise, I always saw July 18 a key date on the cape-Chatham or where ever. A couple of days before this date and 6-8 days afterwards, I always observed some very good weather with great temps. However when temp and dew point come between 3 degrees of each other, I always had concern. All you land Fog lovers would see it differently if you were outside the Chatham Channel on a boat or for that matter in the air over Chatham or Hyannis.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 19:23:31
I DO love the fog!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 14:50:22
Fiftyfive degrees and thick fog year-round would satisfy me.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 12:42:37
Yes, John, I remember that cold 4th of July. We were celebrating at our camp on North Beach but it was so cold we were all in long pants and sweatshirts. Every now and then we do get a cold and rainy summer to totally discourage our paying tourists. Hope this is not one of them.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 19:26:29
How I missed Chatham when I worked at Hendrie's Ice Cream Factory in Milton in the summer of 1958.!
Eight dollars a week for a rented room, with shared bath. No fan, wicked hot .No car. Chinese laundry down the street washed what few shirts I owned. Don't remember about any other garments.
I have progressed way beyond being too warm in the summer, and too cold in the winter.

Hendrie's at the time made all the ice cream for Stop and Shop. Their policy was eat all you want. That lasted about two weeks. After that, I just sampled infrequently.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 18:26:16
I remember a summer (1961?) when the sun never shone until one day today n August. Art Gould dropped the whole family at North Beach for the day........and the fog rolled over North Beaxh, while the church steeples were bathed in bright sunshine. The ultimate irony.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 11:46:58
Mornings were cool and the dew was stuck in the screens as the sun came up. The day was warm but not hot and after swimming, a sun-warmed towel was welcome. (On rainy days, Oyster Pond swimming lessons felt like shivering torture!!) My favorite time was right around 6PM when you would find your soft, comfy sweatshirt and put it on as the fog and chill rolled in. My wonderful Chatham......
USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 09:59:45
Cold Summers! Yes they have always been cold. One Summer day in the mid 60s McBride the cop stopped me and said I was dressed improperly. He assumed I had nothing on under my CPO jacket- I had the wool jacket over my bathing suit.
Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 07:46:47
Does anyone remember the summer-at least 20-25 years ago when even the 4th of July was cold. I can remember wearing a coat to the parade. The summer did have some warm days, but almost no real beach days.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/05/2017 - 19:16:03
Remember today from 2-4:30 at DelMar is the Tim Roper celebration of life as published in obit.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/03/2017 - 08:38:14
The new boat at Coast Guard Chatham looks to be better suited for rescues in Pleasant Bay and Nantucket Sound than the 42 footers currently employed in Chatham. This is due to the fact that the 42 footers are prone to suck up sand and eelgrass in shallow waters.
The crew is excited about the boat and it's shallow water capabilities. The boat came from Lake Tahoe.
There are two presently on the grounds of Station Chatham, but one will soon be going to another station nearby.
All boats have their limitations.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 19:55:54
Or the Ospreys have obtained a gag order regarding further details on the location of their nest??? ;-)
USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 14:41:30
Yes, because is it the case that everyone is going to see the Nest?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 12:56:35
Nothing shuts down a chat room like an osprey nest.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 10:55:35
HAs anyone seen the osprey nest at Veterans field?
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/30/2017 - 09:45:11
Interesting to note that a Memorial Service was held on the USS Intrepid today, the very same ship that my fellow Corpsman and close friend, HM3 Richard Gauthier, died while trying to save his shipmates. He was awarded posthumously the Navy and Marine Corps Medal. There is a seat in his memory on the Intrepid.

Another Richard friend, Col Richard Ellison, Province Senior Adviser, Kien Giang Province, was killed going down a canal in the daylight which I occasionally traversed in Vietnam. His name is on the wall in DC.
After so many years, their memories are still uppermost in my thoughts, especially on Memorial Day.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 18:02:31
Amazing as it may seem, today would have marked the 100 birthday of John F. Kennedy. No President since has matched the distinctive quality of his body politic style. Was he remembered today at the Chatham Memorial Day events?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 13:55:31
And to the families of those fallen heroes as well.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 13:20:01
Never forget those who sacrificed for our freedom.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 11:04:55
Second to BobR
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 05/26/2017 - 23:19:28
Welcome home, E and D. Nice to see the flag flying at your home.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/26/2017 - 17:25:21
When I worked at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop, (later the Frog Pond) across from the Ebb Tide Motel, one job I had was to turn men's trouser pockets inside out and brush them with a small brush. To remove pocket lint, etc. I suppose. Bishop's pants were notably short, and fishy. And bare of any bills or coins.
He was known to the fishermen as "Bishop."
But wasn't his first name Stanley?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/24/2017 - 20:02:35
Charlotte. Daughter of Howard & Margaret Bishop

(But Jim Dempsey, who mentioned him, isn't related to Ralph.)

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 18:32:26
Carl - I don't think we've met either, though I've very much enjoyed your contributions here on this board. I think you misinterpreted what I said -- my Dad hired Ralph Macdonald to build our house in West Chatham, back in 1958. I think you were talking about Ralph himself who I remember from when I was a kid and seemed to be a very nice guy. My Dad was pleased with the quality of the house he built for us, and I still own it to this day.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 14:25:43
Carl, Wasn't Bishop's daughter married to Ralph MacDonald?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 13:25:49
James Dempsey - I don't think I know you but I do remember your Dad being a fine builder and building those motels. Is there any chance that he was married to Bishop's (5K in hundred roll in his right hand pocket) the fish dealer's daughter - perhaps her name might have been Constance? or Connie? Very beautiful lady.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 12:33:46
On a stormy day in the spring of 1975, I took my boat, Gollum, out for some bass. I had a few herring left from the day before, and had stopped in Stage Harbor and caught some Pogies to keep the herring company in my live tank. The area I decided to fish was between where the bar was at that time, and Monomoy...good fast moving water when the tide turns. I was using 15lb. mono with lead line for backing. I caught 3 big stripers that day, 39, 40, and 42 lbs. And, yes, the biggest one escaped the gaff! I've never repeated that. When they stopped biting I headed in and handed my receipt to Millie ,then headed to the Squire.
MO USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 09:32:49
Ralph Macdonald built the house for my Dad in West Chatham in 1958. He also built Sea In The Rough and Handkerchief Shoals, among others. He once caught a very big striper and brought it by to show it off to my dad, in 1959. Here's that photo: Looks at least as big as the 64 lb one!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 13:16:05
The largest bass I remember seeing was caught by Tim Hartnett, back in 1974. He had it mounted and it hung in his father's house in Riverbay. Does anyone else remember this and/or the weight? Pretty sure it was in the 60+ range.
MO USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 12:44:58
Photo of said big bass:
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 11:40:41
Col Jim - saw something on the internetz of someone catching a 64lb striper over near the canal this week.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 11:37:44
Bingo - called the "Deadman's hand". Good catch Jim - thought I'd killed he interwebz for a few moments....

Anyone catching any stripers yet? Schoolies should be in.

USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 20:06:11
I think Jim was referring to Wild Bill Hickock who was preported to be holding the Aces & Eights hand when it was killed.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 18:27:21
JimP: Whose gravesite?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 17:38:03
Carl, we visited his gravesite in Deadwood when we were in South Dakota - neat place. Some pretty interesting characters buried there.
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 18:54:01
Aces and eights.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 13:04:46
It wasn't a body they found at Saquatucket Harbor, it was THIS ROOM!
Ben H
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 10:10:25
Good to hear Carl I had been looking for you in the Norwegian Funny Papers
Ben H
USA - Wed 05/17/2017 - 16:04:21
After several inquires I do not think it is me.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 05/17/2017 - 00:27:08
A couple photos and very little information about the body found at Saquatucket Harbor can be seen here. (If you have trouble with copy/paste, here's a shorter link: )
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 16:12:59
Wishing All Mothers out there a Very Happy Mother's Day and may your faces light up with gladness! (Taken from the Song "Smile" originally done in 1936 by Chapman and later by Nat King Cole, Michael Jackson, and Rod Stewart. Mom's you might want to Utube this one.
So today is the day to SMILE!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 12:51:45
Does anyone know who died in Saquatucket Harbor this morning? A lot of Chatham boats up there.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 12:48:05
I understand the sea is a rolling in Chatham. The election is over, no one says much, so now its time to move on, but here's a good one for all: We can believe what we choose, we are answerable for what we choose to believe.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 22:55:40
I was gonna ask if Bob had commandeered the ship and was planning to skipper the rest of the cruise.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 19:01:29
The sea she is a'rollin but Captain Bob has it under control!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 11:24:13
Chronicle FB post says Cory Metters has been elected as Chairman of BOS. Given his prior experience at Planning Board, it's going to be well run meetings, I believe.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/12/2017 - 09:58:34
Updated: She had 1,289 to his 706. That's quite a victory. Hope things improve on BOS now.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:33:15
Chronicle reports that Shareen Davis won the election. No vote count given in the FB post.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:29:02
Sylvia Fulcher - and now you may know the rest of the story. Happy trails ahead!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:18:43
I'm not sure I qualify, but I know I never pull strings.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 19:03:29
Alan - proud to be one!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 14:27:15
John Whelan/Emily:
Democracy is great, but you have to recognize its limitation. Facetious or not, the ancient Greeks (Spartans) were aware of the flaws where they referred to the "string pullers" as the minor arts of wire pulling. Even within this room, it is clearly obvious that you also have the "good old boy gang" Chatham card carrying members and they are easily identifiable.

To this end, Chatham people, go out and exercise your right to vote as there are many on this site, who provided the assistance for you to do so.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 10:36:38
I like both candidates and feel as though each of them are worthy of consideration. If Seth is ousted, though, who will champion the Monomoy issue(s)? Anyone have that answer? Good luck to both of them.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 17:34:31
The following quote is taken directly from Seth at the debate. Verify on channel 18 if you would like.

: "I ask you all to look around the town of Chatham and tell me if you have a year round business that has to pay the level of taxes a marijuana shop is going to pay. And they are going to find a profitable business in the town of Chatham. This is something that is going to be legal in the town of Chatham...Is it going to be a problem in the winter time, of course not..Is it going to be more exciting in the summertime, it sure is... Pot is gonna be legal...It is irrelevant when and if it becomes legal because I don't know any 98-year-olds who will be smoking bones." He also said Massachusetts has always been known for its Blue Laws and they should have been buried years ago"

Clearly, his attempt to paint himself as anti legal marijuana and Shareen as for it was an effort to pander to chatham majority who don't support it. The bottom line is that they both essentially said similar things and to suggest otherwise is being untruthful.

Sean < >
USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 14:06:52
I'm afraid there are voters who count on a certain few to be involved, and speak at Town Meeting. And despite the opportunity to state one's opinion, not everyone is comfortable doing so. It takes a bit of courage, despite wobbly knees and the realization there will be criticism by some. But, it is SO important to pay attention and be involved.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 10:32:55
I see some towns have their Town Meetings on Saturday. Maybe that would be something to consider for the future. It's very hard for folks who are up early and work all day - especially those with families to try to attend evening meetings. I would much more appreciate the opportunity of attending one on a Saturday instead of working al day then going in the evening - and I know I speak for others as well.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 06:13:25
Emily, I don't know what is flawed about the system. The ability to state one's position is available to all. It is transparent. Few government decisions at all levels are as fair. Please tell me how it is flawed.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 22:35:49 point exactly! Shame on me for not attending Town Meeting this year after 3 generations of love of this town.,way back to 1880. But the system is flawed....and the "big_wiga" know it! What EVER HAS HAPPENED.
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:59:27
I know that many people have strong feelings about some of the issues decided at Chatham's Town Meeting. Some feel their beliefs have been validated and some feel their position was unfairly denied. That is not my issue. My issue is the integrity of the Town Meeting system. To my knowledge, all interested voters can attend and participate in our Town Meeting. Each and every voter has his or her right to address the meeting and to vote on the issue. To me, that is the purest form of democracy available anywhere. So any talk of 220 votes out of 6000
is, to my way of thinking, just so much talk. We should do all we can to preserve the Town Meeting form of government.

john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:28:11
It does require a lot of patience to sit at Town Meeting, but it is one thing I miss. I started going to Town Meeting at the age of 13 and learned much about the way our town works. Many people couldn't care less about the proceedings, but it's the best way to direct what happens to where you live, or to at least make an attempt.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:07:40
Thank you, Elaine.....I simply wanted to point out how the few are able to decide for the many! Who is to blame? I cannot venture a guess, but my husband I have voted (absentee) for a candidate we feel will intelligently continue a fight for all of Chatham and has " a dog in the fight". My firngers are crossed.
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:47:35
Selectman Taylor is against them.
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:25:24
Judy P. To add to your reference re: the alleged "smear campaign"- which is defined as "false accusations", I'm confused by that moniker floating around. .No one can debate that Shareen is for them and Seth is against Selectman Taylor. Pot shops will likely be the single biggest social issue facing every community this year. Since legalization was defeated in Chatham 58%-42%, I think we can conclude that at least 58% would be opposed to pot shops in Chatham. However the Chronicle neglected to report that Shareen stated this position in both debates- one on video of 4-20-17 at the League f Women Voters. i think we can all agree that an informed citizenry is always better for democracy.
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:23:30
Emily. If I understood your comment, i agree with you that its pretty sad that so few show up at town meeting to determine how millions are spent. A $31 Million appropriation for wastewater expansion( mostly for 137 for Harwich) , and as much as our entire Operating Budget, passed with less discussion than pickle ball. As far as the Intermunicipal Agreement with Harwich, I'd just say I'm really glad none of those 220 who voted for it are my Financial Advisor. I'd be bankrupt in short order.
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:03:18
Debbie - do you want to continue this dialogue about exaggeration? I happen to be the recipient of an email you're sending around saying that there's a smear campaign going on against Shareen saying how if pot is sold in Chatham her opponents are claiming we are trying to work people into a frenzy by stating Shareen is for organized crime and homelessness. Seriously? You may want to get your facts straight before you post on here . We all conveniently noticed how you never responded to my question - silence is complacency. Maybe your grandchildren will venture into a pot shop and buy their wares and bring some home to you.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:30:56
P.S Debbie. The Chronicle stated it was 61. They must be wrong.
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:19:17
It is reminiscent of the 7000 cars that drive down Stage Harbor Rd every day.
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:16:41
Elaine: It was stated that under 400 out of 6000 (total) voters supported. So I stated that 60 out of 6000 (total) voters opposed. Sorry about the one vote. We can discuss exaggeration of numbers after the election.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:05:15
Oops typo - should have said when will town require - sorry
Great catch Elaine -

W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:56:25
Read online one comment today about the horrible deal that was negotiated for this - couldn't agree more - but as Debbie says democracy rules. Interesting how some things can become non binding when the "powers that be" don't like the outcome. This was indeed a horrible deal that Chatham will end up paying greatly for a long time to come. Would be interested to learn when CBI and that stretch of roadway will be forced to hook up. The town seems to be baking the small users hook up first - which makes no sense
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:46:48
FYI Debbie. The vote was 220-61. Not 6000-61. This exaggeration of numbers is ringing a bell.
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:43:20
60 out of 6000 opposed it. Democracy in action!
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:32:28
Arrgh! Wilth over 6000 voters in Chatham, under 400 voted to approve the sewer deal with Harwich. Something stinks!
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:15:46
Carl: Is your Indian Hill neighbor as old as you? Or was she a former neighbor from many years ago?Are you both old?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 17:41:14
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for my old Indian Hill Road neighbor - Miss San Francisco. Now guess that one!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 13:13:18
As a kid, I loved to peel and chew on a fresh stalk of rhubarb. Expected to love rhubarb pie and practically gagged on it!!! Ironically, I am not usually a fan of the "sour" food/drink experience and rhubarb pie adds sugar. In every other instance, I absolutely LOVE pie. Not...this...time... :-\
USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 10:41:22
Lisa, thanks. We too always referred to it as Andrew Harding's Lane, and all mail ever sent home seemed to get there. In later years when our street number got changed from the "43" it always was, to something like "56", the change became apparent to me. Does the street sign have the s on the end? Regardless, it has always been a special place, especially back when Walter Eldredge and then Art Gould had "Boats to let". On a side note, our garden too had rhubarb in it, and whether it was her love or the raisins she put in hers, Aunt Betty's rhubarb was always delicious! And nothing like a strawberry/rhubarb pie!
MO USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:53:17
For the first time in fifteen years, I won't be in the bleachers at ATM, as not arriving until this afternoon so have things to do in Yarmouth tonight...oh well...will watch on video later.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:45:01
I note that the assessor lists Eliphalets (oops Eliphamets) with no apostrophe. Maybe it's that way for all "possessive" streets. Wondering why the name was changed. Maybe Andrew used it as a path to the beach from his store.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:01:14
The assessor's office lists the lane without an s but we have always referred to it as Andrew Hardings Lane even though Andrew Harding never owned it and his store was at 151 Main. I don't think he ever lived on the street. On an old map, it once was Mullet Street. No lifeguards in red chairs at Lighthouse Beach.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 08:22:20
Could be Richard. My sons hate tomatoes. I grow lots of them and I love them. But, I never forced them to eat them.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 18:46:08
If your household was shy of sugar, then I can see why you might have an aversion to stewed rhubarb. Or maybe body chemistries react differently to such things. My wife is not an aficionado of rhubarb, but somehow I was born to like it.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 18:00:43
Rubub: This brought back a memory. My parents had an enormous garden, with rhubarb planted along the driveway. I HATED stewed rhubarb, but my siblings and I had to finish everything served us. All my friends would be out playing and I would be gagging on that awful rhubarb. Later, when I was learning to drive, back and forth up and down the driveway I "accidentally" ran over the rhubarb. Never ate it again. It is pretty though.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 17:01:46
Jake Worth was an auto mechanic at Chase Chevrolet (now Bank Of America ) on Old Harbor Road.Jake was stationed with my grandfather in the Coast Guard at Monomoy around 1917-1918. It was years later that I knew that Jake had been in the CG.
This time of year, when rhubarb is coming in, I think of him. He'd buy our extra stalks, so I became "Rubub" to him.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 15:30:07
Jim P is right this is a decision for the informed voters of Chatham to make. I can guarantee one thing though and that is that there will be not one teaspoon less Marijuana consumed in Chatham if pot shops are prohibited. To quote one of the Chowderman's favorites "Just because thou art virtuos shall there be no more cakes and ale!"
Tony Murphy <>
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 14:49:09
I don't think I would want to arm wrestle with JimP - or brain wrestle either!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 11:13:03
wasn't the halfway house a little shack literally "halfway" between life-saving stations? A place of refuge for the surfmen out walking foot patrol within their sector? I recall talking with Jake Worth about that stuff many years ago. a great education from listening to him and some of the other old-timers.

My commentary on the legalization was not a pro or con stance; just my observations from an area I knew fairly well: Colorado Springs. I would urge people to exercise diligence and do their own research. Legalization is NOT the fiscal panacea many advocates claim. the secondary and tertiary costs of legalization often dwarf the revenue generated; not to mention the social issues that arise.

Some areas it may be fine; others...not so much. Is it right for Chatham? I'd let the voters decide armed with accurate information from recent jurisdictions that have done so.

As to discourse, please keep things civil - we can all disagree on many things. Life would be boring were we to all agree on everything; but let's keep the discourse civil. There's a whole lot of really good people here with whom I may disagree, but they are still really good people.

USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 09:42:19
I remember when Halfway House was moved to Forest Beach in the late 1980's by Mr. Baker. It's probably there to stay. I'm happy that it was of the few iconic structures that remain in our town. It had been named to the National Register of Historic Places prior to being moved.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 07:59:40
Debbie, the Halfway House still resides in Chatham...just not on the same beach. And, for those of you that do not know me, BobR is Robert Smith Ryder, born in October of 1941, and except for a few years abroad have called Chatham "home" ever since.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 04:48:03
Bill M, I don't need you or anyone else in this room to lecture me about what drugs can do to families. I have been there. I support Shareen for many other reasons, a primary one being that she is respectful of others and their opinions.
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 23:25:05
Debbie - just curious here - do you or do you not support pot shops in Chatham? I think we'd all be curious to hear your response.
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 22:41:58
Disingenuous? I don't know Bill M., Ben H., Bob R, Glenn S. or Bill N.. But, I do think these are probably real people unlike "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton".

There's something really odd and presumptuous about a person afraid to use his or her real name, but will endorse a candidate. It's not as though "Steve Harding" is a respected member of the community who lends credibility, integrity or authority with an endorsement. IMO.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 22:17:26
OK Judy, I guess I need to explain again. Scroll down and you'll see that Bill M. addressed "Anonymous Steve". So I thought it was pretty disingenuous, where he's also anonymous. I'll leave it at that.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 21:36:57
Debbie - I just don't understand why you feel the need to argue with everyone in here. It is as tiring as George's posts. Who cares? People have expressed their opinions about having pot shops in Chatham and it's safe to say the majority of residents do not want them . Regardless of who Bill M. is he wrote an extremely well thought out post as did others.
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 21:23:59
I take it that you and others know who Bill M. is? Fair is fair, IMHO.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:24:23
Debbie: Why have you referred to Bill M. as "Anonymous Bill M."? Seriously. I don't think I've ever seen you refer to "Steve Harding" or "George Hamilton" this way.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:18:20
Anonymous Bill M.: This discourse has me perplexed. Your candidate has even been quoted as saying that the discussion is premature.
I bit of nostalgia from 1959: Halfway House on the beach between the Hawes House Beach and Andrew Harding's Beach. Wishing it could be brought back, now that the beach has built up again.

Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:01:32
Bill M. -Roll call
"Steve Harding"
I don't know how a candidate can say in one breath we need to bring in more young families to Chatham, and in the next support pot shops. A really great way to create ANOTHER "challenge facing young people"-AND their parents. The negative impact on property values alone would be profound and irreversible. I would personally never buy a home in any town with pot shops, exposing my grandchildren to an environment as described by Jim P. It would be grossly irresponsible. Nor do I think "pot shops" made the Chamber of Commerce's top 50 list for "rebranding" Chatham. But "rebranded" it will be. To imply that to embrace "diversity" requires being accepting of pot shops, and all it's very serious negative implications for a community, is taking "spin" to an absurdly, laughable level, if it weren't so serious. I'm frankly floored that anyone would even attempt to rationalize it's support under the guise of "diversity" and having a "broad perspective". I refuse to embrace it and won't be "shamed" into it, by you or anyone else. And shame on you for trying, whoever you are. It is a bridge, once crossed, that will change Chatham forever- and not for the good, for anyone, by any standard.

USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 18:57:00
Anybody who thinks that it is a good idea to have Pot Shops in any community is not looking out for the best interests of the entire community. It may be good for business for someone. But, it is a loser for society. This is not a slap against Shereen, I thing she is a good person.. let's think about the kids in this town.
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 16:06:38
Can you two really support a candidate such as this with a straight face? Both of you? It is laughable and seems to clearly indicate that you and every other person that may be supporting Shareen Davis, have no problem with marijuana sales in Chatham. George, do you know what drugs do to young families? Have you any concept of how drugs can decimate a community? HA! HA! HA! Let me fall off my chair laughing! What you have is a candidate that is telling the voters of Chatham that it's ok to have drugs in our community.

There is no whitewashing this one. She said what she said. Unfortunately for George and Steve, they can't change that.

Please... who in this chat room would even consider exposing our community to the horrors of drugs by voting for Shareen Davis? Please, let's get a roll call.

Bill M.
Chatham, MA, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 15:10:05
George Myers & Anonymous Steve,

This room was just getting back to normal but you two want to serve us up some more political slop. So, ok. game on.

I just watched the League of Women Voters event and here is what Shareen Davis said: "People think this is an up and coming industry all over the country. We shouldn't be dismissive of the idea. Why don't we take advantage of that and hopefully we see some businesses in town that will be able to sell marijuana. "

Everyone should watch it.

Bill M.
Chatham, MA, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 15:09:33
Mr. Harding:
Your Choreographing maneuver turns on a metaphoric light switch within me
"Don't count your chickens before they hatch"

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 12:17:14
5 days to go to Election Day. Shareen Davis continues to demonstrate her willingness to listen to differing opinions of the issues. She clearly shows her knowledge of the challenges facing working people, young and old, obviously since she and her family have first hand experience. It is this broad perspective that will make her a great asset for Chatham's diverse community when she is elected on Thursday.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 10:38:54
Just an observation on the legality of pot: I've been stationed at Fort Carson twice (Colorado Springs); spent 5 years there prior to the enactment of the marijuana laws a couple years ago.
In our meanderings about the country, we spent a month camping at the Air Force Academy (sorry Ben) back in October. Colorado Springs used to be a vibrant, eclectic and wonderful community - really neat little city. It has been overrun by bums and vagrants seeking the permissiveness of the lax drug laws. EVERY single corner in downtown CS has panhandlers seeking money....EVERY SINGLE CORNER.

When previously there, Jen felt perfectly safe to wander around downtown and do her thing on off days. She said she wouldn't venture down there now unless me or our 220 pound dog was with her. Kind of sad. And, I'm not even mentioning the concomitant crime rate and illegal "grow-house" statistics.

Just food for thought.

USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 08:48:56
I am not going to get into this with you George except to say that at the Chatham Alliance forum this week Seth again said he was opposed, and Shareen said she was for pot shops. Hundreds of people were present for the comments at the two forums which I trust you were not. Take it or leave it. It is what it is.
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 20:29:07
Elaine, Difficult to arrive at that conclusion based on his LWV responses. In fact, he Joked about marijuana use.
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 20:12:26
I lived well below the arresting gear, but the 1000 lb bombs being rolled around in the hangar bay on the Intrepid were just feet over my head. I was on the Intrepid when two A-1's (prop planes) shot down at least one Russian MIG, a jet. Cool stuff.
Ben, I give you a lot of credit for landing on a carrier deck, multiple times, in a "steuff" as well as an A-4.. There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old and bold pilots. I have some movies I shot of various carrier landings, as well as movies of crossing the Equator and crew members becoming Shellbacks.
Sorry, this is not Chatham news or history. Just encouraging Ben to tell some more sea stories.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 19:48:28
When I was at Umass my advisor was David Porter, a very bright and kind man. After receiving my Master's Degree at Wesleyan I returned to UMass, at age now 29, and looked up David. He asked me what I had learned at Wesleyan and I told him that I had learned how to read. He knew exactly what I meant, put his hand on my shoulder and congratulated me.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 18:11:15
"To be fair" George, Selectman Taylor is on record that he is opposed to pot shops in Chatham, Ms Davis is on record at LWV that "hopefully we will see some businesses in town that will be able to sell marijuana." I think the difference between those two positions is crystal clear.
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 17:28:54
Carl - interesting! Thank you and Ben for your reminiscing- I always enjoyed hearing the stories folks mentioned near Camp Avalon as well. Not too many folks here now that remember that or the blimp coming to Chatham.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:59:58
I see again that we might have something in common with your Umass venture, but difficult for me to relate it to Chatham except to say there may be a few chemists out in the township. At Umass, there was a Professor Louis Carpino who taught out of the Lederle Building (he must be about 86 now, but I know he was teaching into is late 70's). His work centered around the construction of Peptides and Med Chemistry. He is responsible for 1000's of jobs and more, around the Pharma world-remarkable mind, great guy!

Ben: Few People have the chance to what you were doing, coming back from Chatham, did you ever miss the arrestor lines? Forget about missing them, what was the experience that may have caused you to cr... in your pants the most?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:56:24
Judy, As you well know a political contribution to a candidate does not establish that the candidate agrees with every position of the contributor. If that were true, Chatham would hardly move forward under Mr. Taylor as many of his most ardent supporters are CAVE people (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)(joke). BTW, looks like about 40% of Mr. Taylor's financial support is from himself.

To be fair, Judy, both Ms. Davis and Mr. Taylor acknowledged the inevitability of a "pot shop" in Chatham in light of state law that will allow them. Mr. Taylor noted that if Chatham didn't have a pot shop, Chatham people will just go to Harwich to buy it. I don't think he would want to forgo the taxes a Chatham pot shop would bring to Chatham coffers.

Sorry folks, but Judy started it.

George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:37:14
Ben and Alan -when I was in Rota, Spain in the Navy with a very high clearance for classified material and I carried a .38 Ruger Courier and the A4 would land on the tarmac and I and my LTJG Frank Paskert would pick up the material and transport it back to HQ. I always enjoyed reading the ONI Office of Naval Intelligence (coded Secret) and what was happening with the Russians off of North Beach. When I came across the red paper for Top Secret and it said "For US Eyes Only" my knees trembled a bit but it was interesting although I did not understand much of it. It was a nice firearm they gave me to carry and if I agreed to reenlist they would make me a YN2500 which was a secret agent with a CID designation for civilian in disguise Fortunately the Sirens of Umass attracted me more and at age 22 I went to college.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 15:01:18
The Chronicle's Facebook page is posting a link to the Town website to show who is supporting the candidates and the amounts of their contributions. No surprises the developers are supporting Ms. Davis who also said she would support pot shops in Chatham at the League of Woman Voters Forum. I know folks are fed up with the political posts on here; however one should know who they're voting for and their positions on certain topics.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 14:12:34
Hey Alan 3 aircraft carriers in northeast back then USS Intrepid (now a museum in NYC)and USS Lake Champlain in Quounset Pt, USS Wasp in Boston (because JFK wanted one carrier in Boston). Each carrier had A1 Skyraiders, E1 Hawkeyes, S2 Trackers, and A4 Skyhawks (A4 was the only jet aircraft - meant to counter the threat of the Russian Bear aircraft flyovers in the North Atlantic as in early Top Gun). I flew the S2 and A4. How does this relate to the Cape? We totally blew up the James Longstreet relic off Brewster on training missions with our rockets and at night we had a mega candlepower searchlight which would expose and scatter beach parties (some even forgot to gather their clothes) when we came in low towards their campfire and lit them off at the last minute. All in good fun and best interests of training and proficency.
Ben H
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 11:31:06
Oh my - - totally forgot that place!! I don't think we were allowed to go there - too many "older" kids.. LOL Not a clue about Harding v Harding's . . sorry
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 10:43:26
Judy, the "Inner Beach" I was referring to was located in the basement of the Episcopal Church, summers of '67-'68 I believe. However, I spent countless hours working and playing within the confines of the one you are referring to! Many hours spent skim boarding the low water flats at Andrew Harding's Lane. Speaking of, when referred to, it was always with the "S" at the end of Harding. However I was told it was officially just "Harding". Any clarification?
MO USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 10:01:59
So, was it an A1E Skyraider at RI or the latter vieweed replacement Grumman A-6 Intruder?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 23:09:24
Sure did Richard 1962-64 Quonset Pt RI Now we're probably both in trouble for reminiscing about naval carrier aviation - bound to offend someone
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:56:29
"It's May,John's away.the loans hold sway" top that one Chowderman!
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:49:34
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cleo <>
ca, CA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:06:05
Ben H: Did you ever land or take off from the USS Intrepid, my former home for 2 years? 1965-1967
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 19:52:59
I remember the abandoned USCG station on the outer beach being a treasure trove for a 6 year old boy - I found a set of flash cards with photos of enemy aircraft and submarines. With my father being at sea on a destroyer escort for the entire war, I used my imagination as to how he was helping keep us safe from the U Boats.He later told me there were no heroics just constant seasickness. We weren't allowed to swim near the current that summer after Billy Cleary and a visiting friend got swept away by it - he knew enough not to panic and ended up OK but she fought it and was drowning when old Mr Johnson (definitely too old to be a lifeguard) watching from his lawn somehow got to her and dragged her ashore - they put her on a door and started trying to revive her when Doc Keene came roaring up the road to Ministers Point just in time to save her. I had a tremendous respect for rip tides and strong currents after watching that.
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 16:10:31
It's that time of year for me to be on-the-road for a few days so since I won't have Net access as much, y'all please be kind to each other and try to follow the rules while I'm not able to check in, ok? Thanks!
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:49:36
Most of my memories come from the end of Andrew Hardings Lane but when we ventured "across the current" it was good times. The shoreline view. Raked clams for the 1st time. Enjoyed finding remains of camp fires, thinking how much fun the "pirate cook-outs" must have been. :-)
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:32:01
Bill - I remember there was so much of it!! We'd clam there then go over and swim the Outer. I can't believe there was so much beach then and so little now. Those were the best of days. John - I was mistaken about the red chairs - still need to do some research on that. Maybe it was the Beach Club. . . .
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:00:19
Speaking of nostalgia and the outer beach, does anyone else remember the "Inner Beach"?
MO USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 09:57:50
I don't remember lifeguards at Lighthouse Beach. Sometimes there were waves. The Beach Club had a lifeguard. The outer beach was growing to the south.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 08:36:19
Wayne - I'll have to ask my friend and get back to you. Perhaps we were thinking of something else but we both remembered red lifeguard chairs. Go figure - thanks!
West Chatham , MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 16:12:26
Judy, Please be nice. It was not an "announcement". The announcement came with Judith's post that preceded mine. (Note her town designation.) Anyway, I hope that current topics will continue to be posted along with nostalgia.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 16:01:03
Judy, I grew up summers on Andrew Harding's the 50's and 60's and do not remember lifeguards at Lighthouse Beach.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 15:36:27
I'm sure Debbie. Now that we've exhausted politics and the aviation industry, can we please get back to the nostalgia? Maybe if folks are actually friends, your type of "announcement" would be best sent by email.

Who can answer this? I seem to remember years ago - in the 60's perhaps - there were lifeguards at the Lighthouse Beach. Does anyone remember if that was so? I asked my mother a long time ago and she didn't remember, but one of my friends said she vaguely remembered it as well. Does anyone recall that?

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:50:44
Just congratulating. Thought I was being nice. Oh well...
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:38:48
Reading your posts - sorry!!! Can't hear them from here. LOL
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:28:30
Judith - doesn't matter where you live - we enjoy reading your posts! Like Ben, and Mr. Ryder who lived here and no longer do. Not sure why Debbie felt the need to publicize that - probably to make sure we are all aware that you are no longer a citizen of Chatham. Nonetheless - I enjoy hearing your posts!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:26:35
It's aviation Judith made sense to Alan who understands the rewards of helping others learn the joys of flying - Does it apply to this room? A big no - simply points out the rambling philosophy from Alan
I am a nostalgia guy - hope we go back to that

Ben H
USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 13:09:08
Judith: Congratulations on your new home. I was very surprised to note the real estate transactions in the Chronicle.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 06:29:09
Alan: I very much appreciate your kind comments. Thank you.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 22:16:03
Ben H, I never met Judith Winters other than on this site, however my observations of Judith is that she thinks in a fashion of doing what's right and wishes to make a positive contribution to Chatham in any way possible. She serves as a beacon of light to the Chatham community as well as this site.
Judith follows a path pf principal!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 20:20:15
Judith: The references to aviation made sense to both Ben and Alan as both have connections to that field in various ways.

Ben H: Sorry but I believe that your comments re Judith are certainly within the definition of a personal attack which I don't allow here. And the comments re Alan and pharmaceuticals were also out of line. I do like to have you participating here but not when you're making comments about people directly like that. Not sure what's going on but some other recent postings have been borderline and I've tolerated it but may not be able to in future.

Alan: I don't believe that your initial post of this series was at all rambling as Ben H says, esp when compared to some prior ones. I think he owes you an apology.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 18:32:08
And that, ladies and gentlemen showed a complete lack of civility, courtesy or understanding of John's rules. The comment about Alan, "carrier landings", "100 night", etc. made no sense.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 16:34:01
Judith I don't know you but based upon your responses in this room I think you are a complete "priss" as in a prissy old schoolmarm or librarian - you wait in the weeds until you can criticize someone or something - always criticism never a positive thought or a thank you
Alan tried it liked it so much I ended up with thousands of hours 300 carrier landings 100 night taught more than a few along the way You are correct it is rewarding
That's the first post from you in here which I understood - keep it up

Ben H
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 16:17:44
Ben H:
I assure you Ben H., there is no hallucinating going on here, on the contrary, I worked on a volunteer basis for 15 years with with our local youth services and alliance committee to prevent what you are suggesting. Even more so, I took on the challenge of the most bullied and lost students in the community, working with the school and the local airport to established a first flight program. Something that could easily be done in Chatham, if there was not so much bickering taking place. Nothing like the first time experience of lifting a plane off the ground and seeing a young person have self worth. You may wish to try it sometime instead of your disrespectful nonsense.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 15:34:31
Judith, Tolerance for other points of view, and means of expression are good qualities in anyone.
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 15:21:41
The hill overlooked Stage Harbor from Champlain Road Town Landing. Go take a look. I went with either Frannie or Nancy.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 13:32:46
I found my thrill on Blueberry Hill
On Blueberry Hill when I found you
The moon stood still on Blueberry Hill
And lingered until my dreams came true
(The wind in the willow played
Love's sweet melody
But all of those vows we made
Were never to be)
Though we're apart, you're part of me still
For you were my thrill on Blueberry Hill
(I found my thrill)
Come climb the hill with me, baby
(on Blueberry Hill)
We'll see what we shall see
(on Blueberry Hill)
I'll bring my horn with me
(when I found you)
I'll be wit' you where berries are blue
(the moon stood still)
Each afternoon we'll go
(on Blueberry Hill)
Higher than the moon we'll go
(and lingered until)

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 13:27:45
Ben, your less than subtle inference re pharmaceuticals is uncalled for. Tolerance for other points of view, and means of expression are good qualities in ambassadors and people who contribute to this room. BTW, I don't think anyone has cornered the market on song lyrics.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 10:41:37
Alan I believe you mean well and wish to make a contribution to this room but unfortunately your submissions are rambling - almost as if you loaded up on "pharmaceuticals" and then tried to inspire us with your philosophy. Please find a point and stick to it so we can understand you. Yes Chatham needs ambassadors and Yes John Whelan has lived his life as a great ambassador for Chatham. Please leave the Louis Armstrong lyrics to the Chowderman with his version of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 10:24:47
Unfortunately, moving "forward" does not always mean "getting better"...just sayin'.
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 09:40:14
John Whelan is an excellent ambassador for Chatham. I note that he's moderating a Selectman Candidates' Forum this Thursday. Good luck John!
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 08:56:38
What Chatham needs is ambassadors. You can epitomize the idea of nostalgia. However, while you may wish you could experience it again, why can you not grasp and embrace, that you could contribute for living in a world that is better, than the one we came from.
And oh yes, politics is not the end all. While you may not influence 10,000 people in your life time, find 10 and share a positive experience.
"I see Trees of Green, Red Roses too. I think to myself, what a wonderful world.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 07:38:42
...and speaking of competitive politics, 10 more days! Hopefully those of us who live here aren't fed up!
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 18:59:48
Carl. "Outdoor" definitely didn't start in Chatham today. I was hoping to dance around the maypole, but it was not to be.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 18:24:27
Yea, I come on here for the nostalgia. . .as I live right outside of Washington, D.C., I am "fed up" will all politics!! :-)

I do imagine though that the local politics for positions on the Cape can get pretty competitive in their own right!

Mike Crosman <>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 17:10:10
Hooray! Hooray! It;s the first of May.
Outdoor ....... starts today.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 09:42:31
Thanks Bob. My posts are always respectful. Stay tuned.
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/30/2017 - 19:29:50
Don't run Debbie. I am one that follows most of the chat here and to a certain extent enjoy it. There's room for non-denigrating political chat.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/30/2017 - 16:35:55
Got it. So much for present Chatham. See above.
Chatham,, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 20:34:46
Nostalgia is how and why this site was founded.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 20:28:45
Ok, guess I need to defer to nostalgia. Over and out.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:34:32
Two whole days after your entry on the 27th , with no comments from anyone..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:32:43
Richard, Since it's so easy to see, I'd like to know why you think Chatham politics discussion tends to shut things down.
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:18:00
Easy to see how the Chatham politics topic tends to shut down much discussion.

Learned recently that Ross Gould was employed by Ruby (Bloomer) and Castell Kelley at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop in West Chatham, as I was. So, there must have been many others. Wasn't Betty Bearse there when I was there? Older employed women were Mary Baker and Gladys Nickerson, who folded and packaged finished laundry. This was back in the mid 50's. The place later became the Frog Pond.
Cas was the son of Joseph C. Kelley, the Keeper at Monomoy Point Station in 1902. I used to cut his widow Chestina's grass. Should have asked more questions of her.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 18:08:14
This is Article 38. The IMA doesn't require Town Meeting approval by State Law. So I guess the outcome must be non-binding.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 20:20:37
Totally agree. I have to say I am impressed with how the Harwich Selectman really went to bat for their people. Too bad Chatham's didn't and are only able to see dollar signs. Harwich stands to gain much more than Chatham ever will and as pointed out in the article - it never will end. Sad that so many folks don't see the writing on the wall. Town Meeting will decide - but one better hope that it is a BINDING vote.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:54:41
Guess we need to see how this plays out at Town Meeting. Meanwhile, I stand by my comments.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:47:50
Debbie - if you read Elaine's article carefully - you'll see it makes absolutely no sense to venture into that "muck". Just because one is an attorney doesn't mean they are necessarily correct. There is another attorney who posts here frequently and his judgement leaves little to be desired. I question the other individual who clearly can't even figure out what a conflict of interest is in relation to his own residence and his wife's business. Chatham, like the government, doesn't need to rush to everyone's rescue. Poor planning on their part doesn't mean we should be their rescuers. Let Hawich poney up their own money. Kind of like the school system - how's that working out? Too many conflicts. No more needed.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:35:31
The elaborate woodworks at the Eldredge Library , in the older section, is worth a trip. Like, what machine was used to make all these turned spindles that delineate the railings upstairs?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:11:28
Regarding the IMA, I have total confidence in the two accomplished Selectmen, one a lawyer and one with financial expertise, who diligently negotiated an compromised agreement with Harwich. How is it that Chatham benefits from foregoing payment of $6,750,000 from Harwich? IMHO, regional cooperation is critical if the Cape is ever going to solve its wastewater problem.
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:53:56
Got upstairs in the Eldredge Library Genealogy Section this afternoon, after not having been in that section since 1955 or so CHS students, like everyone else, were allowed in to the Library only at certain hours and certain days. And, no talking back then!
WOW! The collections they have for New England genealogical history is amazing! My wife found info that she was looking for, re SGT Harlow of Plymouth, and other more recent clues about her MA ancestors.
The Library is a gem!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:05:18
Very interesting "You Guest It" article in the Chronicle by Elaine Gibbs about the Harwich/Chatham proposed sewer deal. What a nightmare that could be.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:04:44
If you mix ginger ale and tomatoe juice then you should't drink vodka.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 13:35:47
Grandmother Reb Ryder had a lot of Nantucket sayings. Like, "I feel like a 9 with the tail cut off."
Or,"You deserve a leather medal". Or, "Don't act Polpisify." (Her family was living downtown, Polpis was farm country.)"Or, Come in, you're out." Or, "You can get used to anything if you live long enough." (She was a widow for 50 years.)
There are several pages of these.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 16:42:41
Another: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 10:53:37
How about, no matter what walk of life you come from, if you
1) do what's right
2) you do the best to your ability
3) That you genuinely care about others
This is what really matters!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 09:40:57
There's another saying: "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:44:57
As the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for."
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:38:10
The Chowderman is one smart guy.
john whelan < >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 21:54:18
What were those words? "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 20:05:49
The Chowderman never ran for anything because he was afraid he might get elected.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 00:37:36
I didn't get elected either. I'm at peace with it.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:48:34
When I ran for Selectman in Eastham, I only had three signs but I used to rotate them around the Town. Got 40% of the vote even though I was competing with an incumbent. Perhaps signs DO matter. Sort of glad I didn't get elected.
Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:43:13
Interesting array of lawn signs around town. Sixteen more days!
Chatham,, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 08:26:02
J.W. Dalton's book Life Savers of Cape Cod is a good profile of the 13 backside Life saving stations from Ptown to Monomoy Point and their Keepers and crews in 1902. A good in depth look at a select region of the service.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Sun 04/23/2017 - 09:33:25
Since there seems to be a lull in the action;
Keeper Daniel Cole of the Cahoon's Hollow Life-Saving Station (now known as the Beachcomber in the hinterlands of Wellfleet) went to sea when he was nine on a Grand Banks schooner.

The early Keepers of the Life-Saving Service were chosen from the ranks of such men who had spent a lot of time at sea. Many had been Captains of various vessels. Their official title was "Keeper", but to their crew they were always called "Captain".
Grandfather Richard E. Ryder, born in Chatham, was referred to as Captain Ryder after he became Officer in Charge of the USCG Monomoy Station in 1916. He had previously served at Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, the Monomoy Point LSS Station, at Gurnet LSS Station in Duxbury, and the floating Life-Saving Service Station at City Point in Dorchester. Who knew of a floating station? Actually, there were only two in the U.S. The other was in Louisville, KY.
C.B. Olson has some Life Saving History in his background, as do many others who visit this site.
Always looking to hear from other descendants of Life-Savers.

Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/22/2017 - 17:39:10
It was quite common for a young man of 18 back then to have risen in stature to be a Mate for a schooner. Some of the boys back then went to sea when they were nine! As cooks usually. Basically able to boil water.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 19:26:55
In 2011, before the new Mitchell River Bridge was completed, I prepared a history of the bridge from its original construction in 1871-1872 to 1982 when the fourth reconstruction of the bridge was completed. I provided the Chatham Historical Society with a copy of the history and would be pleased to email a copy to anyone who might be interested. I am reasonably confident that my sources for the history are accurate, but I would welcome any research or personal recollections that might show that any of my sources are incorrect.

Here is an excerpt from the history:

"In the Chatham Monitor of May 5, 1938, it was reported that Deputy Grand Master Harold Tuttle of the St. Martin's Masonic Lodge presented an appreciation medal to Zenas Hawes. In his presentation speech, Tuttle recalled the fact that Hawes was mate on the ship, Annie Belden, commanded by Captain Elnathan Mayo 'when the lumber for the first bridge across Mitchell's River was the cargo.' Because Hawes had not been born until 1853, it is unlikely he was a 5 year old mate in 1858 [the year some have claimed the bridge was originally constructed], but would have been about 18 years old in 1871 when the lumber was purchased for the bridge by Atwood and Edwards."

George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 17:12:21
Thanks much, Richard, for the pointer to the article about Manana. I'd like to track that down.

The old fog bell from Manana can be seen up on the hill at the Monhegan Light. It was replaced by a fog horn installation at some point. Here are a handful of photos I took of it in 2012:

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 07:26:40
As far as the history of fog bells and fog signals go on Manana Island, Me, the latest issue of Lighthouse Digest has what I would consider the definitive history of the subject . "The Roving Fog Bell of The Manana Island Fog Signal Station".
As much as I keep away from Facebook, suggest interested parties go to Maybe the article will show up there.
Mostly it was a Fog Bell, not much as a Fog Horn. It was called a Fog Signal Station. Who knew?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 18:06:32
I have photos of the pier being built in 1946, as well as the Town Meeting warrant article that funded the original pier. Please email me so I can send you the flicks.

Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 17:36:12
Hi all,

I am attempting to collect all the vintage photos I can of the Chatham Fish Pier in the 1950's and early 1960's. If anyone has any pictures that they are willing to share I would appreciate it!


Mike Crosman <>
College Park, MD USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 10:54:49
One thing that Coasties stationed near any type of foghorn would say, is that they would always pause while speaking in the interval of the blast out of habit. Sometimes they carried this trait ashore and would unknowingly pause every few seconds or minutes without realizing it, while talking to family or whomever.
Jared Fulcher <>
Orleans, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 17:24:07
I still spend half a year in my childhood home at the top of Andrew Harding's Lane and enjoy the rotating light. I always imagined the Stonehorse and Pollock Rip fog horns were talking to each other. I wonder how the Coast Guardsmen on those lightships preserved their hearing. The sound must have been brutal.
Lisa Edge
CHERRY HILL, NJ USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 16:55:46
I frequently go to Monhegan Island, ME. Off the coast of Monhegan is a small island called Manana that has a now-defunct Coast Guard foghorn station. The signs there warn something to the effect of "Warning: Automated Foghorn can sound at any time. Proceeding beyond this point can cause death."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:46:38
The back bedroom windows of our family home would catch the light as it cycled round and round. The hypnotic rhythm against the dark sky was both mysterious and calming. Fell asleep to it many times. Seeing how relatively small the Fresnel top is makes the reach and power of the light amazing. Would have loved to see the Twins but it was already one by my lifetime.
USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:13:27
I could not let the evening pass, without at least saying Joyous Happy Easter to all. Didn't hear too much about the early morning Easter Vigil today at Chatham Light. Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu ia.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 21:14:26
If you approach Stage Harbor from Nantucket Sound, the channel has you lined up with the Hardings Beach Light (fixed) and the Chatham Light (flashing). At least it was, last time I brought the CG36500 to Stage Harbor.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 18:03:37
This dialogue is very interesting . Glenn S. also knows there were 122,000 bricks delivered to Stage Harbor by schooner in 1877 for lining the new North and South Towers. The cast iron outside shell is conical, but the interior brickwork is cylindrical and the two parts meet just near the lantern room. The Nauset Light, formerly the North Tower at Chatham, is not physically attached to the cement pad which was poured in 1923 just prior to the move. No bolts! Just an estimated 90 tons. The wind doesn't seem to affect the round Nauset Light very much. Wonder what the building code would require today, 94 years later?
Hardings Beach Light is of similar construction.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 17:03:58
Don't forget that when the lighthouses and windmills were built in Chatham, they were naviagational aids for both the Atlantic Ocean and Nantucket Sound, due to the fact there were so few trees.
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 15:28:07
One of the main reasons the lighthouse windows were blackened on the on west and southwest side was to prevent boat captains in Nantucket Sound from seeing the beacon and getting confused.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 14:28:41
Thanks to all who shared memories about the foghorn and lighthouse beam. I remember as a little child standing right against the lighthouse at Portland Head one time when the foghorn started. Something not to be forgotten - scared the daylights out of me! Would anyone have an idea of when they painted some of the window panes black at the lighthouse? Wonder if there had been some complaints about it shining onto Main Street by those who unfortunately, didn't appreciate it as much as you all did.
Jennifer <>
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 13:01:59
Nobska Light in Woods Hole still has a foghorn. It used to be on the shoreward side of the road and was aimed across the road. Big surprise for motorists passing by at the right time. Now it is across the road and no longer causes drivers to lose control of their autos.
Falmouth, USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:45:57
The late "Park" Hammatt was also assigned to the Barateria. In the mid-sixties, I think. Park was also one of the Orleans based Sea Scouts that made national headlines when the troop, led by "Mon" Cochrane, rowed two repurposed CG pulling boats from Monomoy to Nantucket in the fifties.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:25:25
No Richard, I was on a Weather Cutter, the Barataria out of Portland Maine.
Barry Fulcher <>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 18:41:44
There might be another town in the US that had the pleasure of hearing two lightship foghorns some nights, but I don't know where they might be. Amazing that so many people we meet at Old Harbor Station in the summer have no clue about the existence of lightships.
Some Coast Guardsmen say duty on the lightships was brutal, others loved it. Barry Fulcher., weren't you on one?
No record of a fog horn at Chatham Light, (not needed due to the lightships) but I think there was one at Highland Light in Truro and a steam powered whistle at Race Point Light.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 17:42:11
My young sons shared a bunk room in a house on Little Beach. They would count the rotations of beams of light coming from the light house instead of counting sheep. A special memory.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 12:30:36
For me, growing up at the end of Andrew Harding Lane, it was the cadence of the light house shining through my west bedroom windows that put me to sleep. And, weather permitting, the crashing of the waves on North Beach coming in through my east bedroom windows. The two together were awesome, and somehow in sync at times!
Bill N.
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 09:00:00
Danny, with you it was wheels; with Mark it's wings. I hope he is well. Please tell him I said hello.
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 08:43:20
You may be right, Barry. If it didn't have wheels on it I didn'F pay too much attention.
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 21:29:32
Richard, the album of Ruby and Harvey would be very interesting to my wife Marie, as she worked for Ruby and Cass at the cleaning shop. She remained very close to Ruby and found her when she died. A good place to share them with those of us that remember them would be on Facebook under If you grew up in Chatham, do you remember.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 20:38:05
As I slept on the attic floor mattress, with my ear to the East window, after working all day in a downtown shop, and waitressing at the Queen Anne Inn for dinner guests, the foghorn was my favorite friend. ( No guest picnics to pack at 6am). Would not trade the 50s and 60s for a million.
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 15:57:27
Judy, I grew up on School Street during my early years and hearing the fog horn at night from the lightship would lull me to sleep at night. I still love fog and still miss the fog horn.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:39:06
Dan. I think that you, might, have heard the Nantucket lightship if the wind was from the Southeast,but the horns you probably heard were from the Pollock Rip or Stone Horse lightships,maybe the Cross Rip,as they were much closer to Chatham.
Barry Fulcher <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:31:16
"Centimeter" John AKA Highpockets...had two at our house - good times! I still remember the birthday cake you brought to Doane Road gathering.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:05:31
Danny- yes - that's it thanks!!!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 09:05:09
I believe it was the Nantucket Lightship
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:49:49
Hi Jennifer - Yes, I believe it was on the Lightship - not the Lighthouse. I would imagine others on this room used to hear it as well. Perhaps Mr. Ryder can add more to this. I "believe" this was when it was located way out in front of the Lighthouse. . . I was perhaps 6-8 at the time? Not sure - so long ago.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:39:30
Judy P. - I had a question about your mentioning a fog horn. Was that on the lightship? I hadn't heard about there ever being a fog horn on the lighthouse and was curious. Thanks!
Jennifer <>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:28:26
Ben H: I was at the Chat-M-Room meetups that we had but I was NOT the organizer. That was done by our various hosts using the site. I believe we had at least three of them, or was it four or more? Based on photos and memory, I recall being at the Olson's, Edge's, Chapman's, Pratt's and was there one at D Nickerson's?
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 03:57:03
I agree with Judith,Debbie,and George - Dick politics are indeed dangerous topic local or national but any topic should be OK if we avoid the personal sniping and cheap shots - I apologize if I crossed these lines or offended anyone - Think it's great that Richard, Carl (Bobo Olson middleweight boxing champ aka Chowderman)and others from that era are planning a 60th class reunion - I hope that same Chatham spirit will be picked up by John Hallgren who did such a great job organizing our original reunion so that he might consider promoting another reunion at the end of the summer - I remember having a great time with the Pattersons and Donnie Nick with his John Deere hat at that pot luck gathering but they are no longer with us - Must have been at least 20 of us John used to have photos - Time to meet and get to know Judith and others face to face - Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 21:38:43
I agree with both Debbie and Judith. Many of us did not have the "growing up" experience in Chatham that many of you did, but that does not mean our interest in Chatham is any less (even if we don't vote here).
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 20:11:30
Richard - I remember my mom telling us stories of her grandfather who was a Lighthouse Keeper. I wish I had paid more attention. I remember one story she told me that when he was on the "Lightship" and my grandfather was a small boy he missed him so much he rowed out to see him. I remember being very small in bed at night listening to the fog horn and being scared. Wow - what memories you brought back - thank you!
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:29:45
Debbie, I agree with you. The boss (John) has always made it clear that local politics is a welcome topic, but not national elections. Only a few people broke that rule. It shouldn't be up to one or two people to dictate what sort of discussion ensues. I find it is the people who live and vote here, who are most interested in our current and future issues. Those who once lived here seem to want the room to be about the past. It can be both as long as John approves.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:15:57
Maybe it is time to relate nicknames? Mine was Rinky Dink, based on nothing. (Thanks, John Pratt.)
Verne Hunt was Digger. (His Dad was the undertaker) .Carl was Bobo. Diane M. was Patia. John Chanberlain was Chamby..
I challenge others to step up. From other classes too!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:09:45
By the way, those of us who graduated with Carl know his middle name started with a B after his Dad, not H.. Like CBO. How could he have had a nickname like "Bobo" otherwise?
Many of the West Chatham folks certainly are closely related to the Hardings. Noted ship captains and Lighthouse Keepers, they were.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:47:32
Form vs from? I know the difference. Josephine Crowell would perhaps given me a B+.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:35:29
In the interest in pursuing a change in the current thread,
I have a photo album (that John Whelan has seen) that has photos taken in the 1918 era of Chatham places but a lot of Chatham people are in there as well. Like, pictures of Ruby Bloomer and Harvey Bloomer at very early ages.
Since neither of them had any children, who might be interested in the snapshots?
You might notice the Cape Cod Five Calendar for this year recently had a photo of the Stage Harbor pier, elevated by accumulating ice.. That photo was taken form this photo album I speak of.
Next stop for the album? Chatham Historical Society.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:29:18
Politics does not belong in this chat room. You talk about a mess, that is what you will get if you let politics take over this room. You want to talk politics, go on Facebook.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 16:59:02
"Divided mess"? The room that "we"want? Who gualifies as a "we"? Silly me....I thought this venue was open to all. Also that the rules allow for comments on current political topics. What am I missing?
Chatham,, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 12:45:44
Nancy nailed it - that's the room we want and had - We just weighed in with memories and stories from the old days - even had a Chatmroom reunion hosted by Jean and Gordon then later one hosted by Carl and Carol - would be so much fun to point in that direction again for early September but all the politics and squabbling seem to undermine that possibility some in here actually don't like or respect one another - Dick you may be glad to see John has complete control as it should be but until he brings us all together with something along the lines of a reunion or get together, I say it's a divided mess with finger pointing, politics, and rules
Ben H
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 21:55:33
John, glad to see you have complete control of this chat room as it should be.
Don't let some on this site grind you down. If they do not like how you run this forum, don't participate. Simple.

Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:29:34
Sorry, but I am so over this debacle. Whatever happened to our old Chat-M-Room? You know.....the one with interesting information about our beautiful town and the "kind" people in it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:15:45
Judith: Sorry but that 'simple solution' hasn't yet been accomplished by sites with massive resources, like Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Google, etc. so for me to try to do so would be impossible, and would destroy one of the core principles upon which this site was created which was that virtually anyone was free to make comments here, subject to a few rules on decency and those to block spam.

And maybe you can point me to some specific entries by those two names that have caused you to label them 'trouble-makers' because I don't recall any right now which are any worse/different than content found in Chronicle Letters. That type of content is one of the factors in my evaluation of any post. And had those same posts been made by someone who people know, would you say the same thing?

If you or others see something you believe is inaccurate or false, you/others are free to challenge it but remember in some cases, people of opposing views have different perceptions of the exact same data, which doesn't make one view true and the other false.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 17:47:53
Judith maybe next go around you should run for selectman to help change this "corrupt" town YOU live in. I do not understand you or your views but respect them. Now get out and walk the beaches, stroll Main St., hike the trails and enjoy all Chatham has to offer. Oh and yes vote for Davis!!
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 16:10:16
Amy, some of us just want fairness. When I came to Chatham many years ago, I saw only the beauty around us, and I was thrilled to live here. As I became better educated about the business of the town, government, politics, special interest groups, and challenges, it was obvious there are issues here (perhaps like many other towns) that are not beautiful and deserve attention. This is a place where citizens can do that, hopefully responsibly. Best not to hide our heads in the sand, although many choose to do so.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 15:54:20
It amazes me that some of those who post are so concerned with the name associated with the post. I like reading the content of the posts. There are two candidates and supporters for each. Let's try to respect one another whether you know or think you know who is posting. Let's get out of ourselves for a bit and look's a big world out there with weighty issues...aliases used in a chat room in a small town are pretty small potatoes. And smile...many of us actually get to live in this beautiful place called Chatham.
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 14:37:00
Sorry John, but I think you've been "played". The simple solution to this problem is to no longer permit assumed names, aliases, pretenders and people who do not wish to be accountable to contribute to this site. It's too easy for those people to promote inaccuracies, false charges and get away with it, unless someone in this room knows better and challenges them. "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton" (in his dreams!) have been trouble-makers. This is your site, but I think you have responsibilities along with ownership. If someone is so worried about retribution that he uses an alias or assumed name and blocked phone number in order to protect his employment or business, perhaps refraining from comments in this room would be wise.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 12:44:57
Let me try once again to clarify my feelings when it comes to signatures here:
1) As long as a signature cannot be confused with another existing poster, it's generally fine. The 'name' Steve/n Harding was unique and had not been used before here, and AFAIK, neither has Harding been used as a last name but only as a maiden/middle name.
2) While Harding is a name that has special value to some users here, and I understand that, it's not a surname that doesn't exist outside of Chatham and thus can be used by other posters, even if it's not their actual name. Same goes for Nickerson or Eldredge and many others.
3) I have NO means to verify if a name is real or not and thus allow names which could be real if user is from another city/state. Alan Wirsul is an example, as many thought it was a fake name but it's a real name for a real person who happens to live off-Cape.
4) I resent the 'stupid liberal interpretations which you call rules' statement as many others here have no issues with my rules, which are, I think, clearly defined and implemented. And by the nature of the office, BOS and candidates for it are allowed to be criticized a bit more than others. I attempt to show no favoritism in my Moderator posts/actions to BOS related posts.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 11:47:28
Ben -- thank you for the kind comments about my Mom. She never would have used the vile comments directed at Mr. Taylor as the fake Mr. Harding did. In fact, my mother was a strong supporter of Seth Taylor . There is no doubt in my mind she would support Mr. Taylor in this upcoming election and not be swayed by developers as the other candidate has been.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:31:24
Bill M Chronicle 4/6/17 at p. 5.
George Myers <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:18:15
I wonder who Carl Harding Olson agrees with.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:11:24
Hey Jennifer - great thought and attitude but "see John in charge, see John deal with it" - this Harding psedonymn blocked number charade gets worse by the day - from my perspective room moderator John is allowing Mr Blocked Number and maybe others to hide behind and discredit a great respected Chatham name - Jane Harding Patterson was a force in here for many years and wrote a book about that Harding girl growing up in Chatham - C'mon John, you're a good man at heart, get over these stupid literal interpretations which you call rules and pledge to all of us that every Harding we see in here from now on is a "real genuine Harding" - we could care less about your private conversations and blocked numbers - we all just want to know that the name is real or if you must allow aliases, please don't let the poster use someone else's real name - I think Jane is shaking her finger at you right now! /s/ Benjamin Harding Hallowell Jr
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/11/2017 - 20:18:51
Yes, Judith, a blocked nbr...because it seems someone feels that they may possibly suffer some form of negative financial impact and/or other retributions if their identity as related to these comments is known. I have heard of that happening in town before so I am willing to try and accommodate users like that. If you wish to not do so, that's fine but others should realize that this person might even be someone everyone knows based on their desire to remain private, as the more known a person is, the greater potential for harm exists.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 23:11:47
OMG John! A blocked number! Someone's really paranoid. Maybe a Russian spy. I give up. You will do what you will do.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 22:06:01
Judith: I had a phone call from a blocked nbr yesterday and the person said "I am the one posting as Steve Harding". We talked for about 7+ minutes about the problem those posts were causing and what solution to it could be achieved behind the scenes to prevent any future impostors of that signature.

I do NOT know who the person was before call and still do NOT, ok? However, the caller DID state they were recently responsible for the pro-Shareen post (and the first impostor notification) and NOT the followup pro-Seth ones. Caller also stated that no one else authorized had used that signature in the last year that it has been seen here.
As to my own views: I attempt to do my best to remain neutral in cases like this because I don't believe it's good for the site for me to take sides. However, I do favor posts which provide positive reasons for any particular candidate instead of those which attack the opposition or worse, attack the poster themselves.
Finally, I do NOT consider a person who feels the need to protect their true identity here for business, employment, personal or other reasons to be an impostor. That term only applies to someone who fraudulently uses another users signature.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:19:27
Please, enough about Steve Harding! John is in charge, he's handling it.
So as our granddaughters say, "Let it Go"!

Jennifer <>
USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:02:16
John: Let me understand. A "Steve Harding" supports Shareen, and you happen to know who that person really is. And another "Steve Harding" should be ignored? You have personally told me you don't know who "Steve Harding" is. If you support Shareen, just say so. If you think you now know who "Steve Harding" is, it may not mean anything to you if that person is not a voter, but it may be significant to others when a imposter supports a candidate. Just sayin'.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 20:04:36
Judith: I have stated before that unless you/others have some proof that you can share with me that multiple people are using that signature (other than the two definite impostor posts when that subject was used), that I would kindly request you refrain from making accusations like that. Just because a signature doesn't match voter rolls doesn't mean anything to me in terms of being a site user, as it's open to anyone with an interest in Chatham.
Now I do know that the person using that signature (it's NOT a moniker because it uses typical/valid first/last names) is a supporter of Shareen Davis so any posts contrary to that from that signature should be ignored.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:47:17
Interesting as there is no Steve Harding living and voting in Chatham and yet the charade continues by more than one person using that moniker. Take comments under advisement as he or she is an imposter.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:34:00
I attended a meet an greet for a Shareen Davis and she was very well received. Good group, all ages, working, retired, fishing community, merchants. She listens to people, doesn't lecture them. Wants to hear issues and doesn't have preconceived answers.
The discourse in Chatham will change for the better when she is elected.

Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:18:09
Bill M. I agree, and could't find any info on the town site. I think there was some coverage in last week's Chronicle, and maybe more this week. Meanwhile, I suggest you phone the Town Manager to suggest the trip was newsworthy. She was in DC too.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:02:03
I heard that Seth Taylor went to Washington DC last week and gave testimony to Congress to defend Chatham's rights on Monomoy and Nantucket Sound. I looked on the Town website but there is no trace of it anywhere that I could find. I thought that it would be pretty important to read something like this on the front page of the town's site. Does anyone know about this?
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 15:54:05
Richard I sent a picture of the only 2-wheel wheel chair to your comcast address. Hope you get it.
Barry Fulcher <>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 13:59:42
I'll leave that one alone, John. I guess we have to pass it, to see how long it takes.
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 21:33:03
Can anyone show me a link to a picture of a two wheeled wheelchair, and where to buy it? The only thing I came up with is a spinoff of the Segway. Is that what you folks are referring to? Inquiring minds want to know.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 17:36:38
Speaking of LTE in Chronicle, I am not sure what math is used by one letter writer who claims the West Chatham roadway project will take 5 or 7 seasons..yet only span a two year period. The majority of people I know refer to a season on the Cape as the Memorial Day to Labor Day period or similar, so you could only have two seasons in two years. Winter/Spring/Summer/Fall may be seasons for clothing and such but not for Cape business from what I know so counting by them is just another way of trying to make it sound worse than it is.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 10:48:22
Jared's letter in the Chronicle hit the nail on the head. Good work!
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:53:10
Another letter this coming week by Todd Kelley. Todd and Jared have deep roots in Chatham and are both very distressed over what has become of the town....
Carol Kelley
USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:14:30
Excellent letter in this week's Chronicle by Jared Fulcher! Please take time to read if you haven't already done so.
USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 20:49:30
So I go out for dinner and this site gets weird...and given the open nature of how it works, since user registration is a complex coding problem beyond my skills/abilities and time, plus as I'm not wanting to move it to platform which supports that because it would ruin the 'small town' feel that it has always had, this 'Steve Harding' signature has become a real problem!
So - whomever has been using that signature MUST contact me by email or phone to provide me with contact info by midnight Friday 04/07/17 if they want their posts to remain on this site as they currently exist.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 04:01:19
Aha! Dan Meservey. Art thou a Danny Kaye fan?
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:41:29
The Vessel from the Pessel has the Pellet with the poison. The Challis from Palice has the Brew that is true
Daniel Meservey <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:28:59
There are a few people here who are going to wreck a very good thing
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:02:26
John, in an attempt to be fair and balanced I wrote the below post. I chose to speak positively about both Davis and Taylor. I agree with my impersonator that the site is becoming a challenge but disagree that he is me.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:25:11
Wow! Someone impersonating an impersonator- how very odd!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:21:36
Well John, it's getting pretty strange on the chat room. The previous post supposedly written by Steve Harding praising Mr. Taylor was not written by me. I feel the complete opposite of what that "fake' post says. I chose only to speak positively about Shareen Davis for which I appreciate yours and others comments. I do however disavow the post made today at 16:32:30 by someone impersonating me. Your efforts to keep your site on the up and up must be very challenging.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:13:18
Thanks for your support John. Posts have been pretty harsh about Selectman Taylor in the past but in fairness, and to be positive, obviously many people are also very happy to see that Selectman Taylor is running for re-election and when it comes down to it, a lot of people will be voting for him, that's for certain. He has shown a solid commitment to the voters and taxpayers of Chatham. In reviewing his records, Taylor does attend every Selectman's meeting prepared to discuss the issues and do the peoples business and he fights for the best interests of Chatham's citizens. Taylor puts a lot of time into the critical subjects that come before Chatham's BOS and last week's Chronicle letter that said: "Taylor Grasps Complex Issues" is accurate. Taylor has also probably been one of the most fair, open and transparent Selectmen that Chatham has had in recent memory- so that can't taken away from him. Chatham residents like him because he is honest and has integrity. Taylor cannot be corrupted, bought, or manipulated and nobody owns him. So it will be an interesting race. Honesty counts and while Taylor might talk too much and make some verbal gaffes at times, he is as honest as they come. Taylor is an excellent choice for Chatham voters as well.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 16:32:30
We always use this service during our bi-coastal trips. Dick in the chair with Lucy (the cat) on his lap. I have the carry-ons and often have to run like the wind in either Dallas or Phoenix. Once, the wheelchair guy actually rebooked a bunch of us in Dallas after storms caused massive cancellations. Talk about a BIG tip!
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 10:31:16
Not the ones I ride in Rich. Maybe back in the day.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:49:39
All the wheel chairs I have commanded have always had two large wheels and two smaller ones.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:29:33
I could not agree more, Carl, and I always use one at the airports. Those who push me are always well taken care of by me as they do work extremely hard and deserve to be rewarded. So happy you are using the 2-wheeled chair, as well.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:58:31
Nancy is correct - a wheel chair. I use one when traveling by air, going to the doctor in Boston, and other occasions. I could not give enough positive comments to those who are so kind, thoughtful, and generous to me when I need help. My tipping jar has taken quite a hit over the past few years but they more than deserve whatever they receive.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:05:05
Carl, A wheel chair!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:35:12
Thanks, friends, for your pointers.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:08:31
April 3, 2017
Please be advised that Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has ordered that the United States flag and the Commonwealth flag be lowered to half-staff at all state buildings effective immediately, today April 3, 2017 until the day of interment in honor of Massachusetts State Senator Kenneth J. Donnelly, Fourth Middlesex district, of Arlington, MA who passed away on April 2, 2017. Additional details surrounding the date of interment will be provided once received by the Governor's Office.

Cynthia Moore <>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 11:02:31
Carl: A bicycle?
We need to start planning for our CHS 60th HS reunion. Ross Gould and I will be working here on my tractor carburetor tomorrow morning, so maybe we'll come up with some ideas.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 10:49:28
Bob, I saw it as a post on the news site That's all I know.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:34:59
BobR: I saw the flag info via a Facebook post by the Yarmouth PD so not sure if there's a state web site that may publish those notices or how that works.
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:21:18
Thanks Wayne, but I really would like to know where to find the information online. Anyone know the secret? I tried the town website - nada!
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:12:35
BobR, the Governor had the flags lowered for a state senator that died suddenly.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:04:31
Great drone video of the new break shot by Chris Seufert. Take a look at it, he knows what he is doing!!!!

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:35:35
How does one learn for whom the rotary flag flies at half-mast?
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:18:07
Ben H - Got a hot rod Ford and a two dollar bill; try my best to get Fran to Blueberry Hill. The soda pop and the dancing is free, so if you if you want a good time then leave Sad Sacks with me.

Today's pop quiz - what do you call a chair with two wheels?

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 02:14:43
Wayne and Bill M - After much frustration, I have grown to think of John as the "Great Uncle" who. whether we like it or not, hosts the Chatham family reunion. He has his own rules and is rightly criticized for selective and overly literal enforcement but it's John's reunion - he tells us where to sit, he chooses the menu. he even tells us what is permitted discussion at the dinner table. Why do we put up with this? Because, like it or not, we want to attend the reunion and catch up with one another. We all have news and memories we want to share - in order to do that, we have to put up with literal rules and interpretations which only John's mind can fathom - some long timers like Bruce in Alaska simply say enough and announce they are leaving - the rest of us hang around hoping for less politics/squabbles and more quizzes from Chowderman or at least his memories of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 20:47:26
Bill M. I disagree! I think John does a great job. I think what you and many others do not understand this is not a public open forum, it is John's website. If you do not like the way he runs it go somewhere else or start your own. That has been tried but has not worked well. Everyone always comes back to John's.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:36:43
Judith: I have always tried my best to be 'fair and balanced' when it comes to which political related comments are ok and which are not. The key distinction that some don't seem to understand but which matters to me is: Is the comment directed at the poster or the issue/candidate? The latter is generally acceptable but the former, usually not. So it's normally not the point of view that might cause an issue but how the poster expresses it.

Bill M: Yes, I will fully admit to having slightly different rules but I have fully disclosed that previously. Because what gets a poster more flexibility and latitude is my greater ability to contact them outside of this site. If I have a phone nbr and email addr and know them in person, like a number of folks here, I'm more lenient since I can discuss any issue with the post with them. But if I have no way to contact a poster and don't know them, I'm more strict. My long time users are fine with this policy, I believe.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:22:33
John, Unfortunately you have different rules for different people. Your enforcement is selective.
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:44:14
John I think you have misunderstood my comment. In NO way have I criticized positive comments. But, there should be balance, and not condemnation of someone who has an opposing point of view. That's what free speech is all about, not censoring points of view you might not agree with.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:14:03
Judith, while you continue to remain suspicious, I would suggest you post something positive about the person YOU would support for selectmen. I agree with Steven and Carl and look forward to the upcoming town election.

Once again, thank you John for continuing to volunteer your time and efforts on this site.

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 14:30:00
Judith: I was simply saying that positive comments about either candidate are preferable over negative comments about the candidate whom that person opposes. And I find no reason why anyone who makes a strictly complimentary post should be criticized, ok? The comments themselves are basically open to being discussed but not the ability of the poster to make them, even if that poster remains unknown (even to me).

I also disagree with your contention that multiple people have used the "Steve Harding" signature unless you have reasonable proof of that occurring but the limited data I have as to identity shows that it appears to come from the same person. If you/anyone wants to ignore those posts, that's your choice but I'm not going to limit them when they (thus far) follow the minimum rules I have here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 13:36:06
John H: The elections in Chatham are very important to the people who live and vote here. I'm concerned that you seem to wish only complimentary or supportive comments regarding candidates. That's not been the policy in the past, and I hope you haven't decided to change the policy. There is factual information available at town offices regarding the names of some of the supporters of candidates. That information can be illuminating. I suspect (not sure) that's where Judy P. got her information. I think it's relevant as people make their decision about who will best represent the people of the town.

It's quite clear that more than one person has assumed the name "Steve Harding". Since there is not a registered voter in Chatham by that name, I don't think the comments deserve much attention in MHO.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 11:08:32
I'm on Carl's side on this. A strictly positive comment re any candidate without any negative attacks is the type of political post that should be the ones here ideally if there are going to be some. While Steve Harding may not be posters actual name, it meets my criteria for a non-moniker signature and has been used enough times to establish a pattern, so this person certainly has the right to post something like that.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 09:30:29
Flew over the new brake yesterday with my brother Norm at low tide and saw the CBI boat going threw it. This break is now established. Its over 100 ft. wide.
Don St. Pierre <>
N Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 08:17:44
Steve Harding - I though that was a nice and well written endorsement of Sharee Davis, whom I will vote for, and, I assume, JudyP will not.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <>
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 03:26:15
"Steve Harding" - knock off the polictics- please - we don't care to hear your thoughts on Shareen - who has succumbed to developers $$$ and their backing
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 22:41:10
Very happy that Shareen Davis is running for Selectman. She is qualified in so many ways. A local, a person who has lived her whole life in Chatham, raised her family here, made her living here, volunteered her time here. She is a person who truly understands the challenges of making a living in such a seasonal economy but understands the benefits of making it work. She will properly represent the diverse interests of those that choose to live here, work here, summer here or visit here.and she will do it by bringing people together. Excellent choice for Chatham voters.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 19:07:29
Stay tuned for the latest developments on this wandering, fairly substantial, buoy. Thanks Bob and Dick for your learned inputs.
The rock outcrop (awash most times) this buoy represents is not a nice place to hit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:30:13
I am flashing white in an occult fashion.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:06:05
Coast Guard helicopter checked it out several times while I was quahoging and then left.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 17:45:53
Is it still flashing red every 4 seconds?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:42:09
USCG Notice to Mariners last month listed that buoy as OFF STA (station) . Certainly is now. Wonder how they will retrieve it? Need to get a line to it, then pull it off the beach and hoisted on to a buoy tender I'd guess.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:32:41
The bouy is from old man ledge, Muscongus, Maine.
Dick Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 07:15:13
It was hard to tell which buoy it was through the haze yesterday. CG was watching it and they too thought it was the C buoy. Wonder where it came from?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 16:29:37
C-buoy still in place. A very large buoy is ashore about a mile southwest or so of the C-buoy location, at the high water mark. Best place to view this stuff would be the boardwalk northeast of the weather station.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 15:45:14
Emily, There are lots of photos and videos. You just have to know where to look.Go to these pages, Chatham Southway,Chatham Three Breaks, and Chatham News and Cool Photos. Also try Jimmie Fallon and Randy Saul. Randy went through it in his boat this morning and got video and Jimmie walked down and also got video.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:26:40
I wish some would post a photo on Facebook!
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:14:58
The site of the former tombolo is confusing as of this morning at 10:15. It's difficult to tell what will remain of the inlet and a way to get to south beach, if at all possible. Lots swirling water everywhere. Hasn't discouraged the seals tho. One small sandbar giving them a place to congregate. It also looks like there will be other areas of south beach where the ocean will break through sooner rather than later.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 11:45:09
Just returned from the "Lights". It has broken through inside where the pond used to be, Washing right through there so as to prevent anyone from getting to South Beach, at least at high tide. We watched the
"C" Buoy depart it's mooring and head South around 4 PM.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:19:51
South Beach is having a major wash over where it joins the Tombolo. The one on 3/23 was just a wash over but this one looks much worse. It could be a breach.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:15:34
I heard the old "Hook Fishermen's" group leader in a radio interview last week say " There are currently more than one hundred active boats fishing out of Aunt Lydia's Cove." The only boat in sight of the Chatham Municipal Pier has not been off its mooring in years. Someone has lost touch with reality. The bar, however, is as bad as it gets. You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the know the rest.
BobR <>
CH, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:34:49
Yes! They are operating out of either Saquatucket or Wychmere in Harwich, or Stage Harbor in Chatham. After today's no'theaster with 50 mph NE winds, and 20 foot seas there may be a big change in the entrance(s). Recently, there was a reported 2 feet of water at low tide at the bar. For reference, the CG36500 draws 3 1/2 feet. However, she has a 2000 lb bronze keel so hitting bottom does no damage as long as she can keep moving.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:32:46
Where have all the fishing vessels gone from Aunt Lydia's Cove? Is crossing the bar gotten THAT bad?
Emily <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 10:58:32
Better than a dull line

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