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Both Pattersons rock! Jane would be proud of you. On this Memorial Day eve. as a 24 year veteran, I would like to remember and salute all veterans but particularly my fallen comrades who gave their lives defending our freedoms not the least being the freedom Alan enjoys to come into this room with his provocative opinions on practically everything seemingly just to "stir the pot". We gave you that freedom Alan and others have now taken up the cause to keep it for you, all we can ask is that you not abuse it by continuing to offend so many good Chatham people.On the other hand, I recognize it is your right to do so. Please everyone in Chatham stay well and have a safe Memorial Day holiday with your families.
Ben H
Coronado, USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 20:28:20
I am shocked to see the parade of people going by my little house on Queen Anne Rd. It looks like the 4th of July weekend of the past, but with an attitude. No masks, no 6 foot distancing, walking in the road with their backs to traffic, speeding, passing bicycles, enjoying getting away from NY, NJ, CT etc., but what are they leaving behind? Empty grocery shelves, virus and droplets every where they go, and a very sad attitude of disrespect and lack of courtesy. I pray our merchants can survive but I fear we have seen the world change dramatically into an ONLINE ORDER ONLY culture, which ultimately will kill us, maybe more than what a tourist destination will.
Emily <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 17:01:20
A Chatham native, I now live n San Diego and we are doing well here keeping the cases down. Masks are required to enter any establishment, without one you are turned away. Restaurants are beginning to open with adjusted seating so people are six feet apart and you keep the mask on except for eating. You do have a unique situation in Chatham with so many people from other areas moving in and I guess they think they are safe there, wrong thinking. The people who don't want to wear masks are being very selfish, your mask protects me, my mask protects you. That may be a motto for many months to come. So please quit complaining about having to wear a mask, keep your friends healthy and if you feel safer staying home please do.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 11:52:09
Let's talk about Chatham I jjust heard the Chatham BOS is considering holding the annual town meeting in Veterans Field in Aug- the majority of voters are elderly who would not come out on a hot August afternoon
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 10:54:56
Judy
I do not know, for the life of me, how John has been brought into this. And you are right Judy, I do not come from Chatham, but that does not make me out to be a bad guy, just because I do not come from Chatham. Believe it or not, I am on your side most of the time and I read your posts carefully. If there has been anyone on this site who has been attacked routinely, it has been myself and your very last post is not exactly what one would call pretty.

It's just not in my make up to hear people being told to stay home.

My guess is that Peter is a very hard working guy, maybe even a fisherman, who I would be proud to introduce my grandson to, if that were the case. If only to show him, how hard one works to make a living and now in these difficult times.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 09:33:32
Alan - I know Peter and since John only seems to chastise the woman on here I'll say something. You're comments are rude. There is no reason to attack him. You aren't even from Chatham but seem to think it gives you the right to spout off . I find the fact that you dare even bother to question his patriotism out of line . It's obvious many folks have varying ideas of what is allowed and what is not with this virus. One thing for sure - we all have our own opinions and it's not anyone's place to tell the other they're wrong. Please stop with your condescending, out of line comments. Maybe you could start your own Chatroom in Harwich?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 07:30:30
Mr. Taylor
"If you are in that group, stay home." Why is that? Sounds to me like you did not wish to inconvenience yourself. I would think of all people, you would understand that one should do the right thing, even when no one is looking-the sign of just a good soldier. Was just wondering, who giving you the authority to tell people to stay home, 82 years old or otherwise.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 05:47:01
Mr. Alan Wirsul
Please don't lecture me on my patriotism or commitment to this country. I served in the Army, my father served in the army and my daughter-in law , an Air force Captain and nurse , just returned from being deployed to a hospital in Queens. My point was simple. Take precautions for yourself and family. We follow the guidelines as best as we can. However ,there is a point where the end does not justify the means.

Peter W. Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/24/2020 - 00:19:39
Mr. Peter W Taylor
It makes no difference to me where from where you come, Attorney, Dr., Medical, Business, I find it unfathomable to see a post like this on the weekend we are in. No matter whether you are referencing Covid 19 or otherwise.

First: you are able to walk down the street because there are many in the Armed Forces who gave their lives for you to do so.

Second: You you speak of this Media Driven hysteria and "82 year olds." You should take a look around, many of these 82 year folks and olders, played a part in WW II and Wars folowing. We have yet to see the vets who are coming along in still yet another wave who are disabled or will become disabled and will have a difficult time in the future. Why, so you could take that walk down the street.

There are so many who are attempting to prevent the virus and you speak as if You Do Not Care. Today Kareem Abdul-Jabbar recognized a basketball team who played with the thought of WE BEFORE ME. I think you could use a T-Shirt Like That.

Stars and Stripes Forever

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 21:55:51
It's hard to know where to start. We CAN go for a walk as long we can socially distance and not wear a mask. The average age of death in Ma. is 82. Most of those people have preexisting conditions. If you are in that group stay at home! Why are we being sucked into this media driven hysteria?
Peter W. Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 19:24:36
I saw there was a flag on my Grandfather's grave, but it was attached to a bronze marker for something other than his service with the US Life-Saving service. I designed a US Life -Saving Service Grave Marker and provided the first one for him initially, as well as subsequently for the hundreds of deceased Life -Savers around the country. Prior to my designing such a grave marker, there was no other recognition of these men , who came before and served before the US Coast Guard. The USLSS Marker is still there, so I must go back to attach a separate flag for him. And, about 25 feet away from his grave, there is buried one of his fellow Surfmen who served at Old Harbor Station. It will be an honor to have my final resting place nest to my grandparents.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 19:05:12
I need to correct something I posted earlier. Last night I called the police station and spoke to a dispatcher asking about the placement of flags on veterans graves and who did it. He said he didn't know. About twenty minutes later he called me back and told me the police did it. I found out a few minutes ago from a friend of mine that she and others worked with the VFW to place the flags. I'm sorry these folks were not given the credit they deserve. My "thoughts" are the police placed flags on the graves of former police officers . Many thanks as always to the VFW and the volunteers . Thank you also to the CPD for remembering the police officers as well.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 17:52:20
No one said reopening the country would be easy. A far as new cases after a state reopens is concerned, remember that it often takes 10-12 days from contact for the virus to strike. North Carolina today had its greatest number of new case. I will not be surprised if that happens in a number of states which have ignored masks and social distancing. I have seen posts which imply we are losing our civil liberties by wearing a mask or staying six feet apart. I will continue to wear a mask and employ social distancing as the economy opens. Stay safe.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 17:48:12
Elaine: As an observer of human behavior on the Outer Cape for many years, as well as observing the behavior of men in the USN for 20, I am not convinced that the Lower and Outer Cape will be spared from some of us being exposed to this virus. When we have done our best to do what was right to protect ourselves.
I really want to die of old age, like Grandmother Rebecca at 104, rather than prematurely due to some virus brought in from "away".
Color me whatever you will. Be sure to include "wary, concerned, realistic" in my obituary if my death was due to someone's casual approach to this virus.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 17:42:22
I personally don't believe anything coming out of the CDC. They are consistently inconsistent. While I hope Jim P is right, the difference from a lot of other states that haven't seen an increase is that Cape Cod is a summer tourist destination, with people fleeing other states to the Cape. And even worse, Chatham is a cloudy day destination for most Cape visitors. Residents had this under control but are now being inundated with people escaping everywhere else. And because they're on "vacation" and don't have a vested interest in Chatham or its people, many short term tourists and day trippers are ignoring the very basics of wearing masks even in food stores. Forget self quarantining. It's really poor form to come into someone else's home and be so thoughtless. A woman covering her mouth with her hand in a food store says it all. I'm going to be really ticked off if we DO have an increase in cases, and our small businesses can't open and our children can't go back to school because of it. Visitors will go home and we'll be the ones to pay a heavy price if this turns south. Adding insult to injury, we've quarantined all winter, and now that the weather is getting better, residents (full and summer) won't be able to shop in our own stores, sit on our own beaches, take a walk or even get takeout. It was pretty bad today in the rain and wind. I can not imagine what it's going to be like in a few weeks.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 17:05:09
To Eliane's note, other States that opened early have NOT seen an increase in infections 14 days after opening. One thing is for certain here: this virus is NOT acting in accordance with the models we have been fed.

That is good news for ya'll.

JimP
USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 15:40:13
I agree with Elaine. We are under siege by people ignoring all guidelines. As I drove the "loop" twice today I saw only two people wearing masks, out of at least 50 including Main St. One of the rentals on my street has 4 cars, two out of state, but why not, because there seems to be no watchdogs, no penalty, therefore the attitude is very selfish and confrontational. I am staying in my house or in my car until next Wednesday....without fail.
Emily <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 15:34:57
So right now there are no less than 30 out of state cars from a dozen states as far away as California stocking up at Village Market and CVS. And the sign at the Universalist church about a mandatory 14 day quarantine for out of state visitors is GONE. Who made that decision? I don't think that has been rescinded from the Governor's March 27 directive. Now is NOT the time to lift it. So in addition to bare shelves, I think we can expect to see an increase in cases in about 14 days. And I question where all of these people are staying since short term rentals are not permitted. They cannot all be summer residents. This is a very disturbing beginning to a very long summer.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 10:43:01
Many thanks to the Chatham Police Dept for putting flags on veterans graves. Much appreciated by the families.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 07:44:01
Jim P;
Plenty of "wound and release" folks at work, as well as some "fillet and release" sports. Yeah, bass are here too.

BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/23/2020 - 06:48:06
Folks:
All good news today where the virus is concerned. The Ma. company Moderna in combination with 2 labs indicating they will have an injection ready by Dec.,a vaccine ready to deploy.

Since Dr. Fauci's work in 1985 and his discovery of how to treat the retrovirus AIDS, we have become much smarter. Few would have understood how RDA used a protease to convert RNA into DNA, that then made its way back to the nucleus of a cell to divide uncontrollably.

Dr. Fauci's group of yesterday have provided Scientists of today, in how to go over the C-19. Just as In politics, we can say follow the money, in science we can say follow the nucleic acid trail.

His work with protease inhibitors put the AIDS virus out of commission. No spin here, today we have the tools to work with to stop this enemy

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 20:35:18
Richard, valid points, all. We just need accurate information, free from political spin, and then let the "People" make the decision as to the best course for them. I'm not seeing the stressing of ANY hospital capacity - anywhere. Recall that the Comfort left station; we took down the field hospital set up in the Javits center, and several others around the Country are being disassembled.

The merchants up there need to make the assessment as to how to survive. They are literally being choked to death. It's a Hobbesian choice: die from Covid-19, or destroy our entire economy and go the way of Venezuela. And please don't say it can't happen here - Venezuela was the richest S. American Country. One of the richest in the world. They are now eating zoo animals.

Massachusetts heralded the Revolution. A bunch of raggedy Colonialists were told by the British to "break it up." We shot them. I'm not advocating violence in any form, but some decisions need to be made by the PEOPLE. it seems that of late, our Constitutional Republic and representative democracy, especially within the town of Chatham, is in peril.

Use the metaphor of the fish pier, the sewer system, the COA, public works, and overall Town Management and apply it to the current situation. I am not confident that there is an intelligent course of action put forward.

JimP
USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 18:18:36
JimP::
Until my wife and I have access to a test, and many others as well, I am not sure that we are on the downside of this curve. Are you of the opinion that there is adequate protective equipment for all medical people who need it? I am not.
Certainly people from "away" have been flocking here for weeks, ( and they do have a right to be here) and now we are in the throes of the Memorial Day weekend. This is usually the busiest day of the year for the Eastham Hardware, and certainly folks were 6 feet apart across their parking lot today.
Going to the beach will be a nightmare, both for those who want to attend, and for those who have to advise people of the rules in place. Reducing Town beach accessibility by 50% will cause some anger for sure. The Cape Cod National Seashore parking lots are already way over built, so maybe that is where folks will visit.
This will be a season like no other.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 17:02:20
OOps, Memorial day. Senior moment.
Bill P
USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 16:38:59
No backups at exit 9 heading into the single lane merge. Normally on the Friday afternoon before Labor Day it would be a nightmare.
Bill P
USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 16:37:50
Yup. I'm all about giving them a chance to "flatten the curve." That was done. There's no shortage of medical pax or facilities. We are cranking out respirators and ventilators.

Just wondering how the folks up there are squaring the "I want to go to the beach", with "the government hasn't told us we could leave our house yet."

I mean...Massachusetts being the cradle of Liberty and all.

The Striped bass hit yet? Anyone picking up any schoolies?

JimP
USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 15:43:15
Jim, glad to see your coming around. Go check your posts from late March. You were all in on the stay at home orders. I even told you Fauci's models were way off and called him chicken little. As it turns out he was wrong on his models after all.
Bill P
USA - Fri 05/22/2020 - 09:41:17
is it the intent of the Chatham folks to have the government force the economic shut down, keep people in their houses and prohibit movement, until there is a cure?"

Not trying to get political, just trying to understand many of the comments here.

You DO know there will NEVER be a "cure"...right? It is a virus, it mutates, it will live with us like the annual flu.

JimP
USA - Thu 05/21/2020 - 16:53:42
My previous comments exactly. We are approaching 95 thousand deaths (do I have that figure right?) due to a virus that we don't really have a handle on, much less a wonder drug to treat it that has no proven safety for the general public.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/20/2020 - 17:56:21
I'm more curious how the Town is going to deal with a local gym for opening today. BOH was there this morning and they defied them and stayed open. If the Town can't handle a simple business breaking the law it will be interesting to see how the beach is handled.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 05/20/2020 - 17:41:01
How are the beaches going to be regulated this year, resident stickers only? Also, I have a problem with people using the School House Pond without stickers??
Especially when there is no where to sit at the pond...

Ann <anncafe@aol.com>
Quincy, MA USA - Wed 05/20/2020 - 12:32:02
Based on all of the event cancellations being publicized for the Lower and Outer Cape, and the beaches being a huge magnet for visitors, I am wondering just how this season is going to go.

Hard to imagine that the Chatham Bars Inn and Wequasset Inn are not open, at least not yet. Nor is the Sheraton in Eastham. (The CBI plantings are beautiful!) Different crowd for sure.

"All solutions create new problems".

Hoping you all stay well.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/19/2020 - 17:39:30
It's time to put the COA to bed for at least a year. No point in being beyond stupid and voting this in now. There should NOT be a town meeting either in a month - just ridiculous to risk the elderly population to this virus - all to try to pass a COA project.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/19/2020 - 10:53:13
Does he think that if you are over 65, you don't work anymore?
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/19/2020 - 09:34:15
How do we have a Town Meeting when most of us are over 65.
Peter W. Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/19/2020 - 07:42:10
Well it doesn't look good for a new C.O.A. anywhere now.Charlie Baker as of now is asking all people 65 and over to stay home.This will be the new normal.Now with this can anyone justify spending 8.6 million dollars for a new C.O.A.I think not.
jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/19/2020 - 07:23:17
From Chronicle: " To prevent the spread of COVID-19, #Chatham selectmen have voted unanimously to cancel this year's Independence Day parade and fireworks, as well as this summer's weekly band concerts."

Last time band concerts were not held for season was WWII, I think.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/18/2020 - 22:16:49
Jan - all town employees are considered "essential' whether they work even a few hours a week, so they're all getting paid. In addition they received an additional 80 hours (2 weeks) of additional sick pay under the Care Act. And they are union so they will get a pay raise and if their contract calls for increases.
Judy P <judylpat@rcn.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/18/2020 - 05:38:12
Good points Judy.If we already have someone in the town to do the job why do we need someone else.As for the raises in July,maybe not this year.Just like the state, no increase in taxes that they will be looking for either.The money is not there.By the way ,since the town is mostly closed has any town employees been furloughed?
Jan
chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/17/2020 - 20:25:11
I heard back from the Town Manager. Mr. Schiff's employer, Pierce-Cote -- which happens to be a division of Regan Communications Company -- a public relations company IS being paid. The contract provides payment of $2K for "COVID-19 crisis communications. In addition they are being paid $150 hour for any "potential future crisis management" and business expenses through the end of May. If anyone would like to see the contract, email me.
Don't we have an "Emergency Preparedness" individual employed by the Town that could and should have done this? I find it to be a terrible waste of money when we already employ someone in that role. I don't think too many folks would disagree with me, and I've heard from plenty that the Town operates with WAY too many consultants, who then hire others to do the work. While Mr. Schiff did a good job, the Town Manager should be capable of asking the caller's name, affiliation with Chatham and "what are your suggestions". All Mr. Schiff did was parrot back everyone's comments. His report was something our Town officials could have done.
In case anyone is interested -- take a look at the link below to see what our employees (including Town Manager) are paid. They are all due for increases on July 1st.


https://www.chatham-ma.gov/sites/chathamma/files/uploads/copy_of_wages_spreadsheet_chatham_2019.pdf

Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/17/2020 - 17:50:08
Happy Birthday to sister Nancy Ryder Petrus, who actually knew how to deal with Face time, which I had no reason to use prior to today.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/17/2020 - 17:18:42
Their can be no band concert this summer because it encourages people to gather.

I was also surprised to see the high school is having a graduation ceremony. Why is that given a waiver if schools are closed? I doubt very many students will attend under anyway.

It's starting to sound like lock down and masks for thee, but not for me.

Bill P
USA - Sun 05/17/2020 - 10:31:03
At first, band concerts at Veteran's Field sound like a possibility in spite of the technical challenge of audio in such a large venue. But can the band play with players separated? Much of the band is senior citizens and very vulnerable. Don't these senior musicians care? Very, very sorry, but I don't see band concerts happening.

And please don't invite hundreds of kids to the playground. (Yellow tape isn't a foolproof deterrent). Playgrounds are influenza incubators under the best of circumstances.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Sun 05/17/2020 - 09:03:10
To change the subject fo ra moment, beach access to Cape Cod beaches will be a huge attraction for some who have to live cheek by jowl really close to each other in cities far away. Look at the infection rates for Chelsea and Revere. Or Manhattan, Queens, etc.
ff the young lifeguards are expected to enforce rules about distancing, will a sidearm hinder their ability to swim? The answer is of course yes. This whole season could turn out to be filled with ugly confrontations at beaches Cape wide.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/16/2020 - 17:36:18
An update on my street's sewer installation project.

The Town provided the plans which showed the water line was placed off to the side. The contractor started digging and discovered the water line was placed down the middle of the road. It was also discovered that the water line had been placed only 3 feet below the road surface. Contractor had to stop work and wait for the Town to provide a solution. Did this result in a change order increasing the contract price? Where is the Town's over sight in all this? This seems to be a bad trend.

Q: Why should we proceed with the $8.3 million 1610 project?

A: No reason what so ever.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/16/2020 - 06:04:05
If the beaches do open this year I think they should not have lifeguards as how can could you guarantee their safety given the nature of their job.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/15/2020 - 15:15:41
John - When you mentioned this last week I remembered I had not gotten mine. I went online and did it. I also found out they are not sent to Post Office boxes - which I thought was a tad strange. Thanks for the reminder or I never would have remembered to do it.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/15/2020 - 11:25:26
I know I mentioned it in a prior post, but the early figures indicate that the number of census forms returned on Cape Cod to date are low. Please file your census form. Many of us have never had as much free time available to attend to details. It would be a shame for Cape Cod to be underfunded because people were not willing to be counted.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/15/2020 - 10:13:51
Yes, he recognized when to reach out and get professional advice. When the Sea Peach was launched (aka lanched) in Jonesport, ME, there was a problem with the brand new engine. It didn't run right after the launch . It had not been run prior. I Was there. Merritt Wright was with Dave on this adventure. Merritt knew most everyone on the coast of Maine.
This mechanic comes down to the dock, on a moments notice, and asked what is wrong." It doesn't run right."
He says"stahter up". Dave did that. "Shut er off". Did that. The mechanic apparently very quickly figured out the spark plug wires had been reversed at the factory. "Staht her up again." Ran like a charm after that.
These are the kind of folks we want to rely on.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/14/2020 - 17:15:09
Richard, your father was a great man. So much fun to talk with him. I would visit and we would finish our financial business in ten minutes and I'd stay and talk about Chatham for an hour.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/14/2020 - 11:34:10
Having been a native Chathamite, I always respected those families who came from "away". I perceived them as more intelligent, better educated, and well spoken. Like John Whelan's family. We played Little League ball together, but where was he in the fall? Gonzo to some other realm which those of us who were there in Chatham for eternity didn't have a clue. I respect what he has done in his stint as a WOMR disck jockey, as well as his timely comments on this ChatMRoom. And he was a well respected financial advisor to my Dad. Thanks John.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 17:58:35
I adhere to the belief that you have the choice of only one place that is your residence. You can't have more than one and payment of real estate taxes in a place you are not a resident of is a choice you make when you purchase real estate there. I find the claim of "Taxation without representation" to be disingenuous.
I don't believe many of our summer visitors actually believe that "Taxation without representation" is a valid argument. The Summer Taxpayers Advisory Committee and their suggestions are taken seriously by the Selectmen and the Finance Committee, as they should be.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 17:34:28
I think the beaches are going to be a sore spot this coming season. If we knew that everyone who visits a beach has been tested and is negative, then that is one thing. I don't see that level of testing capability any time soon, despite what you might hear.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 16:33:48
John, this notion of yours that summer residents should get more say because collectively you pay a higher percentage is appalling. This is about preventing the spread of a virus that could kill your neighbors. But for the record, full time residents pay a boatload of state income tax that you, John benefit from , and that you, John, avoid by living in Florida. So spare us your version of American history and taxation without representation when lives are at stake.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:53:02
Fred - I agree with you about the number of out of towners. Its' ridiculous. I also wait all year to go to the beach. For the amount of money we all pay for various services, as year rounders, we damn well should be able to use these services without restrictions being placed on them. The restrictions should be placed on the folks that come to town and suck up our supplies. Jared could not have said it any clearer in his earlier post.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:52:15
Judy I think we have bigger worries than 100% unfettered beach access for $30. Reducing the number of CT/NY/NJ license plates in Stop & Shop parking lot may increase our odds of finding some TP and pasta this summer.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:22:28
Elaine, my attitude goes back to the founding days of America: Taxation without representation!
And the Boston tea party...Ignoring the needs of those who contribute the most financially to operate the town government isn't a good thing. Maybe we could just eliminate property tax on nonresidents and then it would not be an issue for residents to get their way without consideration of us? But I doubt y'all would be able to handle the rates that would result.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:15:43
Fred - you are missing the point. We pay enough in fees as year rounders. We should not be turned away from the beach.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:15:25
Bill - Thanks! Sent 1:12 p.m. May 13th.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:12:13
It's simple math Judy... A Transfer Station sticker is $150. A residential beach sticker is $30. A combo transfer/beach is $180 (ie. $150 + $30)
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:11:02
If Jill does not respond send her this.

Re: Massachusetts Public Records Request

Dear _______:

This is a request under the Massachusetts Public Records Law (M. G. L. Chapter 66, Section 10). I am requesting that I be provided a copy of the following records:

[Please include a detailed description of the information you are seeking.]

I recognize that you may charge reasonable costs for copies, as well as for personnel time needed to comply with this request.

The Public Records Law requires you to provide me with a written response within 10 business days. If you cannot comply with my request, you are statutorily required to provide an explanation in writing.

Sincerely,

Your Name
Contact Information (address, email, telephone)

Bill P
USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 13:06:22
Debbie - My point in mentioning it was that with a Town Manager and others - they are paid more than enough to moderate this. I would imagine if Mr. Schiff had NOT been paid, Jill or Alex would have responded to my request by now. I really don't think folks care whether he is year round or seasonal - it's the principle of spending more of our money I am concerned about. There is no excuse for Jill not responding to me. None.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 12:20:00
Also the website for the permits is incorrect with pricing. All pricing for transfer station is from 2018. It's too bad with the number of employees the town can't update their pricing on website. The beach sticker prices are incorrect as well. The pricing went up quite a bit this year.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 12:16:26
Fred - she is correct - I paid $180 for dump "privileges", recycling, and the beach. It is a LOT of money and it went up drastically this year. Residents better not be told the beach is filled with tourists and be turned away.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 12:04:38
C'mon Josie let's not be overly dramatic. A resident beach sticker is $30.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 11:52:39
Are we year round residents expected to pay 180$ for a combo beach/dump sticker only to be told the beach is full?
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 11:26:15
FYI, the 365 Task Force, which Brad Schiff moderated, has been disbanded. Brad is a registered voter and he's currently Chair of the Charter Review Committee.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 11:06:47
Wow John. I remember when Americans actually made decisions based on the collective good of the country-not how they would personally benefit. Not any more. It's apparently every man for himself and whoever whines the most or yells the loudest. We're talking about life and death of full time residents in Chatham and you're saying summer residents (of which you are one) should have more say because you pay more taxes. How sick is that?

As full time residents, this is our home. We don't get to go somewhere else to escape. We should not in any way be encouraging short term rentals and non-resident tourists to come here-buying food and supplies we need and crowding the sidewalks and beaches- until we flatten the curve- because when they're on vacation they simply don't follow rules. We've all seen it. And then it will be out of our hands. The rate of illness and death will increase and business will never be permitted to open. Charlie Baker will make sure of that. And when the town is in a financial crisis the Board of Selectmen should stop spending taxpayer money. Who do they think is going to pay for the COA?- the elderly on fixed incomes who've lost 1/3 of their savings, and the people without jobs. Just brilliant.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 11:06:13
Another factor to consider, available resources. You can not get TP or paper towels now, add a few thousand more visitors and we will be in worse shape. Lots of food items are also hard to get.
Bill P
USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 10:55:04
Judy, one item that I missed but was reminded of via Chronicle was that Brad is also currently on the Chatham 365 Task Force, so it's entirety possible that he volunteered to do it, but using his corporate identification.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 10:49:51
John - I understand - but either way, we, as taxpayers are entitled to know what he was paid and who made that decision. In reference to your other comment, I understand. I think it's time for Chatham to put the brakes on spending - that was my only motive for posting. This is not a time to go ahead with a COA building. All of us are in the same boat. We all have expenses that won't go away. There are plenty of folks right now that have no income - which is why this ridiculous expenditure needs to be put to bed this year. Not the time right now for a new COA or anything else for that matter.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 09:55:01
Judy, I think that by using Brad, they were trying to avoid the criticism that would have occurred had Jill or some other town employee moderated it. The only other possibility would have been Bill Litchfield but some people would object to him also.
And those who are without income may well be those who depend on summer residents or tourists.
So what benefit to them would it be to pay attention to year round folks who also pay the minority of property tax? You may not agree obviously but the year round residents contribute the least financially to the town overall so giving them less weight is not unreasonable.
My only point by saying my cottages were somewhat a hobby was to indicate it wasn't my only income source but I also don't want to be loosing money on it. My expenses don't go away because I have less customers.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 09:26:39
John - you also said at the forum that your cottages were "a hobby". You are fortunate to have that option. There are folks here now that have no income and no possibility of anything coming in for quite some time. For year round citizens' emails to be ignored in favor of summer residents and merchants is beyond words. For them to continue to push an 8+ million COA building just shows you how far out of touch these folks are. Elaine has it right - they are acting like spoiled kids demanding this. Between the forum and the insistence of this ridiculous 8.3 million expense shows you exactly how irrational and dangerous these people are with tax payers money.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 06:24:55
John - my point was that the Town Manager or someone else who salaries are paid by us should have moderated it. They are paid high enough salaries and they should have done this. For taxpayers to pay Mr Schiff for a job someone employed by the town doesn't sit well with many. I have asked Jill and Alex what (if anything) he was paid and what account our money came out of to pay him. I have not received a response.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 06:10:43
Judy, I wouldn't consider Brad Schiff who was the forum moderator to be an outsider, though he isn't a year round resident (AFAIK), because he was on the SRAC for a number of years and then, I believe, on the July 4 parade committee.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 05/13/2020 - 03:53:42
For those who don't want day passes at beach for tourists to buy, then I would require they pay the lost revenue to town as penalty because the beach is one place where you can easily stay away from others.
Same goes for those not wanting tourists to stay in town, then make up the difference in lost room tax.
As I sad via Zoom at forum, I can deal with making less income from rentals, but I can't be just losing money due to fixed expenses that can't be deferred, like property tax and insurance.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 22:21:23
After hearing the forum last night, it shows what I have believed for years. The locals are marginalized and expected to bow down to the tourists. I'm not saying tourism needs to be stopped altogether, but this is OUR home first before it is anyone's playground and if visitors are not willing to respect that, then I personally have no use for them. When entitled tourists shove their way to the front simply because they are on vacation and justify it by claiming, "I spend my money here" I respond with, "I spend my money here all year long, and I spend a lot more of it supporting local business than you do."
I'm not sure last night's forum was more about locals concerned for the well being of their community, than it was about seasonal visitors being inconvenienced for their summer.

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 20:59:44
I agree Dan. I have 3 little grandchildren- ages 8, 6 and 2. Without scaring them, their parents had to explain to them why they wouldn't be going on their planned spring break vacation. They were clearly disappointed but took it like champs. Not ONCE have they brought it up again, or whined, said they deserved it, or that "it's their turn". They also have been taught the value of a dollar and how hard you have to work for it. Yet the $8 million+ expenditure is still under consideration, despite the crisis we are in, with no end in sight. It's time for the Town Manager, Selectmen, Council on Aging and those pushing this project to start acting like my grandchildren who already understand you need to "Pay attention to your surroundings" and "You can't always get what you want".
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 19:56:41
Last night's public forum gave a real indication as to the high anxiety levels as expressed by visitors, residents and the Main Street merchants. Theses were serious concerns from both from a financial and health perspectives. Some expressed whether their businesses would even survive.

Now is not the time for the $8.3 million 1610 project.

Vote No at the Town Meeting.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 18:40:47
Bill - good suggestions. No day passes a definite and first dibs to homeowners. The idea of dividing a beach day into sessions was ridiculous.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 18:27:38
As a polio survivor from 1948, I would say limit the chances for a virus to spread, being it from salt water at the Oyster Pond, or wherever.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 17:48:43
Beach continued. No day passes either. Fresh water should be closed to swimming.
Bill P
USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 14:46:40
Simple for the beaches. Town residents and non resident property owners only allowed parking permits. No shuttle buses.
Bill P
USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 14:42:27
I agree about the persistent police monitoring theme. This is not Texas, Connecticut, New Jersey. I certainly don't want to pay $$money for a residential beach sticker and get to the beach to find its limited capacity is considered full at less than 100% by tourists. I sincerely hope we as year round residents get a fair deal with this one. And no there should not be 3 Daily beach sessions. We as round residents need to come first in our town.
Josie

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 09:11:58
Another persistent theme was that the Chatham police should monitor and correct behavior everywhere. No. It would take the National Guard.
Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 06:21:55
The forum was impressive - 380 participants on Zoom. I was expecting a free-for-all, but the moderator and his 3 minute limit did a great job. My estimate: of the speakers 40% year-rounders and 60% summer residents. Consensus: parade and band concert are toast. All firmly in favor of protecting us seniors. How do you protect the short term renters and day trippers from the congestion they cause? But it is these that keep the merchants afloat. A few interesting solutions to downtown, but if the traffic only goes east, eventually it winds up in salt water! Crowds walking in the same direction don't protect the walkers. Good luck BOS.
Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 06:14:58
I totally agree with Elaine and Judy. The forum was skewed toward merchants (that don't sell anything the year rounders want or need), the second home owners from afar who are afraid to lose rental income, the tourists who will crowd the beaches and ignore precautions, and WHO will be enforcing new rules and ways of doing things ?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 06:04:58
I could not be any more disappointed in the way this was conducted. Elaine you are 100% correct. To have these folks collect input from those select groups says it all. It's always been about the almighty dollar and having this town reach peak capacity with tourists; the majority who have zero respect for year founders here - as evidenced in experiences others here have written about. As others have mentioned previously I have little faith in our leaders . The Town Manager should have moderated this debate - not an outside person. I emailed Jill to ask if he was paid (with our money) to do this - still waiting for a response .
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/12/2020 - 05:47:03
I wrote an email this morning for the forum. Yet somehow after 2 hours and 45 minutes it wasn't read. But we heard from Texas, Va, Md, NJ, Fla, and Malibu- just to name a few. We heard from business owners who don't live in Chatham, renters, real estate brokers, the Chamber of Commerce, and Merchants Association. It was clear they did not want to hear from full time residents. I wrote Shanna and asked her why mine had not been read. She responded she had 100 emails. Yet people spoke 3+ times, she was reading emails just coming in, and was scrounging at the end for something to read. The message to me was -full time residents are at the bottom of the food chain in Chatham. The town is guaranteed our tax revenue. We are irrelevant. Our health must be weighed against accommodating visitors. It's more important to attract tourists this summer- with or without masks-lest we offend them. I would point out the town does not receive one dime from retail sales.Not one dime. Full time residents will have to fight for food and supplies at the grocery store. Forget takeout. If we don't exercise precautions and refuse service to those without masks and gloves, , it will be us- the full time residents who pay the ultimate price when all the summer residents and tourists leave. A woman actually went into the market today with her hand over her mouth because she didn't have a mask.Is she from Mars? If she had Covid how many people would she have infected after touching all the produce in the store? That is what these next months are going to be like if we succumb to political correctness and fear of offending visitors.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 21:16:14
I find it interesting that the moderator pandered to businesses, summer residents, the Chamber of Commerce, merchants group and rental brokers. Several folks were allowed to speak twice that have businesses and friends of mine that are year round residents were ignored. Fair - I think not but we all expected this.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 20:23:14
This discussion is going well. We have summer residents calling in saying they have self quarantined since March - yet they believe we should have a 4th of July parade. The other comments were regarding the beach. Let's have a morning session, an afternoon session and twilight session to go to the beach.. Can you imagine the police telling folks they have to leave? I'll be like the gun owner - try to make me leave the beach after my "session". This is just insane listening to some of these people. Let's make Main Street a walking area only - no cars and only walk one way on the sidewalks.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 18:48:41
JimP

I just read the article about the ice cream shop in Mashpee that you were referring to. Horrific behavior and nobody defended the establishment. The customers just wanted their Cape Cod Ice Cream.
Article quote - "Things got so bad at the Polar Cave Ice Cream Parlour in Mashpee that an employee quit the same day.
"One of my best workers quit yesterday at the end of her shift. She stuck it through her shift," owner Mark Lawrence told CNN affiliate WFXT. "But the words she was called and the language, you wouldn't even say in a men's locker room. And to say it to a 17-year-old kid, they should be ashamed of themselves."
Just sickening behavior. Probably a lot more to come with warmer weather.

kaytee <Fritos800@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 18:06:46
Right now they have instructions on channel 18 to call in. You have to go to channel 18 on the town website. Click Join Covid-19 Community Forum..... password is 02633
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 18:01:00
I don't know why the Town would using Zoom for tonight's meeting. For all BOS and working group meetings, they've used Microsoft Teams which many of us have already installed-and it works well.. Zoom has had serious security breaches-especially on Macs. When I tried the link, i got a security warning. I am not going to install it on my computer which you have to do to participate. How is it that our IT Dept (1)- isn't being consistent and (2)- would recommend a program that has had security issues?
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 17:19:03
Couldn't find her email but my mistake I put a period after gov thanks anyway
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 17:03:42
Crayon- email Town Manager and tell her
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 17:01:09
Anybody know how to comment on tonight's forum, link does not work email got kicked back as not found?
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 16:38:53
part 2
Seemed like total confusion in there but I got it mailed and noticed as I was turning to leave that the clerk had a soggy Kleenex in her hand that she stuffed into a crevice quickly. >groan< Then bang I go to walk out of there and a woman in a red wool coat was standing near me- no mask, acting bewildered. In normal times I would have asked her- "What are you looking for?" But another customer said to her- " You cannot come in here without a mask" and then laughingly said loudly enough for employees to hear " I am policing your door for you". So I try to squeeze out of there and mumbled- " She thinks she is special" And there she is staring in the door. She moves away and walks down the ramp. I ask her " where's your mask?" 3 times as I move along. Then I give up and pick up my pace and get in the truck. And there she is two spaces next to me getting in her car. I whip out my camera and take a photo of it. Then she pulls next to me and I quickly roll up my window. She starts explaining how sorry she is and she left her mask at home. I did not want any further communication so I waved her away. Most annoying was on this colder than ever day in May with icy pellets in the air , she had on a wool coat with no scarf and a bare neck & chest. I have never seen such a naked chest!

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 13:51:42
As to masks and obeying rules. I posted on facebook so I figured I would share here too. I get out once a week for food shop in Orleans. Couple ahead of me in line had masks on but were as two. Maybe each store is different but I thought they discouraged couple shopping unless you were aiding someone with a disability. No matter- the gate keeper only let one in at a time. So I get back to Chatham and get my lottery ticket at Cumberland Farms.Everyone is friendly and obeying the rules. Post office next. I needed a mailer. Got that came back here to complete it and got back out.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/11/2020 - 13:50:50
Tomorrow night The BOS is having a "moderated" discussion with input from everyone on opening the town back up. If folks can't even control themselves and obey rules now this isn't going to be a positive discussion. It's always a few bad apples that destroy everything for others.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/10/2020 - 20:09:26
Was going to keep quiet about it but the subject is trending nationally: ice cream store in Mashpee had to close down due to the abuse heaped upon a 17 year old employee from customers; one day after it re-opened. Not sure if they were "friendly" Massachusetts folk, or the swells from the city visiting their 5th house and treating the locals like crap. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes.
JimP
USA - Sun 05/10/2020 - 19:21:16
A lot of small business owners in Chatham are not going to survive.
Just look at the number of closed business's in Orleans. Shut down, even before this calamity. Will the Cape Cod Mall in Hyannis survive?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/10/2020 - 19:05:22
Emily: Thanks for your input. Even driving by these joggers, drivers, walkers, etc from CT, NJ, NY, CA, VT
it might show what the disparity is between them that has and those that don't.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/10/2020 - 18:03:38
Not one person walked by my house wearing or showing any ability to cover face and nose since I arrived last Thursday. Mostly Millenial age group but I felt a defiant attitude. Not me! No Gov. order! I am free HERE. If we could have local police, fire, or Nat'l Guard presence reminding everyone to obey the rules or be fined on the spot.....we might find creative ways to enjoy OUR Chatham for us old-timers the way it was in the fifties, through nineties. Tomorrow night's video conference call will be very interesting.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/10/2020 - 17:47:38
There are certainly a lot more cars around the Lower and Outer Cape than one would expect to be here at this time of year. And for some reason, they seem to want to go a lot faster than reasonable.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/10/2020 - 17:29:32
FYI: Via Facebook, my sorta Chatham classmate, Dave Bohman (Dougie's son) posted that he lost his wife Linda to cancer tonight. Just passing it on for those who may know him/them but not do Facebook.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 05/09/2020 - 22:15:19
The Fish Pier observation deck is not open after all. Stu Smith told me the job is finished but there are some "code issues" that will need to be addressed before the deck is open for visitors.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 16:17:15
I think what they are doing to Chase Park is the very, very least of our worries.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 13:06:50
I heard they are making the new croquet court in Chase Park.
Jennifer
USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 12:47:14
Can anyone tell me about the mess in the middle of Chase Park?
Denise <dgt52@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 12:34:28
Now that the construction is done, that will free up some spaces nearer the docks for the fishermen. Probably never will be enough. Here is another idea: how about a shuttle bus that leaves every 15 minutes from the Community Center lot. Goes to the Fish Pier, then on to the Lighthouse and returns via Bridge Street. Dollar a head each way.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 12:11:17
Absolutely Jan. And the 5/7 post if you want.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 11:58:54
Richard,as fro meters in the upper fish pier parking lot.That was to be used for the crew on the fishing boats.Now good luck to them to find a spot.Between C.B.I help and tourist the crew tries to find spots on the side of the road and then at times there is none available.Glad we have that over done observation deck now.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 11:24:43
Elaine ,may I copy your post so I can post it elsewhere?I would like to have more people read it maybe on face book.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 11:21:07
This senior center project needs to be tabled for at least 2 years, period. Building a senior center that may never be used is irresponsible. We won't know this for at least 2 years.
Bill P
USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 11:08:02
Thanks for your comments Bruce and I agree. We can give people the facts and they can be outraged, but nothing matters but showing up to vote. You can lead the horse to water....I would urge anyone who has any doubt whether passage of 1610 Main is being orchestrated by the BOS and the Town Manager to listen to last night's BOS meeting beginning at 1:39. Who knew there even was a BOS meeting on a Thursday night? Not one member of the public was on the call because they didn't know about it. The blatant manipulation of the order of warrant articles to favor 1610 and push it through was stunning and offensive. Selectman Nicastro has made it clear that he will do anything to defeat Stepping Stones-including attacking the character and motives of over 500 private citizen voters at every opportunity in the most vile terms. The right to petition is one of our most basic constitutional rights and his utter disdain for that fact,and vitriol, has been permitted without reprimand by the Chair. For whatever reason, 1610 Main is clearly personal with the majority of the Board and the TM. They have abused their power.They need to stop playing games with Town Meeting, act like adults and fiscally responsible public servants, and focus on the pandemic, unemployment, and loss of millions in revenue to the Town before spending a penny on this project at either site. The public needs to do their part. Write the selectmen and the Chronicle and speak with your neighbors. When do we finally say enough? They have forgotten they work for us. We are not simply an irritating obstacle to get around-unless we let them.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/08/2020 - 08:15:18
And who would now condone the sale of tickets to watch the Colored Clowns basketball team, (imitators of the Harlem Globe Trotters) as well as the purchase and sale of tickets to watch Donkey Basketball in the same gym?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/07/2020 - 17:36:42
If the Fish Pier is such a tourist attraction, why not put in parking meters in the upper lot? Right now it is a major freebie, with free bathrooms (with nice music) to boot.
Keep in mind and be warned , at my CHS graduation in 1957, my class mates voted me "most mercenary". We were selling the newly available ballpoint pens to raise $$ for the "Washington Trip". And of course boiled hot dogs at the basketball games in the relatively new gym.
Times and expectations have changed, for sure.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/07/2020 - 17:29:07
As of yesterday evening the "CLOSED" signs disappeared from both the North and South sides of Chatham Municipal Pier. Have at it RGR!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/07/2020 - 13:12:22
Elaine, you make a good argument, as always, and I admire your tenacity and deeply felt love of Chatham. Having faith in your fellow citizens (voters) is a good thing, of course, but like the man said, you don't want to bring a knife to a gun fight. The only way to ensure that the vote goes your way is to make it happen with an all-out grass-roots outreach effort to the Chatham electorate that ensures you will have the votes you need BEFORE the vote is taken. Hoping is not enough. It is distressing to read month after month about the corruption and behind the scenes maneuvering that you all know is going on and yet nothing ever seems to be done about it. Until these bad apples are voted out, nothing will change and in fact, things will get worse. Finally, if you are successful in voting the rascals out, you need to find qualified people to run the town who share your love of Chatham and are willing to stand up for what is right over the long term. A lot of hard work ahead but worth every effort.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Thu 05/07/2020 - 12:26:50
Exactly Debbie. There were only 3 petitioners out of 10 in the working group. 6 of the 7, from the beginning, were proponents of 1610 Main and a two story, (because a single story would not fit on the 1610 site) and strongly opposed to Stepping Stones. So when a vote was taken to pursue a single story- we of course lost-despite the fact that was a significant part the petition and should have been honored.

I also agree with you there was room for a single story without a retaining wall. We will never know for sure because apparently no actual site plan survey with measurements was done. I only found out last Friday when I asked for a copy. I don't have one document that even shows the surveyed frontage length. How does one do a site plan to scale without a survey plot plan? The working group's last meeting was Friday morning. Revisions were made over the weekend by consultants and staff with new renderings, new financials and a new map- none of which the working group was able to review before the meeting. Dozens of questions-financial and otherwise-resulted and need answers. The BOS vote against Stepping Stones was premature.

This isn't our first rodeo with special interest town projects. To even consider a two story $8.2 million for a municipal building for the elderly on a busy state road, next to an airport, between 2 roundabouts ,when half of our community are out of work indefinitely, and the entire town is shut down, is fiscally and morally irresponsible. We all deserve better. I have faith the public will see through this.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/07/2020 - 10:14:43
Exactly one year ago, town meeting voted on a single story senior center on Middle Rd.. At that time, the cost to construct the 10,150 sf building (not including site work, etc.) was budgeted at $4,030,000. Consultants claimed a 20%+ construction cost increase for that single story in the ensuing year. Doubtful. That plus the arguable claim that a retaining wall would be needed was what took the single story off the table. Petitioners wanted a single story, a fact that's gotten lost in the discussion.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/07/2020 - 08:34:30
Alice - I don't think you understand - especially after the comments posted here. There are some serious questions as to the "quality" and integrity of the study that was done. It was one sided - specifically done to appease those that hired the firm that did the study. This subject is not going to go away as many folks are rightfully upset. Stay tuned for more on this.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/06/2020 - 19:01:48
Jan, could you be more specific? Did you watch the BOS mtg? The voters got what they asked for. They wanted a feasibility study and one was done. It did not turn out the way a lot of us expected. Sometimes things just work out that way.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/06/2020 - 18:38:12
I know I could actually drive over to Chatham to find out for myself, but there are a select few persons, maybe one, who might wonder if I had a Permission Slip from a higher up to allow me to drive to Chatham from Eastham.
My search would be, if allowed, would be to know how close we are to completion of the Fish Pier project to see where Captain Dave Ryder's bronze plaque might be permanently located.
Sister Nancy , Brothers John and Bob are on the list of folks who might also subscribe to my request.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/06/2020 - 17:43:18
After reading in the paper about the BOS meeting on the Council of Aging for Stepping Stones I guess they don't care what the voters want.Well,I guess the votes will be able to let their voices be heard at the next town meeting by voting NO on 1610 Main St.Do you think they will get the message then?
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/06/2020 - 17:28:56
Monday there is a BOS virtual Meeting about opening the town up. I'm glad to see there is an opportunity for residents to speak up. I certainly don't want to pay $$money for a residential beach sticker and get to the beach to find its capacity is considered full at less than 100% by tourists. I sincerely hope we as year round residents get a fair deal with this one.
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/06/2020 - 11:08:47
Oh my goodness! We are like lambs led to slaughter! Last night's BOS meeting was so cooked up, I could not watch any more of that stuff, Where are the friends of my parents, my ancestors from the Mayflower, where are the brains out of WW11 veterans ,who will take on the fight? We need new leadership to clean up every single mis-management in this Town. I say get rid of Jill, Dr. Bob the entire bunch and elect a lot of new blood who can LEAD, I will be home this week, and I will welcome any others who want to fight with me!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/05/2020 - 20:40:10
Kind of interesting that the main proponents of Stepping Stones were not heard from at the BOS mtg. Would be nice to know why. After all, they drove this process. Please listen carefully to Deans comments re further actions that would have been needed if SS was in fact viable. We have been told that very high [and expensive] retaining walls would have been needed for a single story building. Something touched on during last nights mtg. Also wonder if this will have any effect on those running for School Comm? We of liked the idea of a single story because we could have removed on of the larger rooms to save money at this time.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/05/2020 - 20:07:01
I agree Judy, this was the equivalent of a kangaroo court and by rights there should be an investigation into how the consultants were influenced. The proposed design is clearly not optimal and a second unbiased professional opinion should be sourced. At a minimum voters should wake up and make better use of the ballot box next time.
Scott
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/05/2020 - 08:13:16
Dick - predetermined - exactly! The consultants presentation should not have surprised anybody. They are paid to do what they are told. I can't imagine any responsible voter voting to build a COA with everything that is going on. Chatham would look like fools to spend 8M plus when folks aren't even working and the situation with the virus.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/05/2020 - 07:01:20
Were Stepping Stones the only site, you know architects could fit a single story senior center on the site with closer parking than shown to the BOS tonight. The building didn't have to be at the extreme end; a single story senior center is more accessible and more easily monitored than a two story; a single story would have had less impact on the appearance from the road (you could see that from one of the renderings). Users find overflow parking when necessary, and there is more of it on Stepping Stones than on 1610. The result of this study and the remarks of our selectboard were predetermined and pointless.

I couldn't watch the entire presentation.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 21:16:45
Judy
And my point was in accordance what Dan seemed to be observing- no town officials were there as I understood it. Indeed if a careful watch is not occurring, this is too expensive of a program for this to be allowed. Multi. Multi Millions are involved here, spreading over a structure that needs to last 100 years time or more. Maybe the state is watching, and if no one is watching maybe the state should be advised of this fact as this may not be just Chatham $$$ Chatham was very lucky with "the bridge project"-the state came to the rescue and that one was tiny compared to what is going on now with the pipes.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 20:03:33
yet, ya'll keep voting for the same; the money keeps flowing; and the government gets bigger. anyone see a pattern?
JimP
USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 19:59:06
Alan - the point of this conversation was to point out there's minimal oversight on every town project. That is why folks are beyond fed up.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 19:04:00
You can have the best engineered sewer piping system in the world and I am sure the state has a very rigid all encompassing set of specs (everything from mean velocities when flowing full- to energy gradients and much more that must be adhered to.

Dan, your comments very interesting. Failure-typically its the installation, right down to alignment. And incorporated in this instillation and just one of many, is back fill compaction-I wonder if they are still doing deflation tests, Soil should be at 95% if its compacted strength once covered. Again, I hope town authorities are watching every foot that is being laid for the money being spent. I do not think you want to rely on the contractor 100%. Driving heavy equipment over newly installed piping systems is the major reason for cracks and they cannot be seen for many years out.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 18:20:42
Agree Steve. Since 2010 we have appropriated over $150 million (I've lost count) for the sewer project, and more is appropriated at least every other year . Approximately 750 properties downtown were on the original (1979) sewer and only 398 additional properties have been connected since this project began. So far that's $376,884 per new property. Great ROI. There are approximately 8000 residential/commercial properties in Chatham. When Town Meeting approved this project in 2010 we were told - though many disagreed-it would cost $210 Million with the goal of 5600 properties (70%) connected by 2030 in order to reduce nitrogen levels. Clearly that's not going to happen. To make things worse, we sold 24% of our $50 million WWTF capacity to Harwich for under $7 million so they can sewer East Harwich and we get to treat their sewage. That's the nightmare we're living with on 137 and the 4 Corners as if we need more unfinished road projects. To add insult to injury, in order to eventually sewer 70% as promised, we'll have to expand our Treatment Facility at our expense- assuming we have enough discharge capacity at Cockle Cove.Another brilliant financial negotiation by Chatham. Do they work for us or Harwich?
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 12:01:05
Steve - hooking up to it was a LOT more than $5K. Remember, you have to pay to have the land surveyed first for "placement" , and then the actual charge to hookup. It cost over $10K for my family's house. The water bill cost afterward is spot on - much more expensive. I agree with you 100% in that the Town sold the Kool-Aid and we bought it - hook, line and sinker. The spending spree never ends. I seriously hope fiscally responsible voters will NOT ok the new budget at its current figures. There is no need for any increase.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 11:26:35
Sewer project accounted for 35 cents (approximately 8%) of Chatham's property tax rate 3 years ago, and that increases each time Town meeting votes to appropriate more money to the project (eventually total spend will be ~$300M). After construction is finished in an area those folks then get the pleasure of spending $5+k to hook up to sewer (average), and experience future water/sewer bills approximately triple their current rate (sewerage rate is about triple the water rate). Since the Town continues to vote tens of millions to this project it is apparent Town personnel have done an excellent job of convincing the voters that project benefits outweigh the costs. I have never supported that belief.
Steve West <steve.e.west@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 10:44:05
If Ours people park equipment or store pipe and other things on your land they are TRESSPASSING! You can call the police and tell them you want the stuff taken off your land. They are also responsible for any damage done. It is legal for them to put things on the side of the road as long as it's within the Town right of way but not on private property without the owners permission! John, we already sent our census info in, hope others do to.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 10:40:35
I meant to say send.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 10:11:44
Chatham stands to lose a lot of potential funding if many of its year-round citizens fail to end in their census report. Please file your census form and make sure your family and friends do, also.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 09:57:04
I was informed something similar along these lines ...it's going to cost a pretty penny to take a dump in Chatham!(not using the excavators exact words)
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 09:10:42
Talking to a a machine operator this morning before he fired up the excavator. Given the road was torn up, I was curious as to the end product.

He indicated that trees will be removed, the road dug up and paved over several times. I questioned why more work than necessary was being done for a sewer project.

The contractor's response was "The way this town spends money"...

This is more proof that the 2021 town budget should be rejected.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 08:38:20
We would NOT be complaining about the roads if Gibby were back in charge. They'd be fixed.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 07:30:23
Gibby Borthwick would be driving up and down these roads all day checking on what was going on.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 06:34:22
In some towns across Maskachusetts sewer is optional? And I don't see these essential workers wearing masks, but we will be required to outdoors?
Josie

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/04/2020 - 06:14:41
When they started the sewer project in 2007, the Ours told us the town roads would be torn for years. It's only been 13 so far. Are we having fun yet?
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 22:19:19
Agree Judy, Bill P, Josie, Dan et al. Cross Street was dug up a year ago for water mains . It took forever and left a mess. Then they came back with the new gas lines. There are pot holes, huge patches/depressions and areas that flood. Worth a drive to see the way it's been left- an absolute mess aesthetically and just great for cars. I've been told they're coming back in the fall to dig up the entire road surface and sidewalks to resurface. It will have been a full two years by the time they're done - on one road. In the meantime it has been awful for people who live here. They really need to focus and finish what they start. That goes for every project.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 20:57:00
Bill -.well said. Would love to know why no town " officials" are checking this mess. It's just awful.. what recourse do we have? I think tax payers have been more than patient. Maybe we just vote down EVERYTHING at town meeting and no increases in the budget.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 20:07:12
Also it was only a few years ago they tore it all up for the new gas lines, so here we go again.

Maybe in a few years the the electric company can tear it all up again for underground lines.

It just feels like the roads have been a mess for a decade.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 19:36:19
They also work on each end of roads blocking any way out. Just work in one direction.

They also seem to skip sections of the road like leapfrog and when you think there past your house they double back again.

They dump equipment everywhere and no town official bothers to check on what they are doing.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 19:28:17
Thanks Lisa - that makes sense. I took a walk this afternoon and equipment is just parked everywhere. The crew left equipment on neighbor's wetland property and they have complained to town yet it still sits there. The roads are in horrific shape. Selectman Metters was not happy with Mr Temple's report last week on how the state won't fix the W Chatham Roadway. The others were content bro let it go til he spoke up and said it was not acceptable . I hope something is done soon . I don't see tourists liking this mess we've been living with for the past year. I will not vote on any COA property til we fix what we have. Enough is enough.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 17:26:14
I agree total mess, noisy, whole house shakes, very disturbing this sewer project
Josie

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 13:13:49
we don't think the town will be happy till all the roads are nothing but a bunch of patchwork. Look at 28, 137, Old Queen Ann and so on. What a mess!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 12:20:28
The Old Village was told that sewers are first being put in where bodies of water need protection, so where I live those who abut the Mill Pond will get sewers first. Those of us along Pleasant Bay will be last because the bay has adequate flushing. That explains Shore Road.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 12:10:19
I don't understand why they don't completely finish one area before ripping up another area in another part of town. The sewer was put only in on half of my road five years ago. In the past two weeks the other part of my road was done. The road was left a complete mess. There seems to be no common sense to this. Why hasn't the sewer been put in on Shore Road where you have the biggest uses of water coming from CBI and Liberty Commons. I was told homeowners complained to the town and got it delayed. Not sure if it was the truth but one would think that area would have been one of the first to be done.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/03/2020 - 11:07:46
Cross Street has been under siege for more than a year with no end in sight. The Town and utilities thought my utilities came in off of Cross Street despite me assuring them that the lines and my meters are in fact on Stage Harbor under my front lawn, and have been for at least 40 years.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/02/2020 - 12:43:05
I was told by sewer workers that it took so long on my road becuz the gas lines were put in the wrong place? What a mess! Go figure
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/02/2020 - 09:20:58
Several months ago on my street utility work began. The contractor discussed the scope of this work and explained it by showing me the work on the plot plan.

Using this plot plan (and by extension the plan used for digging), he indicated that my driveway was actually on my neighbor's land. On the opposite side of my plot, he indicated that this neighbor's driveway was actually on my land.

I called the town to inquire and was told not to worry as these drawings are usually "inaccurate".

Is there a correlation between this and other Town run projects?

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/02/2020 - 09:03:23
Hooray!
Hooray!
It's the first of May!
Outdoor frolicking starts today!

(RIP CM)

Love your neighbors and stay healthy!

Josh Daley <Thefirefloor@gmail.com>
CQX, MA USA - Fri 05/01/2020 - 10:01:42
Thanks; The Chronicle came today so I now know the sea scallop story. Nice article about Don St. Pierre and his contributions to the herring run over the years.
Getting summer people wet would probably not go over well these days.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/30/2020 - 16:05:47
Knowing when to duck was such fun when the floats tossing water would pass by. It was even more fun watching the expressions on those who DID NOT know to duck!!! Thanks for the memory. I'm still smiling as I type!!!!
Melissa
USA - Thu 04/30/2020 - 13:52:50
Richard, since they are free online now, look at page 14 of the newest Chronicle which has a story about it. Mentioned 1 to 1 lb bags being sold.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/29/2020 - 22:24:32
Richard - if you go online you'll find the answers to your questions.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/29/2020 - 19:46:02
What size of sea scallop bags are being sold? One size or can we bring our own container?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/29/2020 - 17:10:33
Ah, and have the fishermen fill a skiff full of water and pretend to "bail" it out, not caring where the water went. Or, have Thompson Brothers "DUKW" filled with water, then turn on the bilge pump now and then along the parade route. Lots of us knew enough to stand back from these floats - others didn't.
And the crazy car from Manson Motors! Lean back in the rear seat and the front wheels rose off the ground. Very clever, those Manson mechanics !

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/29/2020 - 15:58:36
Ah, if only we could have a summer reminiscent of the 50s and 60s....bringing Chatham back to the wonderful way it was: Atwood Store, Bearse's Grocery, Mayflower for papers and sundries, Forgeron shoes, Senter's behind the Post Office, the Sail Loft, Mark, Fore and Strike, The Swinging Basket, the Sou'Wester, the New Yorker, the Puritan ( for actual everyday clothes), Willard Nickerson's Fish Pier Market, Pates, The Wayside Inn and Howard Johnson's. Let's have a July 4th parade with a limit to the numbers of people who spectate and really celebrate those early people and traditions!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 04/29/2020 - 14:24:28
Fred: You're welcome! Btw, just saw a pic on FB of the big bags of scallop meats being sold at the pier. The PDF that I posted link for didn't make that clear about shelled vs unshelled.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 16:18:47
There is a lot to learn! Thanks for the clarification!
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 15:51:04
I asked Shareen via FB about this. The sea scallops being sold are apparently removed from shell at sea thus by time of sale, they aren't considered shellfish but fish.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 15:47:33
Scallops are unique creatures and the ones being landed and sold at Bridge Street are SEA SCALLOPS. If a scallop (be it sea or bay) boat has asked the MA. Division of Marine Fisheries for a license to sell to the public, in most cases a license is granted. The only really edible part of scallops is the adductor mussel, unlike quahogs and clams, which when eaten raw, may cause illness because of the content of their stomachs. So, it appears, Fred, as though there is a lot to learn.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 13:19:47
Along the lines of Ned and Julie.. We feel like are are 16 again.
Gas is cheap,
We cant go into a bar and drink,
People of the opposite sex are staying at a safe distance,
And we are grounded!!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 13:18:14
Strange that the BOS Chair is using FB to encourage folks to purchase scallops directly from the crew at Bridge Street...
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 10:23:53
Folks: Sorry to change the topic flow. I was thinking about Chatham in the 1960s and 1970s the other day (e.g., getting a vanilla cone with "jimmies" at the Howard Johnson's on the Rotary). Do most of the folks on the CHAT-M-Room still remember: (1) Walter and Mary Fieberkorn (Chatham Plumber); and (2) Slim Hutchins (owned the neatest old gas station the Cape). I remember them fondly from my childhood. Mary was a really sweet lady who shared her amazing raspberries and blackberries; and knitted great hats and mittens for kids. Slim's garage had some neat old cars and parts all over the place. He also had a soda machine with the side door for ice cold sodas. I seem to remember my Dad telling me that Slim had served with distinction in WWII. On a related note, Willard Nickerson sure was a classy guy (and gave a lot of kids their first jobs). Joe Nickerson was also an extraordinary man. The Chatham history and lore that he knew was second to none. Chatham has certainly attracted some cool people over the years.
Ned and Julie <edmund.w.chapman@exxonmobil.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 10:14:54
Great post Dan. I am having a hard time understanding why NONE of the Selectman told Jill to cut the budget further back. Orleans and Harwich did. The BOS just rolled over and accepted it. They should have told her to further cut it. The other item that is not sitting well with me as a tax payer is that all staff is considered "essential" and they are already paid for fulltime work while only working part time. The part I am questioning is that in addition to collecting their full time pay, they are also getting 80 hours of sick pay even though they aren't even working full time. That money (from a tax payer perspective) should go to the folks that are losing everything -- the shellfishermen, etc that are self- employed with no income. That's as bad as giving a stimulus check to those who don't need it. Who pays? The tax payer pays and that doesn't sit well with me.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 09:24:37
Unfortunately the sale of shellfish by catchers is NOT allowed "to the public" and finding a bona fide commercial buyer of quahogs, etc., may be problematic. Lobsters and crabs? Okay if the catcher is properly licensed by the State through a temporary waiver of parts of the rules. Good luck!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 09:22:50
Last night was the BOS meeting. Some of the discussions and outcomes left me confused.

As examples, how can we schedule an Annual Town Meeting at the Monomoy School gym when we do not know Governor Baker's stay at home policy subsequent to May 4th? Are we discarding prudent social distancing protocols for the "at risk" voter? How can voters, i.e the citizens of Chatham, make informed decisions when the voters don't have the basic budget information - town and school expenses and tax receipts? In these highly uncertain financial/economic times, how can the Town's 2021 budget still increase 3%?

Let's look at our neighboring community of Harwich. They are practicing excellent financial management and have a 0% budget. Why can't Chatham?

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/28/2020 - 06:33:33
Isn't the Internet great?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 17:52:29
Found a PDF on town website about this under the COVID-19 section:
Division of Marine Fisheries
https://www.chatham-ma.gov/sites/chathamma/files/uploads/permits_to_sell_catch_directly_to_the_public.pdf

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 17:31:58
Their state laws, so the town can't change it. They even have signs up at the landings reminding people of such rules.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 15:32:18
I believe I saw a FB post by Shareen Davis that some special rules now apply that allowed this for a limited time.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 14:39:00
It is illegal to sell fish and shellfish to anyone who is not a wholesale dealer.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 13:56:09
I thought it was illegal to sell fish and shellfish directly from the boat. Is there an exemption in lieu of these difficult times?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 12:28:55
Yes that gate needs to go. It makes it look like private land and people may avoid it, even walking, when they have the right to access it. It's clear the gate is on Public property.

By the way about a month ago their was a brush fire in that area and the police had to wait at the gate for the FD to unlock it. Taking precious time. They were looking for the source of the fire that could be seen from the country store.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 10:24:54
Jared, Of course you are right about the conservation restrictions. Our kids camped on that land when they were scouts. Susie, what do you want to know? We are sure you will hear from lots of people who camped there as kids. We would love to see that gate come down.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 10:02:46
Jared, the Chatham Conservation Commission (Town committee), not the Foundation (which is a private group), oversees the old Boy Scout camp land. - so it is still Town property. In fact the Boy Scouts are currently seeking use of that land for camping once again. On behalf of the Scouts, Thadd Eldredge has done major research and a group of us did attend a Conservation meeting a couple of months ago to get that long process started. (of course, all that is on hold for now.)
Am sure you would be interested in the history, maps, etc that Thadd has compiled. Know he would be happy to hear directly from those of you that actually camped there as Scouts.Thanks.

Susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 09:46:41
Yes, Alice you are right that CCF is privately owned and they can close access to their property if the choose, though they typically don't. However, when they come into ownership of a property, the conservation deed restriction is held by the Town.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Mon 04/27/2020 - 07:39:56
Jared, Conservation Foundation land is not town owned, may not understand what you are trying to say. We have seen private parties locking and unlocking the yellow gate. Maybe we need to complain to the town and see what is really going on. We do remember the town giving up its ancient way status. Looks like nobody can stop anyone from using it if they please. We have seen different cars and trucks parked along the road near the gate since it was put up. We did own some land years ago that had a power line easement. This gave them certain rights but we still owned the land, a common thing with easements. The sliver of beach was listed as a "Fishermens Landing" There was a sign on the entrance that said so. Years ago the cops used to chase us out for using the beach for swimming there. Mid 1960s. We think they finally just gave up and let us enjoy the beach. They knew they would not win . Dave Nick was Police Chief back then.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 21:55:49
Alice, I looked at the assessors maps. The area where they wanted the COA, power line right of way and most of Broken Back Hill down to the beach is Conservation Foundation or Town owned (the little sliver of beach is conservation). The conservation restrictions are held by the Town. Couple of good size lots that are privately owned, but the lion's share is Town owned.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 21:20:05
There were many deaths here during the Spanish Flu pandemic. Both sides of our families lost loved ones. We were told that 7 children who went to the South Chatham schoolhouse were lost in one night. This was told to us by the retired teacher, Hulda Howes decades ago.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 20:33:21
Since their is a special smallpox cemetery I guess that must have hit Chatham hard.
Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 19:18:32
I remember someone called lefty. But I think he was a builder who developed Riverbay.
Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 19:15:29
There was a Warren Patterson, who lived in North Chatham. About my age. His nickname was Admiral.
Not sure this is the same person. Just to be sure, he was a character.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 19:06:03
Does anyone recall the name "Lefty" Patterson? A sailor that occasionally would arrive on North Beach unexpectedly during the 1950's, often in inclement weather.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 18:33:12
Elaine:
Thank you so much for that link. I had no idea the Nickerson Park was named after a man who had died from the Spanish Flu.
All ChatMRoom visitors (men AND women) should take this very seriously unless you want a Park named after you. Like where?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 17:30:57
FYI https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5340/focus_on/3594/A-Century-Ago-Chatham-Didn't-Escape-Deadly-Spanish-Flu-Health-Historic.htm
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 17:16:08
Does anyone on this Room have any documentation about what might have happened on Cape Cod during the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic? Were folks in Chatham or Harwich or Orleans affected? Even going back to 1898, during the Spanish-American War, in the Log Books of the Old Harbor Station there is nothing different mentioned, except that the crew was on duty all summer. That was the ONLY summer that the Station was manned until the CG took over in 1915.
Stay smart and stay well.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 17:09:29
Bill P. Not sure what the town owns beyond the piece where they wanted to put the COA building. Put it this way, if I wanted to walk down that way I sure would. What can someone do to you? Broken Back Rd used to go through the power line right way all the way to Queen Ann Rd. There is a garage with apt in the middle of it now. Dan is right, the sewer line goes on the ancient way south. Steve Buckley used to be an advocate of these ancient ways and speak at BOS mtgs about them. You should contact him.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 09:26:51
Speaking of Goose Pond, about fifteen years ago, two of my friends and I were swimming at Goose. One of my friends had her two boxers with us. We were over at the beach just below the old Boy Scout camp. Ron Bergstrom and his wife were also on the little beach with their two dogs. A couple of the dogs started playing or fighting and the woman who summered in the house by the fisherman's landing was out by her little shanty and started hollering to the whole group, "Get those dogs out of here! This beach is not owned by the CITY!" My buddy Mike shouted back to her where she could go and what she could do when she got there. Ron was not upset with us or the dogs, but pretty mad with the old lady who had stuck her nose into our business. We weren't anywhere near her property line to boot.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 04/26/2020 - 09:13:59
Ben, I remember Grump Howes as a pretty good catcher.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 23:38:08
It might still be available from Middle rd northwood. I think the sewer project took the south part. It might even go right thru the fitness center
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 22:29:32
Alice, does the town still own the land. Can you legally walk or bike down there.

It connects to Goose pond and out to 137, by paths, so it's a nice MT biking area.

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 17:30:05
Ben H: I don't remember going to any of those games, but you would be hard pressed to hit a softball pitched by a female pitcher today. The ball would be delivered at speed and you would be struck out before you knew what went by you .
I know, softball and baseball are different. But these young women are showing their stuff, as well they can.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 17:04:31
Hey Dan and Gordon back to town team baseball Speight may have caught bare handed but the catcher I'll always remember was poor "Grump" Howes - Gordon and other pitchers would hold the runner close to first then the crowd would yell "there he goes" as this slow Orleans runner started heading for second base - Grump had every chance in the world to throw him out but he would launch this high arc of a lob towards second which took forever to get there so of course the runner was safe - Grump just could not throw, he threw like a girl - do you guys remember that?
Ben H
USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 15:48:13
Jared, A private party put the gate up, not the town.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 15:25:10
Bill, we were camping as Scouts on Broken Back Hill as recently as the late 90's, maybe later. There were many high school parties up there too. I'm sure the Town was tired of the illegal dumping up there and probably closed it off. I have no idea if the scouts still use it up there or not.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 15:03:22
A few years ago the town gave up its right to the ancient way known as Broken Back Rd. at Town Mtg. Don't remember the year. A man built a house on Goose Pond and uses this road as his private way. No idea how he did this or got around Conservation comm for that matter.

As far as wearing masks and gloves, we hard a man last night say on tv, "6 feet apart or 6 feet under!" He had a point.

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 15:02:49
Watching the Squire live video cam I did not see one person wearing a mask....young or old! Here in S. California, EVERYONE wears a mask at all times outside of their own homes!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 14:18:05
Broken Back road always had public access, even by vehicle. Why and on whose authority was it gated off?
Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 12:09:13
Dan, I and many of us kids back in the day used to ride mini bikes down that road.

On another topic, this is interesting. Should Chatham do this to limit infection spread?

Hundreds of folks looking to head to their summer homes in one Massachusetts beach town will likely find themselves without running water.

Officials in Salisbury are reportedly refusing to turn on water meters for more than 300 seasonal homes in an effort to keep residents home bound until the corona virus pandemic subsides.

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 12:04:31
That's the road that goes behind our building. Years ago a group of walkers tried to open that road up, when Clearance Norcross owned that building. He actually held them of with a gun. The road never reopened.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 10:27:11
Thank you both for the info. It makes sense now.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 09:35:43
I also knew it by that name too. One of those old names a lot of people probably never heard of.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 09:16:35
Jarod. Agree with Peter the grade was too steep at the spur you're referring to and the "right of way" was never cleared as wide as the rest of the line.. Also I've always heard it called Broken Back Rd.
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 09:09:58
Peter, I will email you the map that I was looking at. I am not sure if the spur was something proposed but never built or was a space for a train to pull off to clear the main line into Town. You can take a look for yourself. It shows the track running behind what is now the junkyard, along a short section of what is now Middle Rd, and up the old dirt road to the Boy Scout camp where it ends behind present day Goose Pond Rd off the dump rd.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 08:44:51
You are so right Dan. Joe was quite a guy..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 08:40:29
Jared Fulcher Goose pond road is the ancient road that is shown on our map.
The road is 1 1/2 rods wide and I feel might be to steep for trains.
Old maps had the name-Goose pond road- listed but somehow stopped being listed.
Hope this helped.

peter skipper <peterskipper@comcast.net>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/25/2020 - 06:53:29
Gordan, was it spieght that caught bare handed for the town team. Can,t control my keyboard
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 22:25:39
Gordan, was it spiegh that caught bare handed for the town team
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 22:24:15
Gordan, was it spight that caught bare handed for the town team
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 22:23:14
Does anyone here recall knowing about a spur rail line that ran from the South Chatham depot, up across where George Skipper's is, up by the old Boy Scout Camp and ending near Goose Pond. Saw this on a map and was looking for clarification.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 22:02:31
One more brag item..... I also pitched for the Chatham High School in 1949 and I was the winning pitcher. We won The lower Cape Championship. Prior to that Merrill Doane pitched the High School to the Championship in 1924... 25 Years between championships !! WOW !!!!
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 21:41:09
I am going to brag right here...... I pitched for the Chatham Town Team in 1949 so there !!!!!
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 21:27:29
It's a shame that the league has taken this decision. For the college Sr., they will probably move on to Class A, AA, etc. For the younger players they most likely will look forward to Fall Ball.

Note
The Cape Cod League had moved into a decisive position, over the last 10 years against the Alaska League. I do not think the latter has taken a decision for 2020 yet. Many players liked going up to Alaska, however over the past 5 years, the Cape League had won out big time. Player had to make decisions as to where they would play

If the Alaska league plays in 2020, I only hope that this will not have an impact on the 2021 season for the Cape League in terms of quality of player coming back.

Heck, I remember the days of Thurman Munson and Carlton Fisk on the cape fields

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 20:56:43
Just one more for us SHUTINS Hope you enjoy folks .. https://youtu.be/QV7EsL3H8Bw
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 20:21:35
https://youtu.be/Kw3aTZNcWAE To all those prisoners out there .
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 19:40:00
Donald T told me to do it and now I am peeing bubbles !!!!!!
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 19:27:14
That news just showed up about 20 minutes ago on MSNBC. That shows how important the league really is in the USA.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 16:52:10
That was probably a tough decision, as it affects so many people on the Cape and elsewhere. Might have something to do with the fact that the players come from all across the country, and who knows which state or states will have this virus under control in another month, if then.
The Canada Geese at Eldredge Field in Orleans are loving the solitude they have, and the greening up grass they get to eat.
Are there geese tending at Veterans Field in Chatham?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 16:46:06
No baseball in Chatham this year Cape Cod baseball league has cancelled the games this year
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/24/2020 - 15:57:17
Heads up shell fisherman and other 1099 workers who can't work because of Covid 19 shutdown.

You can now apply for PAU unemployment. As long as you got a 1099.

https://www.mass.gov/how-to/apply-for-pandemic-unemployment-assistance

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 20:57:16
Good news for cohog harvesters, and fishermen: lots of people will be relying on local shellfish, etc to get through these times when pork and beef are not available..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 17:47:06
Thanks John. Good explanation of the situation.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 17:27:17
Bob: From a site I found: "If you enter passwords, provide credit card numbers, or receive sensitive financial data over the connection, the encryption ensures no one can eavesdrop on what's being sent or alter the data packets while they're travelling between your device and the website's server."

Since none of those type situations apply to this site, I felt the need for making it 'secure' wasn't there. And it may have changed, but you had to pay a fee to make it secure and given the idea of keeping costs as low as possible, that didn't make sense to me.

There's also no downloading of apps or programs via this site which is another type of activity that would need to be secure.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 09:47:42
Thanks Judy. I suspect that John H will respond with an in-depth explanation. Thus far, over the long history of this room, I have had zero problems attributable to the site.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 07:50:37
My error - sorry Bob. It basically means the info we post is not private. If we put up a credit card on the site it would not be safe. If you assume nothing is safe you post - you'll be fine.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 07:36:58
Yes, I meant the CHAT-M-Room. Now I'd like to see, or hear, in layman's terms, what NOT SECURE really means.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/23/2020 - 06:58:28
Judy : Given that Bob said "this site" and in Safari browser on iPad, in the address bar, it clearly shows 'Not Secure', and I know the technical background on site, I am reasonably sure it's the Chat-M-Room.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/22/2020 - 21:36:00
John - I believe he was talking about the town/Board of Health website
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/22/2020 - 21:19:23
Yes, it's true that this site isn't available as a secure or HTTPS vs plain HTTP because I don't/didn't want to spend the extra money to lease a certificate. But...given that this site has NO need for exchange of financial information or even passwords, it (so far) has NO effect. It may in future because some browsers are changing their rules and if it becomes an issue, I will look into it.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/22/2020 - 19:31:40
Not sure how you accessed it but when I went there it's secure.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/22/2020 - 18:56:25
Why is this website "Not Secure?"
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/22/2020 - 17:04:32
Just watched the Board of Health meeting from 4/13, sounds like Chatham decided not to share the info that updates the map, just the state info and when ever they update the website
mikes <michael.sisson@nextcorps.org>
Rochester, NY USA - Wed 04/22/2020 - 13:17:23
Bill -I just find that to be a waste of tax payers dollars. No need for testing at this time.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 20:22:44
Lights are off now. Probably just testing them.
Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 20:19:06
INMHO, sports are going to have to take a serious back seat to this threat to our usual way of doing business. This country has been for too long entertaining itself, rather than try ing to take care of the regular folks who don't have access to basic health care.
There must be a huge bunch of Chatham people who don't know how they will pay their bills, or how they will buy food if they don't have a job.
Used to be that scratching cohogs was a way to get by. Not sure the elderly can do this anymore or if there are that many mercenaria mercenaria (some notata) to go around.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 19:45:32
Why are the baseball lights on? I thought we are in lock down.
Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 19:04:56
The Chatham website was last updated Friday 4/17/20 with 8 Covid cases. It's now Tuesday evening. The State BOH updates daily and is accessible to Bob Duncanson and Judith Giorgio. They don't have to wait for the weekly public report. Rather than having to speculate about what the current numbers are, It would be helpful if we had information more recent than 4 days ago. If there are no new cases, simply have it say 4/21/20- 8 cases. It would take about 5 minutes to update.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 18:06:05
Fred: Two possibility's - 1) no change in numbers thus update not needed 2) updates only released to public on weekly basis
Without knowing which actual cause is, hard to make your conclusion.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 12:28:23
At Pleasant Bay, what about the staff, how are they doing?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 12:04:42
Another example of town leadership choosing to not communicate in a timely manner with residents. Shameful!
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 11:48:32
Chatham on their website shows 8 cases as of the 17th which is apparently last update.

On statewide level, charts and details at
https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-april-20-2020/download

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 10:34:09
I would seriously question the accuracy of any numbers released at this point. My experience reflects that comment.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 10:13:35
Anyone now why Chatham never shows any reports?

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=61440bc35cb6426daf1fb5bbaf116b55&extent=-8040748.7327%2C5012947.5277%2C-7640830.2007%2C5250208.0635%2C102100

mikes <michael.sisson@nextcorps.org>
Rochester, NY USA - Tue 04/21/2020 - 06:41:16
I am very concerned with the report tonight that two thirds of the residents at Pleasant Bay Nursing Home have tested positive for COVID-19. 60 of 92 residents tested positive. Frightening news.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/20/2020 - 23:05:27
That thinking is SO old and SO Wrong. You may be a carrier and don't know it and put others in danger! Please stay away from the rest of us.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/19/2020 - 21:35:40
Maybe they were getting takeout food. Squire and others offer it.

No reason people can't go for a walk. Wear a mask if you are sick. Save the masks for the health care people.

"There's little harm in it," Eric Toner, a scientist at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. "But it's not likely to be very effective in preventing it."

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/19/2020 - 19:16:51
Driving through Chatham, heading to the "Lights" with the windows up is one thing; walking the streets maskless in abject rejection of strong public health recommendations is another. Could they legally go to Oyster Pond, or Hardings Beach and self distance themselves there? I totally understand why folks want to get out of their confines, but this is a HUGE health problem.
As a former Navy Corpsman aboard the USS Intrepid in 1965, I can't imagine what the medical crew of the Roosevelt must have been through already.
The fact that the first fatality was a Navy Chief Petty Officer is scary. I would have thought it would be one of the men who are berthed closer together than the Chiefs.
Been there..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/19/2020 - 17:51:27
I just watched the Squire video cam for about 15 minutes to be shocked to see not one person wearing a mask! Lots of sidewalk closeness, lots of cars and motorcycles going by closed stores and restaurants. Who can say the air is sterile? Why come to CHATHAM? Here in CA everyone is abiding by the rules...masks, gloves, staying home and sanitizing everything. We are way ahead in this fight. I yearn for my ancestral home and roots, but I fear the virus will be continually be brought into Town by people from away with no regard for the rest of us.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/19/2020 - 14:12:43
I appreciate that Ben H. I am so terribly sorry about the death of your friend. The randomness and speed of this virus, and why some people are asymptomatic and others hit so hard, makes it even more scary and heartbreaking. But the good news is there are plenty of things within our control that we CAN do to make this time easier, and share with each other every way we can. We are tough and resourceful.

So while I'm at it, this request is to those 30%-50% of the people out and about in Chatham this past week who still refuse to cover their faces in public- particularly in stores providing essential services. It's incredibly thoughtless, and dangerous for the rest of us. And that goes for some town staff who should be setting an example. Everyone needs to get with the program or it won't work. No one's immune. This isn't a vacation-it's a war- and this virus doesn't care that you don't care.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/19/2020 - 10:21:10
Hey Elaine I don't know you but I admire your character. Please continue to tell it like it is - my flight training co-pilot and best friend for 60 years went from good health to COVID to respirator to death (today) in just two weeks. It's very real - Personally I'm scared so it helps to talk about it. Let me know if this helps you - I love my Chatham connection.
Ben H
USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 20:36:28
Alan can not seam to get a point across without writing a book about it.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 14:08:00
Sometimes a simple apology is best.

Advice for Alan, you should have just posted this, IMO.

" I am sorry the "slippers" comment "

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 13:15:39
You're very welcome Alice. It's an intimidating process. A Go-Bag list saves time when time may be critical, and knowing what to expect at the hospital makes it a little less frightening for the patient and family. What I didn't mention- before letting anyone into the ER they required the patient go through the exterior tent for Covid testing first. I assume that's still the procedure.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 10:45:12
Elaine, Your post about what to expect if you go to CCHER was a real eye opener. I think most of us would forget the things you listed like a laptop, favorite things like slippers, phone charger, laptop charger and so on. This was a true service to the community. Frankly, we never looked at a trip to the ER that way! The idea of being kept away from loved ones may be needed but not comfortable when you have been married for 50 years!! Thanks Again!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 09:15:21
Dear Elaine:
Last evening I left this site and my home, on what I thought was a positive note only to come back to a mess where I was involved. Over time, I have observed many posts by you and I have never lost my respect or admiration for yourself. And yes, despite some out of left field comment, indeed I did not know you in my high school days, although you do linger in memory as you were so much more a better student than myself. And yes over 50 years, indeed I never met you, today either. I am sorry the "slippers" comment was taken as it was, from the bottom of my heart, it was made in the sheer context of loyalty. Loyalty in the sense that we did come out of the same high school, a position I would have taken, no matter who my school mate was. We came from the same roots and I would wish to run to them, not away from them
Having suffered the virus early on, please know, I always understood I was no expert and only wished to be a conduit for what I saw and observed myself.
So when I hold up the mirror and look at the breaths and depths of my goals in this case, I must have fallen very short on this one.

Like most fathers of our time, my father was a soldier in WWII and he wished for one thing from myself, he taught me the resolve of loving this countries people more than certainly we would love ourselves, no matter who they are or what they say. Have I been able to live up to this-not always, but I do my damdist to do so.
Thank you
PS Please take John out of this his I have found his character to by far beyond most

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 09:05:40
Thank you for the information on protection schemes for utility poles, Richard. The Osmose site was enlightening and answers a number of questions. I'm sure Eversource spent considerable effort analyzing costs, benefits and environmental impact.
Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 06:31:46
John, I didn't ask you to weigh in with your opinion . Let me be clear. For the record, I do not know Alan Wirsul despite what you have apparently been led to believe by him. The fact that we were apparently in the same high school class of 350 students more than 50 years ago is not any kind of a relationship by anyone's definition. If you actually think that the slipper comment from a veritable stranger to a woman he does not know, about an innocent suggestion I made for people going to the hospital, was a "concession" and an "offer of kindness", I'm not explaining it to you.

You didn't see the need to reprimand him for continuing to give medical advice or when he accused me of "specious arrogance and sophisticated chicanery". But I'm hostile. Seems like a double standard to me. An attempt to get accurate information out to those who visit this room about something very serious that affects every one of us and is time sensitive is exhausting. This is apparently not the place for serious conversations about critically important issues facing our community. That's too bad.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/18/2020 - 00:39:56
Elaine: Actually, based on all the recent comments by you and Alan, I thought that Alan's concession and civility to you in his last post was completely appropriate and treating an offer of kindness with hostility doesn't improve your position.

As to Wayne's comments, there was NO definition of what he meant and doesn't automatically (to me) imply anything other than two people know each other which falls within my broad definition of a relationship. But I'll let you and him resolve that one.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 22:24:07
I find both Alan Wirsul's and Wayne's comments totally inappropriate.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 21:43:26
What makes me think that Alan and Elaine have a relationship? Or did.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 21:12:14
From "He or A previous Poster"
Elaine, you have the last word, I have a volunteer assignment I must go to. But know that if you ever needed your slippers, I would go to the end to get them to you.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 19:52:16
Thanks Richard! Well said and good to know.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 19:13:30
Yes, I do know the reason for those brown sleeves around utility poles. They are inserted in to the ground at some depth to provide a "splint" if you will, to make the pole stronger and not have to be replaced. You can go online to the Osmose site and see how and why they do it. You will also find the rationale for drilling holes near the bottom of the poles to insert =various chemicals in to the wood. I even saw poles in Hawaii that had been treated this way.
Glad to be of service and not add to any ongoing hard feelings. Presumably the brown paint makes the sleeve not shiny for oncoming traffic.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 16:53:26
A previous poster wrote of me "Specious arrogance or sophisticated chicanery, and so I say Elaine you have equivocated your point(s). There must be a happiness for you".

I have absolutely no idea what that means but I don't think it's a compliment, what Vidu is, or what any of it has to do with protocols in place in Massachusetts for diagnosing Covid, and don't care. I do care when assumptions are made about the Cape's current healthcare situation or procedures as if fact, or advice is given based on experience with doctors in New Jersey. It could make the difference in getting timely treatment, and that is my concern.

In anticipation of being called a phony, imperious, worldly trickster again I am going to try this once more. Procedures have changed dramatically over the last month, so everyone should have a plan in the event of sickness. As directed by the Town, State Board of Health and the CDC, if you become ill call your physician with your symptoms. A Covid test may be ordered by your doctor and you'll be directed to a testing site-CCCC or CCH. If you can't get through to your physician, call the Fire Department for guidance, or head to the Cape Cod Hospital ER.

Once registered in the ER lobby regardless of your medical symptoms, you'll be required to wait in your car until called inside. My advice-bring your phone charger, computer and favorite slippers with you, as NO ONE will be allowed inside the hospital with you, or to visit if you're admitted. Once you go through those doors you will be on your own for the duration. Depending on the diagnosis it could be hours, days or weeks.

Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 16:29:02
Wayne, I was wondering the exact same. They did the pole at the end of my driveway. I've been watching these crews for months, up and down the outer Cape. They blast the hell out of the metal covering with brown spray paint, so much in fact that one of their white utility trucks has a nice light brown top coat.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 16:21:00
Not to change the subject, but, does anyone know why they put the brown metal armor on the utility poles? Also why did they only do some and not all?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 14:11:33
Thanks Ben and Alice. My laugh for today! I'm doing much better!
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 14:10:11
Another note. Ocean State has plenty of gloves in all sizes if you need them.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 13:50:07
"Not wishing to argue anymore" but I will because I am literal so here is my literal response "Had you said the latter statement earlier"
Still trying to figure it all out or why any of us should care about some past misunderstanding
Anyway welcome back Judy so happy to learn you are OK .. that's what really matters to all of us on here

Ben H
USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 12:58:25
Just got back from East Harwich Stop and Shop. Not very many people which was great! Plenty of wipes near the carts to clean them. Still used face mask and gloves. Sanitizer after the gloves came off and again after groceries were put away. The price we pay for being in a high risk group!
Judy, glad to see you are back and able to post! Had heard in the wind you had been ill.

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/17/2020 - 11:42:23
Latest update for those Chathamites who might frequent the Orleans Stop and Shop:
Only entrance is at the West end. There is a person sitting at the entrance with a laptop, presumably keeping the max number of people in the store to a predetermined level; the arrows that were on the floors to direct traffic several days ago are gone; seafood section is non existent; there were no disinfectant wipes available at the entrance. I found them handy to wipe down the handle on a basket or cart when entering.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 15:55:08
Judy - Not wishing to argue any more but your 12:34pm post actually did not repeat what you said at 11:50am, but changed it significantly from "no testing for Chatham either. Fact" to "no specific testing site for any specific town". Had you said the latter statement earlier, it would have been much clearer what you meant and some posts could have been avoided, including this one.
And neither I nor Alan's paraphrased CCT statements said that it was specifically limited to those towns but apparently available to them at that time. Yes, it's semantics but it does make a difference in some cases.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 14:44:46
"If you hang around the barber shop long enough, eventually you will catch a break" To Judy/Elaine Dan-John, I enjoy what you put up here.

First, Judy I very sorry you caught the virus and I sincerely hope you are feeling better now. Unfortunately you had a negative experience in getting tested. Please still note, of the Cape Cod Times article on March 23, much of the info is still applicable today, including John's findings of this Morning. While I have the greatest respect for the CDC, the FDA, the NIH etc. one can look around and even the "experts" are having difficulty. Did you rely on these organizations to get treatment-I do not think so. I will not say more.

Second: I knew immediately, that whatever I responded with to the question of as where I was getting my info from that I would immediately be facing, call it whatever you wish, from the persons asking-Specious arrogance or sophisticated chicanery. I actually thought about not responding, as I knew I would jeopardise myself. And so I say, Elaine you have equivocated your point(s). There must be a happiness for you.
On my own journey, I recognize that, one cannot own truth, it has become more of a science of satisfaction. On this site and I am sure that John does not wish it to be this way (and John thanks for your comments as they were 100% right on), one can experiences contempt instead of respect.
In my life, I use my own amalgamation of separate experiences to take risks and this is the core of the person I am, sometimes I do not take enough. Humility is not in vogue. A Vidu shop I went into, years ago in New Orlean La,suggested that I know the difference between Happiness and joy, Joy is not a choice,it occurs when you break a sweat to get to that point

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 14:36:22
HI John, That testing site has been available since the getgo. It is not specifically for any town. It does require a doctor's note as you said. Repeating what I said earlier - there is no specific testing site for any specific town. Once again - there's so much unknown about this - we'd do best leaving this subject to the experts.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 12:34:51
Judy - So wanting a definite answer, I called Chatham EOC. There's a testing site at Cape Cod Community College that is and has been open to Chatham folks with a doctors note/request. So there's been and is testing available. Just because you didn't meet the criteria, doesn't make it unavailable.
Hopefully you're doing ok as while we disagree often, you contribute to this site.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 12:22:28
Just a comment to add - I went to Urgent Care twice - - starting at the end of March. The second time was a virtual visit in the parking lot. The doctor at the second time "thought" I may have it. I was prescribed an antibiotic which was useless. I emailed Town officials several times because someone close to me had it. I was told I did not meet the testing requirements of someone that had COVID-19. NO where would test me for it. One week later I was hospitalized with a confirmed diagnosis. Just saying - - no testing available and Elaine is correct in saying procedures in place back in March are not the same ones being followed today. There is too much misinformation out here and we should just stick to our Chatham discussions.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 12:01:11
John - there is no testing for Chatham either. Fact.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 11:50:51
Judy P. - Nowhere did Alan say there was a testing site IN Chatham; he wrote FOR Chatham.

Others - He was relaying what he knew and never claimed it was current info. Maybe he should have given citation references in earlier posts but given how quickly things change, valid info can be obsolete in hours.

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 11:45:30
1- Covid-19 tests are NOT being done in Massachusetts on asymptomatic individuals. I believe that is the case nationwide. 2-At this time private physicians on the Cape are only being permitted to do virtual appointments, so they would not be in a position to either do a test or take anyone's temp.

3-Procedures in place on March 23 are not necessarily in place today. The prudent course is to follow the Massachusetts Board of Health directive: if you feel sick call your physician with your symptoms. You will be advised what to do depending on the nature and severity of the symptoms- self quarantine, referred to the appropriate location for testing, or sent to the ER. If you can't get through to your doctor, call your Fire Department for guidance.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 11:15:40
There is absolutely no testing site in Chatham. FACT.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 10:55:26
I already knew about the testing site in Wellfleet, but I can't go there to be tested without symptoms, and the referral. That is where I usually go for medical issues, but not for some time to come I expect.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 10:26:11
Good Morning:
If you are looking to say I "got you" ok. I indicated in a indirect way the testing site was in Eastham, it is actually in Wellfleet- Sorry. Never-the-less, it was specifically reported by this news outlet (cape Cod Times) on March 23, 2020 at about 7:00PM titled "30 Cases of Covid..." (for all you googlers Cape Cod Times-Coronovirus-Wellfleet), you should be able to capture the info. And yes, the article reports a drive thru site with limited capabilities (as test materials were short at this time). It also clearly indicates this drive thru site is the only one for the lower cape and that to be tested, you will need a referral from a Dr.who is affiliated with the Cape Cod Health Organization

This newspaper also reported (and I did not go back and review-I just do not have the time- that Barnstable County was indeed given some $34,000+ for Isolating and Identifying the Virus-I may have used a different term and it may have been presented in a bar graph against all other Ma counties granted funds by the state.

And Yes, I have made suggestions as well, like testing for antibodies, but I do not think a final conclusion has been made. I am sure that most are looking at nucleic acids, RNA, and probably the right protein to target the C-19. All of which is known, but getting the quickest and best test is the key parameter.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 09:57:58
Yes, please tell us where this information came from.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/16/2020 - 07:23:52
Alan where exactly are you getting your information from about testing criterisa and procedures on Cape Cod and Massachusetts?
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/15/2020 - 22:06:25
Richard:
There is a test site established already, only one at this point for Harwich, Chatham, Orleans and Brewster and it is in your town. It' more a matter of getting people to go there. If one exhibits Temp, cough etc, you can go to the Dr. either to get your "permission slip" to be tested or perhaps you might even be tested in the Dr.'s office. Most Drs I know, will take your temp first, if it's up, your out

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/15/2020 - 19:33:56
We are all potential victims of the virus. What the country needs is a universal way to check all hands to see if they are afflicted or not. Then, we can go about our business.
Which branch of government can ensure that all hands will be tested? Can the Town of Chatham set up a test site? Or Eastham?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/15/2020 - 17:40:49
Is the Chronicle website a victim of Covid-19? It seems to be down more than up lately.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/15/2020 - 08:39:22
Sorry to hear of Nancy Whiteley passing. She was a wonderful lady, neighbors for years and she and Tommy raised a good family that contributed to the community for years.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/14/2020 - 16:53:18
We have good memories of Joe as well. He was always ready to talk no matter where we met up. We think sewer work should stop too. Just saw 2 cops on 137 standing right next to each other only about a foot apart. Also, if the virus stays in a ,machine and another operator jumps in and starts using it they stand a good chance of being picking up a virus that may have been left by the previous user or users. This goes for all the equipment they use right down to moving traffic cones.
On another subject, work is underway clearing the Dubis pit on Middle Rd for the solar farm.
Judy, glad to see you back too!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/14/2020 - 11:36:11
Sorry to hear about Joe Buckley. He was as fine a gentleman as could be. R.I. P. Joe
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 22:09:14
The town needs to plan for an 80% reduction in food, beverage and room tax. Also beach parking revenue. Sewer work is still on going, why? Pause it all until we know the damage.
Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 20:11:20
Great comments Dan. Totally in agreement with you. Time for the spending spree to end. We certainly don't need more employees added to the payroll either!
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 20:07:54
I listened to the BOS meeting tonight. One agenda item was the 2021 Budget and funding priorities. While no action was taken nor ranking of projects discussed, there was however much concern as to the Town's collection of tax receipts. A budget can not be finalized and voted on at a June Town Meeting if the tax receipts can not reasonable be determined.

Also, budget reduction numbers have been requested from Town Department Heads but not yet received. What are these numbers? Will there be "shared sacrifice" as what is now occurring in the private sector? Does the Town Manager really need to hire another assistant?

Succinctly, we don't know revenue and we don't know expenses.

In today's environment, there is too much uncertainty surrounding resolution of complex Covid19 issues - health, safety, legislative, financial, etc.

It appears to me we are rushing to get things done when we do not have facts.

Let's delay the Annual Town Meeting to the Fall so we can eliminate as much uncertainty as possible and thus have a well informed voter.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 19:36:50
Sorry to hear about Joe! I grew up across the street. He was in my Mother's class in school. Nice guy, neat guy. Always good to me. Judy, great to see you up and posting! Richard, it was a soda bottle, coke I think but that is a long story. Saw Joe out for a walk about three weeks ago but that is another long story.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 19:32:48
I don't think that's an appropriate comment at this time.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 19:16:22
Was he the son of Joe Buckley , Sr. who died from ingesting some poisonous chemicals from a beer bottle in his refrigerator? Sorry to be so cruel, but that is what I had heard as a kid.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 18:53:30
Sorry to hear Joe Buckley passed away today. Condolences to the family.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 18:00:21
Obviously, some spell checker program doomed my original spelling of gangions, which I didn't catch.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 17:25:00
Picture this: The time is the off season, the site is the middle stall at the Chatham Fish Pier, the weather is like it is today. Breezing up. The wood stove is kept running by Wharfinger Gene Eldredge, using old wood fish boxes for fuel. The men are Chatham trawl fishermen. Some from Nova Scotia. Like Snarley Joe Stapleton, who got his name from being able to clear snarls in his gear. There are others, all working on either mending their trawl lines or rigging new. Attaching new ganglions every 6 feet to the ground line.
A sudden increase in the wind causes the East facing doors to rattle. One of the men says "There she moderates" as they all keep to their work. As a boy the late 40's, early 50's. we were to keep quiet and listen.
I did learn some new words, but their work ethic stuck with me.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 17:00:16
Forgive me, this is for those who care about the future, it has definite meaning

SARs-CoV-2 is the official name or the Coronavirus that causes Covid-19

Chatham and its surrounding towns Harwich, Brewster, and Orleans can be doing much more with this pandemic and I get the feeling they are not. These communities are not straddled (at least not yet) with other high risk areas in the country. Last week Barnstable County was given state aid of approx. $34,000 for basically surveillance transmission testing. Has Chatham received or have the town(s) officials requested any money from the county? How significant is this being actually carried out?
Science is using Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) a technology now being taught in the nations better Chemistry High School Classes, to test for the Covid 19 virus. It is very reliable and specific. That is of course, once the field samples are provided to a hospital or like Quest labs. It is down to the molecular level and it is targeting the RNA.
But as more becomes known, many people infected with the virus either do not show symptoms at all or only mild conditions like a dry cough or fever (could be as much as 80%). This portion of the pop. will not test positive. This last thought is the reason Gov't suddenly decided to impose "mask wearing."
What seems to be even more important now, is to be blood sampling the population for antibodies to the virus. By knowing the populations antibody concentrations, one can understand the possibilities for spreading the virus. As long as the test sites are looking for the virus why not do both at the same time. This data could be extremely useful as knowing about the spread of the virus, could get the folks back to work again. MY guess, none of this is occurring!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 04/13/2020 - 12:01:56
To All:
Humbly we pray, in fullness of charity,let no one be left behind, have a joyous and solemnity Easter. Happy Easter

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 04/12/2020 - 14:03:04
I was able to get some TP today at S&S. Although their was only about 8 left. Only 1 per person. Lots of tissues though.

Here's a hint, if their is non left try the self checkout area. They had a few their set aside that people were not allowed to buy.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/12/2020 - 10:51:11
Barbara, I have your Dad's copy of Chapman's seamanship manual. His address label is on the inside cover as well as a personal inscription which reads, "Like hell it's yours, put it back."
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 04/11/2020 - 14:05:28
Des was one of my favorite people and I can just imagine the "goings on" when he and my Dad were working together for Donald Stevenson. Too bad there wasn't a hidden tape recorder near them as I just know the stories they told were epic!
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 23:21:16
Barbara, Please understand, all of the young boys who sold Desi quahogs loved him. He loved telling us VERY tall tales. There was always just enough truth in them to make them believable to us. Sometimes when we asked our parents if they were true, we got into trouble for asking. That made Desi laugh all the more!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 22:22:13
Barbara, it was just one of those things called accidents
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 21:49:50
The male half of this team knew your dad well. I was just a kid back then and if I was told who the bet was with it has passed from memory. Nobody said he was stupid but would rather not elaborate on what I was told at the time. Remember the cartoon he had on the wall at the Cultured Clam buying shanty at Oyster River when he worked for them buying shellfish and what it said? I do.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 21:47:31
Alice, I'd be curious to know who that bet was with. My Dad, Des, was not a stupid man and it would have been a losing bet because he knew the truck wouldn't fit under the roof and he could have damaged the truck. Not saying there wasn't a bet but one on my father's favorite expressions, and he had many, was measure twice, cut once. Just as a footnote, I was not living in Chatham at the time but it happened on the day my mother and sister were out shopping for my sister's wedding dress.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 20:40:59
Nothing like that happened on our walks from 220 Old Harbor Road to the school. Even in the worst weather, for 12 years, the bus would go by and not pick us Ryder kids up (or Verne Hunt or John Pratt or Anne Doane, or the Bassett kids ) as we lived too close to the school. Not sure about Jimmy or Charlie Cardoza, who lived off Bar Cliff A=venue.
Made us better for it.
Saved up money from caddying and mowing lawns and bought a new bike to get there, and to jobs further afield. Never rode a school bus until I got to be the score keeper for the CHS basketball team. Then I rode to away games, like Provincetown High, on the bus.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 17:25:21
Who remembers the time Desi Eldredge bet somebody he could drive an Old Harbor Fish truck under the drive up roof of the Bank on 28 near the lights just before the old Friendlys ? He lost the bet. He pushed the roof right off. I remember seeing it riding on the school bus on my way to school.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 15:43:28
Dan. I am keenly aware of the effects this will have on so many businesses and famiies.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 10:40:10
Richard, just wondering what essential activity forced you to drive from Eastham to downtown Chatham? Perhaps it's a ghost town because the majority of folks are thoughtful and considerate citizens.
Herb
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/10/2020 - 08:03:56
Richard, this is going to be tough on alot of people and businesses
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/09/2020 - 21:47:14
Does anyone remember the ad that said "Sold out to Raymonds"? It was a Boston discount retailer I thnk.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/09/2020 - 17:06:22
I purposefully made that statement, shows to go you, etc. Just goofing around. We need all the levity we can muster.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/09/2020 - 16:58:21
Driving down the Main Street of Chatham this afternoon, it seemed like a ghost town. Just shows to go you that there are NO essential businesses in downtown Chatham. OK, maybe Ben Franklin store is open. Not sure.
With the CBI and the Wequasset closed, there are no big spenders around.
Can't imagine anyone who is not adversely affected by this virus.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/09/2020 - 16:50:22
Pal Jennings was Mr. Sales' private pilot for many years. When he left Chatham he moved to California and ran a Lear Jet flight simulator - the only one on the west coast for many years. His son, Guy became a private pilot, Captain for Reba McEntire for several years then flying for Net Jets, flying G4's.
Ron Farris
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/09/2020 - 10:03:23
Doctor Keene was a wonderful role model for us boys in the Scouts. He was benevolent to boys who might need to earn a little money by hiring therm to rake leaves, cut wood, etc. He also had a camp on Greenland Pond in Brewster, where we'd go as a group. Lots of fun. He taught us a little ditty called " It's a good thing cows don't fly down in Mobile".
The causeway, or "dike", to Stage and Morris Islands was built around 1956. Prior to that, we used a scow (probably from Des Eldredge) to bring back metal parts for sale as scrap from the various junk cars on the island. We also collected newspapers from folks around town and sold them. There were stored, up to the ceiling, in the railroad depot building until that was deemed unsafe.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/07/2020 - 12:27:08
My brother LOVED that slot car track under Coach & Four.
Melissa
USA - Tue 04/07/2020 - 12:21:56
To Ned & Julie Chapman - Re your post of 4/6: Marconi's involvement with Chatham was brief. He had the station in Chatham Port built in 1914 as part of a global network of point-to-point wireless stations. To our knowledge, it was the last such station built and the only one that survives intact, thanks to the efforts of the town and dedicated volunteers. We think he might have visited the site, but haven't found proof. As we jokingly say, "Marconi never slept here." There's more info at ChathamMarconi.org, and I will separately send you some additional contact info.
Bob Fishback <robertef45@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/07/2020 - 11:58:57
As far as we can remember, the first slot car track was in Harwichport. Cant remember the name of the place. Not sure if the South Chatham track or Pal Jennings track came next. Used to race on the weekends a lot in Harwichport. Pretty big groups of kids gathered there. We could spend an afternoon going through races till it came down to the last race of 3 or 4 to get to a winner. In other news, it looks like the BOS are leaning towards delaying all but the most needed capital expenditures until better times. We think voters will agree. Ken was an old time butcher, real old school. He would pluck and dress ducks and geese and cut up deer for local people. Really great guy. Started Havens Meat Market. A couple of times when we were young we saw Doc Keenes' Model A being brought to Inward Point on Monomoy [where he had a camp]by scow over the water while we were on our way to the Common Flats. Fun memories.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/07/2020 - 10:13:01
The slot car race shop PAL's was operated by Pal Jennings. Spent a lot of time in there.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/07/2020 - 07:27:25
Jim, Very good point!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 22:27:52
The inside track that was in the now gift shop was put together by Ken Mckilvan. There were alot of guys that used that track for several years when slot car racing was popular in the late 60's early 70's. I think I still have some of the old cars we raced. It was. Across from the Village Hall
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 22:16:52
Hey Alice and John - all I remember is Ruth Haven and the delicious roast beef sandwiches (help me out as to where Ken fits) As for Doc Keene, never forget him roaring up to Ministers Point in that station wagon to save a young girl's life - she had been rescued from near drowning by old Mr Kidder who had moved her from his row boat to a flat wooden door but she wasn't breathing until Doc got there and took over - real excitement for a young kid - Doc was truly a man for all seasons - John, when it comes to the military,I'm not about to accept your request (and I'd like to think Jim isn't either)- I enjoy Richard Ryder's many great recollections about the navy and USCG on here - whenever I think I can add to it, I will - BTW interesting to see two fellow graduates, one SECNAV and one former CO Roosevelt, leading the news tonight with POTUS now promising to review the whole matter. Got to be of some interest to Chatham.
Ben H
USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 20:23:46
I trust your recollections. Just born too soon, I was, although I at 80 have memories that some of you younger folks would appreciate, having known them as I did.

Sister Nancy went through the depression living with her grandmother on School Street. Brother John came in a close second, having lived his first months in Indianapolis, IN. Keep in mind that our Dad and Mom traveled across country in a Model A that Dad bought from his mother Rebecca. Nancy's baby bottles were heated on the manifold, as they traveled from Chatham to IN in December.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 19:28:11
Pal's had a slot car track in the lower level where Sandi's dinner was now rooming place for summer help.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 18:45:34
A slot car track? Indoors? I thought it was mostly VW Beetles that were racing in West and South Chatham.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 17:49:38
There was a big track set up in South Chatham across from the Village Hall
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 17:41:11
Wait! Wasn't there an ice cream shop named Pal's, in Orleans? Near where the Sunoco station is?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 17:25:21
That race car rental place must have been after I left Chatham for the USN in 1959. I would have frequented it, had I known of it.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 17:22:17
I remember the race car store. I think it was called Pal's.I also think that later on on moved to the Mid-Cape area.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 15:18:25
Bill P: I remember that place. You gained access from the back lot, right? I was a real nipper at the time, however, my older brother Billy took me there a few times. Nice recall on your part. I had forgotten about that place. From a small kid's perspective, it seemed that those small cars were going 100 MPH.
Ned and Julie Chapman <edmund.w.chapman@exxonmobil.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 15:00:16
Howdy CHAT-M-Room Folks: Hope that all goes well with you and yours. We noted that a second person in Chatham apparently contracted COVID-19. Sorry to hear about that. Please keep us posted on Chatham Charities/ folks that need help as this Pandemic unfurls. On a totally different topic, now that I finished most of the Joseph Lincoln books, I'm reading a book called "Thunderstruck" by Erik Larson. It tells the tale of Guglielmo Marconi and the advancement of wireless communications and interweaves it with an infamous UK murder of the time. It's a good read. In any event, they discuss Chatham, Wellfleet and St.John's, Newfoundland a bunch in the book. Does anyone know the specific history of Marconi's relationship with Chatham? It seems most of his early work took place in Wellfleet. Is that correct? I've been to the beautiful Chatham Marconi Maritime Center, but obviously didn't pay enough attention. Any background on this would be great and/or any old radio lore stories from Chatham would be great to hear. Many thanks. All the best to you all. John H. thanks for your service to the great community of Chatham.
Ned and Julie Chapman <edmund.w.chapman@exxonmobil.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 14:27:02
Back to some nostalgia.

Does anyone remember the race car store where you could race those electric race cars? I think you rented time to use their tracks.

It was under the Coach and Four.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 14:22:58
Ben: How did you come to conclusion that I was referring to your post? I just asked that the Navy related discussion fizzle out, which JimP seemed willing to do as he had the most extensive posts.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 09:19:30
Ok Ben, Here you go. You MAY be a Real Chathamite if you ever rode with Doc Keene in his Model A pick up.


another, You May be a real Chathamite if you ever shared a drink from the same bottle with old Ken Haven.
That ought to get you started.


ken
haven.

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/06/2020 - 09:18:46
Cmon John and Alice give a guy a break! I posted 4 sentences which were a simple response to Richard and Jim - that's 4 sentences after not posting anything for 2 months while watching Chatham politics dominate this page (I have no problem with that, it is a Chatham room) - I say these challenging times of sequestration are perfect for someone to channel the Chowdahman and come up with one of his famous Chatham quizzes - we all could use a little fun and distraction
Ben H
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 20:44:44
Thanks John.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 19:05:41
As you may have noticed, I gave y'all a bit of latitude lately due to the unusual circumstances we're in. And given that those posting are at least connected with military and/or Chatham in some way, it was fine with me but I would suggest that Navy tangent be gracefully slowed down to a minimum/end. Thanks!
Oh, and just saw on NY Times that apparently Crozier has tested positive for the virus.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 15:15:14
Jim, Very good point!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 14:11:08
OK Alice - I believe John gives is a bit of running room to us as Chatham seems to have ponied up more than it's fair share of veterans; we're all children of the same place and just maybe ya'll would enjoy seeing how Chatham's citizens have fared in the world of today.

I didn't mean to derail the constancy of complaints, calling people crooks, denigrating people's characters, and generally being all-around rude to each other that this forum seems to have devolved to.

Carry on.

JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 12:21:01
JimP and BenH both lend valuable perspectives here and have valid points of view. Large organizations need rules and protocols. But sometimes they get in the way of progress. And sometimes it takes a rule breaker to get something done. All things good and bad are amplified in our lightning fast Information Age. Crozier seemingly chose the welfare of his troops over his own career. He lost out professionally but made things happen faster than they would have if he had stuck with the chain of command. In a life and death situation, we find out what people are made of. How does this relate to Chatham? The same way it relates to all small towns across America who pride themselves on doing the right thing to accomplish a greater good. Conflicts and challenges and how they are handled give towns like Chatham and their people the opportunity to look in the mirror and ask, "Is what we are doing accomplishing a greater good?"
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 10:46:04
How about getting back to Chatham related topics, which is the real purpose of this site. We are interested in how people are feeling about funding Capital Projects at our next Town Meeting, whenever that may be. BOS have already said over 4 million for the dump is out of line. We are supposed to have 2 COA buildings up for a vote at around 8 Million. Has the Fish Pier project ever been finished? What about the fine the town imposed on the contactor? You know, Chatham stuff!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 10:14:58
Part III: adding to the 3-star squad leader story, here is a funny: immediately post 9/11 I was in a Corps-sized unit responsible for securing sensitive sites west of the Mississippi. The Plans cat, me, the G-3 (operations), and a couple others were briefing the CG (3-Star)as to the security plan for a particular nuclear power plant. We briefed threat, vulnerabilities, security options, forces available, etc. Gave a recommended security plan, patrols, assets, etc. Guy looks at the plans cat and asks: "What's the patrol routes for the squads securing the site? Now, the plans guy was sharp and had that readily answered. Then the CG wanted to know the individual fighting positions of the troops guarding the plant. The guy had that figured, (remember we're talking a 3-Star General...). Then....the guy asks who the alternates were for the patrols and where their alternate fighting positions were located. We all kind of looked at each other like "what the hell?" That is a decision the Platoon leader and Platoon Sergeant make when they occupy the terrain. He wanted to know all that. At that site....AND all the others West of the Mississippi.

Now you know some of the reasons we are at year 20 of interminable war(s) with no end in sight. The Information Age does wonderful things...it also hobbles us with additional challenges.

JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 09:19:31
part II: Additionally, the difficulty in deconflicting battle-rhythms is nigh-on impossible. The SECARMY is responsive to SECDEF so nests their updates with them and the joint staff; the Joint Staff must nest with SECDEF and the President's calendar; The Combatant command must nest with all of the above; the Army Service Component Command must nest theirs with the Combatant Commander; the subordinates units (Joint Force Land Component Command, Task Forces, Garrison activities, Defense Coordinating Elements within the FEMA Regions, etc) must all nest around those. Then, you have the briefing requirements which must be in place with an "information valid" date of relative real-time. Watching this occur digitally is like trying to castrate a mountain lion in a phone booth. It's harder than Chinese-Arithmatic. A running sample of briefing-changes looks like: "The 1400 SLUB is now at 1500; the 1500 CAT is now in place of the 1400 SLUB; Slides from the SLUB can be carried to the CAT but the CAT can't be used for anything other than the morning synch which normally is at 0745 but has been changed to 0900 - pushing the 0900 to 0800 with no slide requirements. Instead, push the synch slides into a package for the TF briefing which should be at the regularly scheduled time at noon EST (although that has never occurred). the 1500 NLT date for COP slides is now (I broke the length re1400 but be flexible as the Command synch at 1800 looks to be moved to 1645 to allow for an emergency meeting with FEMA and DCO's to address mortuary affairs issues.
JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 09:10:04
As Ben suspects, I also believe there is more to the story than just the leak. I suspect this guy had been on the bubble for a while and this pushed him over.
I'll add a point to Alan's levity - that of running an operation in the digital age. In the age of instant communications, we have what we call "Three-star squad leaders." What I mean is that our digital awareness allows three and four star generals to ask - or demand - certain things normally handled at the Sergeant, or squad-leader level.


Part I:

JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 09:08:24
Turned into a lurker lately but couldn't stay away from this one - strong ties to Chatham and career naval aviator - US Naval Academy graduate as were every one of these guys Crozier up through CNO - why that matters? we all had a plebe year which means we learned the chain of command. Furthermore the TR is homeported here at North Island so the wives and families are all here. Crozier is an exemplary officer fast tracked to Admiral - he definitely knew he was sacrificing his career and as Jim said, he decided to "go public" bypassing his immediate boss who was only one stateroom away - I happen to believe he knew the press would get him what his crew needed while the military bearuracracy would take time. He freely chose to give up becoming an Admiral so he could live with himself. Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 00:04:11
This one's for JimP and Richard-some Adrian Cronauer thinking

What's your Name- Roosevelt E Roosevelt. Where you from? Chatham chat Ma. It's hot,dam hot on this boat. Picture a man going on a journey beyond sight and sound. He could even be entering the demilitarized zone. With a possible NIPR situation, could we have a Fubar program or worse yet a TARFU. Maybe the letter should have been sent under SIPR. Where was ADCOM thru all this? Seeing is how the SECNAV (that little witch of the East) is such a V.I.P shouldn't we've kept the PC on the QT. Yea, once that letter leaked to the SF press, he could end up MIA. One good thing, he probably won't get any KP

I only wonder one thing, who did, do the leaking? Everything you say Jim is correct. Richard, all your passion can also be seemingly be felt by all of us as well, most of all-his crew. In the end, you have to stand by the crew you're sworn to support. Don't know the Capt (and out of respect, will not mention his name), and is said so easy by many, but I do thank him for his service and support,you guys as well. As always, there's probably more to the story, we'll never know.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 22:40:40
For several entries, I have appeared to misspell common words. Having been challenged in CHS spelling bees by class mates, as well as siblings, I assure readers that I do know how to spell most common words. Brother Bob beat me out one time.... the word was souvenir. I had never seen the word, and had never bought one. Somehow, he knew the correct spelling. Don't even try to best him on Scrabble!.
The problem is my vision. I opted to choose distant vision over close up when I had cataracts removed. I wanted to be able to run the CG36500 without glasses. I can do that.

On this site when posting, the text is very small, so I might miss a vowel or two.

And, thanks John for allowing a couple of old military men to take up some space on your site which was not related to Chatham. I will try to do better.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 16:40:08
Bob Ryder and Dickie Fulcher had some good scalloping using dip nets and a view box a few years ago in Pleasant Bay. There is a good amount of seed in Cape Cod Bay I am told.
You would have to fight the seals to gat any flounder now.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 13:39:54
Were there any bay scallops around Chatham this year? Your namesake's cove? Stage Harbor? The last year I can recall there being much of a harvest was in '84-ish. Any improvement?

I also remember that as being the last time there was a thriving flounder fishery. I used to drift snorkel from light house beach down past the weather station and spear a bag of flounder. Couldn't pay me to get in those waters now!!

JimP
USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 11:13:42
Jim and others in distant states:
There are some folks around, but mostly staying indoors or doing basic food shopping. ( I can't even buy a battery for my watch! Might have to use my Grandfatrers pocket watch - one he bought over 100 years ago.)
Water temps are in the low 40's, and with Easterly winds, the air temp has not gone much above 50. This is not our first Cape Cod spring, but it does get old. Not sure about shellfishing, except the oyster farmers have no market as the restaurants are pretty much closed. Price of Cape Cod Bay scallops has dropped to a little over $20. / pound. They are coming from Wellfleet and Eastham. Yum!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 11:06:54
well, it ain't like we're "besties" and sending each other Christmas cards. It was just part of the deluge of traffic and orders coming down dealing with the COVID 19 crisis. If I kept it at work and it's not FOUO, I'll shoot it to my home addy and see if I can upload it here (with John's permission). At any rate, it's part of the standing orders not to divulge readiness rates; especially of one of our 3(?) operational carriers (the rest are going into phase or coming out of phase - but you know more about that than I).

Richard, we're on the same team. You "wrote the check" so you get to say whatever you want and I'm not going to criticize you for it. As this situation develops, more and more info is coming out. Were you aware that the Admiral was on the same deck and a few doors down from this guy? He NEVER mentioned it to the Admiral. He violated OPSEC by pushing it out on NIPR over he heads of his superiors.

We can agree that he made number of errors. Read the SECNAVY's letter explaining why he was relieved. pretty well lays it out.

Other than that, how's things on the Cape? Stripers hit yet? Folks getting sick? Ya'll still able to get to the flats and scratch some necks? What's the assessment as to impact to the tourism this summer?

I'm dying to get back up there and get some necks and chowders. I love the flats - the original "social distancing." :)

How's the

JimP
USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 10:37:20
I have been retired from 20 years active duty in the US Navy for 40 years. Way before the Internet came in to being. Never was in the loop with the Secretary of Defense.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 10:22:01
Well converse of of all this should be interesting and that is a good thing! I am looking forward to it. And I did like the C.O. Speaking as a vet of the Vietnam War.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 21:58:12
Richard, what happens if the keel of a ship even touches a sand bar or shoal...??? CPT Gets relieved.

What happens when superiors lose the trust and confidence of a subordinate? Subordinate gets relieved.

What happens when you disobey direct orders from higher? You get relieved.

You haven't been out that long have you? The Navy is still the Navy. The military is still the military. You compromise the operational readiness rate of one of our few carriers to potential adversary's...you get relieved. That's what it's about. Violating a direct order.

Come on now. You know better than this. and...yes, we all personally get notices from SECDEF, like I said - it came through distro to me a week or so ago; however, it is a General Order the presumption of which is normal distribution through command channels. You remember that...don't you? The violation of which is punishable under provisions or Article 92, UCMJ (violation of a General Order or Regulation).

and yes...in my 36 years of service to the US Army I faced many adversaries: Communists; Beider-Meinhoff; terrorists; Islamists; narco-terrorists; transnational-criminal organizations; and the environment encompassing all the above, up to and including: viruses, chemicals, depleted uranium, nerve gasses, poison, and environmental hazards including mutant pathogens.

I suspect our Naval Aviator retains enough knowledge of good order and discipline to recall disobeying orders being punishable by a relief for cause.

The military is not a democracy....we exist to protect democracy.

JimP
USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 21:17:21
How do either of you know what it is like to be serving aboard a Navy Aircraft Carrier? Did any of your 5000 men and women under your command ever get threatened by a virus?
And do you personally get official notices from the Secretary of Defense? It would be interesting to hear from a former Navy pilot, who frequents these pages from afar.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 19:25:55
Violation of a direct order from SecDef......he is lucky he is not doing the career course at Leavenworth.
Bruce <Podsqd@mtaonline.net>
Eagle river, AK USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 18:54:08
correction to below post: I am RETIRED now, but held equivalent rank. sorry -
JimP
USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 18:19:49
Careful Richard, he violated a direct order from SECDEF that came out a couple weeks ago NOT to put out details regarding the operational readiness (OR) of your units; vehicles; aircraft; or vessels pursuant to COVID 19 stats and press coverage. He violated a direct order. You know how that goes.

Add to that issue is the Navy and DoD was already engaged in providing relief and assistance to the ship. Sorry, but I'm of equivalent rank to that Captain. had I done something as violative of orders as did he, I'd expect to get relieved on the spot.

JimP
USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 18:10:03
Guess what? The USS Roosevelt crew acknowledges their departing Captain in a rousing sendoff. What does he do at the end of the gangway as he departs his ship? He turns and salutes them.
A total class act.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 17:32:54
Robert Hessler for selectperson!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 09:28:40
Just read that the CO of the Roosevelt, who spoke up in defense of his crew, is going to be relieved of his command. This is so counter to the way commanding officers are supposed to be treated. Take care of your crew! That was what he was trying to do. I admire his courage, and am saddened that the top admirals had to react this way.

Or did the order come from higher up? The top maybe?

You can bet that the crew of the Roosevelt were/are totally behind him.
At least he was not going to be referred to as "Charlie Tuna, Chicken Of The Sea". That is what some sailors would call a Captain they didn't respect if the CO was the least bit hesitant to show some guts.
My ship Captains were men I respected, and were looking out for us as crew members.
This is so sad for me, a retired Navy person.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/02/2020 - 17:00:42
Emily, completely agree with your posting and I'll add a kudo to Bob Hessler too. It's sad to see the town you grew up in but no longer live in falling apart. I thought having certain people on the BOS would make a difference because of their background but not so. Things won't change until someone runs against the incumbents. An old expression keeps coming to mind about all the projects going on. "Follow the money "
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Thu 04/02/2020 - 11:59:39
I believe I see progress
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 22:56:02
Richard:
You better be careful, your Chat room reputation could be ruined with an any agreement with myself. Nice of you to open with that statement

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 21:43:35
Alan, I totally agree with you. Can you believe it?
This is an opportunity / chance that S+S could take the lead on looking out for all of us. We do have to go there, or to Shaw's in Orleans,.Doesn't matter, we do have to visit one or the other for our basic needs.
Taking non contact temps would/could be a no brainer for them..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 19:12:41
Mr. Ryder:
Transmission tracking is NOW critically important. It costs hardly nothing and it provides valuable important and critical information to medical staff. Stop & Shop is an excellent place to collect that data in the cape region. If one shows an increased temp. what do you, let the folks walk around freely? If one has a temp. its critical for that person to have the test and to track whom they have in contact to knock the virus curve down. Failure to carry out transmission tracking will mean life or death for some in a few weeks, it's that simple.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 18:38:03
In the last day or so, while checking the CG boat or doing shopping , I have seen cars with plates from RI, VT, NH, CT, NJ and NY. We haven't challenged anyone, and won't.

In the Orleans Stop and Shop today, measures have been taken to protect the workers and customers as well. Nicely done, IMHO. Many customers were wearing masks. Maybe they are infected, maybe just being cautious. Let's hope it is the latter. S& S has sanitizer wipe dispensers available as you come in the door. We do use them and wipe down the handles, etc.

Back in the mid 60's, when I visited several Japanese ports while on liberty from the USS Intrepid, many Japanese people we saw on trains, etc, wore masks.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 17:37:49
Wow! Kudos to Bob Hessler for his letter to the Chronicle 4/2/20. He has really nailed the reason why Chatham is at a standstill on so many projects involving so much money. Lack of leadership! This situation we are in present has nothing to do with the pandemic; it reeks of way too much affluence, too much cronyism, too much real estate development, too many changes to the character of the Town. But this worldwide pandemic is teaching us how to live in a brave new world. For many of us who survived World Wars and know how to protect ourselves and care for others, it is time the youngsters learned theses lessons!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 14:42:00
The reason why trace and surveillance is so important NOW, is that the C-19 shows the kind of curve where the the virus limps along and then suddenly explodes. Obviously, if you have some idea of where the virus Might BE NOW, and TRACE the exposure to the high temp. takers, one can tamp down the spike. How much did come up from NYC?

Hence in my mind the Health Depts. of the 2 towns can be doing more. Having volunteers running around with food, especially for those who are financially stricken is great, but stopping traffic over the bridges now (which is under the jurisdiction of Gov. Baker-by Pres. Trump) is meaningless.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 07:26:13
Any notion of closing the 2 bridges is nothing more than craziness. Who will you be stopping,at this point, the very people who U will allow to come over. Dr. Fauci uses the term efficient mitigation. The time for this action has long since passed and if even considered, to have any effect would have been required a month ago. What's needed now in Harwich/Chatham is heightened surveillance. Researchers need to know where the virus is now. Alice's post on 3/28 could not have been more right on, find the people with the dry cough and temp.-where at the GROCERY STORE, then test for temp. I am very surprised that the 2 towns have not reacted. For the moment, those folks under asymmetric transmission (showing no signs of the virus is not very helpful from a pure data point of view for what's happening now! Dr. Fauci also hinted, that if he himself became severely stricken, he probably would lean towards a clinical trial drug, that is to say Gilead's Remdesivir which does show some signs of keeping the virus from replicating-this drug was used to treat EBOLA-hope there is some on the self on the cape. The Kalatra, test in China (combination of lopinavir/ritonavir), all 3 compounds having the same base structure,- Kalatra showed to evidence of a cure. Oh, in just for the record, yesterday Gov Cuomo ordered 7000+ BiPAP machines for possible ventilator replacement
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 07:14:20
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/cape-cod-residents-petition-for-sagamore-bourne-bridge-closures/2100020/
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 20:33:36
Also the story and link to the petition are on capecod.com
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 19:37:53
Sleep well, knowing the Corps of Engineers are the adults in the room.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 19:33:33
To Richard and Alice, Channel 5&4 had it too. The bridges of The Cape Cod Canal are controlled by the federal government and the Army Corps of Engineers said this evening that they had no plans to close the bridges. Also to Alice I know Richard but I think I must know you too. I have an email address so would love to hear from you.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 19:22:39
Look it up yourself. Got an email address? Have a bit to tell you. Phone number is good too
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 17:15:33
Alice: Please tell me the online source, or the website. As I said, I want to go to the origin.
Who owns Channel 7?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 17:11:55
Richard, latest number says over 6,700. Please feel free to look it up yourself. This is NOT A RUMOR it is an online petition and the person who started it was interviewed on Ch 7 Boston. I am not making any kind of judgment [as you have with me] just telling people what is out there!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 16:56:22
Alice:
I am very suspicious of those numbers. Like, who would start that rumor? In the US Navy, we had an unofficial, undesignated, unknown officer called "Rumor Control" on the USS Intrepid, CVS-11.. (By the way, she is permanently docked two piers away from the USNS Comfort.)

If I heard something that didn't seem in line with rational thinking, I would check it out to find the source. Rumors can run rampant on a ship with 3500 men, as the virus could be running rampant on the Roosevelt now.
Rumors are usually harmless. Not so viruses.

As much as I worry about folks from away impacting our Cape Cod health care delivery system, I do believe that they have a right to visit their properties.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 16:52:14
Just saw on Ch 7 tv that there is a petition going around asking the government to close both bridges to year round residents only, trucks bringing supplies and health care workers. It said 5000 people had already signed it. Anybody else heard about it?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 16:31:28
Wonder if that includes the Dubis family?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 13:00:44
A lot of the French Canadians that moved here from Nova Scotia settled in that area. So the name "French Village".
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 07:20:56
Growing up near there, I was always told it was because a "Frenchman" living there.
Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 00:15:22
Does anyone know why the areas near the Dubis sand pit on Stony Hill Road was called 'French Village"? Alvon's father was called Dutchie when he worked at the Fish Pier.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/30/2020 - 17:10:48
Alvon and i were certainly ensconced at serving at the US Naval Hospital Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in 1964. I worked in the Pharmacy: I don't know where he was assigned.
I worked nights at the Base Library, and had a 125cc Lambretta scooter to get around the base on.
When I met up with him in Chatham, it was at Sandi's Diner .He was even more eccentric as his days went by..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 19:14:45
There was a time I had the honor if interacting with all those characters: Alvon; Fred Rogers; Jake Worth; etc. Unfortunately, I was too young and too immature to understand and comprehend just what "gold" they represented. I was honored to have spoken daily with Fred Rogers for about a year; same-same Alvon. I remember conversations with Jake Worth over several years. I still remember some of the stuff Alvon told me about painting.


It was another era in a time long-ago; when one could leave their house for the day and paint, or scratch, or do what we consider odd-jobs and still live a middle-class existence in Chatham.

I was able to see it....just too young to appreciate it.

JimP
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 18:07:26
I loaned Dale Eldredge a tile saw for him to work on his StoneyHill Road house.
He mentioned that his father,Alvon, passed away a couple of years ago.

Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 14:15:55
Those of you that knew Alvon might be interested to know that his son Dale got control of the family property on Stony Hill Rd. and has built a new house there.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 13:31:35
Is Alvon still around? He was a hoot. Great guy.
Jimp
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 13:18:51
Mikes
I cannot see anyone having difficulties with folks like yourself where the Virus is concerned. The demographics are so extremely different in Rochester than they are in Manhattan. Manhattan has a population of more than 72,033 per sq mile as opposed to Queens with 21,410 per sq mile(the Queens pop. is no small number either. From another point of view, the Manhattan population doubles almost every day with commuters, 1.6 million to 3 Million.

Mikes, your food cannot last forever and you eventually will have to shop.
Rather than you bringing the virus, you may stand a better chance of catching the virus in places like the Chatham Stop and Shop.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 09:59:33
Jim, alvon passed many years ago
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 09:26:28
Mike, good on ya. Let's hope the rest are as responsible as you. Well done.
JimP
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 08:34:14
Crisis plural is crises
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 08:00:45
I just wanted to give a different slightly different prospective about travelers from NY. I definitely understand the concern about NYC, I think it should have been locked down several weeks ago when the mayor wanted it but the governor would not allow it. But I live approx 350 miles from NYC, we have some cases like almost everyone that is really doing testing would find out in there community. I did travel to our home with Chatham so I would be separated form our son who is working in a high risk job as I am probably not would not do well with covid. I did bring all my own food etc. with me and have no plans to go out in the community while I am here except to walk the dog on the beach.I know there is no easy way to tell those of us from NY who are practicing smart behavior during this crisis.

Stay safe everyone

mikes <michael.sisson@nextcorps.org>
Rochester, NY USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 06:15:05
Is Alvon still around? He was a hoot. Great guy.
Jimp
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 22:41:22
Not so Jim: weeks after the crisis in PR, I sent an email to our Senators to ask why there wasn't a presence of a Navy Hospital ship in San Juan, PR? Very hesitant responses. Maybe the President didn't have any political reason to send a US Navy Hospital ship to PR.
I think both Hospital Ships being deployed are probably manned with Navy corpsmen and women, drawn from Naval hospitals and clinics around]d the world, and some Navy Reservists. The ships themselves are run by USNS officers, not medical people. The Medical Facility aboard is run by Navy officers, be they Medical Service Corps officers, Medical Officers, or Nurse Corps Officers.
This is my connection to Chatham as several men I knew from Chatham were Hospital Corpsmen; Alvon Eldredge, and Bobby Deere.. I hope I got them right. Alvon and I served in Guantanamo Bay Naval Hospital in 1964.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 19:16:37
Question..."What is the FIRST thing people do when they get here from NY?"

Answer... "They go GROCERY shopping!!" Spread those germs!!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 19:14:52
Richard,. the problem is that if they defied the "stay-put" order to flee, what makes one think they'll voluntary do a 14 day quarantine?

If one of mine got seriously ill due to these "people", we'd have a problem.

Also - I think the Naval ships routinely hit these disaster spots; so often it isn't reported on anymore.

JimP
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 18:43:38
Just how does one spell the plural of a crisis? Bro Bob, help me out.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 18:02:08
Was there a US Navy Hospital ship dispatched to Haiti, or San Juan, after their crise's ? Just wondering.
Retired Navy Medical Service Corps Officer

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 17:49:49
Here in Eastham there are folks from NYC who are being respectful of their neighbors (us) and are sticking close to their second home. Not a problem. They might be here off and on anyway throughout the year. RI Governor has the courage to do what she thinks is appropriate to protect the RI population. She is asking that if you come from an infested/affected area, be prepared to self quarantine after you get here for 14 days. She is not restricting anyone from traveling I-95.
My heart goes out to my Navy "shipmates" aboard the USS F.D Roosevelt, who are docked in Guam to enable the entire ship to be tested.

Tough call -

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 17:34:00
Jim P
I think and I have to be care to what I say, there is some reason for concern and I say this on some of the following observations:

It's known the Apex in New York is still nearly 2 weeks out. Hopefully it will be less than what is anticipated at this time.

It's Known now that the Rhode Island State Police are stopping cars with NY lic plates on Rt 95 at the border of Ct/RI, so obviously the RI officials have major concern and 95 is the gateway into the cape.

One can look what happens in the New York Hamptons, it's not a given, but if this area surges, then there is another sign for the cape should be concerned with.

Finally, if everyone from NY is in self quarantine and staying in Chatham, I would ask, how could they be? Do they shop at Stop & Shop. Some may get Home Del.,but I guess many are doing their own shopping

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 16:54:53
what's the "over/under" for the first death related to the city swells who defied stay-put orders and fled to their 2d/3d houses down the Cape only to infect ya'll? even odds? do you see the jump in infections?

Nothing to worry about?

JimP
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 15:22:51
Bill, according to a recent NY Times article, under the provisions of the coronavirus stimulus package, self employed people may be able to claim unemployment benefits -- that is, if Congress ever gets around to passing the bill for Trump to sign. A few highlights:

Unemployment Benefits

Who would be covered by the expanded program?

The new bill would wrap in far more workers than are usually eligible for unemployment benefits, including self-employed people and part-time workers. The bottom-line: Those who are unemployed, are partly unemployed or cannot work for a wide variety of coronavirus-related reasons would be more likely to receive benefits.

Are gig workers, freelancers and independent contractors covered in the bill?

Yes, self-employed people would be newly eligible for unemployment benefits.
Benefit amounts would be calculated based on previous income, using a formula from the Disaster Unemployment Assistance program, according to a congressional aide. Self-employed workers would also be eligible for the additional $600 weekly benefit provided by the federal government.

Read the entire article at:
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package-questions-answers.html?referringSource=articleShare

Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 03/27/2020 - 13:24:58
How is the shell fishing? Are their still buyers. I mean for local shell fisherman.

They don't get unemployment.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 13:21:21
Karen, You are correct with your number. No idea how I made that mistake!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 12:59:16
Bookings are up 683% on March over last year in Chatham per the Wall Street Journal. No doubt this doesn't include the second homeowner houses that have been noticed around town, with up to five cars in each driveway.
KarenR <tiggryder@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 11:32:38
I thought no rentals were allowed in town
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 09:53:21
Alan, You must be referring to the Wall St Journal article of 3/22 where it talks of people escaping NYC. Rentals in Chatham are up 363% over the same time last year!! On top of that are a lot of the people who own second homes here and have already moved back instead of getting ready to rent them out. A couple of days ago a car from Conn was loaded as full as it could be including stuff tied on the roof come in 2 doors down. Car is still there have not seen them out of the house since. Plans are being put in place to house sick people off site from CCH and those beds are being set up. For the most part, we and our extended family are hunkered down and staying home.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 09:04:20
I find it a bit weird where the focus is in this room over the past 48 hrs. If there are a pile of people coming to the area where indeed more than a few NY Lic Plates are seen, could the lull before the storm be happening? You make the call
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 23:34:19
Want to see what downtown Chatham looked like in March in the early 50's? Drive down Main Street today. Most people were at "The Lights", watching the horizon, waiting for their Ship to come in perhaps.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 16:36:55
Alice - the Letters were with the agenda packet for the meeting. Go to town website, pull up the meeting and at the bottom is the agenda . When they met on Monday many of the letters against were missing. Not sure if they have since been included. Doesn't matter as it was approved anyway.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 11:56:48
Judy, can you tell us how to find the letters against Hanger B license? Would like to take a look at them. Thanks
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 11:43:41
Why not let the working group finish work on the Stepping Stones property. That way it is done. At that point, we will have working plans in place for both parcels. Just because both plans will be done does not mean action can't be postponed. If they are, we can take it up at a later date. Fin Com is right to take a harder look at where our money is going. It's about time. There is a strong sense that no more capital projects should be started in these times for a number of reasons. Some one said at the last BOS mtg, "The COA has a roof over their heads right now" A good point. However, why not have a finished plan for Stepping Stones since its almost done according to BOS mtg.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 09:48:12
At the BOS meeting two nights ago, the $4.3MM transfer station project was soundly defeated by the BOS vote. Coronavirus, financial uncertainty, economic uncertainties, etc were the reasons. I am not diminishing the need to provide the Transfer Station workers with a safe work environment. This is an imperative.

My confusion lies in the fact that none of these reasons were applied to the larger $8.3MM 1610 COA project. After 3 years of urging by the Finance Committee, the BOS is finally acknowledging the need for spending priorities. What are the priorities? Should the Town have a hiring freeze? Do we need a $1.3MM road salt storage facility?

Just saying .....

Dan Young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 09:15:16
Once again our town leaders never fail to disappoint. To even consider moving forward with a COA in these times defies common sense. With folks losing their jobs, town projects still not completed, the roadway in West Chatham deteriorating further - there is no reason this project should not be put on hold indefinitely. It's really frightening watching these folks at their closed BOS meetings. There were many folks opposed to the beer and wine license at Hangar B and interestingly enough the majority of the letters against it were not even included in the agenda packet. The BOS chose to ignore the concerns from abutters and granted the license. Nothing was going to change their minds. Last I knew they worked for us. They are all on a power trip and it's time for it to stop.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 08:22:59
FYI: Via Facebook, saw that Town of Chatham announced that both Town Meeting and election are being postponed till some date to be determined but prior to June 30.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 21:09:57
Mr. "He here" Just an idea:
If it is indeed true that there has been an influx of folks from the NYC area and Boston, then Chatham/Harwich authorities need to establish a base line for the virus. In my mind, one of the best ways to do this is to establish a station at the Stop and Shop and Shaw's promptly for temp.taking. You have a temp, you do not enter-get someone else to do your shopping, a coordinated volunteer or otherwise.

At the same time, "this station" should record the folks with temps and have them ordered along for the test with a designated Dr or place.

The cruise lines implemented this procedure within hours. For those who might think this has any kind of unreasonableness to it, take a look at what Harwich did this past summer when there was the tanker truck spill. Shaw's was shut almost immediately for 2.5 days, some residents could not believe "their store" was closed-Harwich Police moved fast with this closure.

There are a few folks on this site who are very capable of advancing the above with the appropriate folks, just in case the Towns have not thought of it already.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 20:47:52
Dick, would that be Keeper George Gustavus?Was down at Prudence Island in RI during the hurricane? The Keeper at Palmer Island, New Bedford also lost his wife in the 38 Hurricane.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 20:08:17
Nauset Light had three beacons, (the Three Sisters) hence there were multiple chimneys in dwellings for the keepers and assistant Keepers families to reside. At one time after the Civil War, veteran Long John Ryder from Harwich was an Assistant Keeper at Nauset.
Chatham Lighthouse had Two Keepers, so the building had two chimneys, one for each family.
My Aunt Mabel's father was the last Civilian Keeper at Chatham Light, having been transferred from a Light in RI that he survived the 1938 Hurricane.
He lost his wife and a son due to the storm waves. The Lighthouse Service was assimilated into the Coast Guard in 1939.
Mabel was the mother of Cousins Terry Ryder and Jeannie Ryder.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 19:52:08
While watching Dr.Phil today, I got to thinking about how young parents are coping with having to actually interact, amuse, teach, entertain and explain what is happening to the world. How wonderful to have a chance to do what we all did growing up without technology.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 19:39:45
With all of this talk of isolation, it reminds me that a real good place for that would be remote light stations. A number of them in the northeast; Boston, Minot's Ledge, Boon Island etc. Offshore lighthouses off the English coast required turnover of keepers every four weeks. French lighthouses swapped staff every two weeks if the weather was cooperative enough. Isolated Canadian lights are still staffed for thirty two days at a time. Most of these stations you won't see another living person around. Great place to quarantine for any variety of reasons and to be paid for it!
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 19:20:57
Tried to post to this venue yesterday, no joy. Anyone else?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 11:51:17
Liquor store in Orleans told me they had maybe a 30% increase iin sales, mainly due to millennials coming from Boston colleges and staying in their parents second homes. If this stays the virus from spreading, I am OK with that. But what about those who can't leave their high rise apartments in Honolulu, Boston, Miami, the Bronx, Queens, Manhattan, etc?
And, they can't work to get a paycheck???????
Which Town of Chatham employees will get paid if they can't come to work?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 17:34:34
Dick L
The virus is no joking matter, so I say this out of seriousness, are these folks coming up from NYC self quarantining or are they self "Canteening" With NYC on of the hottest hot spots, folks might think they are safer in Chatham on the short term, that is until the virus sets in on them, then NYC gang will create a mess in you know where.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 16:39:31
Opinion piece in Western Mass newspaper notes people are leaving NYC for their 2nd homes in Lenox early - same as owners "escaping" to Cape Cod and islands. Interesting tradeoffs. Where would you like to be? Where would you be safest? Read that Nantucket is discouraging people from returning to the island early.
Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 15:48:17
John, Wondering how things are in your part of FLA. We know some snow birds who are not sure if they should stay in Fla a bit longer or come home when they usually do. Should be quite the BOS meeting tomorrow!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 13:29:57
From Town of Chatham via Chronicle email:
" Town officials were notified today of the first positive case of COVID-19 in Chatham. In compliance with Health Information Privacy laws, identifying information on this individual will not be released. Close contacts of the individual are being contacted and directed to self-isolate."

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/21/2020 - 20:23:19
Well said Richard! I think that is something that those of us that served in the military have a respect for the people that serve us and we served with that some others do not. I too have a good relationship with the folks at our Transfer Station. Also I used to be able to my pants on both legs at once but not anymore.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 19:44:55
Nicely put. Here in Eastham I pretty much know the first names of all who work at the Transfer Station. I treat them as valued men and women who serve us. Just like I treated the US Navy men and women who I either served with or who worked with / for me.
We all put our pants on one leg at a time.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 17:50:31
Just to let you Chatham people know; the Scout trailer at the transfer station (a.k.a. The Dump) has been temporarily closed for obvious health reasons. You are to put the cans and plastics in the appropriate places at the Dump. No charities will be getting that money , so it is basically a nickel lost ( well, maybe not lost, the State has that nickel for now.) )Alternative, of course, is to rinse out the cans and bottles, then save them til normal (whenever and whatever that will be) - then bring to the Dump (or take them to a redemption center yourself.)
I really don't think anyone realizes how hard, and in conditions you wouldn't care to work, the dump team works. Often the general public is not very kind and considerate. Yet I have always them seen treat everyone with respect. They have taught our kids a great deal through their great work ethic and dealing well with the public.
During this time, they, along with the police, fire, cashiers, banks, mailmen, and many more, are essential personnel in our lives right now. All are working with additional, what could be called Summer, stresses without the summer personnel. So be kind to all of them too.

susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 15:46:04
Jobs are the economic engine that drive Chatham and Cape Cod. Many have lost jobs here in Chatham. These are unusual times. In order to help those a one time payment of $500 should be made to all Town of Chatham registered voters. The source of these funds could be Free Cash (it's ours) and reduce (not increase) the 2020-2021 Town Budget 5 % from the 2019-2020 budget.
Dan Young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 14:16:58
Read in our local paper today that PATE (Cloyde Pate) passed away at the age of 94 years old. Our older Chatroom members will remember when he operated Pate's Restaurant in Chatham.
Anna Olson Woodland <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 13:03:44
Just went to Stop & Shop. Young folks everywhere not heeding their responsibility to let elders shop. Horrible produce, no pasta , no pet food except store brands but plenty of toilet paper and paper towels - all S & S brands. Went to Shaw's - much, much better. Only thing they're missing is toilet paper and paper towels. Long lines at both places. Stay safe, shop smart and bring your patience with you.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 08:51:26
Richard, read the post again. Did not say first case on Cape Cod, said first case in Harwich. Sorry to confuse you!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/19/2020 - 19:31:08
No, I thought the first two cases on the Cape were in Sandwich. Maybe you meant the first case in Harwich. As a 1948 polio survivor, and as an above average receptor to viruses, I am watching this very keenly.
As far as I know, Anna Olson, Don St Pierre and myself were the only kids to come down with the polio virus in either Harwich or Chatham.
After all these years, why us? Why not my siblings? Why not the Chowderman?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/19/2020 - 19:26:53
CC Times says first presumptive case of Corvid-19 in Harwich. This means State testing is positive but they are waiting for confirmation from the Feds.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/19/2020 - 18:19:28
Alan: Non-usage of personal names is the normal practice in Chatham public meetings, and was a variation of "previous speaker" that is used. True, this isn't Town Meeting but it's just being proper.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 11:20:55
John
I have no problem with you taking down the post-I have no intention of getting into it with Elaine, I never said I was any Dr. in fact I indicated as such and suggested that one speak with their Dr. before taking any options from the observations I posted, things I did. My sole attempt in that post was just that, to present some observations, this does not need CDC approval. Maybe it could have been written better or in another way. By the way, my name is Alan-I am not any he.

When I stumble across someone who has had for an example a heart attack or a stroke and they are willing to speak about their experience, I always ask what symptoms they had and how they were initially treated.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:47:39
Thanks John.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:44:05
Elaine: I will do so but because of how primitive this site is behind the scenes, I normally avoid deleting during times when others may post as it makes site vulnerable to loosing data during the manual edit process.
Alan: True, but as Elaine said, you went into medical advice and that's problematic.

And when I delete the post, these follow up posts will also go away as they become orphaned.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:25:44
John, I request you delete the comments you referenced. I have not once heard the CDC or the administration recommend Theraflu as treatment for Covid-19 or BIPAP machines that blow facemasks off as an alternative to ventilators. It's irresponsible speculation and advice. This is way too serious for armchair experts with no medical credentials. If he has been exposed and has symptoms, as he states,the CDC instructions are that he self quarantine, contact his health care provider and get tested. We are all well aware we are high risk in Chatham and are capable of following instructions from the experts.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:06:31
Yours all note John and understand, but you have many people who not only post on your site but in the whole of Chatham who are at very high risk
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 09:35:32
Alan: While maybe somewhat topical to the current situation in USA, your last extended post really strayed a bit too far from anything connected directly with Chatham and/or Cape Cod and I am considering whether to keep it or not, ok? The prior posts re the virus were more tolerable.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 09:27:28
... rather than your mouth, thus enabling longer periods of use time and no dry mouth.

Do I have the C-19? Have not been tested. However since Sunday, I have had a mild temp, cough and definite sore throat with some monor headaches and with some body pains. This might tell someone something and yes I have started to use that Theraflu I purchased (if you on other medications, you may not wish to be like me, suggest you call a doctor before using)if you are even in the remotest thought of doing what I did.

The media has all shone these modeled photo of these Coronaviruses and I remember correctly one sees this rather significant sphere with tooth pick like
tiny balls attached to the sphere. I think what you should be getting from those diagrams is that those tiny balls represent a "bank of different Proteins," and some of these proteins attached themselves to the lung sites, and guess what-these proteins are not that easy to be removed from the lungs with antihistamines etc.-all leading to possible use of a ventilator for some.

Again, hope I haven't bored anyone and for sure, I am no Doctor, just one trying to use common sense

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 09:12:21
Wanted to share some thoughts with the folks on this site which are actually relevant right to the moment. One week ago from yesterday (actually March 9 and 10), I was teaching in a school building, at the same grade level, where it was announced and confirmed, that a student in this grade level had a confirmed case of the Coronavirus (March 12 announcement). So for those NIMBY's and those thinking that imposed restrictions are well beyond necessary, I was educated otherwise late in a career by the late Dr. Louis A Carpino out of UMASS, who was responsible for synthetic peptide and protein chemistry as we know it today (it is at the heart of Immune tech, when looking for antibodies to fight the foreign antigens as many times each are actually proteins and yes the studies grow far more complicated from this initial protein building step outwards)

So well before this confirmation since I like to self medicate, I made 2 easy minor preparations that I have since used.
a) Looked for a comprehensive over the counter product that would fight the flu (didn't need it at the time but I purchased it anyway) and the best one I found was GSK's "THERAFLU" as it is focused on Pain relief/fever reducer, cough suppressant and Nasal Decongestant-all in one product.

b) I looked for better ways to increase the use this BIPAP machine I own (just in the wild case that ventilators would no longer be found). Those who have used a BIPAP machine may have observed that it blows so hard, it literally blows the mask right off your face after a short period of time. CIPAP and BIPAP equipment were designed to assist with Sleep Apnea but I figured I might need a prolonged use of equipment, even though the BIPAP can be a pain to use.

What I found is that if you use a teeth appliance (mouth guard) in combination with this BIPAP equipment, you are almost forced to breath thru your nose rather than your m

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 08:53:37
Dan, Alan and JimP: Just wanted to express my appreciation for how you all handled that! I saw a bit of potential confusion that led to a misunderstanding but it was resolved apparently calmly by those involved so THANKS!
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 01:03:03
No problem. I understand
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 23:38:19
Dan:
I am sorry again. I was thinking you were doing the opposite. Then you had Bruce jumping in and thanking you, that's kind of why I thought as I did. Again, sorry about the sarcasm remark as well

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 21:00:07
I don't know who you are, but I was paying you a compliment.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 20:52:22
No worries. I do agree with you that the government - such that it is - is doing a decent job at present. Kind of the "go ugly early" approach. We can always ease-up, but if need be it'll be very difficult to hammer down during a massive outbreak.

For a right-wing nutter, I'm about as anti-government as one can get. but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Fauci is doing a damned good job.

JimP
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 20:07:15
Jim P
You are right, I did confuse you and Bill, sorry about that. What what I have said, alreay, I stand behind 100%

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:59:11
Alan, I only posted once. it was not in contravention of what you said. I think you mixed me up with Bill P.

Bill- you are now claiming 50 million and homeless and broken economy? Weren't you just claiming it was "chicken little" and the good Dr should be quiet...??

Ya'll need to work your reading comprehension. I didn't disagree with anything with the exception of the chicken little comment which Bill seems to be running from now.

JimP
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:54:51
Jim P
"I'm working it from the Agency Subordinate Component Command (ASCC" and Northcom, where do you think they ultimately draw the immune system information to make the decisions you talk about in your last post-the NIH. And who ultimately runs these task forces, the President. President Trump, you can be 100% sure, he got the best of the best in Dr. Fauci who has overwhelming driven the NIH for years.

This is no different, than the US Coast Drawing their decision making information from NOAA when CG has to make scientific decisions beyond their scope.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:38:17
Jim P
I can not understate what your last 2 posts are really saying, especially as it relates to Dr. Fauci. His work, his record and the science he has brought forth to Universities, Industry, and yes, even the military_especially to this Nation is UNDISPUTED. While I do not know him personally, I am proud to dispel any one who would see him in an unfavorable light as I and many around the world respect the advances he has brought forth to the human immune system.

To suggest he is running around the US as some talk show host and providing a Chicken Little directive is ridiculous.

Perhaps in the next 10 days, you might change your mind, your last post seems to have had a change of heart alreay.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:23:11
Jim, have you planned for the 50 million people who will be homeless, won't be able to pay bills or buy food. Not everyone gets a government paycheck. The damage to the economy will take 10 years to recover from.

It's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:14:13
it's not about playing chicken little, it is all about "flattening the infectious curve" (the rate at which the infection is spreading). True - most getting it will experience little effects. however, the rate at which people get it will overwhelm the resources of the isolation hospitals should we all "get it" at once. Say, for example, 10-15% of the elderly/young/immuno-compromised (IC) require isolation with attendant acute care. 10-15% of a thousand people is one thing....; 10 to 15% of 20 million people is a whole different metric, and one which would be hard to manage.

If we can slow down the rate of infection, we can keep the numbers of folks requiring urgent care down to manageable requirements. I'm working it from the Agency Subordinate Component Command (ASCC) from the Combatant Command responsible for Homeland Defense (NORTHCOM). The planning for this thing is no joke - the military and DoD is working the "each's" so far as beds available; tentage; triage; isolation capability; etc. Don't be so quick to slough it off.

Despite my conclusion that the media is blowing this way out of proportion to portray "Orange-man bad."

JimP
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 18:45:57
RE Dr. Anthony Fauci

Allen I disagree. Dr. Anthony Fauci is citing worst case scenarios acting like Chicken Little. Maybe he should stop the talk show circuit and get to work.

Were destroying our country over a virus that most people won't even know if they had it and feel a little sick.

Sure if your in the target group take precautions, but shutting down the country is crazy.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 12:32:33
Alan, Thank you. We have NEVER tried to belittle anyone who did not grow up here as far as we can remember. That includes you. We can agree or disagree with anyone no matter where they come from! LOL
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 10:05:51
Good Morning Alice
Thank you for your kind response and I understand! I have been sensitive to what you have indicated. However, just because one has not grown up in Chatham or the immediate surrounding area, there is no need for the pretense and deceit which Bruce has entered the room with as well, his comment too, was really directed towards myself, its what we call "piling on." People of little backbone usually pull this kind of nonsense.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 09:54:27
Alan, we don't know you but we grew up with Dan and his extended family. We were raised with stories of our family members dying of the 1917 Flu Pandemic and how it was to see family members die and stand by helpless and able to do nothing. We ourselves grew up in an era of seeing the terror in our parents eyes wondering if Polio was going to infect us children. And now we are in that most at risk group of dying from this new disease.
Yes, we are more fortunate that a cure or vaccine will be found. We just hope it will be in time.

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 21:17:06
Hey Dan:
I get it! Say what you wish, but I know your comment was ultimately directed towards myself, shall we day clothed and disguised in Sarcasm.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 20:35:50
I hope folks are watching the Channel 18 with the COA $8.3 Million dollar presentation at 1610 Main Street. Check out the opulence in the chandeliers etc. You can also see this on the Town website, Projects page buried in there around page 40 I think. Remember Middle Road started at $6M and slowly raised up to $8M . Just a ridiculous amount of money to ask taxpayers to fund for a sub par location .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 19:21:57
Thank you, Dan.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 14:10:35
Thank you, Allen
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 09:45:05
The USA is so lucky to have a guy like Dr. Anthony Fauci around. Some press figures have already tried to discredit him. If you are into the google routine, his background and his work and with other scientists at the NIH with infectious disease immunologics and allergic disease is probably beyond the scope of any single individual and yet he comes across as a true modest gentleman You won't find many like him!
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 00:38:20
Think one has to be very careful when comparing C-19 to the Spanish Flu and I grant you this comparison is one of the first findings on Google and it can be a bit scary. This article has a focus on statistics rather than genetics and chemistry. At the heart of this presentation is CASE FATALITY RATE (CFR) and it settles in on this figure of 2.5% of the world Pop. It is very simple in how we arrive at the CFR, one merely takes the # of deaths divided by the total # of cases. The article suggests that Spanish flu had 50 million deaths 500 million infected and the CFR was 2.5%. However to arrive at 2.5%, you would require 2 billion infections and this is more than the total number of people at the time.

We obviously do not know the number of infections at this time with C19 and we will not know this for some time. To draw any conclusions between the 2 virus strains based on articles like the one suggested is totally incorrect. We all know that Google can position articles on the page anyway they wish and while the Spanish Flu was a deadly virus, to use articles like this, you provide a poor foundation to build anyone knowledge on. Further, Institutions like the NIH (there were/are amazing immune system advances being made on that 6th floor), Harvard, MIT and companies like Roche (I still see then as Genetech in the USA) and Regeneron have provided us with Immune System knowledge that could very well lead us out of this mess.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/15/2020 - 23:54:03
Since we will all have plenty of time to read and study, I encourage everyone to look up the Spanish Flu on Wikipedia. The piece is 13 pages long and somewhat tedious to read, but definitely worth it since we may be facing a similar situation. I do think we have learned a
lot from the experience. Knowledge is power, so read the piece.

JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/15/2020 - 21:01:20
Town Administrator here in Eastham sent a phone message to all who are signed up: all Town buildings will be closed for 2 weeks. Transfer Station is open, but not the Swap Shop. Police and fire are operating as usual.
I think restaurants will be closed as well, except for takeout, by Executive Order of the Governor, which I find an appropriate use of power in such a situation.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/15/2020 - 19:48:11
Monomoy closed the schools til the end of April. This is now going to affect the tourism as well.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 19:50:50
How about zero fresh chicken or butcher level beef at Stop and Shop in Orleans? Certainly, there are enough other foods to be bought there for quite a long time. Who would think there would be a run on frozen veggies?
Regarding TP, Dad said they used the Sears catalog pages back then. Just sayin'.

As an afterthought, I was expecting some sort of screening at Logan when we returned
from HI but that was not the case.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 18:04:58
According to CC Times, first confirmed case of Corona virus here on the Cape.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 17:40:58
Alice. Went in for shrimp and a lemon, there were zero paper products in the paper isle, they even took all the paper plates, napkins, and plastic ware..!!??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 08:44:03
We went to S&S to get our usual St Paddys Day corned beef cabbage and so on. We were the ONLY ones checking the corned beef for the best cuts. We did find tissues on one asile end. Took 2 boxes and left rest for others. Tuna almost gone but they were restocking as fast as they could. Taters, carrots, onions buy one get one free. [why we were there] Judy is right, a madhouse but people were not shopping with an angry edge like in the summer months. Bill P may have a good point, limit some items so we all get some.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 07:33:33
Channel 18 is working again.

As to stores running empty, the stores need to limit those purchases. Some shyster's take it all and re-sell them online.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 20:07:19
No toilet paper, no paper towels - mass hysteria among the elderly . I shopped yesterday for a friend and it was fine . I went today after work and experienced empty shelves etc. just like 4th of July - only folks are nicer and polite - unlike our summer visitors.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 18:15:18
What's up with panic buying at Stop and Shop in Orleans? My wife just came back from a trip there, and found some shelves and meat displays empty.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 17:44:59
Just returned from a long awaited trip to Hawaii. Things I noted: mostly Japanese tourists were wearing masks. Others, not so much. I have never seen as many men washing their hands in the Men's rooms! Good news for sure.
At logan this morning at 0600, there were three flights cancelled on the Arrivals Board: one from Seoul, one from Rome and one from Beijing.
The Hawaiian health officials are very aware of how seriously the pandemic could affect their economy.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 16:44:15
The channel wasn't working last night either. This week's story in Chronicle about COA was interesting. Apparently no one bothered to tell Ms. Segal and the Chronicle that there are no doctors anymore at Oppenheim Medical Center - so they can't use the "close proximity to a medical facility" argument for having the COA at 1610. That argument, along with a host of others is what makes it a horrible choice.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 09:08:34
Bill P. Just using regular Comcast cable. 18 and 22 still out.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 19:11:56
From Chatham Fire Dept via Facebook:
"The Town of Chatham, in consideration of the State of Emergency declared for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts by Governor Charlie Baker and in an effort to maintain the functions of Town government while mitigating risks to the public, is cancelling all non-regulatory committee meetings until further notice. Regulatory committees will continue to hold meetings on essential and time sensitive matters.
The public is encouraged to view these meetings remotely on Channel 18 or through the Town's website to limit public exposure and the possible spread COVID-19 in the community. It is requested that attendance at regulatory meetings be limited to only those individuals whose presence is required.
The public is asked to limit their visits to Town offices and are encouraged to utilize online portals and US mail to submit payments or renewals. It is requested that visits to the Town Office Annex be made between 8 a.m. and 3 p.m. Monday through Thursday, and 8 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. on Fridays, and all other Town offices between the hours of 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. to allow for additional cleaning measures by staff.
Town programs held at the Community Center will continue at this time, however, beginning Sunday, March 15, 2020 all non-Town events and room rentals will be cancelled."

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 14:30:35
Good info John - thank you.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 13:34:01
FYI: Chronicle just posted this on FB: "An update on plans for a senior center in West Chatham scheduled for Saturday, March 14, has been cancelled. Officials are hoping to reschedule it to Monday's board of selectmen meeting."
And as not all users here are on Facebook, figured this would be good to share.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 13:13:09
Chanel 18 does not work using my Tivo. I just checked using a Roku via the Comcast app and channel 18 works.

What type of cable box are you using?

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 11:26:54
Ch 18 and 22 have been out since yesterday. Anybody know what is going on with them?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 11:05:55
Please join us on Wednesday nights 7pm at the Community Center
C-SHIP Save Historical Important Properties Are you concerned about the tearing down of our antique homes and history?
Please get on board with us at this meeting. Every concerned Chatham Citizens is welcome???

janet whittemore <janet.whittemore@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/11/2020 - 16:00:01
Hence the concern should be with the here and now. To be thinking about the summer months at this point is a bit early. This is not a revolutionary thought, but in winter we are more confinded and we get less Vit D. Humidity levels could be a major concern as well.

It might be a better to have a concern about late fall and into 2021 because if indeed the virus disappears for the summer, it will almost certainly come back.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 17:35:46
I think one will find there are many strands of Coronaviruses,it is indeed Covid 19 that is of concern now (operative word now). Yes, most studying the immune system will suggest that we are in uncharted territory with 19. What is interesting is that prior analysis of SARS shows the fact that 19 has genetic similarities (about 80%) to SARS.

Hence the big question is the temperature transmission relationship between the two virus strands. With the SARS stand that hit the USA (operative words "that hit the USA) a few years back, showed that effect on cells under warmer moderately humid conditions indeed slowed the SARS Virus. Science is concluding that the colder drier air does allow a virus to spread.,,

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 17:26:02
Something to think about. Given the rapid spread of the Corona Virus, will people even come to the town mtg in May? Town of Plymouth closed all schools last Friday so they would have 3 days to clean the schools. Also, we are not just at risk from what comes over the bridges. People fly in from Boston and NYC to P Town for weekends all year round so it could come up Cape from there. Chatham airport too. Thinking about going to concerts this summer at Payomet or Melody tent? We enjoy going to events in the summer but find ourselves rethinking things. Would like to hear others thoughts.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 12:05:40
Something to think about. Given the rapid spread of the Corona Virus, will people even come to the town mtg in May? Town of Plymouth closed all schools last Friday so they would have 3 days to clean the schools. Also, we are not just at risk from what comes over the bridges. People fly in from Boston and NYC to P Town for weekends all year round so it could come up Cape from there. Chatham airport too. Thinking about going to concerts this summer at Payomet or Melody tent? We enjoy going to events in the summer but find ourselves rethinking things. Would like to hear others thoughts.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 12:04:36
Dick - I think it's a mixture of poor governance and obstinance as Jared mentioned earlier. When someone figures out why certain folks just won't take their heads out of the sand about this inferior property let us know. There obviously is something everyone is pursuing with 1610 that many of us are in the dark about. There is no quaint walking village in West Chatham with charming restaurants. Yes, we have Larry's and Mom & Pops. They are staples. I think a replica of Sibley's house should be rebuilt there if the Roadway is ever done. Any comments from folks here regarding the two speakers at town meeting who brought up the legal repercussions when town officials don't listen to the people? I took that as a reference to the roundabouts in addition to the feasibility study.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 06:01:52
BOS wrapped itself around the axle. They just couldn't get past their vision of the substance and deal with the process instead. They should pursue 1610 as if Stepping Stones didn't exist and get the results of the SS study whenever its available. Only 1610 will go to ATM where it be voted up or down. Success of 1610 may depend on the results of the SS study. Obviously, neither site will succeed if both are brought to ATM.

Don't understand why some wanted school committee to reconsider without having the result of the study of safety - weren't they listening!

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 21:09:03
Fred,the Squire is just not the same anymore.So many people refuse to go there because of how they let the help go.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:37:13
Judy,I thought the people elected the B.O.S to represent the voters and not to ignore them and to do what the board wants.They should be more discrete when being in front of a meeting with their own personal feelings instead of what the voters think is best for the town
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:34:35
I can't believe speakers were still trying to convince them to vote against the study. They should know better. The democratic process works and I think Cory had to remind them that. The sighs and groans from our elected officials were a bit much. The majority of them couldn't be gone soon enough - as evidenced by prior comments here. Time for them to suck it up and do their jobs they were elected to do. If they can't do it without complaining perhaps they should resign .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:25:51
Judy, I watched the selectmen's meeting tonight and your right .Sour grapes it is! I am glad Cory had the sense to vote for the study even though it was against what he wanted to do.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:20:23
I watched Sat.meeting for Stepping Stones.A lot of good comments,Seth Taylor was excellent!Someone said 489 students and 11 year olds use Stepping Stones,I don't believe that many kids use that road most are on the buses.People were saying too much traffic already use S.S.How many of the people going to the C.O.A.now are already using S.S to get to get to the C.O.A?They say there are 2 hills on S.S.to contend with but if people going to the C.O.A. now by S.S they have to go up and down 4 hills so that should eliminate 2 of them.I still don't know why the School Committee could say no to this piece of land without a study being done first.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:17:46
Seriously sour grapes tonite with the BOS. Dykens on another rant. Somethings up with his attitude -it's darn right nasty. Thankfully Mr Metters is the only voice of reason.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 18:25:49
John. Consultants and traffic engineers tell you what you want to hear.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 09:14:33
Does anyone know who bought Pates or why did the Squire really just close for 4 days with minimal notice?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 07:52:25
The town uses consultants because they have the specific experience, expertise and time to complete those projects. Town employees are used to manage the projects and interface with consultants. Very common in industry to reduce costs. People like Terry Whalen are already working full time and more just in management and lack the skills needed to do certain tasks, as he's not an architect, nor a traffic engineer, or other jobs that have been given to consultants.

Because water/sewer operations require specific skills, they are often contracted out for efficiency and cost reductions and by doing so, the contractor has more flexibility in employment benefits

BTW, in one case, by using an OPM, the OPM was able to do certain tasks that the town employee wasn't legally allowed to which benefited the town as a private company would also have been permitted to do those tasks.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 23:45:45
FYI Dana-Faber as of this weekend and even more so began scaling big time for what they believe could be a major breakout of the virus.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 21:37:30
Suggest the folks on this site pay very close attention to the Corvid 19 virus. Just received word that the Dana Farber Institute is well beyond the washing the hands with hot water and soap "thing." Personally, I was of the mind to to be careful and its not happening here. Did not post this to scare anyone, but more to say click it up a notch, the folks at "Farber" usually know a bit more than most. Certainly would be a good idea to hit the Stop and Shop for a few extra cans of soup etc.,
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 21:34:20
Thank you Jill and Adam.
jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 19:56:04
Jan, when the 2010 census was done, a few towns in MA opted to have a needs assessment study done by their COA's because of the number of seniors currently living in those towns. I think that over 40% of those people in Chatham responded and what these respondents felt they needed to age comfortably in place determined what a new senior center should provide to meet those needs.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 18:33:22
Jan: That study you might be referring to is usually called a Needs Assessment. You do not require consultants to undertake this kind of study, perhaps it was done already. I understand the study to be conducted now is about how, where, when, and site design and construction that is to occur with benefits, risks and negatives.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 17:48:01
What I fail to understand is why the overly compensated employees such as the principle planners and engineers can't do this work. There are way too many undertakings town wide using consultants. Anyone want to hazard a guess on the amount of our money that's paid to the firm that does the water work for the town? I think the name is Wesson/Sampson or something similar. How about the painters that were brought in to paint the current COA? I think it's time to send another message at town meeting in May . The Finance Committee has already told them and now it's time for the voters to tell them. There are many individuals that have spoken here as well as those at town meeting yesterday that sent a clear message to the Board of Selectmen to stop this nonsense and do their job. Get on board with the message you were given yesterday.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 15:07:00
The Town website has a link on the Projects page for all the studies which have been done. That's what the consultants have been paid to do, along with Town staff.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 14:05:32
Thanks Jared.So over 10 years ago someone from the staff or the board said they needed a new building.That does not seem like a reason for a new building because someone said so.A study should be done to see how to make things fit.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 13:58:24
The vote is a positive step, and the BOS should pursue it with an open mind.

The COA should reconsider the advantages of a single story senior center, the ability to add (if senior programing warrants expansion), better parking and better access.

The BOS can and should request that the school committee reconsider, which should happen once the study is completed. Future school use of the 1.6 acre sliver, isolated by the bike path is bologna! (A consideration stated by one of Chatham's reps.) Congestion and traffic is different in the summer. The school committee should welcome additional overflow parking and the proximity of a municipal building for use in any number of potential emergencies.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 12:23:26
Janice, I believe the COA staff or board decided they wanted a new building about a decade ago.

The School Committee should make an informed vote at a later date. The school has not used that land since the time the school was built in 1963.

I am happy how the vote went yesterday. The way I see it, if the study is returned saying that Stepping Stones is the better site for any variety of reasons then the BOS should stop being obstinate and throw their support behind it. At that point, the study should be given to the School Committee as hard evidence why they should declare the land surplus. Remember, this was brought to a Special Town Meeting by a citizen's initiative with over 500 signatures, and has the support of the Finance Committee. That sends a pretty strong message.

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 10:34:30
Someone has to have the answer to this question.Who and how was it determined that there is a need for a new C.O.A. building.Was it from the people who work there or was there a study that determined it?
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 06:37:50
Judy: Kevin has in meantime responded to my email and was fully understanding of the situation and I was less bothered by it than the other one because his linked to a real person via email at least. The other one is totally different and just because an email was used that matches the moniker, doesn't make it valid. Those rules have been that way since I took over and the only people bothered by it seems to be the offenders.

And yes, I sometimes disagree with others viewpoints as do you. So why shouldn't I be able to give my opinion if you can give yours? It doesn't stop you from presenting opposition. Remember that there's often more than one view on topics and just like at public meetings, people are able normally to express theirs. I have NEVER blocked any opposing views here but you seem like you want to. And I have NEVER gotten upset when others didn't agree with me, but sometimes think I just have not properly explained or presented my views so try alternative text.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 21:17:01
John - I encouraged Kevin to post here. I told him to use his email. I do not know Quitnesset; however, he used his email. It was not an "anonymous" post. Many of us feel you get upset when we don't agree with your viewpoints, and then you argue with us - trying to convince us your point of view is correct. It should not be like this. Maybe it's time to start something new. Maybe you could send out a survey and ask folks how they feel. Right now - this isn't working with the way you are scrutinizing everyone and arguing with posts.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:58:44
Judy: When have I put any restrictions on what people can say here? Please provide examples as other than profanity and personal attacks and similar issues, I just want people to use non-moniker signatures, ok? I don't even care if it's their real name (which really bothers some people) but just want a name or initials that are unique and appear like a real person.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:49:19
If anyone is interested in joining another group where we are able to speak more freely please contact me via email
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:31:18
The people who got up to speak today in favor, did a tremendous job.They really put a good deal of thought in what they wrote.Job well done!
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:30:41
JudyP, I also have heard people say that the BOS should be replaced by people who care about this town and it's voters.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:28:08
FYI: The post made by Quitnesset will be deleted due to use of a moniker (prohibited ) signature as will any posts referring to it. I have sent emails to both this user and 'K' requesting valid signatures that I can edit in later as alternative to deletion.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:17:24
Quitnesset- Wow!! You're the third person that has said that today!!! Couldn't agree with you more. They seem to forget who they work for.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:53:25
Emily: A live feed is only available from the large meeting room in the Annex. Always been that way and requires equipment only found there.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:53:04
Hurrah for common sense! Why did they choose not to send out a live feed? I am a voter and with today's technology, I felt cheated out of knowing and hearing what was happening!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:37:19
any update on the dredge vote
Kevin S. <kgsarney@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:34:16
The vote today was a vote of no confidence the BOS. It's time for some, and perhaps all of them, to leave.
Quitnesset <Quitnesset@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:12:47
Setting back 3-4 years... the 1610 site is tied up until the W Chatham project is just about wrapped up which is setback 3-4 years.
J Eldredge <spledeus@c4.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 18:59:15
A few people who got up and spoke really suprised me.. 70k is peanuts on a build this big.. one of the last persons to speak "you're setting this back 3-4 years".
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 17:34:20
The funding for the feasibility study, of the school property on Stepping Stones Road, for the new COA building, PASSED at the town meeting today.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 17:22:28
Well said Elaine.

John if you think you know more about traffic because you go to Clearwater in the winter, try living in San Diego year round. The West Chatham corridor is no place for a Senior Center. It was originally two lanes and was expanded to three lanes because of the traffic and now it's going back to two. The roundabouts won't slow down traffic going east and west.

Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 10:17:04
Who in their right mind would think it' a good idea to put an $8 million Municipal building for the elderly on a compromised piece of land in a busy major commercial district, next to an airport and Runway Protection Zone on a busy state road- under construction for the next 3 years- and sell it to the public as an "anchor" for business when it's only open weekdays 8-4? No one. The COA is the destination- not West Chatham. Which begs the question: Why this push by Selectmen when there's a potential alternative?
It doesn't matter if the School Committee took a vote. They can vote again. It's incredibly incredibly short sighted not wanting to find out the significant potential benefits to the School. I'm stunned they would take a vote without all the facts.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 09:55:44
Judy, I am REAL! If you want to play the fat lady then go ahead! You did not address "No" Meaning "NO" GET REAL!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 09:03:17
Alice - It is indeed a shame that your negative attitude projects a loss for something so important to so many folks who have been working on this.

"IT AIN'T OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS"

Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 08:50:42
A final thought before the STM today [if they still have it] I thought we live in a world where "NO" means "NO" That is what the School Comm said when they voted to NOT declare the land surplus. How can any reasonable person think they can change a unanimous School Comm vote when every single member voted "NO"? We think the whole reason for this is to kill 1610 Main. Claiming that a comment or two made before the vote was taken as the reason to continue with this is wishful thinking at best. The article may pass but it will be interesting to see if the BOS follow through. We think if they can find a way around it they may not.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 08:17:45
Barbara, You'll note that I was only saying that for anyone with experience in larger towns/cities traffic (which I presume almost all in Chatham have), Chatham traffic is relatively minor. Similar older populations in those areas don't have issues with more complex/volume traffic situations so why should Chatham folks have a problem with a entry/exit on a road with what I consider less than normal traffic volumes? Just the one condo complex near/around me probably has more elderly than the entire year round Chatham population yet they don't have any significant issues with traffic around here, it seems.

My apples/kiwi was just in reference to the size, shape, layout, usage and roads involved of WCR roundabouts to downtown rotary as WCR will be a three way vs four way with most volume being straight though vs from/to three ways downtown.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 03/06/2020 - 22:26:11
John, comparing Clearwater traffic and Chatham traffic is like comparing apples/ kiwis.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Fri 03/06/2020 - 11:19:25
One thing that nobody has added. They are not taking out the hill coming out of the P.O.. that will be interesting. I hope it works, we all have alot at stake
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 22:16:32
John, you remind me of a wonderful expression of opinion from my late husband....."It's MY baseball, and I'm gonna pitch"!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 19:55:28
Bill P - as you can see - we all agree with you. It's going to be a nightmare - if it's ever finished .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 17:03:11
Barbara: As I wrote a couple of wks ago, living off-season in Clearwater gives me a better perspective of what traffic really is and what little traffic Chatham has in comparison. While we may not have as many of that age group as percent of population here, we do have a significant nbr of seniors and they deal with multi-lane roads, numerous traffic lights, and vehicle volumes that are often 2 to 5 times what Chatham has. And yes, they have wrecks but not in excess.

Jan and Bill P: The fact that it's a business district doesn't mean the volume on 28 after roundabouts will be any greater than it is now without them. And the key here is: The great majority of traffic comes from 28 and most all of it will pass straight through. The side roads (G Ryder and Barn Hill) contribute only a small amount of volume and even then, it's only certain turns that would cause a slowdown.

The counts on the Cape Cod Commission site are quite old but still are likely valid for determining some ratios of vehicle travel. And the G Ryder traffic was about 1/10 of the Rt 28 volume while Barn Hill was about 1/5 of 28.
Sagamore rotary had much greater volumes of traffic on the non-primary roads and was also more of a four way intersection vs the three way in W Chatham.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 16:55:25
I agree John that it would be easy to turn right out of 1620, go to the roundabout and then head downtown but you are optimistic if you think that is what will happen. I know a lot of senior citizens are excellent drivers but as a person going on 80, let me tell you our reflexes are not what they use to be. When I worked at a local business in town I was amazed at the number of people who came in using walkers because they could barely walk but then got in their cars and drove away. I still contend the location and older drivers are an accident waiting to happen. Just for the record, I have not driven for two years, I know my limitations.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 16:05:18
John H. You say that you have no problem with a back up on the Rte 39 roundabout and you shouldn't however, there will be backups on the Rte 28 ones because they will be in a business district where Rte 39 is not.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 15:06:01
I respectfully disagree with John.

The traffic, in the Summer, will be severely backed up each way. Their is a reason they took out the rotary at the Sagamore bridge.

George Ryder will also now get backed up.

The roundabout on 39 sees little traffic. As a matter of fact their were some detours recently that forced traffic that way and it was backed up.

It is a done deal though, so I hope I'm wrong.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 14:55:50
I sometimes really can't believe what I'm reading here. The idea that those roundabouts will cause significant or any real backups is just ridiculous! As I may have said before, while I don't go there often, I have yet to wait maybe more than 15 seconds if that at the Rt 39/Queen Anne one and in most cases, it's added an extra 2 seconds maybe to my trip.

And trying to compare these roundabouts to the downtown 'rotary' is insane. That's not an apples/oranges but an apples/kiwi maybe.

Barbara: If the traffic is enough to make turning left onto 28 an issue, then turn right and use roundabout to reverse. It's an extra 3/10's of mile or less total, it appears. I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks that's too far to go to be safer if they feel it's needed because I'm used to going over a mile extra here to just be able to get to my favorite restaurant.

Also - If people think that having that entrance/exit there is a problem, then we better shut down ALL the entry/exits for any businesses along Rt 28. It's no worse than any other and less hazardous than many existing ones.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 13:44:09
The Board of Selectmen and the folks that are pro 1610 and the rotaries must be trying to top their top ten stupid moves. There is no other reason. This is absolutely ridiculous. By them being this selfish and unwavering, they probably have cost the COA their new building.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 13:15:48
No traffic studies have been done along this corridor since probably 2015 at the latest, and they were not peak season/peak hours. Any done now-off season and before the roundabouts are built- would be meaningless. We have no idea how much backup will occur between the roundabouts or to the east and west. To spend $8 million before the corridor is complete, and we know what we're dealing with. It is an accident waiting to happen-made worse by the entrance/exit and parking configuration.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 12:19:14
If feasibility studies have been done for 1610 property, was turning left onto Route 28 part of that study? Seems to me it's accidents ready to happen or perhaps they will put a traffic light there between the two roundabouts.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 10:14:28
Believe: a single story facility is preferable to a two story for a senior center. Easier to maintain, no elevator, more visibility to staff, better access for all. Will be less expensive in this case for same usable square footage. More level parking lot. COA board should care about these attributes.

Senior center would be nice addition to West Chatham, however.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Wed 03/04/2020 - 12:07:00
I am more than surprised that the COA Board of Directors voted unanimously not to support the petition calling for a feasibility study for the Stepping Stones site for the senior center. They did not have a vote on supporting 1610. This alone should tell you something is not just right. It's too bad they are not interested in learning more about Stepping Stones. They have ignored factual information along with the fact that a feasibility study will not delay their getting a new facility. They seem to want everything their way and not take into consideration what the voters want. There is absolutely no harm in going forward with this study. I would rather see $130K spent on a feasibility study than spend upwards of $9M on a less than satisfactory property. The group which gave us the petition is moving forward because it was greeted with enthusiasm and they believe Stepping Stones to be a far superior site. There will be a Special Town Meeting and we have to use common sense and vote for Article 1. If we don't have a feasibility study, we will never know if we are doing the right thing. Only a majority vote is needed and then a feasibility study will be done. 1610 is a compromised property and not at all in the best interest of seniors. Finally, the BOS goes back to the School Committee and explains the amount of money that can be saved and the results of the feasibility study regarding safety, traffic, topography, and the other advantages.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/04/2020 - 08:05:48
John - you may want to review the Finance Committee meetings where they thought the request for additional help wasn't' in their budget. They review everything and I totally trust their judgment more than the folks that are requesting the help. If you were around more you'd see some of the waste we see and the employees driving around. Just an FYI as well - complaints were made about these employees months ago and it is still happening. If a manager has non performers on the payroll they're not getting any more help . Thankfully we are fortunate enough to have an outstanding Finance Committee that does its job.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 16:26:34
Unless those opposing new employees can prove via documentation that they aren't needed, the town which has provided that evidence of need should be considered. Just because you may believe that a maintenance guy isn't doing job as you think they should, doesn't mean that some additional help may be required in, let's say, the Town Clerks office. I don't recall the exact positions involved but I am sure that some are strictly office jobs and have NO connection with manual jobs.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 15:40:45
John - you are incorrect. The blue truck is the Town Maintenance Dept. a/k/a Facilities Dept with Mr. Temple as the Supervisor. They are town employees. There is still no need for additional Town Employees and you will find many that agree with me.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 13:43:56
May be incorrect, but only blue trucks that I know of are the water/sewer dept and if so, they're not actually town employees.
And the one good reason is what was said in presentation: the volume of FOIA requests and changed federal/state requirements/regulations.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 13:13:48
Interesting to note I have had two folks email me that they see the same blue Town Truck with the same two people in it always driving around. One commented he sees both folks at Ace Hardware and/or Hinckleys. An excellent point was made as to why they both need to be there and one just can't stay on the job. This is the reason no more employees needed to be added to our payroll. Too many non performers as is with little to no oversight. In the summer when I walk early in the morning - there's a town trash truck always parked at Harding's - same time every morning with the individual on his phone. Every morning around 6:15 a.m. Folks need to report this stuff. Just give us one good reason why more folks need to be added to the Town's payroll.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 12:43:21
Interesting when folks see a lot of them driving around a lot. Once again, poor management on the part of their supervisors and department heads which ultimately falls on the Town Manager.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 09:01:44
Town manager wants more staff?

The town let a lot of people go a few years ago by asking for early retirement. Now the Town manager want's to add more staff.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/01/2020 - 22:20:05
Bob R: I don't have any info on that, and while I was obviously in favor of having it because it's an integral part of the vehicles needed for a fire department of our size for a variety of needs/uses, my knowledge is/was more on the space/size of the station. Have we had any fires where it's been critical? I don't know. But do people have fire insurance on homes/businesses and never use that? It's somewhat similar to me. And it's not only fires where a platform is needed. High water rescues is another.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/01/2020 - 12:47:07
Hmm, John H., just curious. What is the track record of the "QUINT" since its arrival in Chatham?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/01/2020 - 11:57:31
Not to detract from this lively discussion but how close is the Fish Pier Observation Deck near to actually being used?
Dave Ryder's aging kids are anxious to install the bronze plaque that was approved by the Chatham Selectboard A YEAR AGO ! It is ready to be shared with the multitude of visitors that will certainly avail themselves of a spot almost as far East as you can go in the United States. The Chatham Chamber of Commerce used to say Chatham was "The First Stop Of The East Wind". Still is.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 16:58:48
Elaine. We believe you are wrong. They made it pretty clear they do not want a COA there. They DID vote to NOT declare the land surplus study or not. Sorry but there was not a single vote in favor. They were clear that a study made no difference to them at all. You were there and heard then just like we saw on TV. They wont give it up. This will only serve to stop ANY COA from getting built.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 15:47:36
Alice- If the STM approves the feasibility study- which would address the school's safety and traffic concerns- and the School Committee recognizes the significant benefits and opportunities for the District, they can always take another vote. That's why it is so important for everyone who is opposed to 1610 Main or thinks there should be a less expensive alternative site, to attend the Special Town Meeting on March 7.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 14:21:26
For a bit of levity, saw this last night on a sign here: Taking your dog named Shark to the beach isn't the best idea.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 11:30:11
If the School Committee is unbending, Chatham taxpayers will be left with the choice of a more costly two story COA or nothing for the COA. Very unfortunate.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 10:52:27
Caught the Monomoy School Comm mtg on TV this am. While there was some discussion around supporting a feasibility study, in the end they decided the issue was did they want to declare the land surplus. They voted to keep the land for the school. This is the ONLY vote they took. How can anyone dispute this??? Study or not, they will NOT give the land back to the town. Do people really think they can persuade the School Comm to reconsider their vote and get a majority to vote in favor of giving the land back? Just don't see that happening. If the vote had been split, maybe a chance. While we would loved to seen a study, it seems a moot point. This is going to anger some people but how can they see it any other way?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 09:56:48
As Debbie knows, I spent a lot of time unofficially helping review the fire station and did lots of research and visited a number of other stations. And based on that, I can tell you that in one specific room, it's oversized by around 100SF but it's also undersized by at least 300-400SF in another place because of what it didn't include. People with no knowledge of what a proper modern fire station needs in space may think it's oversized but I can tell you that it's NOT!
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 01:21:30
Emily,Judy David and Elaine, your comments are right on!
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 18:47:26
Bill - the VOTERS approved the police and fire stations. I think most will agree with you there was no need for structures that size. I also wonder how many people were aware there was poor oversight again by town officials in both buildings. Counter tops weren't built to comply with ADA requirements and another contractor had to be brought in to redo everything at tax payers expense since the town signed off on the original contractor. By the way - a LOCAL contractor fixed it. Unlike the fish pier. This is one only one instance of the screwups that were made. The leadership in this town is awful. A few Selectmen have overstayed their welcome as well as the Town Manager. When you have a Board that won't support the folks that voted them in- it's past time to dig into their questionable activities as to why support an inferior piece of land for a COA that will cost more in the long run?. I believe VOTERS once again also voted for regionalization. No one can argue the fact the Town is a mess. It's time to do what's right for the seniors and stop this ridiculous spending spree the BOS have been on. There certainly is no need for another oversized building that won't be utilized.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 17:48:03
I find it inexplicable that the School Committee has absolutely no curiosity about what a feasibility study could produce for their benefit- studies that would potentially increase traffic safety for students, the potential opportunities for increased after school and weekend parking for athletics, using the COA as an evacuation site as a consolidation point for teachers and students in the event of an emergency- all at Chatham's expense-not the district. The COA is only open 8-4 weekdays with most programming over by 2:pm. Children are in class from 8:45-3:15. What's the problem? I have no idea why the School Committee feels so threatened by a senior facility being anywhere near the school that they won't even withhold judgment until a feasibility study is completed. I find it really sad. Many other communities have seniors and students on the same campus.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 16:10:06
Sorry, I have to correct a few things. The so called younger generation begged the older folks not to vote to regionalize the schools.

Let's see, who all voted for a town sewer, fire station, Police station all over sized and much more than the town needed.

Back to the subject. Blame the town leadership, not the young folks.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 15:42:09
I didn't hear the school committee say it was willing to revisit its decision to deny "surplus" status.

How (and why) did the school committee get into the weeds of the cost of $130K, COA strategy, merits of 1610, and process? The single. legitimate issue was student safety. A senior center is a quiet or "mild" presence, with hours, for the most part, that compliment the hours of a school, So I'm not convinced this should be an issue. Strikes me there are more advantages than disadvantages to the school if the senior center is on Stepping Stones.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 13:48:00
This is not over in any way. The School Committee agreed that if voters approve the request for a feasibility study for the Stepping Stones site and that study is conducted and positive, they will be discussing giving up the less than 2 acres again. We need to get people to the Special Town Meeting and vote for the feasibility study. Of course it will be a superior site for the senior center. Just need people to come on March 7th at 3 PM and vote YES for Article 1. What the Chronicle didn't report is that the School committee said if it passed and a feasibility study was done it would come back to the school committee-. so it's not over
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 12:31:22
Perspective. A coworker, on her way home last night, stopped to help when she saw a driver hit an kill a horse on a rural stretch of highway. After pulling over to assist, another driver came through the area hitting and killing a second horse then swerved and hit my friend. She died at the scene. She had just bought her dream house. I went to the housewarming last Sunday. She couldn't wait for summer to use her new pool. She wanted her hair shorter, maybe stacked. She had a sweet husband & 2 teenagers. Good heart to the core. She was only 38. I know it's not about Chatham but a moment of reflection...thanks for listening.
Melissa
USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 12:01:02
What a debacle! I predict the entire prospect of a new COA building will be dead. I would like to address the younger generation ) the "ME") people who have been selfish and short-sighted throughout this process from not considering any ideas of multi-generational thinking. Since two of the four Monomoy Regional School Committee members from CHATHAM will have their terms end in May 2020, it is s time to elect at least one member of the senior (the "WE") generation to the MRSC. What an idea! It mightlevel the thinking or at least provide some much-needed wisdom. The BOS dared to SCOLD The attendees at their 2/24 meeting for clapping when they obviously were biased against the grass-roots effort and were not paying even polite attention to speakers. It is time for a HUGE turnout at the upcoming Town Meetings to support the Stepping Stones site for a new COA....let's vote for a WIN -WIN instead of a LOSE-LOSE.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 11:19:55
Judy, I think younger people don't like us so much because "we have all the houses, all the land, and all the money". And so we are called "Boomers" Many of them have college degrees [and debt] that do not translate into a good job in the real word. They think they DESERVE a brand new car or truck, $1,500 cell phones and on and on. What they don't remember is how damn hard we worked and went without to help them.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 10:05:24
I believe Chatham has a lot of open space if someone wants to take a walk in the woods.I also feel that the people who pick up their children by the tennis courts that is not the place to do so unless you think you are special by not picking them up in front of the school like other parents do.These are not a reason to not want a COA building to be built there. As for vouchers for child care,if I remember correctly, Monomoy used to charge $ 3-5.00 ( I don't remember if it was by the day or the week) to the parents to pay for child care,now they want the taxpayer to spend $75,000 to pay for it.
jan
chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 09:39:20
Once again, the younger folks didn't want the seniors to use the Community Center, they wanted regionalization, they wanted ADU's to be able to afford to live here, they want taxpayer money to fund their childcare. Do we see a pattern here? The taxpayers supported them. I hope folks think about this when they show up to vote. As Janice said below - it is the give me, give me, give me, ungrateful generation. I would bet they were probably all handed quite a bit in their short lifetime compared to those of us that worked hard for everything we have. There is no excuse whatsoever, these people can't part with two acres. No excuse. There is also no excuse for our current BOS not to support those that want an alternative.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 08:52:42
Hopefully there will be candidates to run against the BOS and school committee incumbents.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 08:43:24
What is the point of a Special Town Mtg when the School Comm will not declare the land surplus? Isn't this the end of it?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 08:31:23
Next step - not one but two town meetings
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 00:48:44
It's nice that school committee is willing to work with the community. Oh, wait a minute that's not the case. To bad, it's the right site.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 22:59:55
What I found odd about the School Committee vote is it's premature -they apparently have no curiosity or interest in waiting to find out what the benefits and opportunities would be for the school. The fact is as a Municipal building the COA's only open 8-4PM weekdays with current programming 8:45-2PM. Children are in class from 8:45-3:15. Their paths would rarely cross-eliminating 90% of the time. A feasibility study could address all the School Committee's apparent safety issues, provide a building with a generator as an evacuation site, and provide after 4PM weekday and all weekend parking for the school at Chatham"expense.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 20:17:01
Monomoy School Comm just voted to Not declare the Stepping Stone Rd land as surplus. This whole week has been a very unpleasant roller coaster ride!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 19:57:53
4-1-1 in support of Article 1.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 16:24:11
Got home just in time to see the Fin Comm meeting end., Did they discuss the Stepping Stones proposal and if so what was their reaction? Thanks for any info!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 16:09:48
Judy, You made some excellent points. NO ONE helped us with child care payments when our kids were little. We did what we had to do! Same with ADUs and just about everything else you wrote!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 11:01:56
The walk in the woods and the parking lot concerns were expressed by two members of the 365 task force.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 21:01:22
I was referring to the general neighborhood, comparing it to Stepping Stones, which also has an M (school 31.8 acres). I realize there's also commercial on that side of Stony Hill, along with the condos and the dormitory. I'm simply trying to point out that the COA isn't going to disrupt a residential area.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 20:29:23
Debbie - it's zoned "M" - not residential.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:57:17
Condo residences are directly behind the COA. Shane Dr., Bishop's Terrace and CHOP residences all across the street. I think that qualifies it as a residential area.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:38:42
Judy,you are correct and others are feeling the same way about this.They want to keep the land for a pool,totally ridiculous.How about the one that said when he was younger he use to walk that piece of land and would like to preserve it so his kids could do the same. Really, he can't walk 30 of the 32 acres of land and doesn't want to give 2 acres to the seniors of Chatham?It seems to me some people are just ungrateful and are of the gimme I deserve generation.
jan
chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:21:52
Alice - no it is not over, even if School Committee says no. We will still have Special Town Meeting and if enough people turn out and want the feasibility study, perhaps the School Committee will change its mind. There is always that possibility if enough people care and vote YES. BOS presumably will have the feasibility study done and then more pressure can be applied to the School Committee. I find it troubling the young folks don't want this land used after all everyone else has done to support them . We voted for regionalization, we voted for ADU's , there's been the 365 Committee to help them. I think they're being unreasonable . When many of us I were their age we didn't ask for handouts - we moved away where we could afford to live. We didn't expect others to fund childcare. There needs to be some give and take with this . The seniors are doing all the giving and the younger folks are acting like they are entitled to keep this property. . Someone had the audacity the other night to suggest a pool be put on the Stepping Stones property. It's ok for a pool for you - but not a new building for the seniors?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:09:09
I believe where the COA is now that side of the road is not residential.
jan
chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 18:23:43
If the School Comm says "no" isn't the whole thing over?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 14:52:47
I do not understand all the fuss about traffic. Obviously there's more on Route 28 than on Stepping Stones Road. Then there's the argument that Stepping Stones is a residential neighborhood not to be disrupted. Aren't our two schools and the existing COA all in residential neighborhoods? The important questions would all be answered if feasibility studies could be done for both sites. Voters deserve no less.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 09:27:15
Addendum: I live on a rather quiet residential street of about 10 homes per side that connects on south end to that same 4 lane divided road for condo so I deal with up to 24K-26K volumes to get most anywhere from my home. If I go out of this three street development on north end, I deal either with a 11K volume road that's a short block from me or the other 6 lane road mentioned.
Living here seasonally gives me a totally different perspective on what traffic is and it seems that many folks who now live in Chatham have traffic amnesia because they appear to have forgotten what it's like elsewhere.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 02:30:30
Jan, you're missing the point: That these SAME people already and regularly use that SAME section of road to access other places in W Chatham, like Oppenheim, OSJL, USPS, etc and/or to get downtown or out of town so why would it be such a problem to get to/from 1610? Makes NO sense...

So I looked up the traffic counts (average daily volume) for some places here. Near the two condo entrances I mentioned, it's 24K and 26K and that's more consistent year round down here. Other roads that I use often here to get around have counts like 48K, 59K, 51K, 33K and 63K but the main north/south road here that people use has counts over 100K so 18K for here is a fairly minor road.

While i don't use it that often, I have never been slowed down by more than maybe one minute at most by the roundabout on Rt 39/QA in Harwich and usually maybe only 2-3 seconds so I just don't see how the WCR ones could cause any gridlock. When there's nobody trying to enter 28 from G Ryder or Barn Hill, there should be no real delay whatsoever. It would be another story entirely if the side roads had similar volumes to 28 but they do not!

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 02:08:34
Hal,I'll believe the traffic study.We all know there is not 1,800 cars on a year round basis.You ask why this would be different for this piece of road?This piece of road would be used mostly by elderly people.Does it really matter if the word rotary or roundabout is used,the meaning is the same.The condo you are talking about,do thy have 1,800 cars using that same stretch of road during the busy months? All in all, we have different opinions on 1610 Main St.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 17:11:28
John - Selectman Dykens and you have spoken prematurely . Let's wait and see what happens if the rotaries are ever put in. I seriously doubt there will be a COA at 1610 so it will be a non issue anyway.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 17:08:57
Don't forget their will no longer be a turning lane between those roundabouts.

In the summer those roundabouts will cause gridlock between 137 and the roundabout, similar to approaching town. Also approaching from the other direction.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 17:08:17
Jan, as Selectman Dykens clearly pointed out, that traffic argument is totally flawed because those same people use that same portion of road for many other purposes with NO issues so why should this one property now be SO hard to access?
And that traffic count is not the norm all year long...plus it's not rotaties, it's roundabouts which WILL improve the traffic situation, not make it worse.

I am somewhat surrounded here in FL by a retirement/elderly condo complex with over 6,000+ residents and their ONLY access to the complex is via either a four lane divided road with lots of traffic or a six lane divided road with more traffic and they don't have any problems getting around here.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 16:47:24
How about the traffic study that said 18,000 cars a day use that road where 1610 is.I don't think we want the elderly to have to deal with that plus 2 rotaries.I also hope people look at the meeting and they will see how some of the BOS were acting when people were speaking.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 11:20:00
I was also at that meeting. I watched Selectman Dykens and Davis playing on their phones and Selectman Nicastro shuffling papers when the presentations were given on Stepping Stones. Jan is correct in stating their minds were made up. I am totally in agreement with her and will not vote for 1610. The BOS tried to blame the petitioners for not bringing this first to the School Committee. This is our land. They seem to forget that. There are several members of the school committee coming up for re-election. Vote them out. We voted for regionalization for their kids, we voted not to take their Community Center away. Someone actually had the audacity to mention they would like a community pool built in that area. Once again, I applaud the Finance Committee for having the common sense to tell these people to prioritize the funding. The COA is not a priority at this point. The West Chatham Roadway and the Fish Pier are.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 10:43:45
I was also at the meeting last night and I applaud the people who gave us the information on Stepping Stones.I feel the BOS had their mind made up against it before the meeting ever started.I don't care how you arrange a building on the lot of 1610 that lot is not the place for the COA. I did not vote for 1610 at the last town meeting and I will not be voting for it in May. The COA can stay where they are in a building the fits the need.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 10:31:41
Long, Long, Long BOS meeting last night. They voted to not support the Stepping Stones plans. Don't think the Monomoy School Comm will approve it now. . Looks like we are back to 1610 Main. Too bad. At least we could have taken a look at it.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 09:21:53
From Cape Cod Times tonight: " The websites of several Cape Cod towns were down for much of Monday because of a vendor technical issue, leading one town to cancel scheduled meetings through Tuesday.
The towns affected by the outage included Bourne, Chatham, Dennis, Harwich, Mashpee and possibly others."

J. Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 21:20:42
Sorry - just now seeing this on Chronicle FB page - Use http://hosted.earthchannel.com/ChathamMA/ to watch the BOS and other meetings
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 17:07:22
Appears to be a possible issue with the company that provides web sites for town govts as I also can't get to Harwich or Dennis sites and they're both via the same outfit, from what I know.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 14:22:10
I am getting a creepy feeling of "Big Brother" is watching you. I planned to view today's 5 pm important meeting, live via the website, even from my winter perch in CA, but the gremlins are at work I guess. It better be on the on demand video tomorrow!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 14:16:44
Just had the same problem with Harwich.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 12:21:40
Alice - Still having trouble with the site after 12:00! The Chronicle has the BOS
meeting listed for Monday at 5pm in the Annex.

Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 12:11:31
Yes having trouble logging in to town govt via cell phone and computer
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 11:43:21
Alice: Just tried and seems to be having issues -but- remember that meeting info and agendas and such are at separate site: http://www.mytowngovernment.org/02633 which is working fine for me.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 11:25:03
Anybody having trouble logging on to the Town website? Want to see the BOS agenda and where they are having todays mtg. Expect a lot of people. Thanks
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 10:56:24
Josie - you would be better informed by going to the water department and having them explain all this to you. You'll get the facts from them. Good luck.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/23/2020 - 10:14:07
Did anyone receive an important notice regarding sewer connection and service lateral installation? What does it mean and how costly is this procedure for the home owner?
Josie

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/23/2020 - 07:22:38
There's no way that this parcel south of the bike path is being used for "educational purposes". The school committee should be grateful that the middle school has 8 tennis courts and 2 basketball courts under its control. This is highly unusual for any middle school that I know of.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/22/2020 - 18:28:41
I agree Debbie. And Superintendent Carpenter said the district lease is flexible and has provisions for the school department to turn land it leases back to the town if it's declared surplus and no longer needed for "educational purposes". He said that happened with the Harwich Middle School (now used as Harwich's Cultural Center) and added "All it took was a vote of the school committee and the board of selectmen, "and that was pretty much it." So the Board of Selectmen could request that 2 acres be declared surplus. If they don't support a Stepping Stones feasibility study as a viable less expensive alternative and 1610 Main fails, the COA can look to them for blame when they end up with nothing.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 16:44:34
That was a Finance Committee Meeting and I think they've done an excellent job. It's past time that someone noticed the spending spree that our Town Manager and Board of Selectmen have embarked on. They need to prioritize their projects and get them FINISHED before opening another can of worms. On another note, I saw an article in the Sun Chronicle in Norfolk that Mr. Temple is departing for greener pastures. Apparently he won't be held accountable for the mess he caused by not doing his job on the West Chatham roadway. We can only hope that Dr. Bob won't be put in charge if the Fish Pier is any indication of the way he runs things. It's time for the non-performers to leave.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 13:52:15
Oh my God... just saw a photo from a recent Town Meeting of Sprague and Seldin... those two old gals still stirring things up?
Herein lies the problem Chatham. Stagnant, old ideas and attitudes. When will Chatham wake up and open a retired town officials wing at Liberty Commons?

John William
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 11:28:07
My comments and questions on the C.O.A. Who came to the conclusion that we need a new C.O.A. and how did they come to that conclusion? Has anyone bothered to ask why the last classes end around 1:30 in the afternoon and one ends at 11:45.Why can't classes be moved to use the afternoon times better?The luncheon is served on Mondays only.I hear someone comes in as a volunteer to make Mondays lunch and enough soup for the rest of the week to buy.I go by there on a regular basis for the last 20 + years and I don't see the amount of people using it to need a new building.Don't be fooled by the amount of cars there in the Summer,most are parking there from the Shark Center.They can either add on or have someone come in to show them how to utilize the space they already have and have more afternoon classes.What are the rooms in the afternoon being used for if there aren't any classes? To spend $ 8,6000,000.00 is ridiculous for a building that is not needed.I will not vote for 1610 Main St or for Stepping Stones Rd.I believe the town will be surprised at the Annual meeting to see how many people feel the same way.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 11:12:38
Judy I would hope that people pay attention to how the school committee votes on this.
Jan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 10:35:10
I just noticed that Jackie Zibrat Long, Meredith Henderson, Nancy Scott, and Sharon Stout are all School Committee members with their terms expiring in May. Pay careful attention as to how they vote. We can vote them out if they vote against us taking our land back.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 09:19:19
Great question Debbie. We wish we knew!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 09:03:14
Do we know for sure that the School Committee can take a vote on this without a request by Selectmen? Among other things, the petition specifically authorizes Selectmen to enter into negotiations with the School Committee in regard to the use of the parcel.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 08:27:50
The problem we are seeing with Stepping Stone Rd is that we can't do a thing, including a feasibility study without the permission of the School Comm. We cannot send in a survey crew, dig test holes etc without their say so. Unless and until we get their permission, nothing can be done on that land. We ARE in favor of a study but just pointing out some facts. Anybody got any ideas?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 07:51:42
Barry and Judy, I believe Pineapple Joe also was a worker at Desimones in West Chatham.....used to be the Lightship.
Kathleen Nowak <pies2@bellsouth.net>
Sebastian, FL USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 03:31:11
All - Monday, February 24, at 5 PM -- not their usual 6 PM meeting time -- the Selectmen will be hearing an update on the COA 1610 Main Street feasibility study and then holding a Public Meeting on the COA Stepping Stones Road Petition Article requesting a project feasibility study. This meeting is being held in advance of the Special Town Meeting to be held on Saturday, March 7, 2020, at 3 PM, at the Monomoy Regional Middle School Gymnasium at 425 Crowell Road.

We would like to fill the room on Monday with people who signed the petition or would have liked to because they believe that the Stepping Stones site is preferable, or to oppose the 1610 site. We also need speakers. We are guessing that the other side will have plenty of them. Maybe a sentence or two about why you prefer Stepping Stones or oppose 1610. Attached is a list of Advantages of the Stepping Stones site. It doesn't matter if several people use the same reason for supporting Stepping Stones. We need people to try to convince the COA that it is to their benefit to support our Article. Without it, they could be left empty-handed if 1610 is rejected at the May Annual Town Meeting.

Please try to attend. We started this grass-roots movement to provide a safe and suitable facility for the COA and not delay this effort further. The first step is a feasibility study.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 02/20/2020 - 19:38:05
Fred Crimmins is the hero who discovered and suggested the Stepping Stones Rd site......we must thank him and really question the BOS members who seem to be against it. None of the players in this masquerade live in the Stepping Stones area and I can't understand why ANYONE would prefer the 1610 Main St., West Chatham bumpy, busy roadway between two rotaries! Just plain CRAZY.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 02/20/2020 - 19:35:39
Might it be that Fred lives in the neighborhood?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/19/2020 - 08:48:14
I find it ironic in today's Chronicle that the majority of folks against the Stepping Stones location seem to feel the traffic is horrendous. Why don't they drive the horrific West Chatham corridor on a daily basis. This nay-saying, NIMBY attitude is getting old. I truly believe that if Stepping Stones is not selected for a location, the COA will be left with nothing. That will be the end of the discussion.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/19/2020 - 07:55:53
I agree with you completely Elaine. But I don't think BOS wants it there and I think they'll do whatever they can to keep the project at 1610. Unfortunately I think it's ego getting in the way. If they follow the advice of the school committee then they don't look like they are the bad guys.
It was interesting to me that Scott Carpenter (superintendent of monomoy) thought it was a fantastic idea.

Amy
USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 11:41:41
Amy- There is precedent. Harwich declared their Middle School surplus and it's now their Cultural Center. The optimum acreage for rural middle schools the size of Chatham is 24 acres. We are only asking for no more than 2 acres out of 32. There are significant benefits for the School. Since the COA , as a Municipal building, is only open 8-4 and closed on weekends, parking can be used for after school and weekend school events and athletics. Located south of the bike path it will not interfere in anyway with athletic fields. A feasibility study would address traffic and safety, landscaped buffers, and provide an additional site for students and teachers to gather in the event of an emergency. It is a huge opportunity for the school to benefit from a Chatham financed project-rather than the School District.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 10:45:52
Personally I think it has to do with them being wrong and not being able to admit they made a mistake. When a citizen shows up to Town Meeting with a much better plausible idea, I'm sure it's humiliating. They are looking like fools. Mr. Nicastro did no one any favors by the comments he made that were pointed out in last week's Chronicle. They should graciously say they made an error and move on. One would have to be an absolute fool not to see the Stepping Stones property is a better deal.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 09:52:54
It's a mystery to me why BOS isn't on board to consider the Stepping Stones site knowing there's a potential for substantial savings on the COA project cost. Why not find this out?
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 09:38:21
Considering the way the community banded together to support regionalization, for the school committee to reject the idea of giving up a sliver of never to be used land, would be a slap in the face. Is it believable to imagine some members being influenced by the BOS?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 07:18:23
Yes, but if BOS doesn't want to consider the Stepping Stones site, there is no impetus for them to push the school committee. A cynical person might think this is just what BOS wanted.
Amy
USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 05:09:34
Rediculus. Even though it is in the school district, it is still taxpayers funded. The town should take it for what it is needed just like they would do to us if needed.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 23:46:48
Given the demographics of Chatham, there being very few kids born each year to Chatham parents, then why would any one think that the school might need to be expanded? The property is not a High School any more.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 18:55:21
Best answer is to watch Ch 22 to get a sense of their feelings.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 16:13:40
With all the remaining unused land that school would still have after this, and the lack of any plans for it that I've heard about: Why shouldn't they give up this very small part of all that land?
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 16:10:07
If they are not going to turn over the land, why spend money on a study for land we can't have? Yes, it is a mistake not to return it to us but it seems if they don't want to give it back we should move on.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 14:03:15
I think they would be making a huge mistake by not giving us our land back.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 12:57:07
Hopefully the School Committee will decide not to take a vote until after a feasibility study is completed on the Stepping Stones site. Taxpayers should know the estimated total project cost for both sites in order to make an informed decision.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 11:28:48
We have watched the Monomoy School Comm. meeting on ch 22, 3 times. They do not seem to be in favor of letting us have our land back. If that is so, where do we go from there? Would we even need to have a Special Town Mtg?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 09:05:29
Kenny, I was there the day the car went into the breezeway at Shop Ahoy.I was working at Rupert's Market. The car missed my head by about a foot. At that time there were three phone booths in there. The first two were destroyed and there was a man in the third one. He was okay but we had a tough time getting him out as the door was bent. When we got out there he was still on the phone. Do I know you? You seem to have been around for a while.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2020 - 12:42:59
Kenny, you're right, Nick had his shop in that narrow opening where the locksmith is now. You just about had to turn sideways to fit in there.

The only picture I've seen of him is in Rob Carlisle's book from about twenty years ago; Nick being sworn in as a teller or constable, one of the two. He looks just as I remember him. Always friendly with us.

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 18:46:13
Yes, Chrysler Imperial was what I recalled, too, but didn't know it was a summer person. Can still see it wedged right in there. Expensive car back then. Sort of a subdued misty green, maybe?

Oh I bet there are definitely some barbershop stories around, and not 100 percent of them for the re-telling these days either. Kind of a gathering place with its regulars, customs, talk, smoke, magazines, etc. But no sheep, lol. Possibly some hair salon stories out there by any chance?

Interesting about Sonny. Now I know what was actually in that Vitalis bottle!

Kenny
USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 18:09:26
Sorry, I give you this:
"Where do sheep go to get trimmed? The Bah Bah shop."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 17:23:06
Who knew there were so many Chatham barbershop stories out there? Wasn't Nicholas's mother the Town Clerk at one time? Not Mabel Mallowes, but another Mabel. Nick served the community well, as did David Stevenson later in Orleans.
Sonny Walker, later a Chatham barber, was one of the last Coast Guardsmen who knew how to operate the Nauset Light with kerosene lamps, before it was electrified.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 17:09:04
Oh dear, I hope it wasn't my Aunt Agnes (330 Stage Harbor Rd) who drove her Chrysler Imperial from Nashville up every summer.....big fins....big woman.....1940s and 1950s.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 15:38:38
Yes, that's right, Mabel's son Nick moved from next to the Atwood Store into the addition to Shop Ahoy, pretty sure anyway. He might have also done haircuts in peoples' homes, too? Maybe even in the kitchen of his mother's house on Barcliff Ave. at some point, while just starting out?

There was a little opening between the original Shop Ahoy building and the addition, with one or two phone booths (remember phone booths?) part way between front and back.

Really Really Trivial Trivia: Anyone recall the make of the car that got wedged inside that opening after having been parked directly in front of it? I think it was one of those push-button-on-the-dash automatic transmission jobs, not one with a shift lever on the column. Pretty big car, big fins, pretty new I think, which was probably why the wrong button got mistakenly pushed and then the gas stepped on? Pretty funny at the time, no one seriously hurt but maybe a little embarrassed (hope I'm not offending anyone).

Kenny
USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 14:38:11
I remember going to Nick the barber with Dad when I was a kid, but he was in West Chatham at that time. I remember his imposing figure, collared shirts and his big belt buckle. When it was Dad's turn in the chair, I would go and get comfortable in the unused chair in back.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 09:42:41
And before it was the Children's Shop it was the apartment where my Grandmother lived and I stayed with her. Her name was Clara Burgess Eldredge, her husband was "China" Josh. Josh was brother to Good Walter Eldredge... Josh and Walter built 3 skiffs in the basement of Walter's house. The names were Clara, Louise and Christine. Josh and Clara had 3 children, Josh Junior died of a hemorrhage, lived only 5 days. Christine died after 5 years, she died of pneumonia.. As you can see Louise, my mother, was the only survivor.. Lucky Herb, Gordon and John Pratt...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 02/14/2020 - 11:27:48
Tom Janes' barbershop was in the building owned by Johnny Nickerson who had a liquor store in the other half. The Paddock was in the building where Jane Nickerson had the Children's Shop. Did David Stevenson work in Sonny Walker's barbershop for a while?
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 23:41:53
Joe Orlando, known as Joe the barber had a shop next to the triangle.
Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 16:04:13
Thanks Wayne...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 15:12:56
Yes Gordon, I have a post card showing that.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 14:17:50
Barry..... Am I correct in saying the band stand was located between the bowling alley and the Town office building lot ?
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 13:56:38
I did too Gordon.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 13:28:11
And West of Forgerons Shoe Store was Ed Mallows Bowling Alley where I set up pins and played pool back in the 40s...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 13:08:01
No Dick, Tom James was near Forgerons Shoe Store, now Yankee Ingenuity. That was where I got my first haircut. Nick the Barber had his barber shop next to Atwoods Grocery store across from Wayside Inn.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 12:02:23
Next to the Chatham Theater (now The Orpheum), there was the old A&P., with the likes of Tom Slavin, Bucky Goodwin, Cliff Rourke, Gene Bladen, and Manager Rusty Eldredge. Adjoining it was the office of Ken Pratt and the Cape and Vineyard Electric Company. Then the steep driveway. Actually, Sonny Walker had his barber shop near Sandis Diner. Did Tom Janes occupy that shop before Sonny?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 10:59:45
The one near the A&P was run by Tom James
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 09:28:46
Was the barber shop being remembered in the strip mall next to the Old A&P? I vaguely recollect my brother getting a haircut in a shop there. I had to watch & wait. Thought it was kid of a neat place. Didn't do consignment in my youth but DID shop at Scrimshaw Trading when it actually sold 2nd-hand clothes out of barrels!!! Wore one of the wonderfully soft flannel shirts I bought there until it disintegrated!!! Good times.
Melissa
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 09:26:11
I remember that shop and how nice it was.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 07:27:43
The consignment shop was run by my mother and aunt. It was called Next to New.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 06:21:36
Thanks to Barry for confirming the fufu memory. I want to say there was also a consignment shop in the same building but that may be pushing the memory a bit.
Kenny
USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 23:06:22
Barry - thank you. So many of these former town characters - I forget who was who. Glad someone remembers them. I just remember bits and pieces.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 20:52:22
correct email address
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 14:40:12
Judy, that Joe came from Hawaii, I think he might have worked at Christopher Ryder.
Barry Fulcher <robertmm@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 14:36:51
Was he called Pineapple Joe? I seem to remember my grandmother talking about him. . .
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 10:32:34
Dick, and Kenny, that was Joe Orlando, originally he came from Puerto Rico, and he was the barber who said fufu!!
Barry Fulcher <robertmm@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 20:57:17
lol, forgot all about Joe the Barber. Wasn't he in that "strip mall" at the bottom of Seaview Street, next to Gregorian's? Not sure I remember this right, but I think I can hear him talk with a little bit of a foreign accent? Obviously, a lot of people fled to this country from Europe before, during, and after WW2. Wonder whether Joe was one. I want to say he had a name for the liquid he put in your hair. Fufu? You want some fufu? he would ask. Maybe that was someone else.
Kenny
USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 19:04:23
Regarding barber shops in Chatham, for some reason I didn't visit Tom Janes, but rather Joe The Barber. Can't remember his name.
Early on, at Old Harbor Road, Dave Ryder was the barber, using hand powered clippers for his three boys. That taught me to SIT STILL, or have the clippers get caught in my hair and produce hurt if I moved.
Sorry if I disrupted the thread about where the COA should be. Look for my Letter to the Chronicle .

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 16:54:51
Judy and everyone else. Nobody should be afraid of what this group is doing. We wish we could go to their meetings but they seem to be closed. Have to wait until town meeting but believe we will see a well presented plan. We look forward to it and think every one else does too. 500 people said we need to take another look at this. They deserve their chance to show us why and how.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 16:36:26
Amy - totally agree with you. I found it disturbing to hear the comments made by Mr. Nicastro and Mr. Dykens as to the petitioner's wording on the explanation. The folks that spearheaded the petition could not have been much clearer with the wording as to the advantages of the Stepping Stones property. The BOS are certainly against it - and I'd love to know why. It's obvious it is much less expensive than what they "envisioned" at 1610. They should be trying to work with us instead of against us. They should be embarrassed that a citizen brought this to them and they tried to knock it down. Now they are forced to act on a petition that had over 500 signatures and it shows you how clearly they screwed up. Never even an apology. The Finance Committee also has their number. There are so many things going on in this Town that need attention paid to that it's disturbing. This is only one of the things we see that has been brought to light.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 13:30:22
It's pretty clear from watching the BOS meeting last evening that most are digging in their heels on the COA and their desire to have it at 1610. They seem to be doing whatever they can to thwart the efforts of the petitioners of the Stepping Stones Road site. Shame on them for not listening with an open mind to 500 + voters.
Amy
USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 11:57:33
John, I found your post interesting. I never knew that Jimmy was married to Tom Janes. I do remember Ralph Bellamy coming to CHS for a special assembly that apparently his son had a part in. I'm always interested in Village lore since my Grandmother Wheeler lived on School Street and I spent much time there. Great memories.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 21:07:35
Jimmy Walsh Taylor was married Tom Janes, the barber, before she married Ed Taylor. They lived in the Walsh House on the corner of School Street and Hallett Lane. Jimmy ran a summer nursery school and Billy Bellamy went there for two summers. I went most days and knew Billy pretty well only 70 plus years ago.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 18:49:45
Anyone know if the BOS are going to discuss the school property tonite? It's not on the agenda but you never know whats up with them.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 12:18:05
The 7c's was run by the Clarks. It was where Shawns office is
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 09:10:43
I knew Bill pretty well. He worked for a year or two at Chatham Furniture Store in the office when I worked there, before he did coffee shop thing. Had him over for dinner a few times. He was pretty much of a loner. He was the adopted son of Ralph Bellemy the Actor. Lived for a time at the Gould cottages in West Chatham. Good guy.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 07:30:25
Pretty sure Claras was in the post office building on the 28 end. Someone did take over the 7cs after it closed and before Bills opened but cant remember who had it.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 20:23:18
Mr. Ryder. Don't know that answer to that, maybe one of the Baker boys or Miss Norma might know:..
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 19:20:59
Was Clara Bearse's place on the end of the building closest to 28? Four shops in the building altogether and a few apartments above? She made a lot of pies? Maybe sometimes had a lead foot, going all the way from Cedar Street?
Kenny
USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 19:09:44
Did the 7 C's take the place of Clara's?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 17:34:13
Thanks for the answers. Bill's Kitchen. Couldn't remember the name. Was a popular spot for third shift Harwich cops to meet each other for coffee, often all three patrol units simultaneously, no coverage for their whole town. Norm Fennell and/or Bill Greenwood must have found out some of the details from John Raneo near when Raneo retired, maybe before. Little bit of an internal storm over it, early 70s. Don't think Raneo was happy about them all being off base together. Threats quietly made in Chatham by one of the Harwich patrolman about using his sap. Thankfully Chatham police weren't really involved. Different times and quieter then for sure. Would be all over YouTube today. Forgot about the 7 C's restaurant. Too bad about the sad ending, famous father and all. Thanks again.
Kenny
USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 15:08:42
Before he had his place called "Bills Kitchen" he worked at least one summer as the guide at the Chatham Windmill. He started out at [least as far as we know] in the old Clarks 7 C's small building next to the S. Chatham post office. He then moved next to the old Cumbies in S. Chatham. Homestyle cooking like New England boiled dinner followed by split pea soup a couple days later. He came to a very sad ending.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 11:31:55
"Bills Kitchen".. he had a pinball machine..
Chick <ccjink466@gmail.com>
MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 10:50:52
Yes, yes and yes. Didn't last long, as I recall.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 07:32:09
Anyone remember that 24-hour diner in S. Chatham next to Cumberland Farms, on the corner of Morton Road? Did Ralph Bellamy's son own it or work there?
Kenny
USA - Fri 02/07/2020 - 20:28:45
Watching TV this am and seeing actor James Cromwell being interviewed on talk show...maybe it's just me but he looks and sounds much like our John Sweeney from S Chatham...just a observation.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 02/06/2020 - 10:35:02
I am so pleased that the voices of reason and common sense have been so active in Chatham. I applaud their efforts.
If Richard E. Ryder, who resides permanently across the street, could vote I think he would be in favor of building a COA building on Town Owned Land near where he is. Back in 1933, when he died, a support group for elderly people was unheard-of. I think it was called neighbors looking out for each other.

Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 17:50:41
Alice. You are correct. All Municipal and Conservation properties were rejected at the Town Staff level. At the August 5 BOS meeting, the Middle School property was never discussed publicly. Voters were shocked to learn at the Special Town Meeting on January 4 from a citizen -not the Town- there were 32 acres. We were also told that night it was owned by the District. Had we known that wasn't true and it's town owned, I think 1610 would likely have failed. Selectman Nicastro's statement in the CCT that it was up to "advocates" to bring this forward earlier is passing the buck. We pay Town staff to do that. It shouldn't be the job of private citizens to have to be watchdogs and then blamed. Dismissing 511 signatures collected in the dead of winter in only 4 days, and the intelligence of those signing, is divisive and may backfire. If we don't offer Stepping Stones as an alternative, it is likely 1610 will not get 2/3 and the COA will be left with nothing. Not a good strategy.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 11:39:17
There is certainly nothing wrong with slowing things down on 1610 Main and giving this new location a good going over. Like the old saying goes [almost] Lets measure twice and build once!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 10:58:52
The bike path is in a fairly steep gully, thus making for a natural separation for the Senior Center. A Selectman who criticized said that it's a quiet neighborhood. This is a problem? There's a big cemetery right across the street, and I highly doubt that users of this facility would pose a disruption for anyone in the few (mostly seasonal) abutting houses.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 10:47:47
I agree that by already being separated by bike path, that portion of land is not really practical for any school usage and I seriously doubt if anyone ever goes into it now. Plus, there's a very large undeveloped amount of land along the west and north sides of the school so it's not like we'd be taking their last vacant open space.
J Hallgren (as User)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 10:20:15
The BOS seemed to be surprised when it was first brought up at the Special Town Meeting. From that point forward folks realized the many positive aspects of that site vs the negatives of 1610 Main Street. The young folks that may have questions should continue their research more thoroughly to better understand the advantages which include financial as well as location. The bike path that goes around it isolates the building and parking from any intrusion to any playing fields, tennis courts, etc of school property.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 09:53:36
Wondering why the elementary school was put on the table in the very beginning (Nov. 2016) and not the middle school. Fact is the public never knew about the middle school possibility until a citizen finally figured it out after it was too late. This site is in no way being utilized by the school, so I do not understand why some parents would oppose declaring it surplus.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 09:37:37
Good Morning John. Article in todays CC TIMES says the town did evaluate the land in the past and turned it down. If that is true it must have been done in Ex Session. Nobody seems to have any memory of it. It is possible it got passed over by BOS thinking Monomoy District owned it. We are also hearing that parents with school age kids do not want land taken from the school campus. We just don't know.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 08:44:35
One clear advantage to locating the COA on this latest site near the school is the fact the property in West Chatham will remain on the tax rolls!
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/03/2020 - 16:35:47
Alice: Just curious - back when they were first discussing sites, and then after the Middle Rd didn't go, did anyone from public push it like they did now? I don't recall any such advocation for that site. Also, I suspect that most everyone including BOS felt/presumed that it was not possible to use any of the school land once the Monomoy district was formed.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/03/2020 - 15:27:43
The real question is why the BOS never discussed this land in public! We could have had a new COA building up and running by now. How sad! Some one on the BOS really has to answer this question.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/03/2020 - 09:02:17
Those 500 signatures were obtained in less than one week, in the quiet of winter. That alone should tell folks how incredibly against 1610 folks were.for a senior center. It just isn't feasible.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Sun 02/02/2020 - 18:20:20
Thanks John H. for that link. Very impressive that 500 voters signed a petition to consider the site near the school a possibility for the COA.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/02/2020 - 17:39:37
This week's Airport Commission was disastrous. Among other things the commission arrogantly shot down the Selectmen's guidance in forming an Airport Advisory Committee and starting the 20-year plan from scratch. One pilot from Orleans sarcastically said in the Chronicle on Wednesday that Chatham citizens think they own the airport. WHAAAT? He doesn't own a house here and doesn't pay Chatham taxes. He should stay in Orleans.
Denis
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 16:53:20
Via their FB post: https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5505/chatham/5473/Special-Town-Meeting-Will-Be-Called-For-Alternative-Senior-Center-Site.htm
It describes the petition and results...

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 16:14:30
I heard that Dr Gupta was moving there in March.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 09:03:08
Heard on the grapevine that both doctors at Oppenheim Medical are moving to Fontaine Medical. Anyone else know anything about this?
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 07:08:22
Did you know the oldest house in Chatham is up for demolition? 1700 or earlier. 68 Shell Drive. We have got to save it! Join our citizens group. Janet.whittemore@gmail.com, 774-722-0822
Ellen Briggs <Ellen@protectourpast.org>
Chathsm, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 20:05:15
I for one have strong interest in both the "lost" boathouse and the COA being located on Stepping Stones Rd.. So I welcome all posts on these two issues.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:51:44
Emily: One advantage of the format of this site is that it's not threaded so multiple topics and conversations can exist simultaneously just like at a party. So if Richard and others want to discuss the boathouse, nothing stops you and others from discussing COA, ok? Just read past those posts that may not interest you. Maybe you'll need to use the page that shows all posts and not just last five as main page does but it's easily available.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:46:06
Petitions have been turned in. Thank you to everyone who signed. We shall see what the next steps are in a few days. It's apparent there is significant interest in this new parcel of land.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:20:40
Richard Ryder please let us continue with the COA conversation!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:15:17
How shall we proceed in buying the 1936 USCG Boathouse back and having it become the new shellfish upweller building at the Mitchell River Bridge site? That project has been in the works for some time. The1936 building is very close to the proposed new building in size.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 17:24:01
Time for an influx of new town leaders/managers/etc.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 13:43:13
Well remember they didn't even realize it was town property when it was suggested at the meeting. I think that says a lot in itself. With the fish pier (hopefully) nearing completion notice how they are now saying how great the work-quality is. I'm sure the lawsuit will be dropped.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 13:20:04
BOS Chair also said no one came forth with the idea of using Stony Hill land. Isn't that their job? They said over and over they they had looked at ALL town owned land going back to their decision to place COA building on Middle Rd.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 12:55:27
Alice - - The Chairman of the BOS tried to say it was discussed in August - but we've since found out that was not true. They should be ashamed of themselves, along with the Town Manager and others involved in the selection process. I hope this is a lesson for everyone - never, ever underestimate the power of voters.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 10:40:07
Everyone has their own opinion for a new COA but the only one that will count is how they vote at the next meeting.
Janice Susan
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 10:33:24
The existing COA is not adequate and a new facility is definitely needed. The Middle School parcel is a perfect fit and I think it could be built there for much less than $8.6 million. I hope that voters will do the right thing.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 10:01:05
FYI: There's an article in Chronicle this week (just published via website and Facebook) about the COA on school property.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 09:52:23
Since the Special Town Meeting earlier this month,I have talked to quite a few people about the new COA. It seems they do not want a new COA no matter where people want to put.They don't want to spend 8.6 million dollars for a new place when the one they have now is adequate.I totally agree with them.I think at the Town Meeting in May, it will all be voted down,not because they don't accept where it will go but that they just don't want it.
Janice Susan
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 09:26:35
The question is, "Why did the BOS never discuss this location in an open meeting?" How could they ignore this in favor of Middle Rd? We could have a new COA building up and running. What a boondoggle! Going to be some very red faces!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 09:15:52
Right on Dan.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 00:04:04
That is the first place that makes any sense.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 20:38:00
I have reviewed the packet of information explaining the plan for locating the COA at the Stepping Stone Road location. FINALLY, some good old-fashioned common sense has come to the fore! Everything about this site is smart, far-sighted, congenial to all ages for years to come. Seniors will be safe, one story, close to town, enjoying the sights of younger folks nearby enjoying the bike paths, tennis, Pickleball and ball fields. Why not? Have the " powers that be" become tired of the effort involved to find a suitable place.....when it was right under their nose?
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 19:38:40
Thanks Richard. This site makes a lot more sense and a one story building will fit nicely on it. It's ridiculous to have staff sequestered away upstairs when they should be interacting with the Seniors. I truly believe if this site isn't picked the other will most definitely be voted down in May and this will be the end of all discussions.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 18:58:41
I think Fred is referring to the "hills" at both ends of the road, not the site itself. When I worked for Eugene Hanson back in late 1963, I helped paint those cemetery railings. There was no road there back then, just dirt paths if I am not mistaken.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 17:29:49
Fred --- there are no steep hills. You'll see the plans soon enough. No topographical issues. Much safer with three ways to access it. No rotaries. I'd like to think your comment is in jest since you obviously aren't aware there are no steep hills but I have no idea.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 16:59:14
Judy, Stepping Stones should not be subjected to additional traffic. Between the steep decent and ascent on either end and both intersections on curves and subject to poor lines of site. Plus you have to pass a graveyard whichever way you travel. Is that the kind of reminder we want our loved seniors to endure?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 16:22:54
There is a petition being circulated in Chatham asking for a feasibility study to consider locating the Council on Aging at the Middle School property on Stepping Stones Road. There's room for a one-story structure with green space on a safe road with room for parking and expansion, and doesn't impact the bike path or baseball fields. If anyone has any interest in signing one prior to Friday please contact me and I will tell you where you can find one.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 14:05:41
Wait, your wife was excluded even though she and you are members?
Thanks, but I guess I will wait until these folks figure out another venue that will accommodate those who wish to hear what they have to say.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 18:47:55
Richard, Most people that attend these events don't need or have tickets they are members like us. Do you want us to get your name on the list if there is another one?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 17:56:17
My take is they opened the doors way before 1:15. Not fair. It wasn't inclement at all. Even so, I guess we would have been too late if we had been in line at 1:00.
The reality is there is a HUGE amount of interest in this 400th Anniversary of the Mayflower arrival, her trip, etc. I expect the shallop Elizabeth Tilley to be tied up alongside the CG36500 at Rock Harbor sometime this coming season..
Should we be selling tickets in advance? Wait, how else could we sell them? Like, advance reservations. An oxymoron if ever there was one.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 17:41:01
Richard, My wife got there right after you and did not get in either. They did tell her that they were going to try to do another in two weeks and had a sign up sheet. We have some friends there and if you would like we can probably get your name on it. Let me know. Word is the people were all there and in line when the doors opened. The staff was overwhelmed. It is the end of January and a nice day and people are looking for something to do.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 16:50:20
Drove 1/2 hour to get to the Atwood House for a 2 o'clock presentation today. Got there at 1:17, after doors supposedly opened at 1:15. How did the parking lot fill up, parking on the roadside be all taken, and the place sell out in 2 minutes? Suggest advance sale of tickets would be more fair.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 15:30:26
Richard, perhaps you remember that Jake came to most of our Little League games when we were Gulls, so many years ago.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2020 - 21:45:05
When Jake worked for Chase Chevrolet on Old Harbor Road, I might have been 10 or 11. We had plentiful crops of rhubarb, which I found out were, for me, a cash crop. I sold rhubarb stalks to Jake and other mechanics. Bad news: he later nicknamed me Ruebub.
You can't make these stories up.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2020 - 16:46:15
I was lucky to listen to Jake Worth in my younger years. He told me of the wartime days wherein they would walk the beach looking for German saboteurs. IIRC, he and/or his guys rolled a couple of them up once (my memory is hazy so he might have been recalling that a few were balled-up).

He was a font of stories and some great information.

JimP
USA - Sat 01/25/2020 - 15:39:50
Oh how I wish I had known of his experiences at Old Harbor. For some reason, I didn't know enough to ask him questions, and neither did I know enough to ask Jake Worth about his experiences at Monomoy Station. Or to ask Good Walter who lived down the hill, on the beach, from Sammy Morgan. I used to empty Sam's cat box once a week, before cat litter. Got new beach sand / cat litter near Good Walter's classic abode.
Anyone got any Sammy Morgan stories? I think he was a WWI Army Cavalry officer based on what I saw in his garage.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2020 - 16:44:26
I have warm memories of Uncle Ben and Annie from the war years when we stayed on Highland Ave. My mother would take me and my sister over to visit them and I would sit on his lap. What a wonderful mustache he had and stories to delight a small child.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/24/2020 - 15:28:02
Just to set the record straight, I want to say that Surfman Benjamin Oliver Eldredge was a Surfman at Old Harbor Station when it was built in 1898. He married Annie Slavin, who became the Principal of the Chatham High School. Benjamin Slavin Eldredge was their only child, who was killed in a fall while employed in the construction of the Cape Cod Canal Railroad bridge in 1934. He is buried at the the Evergreen Cemetery in Harwich. Not in the concrete at the bridge site.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2020 - 19:19:24
I missed the upwelled vs upweller typo. The print on the screen is pretty small, and the program changes correct spelling to more common words I guess.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/20/2020 - 13:48:15
The CG36500 is 74 this year, but is already on the National Register of Historic Places and has been for over ten years. I am okay with the boathouse being deemed "Historically Significant". Are there preliminary plans for a new upwelled building?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/20/2020 - 13:45:52
"Historically significant" is the operative definition.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/20/2020 - 07:26:48
If we stick to this idea that anything over 75 years old is historic we are going to have start protecting shabby post World War II ranches built on concrete slabs. While they may be just fine for the current owners they are hardly historic.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 19:48:22
The CG boathouse is over 75 years old. Ergo, it's historic.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 19:30:30
The Chatham Boathouse is NOT that historic, it having been built in 1936. However, it was a key to the ongoing maintenance of the CG36500, which would have been hauled out there for bottom painting, etc. I have photos of the 36500 being there.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 18:00:26
In line with Ellen's post, and Debbie's:. I want to find out what interest there might be in getting the USCG Boathouse BACK to Chatham, to serve as a building near the Mitchell River Bridge to house the proposed baby mercenaria mercenaria upwellers that are so important to the shellfishing industry in Chatham. I am willing to start a Go-Fund Me group to get things going.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 17:41:30
Have any of you heard of Protect Our Past, a newly formed not for profit organization which is focused on producing a full length fill documentary about the issues surrounding saving historic properties? As you know, you can't build a historic house. We are losing too many in Chatham, on the Cape and around the nation. Check our out website, www.protectourpast.org. Hey, if you are interested, let me know!
Ellen Briggs <ellen@protectourpast.org>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 17:16:04
FYI: The Chronicle Weekend Update email of coming possible stories this week includes: Fish Pier update; Stage Harbor Coast Guard boathouse in Hull; COA using middle school property...all topics that have been discussed here! So maybe we'll get some answers/info that hasn't been provided before...
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 13:25:52
Richard- I suggest that the Google view isn't current. If I had your email address, I'd send you the photos.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 19:04:57
Senior Chief Roloff told me the other day that there isn't that much water there, even if it is quite wide to a viewer from the Lighthouse overlook. He said their crews have to go across at an angle to find the deepest water too pass over the shallows.. Of course, that was last week.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 18:59:39
I was at the Lighthouse the other day and boy are those some dramatic changes. The land extends to about the beginning of where South beach started, filling in nicely. However their is no South Beach visible as far as I could see, just solid water with 3' breakers.

When did South beach disappear and how far down from the lighthouse is it before the beach starts? All I saw was water.

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 18:48:56
Google Maps for the address you show does not show more than one building, although I do see some relic type CG boats around the building at 125 Main Street. I will have to do a drive by to compare the photos I have with the buildings you suggest are there.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 17:46:05
Richard- Yes, two Coast Guard boathouses in Hull. I believe the Harbormaster just learned about this, so you could get in touch with him.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 17:35:38
125 Main Street just to the left of the white building with the high pitched roof.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 17:22:11
Just looked at Google Maps for Windmill Point in Hull. The old USCG boathouse is still there in what is dated a 2020 satellite view. Wonder where the other one is?........ Do we have an address? It would be very cool to get it back to Chatham.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 16:49:39
OK: So there are two USCG Boathouses in Hull?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 16:43:23
Richard, This is definitely the Chatham USCG Boathouse. It has the distinctive dormers. It's up on blocks, being stored on someone's property. I hope that someone can track down how it got there.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 14:57:22
Wait a second: the boathouse at Hull (Hull Gut) is not the one from Chatham. It is of similar design. I have been in that one as well, and I believe it is still being used by a rowing club to store their boats and equipment.
The last I knew, the Chatham Boat House was in Quincy.
By the way, The Pilgrim Monument was built by a Cashman Company from Quincy. Wonder if it is the same family as the present Cashman Construction outfit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 13:31:22
Saw this via Facebook and sharing it here to help get word out...Town officials want folks to email Coast Guard re planned removal of Chatham Beach lighted whistle buoy C and how it is needed to be kept in place. See this press release on town site:
https://www.chatham-ma.gov/sites/chathamma/files/news/pr_c_buoy_comment_extension_01-17-20_final.pdf

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 12:06:47
I believe that building was built in 1936. Just before it was removed from Stage Harbor, I went inside it and took a lot of photos. It was very well built, and maybe now just showing exterior deterioration. If the present owner, Jay Cashman of Strong Island fame, would be willing to return it, it would be relatively easy for his crew to bring the barge in at high water and reposition the building on pilings. That is how it was built in the first place!
Of course, the Stage Harbor entrance channel will have to be dredged just before the barge shows up. I understand as of now it is quite shoal in places.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 11:34:08
I like the idea of bringing the Coast Guard Boathouse back to Chatham and using it as the upweller building on Stage Harbor almost directly across from the original location.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 07:25:29
I've just seen photographs of our long lost USCG boathouse. It's sitting on a lot in Hull and it's in a very sad state of neglect. Wishing we could get it back. It would make for a wonderful upwelling building.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/17/2020 - 17:45:07
What a tale could be told of the financial benefits of selling alcohol to folks back then, and during Prohibition. Yes, I know there were many who were against such dealings. I surmise it was like us going ten miles over the speed limit.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/17/2020 - 17:10:00
I believe that Marcellus Eldredge helped pay for the Methodist Church clock. It is possible that his brother, Fisher, also contributed. One story I heard was that there were folks in Chatham who wondered if the Town should accept the gift since the Eldredge fortune was earned in the brewery business. Of course, like the library, more sensible heads prevailed and the Town accepted the Eldredge gifts.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/17/2020 - 17:05:20
When I and others were Chatham kids, without a watch or certainly a cell phone, the Methodist Church clock was our timepiece. If we were downtown, it was certainly visible. If we within earshot, either that clock or the one on the High School tower sufficed. I never had a wristwatch until I graduated from High School in 1957. I still have a watch that my Grandfather, Richard E. Ryder, bought in 1917. He must have cherished this , knowing that all of his rescues, etc would have been recorded using his new pocket watch.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 19:13:30
A good way to keep tabs on what's happening at the Fish Pier and other waterfront projects is to watch the videos from the channel 18 Archive of the committee meetings where they report on the status of these projects.
AP Ryan <ryan.annp@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 18:29:20
Went by the Chatham Fish Pier this afternoon. A place dear to my heart .Got lucky and talked with the Wharfinger. He was very upbeat, complimenting the TWO men who are working daily on the project. Stringers for the stairs are being prepared offsite, etc . Problem appears to be the company not supporting the workers to the needed level. They have requested materials in advance but their needs have not been met in a timely fashion.
The company has not provided an empty dumpster since last fall, so the construction trash is building up. Sorry Wayne, but I had other issues and went over there on short notice.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 17:37:45
Cynthia: Maybe (based on Chronicle article) look up the minutes of the 1910 Town meeting where they took responsibility for it?
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 11:50:33
Whose idea was it to buy the "clock" from the Methodist Church? Just curious.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 11:01:05
Richard R. Let me know when you will be there and I will meet you and we can look at it together.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 21:20:32
Emily, I accept the challenge and will give a full report.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 16:47:07
Hmmm, something is fishy at the Fish Pier! Richard Ryder, why don't you drive down from Eastham, have a look and report to the rest of us in the Chat-M-Room? I see it daily on the live video cams and it sure looks unfinished, flimsy, no elevator, no stairs, no access, no worker bees. If Alice is correct about pending legal action, will we endure another summer of non-completion? We need citizen action to help our fishing industry.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 14:25:41
We think that now that the whole thing is going to court, the town has gone silent. Lawsuits probably coming from both sides.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 10:40:38
Richard - I'm pretty sure it hasn't been completed or we'd hear about it. I think folks have just given up on any expectations as to when it will be done.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 08:49:06
Moving on, when will the Fish Pier project be completed? Or is it done already?
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/14/2020 - 17:19:29
Thank you all for your kind comments.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/10/2020 - 16:57:55
Yes Nancy, Judy, and Richard I also enjoyed the article! I printed it and put away with my Pendelton stuff.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 20:43:02
Yes brother Richard, I also enjoyed your article on the 36500!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 20:09:54
Richard - I'm sorry I neglected to mention the excellent article you wrote on the Coast Guard Motor Lifeboat. It was a great read - thank you!
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 19:33:36
Anyone read the article in the daily paper today on the feasibility study Brewster is doing to consolidate two schools and use one for a Community Center? They've talked about getting a Community Center for more than a decade. Sound familiar? It'll probably be up and running before the new COA is.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 19:22:23
Isn't there a Non-Voting section ? A vote by hand requires a person to hold up their card. A voice vote is to me not reliable, as folks tend to shout louder than they might otherwise. The moderator can only discern so much with a voice vote. If non-residents are in the mix, then a hand count with a card held up should be an absolute minimum way to count the votes.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 17:09:58
Just a thought.....why do they allow anyone without a voting card into any Town Meeting? Voice votes cannot be accurate, if this is the case. As a voter, I feel strongly in favor of ballot votes, although sad to see tradition disappear.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 16:14:21
Visiting Chatham soon. I hear that the Squire is a great place to eat and socialize.
Martha
Greenwich, CT USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 09:34:21
As an aside to a very interesting ongoing subject, I wish to relay that Boatswain Mate Chief Travis Roloff, Executive Petty Officer (second in command) of Coast Guard Station Chatham was recently promoted to Senior Chief. He scored # 2 in a service wide exam to achieve his well earned promotion.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 17:24:26
I checked the RFP's on the Town website and the one for 6/28/19 has minimum 57,000 sf. The one for 12/8/17-1/12/18 has "minimum buildable upland at least 65,000 sf, based on M zoning setbacks".
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 15:34:38
Thanks Elaine. That's exactly what I was looking for.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 15:12:22
Debbie- The Request for Proposals (RFP) sent out June 2019 said a site of 70,000 sq ft. or greater would be highly advantageous. Less than 70,000 and greater than 64,000- advantageous. Less than 64,000 but greater than 57,000-least advantageous. 1610 Main is 55,000 +/- but 1/3 is a 49' drop to the pond. In 2018 they were looking for lots of 84,000 sq ft.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 14:42:08
John- Do you know what the minimum lot size requirement was prior to it being changed to 57,000 sf?
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 13:21:59
I would suspect that there's only a few of those various properties that were: large enough; buildable; sewer and water available; free from conservation or other restrictions; on readily accessible street/road; not in outlying areas of town; zoning potentially compatible or similar; etc.

The web page I found shows a couple of pages of properties at least. Remember that the town owns some very unusual and/or small parcels.

J Hallgren (as User)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 13:07:23
Judy- I had to go through every single link on the Projects page in order to figure it out. Not easy because there doesn't seem to be any explanation for rejection of sites. Maybe BOS minutes and Channel 18 would help, but I'm not willing to go through all of them. I agree that there should be a single place where the information on vetting/reasoning can be found.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 13:05:35
Debbie -As I have found out by emailing Shanna earlier - there is no place where they are all compiled.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 12:17:52
They're on the Town website Home page Projects link.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 20:32:14
Did I hear correctly at the meeting that 290+ town owned properties/land were vetted and rejected as possible sites for the COA??? I wonder if we, as tax payers are entitled to see that list?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 18:42:22
The Town has always owned the school buildings and property. Generally the same for every town. The school district leases the building and generally is responsible for its maintenance. When I worked for the Town, we maintained the grounds of all the schools. In Harwich, the district maintains the grounds, or the Town would issue a bill to them to do it in their absence.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 17:40:07
How about a petition for the BOS to investigate the cost to use secret balloting at the annual town meeting
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 12:09:44
Again, Why didn't we think of asking the Selectmen about buying some property back from the School District? They will be asked now we are sure! It is a legitimate question that needs an answer. Can't wait.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 08:34:31
Adding to my previous post, if I'm reading the GIS slide correctly, the treed area abutting Stepping Stones is 75,131 square feet. The total area of the property is 31.749 acres.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 08:01:37
Assessor data has Town of Chatham owning the property. There's two soccer fields, one lacrosse field, one softball field and one baseball field (next to the tennis courts. There's also an area of trees between the bike path and Stepping Stones.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 07:51:27
The question about using school property was turned down because someone said it belonged to Monomoy School District. Who actually owns that land? I'll bet it belongs to the Town of Chatham unless a legal transfer to Monomoy happened.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 07:28:53
Richard - for starters if your dad had been here he would never have gone along with a Special Town Meeting held over the holiday season. I also firmly believe ballot voting should have been the way to go. Huge shoutout to Bill Litchfield for putting Ms Davis and Mr Messina in their rightful places as they tried unsuccessfully to disrupt and take over the meeting. That alone was worth the price of admission and it was way past time those two were put in their place. So many folks talked about that afterwards - just outstanding.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 17:25:09
I am reluctant to tout the wireless voting that we have adopted in Eastham, ( We tend to resent people from "away" telling us what to do ) but I will say I think it allows for folks to vote their conscience and not be intimidated by their neighbors. It is not cheap, but neither is a Town Meeting done at its' best, where votes are taken by secret/ private ballot.
Wonder how Dave Ryder, a Chatham Selectman for 15 years, would have dealt with this issue.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 16:37:14
The problems Jared said said at the meeting of the current COA are lack of parking and topography. The same issues exist with 1610. Bob Ryder - as far as the ballot vote - that was something wasn't it? The biggest show of washashores I've seen in years - all gathered in one place to do one thing - continue to ruin our town.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 16:10:53
Looks like we get to drag it out until May. I heard several people say that we should at least conduct the feasibility study. But if you listened to Elaine's points, the site doesn't even meet the minimum size requirement. Not to mention the host of other problems.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 14:03:34
JudyP, I was there and voted for the secret ballot while being surrounded by hordes of people with minimal knowledge about what Chatham once was. When the main vote came, I watched many heads swiveling around to see how their neighbors had voted. Reminiscent of Britain's Parliamentary procedures?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 12:12:52
We were a little amazed when the question about buying some school land back for a COA came up. It was a "Why didn't we think of that" moment. All of the time and energy we all have put into this may been avoided if someone had asked that question!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:49:56
228 people voted against free land in the dead of winter. Had it required a 2/3 vote it would have been defeated. And h ad it not been "free", that number would have probably been much higher and defeated by a wider margin. We did not have the benefit of seeing the "Letter of Intent" before the vote- still being drafted by attorneys-to know what conditions have been placed on it by the seller. There's no reason that couldn't have been accomplished in time for the meeting to know what Town Meeting actually approved. No amount of time, money or design work can remedy the inherent problems of the size, shape, topography, or location of this site.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:40:21
We asked for a ballot vote at the meeting and the majority ruled against it.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:36:48
Wonder what the vote would have been if in ballot form...
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:15:55
"Candy,popcorn,lollipops all free today"

Do we remember what happened next. Quote s from Chitty Chity Bang Bang for those under 50.

Their is always a catch, nothing is free.

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 20:53:37
Doubtful it would have passed. Kind of like politics -"It's free so let's take it!". Not educated enough on the topic to realize there are some pretty hefty costs associated with it. But it's free so it's a good deal.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 19:49:15
Wonder what the vote would have been if the property had not been offered as a gift.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 18:54:36
Voters didn't show Bruce. That was the problem. Interestingly enough more showed up today than at regular town meeting. The age groups of 40-60 were clearing lacking in attendance.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 17:00:49
And even though it now required only a simple majority, it got at least 64%+ so while a 2/3 for purchase wasn't reached, it certainly was close to it and showed that it's apparently got more support than many believed it would.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:55:14
We keep hearing that everyone is fed up with BOS and government's deceitful ways and how bad of an idea it is , etc etc and yet they voted overwhelmingly to approve. 409 to 228 is no contest, not even remotely close, so realistically, i don't know what you can hope for in May.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:47:08
Richard - it was surprising that many showed. Many were bused in compliments of the COA. Nonetheless it was an outstanding turnout. People had very strong opinions. The interesting facts are that the problems with the land can't be fixed and we get another chance to vote in May.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:42:04
Does the adage "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" apply here? Good news, IMHO, is that there were over 600 people who showed up to vote.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:23:53
it passed 409-228
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 15:27:34
Regardless of current owner and gift, it's still an unsuitable site. I'm still voting "no"-
Amy
USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 09:39:22
Jared, my subconscious came to the same overall conclusion that you described. Still a vociferous "NO" vote from me.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 09:29:09
Lets take 1610 Main off the table for a second. The real question revolves around the Town not being able to finish the projects it has going on and that really bothers us. On top of that, work on the trap Dock has begun. How is that going to go?
Truth is, voters have lost faith in the Towns ability to finish capital projects. Can we really begin another? We leave the answer up to you, the voters!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 09:11:09
I'm surprised the COA with all their whining and lying about the size palace they need is settling for this when other options exist. They have done themselves no favors and more folks have turned against them because of their deceitful ways. This will end up being an empty building in five to ten years when their current "clients" are no longer with us. My age group and younger are more than disgusted with these folks and their levels of deception. You have to love the LTE in the Chronicle this week from our resident troublemaker in Florida calling out everyone that is against this. Apparently he can't absorb the facts proving this land isn't suitable. Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black from a miserable man. Please go vote NO today. This is not over.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 08:47:35
This "gift" to the Town smells completely calculated. I think Dollar Bill felt there might be enough opposition to defeat it, so why not kill that opposition with kindness. Like Judy and others have said, I think the location is crappy and the only reason we are facing this as a potential site, is that the horse's ass who bought it can't do anything with it and wants to get out from underneath it. He had no problem initially trying to screw the taxpayers by offloading this land for more than three times its assessed value. If you believe this is an act of Christmas cheer in honor of his mother and father blah blah blah, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 22:23:19
Debbie and Judy, I totally agree with both of you! I am sure that all businesses will suffer or close during the extended construction projects in W. Chatham, if they ever get under way or completed. I plan to use Old Queen Anne Rd more than ever, and the Orleans road to get around the mess. Past behavior of people in charge of Town projects is the best predictor of future behavior. Vote NO tomorrow and vote NO at the May Town Meeting......I will!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 19:07:19
Totally agree with you Debbie. We can still try to vote it down. As has been discussed on here there are other viable options that would work better.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 14:15:17
Living in the Old Village, I'm really trying hard to picture what it would be like to go there from June to September. Thinking about returning to my end of town from the COA and getting stuck in traffic backed up to the Cornfield is enough to dissuade me from ever wanting to go there. Many of our elders live to the East and they'll be faced with the same predicament. I'm very disappointed that this isn't a concern.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 14:04:14
Judy: Maybe because I'm using logic and common sense instead of an obvious hatred for these projects? You really need to look at this objectively as I am doing, and not objectionably.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 13:43:19
John - No one agrees with you on this subject as you have found out on here. Try as you may - but we don't agree. The problems still remain.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 12:54:52
Front dropoff: NOT needed/necessary due to close proximity of rear entrance. NOT an issue except for those looking for any excuse to be against it. An auxiliary front entrance for walk-ups could be easily accomplished via the planned front exit doors on second floor.
Roundabouts: Another NON issue. If true, which it's NOT, then ANY business or building between G Ryder and Barn Hill will be inaccessible to seniors, including OSJL, Oppenheim Medical, USPS, Larry's PX, etc. Roundabouts will make it easier to access any of these. And the improperly designed 'rotary' downtown has never deterred anyone from going there.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 12:45:57
The issue still remains that it is an unsatisfactory piece of land. There is not enough parking and none will be secured from the abutters. There still have been no figures given as to the cost of the fill needed and what the retaining walls are going to cost. There still remains the issue of zoning needing to be changed. There still remains the issue of the conservation commission giving approvals for the massive amount of trees to be cut down. There still remains the issue that there will be no drop off in the front of the building . The seniors are still going to have to negotiate between two rotaries. This parcel Is just not suitable - and that's what we've said all along. Still go and VOTE NO. If it passes tomorrow we can have one more shot at town meeting in May to defeat it. This is dirty politics at its best .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 11:00:27
Mr Marsh donating his land presents us with the very definition of the word "Conundrum" Since the vote only requires a simple majority not a 2/3s vote, it is likely to pass in spite of the problems there. What is a voter to do?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 10:16:45
What a crock.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 10:15:20
Marsh Offers To Donate Senior Center Land

https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5501/news_shorts/5362/Marsh-Offers-To-Donate-Senior-Center-Land.htm

Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 09:44:11
Here is some more. Go back to the part that ends, Its just such a shame.
Now Dr Bob may not have said what we have put down, but his creditability, surely, on this subject, is shot in this town. The weekly updates on the Pier have all gone away, "whats going on there" we hear people say. There is some small hope in the group 365, it may just help keep some hopes alive. Why hire so many Dept Heads from away? Whats wrong with the locals is what we all say. Now on channel 18 the COA looks brand new but on the mailer they sent us it looks like the old ladys shoe!
There is a little more but its late and we need some sleep. Hope you like it!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 00:23:14
Oh please add the rest.....you were SO spot-on about the Town Debacles!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 19:52:45
To tell the truth there was a lot more to the poem but we thought we were running out of room. Can up the rest tomorrow if anyone cares to see it.
And Yes, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 19:46:49
Happy New Year Richard! I hope folks are listening and pay attention. This is a poor choice for a COA and the town manager and others have proved themselves more than incompetent to handle the current projects in town - let alone use this unsatisfactory piece of land and try to concert it into a sub par COA. Alice blamed the gas company yet the fault lies with Mr Temple who should have been there with a ruler and figured out those pipes weren't placed deep enough. . These town employees are grossly overpaid for their subpar job performances. I don't think they realize how fortunate they are to still be employed. They wouldn't be on my watch - or would they be paid the salaries they are. It is disgusting and once again - it's time to take our town back. Enough is enough.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 17:55:55
Great job Alice! I was wondering if anyone currently knew how to actually rhyme anything! My favorite poem is by Robert Frost, who was formerly the Poet Laureate of this country. It was "Departmental" I want Pat to have it read at my funeral. Has to do with ants dealing with their recently departed. "the word goes out in formic, death has come to Jerry McCormick" etc
Having said that, I hope you all will go and speak your mind at the Special Town Meeting, and be happy that you still have the chance to speak.
My first Chatham Town Meeting was when I was 15. They bought a Huber Maintainer, which I now have parts from for my own machine.
Happy New Year everyone!
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 17:32:58
Outstanding!!! So true.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 16:57:18
Love the tune and and thinking
Josie <teacher233@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 15:23:38
Town Meeting is coming and all over town, every ones smiles have been turned upside down. Some people are saying it's such a shame, that the airport would take their land by eminent domain. Dr Bob was heard saying softly, "If it was up to me, I'd push that darn fish pier right into the sea" The guy running the dump could use a butt kicking, he stopped the good folks from havin fun picken. And on top of that, no more paint from the shed, Whats wrong with that, whats wrong with his head? The fishermen say it wound be ever so nest if the Feds would declare Seals to be the other red meat! The Gas company engineers cant read the Rt 28 plans, they wont lay new pipe, they just don't give a dam. There is still more to come,people fighting over 1610 Main, People are angry, its just such a shame. From Forest Beach to the lighthouse we hear these words spoken, "Whats wrong with our town, our Governments broken!"
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 12:46:19
It's a gorgeous day. Folks should go walk it. Start on Capt Harding's land and follow it down back. You can see where trees have most likely been illegally cut on that parcel and the stack of firewood sitting there. Then you can look at the steep drop next to it. It's ridiculous. I walked it several times the past few days. Interesting what goes on there when no one pays attention.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 12:18:35
Common sense says that the West Chatham location is not suitable. Do we really need to spend $130K to be told that.
Bruno
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 09:56:43
Here's hoping reason and good will prevail in 2020.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 01/01/2020 - 08:26:20
Better than a dull line

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