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Thanks y'all for not causing any issues while I was traveling up here! Only about a 30 degree drop in temperatures from FL!
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/11/2021 - 09:59:18
Bruce and I expect to be returning to Cape Cod in the near future as to be closer to our daughter, Debbie Connors. Bruce, now 92, has had two heart transplants some years ago, stents, and has congestive heart disorder now. We need to find a very good cardiologist on Cape Cod. If anyone can recommend one, from your own experience or that of a close family member, please let us know. Thank you very much. Anna Woodland
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, MA USA - Mon 05/10/2021 - 20:09:42
This is way beyond interesting. I have spent many hours as a docent at Old Harbor Station. Early on, when I was there by myself, I had hoped to hear a voice from my Grandfather, Richard E.. Didn't happen, yet.
Looking forward to being a docent again, even if it is a limited experience for visitors.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 17:57:05
The second paragraph was in reference to the Coast Guard Station.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 17:55:02
Chapmans, I had an unusual experience of my own while painting the interior of Charlie Weston's old house over fifteen years ago. I'll have to share with you sometime.

There have been spectral sightings told to me by numerous enlisted personnel, when I was with the Flotilla there. One Boatswains Mate told me of how he was taking a nap on the couch in the lounge, and awakened by something brushing by on his leg. He looked up to see a translucent figure pass between he and the t.v. and then move behind the couch and out the door.

The Congregational Church is known to have strange occurrences, as did the old Main Street School. I was told John Custodie was shaken up one night alone in the building, when he heard the balls on the pool table break by themselves.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 17:44:34
Folks: A few of us were swapping Cape Cod ghost stories back and forth earlier this week. According to some reasonable minded and sound Chat M Room participants, there are a fair number of restless spirits in some of the elegant old homes in Chatham and Orleans. Does anyone have a good ghostly tale they can share? I understand that both the Eldridge Library and the Congregational Church have had sightings over the years. When I was a kid we had a place in North Chatham with a few acres of land. We 7 kids lived outside all summer long and camped out a lot. On those full moon evenings the property was very mystical and seemed to have a unplaceable energy snapping in the summer air. In any event, the old place was sold in the 1980s and in the early 2000s it was demolished and stately Jay Gadsby type structure replaced it. Apparently a fairly sizable group of Native Americans were found buried there. All 7 of us Chapman kids were not surprised.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 13:21:28
A hearty, healthy and happy Mother's Day to all the Mothers and Grandmothers in the Chat M Room. Today is an important day to remember all that they do. I sure miss my Mom who used to love bombing around Chatham in her bright yellow Jeep Wagoneer. She was so much fun. On a separate note, be sure to welcome the West family back in town from Austin. John H. Hope the trip is going smoothly, let us all know when you get to town safely.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 08:35:52
I like the new east-west landing strip lights for Chatham Airport out in front of Larry's PX.
pete
USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 05:51:39
Ned and Julie - Sear's Point is a possibility... not much room to park though. There once was a makeshift road/path from Lienau Drive toward Stetson Cove during the 1960's and 1970's, but a lot has changed since then! Maybe Stetson Cove Lane or Cedar Crest. Good luck.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/08/2021 - 08:40:37
The lights in West Chatham look like the ones Hyannis installed in the high crime neighborhood of Gen Patton and Hiramar Roads.

Select board voted again to move the Crowell Road intersection project forward. They don't want to lose out on state funding. There will still be another public hearing. How much do you want to bet that at that hearing, the select board will say "we have now spent all this money on the project, it would be foolish not to move forward"-it just keeps happening. The select board works for the taxpayer. I don't see a lot of taxpayer support for this project. Very frustrating!

Amy
USA - Sat 05/08/2021 - 08:35:38
Folks: Need a small bit of guidance. Can any of the Chat M Room gang possibly send me a side email with a recommendation of a house cleaner? We just need someone to come in every couple of weeks and we pay well. A solid lead is good for a free lunch at Squire or Larry's (your choice) Many thanks for your kind consideration.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/07/2021 - 09:11:09
Bill P. I agree with you. I cannot wait to see them lit.
Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 22:49:09
Does anyone else think the new lights between the new roundabouts look out of place? They would look nice in chase park.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 19:13:29
Alan:
MGH is two hours away from Eastham, on a good day.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 17:16:40
Cynthia: Yes, we were directed to it and checked it out. Nice piece to f realty. Many thanks. We also heard there is another "public" path down to the water "that looks private but is not" somewhere on the neck. Does anyone have any idea where that may be? Not sure if it's on the Stetson Cove side or the Wheelwright Beach side. Sorry for all the wacky geographical venue questions; just trying to get our bearings in the new neighborhood. Doane Road wasn't so wooded!
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 16:01:35
I"m no Dr., however I understand the men and woman who Study and Work at the 3 Hospitals develop and perfect these procedures, sometimes spend a life time doing so. They are the best and when something goes astray, the Drs and these hospitals are the most equipped to adapt. In the case of MassGen, their collaboration with Harvard produce some of best outcomes. And just think, they are only about and Hr. and 20 min. away.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 14:47:33
Ned & Julie
I have not seen an answer here to your path question on Cedar street. I just got a reply from "Julie"
There is a path bordered by split rail fence into the property between 123 and 129 Cedar St. It is Shortly before Robinson Court if you are headed down Cedar St from Stage Harbor Rd. There is a small oval sign."
Hope this helps. I will be driving by it .

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 12:28:14
Richard: Don had his aortic valve replaced March 26 this year by going in through his blood vessels. Left him at the hospital on Friday and picked him up on Sunday, fully ambulatory and feeling fine. After three weeks his shortness of breath had disappeared. Amazing procedure.
Elizabeth a Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 08:32:37
HI RICHARD... I had two heart attacks, one in 2012, had an angio plasty,my second attack was in 2013 had a stent.. I was well pleased with both operations at CCH. Go for it Good Buddy..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 19:56:45
Folks:
Do not doubt anything about CCH that has been said. However the top hospitals in the country are the Mayo Clinic, the Clev. Clinic and MG. I speak from experience, MG saved my life.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 19:53:01
Thanks to favorable words from Tony, and others, as well as my own experience, I will choose Cape Cod Hospital for my next cardiac procedure. I don't get the impression that they are second best. The logistics of pre-op and post-op visits are also favorable.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 17:48:04
Allen, the heart center at Cape Cod Hospital is top shelf. My surgeon split his time between MG and CCH. you are in very good hands a in Hyannis
Tony
USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 16:22:20
Richard:

You have very close to you, one of the best "heart Hospitals in the entire USA, I would say within the top 10 and perhaps the top 5-Mass Gen. in Boston.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 21:06:10
The last of the old Clark house on Cockle Cove Rd disappeared yesterday. That corner looks a lot different.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 18:50:17
Any fellow Chathamite have any experience with the new type of minimally invasive aortic valve replacement vs open heart surgery?
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 17:42:25
Safe travels John!
Jennifer
USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 07:35:41
FYI - I will be leaving Clearwater on Wednesday so my access to this site while on trip to Cape is quite limited (generally at night only) so if something goes wrong, be aware I may not know or can do anything about it until Monday.

I also want to separately publicly thank and acknowledge the Chapman's donation to the GoFundMe for Officer Little! Maybe they saw it via here?

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 20:40:03
Glad this system is not employed in the Cardiac Care ICU at Cape Cod Hospital.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 17:50:50
Wayne, I had noticed that and while I have coding to try and prevent it, it seems sometimes to not catch it. However, it can only attempt to detect it when it's the very next post. So, I am wondering if on some devices, the page isn't getting refreshed by user when it normally would. I have noticed on my iPad that a post doesn't show up and I can't do a 'force refresh' using Safari.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 14:37:40
John, duplicate posts have happened several times lately. Some from Emily also.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 14:19:06
FYI- I am wondering if Nancy's post around noon today is a duplicate because it's virtually identical to hers from last Thursday?
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 13:41:39
Bill P, My brother Richard is unable to answer at this time. He is in CCH, unexpectedly preparing for a heart procedure tomorrow.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 11:56:38
In case some haven't seen this by other ways, like Facebook or such, here's a link to a fund for CPD Officer Bill Little who had a stroke last week:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/stroke-recovery-fund-for-officer-bill-little

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 10:06:52
Welcome back on deck Richard! Glad to hear that you are on the mend.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 09:35:56
Richard, did you know one of the doctors in the ICU was a Chatham commercial shell fisherman when he was younger. I don't want to name him for privacy reasons.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 21:08:48
Hey Richard All the old farts talk about are medical problems so I will simply welcome you to the pacemaker club If its any reassurance I'm in my fourth year. Did you know there is a special button you can push to redirect electric impulses to other organs in times of need? Not covered by medicare and costs extra but well worth it. Just sayin
ben h
USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 20:34:00
Heck Richard:
3 days, I thought you eat nails for breakfast and would be walking around 1 day afterwards. Glad to see you are up and about. The larger question, did this object placed in you, increase your pep? And did this all of a sudden come about or had this be some lingering thing?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 19:49:09
When at CCH, I was bedridden for 3 days. When I did get up and was able to look out the complete window, I could see the original gold leafed roof topping, which has been saved from the original CCH building where so many of us started out as Cape Codders.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 17:37:27
Stage Island, April 30th, 1957

Explorer Post 71 of Chatham was asked to rid Stage Island, Chatham of junk cars. After cutting the cars up with acetylene torches, the Post used a scow from Des Eldredge to remove iron pieces to the mainland for sale to a junk dealer. The site was next door to the Coast Guard Boathouse.
( I am not sure who took the photo -- might have been Verne Hunt) Too bad so many of those guys have passed on. I have the names if anyone is interested.
Yes, I am back home from the CCH Cardio ICU with a pacemaker.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 17:20:56
Nancy, I hope he will be OK.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 22:51:39
Sending good thoughts to Richard the "rock" of our room
ben h
USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 22:24:46
Bill P, My brother Richard is unable to answer at this time. He is in CCH, unexpectedly preparing for a heart procedure tomorrow.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 20:48:31
How about a little back story on that photo.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 19:43:00
Richard Ryder, you are in the chronicle this week. Bob also.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 19:38:36
Ned & Julie Cedar st conservation lands-from town web site
F Cedar Street 3-acres with mowed trails and fruit trees. Park at Oyster Pond and walk south on Stage Harbor Road turning right onto Cedar Street. The signed entrance is on the left, marked with a split rail fence.

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 08:01:33
Cedar swamp?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 06:34:32
Folks: Does anyone know where the Conservation Land is on the south side of Cedar Street? Saw it on a map and can't find it easily. It's not off Black Duck is it? Any guidance appreciated.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/28/2021 - 17:56:56
Oh, okay....me too.

Fish-er net stockings.

Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/28/2021 - 10:26:44
Town Team under lights??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Tue 04/27/2021 - 21:03:28
Town team practicing under the lights??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Tue 04/27/2021 - 20:34:29
Well said Richard, and right on!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 20:31:16
Anne Doane's Grandfather, Joseph C Kelley, was the youngest man to ever have served as a Keeper in the US Life-Saving service.
Anne was my Prom Date at Chatham High when we met at the Chatham Bars Inn, ca 1957.
I am not making this stuff up.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 17:54:32
How could I have forgotten Ralph Nickerson, from Cedar Street. ? And his Mother Gladys, who I worked with at Ruby's Laundry and Dry Cleaning Shop in West Chatham . I think Anne Doane worked there in the summer, as did Betty Boop" Bearse.
I had no idea at the time that all of us at Ruby's had connections with the U.S Life Saving Service, the precursor of the US Coast Guard.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 17:43:21
Ned and Julie:
Back in the day, in the 50's, Cedar Street was inhabited by the Roger Nickerson Family at the western end, a CPA, a Bearse family, as well as the Wesley and Jeanette Small family on the other end, closer to Stage Harbor Road. My mother gave Jeanette clothes for her kids that we had outgrown. Roger ("Pickwick", like in ale) Nickerson and his wife Gladys, had children but I can't remember their names. Brother Bob lived at the very end of Cedar Street in a home owned by Rev. Steve Smith., the Methodist Church Minister who later went to Wellfleet. He officiated at sister Nancy's wedding, in Wellfleet.

The income level of Cedar Street inhabitants has certainly changed.

Just in case folks don't know, there are no such things as Snipes to hunt. Like looking for a Sea Bat in the US Navy.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 16:54:06
Courtesy heads up. We've been unpacking boxes here on Cedar Street from a recent move. If anyone needs any good solid cardboard boxes and packing paper, send me an email. Happy to pass them along to someone in the Chat M Room family. Hate to just send them to the dump. Tommy and Linda Doane, many thanks for the loan of your power drill. Will get it back to you tomorrow. Jim: Thanks for the tip on the Morris Island snipes. Bagged 7 and we had them for dinner with risotto and a nice red.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/25/2021 - 23:17:19
Baseball game on Veterans Field this afternoon. Warms the heart!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/24/2021 - 16:16:09
Ned, snipe hunt out on Morris Island. bring a sack.....
JimP
USA - Fri 04/23/2021 - 17:47:22
Hey all. Man, now that "fisher" stuff was kind of fun. The Chat M Room crew is a pretty clever bunch! Potential new topic. Headed to Chatham for a couple of weeks. Does anyone know of anything cool going down on the lower Cape (e.g., important community meetings, history stuff, wildlife related, new places to eat, auctions, big yard sales, sports related, fund raising events, etc.) that they can share? Any advice or guidance appreciated. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/23/2021 - 16:20:16
Sorry Ned and Julie, no credit. Fishers of men was already used.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/21/2021 - 17:49:32
"Follow me and I will make you fishers of men." Matthew 4:19.
Sorry, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/20/2021 - 16:28:53
Miss "Fisher's" Murder Mysteries

Australian TV show

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 22:30:39
Fisher College
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 22:26:34
I saw a fissure on a volcano when I was in Hawaii
JJ
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 16:22:35
Oh, okay....me too.

Fish-er net stockings.

Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 13:04:39
Ok I'll play.

Also "Fishers of Men."

In Luke 5:10, Jesus tells Simon, "Do not be afraid; from now on you will be catching men."

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/18/2021 - 20:24:39
I would think so Richard. Of course, in turn, "Fischer's" who play chess are obviously "Bobby" Fishers.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/18/2021 - 10:41:02
Are male fishers considered fisher men? Just couldn't let this pass.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/17/2021 - 17:26:19
In the late fifties I used to see two otters playing in the yard of a house off Shore Rd between CBI and CB avenue. Someone said they were pets, but now I wonder why they were there. Muddy creek is a wonderful place to kayak. Saw the swans at the end. Now I can look for an otter.
Elizabeth Edgel
USA - Fri 04/16/2021 - 20:34:15
Yes, they had to go to the Merrimack River for training. as the surf conditions at Chatham weren't what they needed to get the crews qualified in a timely manner.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/15/2021 - 10:36:57
Chatham's surf boats in training. These things are almost like submarines.

Nice video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4xYfBNs8ls

A Coast Guard crew aboard Station Chatham's 42-foot Special Purpose Craft - Near Shore Lifeboat crashes through the surf of the Merrimack River bar during surf training,

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 21:49:55
It seems to me that in recent stories in the local press, the capabilities of the proposed 45 footers that will replace the 42 footers have not been represented accurately. First of all, they are self righting. Secondly, they draw 3' 4", not ten feet. The 42's draw 3.5 feet, as does the CG36500. Not much difference there.
Be glad the Coast Guard has replacements for the 42's, which have been problematic ever since they were deployed to Station Chatham. The engines in the 45's are GM MTU Series 60 Detroit diesels, not Rolls Royce. The water jets are from Rolls-Royce, not the engines.
The CG36500 has a Detroit Diesel 4-71 series, built in 1948. Still running.
Bernie Webber told me most times he went over the Chatham Bar, the boat would bounce off the bottom.,

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 17:57:36
Seems to me there has been some misinformation spread in the press about how the 42 footers compare with the 45's. The 42's draw 3.5 feet (as does the CG36500). The 45 footers draw 3'4", a little less. So what is the beef there? They are self righting. Be glad the Coast Guard has replacements for the 42 footers, which have been proven to be not reliable ever since they were deployed to Chatham.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 17:35:07
Sandy, Are you sure it was an otter and not a fisher? Fishers have been known to frequent the area.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 09:44:48
The kayak group of Monomoy Yacht Club saw a group of otters cavorting way up Muddy Creek a few years ago. My vote is for a Fisher near the school....I saw one near the N.Chatham P.O. Last year!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/13/2021 - 09:05:47
about 45 years ago there was an otter at the end of Vineyard ave. he'd swim out to my boat with me every day when I'd go clamming, scratching, fishing. Cute little guy, liked to swim around me and have fun. Just disappeared one day. Some idiot probably killed it. Told few people as they said I was making it up.
JimP
USA - Tue 04/13/2021 - 06:22:34
Over the past 25 years or so, I have occasionally seen otter tracks in the snow here in Eastham. The snow must make for easy going for them.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/12/2021 - 17:23:14
As a matter of fact I saw an otter a few weeks back on the shore of Muddy Creek. I thought I must be hallucinating until I checked online and saw that there is a population in Mashpee, and that Cape Wildlife has been rehabilitating and releasing some on the Outer Cape. Yours must have been lost, not a lot of water around the Elementary School.
https://www.capecod.com/community/cape-cod-river-otters/

Dave C
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 19:08:20
Steve: Check out the Chatham Shellfish people like Renee Gagne, who will fill you in on their operation. It is to be a lateral move.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 17:52:20
Sandy, Are you sure it was an otter and not a fisher? Fishers have been known to frequent the area.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 15:27:56
Do I understand correctly that there are now 4 upwellers in Chatham and the town wants to add their own? Ate the existing upwellers unable to meet the demand?
Steve Burlingame <sjburlingame@outlook.com>
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 03:33:16
I saw movement outside my classroom window at Chatham Elementary school the other day so I looked out and I saw an otter walking (galavanting?) along the side of the school and disappear through some trees towards Old Academy road. I know there is a little pond on that street so it was probably going there. Has anyone else seen otters around Chatham?
Sandy Hanson
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 04/10/2021 - 20:59:03
Interesting to hear from Chatham guys that are somewhat older than I. Dating in Chatham was a challenge, especially if you didn't have a car.
By the way, we are planning an event next February 18th to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Pendleton rescue. We want to invite back anyone who was there to witness the CG36500 coming back to the Fish Pier with 32 men., plus the crew.
I know that Archie Nickerson and George Goodspeed,Jr were there as well as my siblings. Are there any other folks still alive that were there on February 18th, 1952 ? It would be good to have all of them attend to relate their stories.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/10/2021 - 17:40:05
Gordon Pratt: Good to "hear" from you. Jane had married by the time I left. I was seeing Jean before I went into the Army but, alas, time, distance ... Recalling the Ping Pong matches at Hallowell's bowling alley and nickle beer when Narraganset rep showed up at the Legion.
John M. Stevenson
USA - Sat 04/10/2021 - 11:40:36
John M. Stevenson, It is great to see your name here !! It was a pleasure to work with you at Chatham Trust, both as a teller and as a janitor !!!! Plus I really enjoyed the double-dates you and I had with JEAN Macdonald and JANE Harding.....
The heavy snow storm we were in.

Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 04/08/2021 - 19:05:05
Richard:
Hmmm, no other takers on this one.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 04/08/2021 - 14:55:54
Alan, you are week late for April Fool's pranks.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 17:30:17
We refer to the town landing at the end of Battlefield Road as Wheelwright's.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 16:47:53
Underestand that over that last day or two, Disney is going to build some kind of facility in Harwichport that will certainly have an impact on surrounding communities if this is true
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 16:38:15
Cynthia: Many thanks for the information on campfires. We'll look into it. We have an old Dutch Oven that we used a lot when the boys were Scouts. Hoping to have a small fire on the little Stage Harbor beach off Battlefield Road and make some apple crumble and throw some vanilla ice cream on it! Does anyone know the name of that beach by any chance?
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 12:28:10
I'm a Chatham native. Left employment at Chatham Trust Co. for a military career followed by another career in the commercial insurance industry. Enjoy following comments by former CHS '53 classmates or their children, and former co-workers and fellow travelers back in the day.
John M. Stevenson <jmstevenson@pa.net>
Gettysburg, PA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 10:22:22
Cynthia, Did not realize you lived near my dad. On Old Harbor?
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/06/2021 - 18:52:20
Ned & Julie

Cooking camp fires for National Seashore Parks call: (508) 255-3421
Chatham camp fire/ cooking fires call 508- 945 2324

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/06/2021 - 10:38:33
All: What is the procedure iif a family wanted to have a small cooking fire on a Chatham beach? Is it possible in Chatham or on the National Seashore? Any guidance appreciated.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/06/2021 - 10:30:16
Happy Easter to the folks of the Chat-M-Room. Hope that all goes well as we roll into Spring.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Cahtsm, MA USA - Sun 04/04/2021 - 11:47:50
Happy birthday, John
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/03/2021 - 15:18:20
I had also heard that NWS was looking at potentially using CCNS headquarters area on Marconi Site Rd for balloon launches.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 04/02/2021 - 07:35:01
Rumor has it that weather balloon launches likely headed to JOINT BASE Cape Cod.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/02/2021 - 05:09:26
A reasonable person would think that the Chatham Airport would suffice for launching weather balloons, assuming no air traffic. Or how about the Chatham CG Station lawn?
Gotta love the CC Chronicle edition this week! April Fools!

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 18:50:12
Does anyone know if there are plans to retain the weather balloon program in
Chatham?

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 18:03:46
I think that the Coast Guard is doing local mariners a favor by bringing in somewhat larger and more reliable vessels. How many times would a 45 NOT been dispatched due to weather conditions? And how many times were the 42's not dispatched due to weather conditions? And how many times was there only ONE 42 available, if that, out of three? Inquiring minds want to know.
Ya gotta get out and talk to the men and women who operate these things. Of course they can't reveal their opinions to the press.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 17:44:19
According to Tim Dring, CG Small Boat expert and Co-Author, "American Coastal Rescue Craft", the 45's have undergone some surf evaluation at Cape Disappointment, the CG Heavy Weather Training site. Those tests must have been taken in to account in making the decision to put two in Chatham. The CG36500 was never classified as a surfboat, but as a Motor Lifeboat. The 26 footers were classified as Motor Surfboats, replacing the oar powered ones.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 14:35:29
I see on Wikipedia that the USCG Response Boat, Medium draws about the same as the CG36500, but their speed is awesome. Not sure what the operating limitations might be.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 17:06:07
Sounds like a good plan. The three unique 42 footers in Chatham have been nothing but problems for the mechanics there. The 45's are pretty well accepted as far as I know, having been on a couple- one in Sandwich and one on Lake Ontario. Speaking to the men and women unofficially who operate them does give some insight. The working platform is a little higher off the water. Not sure how much water they draw, but it can't be too much more than the 42's.
Being jet powered, they will have their limitations in shoal water.
Standing by for more information.
CG36500 Coxswain

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 16:35:14
Richard, all three surf boats being removed and 2 45' patrol boats added.
Bill P
USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 11:52:41
Are the 42's being replaced with 45 footers? Or being totally eliminated?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 11:49:23
US Coast Guard to remove Surf Boats from Station Chatham? Say it aint so!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 11:00:04
Thank you, Cynthia for your kind words. Yes, so many changes on Old Harbor. When I moved to assisted living in 2015 it was with a heavy heart as I loved my home so much. It was also special as it was across the street from the home I grew up in, so lots of memories. Life goes on.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 09:48:37
Yes Nancy Ryder Petrus. From 1965 to 1996 on Patten Lane behind the old funeral home. Loved your home and how it was decorated and sorely missed it when you moved. So many changes on Old Harbor Road!
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 08:08:37
I just scrolled through some of the archives of the chat room for the first time. Hard to believe that this forum has existed for 20 years. It was nice to read names again of those no longer here. Thanks to John for not only operating this site, but dragging the archives over as well. A lot of anecdotal information and funny conversations in them.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/30/2021 - 20:06:21
Cynthia, Did not realize you lived near my dad. On Old Harbor?
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/30/2021 - 10:43:17
Bob White- yes they used to scurry though our yard when we lived near Dave Ryder.That was the 80s. Heard their call here in South Chatham a few years ago but no sightings. I miss the cat birds. See maybe one a year now. Plenty of crows!
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/30/2021 - 08:09:42
I think the pheasants were initially released in the CCNS as a continuing source of hunting pleasure as well as a source of wild game to eat. Having eaten only one,( a road kill in CT, another story,) I can say they are more tasty than chicken. We did have one male hanging around here in Eastham some years ago, but they don't seem to be prevalent since the stocking stopped.
Turkeys? - yes.
Does anyone in Chatham ever hear or see bobwhite quail any more? Did we ever?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/29/2021 - 17:14:23
Thanks Tommy. I miss that. Always means spring trout season is ahead. Used to camp out and head out early to be on the pond for sunrise. They still stocking the ponds/lakes up there?

Right behind that the schoolies come in so you had a ball catching those. summer into fall - then pheasant season on Marconi. I guess they did away with that years ago. Deer, duck and goose season follows and then a few quiet months until it starts all over again.

JimP
USA - Mon 03/29/2021 - 09:10:42
Jim P, Peepers have been out for a few days,and they are very loud.
Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 23:42:22
We don't live where Hyla Crucifer's are, but maybe others have heard them. (Supposedly these little guys have a cross on their back, although I have never seen one close up.)
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 17:36:46
spring peepers out yet?
JimP
USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 16:09:37
No, but there was a photo on the front page of the Chronicle showing 5000 seals on Spring Break at Monomoy.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 15:02:18
Mr. P. the Forsythia just staring to pop, so a week or so..
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 15:01:53
Exactly!! Keep a sharp eye out up there Richard, Liberty is fleeting and we need to be ever vigilant against encroachments.

So we don't stray to far off John's purpose for the site....anyone starting to see herring? Any Striper arrivals yet?

JimP
USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 12:13:19
Yes, and to protect the country from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 09:08:41
Jim P, I too have always thought the argument that the Second Amendment only protects black powder muskets, was garbage. I once dated a girl who would later become a delegate during the 2012 election. In a debate one night, she told me that 2A was, "for the old days." Since she was a very enlightened democrat and I was not, I had no idea that constitutional amendments expired. I should have asked when the 19th Amendment expires and gauged her response.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 08:25:07
Richard, using your computer when only a quill was around is equally absurd. Use your vast military experience and research the rationale and reason for the 2d Amendment: to have and utilize weapons common in use to the military of the day.

Are there any other amendments you'd like to get rid of? How about that pesky First Amendment? The 4th is a bit of a stickler as well - keeps the government from grabbing things they deem "troublesome."

As a Veteran, I'd expect more from you. Some of us never forget our sworn oath to preserve and defend the Constitution.

JimP
USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 19:04:54
Comparing single shot muskets to automatic weapons is absurd. Certainly you folks know better.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 17:34:33
Thanks Jim. I know. I researched coming back there and found out that I'll have to keep most of my weaponry out of State; if I - indeed - had any weapons that survived the tragic boating accident of 2012....which of course I don't.

I find that tragically ironic since seizure of weapons was the spark of our revolution and the start of our great Republic. Mass seems to have forgotten that little gem.

JimP
USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 17:11:52
JimP - AR-15s are not allowed to be purchased in Massachusetts, but people who had them before the ban can still own them.

Additionally, there are some AR-15-like weapons on the MA approved firearms list. You can view that list here. https://www.mass.gov/lists/approved-firearms-rosters

Of course, none can be sold with magazine larger than 10 rounds.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 09:42:17
Alan, that Boulder Officer has gotten a lot of media attention, possibly because he was the first one named before any civilians. Not sure how you missed that.
Jim, he gave up a six figure IT job to become a cop at age 40. A real life variation of the ABC show The Rookie.

J Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/25/2021 - 20:29:33
Alan, he was a hero who gave up a lucrative career (can't remember doing what right now) to be a Police Officer. Truly a noble man who gave his life protecting others. You are spot-on about the mentally ill. Guess we'll have to wait and see what Martha Healey decides to outlaw next; we've got to keep Richard safe.
JimP
USA - Thu 03/25/2021 - 18:15:11
Another piece of this overall picture is the officers who do protect chatham and the surrounding Cape communities and this de fund the police issue-sheer nonsense!
Folks need to remember guys like Falmouth's John Busby who was nearly gunned down in 1979. Or take the case of the more recent 2018 Yarmouth cop, Sean Gannon who was slain April 18, 2018. Some forget about guys like this, guys who gave everything to protect us from ruthless characters. Still hardly any mention of Mental Illness which seems to be the root cause of nearly all the mass shooting over the past 10 years and perhaps the last 2 in "Atlanta" and "Boulder." And what about that Boulder officer who was first to respond to that incident, have not heard too much about he.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/24/2021 - 22:16:05
Richard, why wouldn't it be safe? AR 15's are illegal I'm Massachusetts. I'm sure everyone up there is law-abiding....right? Just outlaw them. That'll stop it.
JimP
USA - Wed 03/24/2021 - 20:04:49
I have to wonder how many AR-15's there are in the Outer Cape, supposedly in responsible hands. Is it safe to go to Stop and Shop in Orleans?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/24/2021 - 17:22:24
How does this double posting happen? I have not even checked in on this room in days.....and bingo, here I am again! So sorry.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/21/2021 - 13:49:58
Please stop this banter! Everyone is entitled to be passionate about their point of view, but it should not include personal criticism. I am a super senior, three generations of living and voting in Chatham, a town that I dearly love. I have the list of what Town employees earn which astounds me, I watch most Select Board meetings, I read the Chronicle and I have opinions about what monies are spent on various projects. The COA at 1610 is a very bad idea for safety and practical reasons and should be designed to co-habit with the elementary school.....and if we don't get going fast building affordable housing on Middle Rd, there won't be any children attending 10 yrs, from now. It is our tax dollars and we should all voice our opinions at Town Meetings and start using common sense. More civility would be a pleasure between the haves and the have nots and the old timers and new folks.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/21/2021 - 09:57:34
Tommy: Many thanks neighbor and happy first day of Spring! Great to be back in Chatham - God's Country. What a spot we all have the privilege to live in. We're looking forward to seeing you all out and about.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Edmund.w..chapman@exxonmobil.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/20/2021 - 19:15:40
Sorry Tommy, I thought you were referring to mounting a Post Office Box..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sat 03/20/2021 - 10:15:56
Richard Ryder. You are correct. Maybe I should not post so late at night.
Thanks

Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Fri 03/19/2021 - 23:21:24
I think Tommy Doane might have been referring to an Osprey Nest.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/19/2021 - 17:50:52
Hi Tommy.. Gordon here..I retired from the Chatham Office.. See if I can help you..
The USPS does not legislate the relocation of residential mailboxes nationally. Rather, they allow local postmasters to decide what is best for their geographic location and mail service. ... It can save you a lot of headache if you take the time to call or visit the post office before moving your house mailbox. here...

Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 03/19/2021 - 12:23:05
I see that Ned and Julie Chapman have moved to Cedar Street. WELCOME
Does anyone have any idea how to go about getting a platform put on a telephone post on Champlain Road. The one that was there blew down, with parent and 2 babies in the " tornado " we had last year. Thanks.

Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 23:36:28
Anyone remember the "Pit"? An infamous collection of cottages which served as summer lodging for college baseball players as well as groups of college girls who were waitresses at the Ryder House and elsewhere/ One of the more infamous residents was "Babbo" David Babson who later became a NH state representative. Among the more memorable Babbo stories was his playing several games as a member of a college hockey team (BU, Dartmouth?) when he was not even enrolled as a student. Babbo could talk his way into anything and was always the keg master. Fun memories
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 19:58:26
It was sarcasm Bill. Judy told me " Maybe if you had a history here like so many of us you wouldn't be so quick to criticize." implying that since I haven't lived in Chatham for as long as some of you I shouldn't "criticize" others opinions. Perhaps I'm not the one who can't handle someone disagreeing with me.

By the way, I'm still waiting for a response to those two points...

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 16:24:54
Reality check! Justin can not claim he can't post as he has many, many posts. More than many others.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they want you to go away!

Keep posting.

Bill P
USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 14:28:20
Thank you John. I was referring to Judy basically telling me earlier that I shouldn't speak on a matter because I haven't lived here long enough.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 11:39:25
Justin: You certainly have every right to post here! Even someone who only visits Chatham has that ability as I don't restrict users. You may get negative comments from others but that shouldn't stop you from posting and I have found nothing objectionable whatsoever about your posts, ok?
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 09:28:34
First of all I agree with Emily that the sniping has to stop, I do think 1610 is the best place for the COA because there is no other place in town to support it. It would have been nice if they could have used the Depot st. school but that's not going to happen. Justin you should be able to post your feelings and look forward to more of your posts. Unfortunately some of the people feel that other peoples opinions don't count. Let's stop the bullying and be civil with each other.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 08:39:58
Judy, you still have not responded to two of my points.

1) People don't have to work in Chatham to live in Chatham. We need more younger families here so the town has a future. To suggest that young families would say "Oh there's no jobs, guess I'll deal drugs." Instead of "maybe I should look in Harwich or Orleans or Brewster" is purely asinine.

2) Where do you propose we create these jobs? Don't just present a problem. Present a solution.

Oh, stupid me. I forgot I haven't lived here long enough to comment. It won't happen again. For future reference though, what is the minimum amount of time I need to live here before I can comment?

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 08:27:51
Judging from several comments here, I am wondering if folks are really informed about the parameters regarding affordable/attainable housing. Unfortunately this housing does not cater specifically to Chatham residents. There is a lottery. My point of the entire discussion is that without sustainable jobs here drug dealing is a very profitable way to make a living. For folks to think young people should move here without sustainable jobs shows you how far out of touch the some folks really are.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 07:37:35
Also a Chatham lawyer. I recommend HBO's Heroine Cape Cod. It will open some eyes.
Bill P
USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 20:51:17
I also know hard working folks who live in other "attainable and affordable" areas. Not sure which neighborhoods are being referring to. Regardless, future/hypothetical housing plans would have no prior connection with drug issues as the developments don't exist yet. There's drug use in middle and high-income neighborhoods, too. Chatham has never been immune to "those problems", nor are those problems correlated with income or housing. I recall a certain developer back in 1981 robbing drugs from the state barracks. He wasn't living in attainable or affordable housing at the time.
Lisa
USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 17:42:56
Lisa - I most certainly was not referring to Elkanah and can't believe you said that. Some of my good friends live there and I absolutely know how hard everyone works that live there. . There are other areas in town that I was referring to. If you don't know where I was referring to that is your issue - but do not make incorrect assumptions.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 17:17:31
Back many years ago, the Town of Chatham voted to not allow apartments or such buildings, I guess for fear of whatever.
Two of my male class mates (John Pratt, Verne Hunt) who took apprentice type jobs with local builders attained carpentry skills, which they could trade with young electricians and plumbers to help build their modest homes. I don't see that option available for any young man or woman graduating from high school these days.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 17:13:23
This certainly is not a new problem to Chatham. Housing in Chatham is available to high income and low or no income thru various channels. The butcher, the baker and the candle stick maker can't find any thing under $500,000. A $300,000 home at 3.9% 30 mortgage is $1415.000 a month. Making $800.00 a week will not make it. We need a real think tank, like I think 365 is, to take out of the box thinking to keep the full time workers here in Chatham. It's not easy.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 16:59:40
Only one person insinuated that attainable housing is correlated to drug use and would somehow lead us to become "the next Hyannis". Our town could stand to learn a lot from "those Hyannis people" in terms of empathy and compassion. The folks who live in the Elkannah neighborhood are hardworking, honest people. They work as teachers, as Instacart employees and Uber drivers, for local companies, at restaurants, in healthcare, etc. The implication that more attainable housing would make our community undesirable is unfounded and disappointing. If that creates "banter", so be it. I will never agree with someone who speaks so negatively about folks who are working as hard as they can to be able to stay in a town that they love so dearly. Chatham should not only be accessible for the wealthy and fortunate.
Lisa
USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 16:35:48
Please stop this banter! Everyone is entitled to be passionate about their point of view, but it should not include personal criticism. I am a super senior, three generations of living and voting in Chatham, a town that I dearly love. I have the list of what Town employees earn which astounds me, I watch most Select Board meetings, I read the Chronicle and I have opinions about what monies are spent on various projects. The COA at 1610 is a very bad idea for safety and practical reasons and should be designed to co-habit with the elementary school.....and if we don't get going fast building affordable housing on Middle Rd, there won't be any children attending 10 yrs, from now. It is our tax dollars and we should all voice our opinions at Town Meetings and start using common sense. More civility would be a pleasure between the haves and the have nots and the old timers and new folks.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 16:19:12
Some people whine it's not fair about property prices. Check out Geat Neck NY. Three one acre lots package deal $11 million..Or 4.5 each.. Thats11 plus six zeros for three lots..!!
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 15:21:01
Judy, I used to have a magnet on my fridge that talking to you reminds me of. I will now remove myself from this conversation as apparently I haven't lived in Chatham long enough to participate in it.

I am sorry to the rest of you for inserting myself in a conversation that Judy had not declared me qualified to participate in. I won't do so again in the future.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 13:39:35
Justin - how terribly presumptuous of you. It's a good thing you're a math teacher and know so much more than the rest of us. Maybe if you had a history here like so many of us you wouldn't be so quick to criticize. Many of us who comment here along with our families have lived here for generations and have sadly watched our town fall to outsiders that think they know what is best and believe that everyone can pay for their bad choices. Bill's point, as well as Andrew's was spot on and I thank them for contributing.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 12:51:07
Judy,

Bills math was terribly wrong and that was not Andrew's point. At least not as I see it. So by no means should you be yelling "BINGO" at either of those points. Thankfully we get to vote on these items and see what the majority of town wants. Of course I'm sure if this vote doesn't go your way it will be because of massive voter fraud at town meeting as well.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 11:03:20
Bill/Andrew - BINGO!!! How easy it is for others here to say we can "have it all". That is the difference between people that are conservative and plan for the future and those that just want to spend everyone's money and be damned with the consequences.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 09:49:45
All this talk about town employee income rates and affordable or attainable housing.......has anyone tried to find out how many town employees live in town vs don't live in town? Then, ask those who don't live in town WHY they don't live in town. Or maybe that would prove the point too easily.
Andrew R <Drew_Redding@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 23:41:32
No. If you watch tonight's BOS meeting, it was noted that someone with a 500k home would pay about $3.75 per month and a 900k homeowner would pay closer to $6 per month. I'd imagine those who own million dollar homes would pay even more than that. If anyone owning a 4 million dollar home is honestly complaining about an extra $20/month for seniors in town, I'd implore them to seriously reflect upon and reevaluate their morals and priorities.

Also.. I don't recall anyone saying it needed to be a new COA *or* attainable housing. We have the financial resources in this town to support BOTH.

Lisa D.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 21:35:18
Lisa, is that new math? That $3.75 would have to be paid 3 million times. Are their that many houses in Chatham?
Bill P
USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 20:57:44
10 million for the COA.

Do you realize on town owned land we could build 50 affordable houses. 200k per house for material and labor.

Now if each buyer paid 100k for those houses you could build another 25 houses. If those 25 buyers paid another 100k you could build 12.5 more houses.

So do you want the COA or over 90 affordable houses?

Bill P
USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 20:41:27
I also heard him say the median property value in Chatham is $900K. Yet somehow people still claim we don't have a problem with housing that is affordable.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 19:46:52
Also, did I just hear Selectmen Cocolis say that the COA will cost a taxpayer with a 500k home just $3.75/month? Is that really what some of you are complaining about? Send me your Venmo or your PO Box and I'll genuinely pay your $3.75/month.
Lisa D.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 19:34:45
Not sure why a small number of folks are trying to make housing a COA in our elementary school happen--- It's not going to happen.

I was originally very opposed to the 1610 site for a new COA, but after reading some really insensitive comments here and elsewhere online, I'd gladly cast a vote at town meeting in support of the project.

Just because you don't personally need attainable housing, doesn't mean others wouldn't benefit from it. Just because you don't personally have school-age kids, doesn't mean young kids in town wouldn't benefit from Chatham retaining its own elementary school. Just because you won't personally use a new COA site, doesn't mean others wouldn't benefit from it. It's about time we start acting on what's best for all groups in town, not just those who already have adequate financial and logistical resources.

I don't have a school-aged child, a need for attainable housing, or a use for a COA.. but I fully support all 3 groups getting what they need. It's not just about me.

Lisa D.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 19:26:56
Every figure I cited is publicly available in the Annual Town Report. You can't just make up your own facts because you think they are true. I didn't say they were forced to work over time. But to make the amount of money necessary to afford a house in Chatham today they would have to.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 18:19:00
Richard - you are correct. There are a LOT of part timers that unfortunately are let go when it's time for their benefits to kick in. There are different employees every time I visit the dump. Take a look online at the salaries. Many town employees make more than folks in the corporate sector. Even though the police dept has the highest payroll - they are not forced to work overtime.
Judy P <judylpat@rcn.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 17:39:57
I find it hard to believe that the Median Salary for the DPW in Chatham, or any other Cape Cod town, is less than 40K. There must be a lot of part timers or seasonal workers included in arriving at that figure.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 17:30:52
Justin - in my opinion you are the one missing the point. There are few sustainable full time jobs in this town. Why live here if it's not affordable?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 11:33:32
Sorry for double postings. . . Anyway tonight our BOS is devoting their entire meeting to try to convince everyone to spend 8-10 million on a new COA. It's my understanding that everyone will be allowed to speak. Interesting in a time of COVID and uncertainty they are desperate to push this when other options much less costly are available. Who will end up paying for this in the long run? They are trying to convince everyone that West Chatham is a village center. If they put the COA programs in the elementary school, the folks would have access to the downtown area instead of crossing thru a rotary and trying to navigate to Shop Ahoy Plaza for their "activities". Downtown would have the theater, shops, and many other amenities rather than West Chatham. Admin offices could be at 127 Old Harbor Road. Consider tuning in and listening to what this is about. It's time to realize we don't need another empty building - especially one with two stories. Seniors are not going to be as willing to congregate after what everyone has been thru in the past year. This is nothing but a bunch of folks trying to tell us what they are entitled to rather than use common sense and make use of what we have at our disposal. Use the elementary school for the COA and solve two problems at once and save the taxpayers money.
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Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 08:25:57
Your attitude implying if young people can't afford to live here they should just live somewhere else is going to cause this town to have no one in it in 20-30 years. That's what so many people are trying to avoid. No one is specifically "asking" for help. People see the prices of houses in Chatham and see the price of a similar house in Harwich and they make that choice. The people for attainable housing are trying to make it so the option at least exists to buy that house in Chatham.

As I said in multiple posts that you have chosen to ignore, more full time jobs would be great. But you don't HAVE to work in Chatham to live in Chatham. What we need first and foremost are residents of this town. People who send their kids to Chatham Elementary so that the enrollment gap between Harwich and Chatham isn't so severe. It would be great if they worked in town as well but if they happen to work in Harwich or Brewster or Orleans, so be it.

But full time jobs are a priority to you so they must be a town priority. So I will ask you, what's your plan? What are these jobs? Where are they coming from?

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 08:16:28
Justin - in my opinion you are the one missing the point. There are few sustainable full time jobs in this town. Why live here if it's not affordable?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 06:08:12
Justin - totally agree with you - but without full time good paying jobs, one is beating a dead horse. Chatham is a resort/retirement community and it isn't going to change. You and your wife are very fortunate to have well paying careers. There's way too many young folks that don't make anywhere near what you make. Chatham is not a conducive location for young families unless they get help. How is that fair to older folks living on a fixed income? At least younger folks have the choice to go somewhere else to start their lives and careers - older folks - not so much. It's a serious situation no matter how one chooses to view it. With minimal full time jobs this is going to continue to be a serious problem. Not sure those requesting help should set their sights on settling down in Chatham when other towns aren't as costly to live in.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 06:04:05
So what you're telling me is that you are missing the point?
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 21:15:41
Justin - totally agree with you - but without full time good paying jobs, one is beating a dead horse. Chatham is a resort/retirement community and it isn't going to change. You and your wife are very fortunate to have well paying careers. There's way too many young folks that don't make anywhere near what you make. Chatham is not a conducive location for young families unless they get help. How is that fair to older folks living on a fixed income? At least younger folks have the choice to go somewhere else to start their lives and careers - older folks - not so much. It's a serious situation no matter how one chooses to view it. With minimal full time jobs this is going to continue to be a serious problem. Not sure those requesting help should set their sights on settling down in Chatham when other towns aren't as costly to live in.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 21:14:20
Judy,

A) My wife and I each earn over $75K per year and without some money we inherited from family, we would not have been able to afford a down payment on a house in Chatham.

B) More full time jobs in Chatham would be great, but if we don't get housing under control, then people will work here and live in the surrounding towns because it's cheaper.

C) The median salary in 2019 in the Community Development Department is $68K. DPW is $36K. The Median salary of the PD and FD are between $60K and $70K. Yes, they can make more with overtime, but if we're talking about attracting young families, people shouldn't HAVE to work massive amounts of overtime away from their families to afford to live here. More overtime translates to more money spent on childcare.

Perhaps listening to people who have bought or tried to buy a home in town in the last 5 years would be helpful.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 20:58:04
I'm pretty sure about 50% of the CPD earn over $100K per year. The other areas Richard mentioned also make good money. I sure hope folks have an understanding of affordable/ attainable housing. Once again - the issue is full time employment and there's not a lot here in this town. The above mentioned jobs most likely don't qualify.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 19:38:44
I'm pretty sure about 50% of the CPD earn over $100K per year. The other areas Richard mentioned also make good money. I sure hope folks have an understanding of affordable/ attainable housing. Once again - the issue is full time employment and there's not a lot here in this town. The above mentioned jobs most likely don't qualify.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 19:31:57
Without a job like Judy mentioned, with the FD, PD, the school system or DPW, there aren't many jobs for families in Chatham, or Eastham, that will bring the income necessary to be residents in either towns.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 19:10:29
Justin - have you taken a look lately at the salaries of Policemen and some of the other town employees that work in Chatham? Just curious. I don't think with those salaries that attainable housing was meant for those specific groups. I would hope it's for families that make a lot less.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 17:48:15
Dan,

More full time job are always welcome. However, I believe the focus is on attainable housing for two main reasons. One is that many of the people who already work full time in Chatham, including those who serve this town as Firemen, Police Officers, DPW workers, etc can't afford to live here. The second is that you don't have to work in Chatham. My wife and I both work in other towns but are proud to call Chatham our home and raise our son here. We were very fortunate to be able to do so and would not have been able to do so under normal circumstances.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 17:24:42
As I like to hear from as many people as possible, I would like to hear from any member of the Chatham 365 group and their perspective and solutions.
dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 07:31:40
Dann -apparently the town has enough of our money to develop Middle Road for attainable housing and spend 10 million on a COA and still want to spend at least another million for more privately owned properties. There is no common sense employed at all by town officials when it comes to this type of spending. I hope at least the COA will be voted down at town meeting.The elementary school should stay and be shared by the children and the other part for COA programs. The admin staff for the COA should utilize 127 Old Harbor road. To use that particular piece of property for attainable housing defies common sense and as Selectman Nicastro said "not a smart return" on our money. But - as you say - none of this solves the problem of full time jobs. Until that issue is resolved it's ridiculous to keep throwing tax payer monies around. Chatham has always been a resort community and will continue to be. For anyone to think otherwise is sadly mistaken. The jobs aren't here. Young people can't just move here and expect to make a decent living that includes a house. Most of us had to leave because of this. If we don't start to reign this ridiculous spending we'll be another Hyannis. The drug problem in this town has grown exponentially in the past few years. Just look at the housing units already in this town. How many times a week are the police there. Is this what our selectmen truly want - with no full time jobs in site? Until the issue of full time employment in this town is addressed this won't change. I sadly believe the younger folks are in for a rude awakening when they come to this realization that it is not going to change and the town will always remain a resort retiree community filled with wealthy people that just want their second homes here.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/13/2021 - 10:03:26
We have been talking about retaining/attracting young working families to Chatham. The discussion has been centered around housing and the elementary school.

Help me understanding why the discussion does not include year round jobs.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/13/2021 - 08:23:52
Jared- I think the store renamed open for a bit after Dennis died. It's gone thru several transitions since it was the gift and fudge shop. I think it's a clothing store now.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 03/12/2021 - 18:33:30
When I had a chance to visit Chatham while in the Navy on leave, I had no interest in buying fudge. My time was better spent going fishing with Dave Ryder. Never went in that business although i do remember it.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/12/2021 - 17:41:00
I remember the Coach and Four, though I dont think I ever went in. It couldn't have closed that long ago.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 03/12/2021 - 14:59:48
Coach and Four, Fudge and Gift Shop.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/11/2021 - 17:34:29
Rich, Eldredge with an E for Gene. Daughter Cora was in my class at school.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/11/2021 - 09:18:38
Bill - That was the name. It was a beautiful gift shop that also sold fudge. Dennis Pendolari owned it. Sad to see it close - can't remember how long ago it was - maybe in the 70's/80's it closed? Jennie Roderick worked there.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/11/2021 - 07:52:49
Just past the rotary after the bank on the right. Connected to Ron's and Walkers barber shop. Apartments above it. I think it was called Coach and Four, maybe not. It was a store that sold household goods, lamps etc.
Bill P
USA - Wed 03/10/2021 - 15:18:13
Bill P: Where was the old Coach & Four?
Bruce
USA - Wed 03/10/2021 - 09:14:17
Squire must have lost a lot of money this year. I doubt they could fit to many units on that property. Plus who wants to live downtown with no Squire.

I used to live downtown many years ago above Coach& Four. It was fun in my 20's but today I would never live downtown.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/08/2021 - 12:23:01
KEM the Squire sold almost two years ago. They passed papers on 6/25/19.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/08/2021 - 08:57:06
I had also heard that rumor as well. The building would have to go on the demolition delay for up to 18 months of this is the case.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Mon 03/08/2021 - 06:14:16
Wayne The Squire sold last year.
KEM
USA - Sun 03/07/2021 - 16:27:36
If the Squire has been sold the Town of Chatham does not know about it. They are told of property transfers right after the fact.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/07/2021 - 16:13:21
Anyone hear that the owner of the Squire is looking at building condos on that site?
KEM
USA - Sun 03/07/2021 - 13:58:58
Rich, Eldredge with an E for Gene. Daughter Cora was in my class at school.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/03/2021 - 18:24:44
Now local sea conditions have gone to Foxtrot Alpha Charlie in Navy or Coast Guard parlance, or in the words of former Chatham Wharfinger at the Fish Pier, Gene Eldridge, "Flat A-- Calm" but his inflection on Calm is hard to replicate . More like Caam. Been there.
Or maybe his name has three letter "e"s.
Anyone have any Eugene Eldridge stories to share? I know he used to keep the woodstove in the "middle stall" going by adding broken up pieces of wooden fish boxes to the fire.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/03/2021 - 17:34:52
Sleep well when the wind blows, it is something you can count on.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/01/2021 - 19:03:31
When they went before the the Historical Business District Commission in January with non specific plans they were given until the next meeting to come back with more definitive plans. I believe by doing that they were able to bypass the two year waiting period. They went back with updated plans and it was approved.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 02/28/2021 - 20:58:59
Plan Board OK's Monomoy Theatre Subdivision Plan.

I thought there was a 2 year wait before they could return to the board because of the direction they went and lost.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/28/2021 - 18:56:38
I just went with my dad to Gillette for the vaccine. The whole operation there was incredibly efficient. If you are able to make the drive and having trouble finding an appointment locally, it is well worth it.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/28/2021 - 07:06:06
Richard Here's what I know or experienced I observed several ditchings - not all turn out like Sully Sullenberger. The unsuccessful ones were always due to landing against or across the prevailing swells - in high seas, it's pretty dicey. I remember one when the aircraft was on fire and had to ditch - pilot amazingly landed between swells and all got out only to have one crewman fall out of the rescue basket on his way up to the helo - to this day we all wonder why his crewmate in the net with him didnt hold on to him. Stress and shock I guess.
Ben H
USA - Sat 02/27/2021 - 20:48:58
Bill P. - It was like the chat room ate radishes and kept repeating. I refreshed and signed out 3 times and then it finally showed 4. I have set other records, which shall remain secret. :)
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/26/2021 - 08:21:26
Ben H:
Being a former Navy pilot, can you imagine landing a small twin engined plane alongside the Pollock Rip Lghtship? A vessel you knew of or heard as a kid? Landing on a carrier is one thing, landing at sea and coming back home is another.
Did you ever serve with any pilots that had amphibious plane experiences?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/25/2021 - 17:54:45
Cynthia, could you repeat that for me. Thanks

Just kidding! I think 4 is a record.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/25/2021 - 16:42:25
Thanks. I forgot that I had shared that info with Don Wilding several years ago. The photo I had was not very good so I was looking for a better one. There were 18 named CG aircraft ("seaplanes") during the period from 1933 to 1936, all named for stars. The ADHARA, which had landed earlier in Pleasant Bay while the crew visited Old Harbor Station, actually was an RD2; the MIZAR an RD-4. All fairly small twin engined craft, flown by gutsy men..
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 19:11:02
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:21:33
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here. hope this is not a duplicate-

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:20:47
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:19:44
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:18:47
I have recently come across newspaper articles about a Coast Guard RD-4 (the MIZAR) Amphibious plane crashing and sinking near the Pollock Rip Lightship in what I think was September 1934. The air crew was attempting to remove an ill person from the Lightship. The plane was from the CG Air Station in Salem. The wrecked plane was retrieved by the Lighthouse Tender Anemone. Would the Chatham Historical Society have any photos of this event?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/22/2021 - 16:27:56
Richard. Two years ago I had an IRS problem that I couldn't solve with letters. I went to the IRS on Perseverance Way in Hyannis with all my papers and an agent straightened it out for me.
Re vaccines: if you're a veteran, call the VA. Fast and efficient.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 20:01:19
Bruce and others:
I am a patient at Outer Cape Health in Wellfleet, which is an affiliate of Beth Israel Lahey, etc. They apparently went through their patient listing by age and offered me an appointment back on Feb 2nd. I took one then for this Tuesday, thinking that if I found an opening closer I could cancel the Plymouth one. Didn't happen..

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 15:14:44
Richard would you be willing to share how you got a vaccination appt in Plymouth? I noticed on mass.gov site there was availability at Marshfield Fairgrounds, but only serving residents of Plymouth County. Thank you.
Bruce
Harwich, USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 12:09:06
Does anyone out there have a remedy for the IRS problems? We haven't received our refund from last year yet. It was filed on April 3rd. No one knows where the return is. Too late to eFile for last year, but "don't send in another return". Because there is no record of us filing ( we have the USPS proof of delivery) we didn't get the latest stimulus check.
Vaccine for me will be in Plymouth on Tuesday - no luck getting one closer. Some friends have gone to Foxboro or Fenway for theirs.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 10:22:51
Richard, I beg to differ. The evidence grows stronger. Look to statements from your Senator Markey about where the vaccine should be prioritized.
The Cape has an elderly, mostly-white, mostly-affluent population. Were I up there lacking a vaccine, I'd start making some phone calls. I'm getting a lot of reports from all over the State. It's not an "availability" issue, it is a distribution problem.
Just trying to keep you safe Richard. We'd be lost without your wit and wisdom here.

JimP
USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 07:54:22
There were hardly any locations set up on the Cape. In addition to that you have a website that continues to crash. I'd say it was extremely poor management from lack of competence in web design to lack of management in the locations held in Barnstable/Hyannis. Folks were waiting 3-4 hours past their scheduled appointment times due to the fact with the amount of doses available it boiled down to one shot per minute by nurse. Extremely poor rollout.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 02/20/2021 - 18:05:26
Jim, and others:
The problem is there are not enough shots sent to MA to take care of all who are over 75, first of all. Many of us over 80 are quite competent on how to navigate the internet. But when there are many thousands of folks trying to gain access to what are only hundreds of available appointments, it is a recipe for serious frustration for all hands.
I don't think politics at this stage has anything to do with the problem. There is hope.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/20/2021 - 17:37:37
Not trying to turn this political, but I've seen a bunch of anecdotal reports reflecting a push towards "distribution equity" of the vaccine up there. Is that true?

Might explain why the Cape is so low a priority.

JimP
USA - Sat 02/20/2021 - 08:44:25
Tried to sign up for the Covid 19 shot, the site had already crashed. Will try next week. It will take time.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/18/2021 - 08:14:21
My wife and I got our shots at Hyannis Stop and Shot Pharmacy ... Peace of cake on Saturday and Sunday...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Tue 02/16/2021 - 18:18:07
Thanks John. Good to know. Do you have any interest in a big bunch of 33 RPM records from the 60's? For your radio show.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/15/2021 - 19:03:54
I had my first shot at Dartmouth High School on the 6th. My wife had hers the previous Wednesday at the Barnstable County Fairgrounds. Getting an appointment was hit or miss, but the actual vaccination process at both sites were well organized and easy. I was back on my way home within 30 minutes of reaching the high school. It is getting better and the new Johnson and Johnson vaccine that will come about March 1st will make it much easier for all.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/15/2021 - 18:04:29
@Kathy Jones - That's a great story. Coincidentally, I developed and printed those Old Harbor Station photos as I worked for Dick at the time.

The station was lifted off North Beach in the fall of 1977. Had it not been moved then, it almost certainly would have been destroyed a few months later when the Blizzard of '78 washed over the beach.

The station weathered the blizzard on a barge in Provincetown harbor. A few months later, it was floated over to Race Point where it was lifted off the barge and reassembled on the site where it is today. I have one cool aerial photo from Dick from that day where it was so foggy on the beach that you can only see the cranes sticking up above the fog.

https://serenity.jjd.com/Images/1977-11-old-harbor-lifesaving-station-move.jpg

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 02/15/2021 - 07:43:11
Richard- that's too bad. When I played with the site yesterday it appeared to have openings. I heard Orleans had openings today.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 18:10:37
Nancy Viall Shoemaker whose father was Jack Viall, Printer of West Harwich, has a large collection of slides taken by Dick Kelsey. Dick and Jack were friends. Nancy owns West Barnstable Press and does the Cape Cod Five Calendar among other things.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 11:48:49
Kathy Jones, welcome to the Chat M Room. That's a very cool story you shared. Mr. Kelsey was a very talented man. Do you still visit Chatham?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 11:08:59
My husband and I got the vaccine yesterday at urgent care Dennis.
Kathleen
USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 10:41:17
There is a vaccination clinic at the DPW in Orleans coming up this week. Slots are most likely filled by now.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 07:19:25
Distressing to "hear" things that turn out to be not factual. There are many openings in Amherst, MA coming up and other places inn MA but not on Cape Cod, at least for the next few days.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/13/2021 - 19:21:31
Richard- that's too bad. When I played with the site yesterday it appeared to have openings. I heard Orleans had openings today.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 02/13/2021 - 14:28:20
Thanks Judy for the link. Nothing available on Cape Cod.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/13/2021 - 13:33:42
I stumbled upon this forum and have enjoyed reading the posts. One was about moving the Old Harbor Coast Guard station back in 1977. It was cut in half and moved to Provincetown by barge. Dick Kelsey was a family (Dan and Jay McElwain) friend and invited me to fly along as he photographically documented the move. I hated to see it leave Chatham but at least it was preserved and is enjoyed by visitors to race point.
Kathy Jones <waincroft@comcast.net>
Cape Coral, FL USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 23:50:40
This is Massachusetts. You can't have high expectations when State government is involved with anything.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 20:23:10
Richard - try this site - vaxfinder.mass.gov
It went live today. Put in your zip code and you'll find locations.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 19:25:12
Extremely frustrating not to be able to sign up for a Covid 19 Vaccine, when there have been two offered locally. Eastham today and Orleans for the 17th. If any of you have been able to get an appointment, I am impressed.
Did Sign on for both and 15 minutes later, "no appointments available." " You are now on the waiting list". Hold on, I was on a waiting list last week after the Eastham fiasco.
The application form is cumbersome and redundant, and takes some time even with an up to date computer. I had to enter my complete name 4 times!
We should be able to do a better job, as some recent Letters to The Editor have suggested.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 17:05:39
John;

Easier yet, look out your window that faces that cut. Seems okay at low tide, not so much at high.

BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/11/2021 - 17:48:53
John, Story in today's Chronicle.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/11/2021 - 14:13:48
Does anyone have news on the new break in North Beach Island?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/10/2021 - 18:47:15
All: Answers below. There are lot's of smart folks here in the Chat-M-Room. No common Washashore is going to pull the wool over your eyes. ;) Richard wins the Squire lunch. Richard, hope it's OK if Julie and I join you in June. We can talk history over a lobster roll.

1. Answer: False. It was February 16-17 1958. The blizzard of 1978 further exacerbated the issue apparently.
2. Answer: False. Yet, Tom Brady would be a great addition to our town.
3. Answer: False. Apparently, Morris Island was named after a hermit who lived there for many years named "Morris."
4. Answer: False and true. The Horst's sold 72 acres to the CCF because they were great environmental people. However, legend has it that there is indeed an "evil spirit" on the island and there are several first hand accounts of folks encountering it over the years. It's mentioned in the most recent book about the island.
5. Answer: False. Great story though. As we all know, there were certainly German U-Boats in Chatham waters throughout WWII. Who knows....maybe Richard can further educate us as a distinguished USCG Veteran. He'd likely know.

Ned Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring , TX USA - Wed 02/10/2021 - 10:10:45
Monomoy split from the mainland in 1958.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/09/2021 - 19:22:26
I, having never have heard these stories before, thought it a good bet that they were all made up. I had no money in the contest.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/09/2021 - 19:03:19
Thank you Richard for your input. I am curious about why you insist these stories are incorrect.,please do enlighten us.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 02/09/2021 - 16:17:27
Well done Richard. Number 4 is half true, however. I'll reach out to you in the Spring to work the logistics for lunch.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 23:57:40
Well done Richard. Number 5 is half true, however. I'll reach out to you in the Spring to work the logistics for lunch.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 23:56:50
Thank you Richard for your input. I am curious about why you insist these stories are incorrect.,please do enlighten us.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 20:48:02
All are patently false.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 17:18:00
All: Great game last night. Good to see ole Tom Brady pull off another Super Bowl win. In honor of Carl "The Chowder Man" here are a couple of Chatham True or False trivia questions. Winner gets a $50 lunch at The Squire in June.
1. Monomoy split off from the mainland during the great blizzard of 1952.
2. Tom Brady and his family spent 2 weeks at CBI in July 2017.
3. Morris Island is named after a Revolutionary War hero who distinguished himself at the battle of Saratoga by creating a first aid protocol for musket flash burns.
4. Strong Island has a Native American ghost there and it occupies an area just east of the Cashman homestead. Legend has it that's why Victor and Betsy Horst sold to the Chatham Conservation Foundation.
5. A WWII German UBoat seaman jumped ship and came ashore in Stage Harbor in October of 1943. Legend has it that he made his way to New Ulm, Minnesota and eventually became the City's Mayor In 1952.

Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 11:44:48
Wayne my man you got my attention with the California remark .. I love Chatham and only stopped participating in here after Jane and then Carl left us - I had no real connection although I respect Richard I don't know him that well and every post seemed to be about him, his great Chatham family, or the Coast Guard. All very interesting but then here come 6 or 7 nice people with their views about politics. All well intended but frankly boring. I miss the good old days when Barry and Sylvia would set off the cannon on fourth of July and Carl would launch a quiz. Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Sun 02/07/2021 - 22:24:43
Oh Wayne, you know me....you know:my long family and Mayflower history in Chatham and you know I am NOT from California! I vote every year and attend all Town Meetings. I have no idea why I sometimes double post! You know I really love and care about everything there so please either help me or just ignore this old lady .......see you in May! At least it is better than a certain other contributor who seems a bit too often with his posts.......hint, hint!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 21:24:41
I keep wondering people from California keep double posting on here. Also why are they always so critical about our town. Why aren't they more concerned about their town in California.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 20:41:52
Has anyone else noticed the shabby Christmas decorations still up on the Squire front? One of their video cameras isn't working also. The Town finally removed the decorations in Kate Gould Park but February? Come...on! The Cape Cod Covid vaccine distribution is a horror story. At the very least the Town should offer free bus rides to Plymouth, if that is where our seniors need to go. Shame on the BOS and the COA.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 19:24:38
Here you go, copy and paste. Video of the new break from channel 5.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/chatham-massachusetts-cape-cod-sand-dune-breach-following-noreaster/35435107

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 16:17:26
Bill P, thanks for the update. I have copies of charts of the area going back well over 150 years. Changes have been occurring forever. Some have been dramatic and few beneficial to anyone except those who install permitted rock revetments.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 15:56:59
Richard, there is a new break in North beach. It's about 1000 yards south from the break near Turn island. We now have a break on each side of the fish pier.
Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 08:57:48
Emily, COA IS working with county and seniors --Cape Cod RTA (transportation) is offering free rides for vaccination s for seniors and older adults, working with local COAs --see this week's Town release for info.
Again, the COA works with seniors and older adults (a term I think means " not willing to admit to being a senior"!) But the COA ,while having a good list of seniors in Town does need for seniors not already associated with them to reach out-- COA number 508-945-5190. Excellent website chathamcoa.com.
For the the record, I have admitted to being a senior since I was in my fifties, once I realized that there were discounts to be had!!

Susie
USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 08:51:57
I perceive that there are only so many immunizations delivered to MA. Not sure why or how they get distributed nationwide. For fairness sake, the number of folks over 75 should have been a key determinant of where the vaccines are shipped to. Give our Health Care folks a chance and they will figure out how to get it done.
Have not heard about how the US Navy is taking care of their men and women at sea, in confined spaces. The Medical Departments of these ships certainly know how to administer any inoculations required, if provided.
Been there, done that.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/05/2021 - 18:59:13
Has anyone else noticed the shabby Christmas decorations still up on the Squire front? One of their video cameras isn't working also. The Town finally removed the decorations in Kate Gould Park but February? Come...on! The Cape Cod Covid vaccine distribution is a horror story. At the very least the Town should offer free bus rides to Plymouth, if that is where our seniors need to go. Shame on the BOS and the COA.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 02/05/2021 - 11:28:13
As a patient of Outer Cape Health Services in Wellfleet, and being over 75, I was offered by email an appointment for an immunization at the closest point I could choose, and that is in Plymouth two weeks away. I took it.
Good news is we can stop at Market Basket over the bridge on the way home.

I wonder if I will have to go back to the same site for the booster vaccine. Can do.

Seems there should be an immunization site closer to us here on the Outer Cape.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/04/2021 - 19:11:52
So, did the waves punch through what used to be called the North Beach in front of CBI, and is there a water flow at all tides?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/03/2021 - 17:49:50
Richard - not really sure what your issue is with the State Rep other than the fact he's not a democrat; however - the info I posted yesterday pertains to a call happening tomorrow . Maybe listen in on the call and learn something? You sound rather paranoid even though there's thousands here on the Cape that are in the same boat as you are. .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 17:52:33
Judy P: Your hotshot new Rep was a day behind in sending out the info. I already had received it, with no thanks to Facebook. Try as I might, I see there were 4 appointments available for the Cape Cod Melody Tent coming up, but no way to click and take one of them.
It must be a conspiracy to exclude 02642 seniors, right?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 17:28:52
Judy: Bingo, Annie found it and took a photograph from the street. It still looks cool from a distance. That fellow (former Chatham Guidance Counselor) must have been a pretty neat guy. I've always wanted a decent telescope. Got one as a gift, after 15 years with the company, and immediately brought it to Chatham to star gaze with Julie and the kids. Unfortunately, it wasn't particularly good. Maybe when I retire, I'll buy myself a decent one. I imagine Chatham is a pretty solid place to see the galaxies and stars from on a cold winter night.
Ned Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring , TX USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 16:51:54
Has anyone used Uber or Lyft with success. Not sure if they service this area.
Winnie
MA USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 14:53:27
What I just posted was from State Rep Steven Xiarhos and he listed it on Facebook. Hopefully bot will help some folks
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 20:56:39
The Cape Cod COVID-19 Response Task Force will hold a phone briefing for residents of Cape Cod over the age of 65 to discuss COVID-19 vaccine information and access in the area.

The phone briefing will be held through a phone conferencing service that will proactively call the home phone numbers for approximately 50,000 Cape Codders over 65 to join the call just before it begins on Wednesday at 5:30pm. Those who wish to join will be automatically connected. There will also be a robocall placed on Tuesday evening (24 hours in advance) to the list of 50,000 phone numbers to provide notification of the phone briefing the next day. The call will have capacity for well over 50,000 attendees. All attendees will be muted, in listen-only mode.

Those who would like to call in on their own are welcome to do so by calling 833-491-0326 at or just before 5:30 pm this Wednesday, February 3. Those who call that number will automatically be connected to the phone briefing. Those under 65 years old, especially those assisting a friend or family member over 65 with scheduling a vaccine appointment, are welcome to call in. Members
of the media are welcome to call in as well. All by calling 833-491-0326.

JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 20:53:31
Ned - it's built on a private residence. Very overgrown these days but if your sister lives on Bayview she can walk past it. The individual that owned it was a guidance teacher for years in the Chatham School System. His son lives in the house now and the observatory is out in back .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 20:35:32
Ned,just East or to the right as you are facing it of 11 Waveland Av. It is in the woods now but when I was young it was much more open.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 19:34:22
What are the chances that the beach just South of Hartwell's Camp and the pine trees will be breached during this No'theaster? Back in 1898, when Old Harbor Station was built, the beach did not extend even that far South. Stand by for changes.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 18:56:56
Off Waveland Ave
Tony
W Chatham , MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 18:52:47
All: A remaining question from last month if that's OK. Specifically, where is the Waveland Observatory? My sister Annie lives on Bayview and I told her about it. She's looked unsuccessfully and thinks I'm making it up. Any guidance appreciated.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.Law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 16:47:58
That's great information - hopefully others will be able to utilize them.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 11:51:53
That last post was mine-- should have read Susie F.
Susie
USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 11:03:02
Actually COA has been very supportive and helpful throughout 'all this'-- frequent phone calls with vital information for all 'seniors' who are on their call list and info in the Flash , newsletter that they print each month. Also has help for those seniors who are technologically challenged. Most recently received message about how to get answers on where, etc.for Covid vaccine.
Many 'seniors' quietly using their services. So far I personally have learned more about using my Iphone, Zumba-ed when the gym was closed, used their equipment after hip and heart surgeries, taken part in the Senior tax program, and pre-planned my funeral.So for me, they definitively provide services.

F
USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 10:58:45
I am surprised the COA hasn't been more vocal about helping seniors navigate this mess. Time for them to step up and help these people get on a list or whatever .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/31/2021 - 19:11:07
Please, an update of information on getting Covid 19 Vaccine. How is the process going? What is
Best way to get on the list? Any and all information welcome. Thank you.

Marie <Mdburns14@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/31/2021 - 18:26:29
Is there no one in the Town of Chatham that can keep us updated on this site about the wandering Boathouse, and what the recent SelectBoard decisions are regarding this building?
I deign to use Facebook, Twitter, etc .
Been burned by a Chatham Facebook person.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/31/2021 - 17:46:24
Don gets his second shot at the VA Friday. Super efficient operation. After a rocky start (too many appointments, not enough vaccine), NJ is improving - got my first shot yesterday. Neighbors go Tuesday. Frustrated by sites that only use the internet, we chose one that only uses the phone for registration and appointments.
Bills, Christmas cards postmarked early December keep trickling in among recently postmarked items.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 01/30/2021 - 03:28:30
Emily Cunningham
Sounds like California is much more prepared than we are here.
The Cape is a bit of a mess right now with lots of confusion about
getting the vaccine! Glad to hear you will be taken care of soon!

Jennifer
USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 19:35:48
Great letter to editor in today's Cape Cod Times from a Chatham resident talking about how developers are ruining our town. I'm not able to find the link; however if anyone wants to read the letter shoot me an email - and I'll send it to you.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 17:52:16
I do believe that Goodspeed's Gulf took over from Joe Avellar, who ran the station back in the late 50's. I pumped gas for him back then to customers who might have paid 25 or 30 cents a gallon. I really wanted a Gulf Gas card, but unless you were wealthy, such a card was out of reach for some of us. Later, traveling from New England to where my ship was in Norfolk, VA, it was either carry some cash or have a singular gas credit card where you could put your purchase on only THEIR card.
Perhaps we have progressed somewhat.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 17:43:44
I am proud to say that the tape of the complete Chatham Band Concert was a video I took many years ago. Donna Lumpkin helped me give it to Liberty Commons. Yes, I am scheduled to receive my first vaccination next Monday! One of my doctors texted me! The hospital acquired a bad name for vaccinating the BIG DONORS first! (I was not one of them).
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 09:35:02
Sister Nancy has received her second shot , Brother John and his wife in Maine are due to receive their first shots this Friday in Maine.
As for me and my wife in Eastham, my Dr. last week said he couldn't predict when we would get the first immunization. Maybe mid February. I guess I am not perceived as not sick enough to be bumped up in the line.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/27/2021 - 19:05:06
Has anyone been able to get an appointment for a COVID-19 vaccination?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/27/2021 - 10:27:49
Donna, so sorry! He was a good man and a dear friend for many years.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 21:08:40
I am sorry to report that Benjamin K Goodspeed passed away this afternoon at Liberty Commons. He was 96 years old and did not have the Covid virus. He was listening to a Chatham Band Concert and went peacefully. The staff and Hospice people were very good to him.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 19:36:22
Sorry you find his death unworthy Richard. Maybe take it up with the people you vote into office.
JimP
USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 18:47:07
It hurts to read of a military man losing his life. My shipmate and friend Richard Gauthier, HM3/USN gave his life aboard the USS Intrepid in an effort to save the lives of shipmates. He was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal, posthumously, the highest honor he could have been given. He is buried in MA.
Can't we get some honor for him, like a Half Staff Day? He has no living relatives.
His vehicle didn't roll over.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 17:55:21
Jim P
please send me your email address.

Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 11:34:42
Richard, I have a copy of "Mon Reve" if you want to borrow it.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 23:12:36
Richard, he was a 34 year old Soldier serving his second tour in Korea. We still have over 40,000 Soldiers stationed in Korea. He also served two tours in Afghanistan. He died in a roll-over accident.

He was a typical white/caucasion American doing his duty.

JimP
USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 18:51:25
I would like to know more about SGT Wento. Was he a Korean who came to this country, got his citizenship and served with honor? Like so many men and women who immigrated and served their new country proudly?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 17:31:12
Please be advised that Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has ordered that the United States of America flag and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts flag be lowered to half-staff from sunrise until sunset at all state buildings on Monday, January 25th, the day of interment, in honor of Staff Sergeant James Lynch Wento, US Army, a native of Lynn, Massachusetts, who passed away on January 5, 2021 in South Korea.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 17:22:04
There is a question whether Wilfred used all his savings or Mrs. Shattuck helped him buy the 72 acres for the airport around 1929. He and my grandfather, George Goodspeed Sr., were great friends and flew a lot together. Wilfred and George had great mechanical ability. In 1935 they they started with a 1929 Model A Ford chassis and made a home-made tractor. Then they attached a large circular saw blade just above ground level and on a horizontal plane. Somehow it could be raised or lowered slightly. Wilfred would drive it straight toward a tree and the spinning blade would cut down the tree. They had a fast "tree feller". There is a better description and picture in the book "Mon Reve". Where there was a will, there was a way.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 16:27:54
Why are the flags at half mast in Chatham today?
Donna

Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 15:58:36
I do remember seeing Wilfred Berube at his airport, and yes, he did carve out the airfield with support from a wealthy Chatham woman. Ms. Shattuck, perhaps? His book is called "MonReve", aka My Dream. At least that is what I can recall. I gave away my copy, sadly.
Wilfred rigged up an old vehicle with a ground level saw to drive in to pine trees and cut them off close to the ground.
So many of us watched planes come and go at the airfield, way before TV . And we watched Howard Rose land his plane on North Beach. No problem. My friends Barry Fulcher and Ross Gould both had planes at the Chatham Airport.. Both of those men are what I consider the best mechanics I have ever dealt with.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 17:29:40
Ned, Berube Rd. is off of Wilfred Rd. which is off Old Queen Anne Rd.
Sylvia and Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 15:06:40
Jared: I've looked all over and can't find Berube Road. Is it off Queen Anne somewhere?

All: Does anyone know where the Monomick's main village was physically located? I know of locations where some were buried, yet, not where they actually lived. Any knowledge on this appreciated.

Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring , TX USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 11:39:31
Lisa, email me direct with your email add. or phone number and I will send photos. It does not look as bad as I thought it might.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 09:06:27
Elizabeth, the house is not exactly Cape Coddish. Actually it defies explanation.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 06:34:13
Berube RD is it near or part of the Airport? Didn't Wilfred Berube create the airport?
Bill P
USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 19:50:32
If anyone wants to take their memory for a jog, who remembers these roads or where they are located? We talked about Broken Back Hill a few months ago, and even that shows up on GPS. Does anyone remember Berube Rd? I do from when I was a kid. It even had a sign. Not much traffic. How about Thomas Roger's Rd? Ring a bell?
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 18:16:24
I may have made a mistake on the house number for the plot on Joshua Jethro Road.It may now be 140. Don't worry, you can't mss it!
Nancy Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 11:13:22
Can anyone describe the house Polhemus is constructing on Holway Street to replace Mary Gould's Cape When I left in October, they had poured the foundation.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 10:48:09
To everyone upset at the razing of land for McMansions, I invite you to look at 325 Joshua Jethro Rd in Riverbay.It is not just happening on large lots with ocean views.What has been done to this plot of land to accompany a house that probably should not have been squeezed onto it is unbelievable.They should be ashamed of themselves.Greed is so very unbecoming.
Nancy Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 10:01:44
I just got my Dec.3rd Chronicle via Pony Express, but he must have thrown a shoe and gone lame coming across the country. I have read the e-edition on Wednesdays for years!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 09:46:12
Richard, I, for one, am in favor of bringing the boathouse back and would be willing to support the effort.
Tony
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 08:11:38
I am assuming that the Chatham Selectboard will not be in favor of accepting the 1936 Coast Guard Boathouse for future municipal uses. They do have a fiduciary responsibility to the residents of Chatham, but my message to them is "sometimes you just have to take a chance ".

Acquiring and sponsoring the return of this building would honor the many Coast Guardsmen who have come to the aid of Chatham mariners in trouble, going back before 1915 to the U.S. Life-Saving Service. Acquiring this building would be acknowledging that yes, these men did exist in Chatham to save lives and yes, they did operate from this building.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/22/2021 - 17:39:46
Jim D, knowing you, your education, and your background..., gotta admit, I was laughing about you preferring hard-copy. You have to be one of the few guys I know who can remotely reprogram a paperclip...in flight.

HA!! Jim

JimP
USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 18:06:59
So where do we stand with the Chatham BOS regarding their essential and critical support for acquiring the Coast Guard Boathouse and returning it to Chatham? And where do we stand with the residents of Chatham? Are they in favor? Are they willing to donate to a non-profit entity to help pay for the return of the building?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 17:07:36
I am the same way about my newspaper AND prefer a real book to Kindle. A matter of taste I guess.The Chronicle gives me so much pleasure.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 13:12:56
I just got my Dec.3rd Chronicle via Pony Express, but he must have thrown a shoe and gone lame coming across the country. I have read the e-edition on Wednesdays for years!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 13:06:21
I don't know if it's been changed but several of us realized the e-edition didn't have the same info in it the printed edition has/had. Either way, I'm with Jim - I want the paper in my hand.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 12:04:41
@Bill P - as an MIT trained Computer Scientist who is one engineers who helped build the Internet, you'd think I'd be OK with the e-edition. But I'm still somewhat of a luddite in this respect -- I like the paper in my hand.

Plus, I need a supply of old newspapers to start the fireplace! ;-)

On a tangentially related point, I'd like to point out how great the Cape Cod Chronicle is when compared to many other local newspapers. Up here northwest of Boston, our local paper (the Acton Beacon) was bought several years ago by one of the big chains (Gatehouse Media/Gannett Company). It is now a complete joke. Some weeks the paper is so thin that I just laugh out loud when I pick it up. They tend to only have a very small number of local news stories (perhaps 2 or 3), a half a dozen regional stories unrelated to nearby towns and the rest is advertising. I hope the Cape Cod Chronicle continues to maintain its independence for a long time.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 11:29:49
James D, maybe it's time to move over to the E- edition online.
Bill P
USA - Wed 01/20/2021 - 14:06:33
Here's a data point on the previous discussion on the postal service: Today, Jan 20th, I received my Dec 24th and Dec 31st Cape Cod Chronicle in the mail. I'm still waiting for a christmas present ordered from Germany and sent on 15 Dec.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 01/20/2021 - 13:11:01
Nancy Ryder Petrus- I totally agree. And people should not complain if they never get involved! We came here early 60s and have seen many changes. I see changes each day I am out! Just like the coastline.
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/20/2021 - 09:12:23
In my humble opinion, Chatham has much soul. That is one of the many reasons I could not wait to move back. Surely it has changed, but what hasn't? My dad lived to be 98 and loved his town. He said one must accept change and he certainly lived his life doing just that. There is no better town to live in and I am so happy to be back!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/19/2021 - 22:35:32
Hello:
Have not seen Elaine and Ben posting for a long time, hope they are OK?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 01/19/2021 - 20:22:58
For those of you that were interested in the modular home sections that were in the church parking, they are putting it together now on the former Nickerson property on Old Harbor Rd.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 13:37:31
Richard it's good thing you don't live here anymore. Despite the problems we have many of us still love it.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 09:05:36
I agree with Amy.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 08:30:18
There is a lot of soul in Chatham, you just need to know where to look for it.
Amy
USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 07:51:24
Remember back in the late 50's and 60's, when folks didn't want any apartments for perceived lower class folks. Now, this means houses are supposedly one family homes.
There are few if any open fields or vacant lots left as we knew back then. Chatham to me is becoming a wasteland, with short term Summer occupancy for most new construction and little soul left.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 18:45:42
Thanks for the info about the observatory, Wayne. Also, yes that house on Old Harbor Rd is gone.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 18:43:46
They look like FEMA trailers.
Bill P
USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 16:37:20
Donna and Gordon this was discussed on Facebook a bit ago. I said that I had heard a rumor that the man that bought Willard and Frances Nickerson's house on Old Harbor Rd. had some involvement with a modular home company and as he has had the house torn down I think that is a good bet. Also some other people had heard the same thing.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 13:59:28
Does anyone know where the buildings in the Catholic Church parking lot are going? Seems like a well kept secret.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 13:16:29
Wayne - drove to Harborview today. Saw where that house was demo-ed. Also took a ride down Moonpenny Lane. Final swing through town was up Seaview Street. Totally unrecognizable. I was in shock. If anyone hasn't been on that street lately, take a ride.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 17:12:37
Forgot to add that Dad took his teenage sons to Sipsons Meadow as well as Strong Island Meadow, before daylight, to bail out the gunning box and set out decoys. Cold? for sure. We traveled in a 16 foot skiff from the Fish Pier powered by a 5 or 7 hp Johnson motor. With seawater spray freezing on my back.
"Many were cold but few were frozen", instead of many are called, few are chosen.

By the way, one day it was just Dad and I. He set out his goose shadows\ decoys. In a short while, some Canada geese lit in front of him. I heard, bang, then bang bang. Three shots were all that were allowed. When it came time to come home, I asked him how did he do? He replied that he had gotten two swimming with his first shot by lining up their necks. As the remaining birds jumped , two shots were fired, dropping the 3rd and 4th goose.
He was not only competitive at fishing, but "gunning" well. He was a hard act to follow in those activities.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 16:59:16
Jared, that observatory on Waveland was built by or for Roger Randall who lived in the house next door, his son Bart still lives there. Mr. Randall moved here with his family in the late fifties and became the guidance councilor at Chatham High. His older son was in my class in school and we are still friends to this day. Mr. Randall was very serious about his astronomical hobby.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 14:53:04
Jared, it is a Wally Bicknell who collects the change in the binocular machines! I saw him doing it last fall and asked him about the job. The Town gets the revenue about six times a year and the collector gets a small cut. Wally inherited the job from his Dad and Uncle. He also said lots of other stuff is crammed into those slots....like slugs and seashells etc.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 12:48:16
When there was a similar machine at Rock Harbor, I had the key to it and collected the quarters. A man from CT services each machine annually, across the country. He had some interesting stories. Those machines are very well made. We had to pay a rental fee of $500.00 up front but never collected enough to make a profit.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 12:10:27
Charlie Cormier did for a while...
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 11:57:11
Jared, it is a Wally Bicknell who collects the change in the binocular machines! I saw him doing it last fall and asked him about the job. The Town gets the revenue about six times a year and the collector gets a small cut. Wally inherited the job from his Dad and Uncle. He also said lots of other stuff is crammed into those slots....like slugs and seashells etc.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 10:24:52
I come with trivia questions for those who might have answers.

Does anyone know the history of the observatory on Waveland Ave? Interesting little place that is well hidden.

And more importantly, does anyone know who collects the change from the binoculars down in front of the lights? Having spent all hours of the day and night in that parking lot through high school, and working for the Town for four years, I have NEVER seen anyone tend to those binoculars. Do gremlins come out at night and do it?

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 09:49:21
Having hunted on North Beach as well as Ministers Point and Tern Island, I can say without a doubt it is much less expensive , and assured of success, to hunt the meat counters at Stop and Shop. They have domestic duck as well as frozen goat meat, for those so inclined.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 16:57:30
Seaducks John, AKA Eiders. Black and white males, browninsh females. Avidly shot, sometimes cooked and eaten at home. Used to be a Thanksgiving morning tradition where fishermen using dories, were towed by a "mother boat", then anchored to a spot where the birds dove on blue mussels. The mother boat would pick up the downed birds which, when the shoot was over, would be divvied up. That may well be why the recipe joked of cooking a mixture of bricks and Eiders,eating only the bricks.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 14:50:32
Hunting at Cape Cod National Seashore

Hunting is permitted for deer, upland game, and migratory waterfowl. There is no open season on non-game species.
Upland game is defined as:

Crow, Ruffed Grouse, Quail, English Sparrow, Starling, Pheasant, Eastern Wild Turkey.
Cottontail Rabbit, Snowshoe Hare, Opossum, Raccoon, Fox, Coyote, Gray Squirrel, Red Squirrel, Chipmunk, Weasel, Skunk, and Woodchuck.

With certain exceptions, hunting seasons and regulations are in accordance with Massachusetts State hunting regulations. You are responsible for knowing both the state and federal regulations that govern hunting within CCNS.

Bill P
USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 13:00:43
I believe I am hearing hunters on North Beach Island in the very early mornings
starting at about 7 AM. Probably with shotguns. Does anyone know anything about
this? During which months is hunting allowed in Chatham? And where?

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 12:01:31
When I spent summers as a kid we had a new house, a small ranch. Not like the houses today for sure. It was on dirt road and get this, no heat. Even though it was new it was considered a summer house so why pay to install a heating system.

That was the view back then, small and frugal. Today it's bring Wellesly and Newton to Chatham.

Bill P
USA - Thu 01/14/2021 - 22:30:51
Wayne - I'll have to check out Harborview . Haven't been by there in a while. I'm amazed at the amount of building going on in this town . Whatever happened to our quaint little town? Ugly mcmansions everywhere. Very few tasteful Cape Cod homes built anymore. Just sad to see the town being over run with these awful houses.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/14/2021 - 21:14:13
Judy, The new house you saw from Harding's is at the end of Moonbeam off of Moonpenny.It seems it is a new house on a very large lot with an other house on it. And to James I went by 86 Harbor View and was appalled. That was a
great house and was in it many times. When I drove by I felt a strange noise and I think it was Matt spinning in his grave.

Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/14/2021 - 19:50:32
Jim - just got back from a walk to Harding's Beach. I saw the bluff but even more amazing is the new house over at Stage Neck going up. It's right by or off Moonpenny Lane. Each time I walk I notice more and more of the vegetation has been cut down to enhance the owner's views. I wonder what the Conservation folks would have to say about this? Years ago even the thought of building where these houses are now would never be allowed.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/13/2021 - 16:25:46
Richard - you were talking about looking up from Hardings Beach at the overly large houses on the bluff. There was one house up there that was a traditional Cape, sized for an average family. That was 86 Harbor View Rd. It was torn down a few months ago and I shudder to think what they are building now.

When that traditional cape was last sold, it was $2.1 million.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 01/13/2021 - 12:49:56
Chathsm365 is a group advocating for keeping/attracting younger families in town. One of the ways to do that (in their opinion and mine). They are not required to produce an unbiased survey. They are looking for people to help with their cause. In addition, the only question asked that really doesn't give you an option is "Why do you feel it is important to keep an elementary school in Chatham?" However, if you don't think it's important you can easily answer that you don't think so.

On the other hand, the school districts survey was also very biased in the opposite direction. It was very clear that the superintendent's desired solution was to combine the schools. That survey certainly should have been an impartial survey and not pushing the superintendent's agenda.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 19:29:30
The Mass Dept of Transportation is meeting with the BOS at 6:30 tonite to discuss issues with the rotaries etc. if anyone wants to join in please dial 508-945-4410 and the meeting id# is 134208476.. this is a great opportunity to discuss your concerns.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 18:14:26
Justin - I heard that as well. As far as the Chatham 365 Committee survey that is being circulated - it's a one way survey that is geared towards keeping the school and does not give any room for comments. If you choose not to answer one of the few one sided questions you can't move on to complete it. Maybe those that are looking into this issue could provide the residents of Chatham a well thought out survey? There should be room for folks to express different viewpoints and come up with some solutions. Just a thought.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 17:25:23
In regards to the survey, the results that are in the Chronicle, while accurate, are very misleading. Yes a majority of parents and staff preferred the one school option. But that is because a majority of the parents and staff taking the survey were from Harwich. If you look at the responses from Chatham an overwhelming majority wanted to keep separate schools. Also in that survey, the option of each town paying for its own elementary school was never given.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 17:15:08
Folks: In the past the Edges and the Chapman's hosted Chat-M-Room parties. They were a lot of fun (e.g., lots of good food, laughter, lying and tall tale stories). Who can forget our illegal fireworks show that went awry and started shooting rockets at a number of distinguished seniors on the back deck. They scattered like they were still in High School. I believe John H. posted some of the pictures above. In any event, a few of us feel it's high time we do another in June or early July. Who's up for it? Send an email to me if you are and we'll get her on the Summer Agenda. Happy to host it if no one else wants to. As in the past, we'll provide meat and hootch. In turn, you can bring a Cape Cod themed side or desert (which will considered in an informal cooking contest). Thoughts or support? No pressure if no one wants to do it and we will have to take the COVID issue (which will hopefully be over) into consideration.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 17:00:16
In my travels in Chatham this past Monday, I went to the Hardings Beach area, the "Dike", and of course along the "Boulevard"., AKA Shore Road.
It is plain to see the many VERY large homes that are not occupied at this time of year. Looking from the Hardings Beach parking lot up the bluff, there was not one house that could be considered within reach of any young family. In fact, they are all way larger than our modest home in Eastham. Multiply that by Seaview Street, Oyster Pond Furlong, Horne's Cottages, Barn Hill, Eastward Ho, Ministers Point, etc.

Several years ago, when I was to give a talk to Middle School kids about the CG 36500, I asked at the Desk "How many kids were born to Chatham parents last year?" Answer: One
I will leave you with that.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 16:53:56
Bill et. al.: Appears that Survey results can be found at www.monomy.edu on page 3674. This is a complicated and interwoven decision you Chatham voters have. From this Washashore's perspective it seems the larger related issue is linked to securing affordable housing in Chatham for young families. Then again, what do I know?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 14:38:03
Cynthia, can you at least give some info on how to find it? I found the other survey but not the one your talking about.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 12:46:31
https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5551/chatham/6693/In-Survey-Parents-Prefer-A-Single-Monomoy-Elementary-School.htm

"A survey of parents of Chatham and Harwich elementary school students as well as elementary school staff shows that a majority prefers housing all Monomoy Regional School District elementary students in one building."

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 12:40:37
apparently the chat room will not allow such a long URL. Friend me on facebook and see the survey
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 08:24:55
Next topic: The Chatham Elementary School
There is a survey online to fill out if interested.
I would love to know where the person was educated that did up the survey. Simple language goes a long way. But that's just me. Keep things simple. I did the survey and I hope I did NOT sign up to stand in the cold with a clipboard at the dump.
The link in another post.

Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 08:23:26
After watching couples involved in launching and retrieving boats at various ramps in different states, I have come to the conclusion that many divorces are started at these events.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 19:30:53
Cynthia, getting a very early start will increase your chances of getting a parking spot. Knowing how to back a trailer will significantly decrease the time from the ramp to the parking space and also help. Watching summer people on the ramp can be a point of entertainment or aggravation depending on your perspective.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 19:03:27
All: Good stuff. Great ideas. Cynthia, the floor is yours now. You must have a couple of cool Chatham topics that we can all consider and pontificate on this chilly January afternoon. Got anything a bit more interesting?
Ned Chapma <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 14:50:48
the non boater in the family would deliver the trailer boat and people- then drive away with trailer to return at an appointed time. Maybe people have to limit themselves to how many outings so everyone gets there. I have already lost interest in this issue :)
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 10:59:25
Cynthia - there is never room to park the boat and trailer at any of the landings. . . that's the main problem I see.. . not sure - - maybe others have more info. .
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 10:31:28
Not a boater here by a long shot but... I if went pleasure fishing I would get a trailer and launch my boat each time. Is that not feasible? Educate me.
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 09:31:01
When I signed up for a mooring in Oyster River about ten years ago, the Assistant Harbormaster looked me up and down and said "not in your lifetime."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 07:12:51
Many thanks Bill. Appreciated.
Ned Chapma <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:34:52
Better link.

https://chathamma.mooringinfo.com/ndr/menu.php

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:26:12
How do I get a mooring?A person requesting an assignment of a new mooring location and issuance of a new mooring permit shall complete and submit a "Town of Chatham Mooring Application" provided by the Office of the Harbormaster and pay the appropriate fee.If there is no berth available in the area requested, the applicant may request to be placed on the "waiting list" for the desiredmooring location and pay the appropriate fee.Mooring permit and waiting list applications are available at the Harbormaster Office and on the Harbormaster website at https://www.chatham-ma.gov/harbormaster/pages/misc-applications-etc
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:24:06
Geez Louise!! I just looked at the Harbormaster's Mooring Wait List and it's a bit daunting. 10-15 years at some locations. Looks like we need to consider Plan B, a dingy that I can haul in and out daily to do some fishing with my boys.
Ned Chapma <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:20:51
Not good news but it is what it is,

https://www.chatham-ma.gov/harbormaster/pages/mooring-wait-lists

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:18:53
Guys: Need a bit of boating guidance from the braintrust. What's the proper procedure to get on a Mooring List in Chatham? We did it back in 2010, and the wait was a couple of years it seemed. We sold our place on Doane Road before we got called up. Any general best practice guidance appreciated around how, when, timing, etc. In all likelihood I'll just have to launch from somewhere in town this summer. What town landings can we do this from? Sorry for all the greenhorn questions, yet, we've been out of the Chatham game for a while. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 15:34:22
Sunday morning power outage near town. How about other areas?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 10:49:08
As a long time OHS/CHO Board member, I can say we did look at the possibility of bringing the Boathouse back to Pleasant Bay , and hoisting it up to the top of the rise where the Pleasant Bay Boating, etc place is. They would have had half, the 36500 on permanent display in the other.
Events and facts cancelled our further interest. The building is too wide to offload a barge big enough to float it at Rock Harbor or River Road near Meetinghouse Pond.
Anyone got any other ideas?
Moving the Boathouse to the present Harbormaster site at Stage Harbor Road as another choice for relocation is an option.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 17:06:35
Perhaps like CG36500, the Orleans Historical Society should look into bringing the boathouse back to Cape Cod.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 14:42:31
Now is a good time to be on Kreme and Kone e-mail "specials" ! Today it is their fried haddock sandwich....fries or rings! YUM
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 14:32:05
I am appalled and saddened to learn that the Selectmen "balked" at the efforts of private citizens and private money to bring the Coast Guard building back where it belongs! The Town could have purchased it for a buck, but waffled around, as usual and we lost another iconic feature of our beautiful and historic town. Why can't these people make a decision? It has been inspected and was probably built like a fortress with timber's from Maine that will last hundreds of years. The Godfrey Gristmill has lasted since the 1700s of similar engineering and construction. HONOR OUR PAST!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 14:30:10
Ned, you and a thousand others would like to find a solid old whaler. Good luck.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 11:46:31
Supporters of acquiring the Boathouse were waiting for a commitment from the BOS. Steps have been taken to provide a conduit for fund raising. Positive feedback from the BOS would speed things up.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 10:59:17
Ned - that's generous offer for the donation. Several folks have asked me if anyone is aware of any website or address, etc, to donate towards bringing the boathouse back. Does anyone have any information on that?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 08:40:04
Judy, I let a lot of things pass but when you call out seniors I had to respond,you do a lot of complaining about how the town runs witch is okay I myself have issues but if you don't like it then run for selectmen but remember till you walk a mile in one person's shoes , you may not complain as much. As for the roundabouts I have no issues with them, I feel safer now than with the turning lane or as I call it passing lane.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 08:33:36
Folks: A quick side topic for your sage consideration this winter. We're looking for a solid vintage Boston Whaler to putz around Pleasant Bay with this spring. A 17' Montauk (1960s to 1970s) with a teak center console specifically. If any of the Chat M Room family members can point us in the right direction to locate one and purchase, we'd be pleased to make a $1K donation to the local Chatham charity of your choice in your name. We like and appreciate old things and would appreciate any guidance the group can provide. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 01:50:10
Crayton - I found your comment way off base that I don't like the elderly. Had you gone to town meeting in March you would have heard the speech I gave advocating for them. As far as your comments about the way things are in this town - you can sit back and enjoy your retirement; however as long as I'm a taxpayer here I'm entitled along with every taxpayer who pays the salaries of town officials to make sure our money is wisely spent. If you are ok with taxpayers voting down the rotarys and then having the BOS overturn that vote - that speaks volumes. If you are ok with the amount of roads that have been ripped up due to poor oversight of our town officials because pipes weren't placed deep enough - along with another whole set of problems, that's your prerogative. If you approve of the way the construction was handled at the fish pier once again, that's your preference. There's many of us that are watching the ridiculous amount of cost overruns because of poor management. As long as I'm working full time I'm going to advocate for the taxpayers . When I have the pleasure of retiring I most likely will seriously consider running. In the meantime you sit back and enjoy your retirement.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 20:15:05
I am appalled and saddened to learn that the Selectmen "balked" at the efforts of private citizens and private money to bring the Coast Guard building back where it belongs! The Town could have purchased it for a buck, but waffled around, as usual and we lost another iconic feature of our beautiful and historic town. Why can't these people make a decision? It has been inspected and was probably built like a fortress with timber's from Maine that will last hundreds of years. The Godfrey Gristmill has lasted since the 1700s of similar engineering and construction. HONOR OUR PAST!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 19:54:18
Judy, I let a lot of things pass but when you call out seniors I had to respond,you do a lot of complaining about how the town runs witch is okay I myself have issues but if you don't like it then run for selectmen but remember till you walk a mile in one person's shoes , you may not complain as much. As for the roundabouts I have no issues with them, I feel safer now than with the turning lane or as I call it passing lane.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 19:35:27
All: Justin makes some valid points regarding the Coast Guard Boathouse. New is often better. Yet, I think that we can all agree that high-grading and using a historic building has lots of benefits (e.g., classy statement, reminds people of Chatham's heroic seafaring past, well built and fit for purpose) and this has been successfully used elsewhere (e.g., Boston, Philadelphia, London, LA and San Francisco). As long as she can still do the job, why not use her? Perhaps there's some middle ground for the Chatham generations to consider. By way of example, high-grade the inside of the Boat House. For my two cents, I'm a supporter of bringing her home and we're happy to support this initiative.
Ned and Julie Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 18:12:17
Crayon - I'm sorry you feel that way. Why stay so quiet? It's always the same folks pushing this. My brother and I both experienced less than satisfactory services from the current regime when we reached out for help. My neighbors also experienced the same. I also was on the receiving end of a really nasty conversation from an individual that was so horrible I ended up getting a selectman involved and reached out to Jill Goldsmith . I could go on and on about the issues there - which is why it has left such a bad taste in my mouth and I will never support it. I do not believe it's fair to others to support this expenditure with the current plans they have in place. The last thing this town needs is another vacant building. We also have a Community Center that is under-utilized that has plenty of unused space as well as the Elementary School. Why not work with what we have? Do we really need to be involved in another project after the Fish Pier and the rotaries? Town management has made it abundantly clear they're not up to the task of managing projects.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 17:09:50
I was under the impression that there is already a lot of money obligated for the proposed upweller/marine related uses at the Bridge. To the tune of 3 million perhaps.. By the way, when Old Harbor Station was moved from North Beach, it was only 79 years old. Now it is 122 ! It is one of the best preserved and furnished, if not the best, of the 27 similar designed stations built in the country. Most of them are long gone. Too bad it and the CG 36500 weren't kept in Chatham.
The boathouse was built in 1936, which makes it 84. CG 36500 will be 75 this June. Time flies when you are having fun.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 17:04:29
Judy, I'm offended that you don't think kindly of us old folks just because you don't or won't use the COA when you had bad experience with parents. That is no reason to treat seniors as second class citizens.I think a new COA is needed and the time has come for them.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:47:58
Bill - I agree the current building should suffice. I also am not into paying taxes for a few students only to attend the elementary school when attendance has been declining for years. Folks need to think outside the box before committing 9 million for a COA when other options could potentially exist. As far as the boathouse - there is history there but I'm not sure those expenses would be approved at a town meeting. The boathouse did leave Hull today for Quincy where it will be placed in storage until a place for it is found in Chatham. That was reported today by the Chronicle.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:38:22
Their is nothing wrong with the current COA building.

The boathouse is history and should be saved. Their is minimal cost involved.

Don't we all still like the RR museum. What if the selectman back then said no, to much effort.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:03:43
Just seems some people here like to talk for everyone else. You are more than entitled to your opinion, but not to speak for all younger people. Yes I understand how taxes work, and I'm willing to pay my share to support my town.

I'm also tired of hearing about the pandemic as a reason against the COA. I understand that it looks bad. However, by the time it is built and we start paying for it the pandemic will be behind us.

I also find your comment about keeping the elementary school intriguing.....

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:03:11
I am very much in favor of getting the Boathouse back to Chatham. We have lost to many of our historical artifacts already
Tony Murphy
West Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 15:40:18
Justin - you appear to be in the minority. I have spoken to so many younger folks and we all feel the same - regardless whether or not a boathouse is in the mix. Do you realize you'll be paying taxes on it for multiple years to come? The younger folks seem to have their own sets of friends and groups they belong to these days. I do not see myself ever going to a cooking class or using any type of service that facility would provide - especially based on past experiences many of us have had with aging parents. If we want to keep the Elementary School, we should figure out a way to incorporate both. To build a 9 million dollar facility to satisfy a few folks and spend that kind of money is beyond ridiculous in a pandemic. I have no comment on the boathouse.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 14:25:43
Pretty sure I'm part of that "younger age group" you are talking about and would rather have a proper modern COA in town than some old boathouse.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 12:53:54
Richard - the Board of Selectmen have no authority to commit taxpayers money that hasn't been approved /appropriated by the town. They seem to be more interested at this point in building a COA for folks currently in the 80-90 year age group and have folks that are 40 +'pay for it forever - without taking into account the younger age group wants nothing to do with a COA.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 20:45:27
Gordon, I have no idea. Building Department will know.
I am very disappointed that the Chatham BOS could not see their way clear to give support to moving the Coast Guard Boathouse. with private funds !!!!
If they had been around in 1491, this country wouldn't have been discovered by Columbus. Or, if they were around in Leyden in 1620, they would not have boarded the Mayflower. Too risky.
They should have gone to visit the building (maybe they did) and see for themselves just how well built the building is. It is a very simple building, heavily built but with no plumbing, no electricity, no interior walls to complicate things . What you see is what you get.
Another historic Chatham building potentially lost due to severe handwringing and inaction by elected officials.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 17:24:37
Richard.... Where are those Modular Homes going, that are in the Catholic Church parking lot ???? I ask you because you know every thing ..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 13:58:40
Now is a good time to be on Kreme and Kone e-mail "specials" ! Today it is their fried haddock sandwich....fries or rings! YUM
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 13:10:02
Beth - thank you for posting that! I have yet to read the Chronicle but it seems there is always something left out that can make a difference. I hope Lily's was mentioned as well.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 09:32:46
The Chronicle has an article this week denoting which local restaurants are closing for the winter and those that are remaining open. Sad to see they ignored to mention two terrific local businesses owned and operated by hard-working minorities -- Public Cafe and Branches Grill. Please support them too.
Beth
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 07:54:13
Here's one for all you chathamites who always like to discuss and think in the past. About 65 miles up the road (Cambridge), you had an emigrant, Noubar Afeyan, thinking about the past as well. He is now a hero to the world, you see this guy was at his daughter's birthday party about a year ago where he owns Flagship Pioneering, supporting incubating companies. One of them is Moderna. From out of left field he was thinking about his past with another friend, having a beer and with a few giggles, remembering bits and pieces about mRNA (messenger RNA)-hmmmm. He remembered the sequence of the strand of mRNA that was known for more than 10 years. Rather then sit there and doing nothing he moved. Moved out of the past with notes off a Rest. napkin and into the future- like lightning fast.
He thought-a factory could be the cell, the mRNA could be used as the molecule that ferries the DNA instruction to the cell's protein making machinery that in turn, makes proteins (antibodies) that can fight disease-hence the vaccine is born. Noubar was no MIT or Harvard Graduate, he was someone creative with the past and he conquered SARS-CoV-2 ("Covid"), I've never seen the press even talk about this remarkable true Story. You heard it first in the Chztham chatroom, hope you can get by the tiny technical presentation and move towards the original point at the start of this post.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 01/06/2021 - 22:28:14
Some good news, at least this point, the Cape cod baseball league took the positive step in announcing their 2021 schedule with an opening day June 12.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 01/06/2021 - 07:53:47
Happy New Year fellow Chat-M-Room fellowship. I sure hope it's a good one for us all. Tommy (AKA neighbor) many thanks for the warm welcome to the neighborhood. We're enjoying our very first cup of coffee in the new home right now. Man, we sure missed this town! All: I went up to Ace Hardware yesterday and bought a bunch of new household stuff including loose hand tools. Does anyone know where I can buy an old metal tool box (with some patina to her). If you do, please send me a separate email. I need it kinda pronto and can pick it up anywhere. Many thanks. We're looking forward to Chatham again and hanging out with many of you good folks.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 15:56:25
Tim Wood updated the status of the Coast Guard Boathouse yesterday, 31 December, on the Chronicle website. Great news, but we still have a way to go to get the building back to Chatham. There soon will be a place to make your donations to defray the upfront costs of permitting in Hull, moving it, storing it in Quincy (again) etc.
Happy New Year, with huge thanks to David Doherty !!

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 15:51:16
Happy New Year fellow Chat-M-Room fellowship. I sure hope it's a good one for us all. Tommy (AKA neighbor) many thanks for the warm welcome to the neighborhood. We're enjoying our very first cup of coffee in the new home right now. Man, we sure missed this town! All: I went up to Ace Hardware yesterday and bought a bunch of new household stuff including loose hand tools. Does anyone know where I can buy an old metal tool box (with some patina to her). If you do, please send me a separate email. I need it kinda pronto and can pick it up anywhere. Many thanks. We're looking forward to Chatham again and hanging out with many of you good folks.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 09:54:34
Happy New Year and a safe year.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 08:25:58
Better than a dull line

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