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You can't beat the fish pier market when they open in a couple of weeks. Other great places for takeout are Branches and Chatham Moods, which while not 100% seafood will have fishy choices.
Don
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/31/2025 - 09:36:53

Had a great combo-plate last night at Kreme & Kone. It was shrimp and oysters along with fries and onion rings. Probably the best meal I've had there in ages. It was their special for the day - It was under $20. Not a bad deal at all when you don't feel like cooking.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/30/2025 - 11:51:04

There's Kreme and Kone in West Chatham (www dot kreamnkonechatham dot com) and the Chatham Fish Pier Market opens Apr 16th.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 03/29/2025 - 10:47:31

Blue Fin's does take out
Tony Murphy
USA - Sat 03/29/2025 - 09:47:21

Please can anyone recommend another seafood
take out restaurant other than Mac's.

Thanks
AK
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/28/2025 - 18:48:18

FYI: There was a recent post that needed to be removed because it broke a couple of rules, and I wasn't able to do that as quickly as I would have liked, but I was aware of it. I was notified of it also through Facebook messenger.
There was a post made in February, which should have been removed, but because there were then at least two other people who referenced it, which caused me a problem because then do I delete those posts too? It's a manual effort to edit the files so that adds to the amount of time it takes.
So I'm asking you folks to let me know by email or phone call if there's some post that really is a problem instead of replying to or referring to the post because of the issue that doing so causes.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Wed 03/26/2025 - 01:12:31

Dan, my reasons for selling my house are none of your concern. I certainly am NOT a hero,I just choose to not live in fear of the "what bad things could happen" - if I did I wouldn't drive a car on the highway, board a plane or travel to big cities. There are certain factions in this town whose strategy is to paint a topic with unsubstantiated claims and try to scare people with doom & gloom scenarios (like the airport where it really comes down to noise and lower property values.) in an effort to gather votes. Manipulation has never been a winning strategy in the long run - my strategy in the business world was based on facts and the applicable statistics backing the up. Sadly, too many people in Chatham utilize a philosophy of say anything to get their way because the end justifies the means.
Dave Mott <djmott@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/25/2025 - 15:55:59

I don't know who Dan and Alan are but you two should meet face to face and get your dislike of each other out in the open and over with. The vitriol resulting from your disagreements is very sad to witness and is uncalled for. It really is unfortunate that two adults cannot disagree with each other without insulting each other. Very sad
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/25/2025 - 09:39:20

Richard; I don't remember the date when the bombing of the Longstreet stopped but I think it was the late 80's that my brother Dick and I flew my Stinson Voyager thru the middle of the old girl. He has a video of the " Hole trip " [LOL].It wasn't long after that, the Navy demolition team helped her disappear. May have been the same crew that made the Pendleton disappear ?
Barry L. Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 18:51:06

Dan
For me, it has never been about getting the last word, and I am not sure why some on this site are so concerned about my Mexican consultant job I accepted.

What I am sure of is that if you and SueS are now so concerned about lead, when you have your next blood test throw in a request for lead ,it's easy to run and it's cheap. I can almost guarantee you or anyone in Chatham for that matter, will have a reading even 1/4 of the 8.5. Then some will begin to see who's creditable.

Trying to stay on one of your other fronts about COOL. Continental's Gordon Bethune developed a thinking- WORK HARD-Fly Right. YOU AND SueS might wish to try this in your private lives. In 2 years, he took a 8 billion dollar company from a near third bankruptcy filing into one the best ever companies, airlines or otherwise i(during his tenure the stock went from $2.00/ share to $50). Then you'll see who's cool. His prior experience was a RETIRED 20 year NAVY JET MECHANIC.

Some people should take a look at themselves in the mirror.
Alan
USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 18:26:44

I do believe that Jet Skis can only be operated at idle speed within 150 feet of the shoreline. To effect a safe landing and not endanger folks who are in the water swimming or otherwise engaged in what people do in the water..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 17:42:32

Bill P: I looked at one of Noel Beyle's books about the SS Longstreet but it didn't say when the bombing stopped. It must have been in the 80's. It collapsed into itself in the early 90's. One week we could see it from Eastham, the next week it was gone from view. The Cormorants had to find a new roosting place.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 16:57:55

Alan, I am not being nasty, I am stating fact. You are not as credible as you are making people believe. As a sales guy for the mexican lead oxide conpany did you have to interpret alot of data? The research Sue provided from the NIH, EPA and NoS leaves very little room for interpretation. Lead based aviation emissions are dangerous for humans. Period. I understand why you and other pilots would take exception to a truth like that, especially when it takes away the badass cool factor of being a pilot that many like yourself were undoubtedly seeking... but ultimately there is nothing cool about doing something that is not necessary and is harmful to so many. Well, I am sure you and your AI will want the last word on the matter- so you can have it.
Dan
USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 13:48:02

Dan
Research is one thing. asking questions, learning how to interpret it is another and finally how to apply it is how to successfully advance a subject to reach the final goal. Have you ever tried any of these? Your comments are nasty and meaningless. Is this the best you can do?
Alan
USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 12:34:33

The entire world can rest easy now. The sales guy for a mexican producer of lead oxides and former pilot said lead emissions from piston engine aircraft are safe. Who needs the EPA, NIH, the Academies of Science or common sense when we we have this guy to look out for all of us.
Dan
USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 09:26:33

Alan, I had nor have any concerns about the fuel the A-1 planes used.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 08:44:59

sorry BBL could be referenced as BLL blood lead level
Alan
USA - Mon 03/24/2025 - 08:26:12

SueS/ Dave
Whoa, that's quite a list of reading to prove a point. And Leaded Avgas is the largest emitter of lead -hmmm? SueS you neglected to mention the following. I think you might find that refineries, coal plants and lead smelters `'eject "far more lead into the atmosphere. Furthermore, organic lead compounds, like those found in leaded gas or additives are absorbed and metabolized in the liver, in other words filtered out of the blood stream. These organic lead compounds are excreted in the urine or thru biliary clearance (feces).

So beside list articles from the US GOVERNMENT agencies which indeed I believe, there is this fact of assessing what you read and the context in which they are presented.

The most widely method of testing for lead is simple blood test calling out what is commonly referred to as Blood LEAD LEVELS (BBL) MEASURED in micrograms per deciliter and 0.885 is typically the typical norm for adults in the US and as seen by OSHA.

I seriously doubt, that general aviation aircraft , especially flying overhead, would place grandma or your children in any detrimental Biological fate as suggested by SueS. And Richard, if you learned so much and you're so concerned about the refueling of A-1 sky raiders, maybe its time for a BBL. SueS, if you are that worried about lead exposure, the greatest concern for exposure would be house dust coming from such things like lead pipes or paint, not Cessnas.
Alan
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 22:56:36

Richard, when did they stop practice bombing in Orleans? I can remember those practice bombings. So it was going on in the 60's.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 22:16:56

Bill - I have friends that have jet skis. They were off Harding's last summer. They are everywhere. They are in Oyster Pond almost daily. Not sure why you don't see them - but I am at the beach every day when weather permits and jet skis are everywhere. As far as your last comment - it's not true.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 20:27:34

You need to scroll down further. I tried again to cut and paste but it is blocked. What you read was 1997, but it was amended at town meeting in 2001.

I mean the jet ski industry sued. It was a big deal at the time. I bet you have not seen 1 jet ski in Chatham in 20 years. Ask yourself why.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 20:06:33

I do know that when I was the duty Admin Officer at the Navy Hospital in Groton, I was involved with the recovery of the body of a Navy pilot who" bought the farm' while on a training mission that involved NoMans Island . The island was obviously a target range. Just like Monomoy was in the 40*s.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 18:00:52

BILL P. The amended waterways bylaw reads the same as what Judy posted-150 ft.
265-8 Sailboards, kiteboards and similar watersport craft.
A.
The use of sailboards, kiteboards and other similar watersport craft is prohibited in marked navigational channels, guarded swimming areas, and within 150 feet of bathers, divers, piers, docks, and moored/anchored vessels. Sailboarders, kiteboarders and other similar watersport craft are allowed to operate within the area of outer Stage Harbor as defined in 265-20C.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 17:38:38

Richard, what do you know about the island off Martha's Vineyard owned by the Federal Gov (previously Navy) that it's illegal to go to, Nomans Land.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 17:19:21

It starts,
Within the boundaries of the Cape Cod National Seashore as set forth

Then,
On the tidal waters of Nantucket Sound southerly of the Stage Harbor Channel

But I can't post the full language
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 17:10:15

Thanks to the ChatRoom, I have learned a lot about Aviation fuel.
On the USS Intrepid, I watched AVGas being mixed in napalm bombs . Yes, we still had A-1 Skyraiders, which were single engine prop planes . One was even credited with downing a MIG.
We had to come alongside a Navy "oiler": (tanker) every few days to take on AV gas, jet fuel, and fuel for our boilers.
That was where excellent seamanship was held in high regard.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 17:03:05

Tried to post the actual language but it is being blocked.

https://ecode360.com/10426494#10426524

Chapter 265 waterways. Amended 5-14-2001 ATM by Art. 32; 5-14-2022 ATM by Art. 43]
Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person shall operate a personal watercraft:
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 16:54:53

Thankfully what I posted is current and on the Town website. Also - Consider the source - Cape Cod Times and the fact it's 24 years old. . . . LOL.. . .seriously - folks have been jetskiing for years off Harding's and in Oyster Pond as well as other places. Not sure Oyster Pond is legal - but they are off Harding's just about every day in the summer.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 15:29:49

From CC Times headline. I cant see full story because of paywall.

May 18, 2001 --- Wednesday night, Chatham voters ended their town meeting by approving a sweeping ban on the small, water jet-powered craft"
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 14:44:59

Bill - The Town did NOT ban the use of personal watercraft. This is on the Parks & Recreation page. You can go there, scroll down and click on the red link that says regulations PDF.

Sec 3.1-BEACHES

The operation of boats, windsurfers, water skis or similar may not be conducted within 150 ft of designated swim areas, marked by buoys, at Cockle Cove Beach, Harding's Beach, Oyster Pond Beach, Ridgevale, Schoolhouse Pond Beach, except for emergency or police, Harbormaster or Park and Recreation department boats.'
PENALTY- 100 dollars
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 13:43:26

To have a civil discussion empathy is necessary. Pilots lack it and every time they become "unhinged" it is because they simply cannot see the problem.

One example of the research mentioned:

"Pilots exhibited lower least squared mean scores in global trait EI [emotional intelligence], Well-being, Emotionality, Sociability, but not in Self-control."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-18868-4
Dan
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 13:19:38

Dave, as you requested proof that lead based aviation emissions are bad for humans, here you go. AVGAS/100LL (low lead) is used in planes like the Cessna and Piper which are the two most commonly flown planes out of CQX. So, to all those who fly a plane that runs on AVGAS/100LL because you currently can, please keep this in mind when you are flying over our homes, our elderly and our children.

Nat'L Academies of Sciences: Options for Reducing Lead Emissions from Piston-Engine Aircraft (2021)
"Small gasoline-powered aircraft are the single largest emitter of lead in the United States...A highly toxic substance that can result in an array of negative health effects in humans"
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/26050/options-for-reducing-lead-emissions-from-piston-engine-aircraft

NIH: Cardiovascular Mortality and Leaded Aviation Fuel (May 2022)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9140422/#:~:text=Leaded%20fuel%20used%20by%20piston,are%20not%20always%20statistically%20significant.

NIH: A Geospatial Analysis of the Effects of Aviation Gasoline on Childhood Blood Lead Levels (2011)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3230438/#:~:text=Results:%20Our%20results%20suggest%20that,the%20regulation%20of%20leaded%20avgas.

EPA Determines that Lead Emissions from Aircraft engines Cause or Contribute to Air Pollution (2023)
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution

EPA: Basic Information about Lead Air Pollution
https://www.epa.gov/lead-air-pollution/basic-information-about-lead-air-pollution#:~:text=The%20lead%20effects%20most%20likely,learning%20deficits%20and%20lowered%20IQ.
SueS
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 12:18:57

Constantly amazed at the frequency of vitriol used by some towards others when opinions differ. No way to solve a problem and no way to foster civility
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 10:39:11

First sentence typo correction. Frequently should be frequency
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 10:37:09

CTAF means " common traffic advisory frequency " which is a frequently unique to every individual airport. The Chatham CTAF is 122.8. Anyone can punch it up on the internet and listen in. Also, the reason that reciprocating aircraft engines are gradually transitioning to no lead is purely for health reasons and have nothing to do with the safety of the fuel. Gas is gas and no gas is anymore volatile than any other. In fact, JET fuel has a much higher flash point than gasoline. It will still burn voraciously but takes more of and ignition temperature to ignite. The reason lead was added to gasoline in the first place is because leaded gas is kinder to intake and exhaust valves when they close. Since the introduction of hardened valve seats and valves themselves the need for leaded fuel was no longer needed. Aviation is slow to change when it comes to engine parameters thus the reason for the slow introduction of no lead in aviation.
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 10:35:28

When siting aircraft statistics it is meaningless to just give the number of crashes of a particular airplane without adding in the number of flight hours of the fleet, the number of takeoffs and landings, the reason for the incident, etc.etc. This is how the media misleads the public when it comes to aircraft accident reporting and I particular the safety of a particular aircraft. also it was stated that JET A is unleaded. JET A is not gasoline, JET A is a highly refined kerosene fuel and contains no lead. It was also stated that Catham is an untowered airport which is basically correct but the actual term used is non- tower controlled field wh8ch does not mean that no one is paying attention to takeoffs and landings but that every aircraft is required to announce their intentions before taking off and landing which is accomplished by announcing intentions by making a radio call on the airfields CTAF that is heard and acknowledged by every aircraft on the field and in the air. Non tower controlled airports are no safer or more dangerous than any other field. Getting in your car and driving is and will always be more dangerous than aviation but that never keeps anyone from driving now does it?
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 10:23:25

Dan
As usual, no one on this site knows what they are speaking of when they start attacking people. To set the record straight, I am both a retired chemist and pilot and since you are doing google searches, yes I was employed as a Mexican Chemical company to map out a business in the USA. I think I understand a little about chemistry as I worked in chemical pilot plants and in the lab, working with both hazardous products and chemical entities of life- amino acids /proteinsf for more than 30 years. And in your google search of me (which I do not do with others), makes no mention of a "small experience "with Delta Airlines. This linked in google search was done deliberately to keep people like you, out of my business.

The aircraft we are speaking of in the below posts are turboprops and they do not use typical leaded fuel. So yes, Cessnas of the "low scattered Aluminum type ,use leaded fuels, do you know of any other fuels available for Lycoming engines. Take a ride out on Ca. route 5 and you will see more hazards compounds in the air in an hour, i than you will see at the Chatham Airport in a month.

How you bring in a specific individual into this is beyond me, so what if he was successful in life, its as little to do with this discussion. What about Corporate pilots, they are mostly extremely well trained and know what they are doing.

Not sure where you obtained this info about emotionl intelligence. Fyi, both pilots and chemists have one major trait in common, analytical evaluations, that is to say, looking at data as well as focusing on every instrument in the aircraft to get constant readouts as to what the plane is doing.

This hhole warrant is a waist of many for legal fees
Alan
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 10:18:49

Dave, You are very brave for not being scared- considering you are supporting the people and corporations who are buzzing your neighbor's homes and killing our way of life here. Such a hero. If you love the air quality and noise so much why are you selling your house?
Dan
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 09:43:07

Elaine, my point was that if you make the claim that the Pilatus is a more dangerous aircraft than a smaller plane you better have the stats to back it up - which by the way the stats prove otherwise. You're right about my level of exhaustion not determining what goes in the warrant however beating up voters with the same issues meeting after meeting likely contributes to poor attendance at our annual meetings - younger people don't like to waste time in my experience. I will be at the meeting, I will vote no and I won't be influenced by false claims designed to scare me. See you there
David Mott <djmott@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 08:33:57

sorry about the post about crash/ death ratios post and the mistakes with the wording, This sometimes is an AI factor

Never-the-less what I was suggesting was that it's the conclusions drawn from the data that are most important. And if one is wondering how the. 208B enters into the picture, it has similaritiess to the PC-12.
Alan
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 08:25:52

Acronym Alan strikes again. Aren't you a sales guy for a mexican company in the business of lead oxides? Simple google search. Listen, the Cessna is a good plane, but it burns leaded fuel. Lead is bad for life. If people do not know that by now, then perhaps they are suffering the effects of it. R&D show that pilots lack emotional intelligence such as empathy and that is the root of the problem. No one with an ounce of empathy would do what these pilots and conpanies are doing. Isn't David Oppenheim a pilot? Maybe he has gotten to the Board. I remember hearing a stories about how he would offer the use of his plane to newly elected/appointed people in town. Probably the only reason this airport is still open. It's a liability. It's expensive. It's only used by a few and will be used by more and more corporations like Tradewind aviation if something is not done If the aviation community does not want to bend, then it should be broken. Our rights on the ground should supercede the rights of a low EQ pilot who is clearly trying to conpensate for something. As for Anderson Krieger- the law firm retained by the AC. This is the same law firm used by Cape Got Gateway and thr same law firm sued over the Par City wind project. While, technically lawyers, this firm functions more as lobbyist for the aviation community. Their interpretation of fact should be scrutinized and they should be fired.
Dan
USA - Sun 03/23/2025 - 08:00:18

SueS
Do you even know what make turbo engines are in either the PilatusPC-12 or the Cessna 208B have within them and what kind of "go juice" they are burning. I'll give you a hint, the Cessna 208 B relies on one of the most reliable engines anywhere, the `Pratt and Whitney PT6-A

So why does the aircraft folks become `'unhinged?" Because of all the FALSE info that comes out from people like yourself. The folks at Cessna have age, experience and compentancy, well beyond what you even try to suggest
Alan
USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 22:15:28

Dave/Elaine
Really Elaine-all that 2 min. research you do about the Pilatus Swiss built PC-12 and again the CAVALIER attitude that comes with it-a bit ugly? This crash data/deaths due to accidents, perhaps what one way wish to consider is the following:
Where were these crashes occurring and how many may have been in Alaska or places similar?

How many crashes and deaths were occurring under night time IFR conditions, Chatham doesn't even have an ILS?

How many crashes were due to icing conditions?

Are any of the above factors addressing your proposed presented data about possibility of crashes?

And how many landing and departures are the PC-12 going to make in a day?

And noice-Whether it's a PC-12 or a Cessna Grand 208B which FEDEX uses for their feeder runs on a nightly basis, these are turboprop engines. When the crews spool up for departure, yes there is a short period of make increased decibels, but once researching there Revs required for a take off roll-usually in seconds,, the noice levels significantly decrease

How many of these crashes were due to the incompetency of the crew? I'm sorry Elaine, this is the kind of R&D that is meaningless and accomplishes only one thing, sending customers of Chatham elsewhere
Alan
USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 21:58:22

Yes jet skis. Stand up ones are rare now and they are all sit down now. They are banned in Chatham waters.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 20:34:52

Bill - not sure I understand your comment? Are you referring to Jet Skis? There are plenty out there. . . . .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 18:48:01

Dave, thankfully your personal level of 'exhaustion" doesn't determine what does or does not go on the Warrant for debat. You are not required to attend Town Meeting if it's too much for you. I don't fabricate anything to make a point relative to the noise generated that I have verified. I do my homework and stick to facts. Nor is it my job to do research for you. The number of small plane crashes vs a Pilatus is irrelevant. Larger aircraft carry more passengers and fuel doing far more damage if they crash. Having said that,it took me about 2 minutes to find NTSB statistics for just the P-12. Since 2009, there have been 10 crashes in the US with 56 deaths. Since 2002 there have been 16 crashes with 73 deaths. Nothing to either aspire to or wait for. I think we have sufficiently beaten this dead horse.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 16:09:25

The town had no issue banning personal water craft. To this day it is still a ridiculous ban.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 15:33:26

Elaine, I wager that I live closer to the airport than you do and I don't hear the noises you speak of - you and I have been on the same side of a number of town issues but in this case we clearly are not. Mr. Stahl's offer to remove the ill advised clause is admirable but it doesn't address the legality of a town trying to regulate zoning of an airport under the authority of Federal & State laws. While I appreciate sharing the specifics of the Pilatus aircraft, your argument stills lacks statistical support. What % of these planes crash versus single engine planes? You have not proven the hypothesis that they are more dangerous. As previously stated, I am exhausted by the continuing airport battles when we have bigger issues to deal with - issues that you so eloquently speak of during very Town meetings.
David Mott <djmott@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 14:35:27

Sue, once again I challenge you to provide supporting evidence that the people of Chatham are being harmed. I have read articles that discuss potential side effects however most reference exposure to airport workers working at high volume airports, which CQX is not. If you want to be taken seriously get the air quality numbers for Chatham or stop trying to frighten people - it's not a convincing argument.
David Mott <djmott@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 14:21:25

Mr.Stahl offered to remove the penalty provisions by amendment at Town Meeting, simply limiting aircraft to a wingspan of 49 ft as a compromise.His treatment was appalling. Here are some facts. Chatham is an untowered/daylight, purportedly 'fly friendly" airport. 63 percent of all crashes occur during takeoff and landing. 80 percent are due-all or in part-to pilot error.The Pilatus P-12 carries 2704 lbs of fuel.The P-24 carries 5965 lb. I can hear turboprops revving their engines 2 miles away at my home. West Chatham is a densely populated neighborhood with homes in the flight path and RPZ. Not all airports are equal despite claims. If there's a crash, dozens will likely perish on the ground.Thanksgiving 1997 a fatal crash occurred due to wind shear killing the pilot and a passenger. We shouldn't require another crash before attention is paid. The FAA is under safety review for good reason, as we all witnessed last fall. Citizens can't afford to spend thousands on attorneys to compete with the unlimited financial resources of Town government-ultimately us- to get 13 pages of legal opinion- a tad overkill and you have to ask why. Disparaging to intimidate our neighbors by calling them disgruntled, accusing them of antics and scare tactics, and fearmongers by the Airport Chair, is beneath Chatham. Town Meeting debate is the last resort for citizens when government repeatedly refuses to address public safety issues. Petulence and boredom of those who don't live anywhere near the airport is inconsiderate and lazy. Let the Attorney General decide. We pay them too.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 14:02:05

Dave - Thank you for proving my point. Here is some information from the FAA about lead based avgas/100LL (low lead) commonly used in piston-engine aircraft like the Cessna's and Piper's. Large commercial and military use Jet A unleaded...which is what makes these small plane hold outs still so dangerous and why manufacturers are finally making smaller planes that can fly using unleaded auto gas.

If leaded gas is safe, as you presumably contend, why do you think the industry would want to switch to unleaded?

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-environment
https://airplaneacademy.com/the-differences-between-avgas-jet-fuel-auto-fuel-and-diesel/
SueS
USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 12:50:30

Sue, I assume you have done an air quality study to back up your "scare tactic" comment. Unless you have concrete evidence specifically applicable to effects on Chatham residents, we have no reason to believe your warning.
David Mott <djmott@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 12:23:15

For some reason the aviation comnunity believes they have the freedom to do whatever they want, whenever they want and the moment that is questioned they become unhinged. In many respects these people are nothing more than a mob of bullies on a playground. If Chatham can learn one thing from Barnstable- we cannot accept any further money from the FAA. We may have no choice but to close this someday and when that day comes it will be easier to walk away if we don't have to pay the FAA back. For the timebeing, don't breathe too deeply Chatham because most, if not all, the planes flying in and out of CQX are still using lead based fuels.
SueS
USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 08:25:12

Well said Dave - 100% agree. I watched the meeting and have to say I was really disgusted at the way Mr. Stahl was treated during that meeting. The pro airport folks were more than rude to him. There is no need for that kind of animosity directed at someone. From the Chairman of the Airport Commission to the others . . absolutely rude and uncalled for. I am so disgusted at the Chair of the Select Board for letting that dribble continue. Their point was made and that should have been the end of it.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/22/2025 - 06:57:31

Leaf blowers, mowers, trimmers come almost daily to my next door neighbor's house! Owners almost never here....! Huh? Worse is when the power goes out another neighbor has a gas powered portable generator he fires up less than 20 feet from my bedroom.....while my food in the fridge/freezer starts to rot.this is not the "Chatham way" I grew up with! Bob Ryder's generosity to Jared is the right way!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
USA - Fri 03/21/2025 - 19:48:32

Sadly voters in Chatham will once again be forced to endure exhausting conversation at the May Annual Meeting about the airport via a poorly designed warrant article regarding the classification of planes allowed to land at CQX. If you remember the 2022 Annual Meeting, voters soundly defeated a similar warrant but this time, both our Town Counsel and the Airport Commission counsel have determined that the warrant is illegal and cannot be enforced. Mr. Jerry Stahl spoke passionately at the last Select Board meeting however the SB heeded the legal opinions of our attorneys. While stating that the planes in question are quote "more dangerous", he offered no statistical evidence to support that claim. Let's be honest here, the same small group of disgruntled adjacent homeowners will oppose/challenge any issue. I'm voting no and wish these self serving neighbors would spare the majoring of Chatham residents the time wasting antics.
David Mott <djmott@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/21/2025 - 13:07:58

Richard
The act 0f kindess performed by Capt. Dave Ryder in assisting a needed family, was conducted at the dock as you indicated , on an unofficial basis. It was nice of him to do that. I think the situation changes when you are an elected official.

Where does this township thing come from?

Judy: the rest i'll just pass on
Alan
USA - Thu 03/20/2025 - 20:25:39

What was not entered a few days ago was that before the Town of Chatham had an Executive Director, there were three Selectmen. One of their titles was that they were the Board of Public Welfare . They had knowledge, and the ability, to help certain citizens who needed help. The public was never aware of what they were able to do, as it should have been.
A fish thrown up on the dock to a needy family was done unofficially by Captain Dave Ryder, who served five three year terms as a Selectman.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/20/2025 - 17:09:40

Alan - please - Chatham is NOT a Township. I'm curious as to why you have such a vested interest in Chatham when you own a place in Harwich? Harwich politics not enough to suit you? Let's not get back into the airport again please! Yes, Stuart has quite the following. We need a change on the current Board and he'd be perfect.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 03/20/2025 - 12:28:32

Lot happening in Chatham now. Looks like the Chatham Weather Station is a lost deal. Some folks, were they sleeping at the wheel? The time to put a full court press for that deal was 6 months ago.
So who comes on to the court next MR. STAHL where is he going, an attemp and petition to partially shut down the airport. He has a great amount of support, really, what 100 signatures. And if anyone thinks this is going anywhere, whether he employs the now famous on the Chat room site-Flight Tracker. Is this another waste of time? Whatever, but certainly an unnecessary legal fee to the residents.

But could be some good news, on paper, at least, Stu Smith, is going to run, Judy he might bring some positive positions to the township, but one still will need another like candidate to slow down some of the non sense
Alan
USA - Thu 03/20/2025 - 11:02:09

While we are on the topic of police and not ticketing individuals. . . . I have almost been run over multiple times along with my dog by TOWN trucks speeding on secondary roads. The town needs to invest in trackers for their vehicles. I have caught employees sleeping in the cemetery, parked at Town Landings, and driving around the town's beaches. How do I know? Because I take my dog everywhere - especially the beaches. We do NOT need more employees. . . . we need to have these folks held accountable. If you see them screwing off, get the number of the trucks they are driving and send to Megan Downey at Town Offices. I decided to give the guy a break yesterday that almost hit me and my dog. I screamed at him and held my phone up as if taking a picture. When I catch him again, he won't be so lucky. This is ridiculous. The police need to step up and catch these speeders as well.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/19/2025 - 18:05:08

Somehow i Get cut off. Maybe my large fingers.

Dave knew who in Town was hurting, and was more than willing to throw up a codfish on the caplog to who he knew was appreciative.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/19/2025 - 17:21:32

Steve and Don, be careful what you wish for. You may not like the result.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/19/2025 - 16:19:38

Speaking of law and order, how about paying better attention to marked lane violations! Jeeps and dump trucks especially seem incapable of rounding a corner without straying over the yellow line. I see it happen all the time in front of cops and have never seen a response to it.
Don
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/19/2025 - 13:17:02

Another major issue to me is the unwillingness of the PD to enforce motorcycle noise ordinances. There is no reason to allow motorcycles with loud exhaust systems to be on the road. The inconsideration of the Owner's and the PD in this regard is disgraceful. Every new motorcycle is stamped with an EPA warning about loud exhaust. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/205.169.
And don't tell me that loud pipes save lives. I was the manager of a large motorcycle shop in the seventies and believe me the only reason people put loud illegal pipes on bikes is because they like the sound of them. Loud motorcycle owners should not be allowed to get aware with this abuse of civility and good order. The Chatham PD should get on the stick and end this attack on peace and quiet and enforce the law.
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/19/2025 - 10:31:58

Re: Speed limits. It would make sense to me that before we change speed limits( not opposed, especially Quuen Anne Rd) ,that we find out how many speeding tickets the PD actually wrote last year. If we knew how much existing speed limits are being enforced we could make a determination about whether we have an enforcement problem or a speeding problem. I can't remember ever seeing a cop writing up a driver for speeding.
steve jesus <Sjjesus21@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/19/2025 - 10:19:30

Another way to handle the homeowner tax. The town could just not seize the property for taxes. Take no action until death or the house is sold. This should be town policy for elderly seniors who can't pay. Or set up a $1 a month payment plan until death or the house is sold.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/18/2025 - 19:24:19

Brian, I admire your leadership.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/18/2025 - 17:14:08

My name is Brian Phillips and I am Concerned about The citizens petition Article that will pay the back taxes of a resident on Cedar Street. This is a good cause, but the article seems to be illegal and will not accomplish the desired goal. I contacted Thadd Eldredge of Impact Chatham and he agreed to help me with the technical aspects of doing a fundraiser. The fact of the matter is that there is someone in our community who needs help and putting this article through town meeting may cause more harm then good. We have set up a Go Fund Me to start this process and it can be found at https://www.gofundme.com/f/reduce-the-cedar-street-tax-bill-avoid-illegal-article
Brian Phillips <brian.phillips.toc@gmail.com>
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/18/2025 - 14:09:03

@BillP I remember that little hill well. I still speed up for it, but it's been reprofiled and doesn't work anymore. It was fun!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 03/17/2025 - 07:08:28

Bill P. the dump has a bin for paper down at the end on the left side.
Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/16/2025 - 19:53:14

Does anyone know if the dump has a section for brown paper grocery bags? Or just toss them in the regular trash area. Thanks.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/16/2025 - 17:51:37

Who remembers the little hill in the road on Orleans road by Pleasant Bay by the bog. If you went fast it was like a roller coaster feeling in your stomach. I remember as kids we used to say here it is, go faster.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/14/2025 - 18:52:17

Jim: Can you actually identify who up here "holds these men in high regard"?
I don't .
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/14/2025 - 17:34:34

Thanks Barry for the correction. I am sorry. I don't do Facebook Messenger, or else I would have responded
directly.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/13/2025 - 16:46:42

to Bill P. I believe the Durham house is owned by the owner of CBI, not the Inn
itself. Yes, Jennie still livs next door.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/12/2025 - 22:27:11

Richard:It would seem that you were the only one in your class had polio,as my wife told me that her sister Grace Ann didn't have polio ,she was born with a"hip dysplasia " Sylvia sent this to you on Facebook Messenger and got no reply .
Barry L. Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/12/2025 - 19:28:40

Richard, his nickname amongst the service industry was "no tip" for his propensity to rack up large bills and then stiff the wait staff. He was infamous in Chatham and Harwich for doing this.

Not to mention his obscene drunken shenanigans. The State Police had a hard time covering up all of his and Ted Kennedy's drunken escapades; but they did a pretty good job considering how people up there still hold those clowns in high esteem.
Jim
USA - Wed 03/12/2025 - 18:36:08

"All politics is local." according to Tip Oneill, who was a member of Eastward Ho and obviously the Speaker of The House Of Representatives.
John Pratt once found a ball of his that was labelled
"The Speaker Lies Here."
Cousin Susie probably still has it.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/12/2025 - 17:58:34

Richard - Once again, please lay off the politics. PLEASE. RFK is here for four more years.

BillP. - I have been working with others on trying to find out why 27 trees were cut in Union Cemetery with no permission, no purchase orders/payments, and what happened to the wood from these trees. Stay tuned. Needless to say, this is not acceptable.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 21:15:27

Thanks John for the last name. Yes it looks much better now. But the old style did fit Tina's personality. However I wish CBI was not the owner.

Does Jenny still own the house next door? The last house to be private along the whole section.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 18:51:30

Just to update info about who had contracted Polio in Chatham; brother John confirmed that everyone in town would have known who was afflicted, it was no medical secret, and they included Grace Allison in my class and Anna Olson in his class.This was in 1948! Way before TV and cell phones.

I will trade your unaffected by polio life for mine.

RFK Jr, wake up to reality .
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 17:59:21

It was Tina Durham, and I believe she had her son design it. The house looks
much better now than when it was first built.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 17:27:22

A woman named Tina, I don't recall her last name.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 14:37:36

Does anyone know who had the octagon house on Shore Rd. built?
Wayne Gould <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 14:09:11

You're not kidding Sylvia!! The FedEx truck went flying up our road the other day! It's been going on for a while
Tony Murphy
USA - Tue 03/11/2025 - 08:23:07

Indian Hill needs a 15 MPH speed limit. Fed X goes through the neighborhood doing about 60 MPH.
Sylvia Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/10/2025 - 21:19:11

Heritage Lane needs to be 25mph. People come flying over the hills not just cars, heavy equipment too. Very dangerous. Plus there's 3 intersections.
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/10/2025 - 09:08:57

How about using high tech double stick Velcro or double stick tape to attach the overlaying sign?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/09/2025 - 16:52:32

In my younger days, (ten years ago) I would have done each sign for $10.00 plus the cost of the sign.
I DID have a sign business at one time.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/07/2025 - 17:33:42

Bill, what....no $350,000.00 consulting contract to determine the best way to replace the signs..?? This isn't the Chatham way. Should probably study the problem, toss a few hundred thousand at it, wet finger in the air to determine the will of the electorate, and then do the opposite.

It's only money.
Jim
USA - Fri 03/07/2025 - 15:30:06

Just reading the cost for replacing speed limit signs if 25MPH is voted for. $81,000. Here is an idea, just have the new sign made so it can be riveted over the old sign, the MPH part. Put one employee on the project, about 200 signs would not take 600 man hours as stated. 1 per hour should be easy.

200 signs @ $45 per sign would be $9000. Make it 10k to cover the rivets and gas. The employee is getting paid anyway,so no cost there. We have to stop overpaying for everything.

Then when the town decides 25MPH is crazy we only have to remove the cover signs.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/07/2025 - 13:42:34

Tim et al
Your mentioning of the Capecod times article peaked my own interest. There is another article out there entitled "Lots of PFAS in Maine Lobsters-Military Poisons written May 24, 2023" by Pat Elder.. The article is very easy to read and I think you would be very interested in it. It discusses levels of a specific PFAS compound-PFOS at 157 ppt which is very high and how other PFAS compounds are contributing to this problem. The ocean is ultimately the dumping grounds for all the poisons.

Another very interesting article is concerning the very large and famous French Plastic producer, St. Gobain. Only in the last months they have decided to demolish their Merrimack New Hampshire plant as they have been found to be a major contributor of PFAS in the region and have locally destroyed the water supply. They were producing "performance plastics." Their end Products included items such as bottle caps and large poly 55gal drs to store chemicals to name a few. What is even more interesting is their products centered around the polyethylene backbo,nne (HDPE,LDPE,LLDPE )and no Fl backbone containing chemicals.
Where is the PFAS coming from ,processing aids? The local Gov't is all over them now, but I am sure a surgical investigation will occur.

I have nothing to say about Mr. Gould's comments
Alan
USA - Fri 03/07/2025 - 11:55:35

Wayne,
Not Really, I asked because it interested me. Seeing the breakdown of data even if some of it is above my current understanding both answers my question and leads me towards what to look into next if I choose to pursue the course of thought.

Alan, Thank you for the quick response. Upon further digging, I had come to the same conclusion that the chance was low, but could be a contributor to Lobsters with PFAS from the Feb 4th, 2022 article in the Cape Cod Times.
Tim Ryder
USA - Fri 03/07/2025 - 01:07:42

So Tim, Aren't you sorry you asked? We all are.
Wayne Gould <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/06/2025 - 20:06:59

Tim
From the below, you have asked a very simple question, with a significant amount of complexity surrounding it. I would like to respond with highly improbable, but until someone actually pays for a study to test your question, no one can respond with 100% certainty. If I recall correctly, there was mention of PFAS in the processing aids, which no one ever thought possible.
Alan
USA - Thu 03/06/2025 - 16:42:46

Tim
The majority of foams produced, vintage or otherwise have no florenes in their backbone structures. If one looks at polyurethane foams (those that are used in seating bed matresses or car) are produced using CO2. OF course there are speciality polymer floro foam makers out there , with Dupont and 3M the major makers of these Fl containing polymers ,which indeed have caused major environmental problems.

Now, if one looks at cellular styrofoam or polyethylene foams, some of these are made with a common compound called Azodicarbonamide which is now known to cause cancer, but a different story than PFAS.

The real difficulty stems from the fact that all plastics are produced using functional materials/processing aids (fillers, stabilizers, fibers, antioxidizers). no "regular" foam maker ever tests for PFAS compounds in their products. In fact, the makers of these functional raw material additives processing aids, that go to the makers of foam. do not normally test for PFAS compounds.

A story touching very close to home ist in Marthas Vineyard (MVY)with synthetic athletic fields which contain regrinds of rubber monomer/polymers,. These "rubbers" are coming from reclaimed tire compounds, which are claimed to trace PFAS chemicals and probably so. These fields, are claimed to be causing cancer due to the PFAS within them.

There are two sides to this story, those Researchers representing the cancer side and those scientists suggesting the benefit risk ratio, that far out weigh the PFAS concentration compounds within these turf fields , mainly because they are so difficult to measure, if they are present at all.
MVY hired some `'very expensive and world known consultants that were forcing this issue, that is , to make a new field with natural grass or synthetic materials . I think the verdict is still out on fields or children's playgrounds in general. Both sides hav
Alan
USA - Thu 03/06/2025 - 16:30:16

Alan,
I have a quick query after reading through your PFAS presentation.
Could the lobster-pot foam buoy's used for yard decoration over the past half-century possibly impact the levels as they degrade?

Dad,
It used to be "Captain Kangaroo" that I would think about with Chatham visits as your old neighbor was Mr. Greenjeans, but after the nickname rollout I'll be thinking "Our Gang" may be more appropriate. ;)
Tim Ryder
USA - Wed 03/05/2025 - 22:43:38

Twelve fresh Chatham littleneck quahogs, opened, on ice and delivered to your Chatham MA door to the first person to decode my latest status of LTBP. (PS: You will have to wait until warmer weather.) John H, you might remember when I did this many years ago! Reply via my E-mail address.
Bob R <zutcg444@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/03/2025 - 09:49:59

How about Wingnut, Willy Dip Net, Pogie, Pickwick, and so many others? George "Bucky" Goodwin of the A+P store (now Ben Franklins) .
Yes, Cupcake was a lobsterman but before that was a delivery man for Cushman's Bakery products.
I don't recall that any of the women had nicknames.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/01/2025 - 16:55:51

Warren Quinn was married to a woman from Chatham . He was in the Coast Guard and was nicknamed "Bromo" while at Nauset Station.
There was a headache remedy called "Bromo-Quinine". so I guess they used the Quinn name and changed it to quinine, or vice versa.

Anyhow, the BROMO license plate is hanging with hundreds of other signs at the Land Ho.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/01/2025 - 16:43:04

Not to date myself but how about Porkchop, DeepSee Dick, or Cupcake.
Wayne Gould <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2025 - 20:06:59

Or "peg leg"
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2025 - 19:01:05

Or "Needle Nose"
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2025 - 18:59:01

Does anyone remember "Lefty"?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2025 - 18:56:52

Handler got his nickname from being a collector of scrap metal and selling it to the Handler junk yard in Harwich.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2025 - 17:46:54

I hope this is not a second submission.
Alan, don't be offended. Chatham kids had nicknames, just like most of the males in the Town.
"Poor Dave" Ryder; Walter "Hungry" Young, Albert "Handler:" Young. Warren "Tack" Young.
Dick "Chape" Matteson - the list goes on. Carl "Bobo"
Olson, Verne "Digger" Hunt.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2025 - 18:53:36

Speaking of tracking flights, Acronym Alan seems to be a frequent flyer on this site.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2025 - 17:12:31

Thank you so much Jen. I was watching them also doing aerial acrobatics.
AK
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 02/26/2025 - 11:26:11

Now that I am watching local training flights over the Outer Cape, I just saw that Air France Flight AFRIX just flew over Chatham. JFK to Paris. Different altitudes hopefully. Very cool website.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2025 - 17:22:20

Alan,
Do you ever proofread or punctuate your domineering commentary?
David Farrell
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2025 - 11:11:50

Safe Drinking Water ACT (SDWA) and PFAS
First, I can some up in one word to Richard's one sentence "Bull'
Second so that Chatham constituents know what officials are responsible for, a brief observations and summary is indicated below.
Once the USA EPA enters into Final Rule, `Local Gov'ts will be required to be involved with tracking, labeling and REPORTING (current estimated time line is 2027) Hence, the key very simple questions to ask:
Do officials have the USA EPA test methods in hand
Is there any plan in 2025 to start testing for the PFAS in All Chatham wells using EPA test methods for the chemicals called out
Have any federal funds beed applied for to do this work
Alan
USA - Tue 02/25/2025 - 08:41:37

AK,
I did not see them, but their entire flight is available on ADS-B Exchange for replay (https://globe.adsbexchange.com). It looks like it was around 3:10pm today (or 20:11 Zulu/UTC). The planes took off back-to-back from Falmouth and as you said flew back and forth over the sound and in very close proximity to one another. For anyone who saw it and would like to report it you could try the Falmouth airpark 508-548-9617 or the Boston FAA/FSDO office: Phone: (781) 238-7500.

If you do report it, they will need the tail #s and plane info found below.
N733JJ - 2001 Vans RV8
N7XM - 2003 Vans RV4
Jen
USA - Mon 02/24/2025 - 17:11:41

At Red River, did anyone see the two planes flying side by side back and forth over sound today?
AK
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 02/24/2025 - 15:23:15

It's too bad this chat room has fallen to this level.
Tony Murphy
USA - Mon 02/24/2025 - 08:13:26

All one has to do is Google Chatham, MA PFAS to get the skinny on the status of the wells and what type of PFAS the Town of Chatham is dealing with. My one sentence.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/23/2025 - 17:47:23

This is for SueS and Mr. Gould
The only thing you are doing is piling on. Sue in your efforts, you are out there attempting to close down airports where Fire Departments created the PFAS problem. In fairness to them, they had no idea are the toxicity problem that would be caused. You are out there `spinning the truth" which frankly, makes we sick.

MR. GOULD, similarly making claims which you have no idea of what you are even speaking of. Yes, when I see people Categorically and Defiantly breaking MA law, I speak out. DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO THIS OR do you stay I hiding in your mancave?
Alan
USA - Sun 02/23/2025 - 10:27:42

For those who wish to continue to attack, they may wish to understand the following: I have always been willing to put my money where my mouth is. I will always continue to do what I think is right with believable supporting evidence. Now onward with the PFAS subject and John , I know you have asked me to tone it back a bit, but I write the below in the hopes that one of your posters who wish to do what's right and use it.

Much has taken place since April 2021, outside of Chatham Township's webpage, especially at the US EPA. The EA must be extremely confident in the PFAS science they have for the minimum concentrations of the compounds they are calling out, or they would not have the US Congress to enact these new laws. There are many ways to proceed in evaluating Science, especially where costs enter into the program, but here are some further basics for Chatham. Chatham has verified they have PFAS in their drinking water, but do not know which compounds. I would think, in order to keep from breaking Federal laws and losing funding, that established Test Methods from the EPA be promptly ordered in to determine if any of the chemicals that are called out, are in the Chatham wells. Who knows, maybe Chatham might get a "hit" with the EPA Work? I would also suggest that MSDS information be obtained for all of the EPA entities called out. Beyond this, since there are greater than 1700 PFAS chemicals and growing, one way to start to find the compounds, would be to start with the 20-30 most common PFAS and seek information on these. And if necessary with any" positive suggested Hits" to begin running tests on any one these combining the Chatham information that is known with the outside. Is it possible to filter, if you do not know what you are filtering for?
Alan
USA - Sun 02/23/2025 - 10:07:29

SueS, It has not worked before and most likely won't work now. Also I have very good information that he is a big problem at the association at the condo he owns in Harwich
Wayne Gould <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 20:07:17

I think if we ignore him, he will stop talking. Thank you for sharing the information, Elaine!
SueS
USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 13:29:11

Elaine
Not sure why you respond like you do. Yes, I get some beginning information from Chat GPT, but I know it's not the end all. Knowing how to employ it can be very valuable, you might wish to try it. Never, never have I ever"perpetuate misinformation" especially on a topic like PFAS. I made some worthy suggestions, and I stand by all of them. While the Chatham website may be of some assistance, I am not sure if any precise PFAS compound has been called out. With the new FED EPA REGS calling out specific compounds, don't you think attempts should be made to know precisely which PFAS chemicals are in the Chatham well water? Who better to discuss with than the USA EPA? As far as research goes on Chatham, where do you come off of with such a statement. I am quite aware of well 6 that have/had PFAS measurements reregistering as high as 7.2 when it was being repaired and later measured 3.6 vs. the fed limit then at 4.0. And that blending was conducted with wells 7 and 9.
Similarly, I am aware that wells 5 and 8 located near Ebans Way had levels of PFAS measured at 56ppt. And yes, I am aware of new wells 10 and 11.
Elaine some of John's posters know very well that I have a modest residence on the Cape and I pass thru more than just a few times a year. You know very well who I am and rather than go and be on an attack, I challenge you to a cup of coffee instead of John reprimanding me. What have I done wrong?
Alan
USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 12:32:12

John, Alan telling people to literally google Chat Gpt to get their information-where he apparently get his- and to call the CDC- confirms that he hasn't done his research on Chatham. Our town staff is well aware of the DEP AND EPA standards for PFAS. They were first discovered in Chatham in April 2021 and we do testing as required on a regular basis even if there is only a trace. If they are above the state and/or federal standards our wells are shut down. Alan would get more accurate info on Chatham, instead, by simply looking at the town website where all our data is available. And taking a drink of Chatham water when he passes through a few times a year is not the same as consuming our drinking water on a daily basis as we do. It's your room. You can reprimand anyone you want, but it is a disservice Chatham residents to perpetuate misinformation on a topic of such seriousness. Maybe that's why people don't use their full names.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 11:02:45

Dan: Alan has as much right to post here as you do, and actually a bit more, since I know exactly who he is.
I can't currently say the same for you as your signature isn't descriptive enough.
Also, there's NO Chatham property ownership requirement to use this forum, but he has property nearby on Cape and visits Chatham which more than meets my rules. One simply has to have an interest in Chatham and make comments relevant to it, or the nearby towns.

Elaine: You said previously that Alan doesn't drink Chatham water. Maybe not everyday, but I am confident he does on occasion. You have zero proof of your claim.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 10:17:49

Thank you for sharing Elaine. All good information on PFAS!Since Alan hasn't found a chat room in NJ yet- maybe you can post again so everyone can find it easily.
Dan
USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 09:11:13

John noted.
When I spoke of AI being used I was speaking specifically of Chat GPT. The kids know how to use this. With the existing known data and the right questions asked, one can begin to obtain some very usable information, that is if you are upgrading and adapting the initial information that comes out on a consistent basis, all FREE.
Alan
USAone would be - Sat 02/22/2025 - 08:10:56

Alan: While I believe that, based on your education, knowledge and career, you can discuss PFAS and chemical pollution in detail, I would suggest that some comments are getting a bit too complicated for my readers, ok? Remember your audience is not that sophisticated.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 02/22/2025 - 01:38:33

Elaine-PFAS
To evaluate the unknown, you need to have a hypothesis with the given information However, before even starting this, Chatham will need to "call the ball". Meaning the Fed EPA are already indicating there soon will be a Federal Law for max. Concentration of the following PFAS compounds: PFOA, PFOS, "GEX Chemicals", PFBS, PFNA,PFHxS-currently no way around this.

Despite what might be that I have no skin in the game, nothing could be farther from the truth. So allow me to present a rudimentary Alan Prescription for PFAS, laugh if you will:
To establish a hypothesis, AI should immediately proceed with questions with the given as to what is known already, specially designed so that response can continuously be upgraded and adapted.
Chatham officials need direct contact with the USA EPA, the same would hold true for the European Environmental Agency and most if not all, would be FREE. These agencies can provide key direction, data, and maybe even suggestions in how to attack PFAS. Failure to do, would be a huge mistake on Chatham's part. Chatham authorities should be in contact with the CDC.
Chatham officials need to be in direct contact with the 2 largest producers of PFAS compounds; DuPont and 3M. These2 companies are holding Hugh data banks on PFAS. Chatham needs to be speaking how other states and European entities to secure what options that are out there where similiar exist.
To say you're going to establish PFAS filtration it is well known that the Europeans have ongoing programs, However parameters need to be considered to understand this will work. There's no better knowledge then to hear, been there and done that.
While Fe and Mg may be necessary, to be removed, the job at hand is to determine the PFAS compounds in the water and are they simgularily able to be detected and by what measurement means.
Alan
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 23:38:22

I would say look at the treatment plant as a source of the PFAS. It concentrates it all in one place and can't be filtered out. Lot's of articles on this. In our hope to clean our water we may have made it worse.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 21:05:14

I am posting my previous comments again in the hope that Chatham residents who are directly impacted can read it before Alan posts again. This isn't an esoteric or hypothetical discussion. It's about the quality and quantity of Chatham's drinking water- which Alan doesn't drink. Perhaps we can stay focused on Chatham since we're going to be faced with a lot of spending requests at town meeting and need to decide what our priorities are. 'PFAS are unbiquitous. Attempting to find any sole source is unlikely as there are countless causes. However, 9 of our 11 town wells are all within our Water Resource Protection District north and west of RT 28 abutting the airport and Commerce Park where fuel, air conditioners, old rusted trailers and vehicles and other sources of contamination have been stored for years. Instead of trying to find an illusive source, The solution is to install Iron and Manganese treatment on all of our wells which is required in order to install PFAS filtration. We are way behind on this. It takes years to design and construct, and millions in cost. Rule of thumb; Survival-3 minutes without air,3 days without water,and 3 weeks without food. So why isn't our drinking water- both quantity(increased storage capacity and new wells) and quality of our drinking water- at the very top of our list? The eternal Chatham question that town government continues not to address.' I hope chatham voters will let Town officials know that drinking water must be at the top of the list for public health and safety.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 20:51:03

SueS
Probably the most important observation in your Yarmouth mentioning, is that the former Municipal Fire Training Academy in Hyannis had complete control of AFFF) (Aqueous Film Forming Foam) purchased and used by them, to fight simulated fires (airport crashes or otherwise). This fact has zero to do with the number of departures or landings at `Hyannis" and again any suggestion of his fact is a totally false claim.

Science has now come to recognize the 2 main PFAS components of the AFFF are PFOS and PFOA. Yes, so if these compounds are present in your plume, then it is almost certain that the foam is the root cause. I believe thIS has beeb concluded.

In Chatham, I do not believe PFOS or PFOA have ever been detected In the water supply. So One hypothesis begins to suggest that Foam is the root cause of the PFAS problem and hence one can begin to also conclude that that the CHATHAM Airport has nothing to do with this fire fighting foam difficulty in the water supply.

Are you 100% that the Dennis water uppply does not have any PFAS compounds in the Water?
Alan
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 20:14:04

PFAS are unbiquitous. Attempting to find any sole source is unlikely as there are numerous causes. However, 9 of our 11 town wells are all within our Water Resource Protection District north of RT 28 abutting the airport and Commerce Park where fuel, air conditioners, old rusted trailers and vehicles and other sources of contamination have been stored for years. The solution is to install Iron and Manganese treatment on all of our wells which is required in order to install PFAS filtration. We are way behind on this. It takes years to design and construct, and millionsin cost. Rule of thumb; survival-3 minutes without air,3 days without water,and 3 weeks without food. So why isn't our drinking water- both quantity(increased storage capacity and new wells) and quality of our drinking water- at the top of our list? The eternal Chatham question that town government continues not to address.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 20:05:54

Sue, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Town, but your surprise that Chatham would have PFAS leads me to believe that you may be missing some of its history. I'm not suggesting that I know where the plume had originated from or that the pollution is exclusive to the following sources, but with PFAS being from ambiguous origins, it's worth noting that over the years, Chatham has been home to numerous military posts and installations from several different branches. Additionally, RCA(and subsequently MCI) owned about 165 acres of land from South Chatham to Chathamport, including over thirty acres in the vicinity of the aforementioned plume. I'm not saying it definitely came from this, but it is possible. The town was once more openly industrial than what you see today.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 19:18:01

No assumptions. The PFAS in West Yarmouth is from the plume at the airport. Plenty of articles about it. Just because Chatham is now filtering the PFAS does not mean it is not here anymore. I was only curious if anyone knew if the source of the PFAS in Chatham was ever identified? Odd that a place like Chatham would have a PFAS problems when somewhere like Dennis doesn't.
SueS
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 17:32:47

for some reason I cannot post the data from the website, but there are no detectable PFAS in the water wells drawn from our single source Monomoy lens in Chatham.
Jim
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 16:02:41

dealing with PFAS
First, what are you measuring, total PFAS in the water or the more difficult singular entities of PFAS. I think ChATHAM has been dealing with this issue for some time. if you are unable to identity the PFAS specific compound, you will more then likely have little chance of understanding where or what the origin is.

To assume that either CHATHAM or Yarmouth PFAS contamination is derived from the airport is unreasonable.

I would gather to guess, that Chatham has neither JP4 or any other advance jet fuel stored on their property and the same would hold true for PFAS foam. Good old fashion water was used to extinguish any fire.
Alan
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 15:47:05

Alan, I know you don't live here, but where do you think our PFAS came from? Also, in your opinion is jet fuel good for our drinking water and our air quality?
SueS
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 13:29:02

Dear SueS
When one scientifically speaks of PFAS. there are more than 30 different compoundes .. (30 different substituted "groups" coming off the carbon backbone. Making it even more difficult to understand is the fact that some of these compounds are used in such trace amounts that in routine production techniques they are extremely difficult to measure and know the ultimate source. For more than 10 years now, the USA EPA has carried out intensive studies to know more.

For example, PVC profiles (bottles) need a number of different raw materials to make them successfully. As the PVC is loaded onto an extruder, one member of the formulation might be a PVC stabilizer a calcium/Zink TYPE to make the process work effectively. The CA/Zn compound comes to the maker listed as 100%, but somewhere along the line of the Ca/Zn making, it may have touched a trace quantity of a PFAS COUPOUND,
no one can no this for 100% sure.

So the CaZn example is much different than the pervasive foam application, it's easy to measure the concentration in the foam, where it is near impossible to measure in the Ca/Zn. Throw out the Ca/Zn of find an alternative you say, done all of the time in industry, but eventually one will come to see that the CaZn is the best approach, even by EPA standards.

A more common study is that of athelic fields
Alan
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 10:39:25

Dear SueS
You (any any others) having an objective of closing down " Cape Airports" for reasons you have very little understanding of, makes no sense. First, Otis is currently known and occupied by the Air National Guard. The mission-intelligence gathering and is one of the single most importance operations in all of the US. The Navy uses this base as an option to relocate fighters should it ever become necessary. The number of flights in and out of the Cape Air fields has zero to do with PFAS contamination and everything to do, with what is well known today, with the older perfluoro foam formulations,
This system was used to extinguish fires resulting in air crashes. Before all this became known, Otis was routinely used by fire fighting depts. as a training area to conduct these operations.. This ceased, but not before it became known of the extreme environmental toxicity. Leaching has occurred and most likely still is occurring only because there are few known ways to stop it.

The Navy or the ANG has zero interest in Chatham or Hyannis to land jets. And any suggestion what so ever, that aircraft fires and perflorinated foam were used is to put out fires, is nonsense at either of the other fields. All three of these airports are an asset to their communities. FYI MVY island has done extensive work on PFAS compounds, you would do well to place an emphasis on this work
Alan
USA - Fri 02/21/2025 - 09:19:13

Actually- if you review my posts my preference is for the airports to close. If that cannot happen then Otis may be better because there is less encroachment. I think your concern about Otis was that more glights could come to CQX?
SueS
USA - Thu 02/20/2025 - 12:07:57

Sue you were arguing for the airport to go to Otis. What about those people? Do you practice what you preach? Are you giving up flying? Or do you just mean not in my back yard? Like all climate preachers who fly around on private jets.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/20/2025 - 09:52:03

Alan- Since you mentioned the airports. The airports and the planes are bad for the water supply on Cape. Two wells in Yarmouth had to be shut because of PFAS linked to the airport. The airport's response was 'not our problem'. As for Otis, well that PFAS is spreading more every day. Poor Mashpee is covered in it. Was the source for our PFAS problem in Chatham ever identified?
SueS
USA - Thu 02/20/2025 - 09:30:36

Yes, we are in very interesting times and over the next 100 days we might even see a clear path as to where we are going. One might consider reading this weeks letters to the Editor of the Capecod Chronicle and the foundation for which some of the ridiculous positions are based on. Then look at DOGE (true facts all being posted on the net for everyone to see.). Besides all the financial info that is being revealed now, one might wish to catch the fact that approximately 94% living in the Washington DC area are Dems, forgive me. where most base their thinking positions off of, News media or otherwise. And `I would submit, where most of the folks are obtaining their 'FACTS" Some still do not understand that Federal law supersedes any `mass. state law and this holds true especially where violent crime is occurring

Those not getting their puffed up daily feed from the trough are out squealing and one may look at Today's CBS news, it's a mess and the others are not far behind. Yet most New Englanders, Mass., Chatham, and many on this site, have viewpoints that will not change, even if they were to get not a $5000 check from DOGE. Which boat do you wish to be on, the "Judy Boat" or the "Richard Boat?"

`instead of worrying about airports, what about water. The $37,000 proposed plan for home owners to hook into the new main line sewer system. Or the new findings about micro plastics, now being found way beyond accepted limits in the body, due to the way the extruders are making the bottles themselves.

When I was young andgrowing up in New England, I took everything that Walter Cronkite said as gospel and `I still believe that todqay
Alan
USA - Thu 02/20/2025 - 06:50:14

Thank you for your kind words Richard. Her last few years were very comfortable and she lived her best. She wanted for nothing.

As your generation dwindles, it is all the more important that you write things down, make a record of the local history. Ensure your memories are captured.

We've made a lot of advances in this day and age but I'm not sure we can call it unqualified "progress." Seeing Chatham now, we've lost a way of life that centered around the seasons, the cranberry bogs, and the arrival and departure of fish species that fed both the economy and the lean stomachs of hard-working locals.

Luckily my sister got Cynthia to write down our lineage as she had almost mythical recall of family relations (and their peculiarities). These are things I wish I had known as a young man growing up there, but as I age, I can appreciate all the more. I guess better late than never.

Keep the memories flowing of what made Chatham so special. One of the gentlemen who posts here shared a post card with me this summer of my great-grand parents homestead across from Shop Ahoy. It showed open fields, dirt roads at the junction of 28 and Barn Hill, and a way of life that I wish we could get back to in its simplicity.
Jim
USA - Wed 02/19/2025 - 06:21:53

I am happy to learn that my classmate Cynthia was treated with dignity. She was an intelligent, caring person. The few of us remaining classmates (Nancy Nickerson Tansey and Ross Gould and Eddie Johnson ? ) will keep her in our thoughts.
There may be other remaining classmates but I don't have any contact with them. There were 14 girls and seven boys in our class.
Who knew?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2025 - 17:52:42

Good news story: I forgot to mention - just got back from burying a family member and the experience with the Town folks was outstanding! Quinn was helpful, patient, and worked with us to ensure we could effectuate the expressed intentions of the decedent.

The records were a bit wonky and he went above and beyond in checking data, the site, and the regulations to ensure we could carry out the intentions of our loved one.

Everyone involved was incredibly helpful: John F., Lorenzo and staff at the Funeral home, the staff at the Victorian, etc.

Well done Chatham!! Much appreciated.
Jim
USA - Tue 02/18/2025 - 07:47:32

Someone the other day asked me about power outages in Chatham in the 40's and early fifties. I honestly don't remember any loss of electricity at our home on Old Harbor Road. I really think that this is because the trees had not grown tall enough to challenge the wires.
Now, the trees are much taller and prone to fall even across the road to harm the wires.

Standing by for the next hurricane that will indeed be one to remember.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2025 - 17:48:35

Just to add a little about Alton Kenny's boat yard., there was a steel clad building that was used for winter storage of wooden boats, with a dirt floor and no amenities. It was blown down in the area where the parking lot is now.
Secondly, Barry mentioned the trees that were down. Somehow, German POw's from Camp Edwards were brought in to muscle the trees in to smaller pieces. Probably with two man saws. I assume these were elm trees. Don't forget a lot of the Chatham men were away fighting the war. The POW's were probably happy to be unconfined, and have something to do. And not be shot at.
Thirdly, a victim of the storm was the Monomoy Coast Guard Station. (Not Monomoy Point Station) It was built in 1872, a Red House design of which there were nine built on the Cape. It was originally a Life Saving Station. It was blown down by the winds. I don't know what happened to the wood, but I imagine it was put to good use. It was a simple building, as there was no electricity or indoor plumbing. Reuse by early Chatham "recyclers" was a given.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2025 - 16:33:21

Thanks Barry. I will add something later today.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2025 - 08:50:58

Richard;I was only 4yrs old but I have a pretty good memory. I went with my father down to Mill Hill overlooking Bridge Street, because we couldn't go any further because the tide was flooding all across the road, we saw only the top hand rail of
the Mitchell river bridge and there was a 35 or 40 foot fishing boat half way up the lawn at the yellow house, "Cox's",I believe,it stayed there for about a week before anybody could remove it. Alton Kenny's boat work shop was pretty well destroyed and there was a lot of debris way up behind what is now the harbor masters office and behind Tony Murphy's folks house! It was a sorry site! Also one of the spires on the Universalist Church blew off and was stuck into the lawn like a ice cream cone, lots of tree's were down everywhere
Barry L. Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 21:01:56

2024 book, Historic storms of Cape Cod by Don Wilding has some info on the 44 storm. Some of you may know him.

There was an article in the Chronicle about it.

https://capecodchronicle.com/articles/609/view
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 20:04:18

Jim, You have my offer of support in any way you need. West Chatham people stick together!
Wayne Gould <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 16:39:36

I hope my older siblings and members of the Fulcher family will add to the conversation about the '44 Hurricane.
I will get on it in a day or so.
Jim, I support your feelings of anger and grief.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 16:28:37

We are about due for another hurricane.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 16:25:41

Ditto Jim. Using a Chatham bomb making killer as a user name is way out of bounds.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 15:07:07

Richard, please do.

To the poster using Andreas Miller as a user name: (I'll say this as politely as I can)....please stop. Andreas is a drug-dealing, bomb-making killer responsible for the death of two people this last year, one of them my brother.

I find this in poor taste, and an attempt at inflicting as much emotional trauma as you can upon a family still grieving. I'll kindly ask you to stop. I will assume you didn't know this in your attempt at being cute.

If I find otherwise, I will be back there in a little over a month and you can rest assured, you and I will address this via alternative methods.
Jim
USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 13:23:05

Can we talk about the effects of the 1944 hurricane on Chatham?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 13:14:01

John- This is getting pathetic. Andreas is another fake name. I am not Sandy as you can tell. This room has turned into the Babylon Bee and the Onion. It's pretty unfortunate. It used to be a place for intelligent discourse and sharing of facts important to Chatham.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 11:23:19

Sandy, er I mean, Elaine, give it a rest. What could possibly be said about your family?

Even more strident with a pseudonym apparently

Go take a walk in the slush
Andreas Miller <crossstreet@comcast.net>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 11:01:36

Richard - you were sharing medical information about people (departed or not) that they or their families may not appreciate. I would have a serious issue if you had said something about my family similar to that. That was the point I was trying to make.
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 10:25:27

Don and I are good friends. I never referred to him as departed.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 09:03:08

First, it appears that the HCoop double posting bug affected my last post as I was not on iPad at 1am!

Second, to Sandy: The first post that I found from you on quick search was from a few days ago. I don't know who you are, but I have known Richard for many years. So yes, given a well known person vs an unknown one, I will give him a bit more latitude here. But I did warn him about his political posts.
As to Don St Pierre, he was specifically mentioned as being alive by Richard in his first comment so why would anyone think otherwise? And his comments are not gossip in my opinion.
Also, there's no possibility of legal action for the comments he made.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 01:35:41

Sandy: A couple of your comments to Richard are within the range of personal attacks which are not allowed here. You don't get to criticize long term users of this site at this time, especially as you haven't yet given sufficient clues to your identity that I can see.
Richard and Bill P: I was trying to focus the discussion away from ANY national level politics so some of your comments weren't helpful in that.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sun 02/16/2025 - 01:01:10

I challenge anyone to google Chatham events for 2025 and see what you get. Too early you say, it's never too early.
Alan
USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 21:52:00

When I was much younger and taking my kids to the Cape/Chatham, the affordability was such that we could just about handle the cost of a 1 week stay. Chatham has a golden nugget set of natural resources, which we indeed enjoyed, but always felt there could have been more for kids and Srs. Yes the parade, baseball, Friday night band at Gould and theater are summer main highlights and to a lesser extent the bike trials, but if you miss these key dates, I alway felt these programs could have been expanded for family enjoyment.

As an example, what happens when it rains, everyone files into Main Street you have a mess with everyone going their own way. What might happen if the township sponsored lunch for a buck at noon at Gould during these days.

Another example on a given day, might be the town a gifts from proprietors with their individual program painted on ping pong balls and shot of a cannon from the fire station onto the baseball field to be had by visitors.

Still yet, in Harwich, during 2022 the police/fire department put on a free picnic which as far as I could see, turned out spectacular. Latter, the same held true. for a town beach picnic during 2023.

People come with their bikes and while residents have their home tools to practically fix a situation, visitors on limited budgets ,do not have this option. How about having a midweek bike mechanic on the trail, on a subsidized basis to assist and not just a air station

I never thought I would be suggesting this, but what about a practically priced bingo tournament or a one hole mini putting tournament with some nice donations.
.
I just tossed out some ideas, some that I saw worked, but Chatham is such a beautiful place.
Adding parking spaces, handing out parking tickets or providing charging stations , that's not promoting tourism or building a fun legacy for Chatham. Even having 10 functional bikes for rent on
Alan
USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 21:47:30

Mr. Halgren - along the lines of personal attacks? Mr. Ryder has gossiped about folks that are still alive without having facts and posting on social media. That can get him in trouble legally, which it should, and you as the moderator should tell him that. I knew the deceased folks he's referring to as well as Mr. St. Pierre who is very much alive and may not appreciate his comments. He continues to talk or reference politics as you have warned all of us multiple times. I feel there may be a double standard here but I hope not. Thank you for your input.
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 20:48:14

When I comment on this chat I leave my Email so you know who I am.Are you married to know who you are.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 20:23:54

Married should be Affaid.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 20:22:33

When I comment on this chat I leave my Email so you know who I am.Are you married to know who you are.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 20:14:25

I think Don St Pierre may be surprised to learn of his demise, Richard!
Don
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 20:08:42

I'm a little confused here. Richard - didn't you complain to John about folks talking politics and specifically call JimP out? Was this all about your hurt feelings about RFK Jr. and not the folks you mentioned? Grow up. Your comments are still out of line. BillP - thank you!
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 19:46:56

Richard, the Kennedy appointment was known before the election and Trump still won. Also Kennedy is not against vaccines. Stop reading the fraudulent press and TV reports, which we now know was paid government propaganda.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 19:36:50

Richard- you mentioned someone yesterday that is still with us. The others have families that may not appreciate your rambling. I would not appreciate it if I were in those families and read your comments. Please be respectful of others.
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 19:11:24

I was referring to the recent appointment of a Vaccination denier as the new head of a major public health entity funded by the people of this country. Wake up!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 19:07:05

I was mentioning Chatham people who are long departed.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 18:57:59

Richard - Not sure what you are talking about. We ARE moving forward as a country.

On another note, I'm not sure the folks you mentioned would appreciate you speaking about them and their illnesses. Better watch it. It's not your first time.
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 18:08:24

Maybe Anna Olson and Grace Allison were afflicted with Polio as well. Anna was in brother John Ryder's class
Grace was in my Class of 1957. My wife, a retired nurse, remembers as a student nurse dealing with patients in a Boston hospital who were confined to iron lungs.

We need, as a country, to move forward, not backward.

I think I might have been exposed to the Polio virus at the Oyster Pond , where I was supposedly taking swimming lessons. I rather took joy in finding quahogs in the mud with my feet.
Stuff happens. You deal.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2025 - 17:30:25

This has ChatRoom relevancy.
There are still two Polio / Infantile Paralysis Survivors on the Outer Cape that I know of: Myself and Don St.Pierre. Don grew up in Harwich, I in Chatham.
The Greater Boston Post Polio Survivors group disbanded several years ago due to diminishing numbers. What would have happened to some of you or your family if Polio Vaccine was not developed and administered to your children or grandchildren?
You have no idea.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 17:43:46

John, understand completely, no worries at all.

Just good to see some of the folks finally getting interested in where our tax dollars may be going. Better late to the party than never.
Jim
USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 17:23:27

Sue - in all honesty, this info is online. I do NOT agree with the contract our Town Manager gave to Mr. Howard for TEN years. It is ridiculous. I was also told at the time she was supposed to have the Select Board sign off on it - and that was not done. Many of us can agree to that. He has quite the monopoly there.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 17:07:31

Just to be clear, I am not on any Trump or DOGE train. I don't trust their engineers.
And, don't get your hopes up that I ever would be just because I am asking questions about who is benefiting from the Chatham Airport .
The only train I am planning to ride soon is the Amtrak Auto Train to Florida.
Anyone here ever do that?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 16:53:38

Jim: I just had a phone call from a long time user of this forum who feels that your recent post had too much national political references/content, and I tend to agree. The first paragraph was fine.
I need to keep that type stuff out of here so neither side gets offended, ok? Consider this a neutral zone.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 16:47:15

Judy, Mr. Ryder's question was whether anyone knew the revenue/expenditures for CQX. Do you know what they are?
SueS
USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 16:33:53

Yes, Sue, I am a huge fan of the airport. If you had any history here, you'd also know that many regular posters of the Chatroom have also taken/take flying lessons there. In addition, my family owns land near it and we all love it. You and your friends are barking up the wrong tree here. There are a lot of regulars on this Chatroom that enjoy the airport. Take your concerns to someone who cares.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 15:11:35

now you guys are getting silly. No one is calling for "C130 combat landings." Hyperbole much?

Although it IS good to see you guys onboard the Trump-train and DOGE!! Let's cut wasteful government spending!! Richard and Sue take the lead in Chatham!!

Pro Tip: Look at the illegals running rampant in Mass....THAT'S where the $$ is. Go get 'em tigers!!
Jim
USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 14:05:42

Good question, Richard. As BillP is such a big proponent of the airport and has advocated for the tripling of training flights and called for C130 combat landings at CQX- maybe he can assist with the revenue/expenditure question on the airport? JudyP also claimed to be a big fan of the airport..
SueS
USA - Fri 02/14/2025 - 07:46:40

Since no one responded with information about the Airport finances, I encourage those who are interested to go to the Airport Master Plan, Update, Chapter 9, Tables 9-2 for 2019 which shows that CQX is home to 4 businesses. Supposedly, there are 156 people employed by these businesses, with a payroll of $4.77 million .I encourage anyone to do the math yourselves . The actual revenue is less than $60,000 a year in the recent past.
Figures lie, and liars figure.
Just what is the revenue vs expense ratio for the Chatham Airport?
Not an FAA projection.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2025 - 17:36:25

Just read the Chronicle, does anyone know who is running against Schell for Selectman?
Elaine ? Jared? Anyone?
AK
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2025 - 14:22:44

Ok folks..here's my comment on today's posts:
Sandy - i watch this multiple times most every day so am aware of the discussion. It's a free form forum and while much of the airport stuff relates more to Hyannis, that's still within my limits because it's mid Cape area and had references to Chatham. I have not discouraged it because it's beneficial to have activity here instead of no posts for days.
Bill P - I just looked at your recent posts and find NOTHING close to what Dan accused you of!
Dan - You're the one who's making inaccurate claims as I was unable to find anything like you stated.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Thu 02/13/2025 - 10:28:30

Folks, I don't believe this is a discussion when a "select" group takes over the room with topics about an airport in Hyannis and proceeds to insult the regulars. Please stop this. It is ruining this experience for a few of us. Bill P - we enjoy your posts. Please keep them up. Dan should be reported to the moderator.
Sandy
USA - Thu 02/13/2025 - 09:38:53

Dan, you are a bold face liar. Please quote your accusations.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2025 - 08:29:36

Bill, I know we all are advancing in age, but you seem to be forgetting your role in this discussion. You called people names, you had inflammatory eesponses and you made so many assumptions- which you have been doing alot lately. If you don't want a fight, don't pick one.
Dan
USA - Thu 02/13/2025 - 07:58:48

Jen, had you just posted that, made your plea 1 time to visit the site and help support us, things would have gone better for you here. IMO.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 20:19:01

Hi JD,

The group is called Save Our Cape. Website is SaveOurCape.org. The focus is to raise awareness about the JetBlue and American/Republic sponsored flight training taking place all over the Cape. Photos are updated daily on the Twitter/X account: https://x.com/SaveOurCape
Jen
USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 18:20:16

I walked in West Chatham this morning and was surprised to see the sidewalks such a mess. Wasn't the transfer station closed on Sunday to address this? Lots of folks here use the sidewalks regularly to get to work. I thought West Chatham was a "quaint little walking village'. Someone will have an accident if this isn't tended to.
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 10:14:11

Bravo, Jim P.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 09:29:11

Jim/BllP
My comment was directed towards Jane's post, where Jane spoke the word "HELP". I will always remember the short story of a piece of cake dropped on the floor by a first greater in the cafe and the reaction of other students standing nearby. And the 3 possible reactions:
1. Oh, I see yo dropped your cake, may I help you pick it up
2. another student, laughing, you fool, you dropped your cake on the floor
3. Still yet another student, sees the cake on the floor and just walks
right on by, saying nothing or offering no assistance

Jim, I knew a long time ago from which lens you see Life
Bill P. YOURS TOO, also well noted and thanks for that comeback of understanding
Alan
USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 06:56:52

I disagree with folks not wanting to help each other. We can rant and rave, throw rocks at each other, and impugn each other's family lineage but in this small town everyone comes together to help everyone else. It's just been the "way" for generations. One of the things I love about this community is that we pull together to help each other out.

I don't care what your politics are, whether or not you like airplanes, or windmills off the coast, or the Nimitz docking at the fish pier, if you need help and I can assist, I'm in. I think most people feel this way. We're still a small town, with small town squabbles. I hope we can keep it such.
Jim
USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 06:08:47

Question for "John" about your post on 02/11/25 at 17:53:12 where you wrote... "That is not the case with this group." What is the group that you refer to?
J D Cauble
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2025 - 05:52:00

I'll take it back and take your word it's not. That first sentence is why I thought that, tying it to the thread of conversation that has been on going. I still don't get it though, how Elaine better be careful.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 22:35:23

BILL P
How you came to that conclusion is beyond me. My comment was entirely focused towards compassion.
Alan
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 21:26:26

Elaine
be careful about all those you are speaking of. one never knows when it might be the case you need help. And you don't where it will come from.
s
Some of our classmates have passed and others are reaching points in their lives which are non recoverable. just in the past couple of days some have spoken about life long neighbors who have passed in Chatham

While having a fracture femer is not the same as undergoing cancer treatment these turbo charged events, cause folks come to think, never happen to me. Oh and I do not need anyones help nor will I want it. The latter sounds a bit like you.

You and Judy are very strong willed and always moving forward. Not everyone has this capacity
Alan
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 21:18:53

Alan you make no sense with that post. Was it a threat?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 20:27:38

There she goes again!
Dan
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 19:52:40

I find it oddly amusing that "John", "Jane", "Jason", "SueS" and "Jen" have SO much to say- ad nauseum- but are unwilling to actually identify themselves. Beating a dead horse is a curious plan to achieve an elusive and still yet unarticulated objective. But they have apparently found a new home here. Help for what "Jane"? I still don't know. FYI-Chatham Airport is not Hyannis.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 19:36:33

For years I have read the rantings of Elaine and Judy. You do not speak for all us. It is amazing how self centered people in this town can be. I just hope we never need anyone elses help.
Jane
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 18:24:11

If anyone has something else to talk about then, by all means. It is true that some people want to close the airports, but if you go to the website, that is not the case with this group. If the JetBlue and American training continues, the airport in Hyannis will be forced to close. Good to know Chatham will open their doors to Cape Air though.
John
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 17:53:12

This conversation began on January 31. It has now officially been going on for 11 full days. I think that may be a record. I still don't get the point of any of it, as it has virtually nothing to do with Chatham or our airport. If you want to kill readership of this site, you are succeeding.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 17:26:50

Flightradar.com is a cool site. Now I know why there are so many planes flying near or over us. Pilot training is essential. Men and women are not born knowing how to fly, or for that matter, how to row. I learned only one of those skills.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 17:17:17

Bill - it's a select group of folks that want to close the airport. Many are talking about them. Most of us that read the Chatroom were raised with the airport and have ZERO desire to see it go. They may want to consider going to another group instead of this one. I hope they continue to operate as well. They need to find a group with other like minded folks. They are wasting their time here.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 15:51:26

I hope they triple their flights!
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 15:48:35

Bill, Are you on the Board of Cape Air? I don't understand why you are so offended by people expressing an opinion, when you have so many.

Take a look at flightradar24.com. There are 4 training flights up right now.
KAPT58, KAPT56, KAPT 240 and KAPT978. Cape Air is flying circles all over the Cape.
Jason
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 15:36:40

Seriously, at what point is this considered spam,trolling. They have made their point over and over.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 15:22:04

KAPT40 - This Cape Air training flight has been up for over an hour. One of the worst training flights seen. All over Brewster, Yarmouth, Sandwich and Barnstable. At least seven or eight crosses of the runway. Unreal.

KAP818 - Not listed as a training flight with the 'T', but running up through Wellfleet, Orleans, Dennis, Harwich, Chatham, Eastham. I think Cape Air is getting clever.
John
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 11:09:19

Cool story Sue.

Now do illegal immigration; or, why is the Mass. Governor, Boston Mayor, et al fighting so hard to protect rapists and child molesters?

Maybe align priorities and clean up our fiscal house and somewhere down the list we can address fiscal streams into municipal airports?
Jim
USA - Tue 02/11/2025 - 08:02:16

If you are lost, then go back and read the last week plus of posts. If airports are not covering their costs with revenue, then it is coming out of our pockets. If it is costing us money, and only a select few are using it, then why do we have it?
SueS
USA - Mon 02/10/2025 - 20:38:08

Please remind us why we are supposed to be worried about their revenue...?

I'm kind of lost here. Is it because we don't like planes? They interrupt our cocktail hours? All of a sudden people in Town found a fiscal conscience?

I tend to worry about me and mine. I don't lose too much sleep over what airlines do.
Jim
USA - Mon 02/10/2025 - 17:43:29

I note supporters of the Chatham Airport have been silent about the revenue vs the expense of operating the facility. Maybe they think it is none of my business, but it is definitely a ChaTRoom subject.
Watching air planes operating out of Chatham was very cool at one point for a lot of us.
I have witnessed hundreds of airplanes landing and taking off from the USS Intrepid, in support of combat operations off the coast of Vietnam. Day and night. I have flown in and out of the airport in Saigon, as well as many other short strip fields in the Delta region of Vietnam on my second tour.
Prop planes and medevac helos are cool, for sure.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2025 - 17:25:49

Regarding the airport finances - According to the FY25 proposed operating budget for the Town of Barnstable, the airport was in the black in FY 23 with a revenue of 5.6million. In FY 24 there was a deficit of 226K and for FY 25 there is an expected deficit of 1.6 million. In terms of impact on the taxpayer, I do not have enough information to know for certain. What I can say is the traditional revenue stream for the airport comes in the form of 'charges for services' and that number has declined almost 4 million since FY23. FY25 funding sources also includes 2.5million received in 'intergovernmental aid'- which without it would put the FY25 deficit at 4.1million.

https://town.barnstable.ma.us/Departments/Finance/Budget_Information/25Budget/2025-Budget.pdf
Jen
USA - Mon 02/10/2025 - 12:47:39

Later on, the trap fishermen were using the grassy space on the side of the runway at Chatham Airport for drying twine. There is a Twine Field Road in Truro.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/09/2025 - 14:21:06

Twine field, that rings a bell.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/09/2025 - 10:59:46

Bill, by the sounds of it, that was Eldredge's twine field.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/09/2025 - 07:40:54

Rest in Peace Jeff Bremner- many years at the "dump" and mechanic at Meservey's

Rest in Peace Cynthia Harding- I remember Cynthia most from when she and her Mom worked at the drug store lunch counter in the brick building- both the sweetest people.
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/09/2025 - 07:30:22

Richard, there was a field in South Chatham that I thought was an old airfield at one point. I used to ride mini bikes there as a kid. I would go down the RR tracks and cut over to it. It was kind of hidden.

Any knowledge about that field and if it was an airfield?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2025 - 21:15:20

had Skymeadow field, and Eastham had a no name field. Chatham Airport was built with funds from a Chatham person, Ms. Shattuck.( Remember Shattuck Place?)
Wilfred Berube was more than willing to help her establish the airport.
Question: Does the airport create a revenue stream for the Town, or does it cost taxpayers $$ to operate it?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2025 - 17:26:33

Isn't it interesting that Orlans ha
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2025 - 17:18:59

For information related to the flight training on Cape Cod please visit: www.SaveOurCape.org

The petition is available through the same site. The petition can be signed anonymously. The whole purpose of this is to raise awareness, so everyone can come to their own conclusion. Two points I would like to highlight:

- Since 2017 Cape Air's flight training has increased by an estimated 500%
- Since 2017 Cape Cod Gateway's airport has seen an 85% drop in passengers from 200K in 2017 to 30K in 2023.

Question: Is flying a thing of the past or can people not find a flight because Cape Air is too busy training Jet Blue and American pilots?
Jen
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 19:05:42

Okay, so no need for a runway for aid flights. Regarding your other points, the Hyannis airport is a town airport, and Cape Air is a tenant. The people absolutely have a right to decide if they want to do business with a tenant who has stopped fulfilling the demand for passenger flights. You just said you loved freedom - do you think people should have a right to protest or petition against a company when that company has not fulfilled their promise? Or sound the alarm when people have been misled? The sound of freedom is not only in bombs and gunfire.
Dan
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 18:45:57

I love to watch planes landing and taking off. I've seen well over 1000 AF jets take off and land during my AF service and never tire of it.

There is even a YouTube channel that watches landing and take offs at LAX.

I hope these planes come down to Chatham and do touch and go's. Sounds like a nice time to watch. I vote for some C130's to do touch and go's at Chatham. Maybe some combat landing training.

I bet these Pilots are also training for the location, not just general training on a new plane. I want my pilot to know the airport they land and take off in.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 18:44:57

Dan, true, but methinks you miss the point. I really don't care if the runway is active or not and I am sitting four hundred yards south west of it. Some folks simply have issues with business or things they don't control. So, is the problem with the business and things they don't control, or them?

I don't see where entities doing what they are legally authorized to do, in a safe and lawful manner, get people's panties in such a twist.

If we worried about revenue and businesses, maybe we should stop political funding of NPR, Politico, Planned Parenthood...?? (watch people come unglued over this topic...).
Jim
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 18:27:01

It sounds like a C-130 could land or take-off pretty much anywhere. Not sure we need a runway for that. Just sayin.
Dan
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 18:02:07

Ya'll would go nuts listening to the machine gun fire and grenade range from Camp Bulls when we are sitting on our back porch in San Antonio. I sleep like a baby during night fire.

It's beautiful....the sound of FREEDOM.
Jim
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 17:50:20

Hi Richard - she often mentioned you were in her class. Her passing was so sudden we were not able to get the obit in for their Monday noon deadline. The calling hours are at Nickerson's in Chatham and I've been told the obit is on their website.
In ref to the airport, my other brother and I saw a C130 take off and land a few years ago with some other Chatham folks at the Chatham Airport.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 17:43:53

Richard, I've flown in some tight corkscrew descents into combat zones on them. They can do amazing things. I swear I saw one take off in a couple hundred yards off a dirt improvised strip in the desert. they are amazing aircraft.

This runway and clearance would be no problem.
Jim
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 17:40:47

Jim, I have flown on C-130's. Are you sure they could use Chatham Airport for landings and successful takeoffs ? In a scenario that you have conjured up?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 17:00:26

Judy P:
Your aunt was a classmate of mine. Where are the visiting hours being held? I watch the Obituaries daily.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 16:52:38

Just because you may disagree with someone does not mean that they have hijacked this chatroom. By that logic,you have held me captive for years. As Jen pointed out Tradewind Aviation is already in Chatham and linked with Lift Academy. The problem is here. If you read through the posts you would see that this is about flight training beyond the 3-mile radius of the airport and mostly in the lower and outer cape. If you check flighradar now both KAPT787 and KAPT240 have been out running circles around the outer cape again. While the training is not in Chatham 100% of the time, we are all on this sandbar together and it might be a glimpse into our future in the near term.
SueS
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 15:38:01

Amy, I agree with you. Enough about Jet Blue and American. When they start to fly into Chatham we can have a discussion. I do believe this is another attempt by folks to highjack the Chatroom (again) and try to talk about being anti-airport. Many of us love the airport and are happy it's here. It's not our fault people bought properties by the airport and complain about the noise. You didn't do your due diligence.

Back to Chatham - - many of you lurkers were aware of my aunt (My Mom's sister). She passed away last Saturday. There wasn't time to get the info into the Chronicle. Visiting hours are Mon 2-4 in Chatham should you wish to attend.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 13:11:20

This is not about whether large commercial pilots should be trained it is about whether they should be trained on Cape Cod. Jet Blue and American are not based in Ma. There are plenty of other Part 135 carriers in Indiana and Florida and elsewhere that Jet Blue and American could affiliate with to train their pilots. Areas that do not already have groundwater contamination and poor air quality and a fragile ecosystem. Why Cape Cod?
SueS
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 11:54:45

I fly jet blue and American among others. I repeat, I want my pilots trained.
I do not understand why a few people are making this an "issue." Or is this just anti airport with a new line of attack?
Amy
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 11:23:08

These are not your pilots. They are students on a stipend of about $17/hour. Once they are trained, they go back to Jet Blue and American.

Batch 2 (KAPT787 & KAPT240)- Jet Blue and American Airlines pilots are up again. What's interesting is the training flights (according to one tracker) are now showing a flight plan of departing Hyannis and arriving in either Provincetown or Martha's Vineyard, but neither is following it. Both training flights are circling all around Provincetown, Truro, Wellfleet and parts of Eastham.
John
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 11:18:23

Personally, I prefer my pilots to be trained.
Amy
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 11:15:58

KAPT240- Jet Blue and American pilots are up training again. If you are tracking the flights you will see the ICAO for Cape Air is 'KAP'. If the callsign starts with KAPT then that is a training flight. The 'T' for training.

Cape Air managed to sustain their passenger operations on Cape Cod for thirty plus years without training Jet Blue and American Airlines pilots. If they can no longer survive on passenger operations alone then either they did not scale their business properly or there is no longer a need for the service they provide. In either case concerning ourselves with the financial wellbeing or carrying a loyalty for one company who has prioritized money over service, is not our burden to carry. Cape Air can be replaced or the airports can close. Quite frankly, if the training stops then I think many of the issues and concerns surrounding the airports will stop.
SueS
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 08:32:21

@BillP - The Chronicle still has the Remember When section in the e-Edition of the paper and that can be seen from the website. Look at the very top of the screen for E-EDITION.

Their menu item for "REMEMBER WHEN" below the banner seems to have stopped being updated in May.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 08:02:55

Well, sitting here - again - about 400 yards south-east of the runway watching the sun come up. Haven't heard a plane in the last 24 hours. Are these planes in the room with us now..??

Has anyone given any thought that the training mission may bring in much needed revenue to off-set operating costs of the low volume the carriers experience throughout the year? That if you force a closure of this, you may get your wish of having no airports due to prohibitively expensive operating costs and limited revenue. Just thinking out loud....

As a previous poster stated: "Be careful what you wish for." Chatham is strategically located to support humanitarian assistance/Disaster operations via the ability to land C-130's and (I am betting) C-17's. It has a pretty decent MOG (Max on-ground) capability as well. It is also in close proximity to decent port facilities, or or trans-shipment via rotary wing to the interior. The Cape/Nantucket/Martha's Vineyard all benefit.
Jim
USA - Fri 02/07/2025 - 06:26:46

Sorry John, Having known you for a long time was just concerned as you had not made a stand. I have been around since day one and I think these people are jerks, and have have hijacked our website. I have had some Chatham stuff that I wanted to put up but felt I could not.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 20:51:45

Wayne: I am actively watching these discussions and don't find them stupid, nor out of bounds because it involves topics relevant to Chatham and the surrounding area. And the signatures used, even if not necessarily accurate, aren't monikers either. People have been reasonably tolerant of other's views.
Plus it's causing activity which I prefer to it being quiet.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 20:27:23

Cape Air should not be training Jet Blue and American pilots on Cape Cod or over Chatham. A promise of an electric plane is nothing more than a marketing strategy. If people don't want the airports to close or move to JBCC, this might be a good compromise.
https://www.change.org/stopflighttraining
SueS
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 19:57:15

I believe situation for new aircraft was a letter of intent with the Brizilians.
On a maiden flt of the P2012, there may have been a problem with the Italians. Based on the information released, my guess Capeair still may have not made.a final decision, but I
Am not on their board,
Alan
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 19:08:50

I believe situation for new aircraft was a letter of intent with the Brizilians
on a maiden flt of the P2012, there may have been a problem with the Italians P2012. Based on the information released, my guess Capeair still may have not made.a final decision, but I
Am not on their board,
Alan
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 19:05:07

I think an order was placed in 2022 with Eviation Alice. Just checked and doesn't look like there has been any progress with their prototype. Here is an article:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/futureflight/2024-10-14/eviation-quietly-prepares-build-updated-alice-prototype

The new planes are the Tecnam's and very similar to the 402.
Jen
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 17:41:13

Well I have to say I am getting worried about our our esteemed moderator John. As with many of us he is not getting any younger and he is not doing anything about all this stupidly!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 17:35:51

I thought that Cape Air was ordering some battery operated planes.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 17:25:49

New planes are not electric and they carry the same number of passengers as the 402s.
Jen
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 17:18:17

Are the new CapeAir planes electric?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 17:06:23

For anyone interested, a petition has been created calling for the stop of all Jet Blue and American Airlines sponsored flight training on Cape Cod.

https://www.change.org/stopflighttraining
Jen
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 16:41:41

Sue
I have no idea where u are are getting your info Capeair may not be the best airline in the USA, but the fact is they currently buying new aircraft to replace Cessna 402's. They are doing so because they hope to take advantage of the bos cape cod summer market?. An aircraft with a greater-passenger capacity , less fuel per passenger per seat translating to a lesser ticket price
And guess what, fewer aircraft in the air, less landings and less burden on ATC
Alan
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 15:49:44

Sue
I have no idea where u are are getting. Capeair may not be the best airline in the us, but the fact is they currently buying new aircraft to replace Cessna 402's. They are doing so because they hope to take advantage of the bos cape cod summer market?. An aircraft with a greater-passenger capacity , less fuel per passenger per seat translating to a lesser ticket price
And guess what, fewer aircraft in the, less landings and less burden on ATC
Alan
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 15:46:03

I doubt there would be enough hangar space for both carriers at Gateway. Anyone know how much Cape Air pays to be in Hyannis? As of Oct2024 they were only paying $3555 in P'town. You can't even rent a house for that here.

https://provincetownindependent.org/featured/2024/10/16/ptown-penalizes-cape-air-for-breaking-its-lease/
SarahT
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 15:02:48

Does anyone know why the online Chronicle stopped the "remember when" postings.

There have been no new ones in a long time. Are they still in the print version?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 14:14:35

Keep it up, John!

Cape Air only existed to transport passengers, and they aren't doing it anymore. If we can't close the airports, we can certainly replace Cape Air. Southern Airways was here in '22 and '23 to get people to the islands because Cape Air was too busy training. It might be an option.

https://flyhya.com/southern-airways-express-and-jet-blue-returning-to-cape-cod-gateway-airport-hya/
SueS
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 14:05:30

Let's get back on track.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham MA 02633, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 13:12:28

Your standard between right and wrong is whether someone is breaking the law? If Cape Cod is turning into Daytona Beach I think we all have a right to know. For that reason alone, it is relevant to Chatham. If you don't want to read it, then scroll by it. What do you three have to lose if the airports go away?
Roger
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 13:12:02

I'm with you Jim!!
Tony Murphy
W Chatham , MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 13:01:01

done about what...?? The lawful utilization of the airways by authorized entities?

I don't understand what we're supposed to be all twisted-up about. You guys angry that these flying-machines are above you?

Who hurt you Boo?
Jim
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 12:36:31

Please stop. We don't need a running account of Air traffic. It's not even Chatham related.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 11:37:51

Batch 3-

KAPT978- Up for a third time this morning over Harwich, Brewster and Dennis.

KAPT240- Touch and goes in Provincetown and all over the mid Cape namely New Seabury and West Barnstable.
John
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 08:55:36

Pleae do not stop sharing John. This is helpful . Not sure what can be done about it, but it is good to know what is going on.
Janet Alston
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 08:05:52

Batch 2-

KAPT978 is up for a second time this morning. Flying 600' over Yarmouth Port and not on an approach.
John
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 07:50:38

I'm a bit confused, are we supposed to be hating on air traffic now? As I sit here in my lawn chair watching the sun come up the airport is about four hundred yards to my west. Nothing but quiet. Didn't have a problem last summer either. kind of enjoyed listening to the airplanes coming and going.

What's the latest outrage du jour.....what am I missing?
Jim
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 07:35:10

Good morning, Cape Cod

Batch 1 - Cape Air is up training American and Jet Blue pilots again.

KAPT978- Took off around 0640 headed directly towards E. Harwich and Orleans.

If you want to follow along check out flightradar24.com
John
USA - Thu 02/06/2025 - 06:52:57

Here is one of many articles. Cape Air has certainly forgotten who made them.

https://provincetownindependent.org/featured/2024/09/11/cape-air-drops-6-months-of-ptown-flights/
SueS
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 15:48:37

John - KAPT 747 is doing touch and goes in Provincetown. Why is Cape Air practicing in Provincetown when they cancelled year-round service because it wasn't making them enough money?
SueS
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 15:43:24

Batch 4 - Cape Air is still at it

KAPT747 - Mostly Bay flying making landfall at Wellfleet and Truro again.
John
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 15:19:12

Batch 3 -Cape Air is training Jet Blue and American pilots again.

KAPT978 - just took off and is over Harwich now.

If anyone wants to watch live, just go to flightradar24.com. There you will find the callsign, tail number, altitude, ground speed.
John
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 14:09:54

Amazing John
Are you actually an ATC controller out of Hyannis? Do you have your own private radar screen that's picking up transponder information where your able to call out specific altitudes and routes? Last I heard, it's a rather standard practice to do touch and goes during a training mission. Nothing safer than under ATC control. Seems to me that when a company upgrades their fleet, this is a positive thing.
Alan
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 12:04:53

Thanks for sharing this John. I had no idea how bad this was.
Judith
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 09:52:22

Batch 2 - Cape Air has three training flights up now.

KAPT978 - Tecnam P212 is up again and flying over Wellfleet and Eastham and is now under 600 feet over Yarmouth and does not appear to be on a final approach to the runway 15/33. This could be an FAA violation. Plane did a touch and go and has reversed course over Hyannis Port and is circling back for another 'operation' over the runway 15/33.
KAPT747 - Cessna 402 up through Yarmouth Port and just made landfall in Wellfleet & Truro.
KAPT40 - Cessna 402 - just took off up and over Sandwich and is on a direct line to Brewster's breakwater beach and Harwich's pleasant lake.
John
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 09:47:46

Batch 1- Cape Air is up training Jet Blue and American Pilots again this morning.

KAPT978- Is up and flying one of their new Tecnam 2012's. This training flight is flying in circles over the bay, before kissing Wellfleet at sunrise reversing course to come ashore in Sandwich down through Marstons Mills and out again over Cotuit. Fun fact Cape Air ordered over 70 of these Tecnam's to replace the Cessna 402. Tecnam is an Italian company and this is the first commercial aircraft they have ever made. Cape Air is their first customer.

So now we have trainees tr
John
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 08:06:05

John/Barnstable
First,I have a residence on the Cape, pay taxes to the community, and pay close attention to Chatham, as High School Students come into township.

Second, I never have an ego where I feel I have to brag about myself and yes I have experience as a student pilot where you think pilots are deliberately running around your home at 1000 ft, the spoiling your outdoor activities. This concept is ridiculous

Third to suggest that flight schools should add to your portfolio list I why airport runways should be shut down. These flight schools are providing young people their first step to a rewarding career. I would ask, why don't you stop
Alan
USA - Wed 02/05/2025 - 06:28:15

Agreed, Richard.

Batch three- looks like Cape Air is training Jet Blue and American pilots this evening,

KAPT747 has hit up Dennis, Brewster and Harwich Port narrowly missing Chatham before cutting out to Monomoy at 2000 feet. They have crossed the runway three times and are still flying.
John
USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 18:15:20

Interesting comments going back and forth re local airports.
Eastham once had an airfield, where North 40 and Runway Lane roads are now located.

Chatham only needs a heliport.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 17:22:38

Batch two- looks like Cape Air is training Jet Blue and American pilots again

KAPT747- has flown over Truro, Wellfleet, Eastham, Orleans, Brewster, Harwich and Dennis at 2,000ft or less.
John
USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 16:16:17

My wish is that both airports are closed permanently because only a select few use and as Kate said, 'abuse the privilege'. The majority of the usage is not for the public good and not worth the squeeze.
-25K passenger enplanements with Jet Blue per annum (12,500 departing/12,500 arriving)
-9K passenger enplanements with Cape Air per annum (some of these may include flights where Cape Air students are the passengers however)
-Total Operations: Last quote I saw was around 90K per annum. This is a particularly misleading number because each time an aircraft crosses the runway it counts as an operation. Each time a trainee crosses the runway it counts as an operation, resulting in as many as 6 operations in a one-hour flight

To be generous we are looking at 90K operations per year out of Hyannis. It sounds like alot, but not when compared to the estimated 80K cars crossing the Sagamore per day in the Summer. These airports exist for a select few, not because they fulfill a real need.

Appertaining to your concern about Chatham expanding as a result of either the closure or relocation of Jet Blue's airport. Despite what airport management, airport commissions, companies or what the BoS or Town Council's blindly reiterate, the FAA does not have as much authority as we are all led to believe. Everyone has a dog in this fight, and fear mongering should not discourage people from speaking up.
SueS
USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 14:49:53

Be careful what you wish for. If Barnstable airport closed you can be sure Chatham airport will expand. Why would anyone from or going to the mid or lower Cape want to go all the way to Otis?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 13:44:49

Might be of interest to this group...Barnstable approves feasibility study to move airport to JBCC.

https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2025/01/31/airport-joint-base-cape-cod-ma-study-gateway-logan-south/78088860007/

Reasons cited for not moving to JBCC: 1) Barnstable would have to pay the FAA 100 million and buy the 639 Acres outright; 2) There would be 1700 jobs lost; 3)JBCC would become "Logan South"

While I also would prefer to the see the airports close entirely, I do not agree with the reasons cited in the article for not moving the Jet Blue airport to JBCC:
1) When other local airports close, often times part of the negotiation with the FAA includes payment following the sale of the airport land
2) Moving the airport to JBCC would be doing the FEDs a favor - and could potentially reduce money owed to FAA. (this is standard practice in the USG)
3) The loss of 1700 jobs is misleading. There are only 24 employees at the airport. The 1700 jobs refers to pilots, ground crew and tenants at the airport - all of whom would be moved to JBCC. Many of these tenants do not even live on Cape or consider the Cape their home station.
4)We do not want to be Logan South - if that is true, then why did the current airport manager (Katie Servis) sneak through an airport master plan (during a pandemic) that includes taking more and more money from the FAA and includes the lengthening of runway 15/33.

Oh...and Katie Servis is retiring in May and doesn't even live on the Cape. Everything out of her mouth should be fact checked because her response to everything is 'well the FAA said'... Maybe if the county had the truth about the airports and how they are actually used, people would feel differently about whether they really 'need' it.
SueS
USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 12:58:47

Looks like Cape Air is up training Jet Blue and American Airline pilots again,

KAPT978 just hit up Truro, Wellfleet, Eastham, Orleans, Chatham
KAPT40 just hit up Brewster, Dennis and Yarmouth Port
John
USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 10:53:55

Alan, With all due respect you do not live on Cape Cod. You live in New Jersey. I know you are using this topic as another opportunity to talk about yourself, but please stop. This is a very important topic to many and though you would not know (because you don't live here), but planes fly at 1000ft or below every day and it is disruptive and it can feel harassing; especially when we also have the luxury of listening to leaf blowers and generators. I also think we should close the airports. We can be dismissed for saying it, but I have yet to hear anyone provide a legitimate explanation as to why either is for the greater good. 'Flying is fun' does not justify the safety concerns, the money or the environmental inpact.
John
Barnstable County, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2025 - 07:45:48

Kate/TimS
All this "Stuff" about pilots and back door approach to closing down airports is total nonsense. I remember back nearly 50 years ago obtaining my first general aviation ticket (single engine land) and my training, it was rare that I would fly less than 1000ft agl (above ground level)

On any take off, i was routinely looking for a place to set down in case of engine failure (As all pilots are taught) and while practicing I used to fly at levels of 3000 ft. Why. In case there was ever an emergency, I would have some time to evaluate and chance to set down

I find it hard to imagine that at 3000 ft I would be disrupting your daily life style and even if this were the case, I would be there one moment and gone the next

May I suggest that if you wish to sink your teeth into something of by far greater importance, you look at that Plymouth nuclear power plant ,the Kleen water situation on Cape/ Chatham.or local gov't

You should try flying one day, I bet would like it. And all that science you obtain from books including your CFR's you have a chance to put it all together and make better analytical judgements, as one uses the physics for practical situations
Alan
USAl - Mon 02/03/2025 - 20:44:39

On a related topic...If you have the tail # (or N #) of a plane and want to know who the owner is, you can go to:

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberInquiry

As Jen mentioned the tail number can be obtained from flightradar24 or flightaware. Many owners are LLCs. The principal agent of the LLC can be found using the opencorporates or bizopedia websites. If you wish to file a complaint with the FAA about the company, plane or pilot you can call the FAA's District Office in Boston at: (781) 238-7500 or visit:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/bos

As a general rule, planes must stay 1000 feet or above in congested areas, unless on take-off or landing. The CFR covers this as well as noise, circling, approaches and so on.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-91/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFRe4c59b5f5506932/section-91.119

The unfortunate reality is that pilots have an easement over our homes and there is little you can do about that one person who feels their 'right to fly' trumps your right to the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The good news is that both the airports are owned by us, and if the companies and pilots operating from these airports want to abuse their privilege, then we can always close both airports...and maybe that is exactly what we should do.
Kate
MA USA - Mon 02/03/2025 - 18:02:13

No kidding. Why is Cape Air spending more time training Jet Blue pilots over the Cape than transporting passengers? Ahh - because transporting you and me is not as lucrative. Didn't Cape Air just cancel year round service between Boston and Provincetown? I wonder what service they will drop next.
TimS
MA USA - Mon 02/03/2025 - 13:23:30

Jen
I have a friend who indeed was hired by Cape Air, within the last past year and all flight training came out of `indy. I think he was in the `lift' program, but not 100% sure, so `I have to ask. What `I am 100% sure of, was that actual flt training was out of `indy.
Alan
USA - Sat 02/01/2025 - 21:15:54

I think Jens question has been answered. None of this is widely known. The recruitment materials are vague. This youtube shows Lift graduates training out of Hyannis. I check flightradar24 and there is a ridiculous amount of Cape Air training happening here. What has me realy concerned is the naming of the airport after the Jet Blue Gateway training program. I think Cape Air has big plans and it does include passenger flights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfs1BOzJbdo
Jason
USA - Sat 02/01/2025 - 20:06:14

Hi Alan - Thanks for the response. Cape Air is a part 135 carrier and under that designation they have partnered with both Lift Academy (American Airlines/Republic) and the Gateway Program (Jet Blue & our airport's new namesake), to train future Part 121 pilots from Hyannis (not Indiana). As per Cape Air's website, the trainees must be enrolled in one of the 'pilot pathway' programs to be accepted into first officer flight training at Cape Air in Hyannis (not Indiana). At the time of acceptance into the Cape Air flight training program the trainees are given conditional offers of employment at either American/Republic or Jet Blue. Once the pilots have completed their flight training at Cape Air in Hyannis (not Indiana), they return to either American or Jet Blue as first officers. So, for clarification, the pilots training above the mid, lower and outer Cape are being trained for American Airlines or Jet Blue - not Cape Air. If anyone is curious what these non-passenger Cape Air training flights look like, you can view them live at flightradar24.com (Callsigns include: KAPT787, KAPT978, KAPT605, KAPT40). After a ten-day review, the average non-passenger flight training time above the Cape was about 7 hours per day. Putting this in perspective, Jet Blue transports approximately 25,000 passengers to/from the Cape during the summer- which would amount to about 50 hours of flight time over the Cape. By my estimation, 90% of the time anyone in the mid, lower, or outer Cape hears or sees a plane, it is likely a Cape Air non-passenger training flight - not a private plane from Chatham. And, as a heads up, Tradewind Aviation (who now offers charter flights from Chatham) is also partnered with Lift Academy.
Jen
USA - Sat 02/01/2025 - 09:43:23

Jen
I think there is more than one program happening at `Hyannis.
For example if you would like to become a 737 pilot, you could start out with the Cape air and leadership Training ACADEMY (LIFT). IN THIS PROGRAM, you head out to Indianapolis with the emphasis of working towards your instrument, commercial multi engine and 500 hour min. requirement where CAPE Air takes you under "their Wing" after successful completion you have a good chance of getting hired by Cape Air.

If you wish to head out to jet Blue, you can enroll in the Aviation Accrediation board International (AAIB) and if you are successful, the opportunity for Jet Blue can pick you up after your" sophomore" ,pre year year

Yes, can be charged with over simplification and yes there may be other programs, but this should get you started

looking forward in having you take me down to FTL

So long, have a good night, we"ll be leaving you
Alan
USA - Fri 01/31/2025 - 17:16:14

Looking for some insight here: Are you aware that Cape Air is training American Airlines and Jet Blue pilots out of Hyannis Gateway Airport? After a preliminary review, it seems that Cape Air averages about 7 hours of training flights per day over the mid, lower & outer Cape. Just curious if this was widely known. Thanks!
Jen
USA - Fri 01/31/2025 - 11:32:30

Hi Sam,I know him, we call him Rick and if you email me direct I will give you what I know.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/30/2025 - 16:51:46

Is there anyone here who can put me in touch with Rolf Abreau from West Chatham? I received a package for him and would like to get it to him. I've had this happen myself and know how frustrating it is. Yes, I'm a Chatham resident as well.
Sam Lambert
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/30/2025 - 13:37:10

Bill, 4.1 about 8 miles SE of York, Maine.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/27/2025 - 10:52:57

10:24 am Monday. Did we just have a mini earthquake? Did anyone's house shake for a few seconds?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/27/2025 - 10:26:26

Obviously the Pete H account is fake and is simply a loser. Dick, listen to Elaine. She knows the law. On a different tack, who knows what the highest settlement paid out by the town to an individual was to date?
Don
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2025 - 19:10:09

Why, thank you Alan. I'd appreciate it if you'd send me your congratulations to my email address shown.
Pete Hegseth <chief.abuser44@gmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2025 - 18:08:53

Pete or whom ever you are, I wish a congratulations to you.

Richard: I can only hope that you will fully come to understand "Pete's intentions":

To Restore the warriors ethos

To rebuild our Military (from one who's been there, and truly done that on the battlefield)

To reestablish Deterrence (and for those not completely comprehending this last objective. this was sort of a statement coming from the SAC playbook (The Strategic Air Command) where every crew knew they were on duty 24hrs a day , day in and day out. Signifying this fact, was on the uniform ,a patch routinely worn by all SAC members daily, of an olive branch which spoke for itself-peace and a lightning bolt indicating, initiated nonsense to any degree , from an aggressive force were to occur, would not be tolerated.

Elaine, maybe I should get you one of these patches so you can concentrate on the olive branch.
Alan
USA - Sat 01/25/2025 - 17:31:33

Not sure who made the columns for that edifice. I don't think Bill Weinz had the capacity to make them in the shop I visited. Maybe Chatham Woodworking had a hand in them. They were only a few hundred feet away from the site.
Didn't Bill eventually start a business called Airport Lumber?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2025 - 16:48:00

The statement Richard Ryder made about the quarterboards was absolutely true. Quite prejudiced and the work of Bill Weinz who didn't care what anyone thought. David Archibald was a wonderful carpenter who worked with Bill Weinz before settling up his own shop. It was a different time. Feelings may have been hurt, but no one sued anyone.
John whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.comch>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2025 - 15:48:16

Oh my! Elaine and Judy P, the self-appointed arbiters of the Chatham Chat Room, calling out Dick Ryder as sanctimonious and arrogant. Irony thy name is thee!
Pete Hegseth <chief.abuser44@gmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2025 - 07:27:22

Mr. Ryder-You need to stop. You apparently have absolutely no ability to censor yourself.Your personal attacks and character assassinations towards anyone who happens to pop into your head are totally unacceptable.This isn't the first time. You are neither judge or jury despite what you apparently think-reducing and denigrating a person's entire life with one of your sanctimonious-ill informed in many cases- one liners. Someone should put a lock on your computer. I don't know Mr Archibald or his family but they would have a darn good case against you for libel.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 21:11:06

Bill Weinz had a shop at the corner of BarCliff avenue and Old Harbor Road, which I hd visited.. Dave Archibald started his career as a woodworker working for Bill. Later on, Dave moved to a shop across the street from the present OSJL.
Dave had some carved signs on the building that were racist/anti semitic. They were large enough to be visible from Route 28. No one called him out at the time.

No one would get away with this behavior today, hopefully.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 17:41:34

And yes, Richard, it was built by Bill Weinz. Painting the church became an
issue because of the height of the building.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 16:07:32

To clarify what Wayne asked about and what John referenced, the church at the traffic lights was built by the Christian Scientists and used by them until 1996 when the Universalists bought it.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 13:46:11

And I was basing my comment on the original question which referred to a photo involving the lights at Main & Crowell so the only church that could be visible there is the Universalist one, even though it said the other one.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 10:34:19

It is a Universalist Church. The Christian Scientist building is in the center of town.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 08:59:47

Where is this Christian Scientist Church?
Don
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2025 - 07:27:00

Richard - your constant bashing of the new administration is getting old and tiresome - especially when you're wrong as Bill pointed out. Stick to the topics at hand like John asked you to please.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2025 - 20:06:32

Yes, but the freeze exempts doctors and other professionals. It doesn't exempt the men and women who give bedside/ hands on care to veterans.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2025 - 18:54:55

Richard you're wrong. VA is exempt from hiring freeze.

"The Department of Veterans Affairs can continue to fill thousands of vacancies in its health care workforce despite a federal hiring freeze ordered by President Donald Trump, the VA said Thursday."

https://www.stripes.com/veterans/2025-01-23/veterans-affairs-health-care-trump-hiring-freeze-16582850.html
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2025 - 18:37:07

This affects a lot of Chatham veterans, so in my mind it is relevant .
There is a freeze on hiring new staff for the VA. This is from the new administration, who apparently don't care about you.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2025 - 17:05:10

Town assessors records show the church as being built in 1958.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Thu 01/23/2025 - 10:33:02

Wasn't it built by Bill Weinz?
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2025 - 09:07:08

I agree with Jared on the time the church was built.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/22/2025 - 21:25:43

Wayne, I believe that church was built about 1957 or 58.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/22/2025 - 20:45:49

Well not to change the subject but does anybody remember when the lights at Main St. and Crowell Rd. went in or when the Christian Scientist Church was built? I am trying to date a photo for a friend. Any info would be great.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/22/2025 - 19:50:20

Cemeteries were originally devoid of trees. Open fields. What is the issue here?
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/22/2025 - 18:50:39

Bill, when I went to a Cemetery Commission Meeting last summer, I was introduced to a new employee named Quinn Forman who is responsible and quite knowledgeable about all the happenings going on in each of the cemeteries. Sounds like a call is in order to him to get more details. I was surprised at the amount of trees that were cut down as well.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2025 - 19:18:45

Judy, they cut down a lot of the trees (large bushes) that have been there for as long as I can remember. It just makes the place look barren.

Maybe it's so the police can see clearly as they drive through. A lot of graves seem to have been down over the last year or so. Not sure if it's just erosion or on purpose.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2025 - 19:24:26

Bill - I was there today and saw them. Hopefully it's maintenance because there were a LOT of dead branches, etc hovering over the graves.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2025 - 16:04:52

Does anyone know why trees are getting cut down in Union Cemetery?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2025 - 14:53:02

Interesting.
When I talked with the former skipper of the Mystic Seaport schooner Brilliant many years ago, he said he used to vacation in Harwich and one time he was inside the Monomoy Light tower when a plane was shooting at the tower. Bullets were pinging the outside, he said. Kinda scary.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2025 - 17:12:01

The most recent entries are more what the ChatRoom is supposed to be, for sure. Some watchers could certainly add their remembrances. Don't have to leave your email address.
How about some comments about Rolf Sylvan's gardens?
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2025 - 16:59:45

Thanks Jared. I was quite sure that the engine remains I saw were from a jet engine. Apparently too big for most Chatham men to haul off and get paid for scrap metal. Or too tough to cut up with regular oxy/acetylene torches. It was shiny even when I saw it.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2025 - 16:53:36

As you requested; On July 12, 1949, 2nd Lt. William M. King, 25, of Kenmore, N.Y., was piloting an F-84 Thunderjet (Ser. No. 47-1475) on a gunnery practice mission over Cape Cod, Massachusetts, when he crashed on Monomy Point in the town of Chatham and was killed.
King was assigned to the 33rd Fighter Wing at Otis Air Force Base.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2025 - 19:42:28

Thanks Jared for that.
Got any info which pilot died in a crash on Monomoy? I have seen the remains of the plane engine there on a Scout hike to Doc Keene's camp at Inward Point. There was an asphalt bullseye still visible on the sand we trekked over. It was near the crash site. Target fixation was apparently the cause.
I don't think any of my Scout friends are still around to verify this. Maybe Barry Fulcher.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2025 - 17:31:05

On this day in 1945, Eldredge's dairy farm, Barcliff Ave;
Ensign Robert C. Baker, piloting an F6F-5 Hellcat, (Bu. No. 70161), took part in a gunnery training flight off Cape Cod, Massachusetts. At about 1:15 p.m. as he was returning to base and passing over the town of Chatham, the engine stopped working. Baker dropped the landing gear and aimed for an open field. As he came closer to the field he saw that there was a trench running across the middle of where he intended to set down so he intentionally overshot the area but wound up crashing into some trees lining the edge of the field.

Although the aircraft suffered significant damage, Ensign Baker was not hurt. Investigators believed the engine failure was due to loss of oil pressure. Ensign baker was assigned to VF-88.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2025 - 16:46:27

Seems as though there are different rules for different people, depending on your money and "power."
Amy
USA - Wed 01/15/2025 - 12:18:42

According to what I can find, Massachusetts towns have control over how many occupants can be in rental properties. It doesn't have to be how many bedrooms, size of septic, et al. We can restrict the number of guests in a rental property if we choose. 20 in one property is excessive, and there are quite a few around town like that, and more are chomping at the bit when the sewer comes their way. As a reminder, EVERYONE of us pays for the sewage they spew, the EMT services, the police, the noise, the traffic coming and going in a residential neighborhood, etc. WE the townspeople have the ability to set the limit of how many can stay in a property. Just because a septic system or house is a certain size does not give a landlord the right to fill it up to capacity as I understand the law.
Melissa
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/14/2025 - 20:20:58

Melissa - interestingly enough one of our Select Board members owns such a house and was against having to register it as a short term rental. This house was advertised everywhere as sleeping 20+ people. What about the sewer issues for that many people? Kind of like another Select Board member was supposed to hook up to the sewer when the rotaries went in and didn't. When folks starting digging into as to "why" this individual did not, they were told "the paperwork must have been lost and it would be sent. Now we are told this individual is waiting on Town Meeting to see if the Town will approve the purchase of grinder pumps for everyone that needs them. What about the folks that have already forked out the cash? These are the PEOPLE this town elected to represent us. Remember this when their terms expire this spring. Another "do as I say, not as I do" . Unbelievable. This only scrapes the surface of what many of us are aware of.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 01/14/2025 - 17:12:28

Can someone explain why houses that are advertised for short term rentals that have 9 bedrooms and sleep 21 people (as I just saw on an IG ad today) aren't designated as inns and zoned and licensed as such? How is the town allowing this to go on?
Melissa
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/14/2025 - 12:45:09

Looking forward to being back in Chatham at the Atwood House tomorrow at 5 PM to talk about the Chatham Coast Guardsmen who manned 26 foot boats and went to help folks in the MidWest 1937 floods. Names some of you know, like Al Long, Howard Matteson, and others will be seen.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/13/2025 - 18:00:59

Thank you Mr Moderator
Ron Baker <robar@totacc.com>
Alamogordo, NM USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 22:25:02

Richard and others: The removed comments were extremely negative on a national political issue that isn't within the range of allowed topics (relevant to Chatham or Cape), but also used obviously fake signatures and also disparaged this site. I tolerate some things but that's not allowed.
So to my users: please refrain from making any similar comments or I might need to delete more.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 19:24:01

"Get in the Cabinet - you won't have to stay long". "The short memories of American voters are what keeps our politicians in office." Will Rogers - 1879 - 19--?
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 18:36:58

Some of the comments that were taken down were spot on. Too close for comfort for some., I suspect.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 17:41:30

I see on TV that Mr. Rodney Nickerson, age 82, just lost his life in a California fire. I wonder, who in Chatham was he related to?
By the way Bob, John has done some deletions very recently.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 17:10:27

I am hoping that John H. is busily sharpening his eraser. I thought that his rules were, and might still be, worthy of following.
Bob R <zutcg444@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 16:17:32

Does anyone else find it interesting that we have 11 million dollars in free cash? This deceitful secret budgeting plan by our Town Manager is not going over well. This appears to have been done deliberately to avoid the 2/3 vote on the COA. Why wasn't this disclosed years ago as this has purposely been built up beyond what the DOR recommends? Even Mr. Daniels, our Finance Director has questioned her about this and she gave a non answer. There are many more pressing issues right now than the COA. One of the MOLD in the school and the kids getting sick.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/11/2025 - 11:16:34

For the record, House Speaker Mike Johnson did NOT speak at Carter's Funeral. He spoke in the Capitol rotunda when Carter's body arrived to lie in State on Jan 7. Johnson spoke both eloquently and kindly about Carter for 5 full minutes. and for 9 full days Carter was remembered. The funeral was Jan 9. None of it was disrespectful. Quite the contrary. Carter's father, James Earl Sr, was in the Army. Everyone knows-including Johnson- that Carter Jr. was in the Navy as an academy graduate, serving on a submarine. There are much larger and more serious issues facing the United States today than a potential typo to become indignant over.
Elaine B Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/10/2025 - 15:53:51

I watched the replay of Tuesday's joint SB/CFAL meeting and truly believe the current iteration is one I can fully support. I urge everyone to give it a look and draw your own conclusion.
David Mott <Djmott@aol.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/10/2025 - 13:09:42

Richard I believe he said his father (meaning President Carter's father) was in the Army.

He said a lot of wonderful things about Carter and you just ignore that to show your dislike of the Speaker.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/09/2025 - 20:09:23

Speaking of ill winds, we have lived on the bluffs of Eastham for over 30 years. Not in my memory have we experienced sustained winds of over 30 mph for such a long time. We have an anemometer on the bluff, facing West, which as I type this shows the current wind speed of 34 with the highest wind the last hour of 38 mph.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/09/2025 - 17:47:21

How can anyone convolute the facts about former President Jimmy Carter's service ? He never spent a moment of his life as an Army member. He served in the US Navy, as I did. Way before his Presidency, which today where his life was beautifully remembered.
He served as an officer aboard a US submarine, maybe several .I have been on a diesel boat that dove to 350 feet, but not as an officer or crew.
It is impossible to defend the Speaker's Faux Pas, try as one might..
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/09/2025 - 17:22:30

Richard, technically the house speaker was not wrong - Mr. Carter hadn't been President when he graduated from the naval academy so his reference was actually correct. I'm sure there was no disrespect intended.
David Mott <Djmott@aol.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 01/09/2025 - 09:54:51

The House Speaker actually said that Mr. Carter graduated from the Naval Academy, and then served in the US Army. This was at President Carter's funeral! How disrespectful is that ?
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2025 - 18:54:23

The House Speaker actually said that Mr, Carter gra
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2025 - 18:49:26

To emulate is to match or surpass by imitation. No disrespect at all for a former submarine officer.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2025 - 10:35:11

Show some respect there sailor for President "Jimmy" Carter. RIP.
Don
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2025 - 08:44:56

I served under President Jimmie Carter. I have helped build 8 Habitat Homes on Cape Cod. I can only hope that our new President will emulate what President Carter stood up for.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2025 - 19:17:42

Thanks to my cousin, who knew these Hyora folks as neighbors.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2025 - 19:06:23

Does anyone remember Breakaway Cafe near old A&P, run by Dave Belliveau I think. What years was that in business? And the restaurant that I think took its place- The Eagle. When was that and who ran that one? Thanks
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2025 - 19:04:42

Del's name was Dalia. The Hyoras lived on Barcliff at the corner of Eldredge Square. My brother and I grew up with Nick, Hank and Mark. Hank publishes the Chronicle these days.
Linda Boyce Stanton <ljstanton68@gmail.com>
Fayette, ME USA - Tue 01/07/2025 - 06:26:06

I am thinking it was Adell. The owner of the Chronicle would know. I think they lived near BarCliff Avenue. Near Millards dairy operation. By the way, there were several cows in Chatham back then, as well as a horse or two.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2025 - 16:47:03

Richard, Bob Hyora's wife's nickname was Del. I won't try to tell you what her full name was but she was a great lady. Glad to have known her.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2025 - 20:12:50

The name for the Del-Hy was that the last section was an abbreviation for Hyora. The family runs the Cape Cod Chronicle, and one of their photos, in every issue, shows the Del-Hy underway.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2025 - 17:23:29

Ed Tucker did build the Del Hi and also John Christianson's boat the Tern. I believe he also built the Terry Al, Capt. Casey's head boat Bob Ryder would probably know for sure of that. He also built a small sloop/ cutter he kept in Ryders Cove.
Tony Murphy
USA - Sat 01/04/2025 - 08:24:55

There are plans for the CG36500 to be taken out of the water permanently and placed in a building/museum where she can be visited year round. The plans drawn up by a Chatham architect are for the boat to be in a building where she can be viewed from three different levels. The proposed site is across the street from the Orleans Town Hall.
Why Orleans? Chatham Historical President at the time, Joe Nickerson, rejected the offer. "We don't want no damned boat."
So it went to Orleans. Where it has been on display at Rock Harbor for 40 summers.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2025 - 19:06:22

Didn't Ed Tucker build the Del-Hy? I am thinking it was the last wooden fishing boat built in Chatham. There was a chance for the boat to be set aside for posterity, but no one stepped up. Like , saving the CG36500, the Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, Monomoy Point Station, etc. Chatham failed. Good news is the Coast Guard Boathouse that was built on Stage Island in 1936 is actually going to be returned ! Within sight off Stage Island.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2025 - 17:33:05

Thank you Bob for the donation! I'll happily return your lanyard if you want it. That old hookset brings back a lot of memories of late nights in the shanty trying to get a trip together. Like Dick mentioned, longlining is close to dying or has already. Maybe Ted Ligenza still does it. I'm sure Peter Taylor would have a better idea. Building, rigging, and baiting trawl gear was as much an art as setting and hauling it; all a cooperative effort to feed hungry mouths. Chris Seufert did a nice set of documentaries in the 90's on various forms of fishing and he went offshore with Mike Anderson on the Bad Dog. I'll proudly display this small piece of the town's history next to some tools that Ed Tucker fashioned.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2025 - 17:03:11

Richard, Your are so right.That brings back memories of my dad fishing. You're right that gill netting has ruined the fishing industry. Helping my dad cut herring or squid and baiting gear.
Crayton S. Nickerson,Jr <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 01/02/2025 - 07:29:00

The art of dealing with tub trawls is close to dying. Having watched my Dad and his partners Walter Love and Walter Young do it as well as anyone else, I hope there is some video somewhere about all the facets of it - like cutting the bait, baiting the trawls, using the heaving stick while setting the trawls, hauling the trawls back by hand (before the haulers), gaffing the fish over the side, etc. Bob Ryder would be an excellent narrator's as he has done it all..
Gill nets ruined the Chatham fishery, in my opinion. Once there was no more hook fishery, that and the seals pretty much dealt a death blow to fisheries from the Fish Pier as we knew it.
Who knew you could make a living harvesting dogfish and skate?
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/01/2025 - 16:43:19

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