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Thank you Bruce for the link.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/05/2022 - 13:55:34
Thank you Steve! Just the kind of anecdotes I was hoping to read on the Club.

Wayne, thank you for the offer. I do have a copy of HomeSong that I've flipped through so often that the binding has come apart. I do have a relic over here from the Gould family that I'd like to give to you sometime. If the offer still stands, I'd like to get together to see each other's postcards collections.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 19:19:55
The members of the Club were probably referred to locally as Sports. Just came down for the weekend to shoot whatever came along.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 18:42:09
The CG 36500 delivered Santa to the Chatham Fish Pier this afternoon, nearly 71 years after she delivered 36 men to the same pier. February 18, 1952.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 17:25:07
Jared, The "Branting Club", as it was properly called, was a private gunning club that owned property on Monomoy. The property, I believe, was called "Shooter's Island" and was on the west side about halfway between Morris Island and Hammond's Bend. The club existed from 1862 to 1925.

My father recalled that in the late 30s when he was working for Dooley Howes, they had to reshingle the roof on one of the buildings that was part of the Club. He said you would drive down the beach at low water, turn West and drive across some meadow to get to the building. Later in the early 70's he found the well pipe for that same building in the surf on the East side of Monomoy!

Steven Nickerson <snbrinc@outlook.com>
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 14:54:19
Jared, if you do not have a copy of home song I have one you can have.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 13:01:19
Info on Branting Club

https://chatham.pastperfectonline.com/archive/B4C1B22B-2FFD-47C1-ACAF-946052386077

Bruce
USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 11:27:43
Jared, If you have a copy of Home Song Chatham, there is an article about the Branting Club on page 150.
Barbara <bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Sun 12/04/2022 - 10:35:59
Does anyone know why the old car dealership building on route 137 in Harwich (across from ACE hardware) can't be turned into affordable housing for chatham / Harwich area? I've believe it's been vacant for years. Thanks
Andrea <andrea.keating85@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2022 - 18:50:18
Jared, nothing to add. about the Brant club.
Brant, the only large waterfowl that I have never eaten. ( I have enjoyed black ducks, mallards, Canada geese, eiders )
The club must have been based down at Monomoy., when access was easier, and possible.

Former Chatham Wharfinger Gene Eldredge told of shooting gulls, to eat. Times were hard for a lot of Chatham people during the depression.
And I am sure there are people who are struggling today.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2022 - 17:40:38
I'm probably pushing my luck here, but does anyone have any memories of the remains of the Brant Club? I'm reading about the Brant Club in Josh Nick's book and I also have a membership pamphlet of the same from the 1920's. Just want to see what anyone might know or remember about it.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/03/2022 - 14:54:44
I recently have acquired the names and dates of all the men who served at the Chatham Life Saving Station from 1873 to 1941. This is for the Station that was situated either near Morris Island or on it. Logbooks for the years 1937 and 1938 are missing from the NARA facility in Waltham. To come are the rosters for Monomoy and Monomoy Point stations and hopefully Old Harbor Station..
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 12/02/2022 - 16:52:34
Richard, Willard's son Steve was in my class of 1960. They lived on the corner of Stoney Hill Road (North) where it turns right to Scatteree Road. His other son Jeff lives in Harwich.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Thu 12/01/2022 - 07:37:28
Does anyone out there have a memory of one Willard Watkins? His sons have sent me a photo of him at Old Harbor Station taken in 1930, along with a poem he wrote while on duty there. He later worked for the Nickerson Lumber Company.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/30/2022 - 17:32:34
JimP, first thank you for your respectful inquiry regarding how Native Americans gave thanks. It is my understanding that each tribe thanked the Creator every day and also specifically thanked each creature that they killed for consumption. They used every part of each animal that they could. I believe they shared as much communally as possible and at their harvest times, they gathered and once again thanked the Creator and the various other entities who were viewed as keepers or lesser deities.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 11/26/2022 - 20:20:36
I was referring to the Main Street School era. I had no idea how many, or how few, school busses were employed. Just know the bus that went by us was probably never filled to capacity. Never was on it! Also, I could add the names of the Bassett kids who were denied a ride - who lived on Old Academy Road, with their parents - the school principal Ben Bassett was their Dad.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/25/2022 - 16:57:09
Jill, I am glad that you brought up Cedar Street. It was indeed a long walk/bike ride to town and school. In my previous description of the Bus 4 route, I left out that Bus 4 turned on to Bridge Street after the jaunt out to Morris Island. It bumpily traversed over Mitchell River on the wooden drawbridge and meandered over to Stage Harbor Road. There was a bus stop at intersection of Cedar Street. The bus continued on to Main Street dropping students off at the Middle School followed by the High School on Crowell Road.

If one was in band, there was a musical instrument to carry. We didn't have backpacks, and textbooks were heavy.

Carol C.
Humboldt County, CA USA - Fri 11/25/2022 - 12:41:40
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

Jill, if you wouldn't be offended, could you share some of the history and celebrations of your people in the early days of the Cape? I fear we're going to forget the history and traditions of such an important part of life.

JimP
USA - Thu 11/24/2022 - 13:53:48
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!!

Jill, if you wouldn't mind, could you share some traditional celebrations of your people and the early days of the Cape?

JimP
USA - Thu 11/24/2022 - 13:52:14
John, I recently cam across a Chatham Chamber of Commerce pamphlet from the early 50's, which has phone numbers in it. I will pursue your question.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/24/2022 - 11:25:43
Don't envy you that bike ride Jill. I lived on Shattuck Place and if I went right on Cross Street to Main Street I had to walk but if I headed left on Cross Street, I could meet Ashlynn's and John Summers and ride the bus from Stage Harbor Road. And yes to any skeptics, we did go to school in the snow but I think it was worse when it rained and you spent the rest of the day walking around in wet shoes.
Barbara J Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Thu 11/24/2022 - 10:53:10
Those of us who lived down here on The Loop back before the new high school was built on Crowell Road also had the absolute joy of being without a bus if we attended grades 7-12. We were told that if we lived one mile or less from Main Street, we didn't need a bus. I, for one, being a bit anal, checked out the mileage from my home and it is 1.1 miles away. My father made sure that my 3-speed English bicycle was all set for my commute, but unfortunately, I ended up with only third gear being reliable. Going past Oyster Pond in the the winter with two full book baskets and a stiff breeze was a challenge. Sometimes I was pedaling just to stay upright. I did however have really great leg muscles.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/23/2022 - 11:29:37
Nice video of the Christopher Ryder House from 1975. Copy and paste the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFBrG8xozM

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/22/2022 - 19:03:21
Richard, do you know who had the phone numbers from 1-10? I know Schluter's Mobil Station had 4 and the H. Fisher Eldredge House with the painted flag had 5.
So we know 1, 4, and 5. How about the others?

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/22/2022 - 16:19:19
Yes, we lived at 220 Old Harbor Road. Verne's father had the funeral home next door, but earlier was on Highland Ave next to the Catholic church. Phone number was 1.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/22/2022 - 15:18:13
There were other families that should have been picked up by Bus 4, but they were told to walk to school even in the winter when it was snowing. Bus 4 went out to Eastward Ho! to Route 28 (along Ryder's Cove and Pleasant Bay) to Stony Hill to Old Harbor Road to Shore Road to the Chatham Light to Morris Island and back. Sometimes the bus would pick up kids at the rotary. I never understood why the bus drove right by kids walking in the snow along Crowell Road to Chatham High. We were well-behaved students on that bus as Mr. Gould was very strict and did not tolerate any boisterous behavior.
Carol C.
Humboldt County, USA - Tue 11/22/2022 - 11:21:56
Richard. Did you live on Old Harbor Road then. And Verne Hunt on Highland? Is that North Chatham?
Elizabeth Edge
USA - Tue 11/22/2022 - 10:44:54
To be fair, Dad would drop us off at the High School on a day when he couldn't go fishing. Those days could be counted on one hand.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 11/21/2022 - 18:46:06
Certainly we never felt entitled. I see the helicopter parents picking up their kids in Orleans, slowing traffic on Route 28, near the Police Station and the school.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 11/21/2022 - 17:32:34
Wasn't Mr. Dreghorn involved with the Fire Department early on? That damned North Chatham bus would go by us Ryder kids, as well as Verne Hunt and John Pratt and Anne Doane,, walking , no matter the weather, as we lived "too close to the school".
I often wonder just how many kids might have been on that bus. Was it filled? The Town was paying for it, why not pick up ALL the kids on the route, especially in bad weather?
Keep in mind the Class of 1957 only had 22 kids in it. Maybe the West and South Chatham busses were more likely to be filled. Or was there only one for those kids as well?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 11/21/2022 - 17:09:40
I think you are correct, Barry. Mr. Dreghorne.
Carol C.
Humboldt County, CA USA - Mon 11/21/2022 - 16:24:10
Carol C;I believe that the name of the man you were thinking of on Stony Hill rd, was Bob Dreghorne I am pretty sure.
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/21/2022 - 10:44:06
Sister Nancy corrected me, saying that Charles Nickerson was actually married to Susan. They weren't siblings. I don't think the milk they sold was Pasteurized at all.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/20/2022 - 14:09:29
Richard, thank you for bringing up impromptu softball games in Chatham. Some of my fondest memories from growing up in Chatham were playing games with the neighborhood kids back in the 1960's. Our school bus stop was at the T of Old Harbor Road and Scattered Rd/Stony Hill Rd in North Chatham. There was a big field at the corner that belonged to the Joseph Nickerson family. The neighborhood kids would gather to play softball in the summer. My brother Will nicknamed me "Toad" because I liked to play catcher. The other spot was further up Stony Hill Rd at Draegon's field (Please excuse me if I misspelled Draegon - this was a long time ago). Both places now have homes built on the fields.
When it snowed in the winter, we played other games while waiting for Roscoe Gould's Bus 4 to pick us up in the morning. The older kids would make pathways in the snow, and we played "Fox and Rabbit" - a tag game. We made snow angels, snow people, and occasionally, there was a snowball fight. Good times!

Carol C.
Humboldt County, CA USA - Sun 11/20/2022 - 10:15:25
On Old Harbor Road, next door to Captain Oscar Nickerson's house, there was an empty hay field that the other Nickerson family across the street from us (Abner, Charles and their sister) used to harvest hay from for their cow and a horse.
When it was not being used as intended, we used it to play baseball or softball. We cut the baselines with a relatively new idea - a rotary mower that my Dad had. Later on, Igo Toabe built a house on the lot. That has been torn down and replaced with a larger one. Sound familiar?
I wonder if any kids in Chatham actually get together and come up with their own games as we did. Where would they do it? Any "open spaces " have been left to be overgrown.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/19/2022 - 16:37:56
Tom: While it's not the news you want to read, thank you for the news that Bob Mathieson had passed away. I have great memories of playing baseball in the bamboo field with the Mathiesons and other kids in the neighborhood. They were the best of times with friends.
Barbara J Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Sat 11/19/2022 - 10:13:31
I received word that my classmate Bobby Matheson has passed away in Florida. He was a twin of Billy Matheson.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sat 11/19/2022 - 06:58:29
Unknown to me , classmate Diane Matteson ( Marions' Pie Shop daughter) put my name in as a person to consider for the job, being that I had larger feet than most. I was offered $20.00 for 5 minutes work, but due to the concrete setting up slowly, they paid me $25.00. This was at the time when gasoline was going for 25 cents a gallon. Do the math. It was a lucrative job for me, a day after graduation from Chatham High School, class of 1957. I didn't own a car, but I could put gas in my Dad's pickup with the $$. The gig sure beat caddying at CBI, shoveling snow for the Town of Chatham for $1.00 per hour, or working at the A&P as a stock boy.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/18/2022 - 17:09:13
Richard: We happened to drive by the Barefoot Trader this September and I related the story of your footprints to our daughter. She found it quite amusing.
Allen R. Boyce <able.baker@comcast.net>
WEST HARTFORD, CT USA - Fri 11/18/2022 - 08:08:13
Judy P sent me a picture from Facebook that showed up, taken in 1957 with me making tracks in cement in a ramp at the Barefoot Trader gift shop. Yes, it did happen. The footprints are still there.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/17/2022 - 17:50:15
Went to Orleans today - no permit required. Beaty and Trump signs are gone. Relegated to a storage bin for future use?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/17/2022 - 17:46:30
Ron Beatty has been very busy posting tweets like 'Maura Healey needs to find a man'. Since deleted but screenshot saved. What a guy and even though he lost lots of our neighbors voted for him
Kitty
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 18:39:47
Bill P is correct but here's a couple of other tips:
You can force most browsers to pull in new data and ignore the saved ("cached") data by using the keyboard shortcut Cmd+Shift+R on a Mac, and Ctrl+F5 on a PC. I have had to do that on occasion.
Unfortunately, those don't work on a iPad or similar devices. One website I just saw suggested opening an Incognito or Private window in browser and see if results are different there. Actually had never thought about that possible solution but seems promising.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 17:27:52
If we took control of left over Beaty signs and trashed them, then he would be offended, right? What about the Trump signs? Who is responsible for them? He was, at the time , not running for any office.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 17:19:43
At one point several years ago, there were a great number of political signs a week after the election that I proposed a small fine per sign for the candidate involved. It was meant as a warning at the time. There are very few left over this time. Unfortunately nearly every one was a Ron Beaty sign.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 17:05:49
Does anyone else on the ChatRoom find it offensive that one week after the local elections, Ron Beaty still had not found the time, or had the decency, to remove his campaign signs. From State and local byways. He has his rights, and the obligations that go with those rights.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 17:00:13
Write your post, post it. Then leave it alone and go to the Chatroom again, do not use the back button, then refresh your browser and you will see your post. Hope this helps.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 16:16:35
Bob R: Apologies for not seeing your posts sooner but was busy last night.
See my email with detailed description.
For others: I will say that it was NOT his comments themselves but a couple of attempts at a duplicate post combined with doing it in less than 20 seconds between attempts that caused the issue.

Thus PLEASE verify that your posts have worked before assuming it didn't. As I say clearly here, you may have to refresh page to see it due to buffer/cache on your device.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/16/2022 - 09:51:49
Well, John H., you must have found my comments to be not acceptable. Please explain.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/15/2022 - 17:45:33
Wow, my third try to make a neutral comment has been denied by John H.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/15/2022 - 17:37:28
Wow, my third try to make a neutral comment has been denied by John H.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/15/2022 - 17:36:39
I, too, have met the man and understand his situation. Maybe not a good place to talk about that history.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/15/2022 - 17:33:08
Yet another conversation stopper. I, too, admire the guy, but perhaps a different avenue of communication would make more sense.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/15/2022 - 17:28:32
This day I pay tribute to Mike Cunningham, a very young man at the time (17.5 years old) when he entered into the Vietnam war. Mike later wrote his first book entitled "Walking Point" an infantry man's untold story. In this book he explains his experience of the Que Sun Valley which is a large area of hills west of Da Nang. It was here in these hills that the US Army and the Marines encountered the 2nd North Vietamese Div and where many US soldiers died or were seriously wounded. Mike's life was on the line every day. This past summer on the cape, Mike mentioned to me what he thought about every day in those days, which was staying Aive that day- no thinking about home, the future etc.- just staying alive. You can catch a summary of "Walking Point" by googling amazon and placing the books title in the request. To this day, Mike has had to deal with happening more than 50 years ago, he was one of the lucky ones. Mike I salute you for not only your service but providing your insight into what you saw every day when you awoke every morning
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 11/12/2022 - 05:40:19
Today I pay tribute to Mike Cunningham, a very young man at the time (17.5 years old when he entered into the Vietnam war. Mike later wrote his first book entitled "Walking Point" an infantry man's untold story. In this book he explains his experience of the Que Sun Valley which is a large area of hills west of Da Nang. It was here in these hills that the US Army and the Marines encountered the 2nd North Vietamese Div and where many soldiers died or were seriously wounded. Mike,s life was on the line every day. This past summer, Mike mentioned to me what he thought about every day which was staying Aive that day- no thinking about home, the future etc.- just staying alive. You can catch a summary of "Walking Point" by googling amazon and placing the books title in the request. To this day, Mike has had to deal with happening more than 50 years ago, he was one of the lucky ones. Mike I salute you for not only your service but providing your on-site into what you saw every day when you awoke
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 11/12/2022 - 00:06:39
Yes, David rose from an Air Crewman in the USCG to become a fixed wing pilot. Then he retired and got to be a Captain for Southwest.
It doesn't get much better than this. E-1 to O-3 in the USCG. I am very proud of Nephew David Larkin. My message to the kids i meet, stick with the choices you are presented with the USCG.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/11/2022 - 17:49:07
Nancy, that may have been the last time I spoke with him - when he was retiring from flying for the Coasties and going to commercial. Good for him!!
JimP
USA - Fri 11/11/2022 - 17:24:01
Jim, Will do. David is retired Coast Guard and retired Southwest Airlines. A wonderful career in aviation. He and his wife Cindy live in Eustis, FL.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/11/2022 - 09:34:51
adding to Richard and Nancy - thanks to all our fellow Vets out there. Nancy, please say hello to David for me. I haven't seen him in years. I hope he is well.

Give a moment to thank a Vet today and hoist a pint of your favorite beverage to those still in the field.

Our guys and women are still fighting too damned many wars in crap-hole parts of the world. Give them just a moment.

JimP
USA - Fri 11/11/2022 - 06:19:17
Thanks to any and all who served for our country. This would include my late dad David (Coast Guard Reserve), my late husband Bob US Army, my son David USCG, brothers John USCG, Richard USNavy, Bob USCG,nephew Mike USCG & late nephew Scott USCG.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/10/2022 - 21:09:30
By the way, Dad Dave Ryder did not serve in the Coast Guard during WWII, but did volunteer to stand watch at night at the Chatham CG Station which was then on "Bean Hill "on Morris Island. Being a fisherman, and with 4 children, he was exempt from the draft. Fishermen could not get underway until daylight during the war years.
When I asked him about Bean Hill, he said " it was because they served so many meals of beans there". I can't make this stuff up.
RIP Dave Ryder

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/10/2022 - 19:28:17
Veterans Day is a mixed bag of feelings for me. All of the males in my graduating class of Chatham High in 1957 all served in one service or another. John Pratt, USN. Verne Hunt, USCG, Eddie Johnson, US Army, Robert Borthwick, US Air Force, Ross Gould, US army, Carl Olson, US Navy, John Chamberlin, USAF and myself US Navy. I am not aware of any of the women in the class ever having served. I stand to be corrected, as I did serve with a lot of Women Hospital Corpswaves.
As far as I know, only Eddie , Ross and myself are still alive.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/10/2022 - 19:17:21
Richard, the town of Chatham website.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/10/2022 - 09:23:20
Where can I find election results from the Town of Chatham voters?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/09/2022 - 17:35:26
Yes, an Eastern rigged dragger is a class example of form follows function. Maine men devoted their lives to building such beautiful and functional vessels. Of wood.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/08/2022 - 17:09:56
Richard, or the rounded stern on a Gamage built Eastern Rig
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
West Chatham , MA USA - Mon 11/07/2022 - 18:14:21
Thank you Jared
Andrea
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/07/2022 - 11:37:43
Thank you John, Steve and Jared for your supportive comments recently on the Room. Went by Chatham Light this PM to see where the sands are this week. What a dynamic place is the Chatham coast. Good thing it is all sand, and no rocks, as in Maine. But, as they say in Maine, the rocks don't move.
We take the best of their boats and make good use of them.
The sheer line of a Maine lobster boat is a joy to behold, as is the sheer line of the CG36500, compared to others.
You can't bend wood in to an ugly shape.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/06/2022 - 17:32:16
Andrea, if a road was privately built or exists over private property, then it remains a private road. If residents want it to become a town road, then it must go before Town Meeting. The town will plow private roads as long as they meet minimum standards so as to lessen risk of damage to trucks. The roads must also be open for the public to use.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 11/06/2022 - 11:17:50
Jeremy was the Anglers shortstop in 2017 and attended the University of Maine. His parents and extended Dominican family attended many games that summer. Jeremy was, and is, a fine young man of great character who still communicates with his host family from that summer. The Angler organization is proud to have been part of his development.
Steve West <steve.e.west@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 11/06/2022 - 09:39:29
Former Chatham Angler Jeremy Pena was MVP of both the American League
Championship Series and the World Series. He was born in the Dominican
Republic and was a rookie this year.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 11/05/2022 - 23:40:18
I recently saw the listing of private streets in the paper. My street was included ( I had no idea we lived on a private street ) even though it is off a well traveled main road. Who determines if your street is private.
Andrea
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 11/05/2022 - 11:53:02
I walked today down the beach from the Lighthouse to the shanty. It has taken a
lot of damage since my last visit. Bare bones only now. The beach leading up to
it is a great deallower and survival through the winter may not be possible.
Still, it has been resilient since 2015, so I have some hope.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/04/2022 - 16:53:29
Donna - I was told that Gerry/Jerry who worked at Schluter's for years was his dad - but I have no other info.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/01/2022 - 12:54:11
Who was Jason Custodie that died in the fire yesterday.Tragic! I happened to be on 28 when it happened.There was personnel from Chatham, Harwich, Brewster and Orleans there.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/01/2022 - 11:40:05
I think using a compass is a lost skill these days.

I was in the Military before GPS so I had lots of training in the map and compass skills.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/31/2022 - 19:42:11
To correct compass errors in several of my boats I hired Merritt to do his magic. Always came out in perfect alignment, and he never charged me a cent. I can still hear him yelling "MARK, MARK, MARK" as we traveled at five knots East, North, West and South. Great memories of a very good man.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/31/2022 - 07:45:48
Paula (St.Pierre) Avellar and her husband own Chatham Boat. She is his granddaughter I think.
Susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 10/30/2022 - 19:11:43
Yes, Merritt O Wright did hold a high place in the local CG organization. I came across a photo of a retired Merritt on the Sea Peach when he and Dad went to Jonesport, ME to bring the boat back to Chatham after she was launched. I plan to turn it over to Merritt's daughter, who I think is involved with Chatham Boat. Do I have this right?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 10/30/2022 - 17:26:40
Dick, wasn't M.O. Wright the Group Commander when Group was located at Chatham?
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/30/2022 - 10:41:19
Former Chatham Angler Jeremy Pena had a great first year as the shortstop for
the Houston Astros. He has been a star so far in the playoffs and World Series.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/29/2022 - 22:00:41
Does anyone on this room have a story about M.O. Wright, Coast Guard OIC of Chatham Station?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 10/29/2022 - 17:42:36
Liz: You must know that the father of Ross Ringheim worked at the Marconi Site if I am not mistaken. Ross was the most self effacing guy you would ever meet. Worked at boatyards closer to Falmouth than Chatham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 10/27/2022 - 19:03:34
Correction to my post - I meant Ross Ringheim. Sorry!
Liz McC <emccarte@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/26/2022 - 14:10:43
So sorry to hear about Archie Nickerson. I have fond memories of working with him at Chatham Yacht Basin when I was a teenager. When the boss went "up the hill to the bank" we would all sit down for a nice cup of tea. A kind man. He and Ross Hall built a beautiful boat one summer.
Liz McC <emccarte@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/26/2022 - 13:57:09
Nancy, you're right. I keep forgetting that many families continue names through numerous generations.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 10/26/2022 - 13:18:56
Judy and Jared, years ago the Atwood Museum hosted a "Gam Session" inviting all the locals to come with a story or two to tell. My father told a story " when Creepy blew up the stove". Apparently someone used to creep around Town to steal firewood, so to catch the thief dynamite was hidden in the firewood and it blew! Hence the name Creepy. Everyone had a nickname....let's hear more of them!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/26/2022 - 04:18:14
Jill, They were uncles I believe.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
No Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/25/2022 - 23:24:59
Jill: Archie was the brother of Ellie Nickerson and sister Barbara, they grew up on Geo.Ryder Rd.. W.Chatham.
Sylvia <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/25/2022 - 21:25:17
Nancy, was Archie also the brother of Roger, Lyman, and Kenneth (Cobby)?
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 10/25/2022 - 20:21:20
Archie was a gentle soul and the last member of his family to pass. His siblings were Bernice, Barbara, Beverly and Ellie. RIP Archie.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
No Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/25/2022 - 19:25:45
John, perhaps my transcripts go back that far. I only have a couple and yes, Clair Baisly was part of it.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 10/25/2022 - 14:22:33
I have the transcript from a "gam" session organized by Clair Basily in about
1969. Fun to read all the comments by people who were old then and most of whom
died in the following 10 years.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/25/2022 - 14:00:03
Back when we were gearing up to celebrate the tercentennial, I suggested that we do an updated version of the original "gam sessions". I believe my mother and Eleanor Henderson were a couple of the people who pulled it together back in the late 1970s and both of my parents were contributors. There wasn't much interest in it when I suggested it in 2012.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/24/2022 - 20:53:55
Knew Archie well for most of my life. A great friend! Saw him at Liberty Commons a few times last along. Should have gone more!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/24/2022 - 20:12:43
I remember when Archies' Dad was lost at the Chatham Bar when their boat , the CACHALOT, was broached and overturned. Roy Larkin was also lost. His son Murray married sister Nancy.
Archie has been a great help to the CG36500, doing rope splicing, etc.
BTY, Cachalot is another name for a whale.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/24/2022 - 17:48:10
Sorry to report Archie Nickerson passed away last week. Nicest man I have ever known, a dear friend for 50 years since Eldredge Marine days.
DJFjr <dfarrell@fsofirm.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/24/2022 - 08:40:40
Judy and Jared, years ago the Atwood Museum hosted a "Gam Session" inviting all the locals to come with a story or two to tell. My father told a story " when Creepy blew up the stove". Apparently someone used to creep around Town to steal firewood, so to catch the thief dynamite was hidden in the firewood and it blew! Hence the name Creepy. Everyone had a nickname....let's hear more of them!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/24/2022 - 06:09:32
Jared- I agree! Not much left with the history here and who better to learn from than the folks that are still here! We all need to get together a gathering of everyone that can share these memories before it's too late!
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/22/2022 - 18:56:46
Judy, that's why I tried to make it to as many Chat room parties as possible. I wanted to hear everything they spoke of! Just looking at the pictures from they year Carl and Carol Olson hosted, we've lost so many locals with so much local knowledge, Reggie and Gail, Donny and Mary, Jim and Jane, Tim P, the Chowdah man himself and a few others.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/22/2022 - 08:42:36
Sorry to have read about Anna. She and Bruce were very close to my parents. They had a lot of good times together. Very sad to see a lot of the old Chathamites passing away and the town becoming unrecognizable these days. Growing up here before the 1980's was so special. So many folks today that live here have no clue how special it was and how many of those folks that made it so special are gone.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 10/20/2022 - 16:54:46
Just to let everyone know Anna Woodland has passed. I know some here was asking about her in relation to the hurricane. I have no idea if it's related, probably not.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/19/2022 - 16:14:40
My wife just received her flu shot through the Town's drive through clinic. She was then given outdated covid tests. I understand that some of these have been given extended live but the ones from CVS for free are current. The Towns are from China and we are to believe that they are okay!
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/19/2022 - 15:02:20
Judy, I can't understand why they keep looking for a place for a NEW C.O.A. The voters have voted NO, so let dead dogs lie. What we need to do quickly is to keep our wells safe for quality drinking water!
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/19/2022 - 08:39:19
Amy and others - the agenda item for the COA was removed from the Select Board's agenda last night. I think this was a very wise move on their part. If they were going to remove that without any taxpayer input, they should remove 1610 Main Street as well since voters voted that location down.
judyp
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 10/19/2022 - 08:06:54
Richard - I believe the responsibility falls to the Town Manager. Two years ago I was told my road would be repaved when a half-assed job was done after mistakes were made and Road ripped up THREE times placing sewer lines. Never happened. I hope the Select Board is paying attention to these comments. The roads are awful, the water wells are in a sorry state, and the tap water is disgusting. We need new town management and a town manager that is transparent and has citizens best interests as a priority instead of pandering to the developers.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 10/18/2022 - 05:59:47
Richard - I believe the responsibility falls to the Town Manager. Two years ago I was told my road would be repaved when a half-assed job was done after mistakes were made and Road ripped up THREE times placing sewer lines. Never happened. I hope the Select Board is paying attention to these comments. The roads are awful, the water wells are in a sorry state, and the tap water is disgusting. We need new town management and a town manager that is transparent and has citizens best interests as a priority instead of pandering to the developers.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 10/17/2022 - 20:27:48
From a respectable distance, it does seem the Chatham Selectboard has not done due diligence and provided oversight over the roads that have been torn up and not been redone in a timely fashion.
Only last week were major roads in Eastham, that had been torn up for the water mains two years ago, repaved.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/17/2022 - 17:49:36
Even my CAT won't drink the water!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/17/2022 - 07:17:22
Along with the water issue let's pave all the roads sitting unfinished for 2 years before digging up any other roads. My road has been done for 2 years and still needs to be repaved.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/16/2022 - 18:48:14
Judy, I totally agree .Money should be spent on our wells and leave the COA right where it is.
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/16/2022 - 17:46:45
Peter - I agree with you 100%. No one my age wants anything to with it. Several older folks feel the same way. It's been a social group for years with the same people. Boring old programs, cooking classes, etc. - nothing geared for young seniors. Even though there is new staff there that does not take away the bad taste of how awful previous management was and how absolutely useless they were to my family and friends when we needed help with our loved ones. I will never support a new building til they prove they can outgrow the Community Center. I think our Town Manager and Select Board need to get our priorities straight before we enter into another ridiculous project. Let's work on the water first . I'm sick of not being able to use water while the town is past maximum capacity in the summer. To me water is more important than another overpriced building that will have minimal use. Kind of like the Community Center.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 10/16/2022 - 15:26:58
My experience with the usage of the COA is extremely positive. Those who think they will never use it may eat their words when they reach a certain age and their circumstances change. At a younger age it would never have crossed my mind that one day it would become so much a part of my life. Health issues, money issues, inability to drive, relatives unable to give assistance are merely a few reasons why one might partake in the services of the COA. Drop in one day and see exactly what goes on. You might be pleasantly surprised. Just saying.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/16/2022 - 11:49:40
There is a quiet rather larger group of people who do use the COA as a support system as well as a social network. May not be as verbal as some about their needs and wants.Until you actually need one of the COA services, you will may not be able to appreciate the scope of the COA. The current, finally full staffed COA team is the best.
The reasoning of funding a supposedly small number using the COA could also negate the need to support the school system.

Susie
USA - Sun 10/16/2022 - 10:26:39
Judy-My main concern regarding any new COA building is who will use it. No one i've spoken to (over 65) has any interest in the COA in general. I fear the Town will waste millions supporting a very small group of people.
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/16/2022 - 08:33:39
Amy - I just saw in the Town Manager's weekly newsletter they are bringing that topic up before the Select Board at their meeting next Tuesday. They want them to vote "NO" on building something small next to the Community Center. . I am as disgusted as you are. The Community Center is basically empty every single day until kids get out of school. I've been there twice in the past month and it was EMPTY in the morning. I will not support a new COA being built anywhere until they prove they need one. We have managed quite nicely for the past 2-3 years without one. To ask taxpayers to fund another Taj Mahal when our water wells are in dire need of repair is more than ridiculous. To even consider another building with the price of lumber is ridiculous. We spoke out against this last time and we can do it again. I'd like to know how the Chairman of the Parks and Recreation Committee gets a "say" in this. The taxpayers own this building and we absolutely have a say in how it is used.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 10/14/2022 - 17:01:48
Melissa - things were never run better. I totally agree with you. So many advantages to that. It be be so much better run and more efficient. No way would developers and engineers be guaranteed business with five in charge instead of one calling the shots.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 10/14/2022 - 15:28:50
Here we go again....COA and dept of rec are joining forces to convince the select board to vote NOT to have the COA at the community center. I would have thought that's premature since the public has not weighed in on this. Same few people are against it and they are loud. Watch or go to select board meeting on the 18 th.....
Amy
USA - Fri 10/14/2022 - 14:24:25
Melissa - things were never run better. I totally agree with you. So many advantages to that. It be be so much better run and more efficient. No way would developers and engineers be guaranteed business with five in charge instead of one calling the shots.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 10/14/2022 - 11:47:54
Jared, I would love to see the town go back to its former form of governance, closer to the people. Remove the manager and split that pay among 5 selectmen/women.
M Reed <ccblues@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 10/14/2022 - 10:26:24
John Whelan, somewhere in my inherited possession's is a Kip Coffee stock certificate that Earl Hiscock gave my Dad.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/13/2022 - 21:38:16
Speaking of Selectmen, recently I came into possession of some of Tim Pennypacker's items. Among them were his campaign cards from 1975 (where he won his first campaign in an eight way race) and 1982 respectively. I am going to have them made into lawn signs and put them up during election season. Let me know if you're interested in having one.
There was also a newspaper article on the BOS when Tim, Bill Litchfield and Bob Franz were in office circa 1984, stating that no challenger had unseated an incumbent since 1968 when Ed Harrington won. Tim was quoted saying that either people were happy with how the town was run or they didn't care enough to elect someone new. He also said that in having to micromanage town affairs as a full time selectman for such meager pay, one had to be either very dedicated or very stupid to want to run for the position.

Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/13/2022 - 18:06:38
Does anyone have a stock certificate for Kip Coffee? Earl Hiscock tried to
invent the coffee bag, like a tea bag, but for coffee. This was in the 1960's.
He encouraged neighbors and friends to invest in his idea and gave stock
certificates to anyone who invested. The idea was good, but the company never
succeeded and went under. He made a coffee bag for me in his kitchen once. The
coffee was decent.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/13/2022 - 14:15:45
Did anyone else see the Board of Health meeting last Monday? They struggled with deciding how many bedrooms were allowed for short term rentals, water and sewer issues, etc. I believe the issue is more about the number of people using the rental home rather than the number of bedrooms. Many rental properties add sleeping cots, mattresses, even tents plus attic and shed space to sleep all sorts of family and guests. All using maybe one or two bathrooms. That equals a lot of water and sewage for which the homeowner pays hefty fees. If 8 people use outside showers, that water does not go into the sewer, but it is charged as so. The large percentage of these properties are not yet on the sewer, so they must pump out their septics or they will fail and eventually pollute our wells and ground water. There is much more room for debate and improvement to be considered here. Is there a mechanism in place for site visits? There must be if you want to register and monitor this activity.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/13/2022 - 06:09:17
Reading the Chronicle online now, there's a very nice profile story about the Aikman's, who have been regulars here for many years. So those who get paper edition, look for it there.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Wed 10/12/2022 - 18:09:12
Emily, check out the rental listings for Chatham on We Need a Vacation. Several 5 bedroom listings that say they sleep 16 people, 4 bedrooms for 12 people, one 6 bedroom sleeps 20. It is out of control.
M Reed <ccblues@comcast.net>
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/12/2022 - 14:53:09
Reading the Chronicle online now, there's a very nice profile story about the Aikman's, who have been regulars here for many years. So those who get paper edition, look for it there.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Wed 10/12/2022 - 11:35:22
Richard - your dad was a class act. Can't say that now about sone of the current and former Selectmen in Chatham. When you band together to steal signs that says all one needs to know about the characters of those involved.
JudyP
USA - Mon 10/10/2022 - 17:44:27
Before the days of campaign signs, my Dad David Ryder, ran initially against Sabin " Slim" Hutchings for Chatham Selectman. Slim was an early user of mistruths hurled against an opponent. Sound familiar?
Dad won, and was reelected 4 times, mostly unopposed.
Being in the Navy at the time, I never got a chance to see him in action at a Town Meeting, But I am assured that he was always a quiet voice of reason.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/10/2022 - 17:20:37
Judith - Couldn't agree with you more. Interesting that same group still bands together and still acts the same.
JudyP
USA - Mon 10/10/2022 - 17:14:13
Many years ago, rumor had it that a certain selectman paid his son and friends to steal campaign signs later found in the woods. Foul play and childish.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Mon 10/10/2022 - 14:57:42
Doesn't matter whose signs were taken - it's illegal! Many can say the same for Bergstrom - yet he signs are still there.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 10/10/2022 - 14:20:20
Did Ron Beaty signs go missing in town? I wonder why anyone would ever do that?!! He's such an upstanding citizen!!
Lisa
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/10/2022 - 12:20:31
I'm wondering how many folks here you n Chatham are aware that it's illegal to steal/trash campaign signs?? Many were put out yesterday that are now missing.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 10/09/2022 - 17:56:43
Want to see what might happen to South facing properties on Cape Cod when the eventual CAT 4 storm hits here? look at Youtube - type in Fort Myers Beach, or Sanibel.
The properties at Little Beach would be especially at risk.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 10/09/2022 - 17:42:38
Did anyone else see the Board of Health meeting last Monday? They struggled with deciding how many bedrooms were allowed for short term rentals, water and sewer issues, etc. I believe the issue is more about the number of people using the rental home rather than the number of bedrooms. Many rental properties add sleeping cots, mattresses, even tents plus attic and shed space to sleep all sorts of family and guests. All using maybe one or two bathrooms. That equals a lot of water and sewage for which the homeowner pays hefty fees. If 8 people use outside showers, that water does not go into the sewer, but it is charged as so. The large percentage of these properties are not yet on the sewer, so they must pump out their septics or they will fail and eventually pollute our wells and ground water. There is much more room for debate and improvement to be considered here. Is there a mechanism in place for site visits? There must be if you want to register and monitor this activity.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/08/2022 - 08:57:07
On a visit to Chatham today, I used the men's room at the Annex near the Police Department. On entering, I was struck with how hot it was in the entry way. Is there no one looking after these things? The entry way would be just fine if only warmed by the sun. Or left alone. It is not really a space that needs to be heated at all. Glad I am not paying for the heat there.and appreciative of the public bathroom. Just like the bathroom at the Fish Pier.
As a person in my early 80's, I tend to know where there are available bathrooms. Portable or not.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 10/06/2022 - 19:31:09
It's interesting to me there is no clearly defined schedule of areas that are being updated with the sewer. One of my neighbors has called the Water Dept multiple times to see when the rest of my road will be done. The first half of the road was done in 2014 and the part leading to the water was never done. They told her they didn't know - yet a few months ago - one of the houses at the end of the road was done. No one on the street was notified. If you call the Water Dept they tell you they don't know. Miscommunication regarding Town projects is never ending. The other issue I noticed with the Select Board Meeting this week is that they are ALL reluctant to attach the minutes from all the "Executive Sessions" even though they have been ordered to do so. They are trying to hide the minutes so the public will have a hard time accessing them. The Board asked the Town Manager if there was any easier way to attach them and she said "NO". Anyone that works on a computer knows this is FALSE info coming from our Town Manager. These documents can be easily attached to her weekly newsletter or in a separate area on the Town website. Who is the boss here? We have every right to those secret sessions they conducted and they have already been outed as violating Open Meeting Laws. Folks need to get vocal about what has been covered up and the Town Manager needs to supply this information in a clear, concise way that does not involve going back through all this documentation for the past 15 years.
judyp
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 10/06/2022 - 08:42:00
Did anyone else see the Board of Health meeting last Monday? They struggled with deciding how many bedrooms were allowed for short term rentals, water and sewer issues, etc. I believe the issue is more about the number of people using the rental home rather than the number of bedrooms. Many rental properties add sleeping cots, mattresses, even tents plus attic and shed space to sleep all sorts of family and guests. All using maybe one or two bathrooms. That equals a lot of water and sewage for which the homeowner pays hefty fees. If 8 people use outside showers, that water does not go into the sewer, but it is charged as so. The large percentage of these properties are not yet on the sewer, so they must pump out their septics or they will fail and eventually pollute our wells and ground water. There is much more room for debate and improvement to be considered here. Is there a mechanism in place for site visits? There must be if you want to register and monitor this activity.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/05/2022 - 07:39:28
Dick, I think everyone who read the other posts knows the word which isn't bad but I had added it to my filtering because it was being misused against my regulars who aren't doing that behavior. Unfortunately I can't be selective and allow the good use of it as you did and block the bad use so it's just applied to all postings.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sun 10/02/2022 - 21:04:56
John H, thanks for clarification of my comment
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/02/2022 - 18:10:40
So sad to see how many thousands of people now homeless in Florida due to Hurricane Ian. Should a Category 4 Hurricane hit the Outer Cape, then there might be hundreds homeless, but the devastation would be felt in most South facing towns. Like Harwich, Falmouth, Hyannis, Provincetown. I was in town for the 1944 storm and the two Hurricanes in the mid 50's. The trees since then have grown to tower over the power lines .
Burying the lines? Not a good idea in ares where there will be coastal flooding. To wit, the town of Longboat Key, FL where my stepdaughter lives. They were not seriously flooded but they just got their power back on this morning. The village has buried a lot of their power lines. But until the waters recede, the underground utilities can't be turned back on.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 10/02/2022 - 17:32:21
Dick, I think everyone who read the other posts knows the word which isn't bad but I had added it to my filtering because it was being misused against my regulars who aren't doing that behavior. Unfortunately I can't be selective and allow the good use of it as you did and block the bad use so it's just applied to all postings.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sun 10/02/2022 - 14:05:30
John H, A lot of the people reading that post probably think I used a real bad word but the word I used doesn't even come close. A common word to describe the offender's posts.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Sun 10/02/2022 - 07:11:51
Dick Fulcher: FYI - In spring 2019, I added a word to my original list of those that I preferred not be used here because it was being used against a good person vs the normal bad one. So those words get converted to a set of tildes whenever they appear at minimum.

Also: I tweaked something which might help another situation here. That's all I will say publicly for now.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/29/2022 - 23:55:51
It's been open for a while. You may want to call before you go there to make sure whoever you want to see is there. They were shuffling folks around while they were painting over mold.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 09/29/2022 - 19:22:14
Does anyone know if Town hall 549 Main ST down town is open, issues fixed? If not where is the treasurer/collectors office now for in person visit? Thanks.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/29/2022 - 18:17:34
Richard & Sylvia, Anna resides at assisted living in Naples. She has been there since summer I believe.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/28/2022 - 21:51:54
Richard, Anna's daughter lives in our neighborhood. I will try to get over there and find out and let you know.
Sylvia <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/28/2022 - 21:14:09
I wonder how Anna Olson Woodland is doing if she has not moved back from Naples to Chatham. Hurricane Ian is not something to mess with.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/28/2022 - 17:19:18
The word deleted was ~~~~~~~~.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Wed 09/28/2022 - 16:47:50
Gosh, Dick. That's not very nice. I just dropped by to read some first-hand feedback about your new citizens-to-be. You guys have been royally gaslighted by two Southern governors who see the cape the same way you view California, so you attack the guy from California. Not much to it. Enjoy your winter.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Wed 09/28/2022 - 11:13:51
The Dubis family had a mean dog that on our trips to the 4th hole and beyond to be caddies at the CBI Golf course, we had to go by the challenging dog. Dot Fougere was a newlywed when they moved in to their home on that street near us.
I sold fresh eggs to Mabel Mallowes.
If you take on 50 free baby chickens from the 4H program in April, then you have to deal with what they produce when they grow up. They expected 8 roosters for "harvesting" in August, which happened in Harwich as I recall.
An Old Harbor Road story.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 17:20:52
Speaking of Highland Ave, I remember George Rapatta lived adjacent to Holy Redeemer. I believe he had been stationed at Chatham Light during the Second World War. He was one of the regulars at Larry's P.X. (along with Ellie Nickerson, Ray Murphy, Larry Lee, Paul Lucas etc) around the time my grandmother worked there. As a young kid, everytime we went in there, George would see me and say, "there's my buddy Herman (or Oscar)! I saw him years later down at Schoolhouse Pond and he said, "Oscar, you're a little taller than the last time I saw you!"
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 17:18:51
Cal, define cheap threats. and stop being the ~~~~~~~~ you are. We on Cape Cod don't listen to advice from California's nuts and flakes.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 17:16:40
Thanks Richard for the location of Uncle Ben's house! I vaguely remember it on Highland Ave., as we were on Ocean View Terrace with the Dubis and Mallowes kids.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 17:12:53
I just spoke to Dave Bromley, who informed me that he and his wife Marcia (granddaughter of builder Tom Haley) will be opening Old Harbor Station this Saturday for the last time this season. 2-4 PM .No charge. Dave was formerly a Chatham Fire Department member. Before they moved to Seattle for a job with the SFD. He has a great many stories, which you can hear if you stop in at the Eastham Stihl store, where he reigns as the certified Stihl mechanic.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 17:08:37
John, good luck with Ian
Bruce
USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 17:03:37
Thanks Richard for the location of Uncle Ben's house! I vaguely remember it on Highland Ave., as we were on Ocean View Terrace with the Dubis and Mallowes kids.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/27/2022 - 05:53:30
Judith - Remember that I don't constantly monitor every single post as it occurs, and as I am busy with other tasks often but I try to keep at least an eye on it and the regulars here help keep it organized in many cases which I am grateful for. And as I said, I did allow the discussion of the migrants to MV/JBCC to continue some because while a national issue, it had the local connections.

However, in looking back, I should have been a bit more active in restraining some things. And I intend to take some action on at least one issue as soon as I can. I don't think my rules are selectively applied but I DO sometimes give more latitude to those whom I actually know in person and/or who have been long term users.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 22:18:27
The selective application of the rules in this room is notable, from people making threats, comments re verboten subjects, to the use of pseudonyms as far back as 2012. Ridiculous! Cult members do you think you are exempt or simply hoping John and others don't care.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 19:52:24
I call for the question! Are cheap threats the answer to free speech?
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 19:30:03
Sorry to say that Benny Oliver's ditty bag will not be able for you to see on a bunk at Old Harbor Station because the station will be closing this Friday for the season. Friend Stephen Page turned the bag over to us several years ago. Stephen was a neighbor of Benny Oliver, both living across the street from the Holy Redeemer Catholic Church on Highland Avenue. Next door to what was the Funeral Home.. The number at the home was 1. Classmate Verne Hunt lived there. it was an easy number to remember .
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 19:29:38
BobR - I second the motion.
JimP
USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 19:18:33
Seems to me it that is time to relegate CAL to the circular file.
Bobr <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 17:51:35
Listened to many stories from Jake Worth when he and I worked at Chatham Furniture. Also Howard James and Malcolm Robbins had some great stories. Wish I had a recorder back then.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 14:07:48
Not spelling correctly this early in the morning. Sorry Uncle Chester, he was an Eldredge with an 'e' and Leander was the corrrect spelling for Mr. Raymond.
Barbara <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
SAn Diego, CA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 10:14:50
Benjamin Oliver Eldredge was my great uncle. I recently posted a picture of him on Facebook with his brother Ernest Eldredge who was also in the life saving service. Also in the picture was their brother Chester Eldridge and neighbor Lander Raymond.
Barbara <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
SAn Diego, CA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 10:13:05
When I was very little we "called" on "Uncle Ben" and I was asked to sit quietly on his lap while he told stories of the old days! I was too young to remember!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/26/2022 - 06:40:06
Jake was stationed in the Coast Guard at Monomoy Station with my grandfather., ca 1917 or so. I have not heard of his involvement with any German spies. That was most likely from a station on Long Island, where the Coast Guard on patrol in WWII DID apprehend several Germans who had landed from a sub offshore. That station has been restored and is now a museum.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 19:13:04
Richard, I spent many hours speaking with Jake Worth back in the day. He oft told of his sentry walks along the beach. If I recall correctly, didn't he ball-up a couple of German Saboteurs that had landed by German Submarine?

He was one of a kind.

JimP
USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 18:13:07
JimP, and any others interested:
When you read my book "Seashore Sentinel" you will get a good picture of how skilled men were hired based only on their abilities and were most certainly apolitical. Life then was much simpler. One of the crew probably did row across Pleasant Bay in a dory on a "liberty day" to get the mail and the latest newspaper.
The crew at Old Harbor Station in 1898 was the only crew that was on duty in any summer until the Coast Guard took over in 1915. The new 1898 crew was on guard/watch for any hostile Spaniards potentially landing as a result of the Spanish American war.
This is totally Chatham stuff.
Did any of you Chatham folks ever run across Benjamin Oliver Eldredge? Or Jake Worth, Or any other Life Savers that were still in our midst in the 1950's?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 17:37:17
I was the one with a word blocked. It was for Cal. It was not a bad word, but I could see why it was blocked. No worries.

This is what was blocked, you can figure it out. To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 10:53:05
If it walks like Q and talks like Q...Specifically, what words have I not used?

As for scoundrels, it takes one to know one.

Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 10:48:43
Cal - keep it decent there sunshine. No personal attacks. ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of scoundrels.

Use your words big boy.

JimP
USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 10:40:51
Please don't turn over your website to QMaga Jim one month before the most important election ever! He acts like he owns it already.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 10:10:50
John, good on ya!! Glad to hear you are well. Due to the slightly off-azimuth tenor of the posts of late, of which I have been a contributor, I'd be glad to host the site for the next month or two. Please shoot me a note back-channel as to how much and where to send the $$. I'd be glad to do so.

Lisa, agreed, hence why I used the word Defacto rather than Dejure.

Richard, your book is next up on my nightstand. Can't wait to get to it.

JimP
USA - Sun 09/25/2022 - 07:18:04
Wayne: you are a caring sole and I am glad to call you my friend.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 23:04:15
John, Good to hear from you. With all the goofy stuff that has been going on I was worried that you were okay because you had not dealt with it. I was going to stop by in the morning to see if you were okay but now I do not have to. Also as usual I like and understand your reasoning.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 21:22:08
Richard R: Addendum - And I have been a bit busy in last week+ so with the larger number of posts, it's likely that a few slipped past me.
Reading backwards, the first ones that I now see as problematic are those made by Cal because of use of a probable moniker and a non existent town used. And there's one post where my filters edited out a negative word, it appears.
Remember - if I do decide to remove a post, it's a somewhat involved manual editing process. So it's nothing I do lightly or often.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 20:35:30
Richard R: Actually I will still be here until end of November at least. I have been watching this daily and was allowing a bit more latitude than normal because of the linkage to Cape Cod on this national political issue. I haven't seen anything yet that I felt got too extreme or fell into personal attack category. It's possible that I might have missed a post or two that might have needed a slight warning in hindsight.

Y'all have seemed to behave yourselves reasonably well so I decided to let it go on partially because posting activity here makes the site more interesting to visit so it's sometimes a bit of a balancing act.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 20:22:39
John Hallgren must be on his way to Florida and not in touch with his computer, and the ChatHam Room, to monitor it .
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 19:05:10
Reagan's immigration reform and control act of 1986 made any immigrant who entered the US before 1986 eligible for amnesty and punished any employer who knowingly hired an illegal immigrant. The statute I cited still stands.
Lisa Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 18:14:11
Cal, exactly. Think about where i got that and why it is in quotes......
Jimp
USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 12:31:54
Mostly peaceful. Delusional. Okay, I get you.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 11:28:28
Has anyone in this country been charged with "insurrection" in the past couple years? Anyone...? If so, name them. Cute attempt at bringing the January 6th "mostly peaceful" protest into this. Do you feel the same with the occupation of State capitols by leftists? The seizure and succession attempt in Portland and Seattle by antifa and BLM goons with the CHOP and CHAZ movements?

I can do this all day.....

JimP
USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 11:21:15
Two questions:

Did someone claim these people were already citizens? And,

Is someone who supports insurrection a "legal" citizen? Just wondering.

Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 10:20:28
Oh, edit to add - they are NOT "legal," they just will not be deported or harassed until the culmination of their judicial proceeding. They are NOT nationals, Green-card holders, or naturalized citizens. They are in a legal hold until their case is decided. That does not equate to "legal citizens."
JimP
USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 08:21:25
Lisa the refugee act of 1980 was de facto disposed by the agreement between the border security agreement between Ronald Reagan and the democrats in 1986. The intent was to grant amnesty to the millions of illegals with in the Country and the democrats would then implement border security measures. Reagan upheld his par tof the bargain and, of course, the democrats then welched. This leads us to where we are today. An illegal alien crossing the border claiming asylum status is supposed to submit their application in the first safe state. Not the intended destination half way around the world. If/IF they get to our border, they are supposed to surrender themselves to a Entry Portal and make their claim there, not steal across the border in the middle of the night. They will be given a case number, and a notice to appear (NTA) at a court date to be held in the future. A VERY small percentage of illegals are actually granted status as asylees. There simply isn't he basis to do so from their origination. Almost ALL of these folk issued NTA's will fail to appear when, years later, their court date is set. There is no follow-up, there is no deportation, there is no incentive for them to actually appear as there is a very minimal chance of success. So, they claim DREAM Act, or appeal to emotion they are already here, they have children, and how they enrich our culture.

2 MILLION in Biden's first year; on track to hit 3 MILLION this year. I suggest you work hard, these people are going to need your money.

JimP
USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 08:18:04
... ( these apple laptops can insert and do things they are not suppose to do.) In control of the situation he is.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 07:56:11
Lisa
So because of what you just mentioned, two very important points
1. The US.Federal Gov't is not allowed to fund asylum seekers while their cases are waiting to be heard. So one way around this is to fund the churches who then can fund
2. Many of these court hearing as mentioned earlier, will more than likely not be held for years. Thus we have much different circumstances then we had in the 80's, the 90's etc.
3. In the now severe case of NYC, where the city government is picking up the tab, it was will soon become a case that there piggy bank will shatter and it will be interesting to see Myorica's position inj just ho

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 07:51:27
94 STAT 102 public law 96-212 March 17, 1980.
Lisa Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 06:21:05
According to the Refugee Act of 1980, refugees who have applied for asylum are in the US legally until their case is heard.
Lisa Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/24/2022 - 06:07:15
CAL, that URL you posted is so full of falsehoods, deflection, deception, and outright lies I almost burst into flames reading it.

You can do better.

Maybe go back and repost where "immigrants seeking political asylum" are to wait in the next safe State, NOT the intended destination State.

Also, please address how Maduro emptying his prisons and sending them here (as did Castro with the Mariel Boat lift) is enriching us. I'll wait.....

JimP
USA - Fri 09/23/2022 - 18:56:10
It is not anyone's concern to know how we will heat our house this winter.
I will say the last time we bought heating oil was in May of 2021. Yes. 2021. To fill two 2 double walled Roth fuel tanks with 400 gallons. We are down now to both tanks being at 1/4.
We do heat with wood, some scavenged locally - some purchased locally.
Due to us having 14 solar panels on the roof of our very modest house since 2018, we have not had an electric bill. And, I have installed a small wall mounted electric water heater to preheat the water going in to the oil fired boiler. Obviously, the System 2000 oil fired boiler doesn't come on very often.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/23/2022 - 17:51:30
National Grid has announced a 64% increase in electricity rates effective November 1st. Eversource is anticipated to announce a similar rate increase to National Grid.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/23/2022 - 11:33:59
Judy P and Richard

For the most part and just as it happened in MVY the local churches would be the folks who really step up. The Federal Gov't might fund some of the cost thru the churches. It's now known the Chatham church organizations are already stepping up there game.

However the situation will be more than looking for cots and air mattresses, I would think there would be an urgent need for good blankets as well. Natural Gas and home heating oil are up near 70% from 2020-fact. And Richard, Judy P mentions it was mighty cold at 42 degrees, Richard this year, my guess you will not be heating your cosy corner at any 70 degrees this year, that is unless you are one of these rich folks who plans on stepping up
John not sure where all the worry is about Citizens for Sanity is and while I an no fan of this organization who uses as Judith puts, it dark money, hell I never even heard of this group. But what I do know, is most of the time one hears and sees only what they wish to and disregards the rest as Paul Simon once suggested in his song "the Boxer."
Richard, Any folks coming to Chatham would arrive by bus.

The town of Chatham, just as any other town in New England, will have more important fish to fry, in their attempts to keep things normal as we knew it to be two years ago than worrying about desalination or any of these other groups spoken of,

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 09/23/2022 - 08:13:16
RIght On Barry!
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/23/2022 - 03:49:09
Richard - I find it totally ironic that Chatham would step up and house them at the Community Center if need be - when just last year our Town Manager stubbornly refused to keep the Community Center open at night for us when power had been out for days and many of us were freezing in our homes. My house was 42 degrees! One of my friends made the comment that " God forbid Chatham is portrayed like Martha's Vineyard"!! Perfect response!
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 19:16:35
Todays Chronicle delineates what would happen if a planeload of people were dropped off at the Chatham Airport. Just what I thought would happen ;the best of the Chatham folks would step up, without a moments hesitation.
Just like we all stepped up in the mid 50's to welcome some poor souls from the Hungarian revolution. Now, the Hungarians are forgetting their past and rejecting immigrants.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 19:11:55
Citizens for Sanity is funded with dark money, which always demands suspicion in my book. If people are proud of the material they fund, why hide? Trust but verify. Do some research. It's not difficult.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 18:44:34
John - The ad was placed by Citizens for Sanity and anyone can check out their website. Www:citizensforsanity.org - NOT Citizens for Safety. The ad was placed to infuriate liberals and it served its purpose from the discussions I've heard.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 18:34:12
I have a copy of the ad if anyone wants to see it.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 17:38:19
That entry was a "Paid Advertisement"- nothing to do with the paper itself. However, when our subscription expires we are gone. I don't need to read about fishing off the coast of Rhode Island, or walking trails in RI.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 16:15:28
The ad was placed by "Citizens for Safety" and was intended to upset liberal thinking people. It was written so poorly that no one I have spoken with has taken it seriously. Apparently, they have placed a series of ads and billboards all over the country. I am sometimes critical of the Cape Cod Times fir being a day or more behind the news of the day. Many of the articles are about areas not on or near Cape Cod. Three "Citizens for Safety" board members were at one time part of the Trump Administration.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 15:35:45
John - Ed Lambert read it on the radio this morning. I agree with the Barry and Josie. I am with the others as far as the CC Times - but would love to read/see it as I was rushing around and didn't hear all of it. Any way you can type it here? I seem to remember being in disbelief with the little I heard.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 14:46:15
RIght On Barry!
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 13:13:29
John Whelan; You cannot believe anything that is printed in that paper(Rag.) It's nothing but a left leaning BS paper, that my Wife and I cancelled our subscription a year ago.
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 12:59:48
I would like to point out the full page statement found on Page 5A of today's Cape Cod Times. I am interested in how CHAT-M-Room participants interpret the statement. I don't know who "The Citizens for Sanity" are, and wonder just what they are trying to say. I can not believe it is an honest statement by an actual group of Martha's Vineyard residents. Any ideas or thoughts?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 11:25:57
Richard, one of my former students works for the city of Portland, OR where the wastewater goes through a vigorous process of separating the solid waste from the water. Solid waste after being processed is used as biofuel. The liquid waste is throughly cleaned before it goes into the Columbia River.

San Diego, CA has a desalinization plant that turns salt water into drinking water. It is costly, but it can be done.

CarolC
Humboldt County, CA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 10:56:10
Richard, one of my former students works for the city of Portland, OR where the wastewater goes through a vigorous process of separating the solid waste from the water. Solid waste after being processed is used as biofuel. The liquid waste is throughly cleaned before it goes into the Columbia River.

San Diego, CA has a desalinization plant that turns salt water into drinking water. It is costly, but it can be done.

CarolC
Humboldt County, CA, USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 10:55:32
Maybe this will help. https://www.masslive.com/news/2022/09/are-the-migrants-flown-to-marthas-vineyard-legally-in-the-us-this-and-other-questions-explained.html
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 10:10:26
These people did not enter this country legally. What is so difficult to understand??
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/22/2022 - 05:56:56
Bob, are you telling me that the Chatham treated waste water is NOT being reintroduced to the aquifer? It only takes a 100 foot separation from a domestic well to a septic point of discharge/ a leach field.. That is for a title 5 system.
I wonder who decided that the Chatham sewage treatment system should be allowed to discharge treated effluent in to the adjacent seas., rather than to the aquifer.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 19:18:21
Shipboard desalinization usually uses waste energy from fossil or nuclear fueled power plants, and only larger ships generate much water. Chatham has neither capability, and generating heat from electricity or natural gas are non-starters here as well. Reverse osmosis works too, but efficiency is notably less. It's a matter of scale. I suspect that Mother Nature, even when she's finicky, creates far more fresh water than desalinization ever could.
I might argue that perhaps we should be dispersing our (very nicely) treated wastewater back into the Cape's water table rather than directly into the plume that flows out into Nantucket Sound. That's what distributed septic systems could accomplish fairly well if we had an effective way to deal with the pollutants. No easy answer...

Bob F <robertef45@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 17:41:20
My latest entry was based on facts - in an attempt to bring to bring some honest reporting, and a diversion, to the ChatMRoom. I have photos of the plant being built. It was transported from California. In the US Navy, stuff happens that most folks have no clue about. Can you imagine green water going over the flight deck of the USS Forrestal on a trip back from the Med? A Chatham Navy man told me of this when I was on the USS Intrepid.
Our ships had a "Water King", an enlisted man who oversaw the evaporators to ensure that we had drinking water and water for the steam catapults. We all tried to avoid "water hours", where showers were not allowed.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 17:35:11
Desalination, yes Chatham is still in a drought condition, but if the Chatham Officials are speaking truth, this issue will all be worked out over the next weeks or sooner.

However, back to back .75% interest rate hikes might, might stop some of the inflation, but you can bet it will be off the backs of the "little People." Even if you have cash or assets and you place your funds in the Cape Cod 5 or the COOP, you will still be losing 3-4%/month. And Groceries. even food stamps will be blown away by this action. In the mean time Build Back America is spending multi millions to provide free internet to communities and hidden cameras to fight crime on subway systems. Branches of the American Civil Liberties Union are calling out this solution in sanctuary cities- foul. This, from the very folks who are calling out defund the police and where this is one of their solutions.

Time to start buying frozen food goods and putting them away or get out to do your Christmas Shopping early as your money will by less at the very moment prices will on the moving upward, a compound fracture to say the least. And if you are buying one of those electric cars as one of the solutions to energy, wait till you hear the new upcoming sticker prices. And wait till the addition of 10% ethanol kicks in and carburtors start sticking or fuel injectors start clogging. Start producing more oil in the near term over the next 1-3 years and see how fast this inflation goes away.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 17:13:25
In 1964, a GE desalination plant was built at the Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. It used lots of diesel fuel to achieve the desired results. Why did this plant need to be built? Because the Admiral (Medal of Honor recipient Bulkley) had the water pipe coming from inland Cuba cut because Fidel Castro accused us of stealing the water. The Admiral would show the world!
So, the dependents were sent home, and us sailors did not have to wear whites. No doubt improvements have been made to water plants since then.
By the way, I still have a water sample produced by that plant. The engineers came to the Naval Hospital Pharmacy for some small bottles, so I asked for one of the water samples in trade.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 13:33:14
These people did not enter this country legally. What is so difficult to understand??
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 13:23:07
Over the last 10 years, California lost more than 1.625 million net domestic migrants, From MSN in 2020.

California state's population declined by 173,000 between July 1, 2020, and July 1, 2021, LA times.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 13:11:40
"Calm down" is such an outdated, condescending put-down it is a joke.
I don't "hear" news, I read it. If I do not have a fact, I look it up.

The net migration from CA in 2021 was about 250,000 out of 40,000,000 people. It's not much different in MA. 46,000 "net" moved out of Massachusetts, from a population of 7,000,000. You can do the math.

My in-laws are long gone and deserve to rest in peace, thanks.

Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 12:55:42
Wow, Cal, calm down. Who are your in-laws? I know/knew everyone on Scatteree. Those people on MV are not here legally, not sure where you heard that. In 2021, CNBC reports that 360,000 people left CA, that's the "move rate". The LA Times reports even higher numbers since 2018. Incoming illegals no doubt are not in that count. It's not a "lie from the right". Also, to call a concern about crime in our town and surrounds committed by growing numbers of illegal aliens is hardly racist. There are many wonderful people coming in, but they need to do so legally. However, there are way too many who are not, and they are here making our area unsafe for many.
M Reed <ccblues@comcast.net>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 12:34:25
John Hallgren; PLEASE do something about the personal attacks going on in this room. If you have rules you wish to have people abide by, enforce them!
Judith
Harwich, USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 12:15:38
Oh, do I need to prove something? My in-laws lived on Scatteree Road for fifty years. Chatham is a drinking village with a fishing problem. The best fish n' chips is at the Jailhouse in Orleans, but OMG the Impudent Oyster is good. I have dropped many dollars into your quaint little racist village.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 11:27:35
Alan, Cal is a ~~~~~~~~ with no ties to Chatham. Look up what cal dreamer is. I suggest that you do not respond to this poster.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 11:19:54
Racism is racism. There is no big exodus from California - turns out it is another lie from the right. You are correct about the state's public education system, which was largely by the passage of Proposition 13 in 1978, and roundly abused by the so-called charter school movement. These are facts and your comments are racist. Levity, my posterior.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 10:20:21
Cal
How did my levity turn into racism? However it is fact and should you choose, I can provide gov't info as such that it is happening in other jurisdictions I am not making this "stuff" up. And I let you in on 2 clues Cal, not all Venezuela folks are legal, how can they be when they just walk across the border. And those folks that do turn themselves over to authorities are given court dates, not months but years out, that they will problem never attend. With the backlog such as it is, they more than likely will not come before a judge for years in including those that made their visit to MVY.

And by the way can you explain why there is a mass exit from Ca. of law abiding citizens or why the Ca. education system 15 years ago was the best in the county and why it is near the bottom ranking now, some have it at 44 out of 50 states, others slightly better, but no where near the top 10.

alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 10:11:00
Background: California was part of Mexico for hundreds of years. Forty percent of our population is hispanic - that's about 16 Million American citizens. More than 35,0000 of them have died from COVID. It is interesting to note that the Venezuelans carted off to the Vineyard are here legally. It's not likely they will blow their chances at staying by stealing your Mercedes. That's just racism.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 09:52:33
And then of course the more skilled technicians, walk right into locked houses at 4 in the morning when people are in their deep sleeps,, take the keys off the kitchen table and drive away with a Mercedes and a BMW 7 series. And a place like Chatham, would be a prime super market for these guys.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 09:28:41
Now the MV illegals are filing a lawsuit. Here illegally, and they turn around and sue. Disgusting. This state is out of control and we will pay the costs of this travesty.
M Reed <ccblues@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 09:18:13
And yes, skilled catalytic converter specialists, can take one down in less than 3-5 min with the average Joe thinking they suddenly have a dragging muffler problem
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 09:06:43
Jim P
I think we see "life thru the same lens." These concepts of defund the police and no cash bail are just a few policies that are ruining cities like NYC and Philly to mention a few. Imagine a convicted felon on on the streets of Chatham, letting a few rounds go and killing 2-3 people. Chatham Police arresting the culprit because the Squires camera having the whole event on video and in less than 24 hrs, these folks being back on the street, in many cases doing the same thing. Or parking your car on the street, only to find out your catalytic converter is missing, when you return from your shopping.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 09:02:05
Tommy, perhaps it is a subject for the Finance Committee.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 08:43:46
John, In case you haven't noticed we have water all around us. I don't care how much it costs to build these plants, we better start worrying about it before the cape goes dry or polluted by too many people.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Wed 09/21/2022 - 07:05:00
I agree very much with Dick Fulcher. If they can put desalination machines of ships, the towns or Cape as a whole should be thinking very seriously about it.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 23:31:30
Alan, spot-on. The sex trafficking alone down here is out of control. The Bexar country sheriff would do well to try to get a handle on that alone. But we're over run with illegals. I have a teen aged daughter I worry VERY much about whenever she leaves the house, as does everyone else down here with young girls.

About once a month they roll up a truck/van/several vehicles of trafficked children here in Bexar (San Antonio) alone. I'd throw rocks at the Sheriff for being a hypocrite but even he is overrun. Texas is full. We spend Billions (Billions with a B) each year trying to tend to the millions of illegals streaming across the border. Ranchers are going broke; businesses are being shut down due to theft, pilferage, and violence. Homes are looted, pets are killed, vehicles are routinely ransacked and stolen.

But hey, I hope the folks from Martha's Vineyard don't wear themselves out patting themselves on the back with how they handled 50.

JimP
USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 21:32:23
Hello
Some in the room seem to have a long term worry about heat and water for migrants -could be years. In the mean time, we have a now concern. Today the NYC Mayor reported he has been asking for Federal Aid for 2 months- so far none has been forth coming. If he is not getting help, how does CapeCod towns expect they will get any kind of assistance.
Today it was reported that the Federal Gov,t is not required to fund asylum seekers (ie Venezuelans and others). Huh? This is further compounded that these asylum seekers are on no work mandates. And the mess goes on. Do not understand what you are speaking of Judith P when you speak of half's truths or no truths. This entire ugly situation is out there on film for everyone to see, and to date, we hear the Tx border is secure and under control. Control by who, the Cartels.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 18:17:25
BillP - I never cease to be amazed at the amount of people that believe the reporting on the news these days. Doesn't matter what station - it's all insane. Half truths or no truths - just ridiculous. Good news reporting has followed the way of the weather forecasters . Whatever fits the narrative.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 18:05:54
Bill P, you missed my point. Mine was only one example in Chatham. A friend of mine in Dennis was also a victim of an illegal. I was also called for jury duty this year and my case was an illegal's DUI. NONE of this was part of our lives a few years ago. I can imagine the court costs we all pay for what must be quite a few similar cases that did not need to happen if we only held our elected officials to account and demand legal migration only. Don't forget the gangs that will expand business now in Hyannis and surrounds, gangs that didn't exist a generation ago. Mass is a magnet for them. This is not the Cape Cod we grew up with, not by a long shot. Too many are in denial. It's so sad we aren't working hard enough to leave it better for our children. Letting literally millions of unvetted illegals in will be felt by EVERYONE negatively soon enough.
M Reed <ccblues@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 17:02:39
BillP - I never cease to be amazed at the amount of people that believe the reporting on the news these days. Doesn't matter what station - it's all insane. Half truths or no truths - just ridiculous. Good news reporting has followed the way of the weather forecasters . Whatever fits the narrative.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 16:48:38
Dick, I am well aware of desalinization. At this time, it in use in Saudi Arabia and a few other countries. The process is very expensive and only effective if
there is an ocean or sea nearby. The technological advance I am hoping for is some way to reduce the cost substantially. I'm sure some really smart people are working on it.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 16:37:59
Pardon me, JimP, I did not know that you lived in Bexar County.

Judith from Harwich, I am recording the Ken Burns documentary on PBS regarding The Holocaust. I think we all should watch it to help prevent such atrocities from happening. The first time I watched footage of the Holocaust was as a student in the Chatham School System.

John is correct that there will be greater migration of people globally as the climate continues to change. We need to prepare for it. And we need to work together.

Carol C
Humboldt County, CA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 16:22:17
Texas sheriff has zero authority in FLA. This is what's wrong with news today.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 14:17:01
Carol: nope. Not legally. You DO know I live in Bexar county....right?

Do you have the same outrage when this administration flies them around the country in the middle of the night dropping them off in red states? Spare me your feigned indignation you bunch of hypocrites

These folks were on the Island less than 48 hours and you used the military and law enforcement to ship them off to a military base. We'll done. We should do the same down here.

Jimp
USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 13:49:26
That Texas Sheriff has no clue what laws if any were broken and he's the SHERIFF! Now that's BROKEN!
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 13:47:15
JimP, the immigrants were here legally. The Bexar County Sheriff in Texas has opened an investigation into what had transpired. First, he stated that the Venezuelans were here legally.He said there was a Venezuelan that was paid to lure other Venezuelans. They were told lies. First they were flown to Florida, then flown to Martha's Vineyard unannounced. The cost to fly each immigrant was $12,000. We all know even if one travels to Florida from anywhere in the country that the cost of a flight is significantly lower even if one flies first class.
Now, to change the subject back to Chatham, has anyone grown Beach Plums from seeds? My brother sent me some seeds from North Chatham along with a book of Beach Plum recipes. My mom would make a delicious beach plum jelly. I tried (unsuccessfully) to start the seeds last summer. I plan on trying again and wonder if I should refrigerate the seeds first.

Carol C
Humboldt County, CA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 12:22:12
https://youtu.be/yenhpL6LO2E

San Antonio's County Sheriff speaks.
Someone better call a lawyer - or two.

Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 12:08:58
I highly recommend the Ken Burns documentary The US and the Holocaust, which I began watching last night on channel 2. I learned a lot. There are important lessons to be learned regarding the way people who are considered "different"are treated.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 09:36:19
Sorry folks. Don't know how that below text got on here. Glitz in the matrix ( or my stupidity....).
Jimp
USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 08:19:41
Point of clarification: we're NOT talking immigrants. We're talking illegal aliens. We are pro legal immigration in this Country. Most of us are immigrants. It's what we believe in. Present yourself at a port of entry, fill out the paperwork, attend your hearing. Easy day.

Not migrants, not undocumented persons, not immigrants: illegal aliens. It is still the legal term in the US Code.

Jimp
USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 08:17:52
John, As far as the water problem you wish for a technological breakthrough, there has been one for years. Salt water desalinization plants. Cape Cod would be smart to begin thinking about regional plants to be constructed as we have plenty of water to treat. With all of our problems with water it would behoove us to get with it.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Tue 09/20/2022 - 07:28:47
Richard - I warned you twice this is exactly what would happen with your comments that were way off base. Twice. I think this has been an extremely informative discussion- whether it's about Chatham or not. Maybe in the future be careful about what you ask for.
JudyP
USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 20:02:52
Then don't start the subject in the first place Richard.
JimP
USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 19:55:23
Standing by for when factual entries about Chatham are offered.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 19:30:26
Point of clarification: we're NOT talking immigrants. We're talking illegal aliens. We are pro legal immigration in this Country. Most of us are immigrants. It's what we believe in. Present yourself at a port of entry, fill out the paperwork, attend your hearing. Easy day.

Not migrants, not undocumented persons, not immigrants: illegal aliens. It is still the legal term in the US Code.

Jimp
USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 16:55:40
There was a pretty white girl robbing a lot of people in Chatham a few years ago. They finally caught her.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 15:51:01
M Reed, thieves come in all shape, sizes and color.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 15:48:29
Seven or so years ago, I was recommended a painter by the person who installed my new gas furnace. The painter came, gave me a quote and I hired him. On the day, two painters came and he was not one of them. They were two young people, one male one female, neither spoke English well. It wasn't until weeks later that I discovered what had gone on when I ran a quick errand. They robbed me of no small amount, getting into a locked area and getting through a difficult space to access. I have no doubt they were here illegally and most likely had been doing this across the Cape. This will only escalate as more get here who broke the law to do so in the first place. Many, many of these are people are from lawless cultures to begin with. We are making a huge mistake in thinking they are all the same God-fearing Christians as some are. I cringe when I see people treating them all as helpless victims. If they got here, they are not helpless.
M. Reed <ccblues@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 12:44:59
John
This immigration thing is an extreme near term problem. And Europe, many of these countries are handling it now, but again it's not due to heat and water. The current solution for these countries if they are in a bind and don't know what to do, is to provide a tourist visa and a 1 way airline ticket to Mexico..

Court dates, many are now just crossing the river and walking right in, many with cartel assistance. And humanity, the cartels could give a dam about this. And MVY and Chatham you have no idea of who has come or will be coming.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 09/19/2022 - 07:52:20
Alan, my earlier email referred to a wholesale mass migration that I believe will occur all over the world, in time. As water becomes more and more scarce and the peoples of lands already so hot as to threaten human life, masses of people will migrate away from the equator. I'm thinking ten years from now. The immigration issue will be one of the life and death issues all over the world. I'd like to be less pessimistic. I have hoped some technological breakthrough could ease the shortage of water, but I haven't seen it yet. That does not deny the present problem, but I only expect it to get worse. Europe might have to deal with it before ten years.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 22:56:26
John
Your email of 9-16, seems to suggest that the immigrant/refugee problem is just beginning, maybe for Chatham, but for everyone else in the USA, it has been ongoing for 2 years. Your newest email suggests there is hatred and exaggeration ongoing, I assure you, I' m not interested in hate but I' m first interested in seeing there is an acknowledgement there is/are problem(s)(s). How can you begin to have compromise if one insists there is no problem?

It s now recognized that the largest current flow of refugees is currently coming from Venezuela and the last I knew, this country is having no difficulty with climate change or lack of water as your Sept 16 email seems to suggest.

Most of the free world recognizes that Venezuela's main problem is Nicolas Maduro. Who? And now it as come to Chatham and Cape Cod. Folks in the NE will soon begin to start asking where all the oil is going and at what prices? The affluent Chatham residents will all be engaged with their Generac generators, but what is the average joe going to do?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 22:15:23
Well said John! My old friend.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 19:04:18
Just reading the recent entries on the CHAT-M-Room makes me sad. The immigrant problem is ongoing and strident comments from conservatives and liberals will not make it go away. The obvious hatred makes compromise impossible. And this is only one subject of many. If political campaigns are to be fought with exaggerated, hateful campaigns, our country is in real trouble. My hope is that we all lower our intensity and start conversations about the problems of the country.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 17:48:37
Judith
No propaganda here, only facts coming from the gov't or characters being interviewed on live broadcasts by the networks. When ever news comes out that is near impossible to spin, it becomes the fault of Fox News. It was only 5 months ago that we were being told by the gov't that we were in a temp. inflationary period. And now, either paychecks or social security along with our savings have had decreasing purchasing power at the rate of 8% or more per month as indicated by the US Gov't., no leaked data. My guess, when the gov't figures eventually come out for Aug and Sept, we will be seeing the same thing. And if by total chance, we get a drop off to 6-7%, what will this be called, 1 or 2% growth? And yet people believe these stories. Where are the costs of these midnight flights being published? Pretty soon we will be hearing that the unannounced flights are being paid with frequent flyer points.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 16:05:03
I know John is very busy, but I wish he could manage this site better if he has rules regarding national political opinions he wants people to abide by. And I wish people would not engage in vitriolic speech and propaganda. Meanwhile: Consider sources. The Center for Immigration Studies has the following cities designated as Sanctuary Cities in MA: Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Concord, Lawrence, Newton, Northhampton and Somerville. MV is not among them.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 14:38:19
It has been an interesting discussion to follow the past few days -I'll give you that! Regardless of which side one is on, there's some serious stuff going on in our country that needs to be taken dealt with. On another note . .
One of my friends and I just returned from the Cranberry Festival in Harwich. It was located in the field behind their beautiful Community Center. 190 vendors there. Quite the event. Bringing this back to Chatham - there is no reason in the world our Community Center could not be more welcoming to our seniors. It sits empty most of the day. Chatham officials need to do their homework - Harwich has us
beat. No need to spend 5+Million for a social club when what we have more than suffices.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 12:44:17
Alan, my source was Business Insider for the $615,000. I read lots of different newspapers every day. Have a good day!
Carol C <sorrow_grunt.0f@icloud.com>
Eureka, CA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 12:42:54
Jimmy D, I'll send you the posters from MV proclaiming themselves a sanctuary city in a separate venue. I don't think John's site will allow attachments. Hope you are well!!!
JimP
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 12:36:52
Carol
You must be sitting on Fl, Or. or Tx. Finance committee to make a statement that it costs $615;000 for rides to MVY. How much are these middle of the night flights costing? And now a new word, "choreographed". It was just 10 days ago, that the VP Harris indicated the border was secure-fact FYI the mayor New York, was on a live broad cast that his city has handled some 10 bus loads of migrants, and the city is about ready to burst, but he is on the phone with Fed officials asking for some type of relief, fact and if you wish to check its video streaming. Tx. Currently taking in 10
times amount and more per day, with no reported major Fed assistance. And now fact it is being suggested that the Fl and Tx govs. set up a summit meeting. Seems to me that the President and Vice Presl should be doing this! Is there any plan?
assistance

Finally those supporting the administration are asking that Gov. Abbott and Gov DeSantis to set up a summit

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 12:30:36
We have a locally-sourced blog in Southern Humboldt, CA that reminds me of this place. https://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/

Enjoy!

Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 12:15:06
I would like to to point out that neither Florida or Massachusetts are "border states". The Florida governor paid $615,000 Covid-relief tax dollars to a private aviation company based in Oregon to charter the flight from San Antonio, Texas to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. This occurred a week after Labor Day when most of the snowbirds have left for the winter. This was a political stunt choreographed by the Governors of Florida, Texas and Arizona. California's Governor Newsom has challenged DeSantis to a debate over his decision to the transportation of immigrants to Martha's Vineyard.

The folks on Martha's Vineyard did not make the immigrants leave - they were given a choice! The Joint Base Cape Cod (JBCC) is a full scale, joint-use base home to five military commands training for missions at home and overseas, conducting airborne search and rescue missions, and intelligence command and control. And I would expect the people of Chatham would do the same if this occurred at Chatham Airport.

I have many happy memories of riding to Otis Airfare Base in the 1960's with my granny Carol whose husband was a retired Colonel. Granny would go to Otis to pick up her medications and would treat my brothers and I to BLT sandwiches and ice cream sodas at the PX.

I am thankful I live in California with a population of 40,000,000 and is the fifth largest economy in the world. I am thankful that Governor Newsom and his First Partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom are caring compassionate people.

I have family that still live in Chatham and on Cape Cod. I have not been to Chatham since 2019 because of the pandemic. And yes, there are many immigrants from South America that I met working at Liberty Commons when my mom was in Hospice Care there.

Carol C <sorrow_grunt.0f@icloud.com>
Eureka, CA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 11:19:45
It was implied that Martha's Vineyard is a "Sanctuary City". Ron Desantis said that Massachusetts is a "Sanctuary State". Neither is true.

It was proposed that Massachusetts be a Sanctuary State a couple times, but it was always voted down. There are Sanctuary Cities in Massachusetts, but none of them are on Cape Cod. Those cities are Boston, Cambridge, Concord, Ipswich, Newton and Somerville.

I agree that people should do their own independent research.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 11:15:03
Fox News, how did this come into the mix? I just placed some facts on the screen from what are suppose to be gov't reliable sources. For example, Fannie Mae, is a gov't sponsored enterprise under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency (HFFA). Not Fox News.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 10:12:21
And I do agree with you JimP that the border states should not have to deal with this alone. It's a United States problem. It's similar to the local issue of homelessness where Hyannis bears the brunt. That's not fair either. We all have to step up to do our part.
Amy
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 10:04:35
Yeah folks, I'm out. Best of luck to you all. I don't want to further pollute John's site or test his patience. Let's deal with this as adults and quit demonizing the border States who have to deal with this on an exponential level. 150,000 per month in Texas. What makes you think we have the resources to deal with it?

You see a few drowned children, or deal with a few unaccompanied three-year olds who are tossed over the border and abandoned, and you tend to look at it a little differently. it's always the children that get me.....whether having their throats cut in Iraq by ISIS, or hundreds of drowned babies tossed into a makeshift morgue in Haiti after a tropical storm, or tossed over the border by the cartels, the kids didn't ask for this. It makes me want to cry each and every time.

On this we can agree. Let's be better as a country and stop this insanity.

JimP
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 10:00:13
Torrents of political speech this past week. Where's Judy when we need her?
Lisa Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 09:52:24
Well....then....AMY......maybe, just MAYbe they should NOT proclaim themselves a "Sanctuary City!!!!"

Come on folks!! This is easy stuff.

Kind of like Chatham (to bring this back to local news), declaring themselves a "nuclear-free zone" some years back. That was hysterical. But...I guess it was effective, there's been no Aircraft Carriers refueling at the fish pier.

Fox News..?? why bring news into this at all?? They are all the same. Do your independent research. Think people...THINK.

JimP
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 09:39:17
Well said JimP. !!
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 09:35:14
If I wanted a regurgitation of Fox News, I would turn on that channel. I do not expect it in the chat room. I would also point out that the Cape is stepping up and providing the services these migrants need. A small island off the coast is not well equipped to handle their needs; MV did what it could to help.
Amy
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 09:24:38
Yeah Alan, but we don't have mean tweets anymore. Jeesh. 31 Trillion in debt (that's Trillion with a T), highest inflation in 40 years; mortgages are unaffordable; lowest job participation rate; war looming in the near future with a peer competitor (China); groceries up - in some cases - 40%; we are no longer a net producer of petroleum; over two million illegals in Biden's first year and on track to hit three million this year; and on and on and on. We have a dementia-addled, dried-husk of a sock-puppet running the country but no mean tweets.

Were I a "Sanctuary City," I'd be setting up some cots and getting ready to start making some happy meals. Oh...and I'd raise your taxes. These services don't come cheap. But you are all happy to help from what I'm hearing. Maybe get a second job to help pay for all all this. I hear the Cape needs mowers, bricklayers, dishwashers, etc. Time to step up folks. Put your money where your mouth is.

JimP
USA - Sun 09/18/2022 - 08:30:48
Sooty huge not Hugh it's getting late for me
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 23:09:55
The very folks who might have wished to help and raise their hands are now in need of assistance themselves!!!! Some might give the shirt off their back to help, but with 25% of the USA population having no shirt to give, something has to give. This 25% is a Hugh number and couch it however you wish, this cannot go on!!!! Forgive me, some of these ostriches need to take their head out of the Cape Cod sand
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 23:03:02
"Put your hands up," now there's one for you. Some seem to be suggesting that this is a matter of welcoming folks or not. Some seem to think that the crisis at the border of tx. Is a racial one whether it is black or Hispanic and it's moved to cape cod. It's now proven fact, that 1 out of every 4 households are not meeting their bill payments and its growing worse day by day.
The inflation rate in July again rose to levels of 8% -fact. The administration is calling out that because the inflation rate did not grow to levels of 9 or 10%, that the US is at zero inflation rate. How can this be? This is the height of hipocrosy by some understanding what is really going on.

And again for anyone to even seeming imply that the police, border patrol or any law enforcement agency take pleasure in attempting to curb gross illegality is laughfulable.

There is a 5 alarm fire out there in a high rise building. The firemen are inside attempting to save lives, they need more battalions and the building is about to collapse. After the event, while the trucks were left "in the house, we get gee, I thought I smelled smoke." Yea,where is all this help you promised? "Build back America, a real inflation fighter-economics 101, spending more grows inflation, and how is this working out, the average home mortgage rate has now risen to 6.1%, highest rate since 2008, fact published by Fanny Mae. And what is the plan, to hike interest rates again. Believe what you wish, but wait until winter sets in for Chatham and cape cod.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 22:32:33
The two southern governors did exactly as they said they would if the Federal Government didn't get a hold on an issue that lies with them. How can those states, or any of the border states be expected to absorb these responsibilities ad infinitum? If the mayors and governors of these liberal cities and states are to encourage endless illegal immigration, then they should be feeding, clothing, and housing the same people. Like Jim said, if they come through a Border Entry that is one thing, but for the southern border to be a free for all and for the taxpayers to continuously pick up the tab, how long before we are completely under water. Not to mention what an insult it is to the individuals and families who have waited for years and spent countless amounts of money to enter this country and become a naturalized citizen.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 21:55:48
JimP, yes Gay Head/Aquinnah has always been home to the Wampanoag people. Once the entire Island was ours although landownership was not a concept we embraced. Eventually, we were pushed onto the western part of Martha's Vineyard when Christianity came into play. Only recently has the term reservation been used when referencing both Aquinnah and Mashpee, too offensive a term previously I surmise. I find it a bit amusing how all tribes seemed to have been pushed westward if at all possible...
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 21:44:08
Jim I would let it go, unless you like banging your head against the wall. You'll never convince people around here.

You are right, the same people scolding you are proud the Police and National guard rounded them up and shipped them to the AB under police escort, like they really had a choice.

Put your hands up if you offered them a room in your house!

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 21:08:25
Jill - spot on!! Weren't there some Gay Head tribes there as well? Native Americans had all of that...until we pushed them off. Not very sanctuary-like if you ask me. We can do do better. Think of all the jobs going unmet on the island. Should have been an easy fix for these 50 folks. Not like it's 5,000 per day like Texas has to absorb.

Martha's Vineyard should probably withdraw their "Sanctuary Island" claim after this fiasco. For shame.....

JimP
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 21:03:42
Just a reminder that Martha's Vineyard has never been an "exclusively
white Island". The Wampanoag tribe has been there for over 12,000 years and continue to live there.

Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 20:46:05
John, I could tell. They were ushered off the Island within hours. I'd not call that welcoming. Ya'll know that this administration has been flying these folks around the country in the dead of night for the last 18 months...right? No notice, no warning, no pre-notification to the local governments: just fly them into a red state and drop them off at 0300 in the morning. Why is it OK for Biden to do it but not two Governors to do it in the transparent light of day? Especially when those States are being overrun by the MILLIONS?

I'm well aware of the extremely wealthy black community on the Vineyard, hence my expectation that they'd be more welcoming. The very same people that made millions off blaming whitey, set up shop in an exclusively white Island. Not Chicago...., not Detroit...., not Newark..., Martha's Vineyard. Huh.... Barrack Hussein Obama, Spike Lee, Oprah, etc. Interesting. I'd thought they'd be a little more....accommodating. They darned sure got those brown folks off the Island before dark didn't they?

I guess diversity for thee...., but not me me. I get it.

MSNBC...?? Seriously...?? Comic books are more accurate. Come on Richard, step up. Bring your A game.

JimP
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 20:04:55
Thanks John.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 19:03:48
Jim, I'm sure you know that Martha's Vineyard is the home to one of the favorite
vacation spots for black people. Oak Bluffs has a significant black population and is hardly a tony, white resort. Our Governor offered the military base because over 300 people were successfully sheltered there after Hurricane Katrina. The people of the Vineyard were very welcoming.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 17:52:21
If you care to discern the truth, check out the MSNBC interview with State Rep Fernandes about how these people were welcomed, and humanely dealt with, on the Vineyard. The shame belongs to two Governors. Not to the Islanders. The islanders did NOT cause their removal.
My question to the Chatham people was "are you ready to assimilate some more people dropped off unannounced at the Chatham Airport?"
There are good hearted souls in the Town of Chatham that would step up in a heartbeat. Judy P is probably one of them.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 17:34:57
I know Richard. I just wish more folks up there in Massachusetts - especially the all-white, tony enclaves - would be more accepting of people of color. They enrich the area, bring their culture, and work ethic with them. Very family oriented and overwhelmingly Christian. I just wish the Islanders were a bit more tolerant of our brown brothers. It's embarrassing what they did.
JimP
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 16:07:53
These folks were not "thrown off the Island". They were given a choice and offered to be housed temporarily on Joint Base Cape Cod. Here on the Cape, we have many hundreds of Jamaican workers year round as well as workers from Brazil. They are respected for their work ethic and welcomed by most.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 14:21:58
Cal, I'm with ya buddy!! I'm loving the culture here in San Antonio. Some real decent, peaceful, hard-working folks. Too bad Martha's Vineyard threw them off the Island, I'm sure there's plenty of work up there for them. Kinda puts the lie to their "Sanctuary City" claim. They should be ashamed. Maybe the sanctuary cities on the Cape will absorb them and benefit from their diversity and work ethic.
JimP
USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 13:39:04
We in California have a lot in common with the people of MA. A long coastline, generally liberal, generally sane politics, and hispanic migrants. A few hundred years after hispanic culture arrived here, Mom's side fought in the revolution "back east" and made way for Dad's family to arrive - in California, of all places! California has many problems, but our hispanic heritage is not one of them. We need these people in this country, dark pigment and all. I recommend picking up a bit of the language. And Lord, let's hope some will open a decent restaurant on the cape. As much as I love fish n' chips, we need more spice in life.
Cal <ca.dreamer@yahoo.com>
The Golden Dream, CA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 10:19:26
In 1962 I was a toddler living in North Chatham. I remember my granny and my mom talking about the 'Reverse Freedom Riders' https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/02/29/809740346/the-cruel-story-behind-the-reverse-freedom-rides

Innocent people were told lies and empty promises. 60 years later I am a senior and here we are again!

This was not a prank by the MAGA GOP but an act of evil. They need to be voted out of office.

Carol C <sorrow_grunt.0f@icloud.com>
Eureka, CA USA - Sat 09/17/2022 - 10:15:49
What's the old saying, out of site, out of mind. Well suddenly it has become a situation in site, in mind. The federal government insists the situation is under control. Really? And weather someone has a hearing in 4 months or 4 years, it will take huge amounts of time for most to stabilize themselves and be even simi self sufficient. Forget about low income housing for a second, what about having something to eat? Food banks are at their breaking point. And where are all these new sponsors coming from? Certainly not Chatham-New Yorkers. Most have left and will not care until they return next summer. A solution, someone has got to have few pass plays from the sidelines and I am not speaking of a few five yard screen plays. there is going to have to be some 50 yard touch down strikes.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 21:29:56
What's the old saying, out of site, out of mind. Well suddenly it has become a situation in site, in mind. The federal government insists the situation is under control. Really? And weather someone has a hearing in 4 months or 4 years, it will take huge amounts of time for most to stabilize themselves and be even simi self sufficient. Forget about low income housing for a second, what about having something to eat? Food banks are at their breaking point. And where are all these new sponsors coming from? Certainly not Chatham-New Yorkers. Most have left and will not care until they return next summer. A solution, someone has got to have few pass plays from the sidelines and I am not speaking of a few five yard screen plays. there is going to have to be some 50 yard touch down strikes.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 21:27:42
Sorry, these folks are all (almost universally) here illegally having failed to present themselves at a Border Entry Point. They are literally streaming across the border. If apprehended they are given a notice to appear and released. Catch and release. The asylum applicants are few and far between. Why do it legally when you can do it quicker with no penalties illegally? Don't listen to the news. Come on down and look for yourself. Heck, one day in the deal rio sector saw 115,000 Immigrants in one day. 115,000. You won't see the news report that as it goes against bathe current narrative.

You can dismiss my report here but homeland security is part of my portfolio. I see and deal with this daily. It is not made up nor a "manufactured" crisis. It is real and it is disgusting and inhumane.

Jimp
USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 17:14:17
I suspect many, if not most of us have ancestors from other countries who came to the US for a variety of reasons, not the least of which were famine and starvation. I am thankful my own Irish, Dutch and German ancestors survived.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 15:36:01
Jim, As best I can tell from news reports, most if not all of the people flown to MV and now on the Cape were in the USA legally - as asylum applicants (currently about 650,000 in USA waiting for their cases to be heard). Cases are supposed to be heard within 45 days of arrival, actually takes closer to 4 years - and current law generally does not provide for detention while application is pending. John is almost certainly correct that we will see more immigrants as is Richard in pointing out that the MV flights were just politics, not a serious effort at solving anything.
Ben K
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 15:09:40
I think the immigrant/refugee crisis is just beginning. As long as there are autocratic corrupt governments and gang war fare in Central and South America, more and more people will present themselves at our borders. This is true no matter who is President. Between the lack of opportunity there and the climate change and the lack of water, we should anticipate vast increase in immigrant/refugees in the future. The US was always "the land of opportunity" and most of our ancestors presented themselves at the borders years ago. I don't have a solution, but I think the issue will be much greater as time goes on.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 13:59:04
Judith, I actually like and respect Richard. You should hear me with someone I don't like. I must have struck a nerve with you. So, how many illegals can I sign you up for?

It's a little early for the Pearl clutching and running to the feinting couch. Don't You think?

Just this morning at 0600 on my way to work I gave some money to an illegal at an intersection. I told him to use it for bus fare to Cape Cod. True story. You all should welcome the diversity.

Jimp
USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 13:21:36
Judith - I don't see it so much as a "personal attack " as to what voters voted for. When the reality hit this week everyone started screaming NIMBY. Be careful who you vote for next time. The majority of folks have now had a taste of their own medicine with what they voted for. Be thankful you don't live in TX. We have very little to complain about here in Chatham (except the water mess and how it's been mismanaged by the town) - those of us that live in Chatham that is.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 12:10:34
Jim, Your personal attack against someone else in this room is NOT appreciated, and goes against common decency encouraged and expected.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Fri 09/16/2022 - 11:43:30
Richard, we SHOULD treat them as immigration laws dictate. BUT.....they need to present themselves at a Border Entry Point and submit their paperwork LEGALLY. Texas has over 5,000 illegal aliens PER DAY coming across the border due to policies that people like YOU voted for. 5,000 per day. Think of that. You get 40 illegals in your cherished "Mahthu's Vineyard" and you wet your pants. Grow up. Put on your big boy pants and take responsibility for the very policies for which YOU voted.

Spare me your feigned outrage and indignation. YOU are responsible for the children drowning in the Rio Grande, the over 100,000 fentanyl overdoses PER year of our own youth; the rising crime rate; the sex trafficking of the children trying to cross our border, of the over 30% of woman being raped who try to come here. You did this.

Take responsibility for these illegals and YOU put them up in YOUR house. Put your money where your mouth is cowboy 'cause we're full up here in Texas. I live with this every, single, day. It's time you shared some of your generosity and put some of these folks up, whose very first act upon entering our country was to break the law.

JimP
USA - Thu 09/15/2022 - 20:24:04
Richard - once again - this does not pertain to Chatham. Be careful here or you'll get a mouthful from those of us that are not on the same Political spectrum as you are. John has asked nicely that we keep our comments to Chatham related activities and I respect that.
Judy P
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/15/2022 - 18:31:44
I meant to say that these folks should be treated as the immigration laws dictate: Treat them with decency and let the immigration folks deal with their situations. If they are housed temporarily at the Joint Base Cape Cod, then so be it. The Florida Governor obviously has no shame when it comes to playing politics with real people.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/15/2022 - 17:42:18
So, when can the good citizens of Chatham expect a flight at the Chatham airport with some immigrant passengers from Florida or Texas, paid for by reprehensible politicians? It happened within a few air miles of your facility.
What would the Town of Chatham do?
I know how my real friends would react. They would consider them as they considered shipwreck victims. Take them in until they could be returned home.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/15/2022 - 17:17:30
Judy, no disrespect taken. I just rewatched the BOS meeting. My understanding of what was said is that recreational boats can be serviced and washed by Marina's under the "essential business" exception. I would expect if all recreational boaters could wash their boats they would have moved to change the August 11th restriction which strictly prohibited boat washing. Unless I missed it they did not change that restriction last night. I read Mr Guthrie's letter to the editor. It appeared to me to be a counter productive personal attack on Mr Hunt based not on facts but on Mr Guthrie's personal feelings. Mr Hunt has asked for facts to support voluntary restriction. I also have stated that I don't understand the necessity of restricting personal well use under the current scenario. No one has provided a compelling argument based on facts. Finally, If we are all truly concerned about Chatham becoming Lake Meade, then perhaps we should permanently ban all outdoor water use going forward.
Tom T
USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 20:27:04
I think the point here is that everyone has a personal responsibility to act accordingly given the situation we are in. There are those that will and there are those that won't. Personally I agree with Mr Guthrie and everything he said. I think we've worn this subject out. There will be folks on both sides of the issue and to each his own.
JudyP
USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 19:36:19
Judy, no disrespect taken. I just rewatched the BOS meeting. My understanding of what was said is that recreational boats can be serviced and washed by Marina's under the "essential business" exception. I would expect if all recreational boaters could wash their boats they would have moved to change the August 11th restriction which strictly prohibited boat washing. Unless I missed it they did not change that restriction last night. I read Mr Guthrie's letter to the editor. It appeared to me to be a counter productive personal attack on Mr Hunt based not on facts but on Mr Guthrie's personal feelings. Mr Hunt has asked for facts to support voluntary restriction. I also have stated that I don't understand the necessity of restricting personal well use under the current scenario. No one has provided a compelling argument based on facts. Finally, If we are all truly concerned about Chatham becoming Lake Meade, then perhaps we should permanently ban all outdoor water use going forward.
Tom T
USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 19:07:56
Tom - I think you should read the Chronicle "Letters to Editor"'that came out today . The specific letter I am referring to is written by Tony Guthrie. It summed everything up succinctly. In addition - and I mean absolutely no disrespect; however, the BOS was very clear the water allowance was made for recreational boaters. You seem to have a case of selective hearing. It could not have been any clearer.
Bill - agree with you 100% and I have found out there is an "anonymous" group that is working to promote 1610 Main Street again for a COA at the next town meeting. No never means NO in Chatham. Apparently these people don't understand the price and scarcity of lumber these days. Another ridiculous expense when the Community Center will more than suffice along with their current building (with alterations made). The Chairman of Parks and Recreation has no say over what taxpayers want and it's not her call as to what happens there. More wasted time and expense over this craziness trying to support an inferior location when property TAXPAYERS already OWN will suffice.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 18:11:40
My wife and I were in Chatham yesterday, looking for a gift for a great grandchild.
One observation, if you are lucky enough to find a parking place in the municipal lot,. there is no obvious way to get to the sidewalk. Maybe behind Forgeron's Shoe Store? Someone give me a clue.

Second: The amount of rain was pretty impressive. We parked at the Lights, where we could not see the beach below us. It cleared up a little, but we could not see North Beach at all. Or South Beach.
Hopefully the heavy rainfall will make things better for the wells of Chatham.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 17:59:51
I saw a water tank truck watering bushes on Town land on Middle road near the dump. I assume the water was filled off Cape? This is one way rich Towns and people can water there lawns.

Also, Chatham thinks a name change will fool people into building a new senior center!

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 16:10:14
We all share the responsibility of using our resources prudently. Unless I have missed it , I do not believe we are in a state of water supply. If we were then I agree all water users private and municipal need to restrict use. At the end of the day we need a clear set of facts (not feelings) to provide a reasonable path for all moving forward. It can't simply be that we restrict private well owners simply because the municipal system is inadequate, particularly if their well use has no detrimental effect.
Tom T
USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 09:40:47
Judy, I am no Hydrology expert and am relying on the advice of Dr Duncanson who has much more knowledge in this area than I do. Again, he has stated numerous times that the aquifer is plentiful. I have not once heard him suggest in any meaningful way that we are at risk of running out of water. He also stated that private well use had a minimal impact. Several years ago the town mandated that no new irrigation systems be connected to the municipal water system. At the time I do not believe we were in a drought condition. They did so to take pressure off of the towns well infrastructure which appears to be at its limits. Those choosing to install wells actually have provided some measure of relief to the towns well infrastructure at significant personal expense. I would expect that demand on the municipal water system moving forward will continue to push the infrastructure to its limits, drought or no drought. Even if we had a "significant" rainy winter season which would "fully" replenish the aquifer it would appear that water restrictions will still be necessary moving forward due to capacity limits on the current well structure, this even as water would be plentiful. In that scenario would you expect private well owners to abide by restrictions ? If I were to install a private well, I of course would be more then willing to shut it down during any time period that the aquifer is deemed to be at risk of becoming dangerously low. That does not appear to be the case presently, so I don't understand why the main focus is on private wells rather than the more pressing issue of increasing well pumping capacity in the town. I do agree that during last nights board meeting that the board was quick to provide relief to commercial fisherman and their boat maintenance. I don't believe they gave the same relief to recreational owners of boats. If they did so they did not make it very clear.
Tom T
USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 09:39:48
One more comment about the water. During last night's Select Board Meeting one couldn't help but notice the Chairman and other Board members that own boats made sure that recreational boaters are exempt from these water regulations while the rest of us aren't allowed to wash our cars, etc. Fair? I think not. Self-serving at best.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 06:34:39
Tom -Come on. It is all about hydrology. Groundwater reserves are a shared resource. Water withdrawals from private irrigation wells can deplete these reserves and harm the environment. Water levels in wetlands, rivers and streams can be negatively affected too. So can public water supplies and the ability to have enough water for fire protection. Dr. Duncanson has said that too. We all share the same aquifer. We need to use common sense standards for outdoor watering whether on private or municipal wells. About the well you are considering -- private wells can go dry during droughts. Maybe you don't want to invest in one. That's up to you, because private wells can be regulated right now if the State or town declares a state of water supply emergency. Bottom line - we should all work together during this drought.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 09/14/2022 - 06:27:24
While we are still on the topic of Monomoy, is there still one last tar paper camp down by the Powder Hole? I remember someone's camp had survived the weather and government takeover into the early 90's and they said that it was due to the Sacred Heart being hung above the front door.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/13/2022 - 20:48:38
Thanks Dick for the info. That does clarify it. I knew the Air Force did use Monomoy, which I learned about mostly from reading Bernie's book.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/13/2022 - 20:34:58
Judy.....I still don't understand your reasoning. Dr Duncanson says there is no shortage of water in the Cape aquifer. As I understand it the problem is simply that the town wells cannot keep up with demand due to a number of them being shut down for PFAS etc. The drought has also exacerbated the problem by increasing demand on the municipal system. I am still not sure how an owner of a private well refraining from using it would be doing "their part" since private well use does not impact the municipal system and Dr Duncanson has clearly stated there is no shortage of water. If either of these applied I would agree with you. I am considering installing a well on my property and don't wish to do so if it's counterproductive. Using your logic when there is a power outage I should ask my neighbor who has a standby generator to turn it off so "we can all be in it together" even though it has no adverse impact on others. Does not make sense to me.
Tom T
USA - Tue 09/13/2022 - 19:37:32
Jared, there WAS a crash of a military plane on Monomoy. I am not sure of the year. But it was in my lifetime. And there was an asphalt bombing ring target down there. I personally have walked over that site. And I did see the remains of a jet engine in the sand there. All shiny potentially valuable metal.
I can't make this stuff up.
I was on a trip to Doc Keenes camp at Inward Point with a bunch of Chatham Explorer Scouts. Before the days of i Phones. Before the access to Morris Island and Stage Island was so easy

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/13/2022 - 18:59:01
Thanks Uncle Dick. I had heard before that Eldredge's was the location and then read a contradictory report saying it happened on Monomoy.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/13/2022 - 16:43:36
Tom - many residents are prevented from watering their trees, plants, shrubs, vegetables, and lawns during what is called a "severe drought". Is there some reason why we shouldn't all be in this together and the private well owners do their part?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 09/13/2022 - 13:02:57
Jared, The plane landed in the approximate area of Cod Lane and Dairy St. in Millard Eldredge's pasture.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Mon 09/12/2022 - 21:30:46
Can someone explain why private wells need to adhere to water restrictions. Just watched a clip in which Dr Duncanson stated there is not a water shortage, just an equipment pumping capacity shortage. Town wells can't keep up with demand. He stated that only 5% of water in the Cape aquifer which is 300 to 400 foot deep is being used. It therefore does not seem that private well use has any impact on this issue. Am I missing something ?
Tom T
USA - Mon 09/12/2022 - 21:07:00
Does anyone here know anything about the Hellcat that crash landed in town, January 1945? I've seen a summary of the official report including pilot's name. I'm just looking for an approximate location or if anyone has any memory of it or remembers hearing about it at the time, that would be helpful.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/12/2022 - 20:57:16
So to bring this subject back to Chatham I would strongly suggest to everyone (Chathamites) that you tune in tomorrow night to watch the BOS meeting and the latest info being discussed about those with wells . This meeting may change their minds about watering. Remember also - if town officials had acted years ago when they found out some of our wells were tainted with PFAS we wouldn't be going through this now. No excuse whatsoever for the Town not to get their act together to get this fixed. Now everyone pays. It's ridiculous how year rounders are denied water and yet we are still promoting tourism. Just ridiculous.
JudyP
USA - Mon 09/12/2022 - 19:38:12
So are we to ignore the extremists, so called Patriots, who attacked the capitol? Who wanted to murder the Vice President? One of those people who were there actually live in Eastham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/12/2022 - 19:19:30
21 years ago this morning, we were attacked by radical Islamists and lost over 3,000 civilian lives. The following 21 years saw the deaths of tens of thousands of our best Americans in multiple wars across the globe, and irretrievably broke the lives and bodies of millions more, including mine.

Take a moment to remember those who fell, those that never came home, and those that came home which the war ultimately killed, but they never knew it: 22 veterans a day commit suicide.

Remember the wives....the childen never knowing their Dad or Mom......the families wrecked.

Remember the shattered lives of multiple deployments, of an unstoppable OPTEMPO wherein you go from one base to another to merely deploy again in a rapid succession in an unending an interminable war(s).; remember the effect on the families left behind.

Just a minute...that's all I ask....one minute to remember.

Jim

JimP
USA - Sun 09/11/2022 - 08:23:02
As I had alluded to in a previous post, Danny was one that was a giver and a sharer. Not a taker.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/10/2022 - 19:24:24
Wish I had been able to be there to honor him. A pure class act and gentleman.
JimP
USA - Sat 09/10/2022 - 17:29:51
Nice remembrance today for Danny Meservey at the VFW. So great to see so many Chathamites there. RIP Danny.
JudyP
USA - Sat 09/10/2022 - 17:27:39
John - my older cat sits and stays on my deck when I'm in the house. I heard a horrible screech and ran to the door on Sunday and three raccoons were on the deck heading for her water bowl. I grabbed her and shooed them away. One of my friends is a wildlife re-habber and told me they are desperate for water. I ended up putting a bucket of water on the hill in the back of the house and have t seen them since. I dread thinking about what could have happened.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 09/06/2022 - 19:05:34
Last night, I took my 13 pound dog out before bed and a large coyote emerged from some nearby bushes. Maybe 15 feet away. I yelled and swung a baseball bat and the coyote ran. I have felt that my dog and I have been watched many times in recent years. I always bring a bat after dark. This was a big animal. This incident should be a warning to those of you with small and medium-sized dogs. Listen for noises from bushes and be alert for coyotes.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/06/2022 - 09:34:06
Richard, that's 4 more berries than I've seen! Our bushes have none. Maybe next year.
Bob Fishback <robertef45@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/04/2022 - 12:51:01
Looking for a beach plum bush that actually has some fruit on it. Our bushes yielded a total 4 beach plums. Let year, they were loaded, as were most I saw then.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/03/2022 - 17:20:52
No It is not Danielle. It is a yet to be named storm; Danielle is in the mid Atlantic, headed east. Totally away from the U.S.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/02/2022 - 19:29:45
Richard, is that Danielle? What are your thoughts?
Amy
USA - Fri 09/02/2022 - 11:40:08
Now down in central fl. Reports here are that "Daniel" has no chance of hitting us or Chatham and while the south is having their share of small tropical storms,no evidence of any major disturbances. Want to look at a concerned water situation,look at Jackson Ms. Now those folks got problems. Maybe not for all the same reasons whether it's a case of too much water or too little, nightmares can occur
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 09/02/2022 - 09:20:14
Be aware of the tropical disturbance forming in the Atlantic, in the area where hurricanes that affect the Cape are known to get organized.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/30/2022 - 19:39:54
Our biggest problem with neighborhood short term rentals is the fact that there are no longer landline phones that we can call if the parties get out of hand. They all have cell phones now. (So do we.) We do have the owners contact numbers, but would rather call the persons responsible to at least start off as being reasonable.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/30/2022 - 16:56:38
I wonder about short-term rentals in Chatham. Our town may not know how many short-term rentals there are. Orleans has been quite proactive trying to get their arms around their situation. Chatham's Board of Health is, at least, paying attention. There appear to be short-term rental businesses that operate like motels
or hotels. Some may be owned by corporations. I have no issue with a local home owner earning a little extra money, but it appears that this situation is very different.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/29/2022 - 18:50:54
Just read the Chronicle again from front to back. They have done a masterful job in covering the issues that affect so many Chatham, Orleans and Harwich residents,. Note Residents. Like water supply, access to the Cow Yard, the Fish Pier tenants, short term rentals, sewer issues, etc.
The once reliable Cape Codder is such a lame excuse for a newspaper; as soon as our subscription expires, they are gone.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/25/2022 - 21:06:40
Jared - saw the sign today and the lawn. Entitled barely begins to describe this. Interesting letter in today's Chronicle that also believes this doesn't apply to him. I hope someone responds to him.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 08/25/2022 - 17:50:27
The Chatham I knew growing up was a community of givers, and sharers. Now it seems it is primarily a community of takers. Not the members of the original families, but those who rent their properties for many thousands each week. What about those who come to stay at CBI and are willing to spend $1200 a night? Where to they fit in ? That was last years rate.
Is the CBI a good steward of their property?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/24/2022 - 17:46:31
My wife made the observation that coming into South Chatham from South Harwich, the water restriction sign is placed in front of a house that has a neon green lawn. Either lack of awareness or disregard for how low the water table is.

We like having a lawn, but we don't love it. Not like some of the well to do people in this town. We have never understood the fixation that some have over lawn perfection. If our grass browns up, it just means saving fuel for the mower.

Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/22/2022 - 14:06:30
Any progress being made with folks turning off their irrigation systems in Chatham? We have a few folks here in Eastham that are on Town water and are still irrigating their lawns. Pat and I don't have a blade of grass, just bearberry and native grasses that don't get trimmed. Even the bear berry is showing signs of not doing well.
And, are there any beach plums around? After last years bumper crop, there are VERY FEW to be seen where there were so many last year.( I know the reluctance to divulge beach plum status in an off year.) I have one jar of jelly left.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/21/2022 - 16:24:24
First, I wish to thank those who, while I was busy here at the cottages with some issues on Thursday and turnover on Friday, reminded y'all of the way this site works and my rules! Definitely appreciate that because it helps when users do a bit of keeping things under control.

Just to clarify: Discussion of local government (town or Barnstable county) is fine at any time, but generally anything more than MA state government as it affects our part of Cape is NOT. Now federal government that directly involves our towns, like the dispute about Monomoy boundary, etc are also ok. During Presidential elections, I might be a tiny bit more tolerant but not often.

And as to "freedom of speech": That only applies to government control, not corporate, business or private control, so as this is my site, I made some rules which need to be followed.

So JimP, while I would never tell you to "shut up", I would ask you (and others) to limit certain topics here, ok?

There's a few posts that had I not been busy with business, I would have stopped sooner and might even delete at some point because they violated the premise of this site which was Chatham related.

Thanks for your understanding in this!

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sat 08/20/2022 - 09:26:40
Actually, what makes America "America" is our town square and the ability to post handbills, discuss the topics of the day, decry the abuses of the King, and bring the body politic together. Public discussion and sharing of information is the universal disinfectant of tyrants and scoundrels.

True, this is John's site, and John's rules. I have no problem with that. I will abide by his desires. But it seems that a few here are scared of the truth, they are afraid to look behind the curtain to see whose pulling the strings (good and bad).

I didn't fight all over the wold against tyrants, despots, and dictators for 36 years to be silenced in my home town. That's not gonna happen. John tells me to shut up and I'll gladly shut up. But I bring a bit of perspective to this quaint drinking village with a fishing problem. John gratuitously gives me a bit of leeway here as I bring a different perspective to our little village. I mean no disrespect to him and will certainly abide by his desires and rules. I am certainly thankful for the platform he provides and will gladly shoulder the cost of supporting it.

JimP
USA - Sat 08/20/2022 - 07:35:13
Sorry, meant to say the street corner is where you have free speech.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 19:49:50
So it seems like I have to post this about once a year. This is not a street corner in your home town. When we talk about Free Speech that is not where you can do it. This is John"s room! He created it, maintains it, and pays for it. He has a right to have rules! If you do not like it the solutions are simple, go find a street corner or start your own room. This site is great and I would hate to loose it.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 19:45:47
So Barry, you're so all knowing, why don't you tell us. And while you're doing, give us a clue when you finally wake up
Alan

Alan
USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 16:50:36
Freedom of speech, debate, there is none of this now. Real compromise, what that hell is that? Judy has given a small sample with the Chatham Sr. Center. Anyone who even begins to suggest that they are living a better life in Chatham or else where than the previous two summers, have no idea of what they are speaking of. The path we are on now, is unsustainable..
Alan

Alan
USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 16:26:46
Anyone who wishes to debate John's rule should take it up with John. Not me.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 14:19:51
Judith
Take a look at this world is not politics a factor to mention on all forums, freedom of speech...
Josie

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 13:54:31
Janice: Respectfully FYI, the keeper of this room (John) made up the rules a looong time ago. Local politics around election time is permitted. I think if people don't like John's rules, they might want to start or join another room for national politics.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 13:03:43
Where do we draw the line on political? It's not just in Washington. When we talk about the politics of the town government is that not political?
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 11:59:52
I know very well what's going on Barry. And I know snide political comments when I see them. Some people don't think the rules and laws apply to them.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 11:33:05
Jim;I for one welcome your Information about the "politics" that are happining In this country, especially coming from somone from your military background.Maybe Judith from Harwich dosent want to know whats going on?
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 11:29:32
Once again, this room is not the place for politics. Some people refuse to abide by John's rule.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 09:47:01
Richard, I still am working with my TS/SCI clearance. The problem is that most of our congress critters would be ineligible to even be granted any such clearance. Our military/DoD is VERY tight in controlling clearances. Unfortunately, due to our body politic, we automatically grant/allow congress to have access to materials they should never be allowed to see. Swallwell was literally sleeping with a Chinese spy. Feinstein had a Chinese spy driver for years. "Leaky" Leahy compromised an incredible amount of intelligence material. Adam Schiff lies daily in his pursuit of Trump. Obama and Biden compromised the entity and location of the unit that took down UBL which led to "Extortion 17," this largest helo disaster we've ever had.

The military folks are good (exception Manning, and some others), but the real danger is in our politicians.

JimP
USA - Thu 08/18/2022 - 08:57:49
Good to know so many holders of Secret, Top Secret and "Burn Before Reading" clearances are still around. I took it seriously, as it appears they did. Perhaps more so than some in highest places. Very troubling.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/17/2022 - 17:35:47
Judy P.I couldn't agree with you more. Who is responsible for spending more of our tax dollars on something that was turned down by the voters on a new C.O.A. Last I heard they were going to build it on town owned property off Stepping Stones. Our money should be spent on our drinking water supply and other needed things. I lived near the present C.O.A. for 23 years and I saw the number dwindling down on people going there. Seniors are either selling their homes and moving away or are snow birds. The new people coming here and building homes are not going to the center, that is just not their thing to do. They have their own group of friends and activities. If the council needs more space then use the community building, isn't that what it's for? As for changing the name of the C.O.A. it's not a kids center or a youth center, it is a senior center and that is what the name should be kept as. Again, being a voter in this town I will vote NO on a new one and the people in charge of this should respect the voters vote at the last town meeting on this.
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/17/2022 - 09:17:06
I was at an appointment earlier and just found out the Select Board want to try for 1610 Main Street again for a COA! These people just cannot accept the fact we voted it down. One of my friends just said they are like ticks and cannot let this go. With the economy the way it is, a new COA building is the LAST thing this town needs. We have done well without one since COVID. We sure as heck don't need to go back to a less than desirable piece of land that was voted down. Once a new BOD is in place with younger folks and more friendly staff this will never pass any vote - nor will any construction. Time to revamp the Board at the COA and just use the Community Center . The Selectmen need to reinforce what we voted on and that was NO NEW COA building.
JudyP
Wchatham, MA USA - Tue 08/16/2022 - 19:56:29
I hope folks that are able to will tune in tonite on Channel 18 for the Select Board meeting at 5:30. Once again the SAME architects (Brahman & Pomroy) who are anything but objective - are being used to present "new plans" for a COA. . This is multiple times they've been used, lots of our money spent, and no results. That would pretty much be the definition of crazy. I would urge all of you to tune in and watch. They are trying to spend way too much money for the same old programs. Nothing geared to younger seniors. I think we would do fine using the Community Center during the day since it's never fully booked. To go this route again using the same architects, and the same old boring programs will yield the same results.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 08/16/2022 - 13:20:37
To Richard R. I held a Top Secret Nuclear clearance in the Army. That is about as high as it goes. However, you still must have The Need To Know.
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/15/2022 - 15:22:00
I had one for a "few mins". Surrounded with nuclear war heads on SAC base, And yes we wore an insignia that had both an olive branch suggesting peace and a lightning bolt, also suggesting the group was not looking for difficulties, but ready to put their money where their mouth was 24-7.

Went fishing today, caught about 15 blues, most to be donated to food pantry, Gave up the clamming for a day. Far more exciting than this " clearance thing"

Alan
USA - Sun 08/14/2022 - 21:51:58
I had a TS to attend Embassy school while in the Marines!
Bruce Reddish
Eagle River, AK USA - Sun 08/14/2022 - 19:25:45
While at the Sub Base in Groton, standing watch at the Naval Hospital I occasionally would have to go to the Base Comm center and read classified messages. Most had to do with submarine movements. Never took any back to the Hospital as I had no "need to know".
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/14/2022 - 16:02:20
@Richard Ryder - not in the military but I held Top Secret clearance with the Defense Security Service. I worked on private wide area computer networks for various agencies that Will Not Be Named.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 08/14/2022 - 09:36:39
Bob, I'm still working mine: TS/SCI.

Makes for interesting times these days.

JimP
USA - Sun 08/14/2022 - 07:07:44
I had one for a "few mins". Surrounded with nuclear war heads on SAC base, And yes we wore an insignia that had both an olive branch suggesting peace and a lightning bolt, also suggesting the group was not looking for difficulties, but ready to put their money where their mouth was 24-7.

Went fishing today, caught about 15 blues, most to be donated to food pantry, Gave up the clamming for a day. Far more exciting than this " clearance thing"

Alan
USA - Sun 08/14/2022 - 00:07:46
I also had a secret clearance because of my job. You also have a need to know. You can't just look at something classified just because you have clearance.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/13/2022 - 20:09:38
Other than Jim P and myself, is there anyone else on this ChatMRoom that ever held a Secret clearance ,or higher, in the US Military?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/13/2022 - 17:31:58
Today's early morning ride around town proved to me that a water problem definitely exists. Many roads showed rivers of runoff, including the road on which I live. This is a CONDO of sorts, where there are 20 or more homes. Nightly I hear two hours of irrigation. Next is a call to the management.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/11/2022 - 07:28:07
I just watched the Select Board Meeting. They were discussing how serious the water problem is . They are going to follow up with folks that have irrigation systems with no second water meter. You have to comply or you will be fined. They are asking everyone with private wells to comply as well. The town has a serious problem right now and a lot of folks just don't care. This includes our Town Manager and every single house on her road . They all have brilliant green lawns.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 08/10/2022 - 19:11:49
I just walked the new brick path in Kate Gould Park looking for the brick with my name on it. No luck, mainly because the etching was so light colored it was un readable. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce could print a "map" as a flyer when you enter the park. I am certain I am not alone.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 08/09/2022 - 14:36:10
Bill P. I completely agree with your comment. Most of those boats just sit there day after day and never move. Shellfishing is much more important to me than boats moored.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
MA USA - Tue 08/09/2022 - 10:46:31
If you are looking for a fun thing to do on Thurs August 11th from 7;30 to 8;30 go to the program at the Chatham Methodist Church. Eric Williams is an excellent piano player, organ player and singer and has taught music. This is the last of 3 concerts- good will offering. It is largely a sing along to a great variety of music.
He might play the Phantom of the Opera or a Souza march or something classical on the organ. Songs range from God Bless America to Sweet Caroline in the sing along. Unfortunately I can't go this week but I highly recommend it.

Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/08/2022 - 13:34:15
How about we remove all the moorings vs ending Shell fishing in Chatham?

Of course neither needs to happen. But big government in Washington knows better!

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/08/2022 - 10:21:57
I just walked the new brick path in Kate Gould Park looking for the brick with my name on it. No luck, mainly because the etching was so light colored it was un readable. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce could print a "map" as a flyer when you enter the park. I am certain I am not alone.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 08/08/2022 - 09:13:11
GO DOG PARK! A place for dogs not hunters or birds!!
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/06/2022 - 05:31:45
Sorry post should have read "fishermen should not have to put up with this!".
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 08/05/2022 - 22:54:44
Chatham needs a dog park. The Town Manager also needs to take the lead on the nightmare going on at the fish pier. This is more than a tourist destination- it's where folks make a living. There are two bays for unloading and one company has not fulfilled their requirements since May. The town manager has turned a blind eye to this company not fulfilling its requirements and this has gone on since May. Meanwhile the one company fulfilling their obligations is overloaded with unloading and needs help. This is not acceptable the fishermen have to provide their ways!!!
Judylpat
WChatham , MA USA - Fri 08/05/2022 - 21:06:48
Back in the late 40's and 50's, dogs were kept by the Ryders only if they could be of assistance in hunting rabbits. The dogs were kept inside at night and on a leash outside in the daytime. Beagles Brownie and Mickey had a doghouse to get out of the weather.
Now I see puppies going for many times the price I paid for my first car.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/05/2022 - 17:56:32
Alan: Got more questions about shellfishing? My email address is available for you and anyone else to inquire of. Being an arbiter on a high school baseball field is hopefully rewarding for you. Seems to be a lot to it.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/05/2022 - 17:27:00
The Chronicle article about a dog park is interesting. Chatham needs a dog park and has needed one for years. The space is available and the demand is great. Time to act.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/05/2022 - 14:13:37
Funny you should ask. An organization that promotes Respect, Integrity, Sportsmanship. Is a privilege, all those Chatham Anglers are aware this, otherwise they would never have gotten to the stage of their baseball careers there in now. The organization encourages Academic achievement-I always believed both now in the future your never too old to learn.
You more than anyone should know, that if you get lost, you can always be found. You and some of the others in this group should try settling down, as eventually it will become clear. The road is still sometimes unfamiliar to me and I am still trying to find it, ultimately to arrive at the juncture that love is greater than all sin. But on the way, I am looking to have fun!!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/04/2022 - 22:53:29
NFHS? What is that? What does it have to do with Chatham?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/04/2022 - 21:37:59
Hey Amy
Since I do no know you, not sure if you were piling on like many do on this site or if you were sincere? I did find my way though and if you were the later, thank you for the effort. FYI, I obtained a lic. And went clamming today during low tide. Folks showed me approx where to go in the bay and obtained a nice bucket.. Actually today was a good day to go, but it was hot out there.
As I umpire over the past years of high school and college baseball games, this week the NFHS decided to highlight the subject of sportsmanship, not only out on the field, but on the net as well. Cape cod league players are well aware of this, perhaps some of the folks might update themselves
on this site or when they are out in the Aug 9 at the summer town meeting.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 08/03/2022 - 22:05:23
Poor Alan. Even when he sends out an innocent email asking advice as to where to go digging for clams, some people like to dump on him. As far as I know, the town issues shellfishing/ clamming licenses. So where are the best spots? If there are no clams anymore, then say that. But it sounded to me as though Alan wanted to go out there with his rake and find an appetizer or dinner. Cant anyone help him???
Amy
USA - Wed 08/03/2022 - 18:09:18
Wait, wait.
A USCG 26 foot boat from Old Harbor Station in Chatham went to Boston at night in January 1937, was loaded on a train and transported to our U.S. middle area to provide assistance to the flood victims back then. The crew got as far South as Memphis, and were gone for a month. Walter Love was one of those men. I would love to give an illustrated talk to any interested group about the Coast Guard involvement in helping flood victims back then.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/02/2022 - 17:03:30
Alan: You must be more specific. Some folks from away refer to quahogs as clams, but Cape Codders know clams as the soft shelled variety. Steamers. You are better served by going to the Fish Market in West Chatham or at the Pier Market at Aunt Lydia's Cove.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 08/01/2022 - 17:52:01
Gentlemen
I thru that claimming request out there on purpose, all knowing I would get comments like the one's provided. Hope you guys had a giant giggle over it. Never-the-less I was thinking someone out there might provide some info. I can take it, Just a sample of what you obtain from the great ones I guess

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 08/01/2022 - 13:11:40
Right on, Bob!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/01/2022 - 08:26:45
Mac's Seafood, West Chatham. Left hand building.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/01/2022 - 08:17:53
Hello
I was going to try clamming for the first time in my life. Any suggestionsh?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 08/01/2022 - 07:44:03
Sad to read of the passing of Bill Russell of the Celtics. I don't know if he ever visited Chatham, but I do believe that sister Nancy used to wait on him at the Bridgeway Restaurant in Marshfield. I did watch him play his first game for the Celtics in Chicago, where he stole the ball, ran down the court and stuffed it. That was not that usual back then.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/31/2022 - 16:41:07
Glad to see the park & rec will consider requesting funds for a dog park in Chatham. About time!
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/31/2022 - 08:38:24
Oh my , how Chatham has changed! I just saw a tanker truck go by my house to fill someone's pool, a flatbed full of sod, and truck after truck of lumber, etc. I am the only proud owner of a "Cape Cod lawn""(dormant, not dead) by August on my street while I watch neighbors water run down the street. One even has a sign saying "private well"! Same aquifer, same water and we are in severe drought conditions.....how dare they?
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/30/2022 - 08:03:21
My wife Pat and I occupy family property. We have no mowable grass, just ground cover that seems to be okay here. We have no neighbors that have an irrigated lawn.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/29/2022 - 17:47:17
Oh my , how Chatham has changed! I just saw a tanker truck go by my house to fill someone's pool, a flatbed full of sod, and truck after truck of lumber, etc. I am the only proud owner of a "Cape Cod lawn""(dormant, not dead) by August on my street while I watch neighbors water run down the street. One even has a sign saying "private well"! Same aquifer, same water and we are in severe drought conditions.....how dare they?
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/29/2022 - 07:12:05
This is SO cool to find out about how Lewis Tuttle and Stanley Bishop had an effect on the Chatham fishermen and their families. More to come.
I think a Jot Ryder was behind the Bar Cliff Fish Co, and Everett Metters was employed there. He had limited use of one arm if I remember correctly. A fellow Polio victim?
As you can see, I had very limited interaction with the other kids in Town, especially the ones in South and West Chatham in the Summer. I thoroughly enjoyed being a wharf rat at the Chatham Fish Pier.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/27/2022 - 17:15:22
My grandfather, Francis James, often accompanied Lewis Tuttle on some of his runs. Because the town of Chilmark had an extremely high rate of hereditary deafness, most Islanders were fluent in using sign language.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 07/27/2022 - 09:06:22
Richard, I worked for Lewis Tuttle quite a few times. Wayne Long was often my partner. We mostly moved pianos for some company in Boston. The two of us tried to carry one end and Mr. Tuttle easily carried the other end. He was amazing. There appeared to be no way to get a piano around a corner in the house, but he could do it. I also worked a few times for him with Bobby Kelly. If we took a piano to Provincetown, we would stop on the way back at Poit's and Mr. Tuttle would eat 3 cheeseburgers. Great memories.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/27/2022 - 08:50:44
The truck driver I mentioned had problems with conversing. I hesitate to say he was a deaf mute, but he had difficulty hearing and speaking. He was known for saying the truck had "plenty power". I did ride with him one night to New Bedford and back. My mother was apprehensive about him, but he was the perfect host on the ride. I never felt anything except thinking this was a cool thing to do. At a young age of ten or 11, I was allowed to lower the trailer supports by cranking them down in New Bedford, and cranking up the support wheels of the new trailer after it was hitched up. He must have dropped me off at Old Harbor Road at our house on the return trip.
J. Lewis Tuttle of Tuttles Cape Cod Express was also deaf. I did work for him one time unloading a boxcar in Orleans with a shipment of heavy switching equipment destined for the Telephone Exchange building not that far away.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/26/2022 - 17:41:08
I remember there was a sign on Millie's office door that says, Our Secretarys Name Is Helen Wait', If you are in a hurry you can go to Helen Wait.
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/26/2022 - 09:28:21
Crayton, I very fondly remember your Mom when I was a young kid scratching and clamming. She always took care of me at Old Harbor Fish. John Ventola took me under his wing and pushed me hard to go to Mass Maritime but I was a knucklehead and wanted to join the Army. Dang....here I am 43 years later still working for the Army.

There were some very good people at Old Harbor.

JimP
USA - Mon 07/25/2022 - 20:08:28
Richard, My mother worked for Old Harbor Fish , everybody new her as Millie and also Rocky Chase drove truck. She also worked Stanley sold to Frank Parsons , John Ventola and Jim O'Connell when she retired.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/25/2022 - 13:04:12
Stanley Bishop bankrolled fishermen, bought them boats, bought their fish, and sold them fishing gear way before the Fishermens Co-OP or Cape Fishermen's Supply got started. His business was known as Old Harbor Fish Co. and occupied the South Stall. The North stall was occupied by the Bar Cliff Fish Co. Dave Ryder did not sell fish to Bishop. The middle stall was available to fishermen to work on their trawl gear.
Wasn't the trailer truck driver Billy Buckley? He drove a gas powered White tractor to New Bedford and returned later in the evening with an empty trailer. I believe Bishop's stepchildren were Albert White and maybe a sister? And finally, wasn't Creighton Nickerson's wife Bishop's secretary or bookkeeper?
Help me fill in the blanks.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/25/2022 - 12:49:02
The Shakespeare Festival in Kate Gould Park has postponed their opening to Tuesday at 7 PM due to the possibility of thunderstorms and high wind. 12 Night Tuesday and Thursday and Midsummer's Night Dream Wednesday and Saturday. All performances are free and at the bandstand.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/25/2022 - 12:09:24
Thanks Jared. Just so everyone knows, C& F is Carlyle and Finch, the maker of the 2-24 rotating beacons still employed at Nauset and Chatham. I was responsible for many upgrades at Nauset, including new more efficient lamping and a new slate roof on the Oil House. Some of the slates we took off still had vestiges of red bottom paint, probably applied under the direction of Bernie Webber when he was in overall charge of the Light and other assets of the Coast Guard. He told me about spilling mercury down the steps, and what they did to corral the supposedly dangerous element.
I even tried to reverse the rotation of the motor, but it wouldn't take what I had tried. Probably a good thing. iI folks saw the Light going counter to what they had seen for their entire lives, it would have been a tough sell..

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/23/2022 - 19:13:11
Dick, I am working on procuring a used rotating Vega Fresnel lens for Nauset so when the motor does fail, we can change it over quickly. Even the Coast Guard is not changing EVERYTHING over to LED. They recently changed both Sankaty Head and Portland Head from C&F 224's to Vega 25mm Fresnel. I just saw Portland Head this morning and I can tell you it cuts the haze better than the LED. Even Cape Elizabeth still uses one. Now, Chatham, Nauset, and Gay Head are the only left in New England (and possibly the country) with C&F drum beacons. I don't foresee the USCG changing Chatham over anytime soon.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/23/2022 - 18:26:48
I remember when 'keeping the beaches clean' was the responsibility of the user. What could be more "green"?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/23/2022 - 17:47:57
Chatham has been doing a much better job of keeping the beaches clean. I hope folks are noticing this.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 07/22/2022 - 17:43:38
In the past, I would ask lobstermen if they used the various lights to navigate by. They used them only for ranges, not as lights because they were operating mostly in the daytime. I would like to see Nauset Light converted to LED lights. They now can be made to appear to rotate in either direction and alternate red and white. However, at parking lot level they don't appear as bright as they would offshore as the light beam is quite narrow with the LED's.
When the existing electric motor fails at Nauset, then maybe they will listen to a practical solution. The Coast Guard R& D Center in New London is way on top of converting lights to LED's.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/22/2022 - 16:48:48
Hi Jim, to piggyback on Dick's info on lighthouses, Maine leads New England with 63 operating lights, while Massachusetts is second with 47. Ten of those operating lights are on Cape. Dick and I previously worked together at Nauset Light where he taught me the ins and outs of maintaining the large beacon.

One question I frequently get during public tours is are they still used in a day and age of electronics. My response is that if they weren't used, the U.S. military would spend $0 on maintaining them as such. When I worked on the Grey Lady out of Hyannis, I regularly used six different lights during my wheel watch to guide us to Nantucket and back.

Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/20/2022 - 20:04:14
According to Google Maps, Mill Creek Road is in South Chatham, not anywhere near School Street.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/20/2022 - 13:46:44
It's on corner of Mill Creek Road...
Chick <ccjunk466 @ Gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/20/2022 - 11:25:36
Jill:

You are absolutely correct, it was the building on School St.. My memory isn't quite what it was back then. Thank you for that info. I do remember that the place was packed every Saturday night, and the Gemino's son, I think Arnold Jr., played a mean guitar there a few times.

Peter c. <pchalpin@gmail.com>
Woburn, MA USA - Wed 07/20/2022 - 10:47:19
It's on the corner of Mill Creek Rd..
Chick <Ccjunk 466@ gmail.com>
MA USA - Wed 07/20/2022 - 10:42:36
Would the hall in question supposedly on Mill Pond Road actually be the old Village school on School Street which later became the American Legion Hall?
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 20:49:03
Richard, I did NOT know that about the lighthouses...., that is fascinating information. I LOVE lighthouses, they are a throw back to both a much harder, but simpler time. In another life, I could easily have been a lighthouse keeper.

I really need to catch your talk at the Atwood or up in P-Town when next we're up there.

JimP
USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 18:02:06
Wasn't Sonny Clark a person born with no hearing? I remember Chickie Clark, his father, the owner of "Midnight Auto Sales " for some of us. I never stole even one part from them. Later on in CT I learned to frequent a similar auto recycling place, where parts were available for you if were willing to take them off the donor car.
Worked for me.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 17:48:18
What Hall was there on Mill Pond Road?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 17:33:07
It must hurt Judy P and others who are descendants of Hardings to see an iconic beach so neglected. Hardings Beach light was a fixed light, not rotating but still manned 24-7. It was cast in the same foundry as the Chatham Twin Lights I do believe. Parts probably delivered by a Lighthouse Service Tender from a foundry in Maine.
The Chatham Lighthouse, Hardings Beach Lighthouse, and Nauset Light in Eastham all share their cast iron DNA.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 17:25:57
John, I wasn't much for square dancing, but went to all of Skipper Hart's dances at the hall on Mill Pond Rd. and then at the hall near the Fire Station. I was actually in a band that played at that hall. Stephen Hart's band played there too.

The Saturday night Bean Suppers at the Village hall were awesome.

Peter C. <pchalpin@gmail.com>
Woburn, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 12:06:55
HaRding's Beach was finally being cleaned when I was on my walk earlier this morning.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 11:55:34
Josie - never in my life have I seen HaRding's Beach so dirty and disgusting. The town needs to step up and take care of this.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 11:53:34
As I recall, Clara's husband was usually smoking a cigarette while at the grill. Just like Sad Sack at the Old Harbor Road "Sad Sack Snack Shack".
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 10:47:37
Peter C., many years ago, I went to the square dancing at the South Chatham
Village Hall each summer. We usually stopped at 7 C's for a soda or ice cream.
Sonny Clark was always at the square dance and he was a great dancer.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 08:55:07
Josie - never in my life have I seen HaRding's Beach so dirty and disgusting. The town needs to step up and take care of this.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 07/19/2022 - 06:55:30
Hi John: I actually worked at the 7 C's with Richard Clark one summer. I was 15 as I recall. He was a great guy and I had a great time. Those were the best of the good old days!

My Mom was born on Pleasant St. in 1909, so my South Chatham roots are pretty deep.

Peter C. <pchalpin@gmail.com>
Woburn, MA USA - Mon 07/18/2022 - 19:17:10
On a positive note, I was very pleased to see Route 28 near the old Acme Laundry having been recently repaved. Nice as far as it went.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/18/2022 - 11:18:35
Does anyone remember Clara's or the 7 C's?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/18/2022 - 09:13:38
Why aren't they raking Harding's Beach?
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/17/2022 - 08:36:14
I am sick of rude, entitled, dumb, unsafe visitors to our town. Yesterday a pickup truck shot around me as I was turning into my driveway and he almost was hit head on by a speeder coming around the curve by the Queen Anne Inn, Main St and Shore Road today two cars ignored the stop sign and blasted me for turning onto Main....no stop sign for me, I dove off the road six times with people driving on or over the double yellow lines! Jay walkers galore, parked cars over the lines, bikers not dismounting and walking their bikes across busy intersections, etc., etc. to top things off, someone stole an antique copper fountain from my back porch after I went to bed last night!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/16/2022 - 13:41:09
Sandy - for the life of me I can't understand why warning tickets (if not the REAL ticket) are not put on these vehicles. I drove downtown around 10 yesterday morning and the parking was horrific - cars out in the street - over the lines so bad you had to wait til other cars drove past you the opposite way. As far as the Chamber of Commerce - they should be abolished. We don't need any more visitors here. When those of us that live here can't drive safely anywhere and our servers are treated so rudely, along with all folks that work in the public sector - enough is enough. Stop promoting Chatham as the next Nantucket.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 07/16/2022 - 07:41:34
I was waiting on a new bank card and received it 2 days ago. I just pulled the envelope out of the trash and see it was sent, from RI July 2nd. It looks like this may have been in that trash bin.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/15/2022 - 21:21:11
Wow, bags of mail found in a dumpster of the laundromat. Postmaster said don't worry the mail is getting delivered.

I think the issue is bigger than that. Either someone broke in the the PO and stole mail bags to rifle through them or some lazy mail person just threw them away like Newman from Seinfeld. I hope the PO had security cameras.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/15/2022 - 21:04:06
I can understand why the chamber of commerce wants to coddle our visitors but I wish there could be better enforcement of the lazy sloppy parking (tires jutting well out into road) and pedestrians jaywalking at will. Many other tourist communities do not tolerate this.
Sandy
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/13/2022 - 14:56:52
The chat room was not intended to be a place for discussion of national politics. Anytime anyone uses the name of the current president, and/or ex-president, they are making it political.
Judith
Harwich, USA - Wed 07/13/2022 - 12:07:45
Sorry that message was in regard to Cliff's comments, not Richards
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/12/2022 - 13:43:39
Richard-In response to your note concerning Heritage Lane.The town manager procured over $300,000 in grant money this year meant to be spent on "road improvements" for our town.She used it, and probably much more to bail out her friend, a builder and his landowner that completely obliterated a drainage easement on their property which caused serious flooding to homes around them, in Riverbay.They had changed the topography of the land so drastically that it became a nuisance to abutters yet the entire board let her use the money this way instead of suing the landowner, who should have been responsible for it all.No money left for any actual road improvements that are needed.The town manager has sole discretion in how these grants are used.Disgusting.I am waiting to hear what the final cost will be as they have not even finished the project.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/12/2022 - 13:41:32
Hey, man. I've been to job lot. Lots of Dems there.
Cal <ca,dreamer@yahoo.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Sun 07/10/2022 - 10:01:34
Richard - that truck at Job Lot has been there for ages displaying those signs. While you may like the job President Biden is doing many of us wish we we had the mean tweets and a much better economy under Trump. Please don't make this political because you'll be outnumbered here.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 07/09/2022 - 19:40:20
Carol Anne:
As disgusting as this sort of behavior is, be assured that there are folks living here on the Lower Cape and Outer Cape who are totally capable of such despicable anti semitic acts.
Just last week, at the Ocean State Job Lot parking lot, there was a man with an older pickup truck with four large flags mounted in the bed of his truck. They were all in favor of Trump. One said " If you voted for Biden, then you owe me gas money."
Yes, they have a right to express their views. But who is listening?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/09/2022 - 19:20:41
Is anyone else shocked, disgusted and horrified by the latest CBI gimmick for high paying tourists to drive the CBI Lexus SUVs down Nauset and North Beach to have the "ultimate Cape Cod beach experience " ??
For $3,000 a day you can even surf cast, have a gourmet picnic and RUIN THE FRAGILE DUNES!! I hope and pray it is against Federal Law!

Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 07/09/2022 - 13:18:17
John Whelan, I read your comment regarding the antisemitic literature found around Chatham. The same thing was found here throughout our rural county: plastic baggies with antisemitic literature weighed down by pennies or oatmeal and found in people's driveways and even at a temple. The Humboldt County Sheriff's Office, California State and Federal Law Enforcement have launched an investigation. If you find anything like this, please report it to law enforcement. This is not acceptable and appears to be a national campaign to evoke fear.
Carol Ann Conners
Humboldt County, CA USA - Sat 07/09/2022 - 10:52:30
This is what happened at Old Harbor last evening: I expected maybe 20 people would show up - instead we had at least 120 ! Looking forward to seeing some Chatham folks there this Summer. Don't be surprised that I might not recognize you. And don't hesitate to say you are from Chatham. I can incorporate your North Beach stories in my narration, as there will be gaps in the drill process that I have to fill in something. Not usually lacking such material, but new stuff would be welcome by all.
Just heard that possibly the remnants of the wrecked Calvin B. Orcutt, ca 1896, has been exposed at the North cut.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/08/2022 - 17:06:44
Cliff
You got that right on! What a dangerous road to drive on. It's a mess.

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/08/2022 - 10:02:10
I think the town manager should be required to traverse Heritage Lane on her commute. It's been in deplorable condition for over 18 months!
Cliff
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/08/2022 - 07:44:36
Is the CBI profiting from having the chartered planes land at Chatham Airport, where the passengers are picked up in a Lexus and taken to CBI?
The trips to North Beach will be self limiting, although I can't see where they are doing anything illegal or any more destructive to the environment out there than us teenagers were in the 50's, before the Park Service took over. Or the folks who buy a sticker and drive out there today and play their boom boxes close to everyone else.
Any one of the present day ChatMRoom respondents has the same right to take their car, get a permit, and drive down the beach.
Having learned how to drive a Model B Ford, two wheel drive, on the same beach as an early teenager, I can assure you things are much easier now. And much more costly.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/07/2022 - 21:09:40
Richard - it is not legal for them to sell anything or profit off anything on the beach. Once again, they've over-stepped their bounds.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 07/07/2022 - 19:20:45
CBI has only to buy an Over Sand Vehicle /Off Road Permit in Orleans to gain vehicle access to what is left of the Outer Beach in Chatham. It will probably be very popular, until someone who has no experience driving on the sand will get totally stuck, even with 4WD, and his/her passengers have to use a nonexistent bathroom. Just sayin.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/07/2022 - 19:18:28
Emily - did you see where they also have a Pilates plane shuttle you from Boston in case you are too tired to drive? You will be met at CQX with their Lexus for a shuttle to the Inn. They seem to be in business with Lexus by heavily advertising them. As if we didn't have enough people here now with a water shortage and no parking . It disgusts me the Chamber of Commerce keeps promoting this town when there is absolutely no more room here! The President of the MBBA has already sent letters to various agencies - Federal and local complaining about them making money off the beach. Hopefully it will be stopped ASAP.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 07/07/2022 - 08:16:03
Is anyone else shocked, disgusted and horrified by the latest CBI gimmick for high paying tourists to drive the CBI Lexus SUVs down Nauset and North Beach to have the "ultimate Cape Cod beach experience " ??
For $3,000 a day you can even surf cast, have a gourmet picnic and RUIN THE FRAGILE DUNES!! I hope and pray it is against Federal Law!

Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 07/07/2022 - 07:13:30
As a long-term Chatham resident, I am offended that some coward chose to litter
Chatham with anti-semitic and white supremacist literature. We can assume they
did it to gain attention. If anyone saw this littering in process, please call
the Chatham Police.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/06/2022 - 17:39:44
In Mystic, there is NO cannon firing - just a walk through, and in Michigan, they only fire the cannon in to Lake Michigan. No retrieval of a person at either of these two places. In Delaware, they use aluminum foil instead of red flannel pouches for the black powder, even though aluminum foil was not introduced in the U.S. until 1913.

The verdict is out on Chicamacomico, as they used to have Coast Guard off-duty people helping, but when one of them broke a bone, the CG brass disallowed the CG people to be involved.
Standing by for updates if Chatham travelers have seen their drill recently.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/06/2022 - 17:18:09
Just a reminder that Thursdays afternoons from tomorrow on through July and August, the Seashore Beach Apparatus Drill will be happening starting at 5 PM. The Lyle gun probably won't be shot until after 5:15 or so, but try to arrive by 5 to get a good seat. There is no admission fee. As far as I know, there are similar demonstrations only in Chicamacomico NC, Delaware, Mystic Seaport, and Sleeping Bear Dunes MI. BUT, none can compare with the Race Point Crew at Old Harbor Station. The "Keeper" has been doing the drill for 20 years !
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/06/2022 - 13:08:53
Thanks for the lead. Now I can look for a stone with a rounded top.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/05/2022 - 10:21:36
Richard Ryder - I can't tell you where it is in the cemetery, but you can find a picture of the stone here: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/90946966/richard-ryder

Perhaps that will help you locate it.

James J Dempsey <jjd+chatmroomcc@jjd.com>
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 07/05/2022 - 10:08:04
While visiting Chatham with my childrenn over the 4th of July, received from Richard Ryder a lovely bronze Life Saving flag holder to put on my grandfather Ernest S. Eldredge's grave. Many thanks to you Richard and also a thank you for the copies of your book you gave to my oldest daughter and me.
Barbara J Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Tue 07/05/2022 - 06:50:07
Hi Dick - I'm echoing Jared's comments. Although I moved away for 30 years I still find it hard to deal with the entitleds. I walk every day and say hello to those I pass and usually am ignored. Today at Harding's I walked at least 1/4 mile down the beach and sat with my neighbors. Plenty of space all around yet folks sat right next to us - basically ON TOP of us. No regard whatsoever for personal space. Still, I'd take this any day than living where I lived for the past 30 years. I love it here. . .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 07/04/2022 - 21:15:00
Hi Dick and happy Independence Day to you. To answer your question, my wife and I usually load up our girls and go to Maine at least once a year. We have to get away from the clogged roads and entitled attitudes or we will take no prisoners by summer's end. First half of the trip we are heading into the woods in Somerset County where we probably won't see another person. Just how we like it. Then down to the coast in Knox County after. We are just not of the opinion that we have to bow down and kiss the rings of the vacationing public simply because they chose to spend their money here. I've always said, this is my home first and your playground second.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/04/2022 - 19:36:33
Curious to know: where do Chatham year rounders go to get respite from so many visitors that clog your roads, fill parking slots, and generally are PIA. Folks who pay $1200 a night at the CBI can certainly pay for paid parking, either at the proposed old Town Hall lot, the Community Center lot, or the Fish Pier lot.
I have mentioned this before, but the Provincetown Parking Lot generates over a million $ a year in revenue.

As much as I appreciate what the Chatham Boat people have done in support of the CG36500, they should not be holding the Town of Chatham responsible for their customers parking problems. I did see a Beachcomber shuttle bus yesterday, taking their customers from some off site to the departure site.
Time to add a challenge money wise to the visitors who take Chatham for granted.
Wake up, Selectboard !

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/04/2022 - 17:56:23
It was nice to meet her and her daughter, but the coolest thing was that Carl Olson's grandfather's grave was almost adjacent to Ernest's and they both now have USLSS Gravemarkers !
Now I have to find where my Great Grandfather (or is it Great-Great) Richard Ryder has a stone in his memory. He was lost at sea in 1830. Perhaps someone can tell me where in the Union Cemetery his stone is located. I thought it was in the SW corner, but we couldn't find it.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/04/2022 - 17:20:13
While visiting Chatham with my childrenn over the 4th of July, received from Richard Ryder a lovely bronze Life Saving flag holder to put on my grandfather Ernest S. Eldredge's grave. Many thanks to you Richard and also a thank you for the copies of your book you gave to my oldest daughter and me.
Barbara J Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Mon 07/04/2022 - 12:44:07
From Indian Hill to Stony Hill; 0600 came in loud and clear over here.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/04/2022 - 06:04:52
Don' worry, yours not worth a comment!!!
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 07/03/2022 - 18:47:24
Alan;No don't bother!!!
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/03/2022 - 15:50:02
My neighbor walked Harding's yesterday afternoon and saw multiple dead ducks and birds. Several ducks gasping for their last breaths. It was reported to Mass Wildlife. Just so very sad to see the pictures she took. Avian flu everywhere.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 07/03/2022 - 10:08:50
Alan, just bring an appetite and a donation. Skip the garments, and enjoy the event.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/02/2022 - 17:31:25
Think the would let a guy like me into the July 4 Chatham pancake breakfast. I have a bullet proof vest that I can use for protection from all the shrapnel I might encounter. I could bring some honey to sweeten things up
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 07/01/2022 - 22:19:21
This may not be relevant to Chatham, but perhaps in an obscure way. This country should be proud that the new Commandant of the US Coast Guard is a woman, a graduate of the CG Academy and a former First District Commander. She was in overall supervision of the Chatham CG Station, as her District One went from Maine to Long Island.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/01/2022 - 17:19:02
I just heard a replacement was hired for Dan Tobin. The woman that has been filling in forever was passed over. So much for promoting within. She always had a smile, was more than helpful to everyone, and did NOT deserve to be passed over for this position. She knows the job, the townspeople and the beaches. She was always filling in at the beach because the Town can't hire folks to do the job. I find this very disturbing. I hope others agree with me.
judyp
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 07/01/2022 - 11:54:07
Earl: Having served on the USS Intrepid, I can verify that some men transferred via high-line were indeed subject to getting wet. I am sure the Intrepid boatswains tried to keep the Chaplain above water. Not so sure about other passengers.
Giving someone some slack, in this situation, was not a good thing.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/30/2022 - 17:40:10
To all:
Yes, we do a line shot using the Lyle gun, a bronze cannon developed by LT David Lyle, an Army officer, in 1877. It has a max range of 300 yards, firing an 18 lb projectile. We use 1 1/2 oz of black powder to get 150 yards.
The Lyle gun replaced a Manby Mortar, which if you drive by the Chatham Coast Guard Station, you will see such a mortar on the front lawn.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/30/2022 - 13:37:19
Reading your comment pertaining to the use of the breeches-buoy. It brings back memories of transferring from a tanker to the aircraft carrier with duffel bag in 1946 in rough weather. If the line is not taunt enough you are taking a bath which it wasn't during that transfer. Will always remember.
earl hubbard
harwich, MA USA - Thu 06/30/2022 - 07:02:36
Richard, do they do a line shot of the breeches-buoy?

I've GOT to see that before I die.

JimP
USA - Wed 06/29/2022 - 19:54:21
Here is an update from the Old Harbor Life-saving Station now at Race Point.
The Beach Apparatus Crew has been practicing for the renewal of the Beach Apparatus Drill, after a 4 year hiatus. The good news is there is a new seating section, and this is big ---there will be no admission fee!
The first drill, with the crew in period costumes, will be next Thursday starting at 5 PM and will be held very Thursday in July and August. Our team is the best in the US!
I may be biased, and the narrator for 15 years or so, but I have seen the competition.
Hope to see you there this Summer!

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/29/2022 - 17:37:45
I always thought law enforcement meant teaching people that if you do something wrong, you pay the consequences. We have so many people flooding our town who scoff at the locals, create noise and light pollution, parking atrocities and the police look the other way. I would be proud to have more vigilance and more teaching!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/29/2022 - 08:03:07
The Squire has changed so much, and after the new ownership terminated many long time employees, my wife and I stopped going there. Whomever runs the Squire's FB page made a mention of the Frank twins but couldn't even get their names right. It's another place of "local color" to the outsiders that no longer has local ties.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/28/2022 - 09:28:34
Emily, Many years ago I volunteered at Josh's camp and loved it. I could tell visitors a lot about the camp and North Beach because my family had been going over there for so many years. In fact, in the book you mentioned I had a part in..One thing I learned about the mugs hanging up is that they were never washed; just rinsed out and rehung! It was Madeleine Kent who gave me that scoop. One afternoon in came Dustin Hoffman with his family, all dressed in white. Apparently the ac on their yacht failed and they moored in Chatham to have it remedied. The strange thing was that he never looked me in the eye, even when asking me a question. Perhaps it is a defense mechanism he uses when around the public. OK, I will remove myself from the soap box now.
NancyRyderPetrus
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/27/2022 - 19:11:26
Next time your at the Squire make a toast to the Frank brothers. Both have now moved to the great Squire in the sky.
Bill P
Chatham MA, MA USA - Mon 06/27/2022 - 15:21:12
If the summer kids were still around in the Fall and Winter, us locals would certainly have considered them as friends. But as I said, they were gone, probably to some private school which was not within our reach.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/26/2022 - 17:43:10
I'm highly empathetic with the Police: they are screwed if they do, screwed if they don't. We've bred an atmosphere wherein people openly refuse to obey the lawful commands of the police and then we crucify the officers if they don't do EVERYTHING 100% correct under the stress of the event.

Active shooter rehearsals/drills should preferably be at the location of the threat, but if unavailable (for obvious reasons), you can use alternative venues; or even create them using tape on the ground (we did this all the time). We used to go so far as spray painting the layout of the rooms on the roof of the threatened target. The outlines of the rooms are clearly visible if you have to gain access via helicopter assault and do an explosive breach .

Obviously you don't have the resources or capability on the Cape to do this, but training the local cop on the beat is essential. He/she is the one to initially run to the sound of the gunfire and draw the attention of the shooter FROM the victims to preserving their own life.

That was the failure of Uvalde - no one pressed the shooter to divert his attention form the children. Every man present on scene that refused to go confront that shooter IMMEDIATELY should be shunned from society.

JimP
USA - Sun 06/26/2022 - 17:02:04
I always thought law enforcement meant teaching people that if you do something wrong, you pay the consequences. We have so many people flooding our town who scoff at the locals, create noise and light pollution, parking atrocities and the police look the other way. I would be proud to have more vigilance and more teaching!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/26/2022 - 10:57:05
The brilliance of Chathams para-military police department ( a description used by "former" chief Paulina)
to hold an active shooter drill among the seniors at Liberty Commons was anything but considerate. How about Town Hall? The Library? What about the annex were public meetings are held? What about lighthouse beach? They might have scheduled something at the larger retailers in town. Looks like little thought was given to the truly endangered. With all the changes Chatham has suffered. Common sense seems to have maintained its almost invisible existence .

John <Jwag50@msn.com>
MONUMENT, CO USA - Sun 06/26/2022 - 10:15:55
I was fortunate enough to grow up on a road with plenty of kids and summer kids. To this day some of the summer kids remain my best friends. We never ever thought about "who knows who" and were just grateful for our friends. Such a sad commentary seeing what's going on today and some of the comments here as to who knows who. We were not raised that way. Everyone was treated the same .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 06/25/2022 - 18:51:48
Actually, the summer kids were precluded from hanging out at the Camps on North Beach in the off season. They were gone.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/25/2022 - 16:53:47
Things for the younger Chatham kids must have gotten less exclusive.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/24/2022 - 17:35:30
I agree with John. I had many good friends in the 70's as a preteen and teenager that were Summer residents. We all went to the beach and hung out at night. together.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/24/2022 - 16:32:42
Richard, I have had the privilege of knowing both the year-round residents and some summer residents. I have known wonderful people from both groups and, of course, like everyone else, I have known some people who are artificial and pretentious. I start with the old attitude that no one of us is better than anyone else. It seems to work.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/24/2022 - 10:12:38
Chatham "Summer People" had their own circle of friends, which us local people had little chance to know. The adults I respected were the successful Chatham fishermen, the Highway Boss who might give me a job shoveling sidewalks, after a snowstorm, and the trap fishermen who literally showed me the ropes of how they harvested their fish traps in Nantucket Sound.
I shouldn't forget the adult males who came to our weekly Scout Meetings and told us about the way they made a living. Kenny Haven, Doc Keene, Des Eldredge, and many others. In the school system, there were men and women we looked up to and respected.
Provincial? Maybe so.
But in my life, I have found that doctors I served with in the US Navy at Groton, Ct would enjoy a boat trip with me to help haul my 30 lobster traps in Long Island Sound. They were all Board Certified in their specialties, and were free to relax and enjoy life a little more.
I served in Vietnam with a Resident Neurosurgeon. All these folks you might hold in high esteem; for the men anyway, they all put their pants on one leg at a time.
Dustin Hoffman included.
I took boat building courses at Mystic Seaport with several Navy Orthopedic Surgeons, and wow, their wood joints were to very close tolerances!.
As in Chatham, there was mutual respect.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/23/2022 - 18:16:28
Don and I went to a party in the early 70s in Southampton or Easthampton LI given by Ann Byrne. The guests were mostly LI artists---I spoke with Larry Rivers, Ilya Bolotovsky and John Macwhinnie but what I remember most was that the two rooms I was in were painted black. She was a good hostess but I don't think Dustin Hoffman was there. It was fun to see extraordinary people in ordinary circumstances.!
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/22/2022 - 20:42:15
John, That is pretty cool. Probably because he felt secure with his people.
NancyRyderPetrus
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/21/2022 - 18:03:44
Nancy, I played tennis with Dustin Hoffman and his father-in-law, Fred Byrne, a number of times when he was married to Ann, Fred's daughter. I don't remember if he looked me in the eye, but he was always very friendly
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/20/2022 - 19:01:51
So it must have been Tom Haley's camp that had the two hand pumps - one for the kitchen and one for the bathroom. Both indoors. The latter dispensed fresh water to the toilet tank, with the lid off obviously.. Tom must have had a cesspool built over at the beach. It was not that complicated a structure to build. I helped my former BIL Murray Larkin build one on Crosby Lane in West Chatham when I was in my teens. We needed a shovel, a strong back and a weak mind - that was it for tools. Oh, maybe a level to start things off in the bottom of the excavation.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/20/2022 - 17:59:28
Emily, Many years ago I volunteered at Josh's camp and loved it. I could tell visitors a lot about the camp and North Beach because my family had been going over there for so many years. In fact, in the book you mentioned I had a part in..One thing I learned about the mugs hanging up is that they were never washed; just rinsed out and rehung! It was Madeleine Kent who gave me that scoop. One afternoon in came Dustin Hoffman with his family, all dressed in white. Apparently the ac on their yacht failed and they moored in Chatham to have it remedied. The strange thing was that he never looked me in the eye, even when asking me a question. Perhaps it is a defense mechanism he uses when around the public. OK, I will remove myself from the soap box now.
NancyRyderPetrus
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/20/2022 - 16:38:03
I am a docent at Joshua Nickerson's camp, now part of the Atwood House museum. Josh and Barbie had an outhouse with an ordinary toilet seat, and the hand pump for washing dishes was at the kitchen sink. The very best book describing all the camps of both villages is "Drifting Memories" by Frances Higgins, for sale at the Atwood gift shop.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/20/2022 - 05:37:11
I'd like to know which camp on North Beach in Chatham was the first to have a flush toilet? Was it Joshua Nickerson, or Tom Haley? I know that one camp I stayed in had a hand pump that delivered water to the toilet tank, which allowed the toilet to be flushed. Before that, our 1948 era camp only had a hand pump for domestic water, with an outhouse for basic bodily functions.
I have learned that the Dill Camp in Eastham, now on display, had a pressurized water system, with a storage tank. How did that elevated tank get the water it needed pumped up without electricity?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/19/2022 - 19:13:43
Coyotes are plentiful here in the wilds of North Eastham, there being at least ten acres of pitch pine forest for them to have multiple dens that we know of.
I learned yesterday from a neighbor that a hen turkey, with at best count 11 poults, tricked a coyote away from her clutch, made a fool of him or her, then flew up in a tree. The fuzzballs were hidden nearby. I have talked with six separate families who have seen the turkey family in the neighborhood. I have iPhone photos of the hen and her brood..

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/18/2022 - 17:43:45
On the discussion of dogs, here on the lower Eel River watershed, we are surrounded by dairy and cattle ranches. Most often we see McNabs, Border Collies, Corgis, Queensland Heelers, Australian Shepherd or mix-breeds. They are smart and adept at rounding up the cows.

My question to the readers of Chatham Chat, what are your thoughts on the abundance of coyotes or coy-wolves on the Cape? I have seen them a number of times. The ones that I saw were not scrawny little coyotes spotted during my childhood, but rather large creatures that I estimated to weigh between 60-80 lbs. In 2019 I saw two in East Harwich: one crossing Highway 39 near the intersection of Pleasant Bay Road and another roamed through my mother's back yard. That very same year my husband and I saw one crossing Route 28 at the intersection with Crowell Road by Pleasant Bay. It was a glorious multi-colored creature. I am sure there are lots of good eats for them with all the wild turkeys running around. What are they? Are they wolves that bred with coyotes or coyotes that bred with dogs?

Carol Ann Conners
Humboldt County, CA USA - Sat 06/18/2022 - 10:33:20
Memorial Day was a holiday that I looked forward to as a student at Chatham High, as I played the flute and piccolo in the Memorial Day Parade. Yes, it was a solemn parade with veterans of all branches of the Military and complete with gun salutes. We honored the brave men and women that fought and died for our country. In the afternoon the family would gather together for a meal and relaxation and perhaps a swim if the weather was warm. It was the official start to the summer season. It was also a time of happiness for me, I love putting on my band uniform, playing the descant for Stars and Stripes, and marching alongside my bandmates.

I now live in Northern California. There is a Memorial Day parade in the town of Ferndale every year. After the parade, the town is fills up with moving art sculptures that have traveled over 40 miles through land, sand, water, and mud over the 3 day holiday weekend. The Kinetic Grand Championship is where artists build moving people-powered machines all for the GLORY of traversing through towns, beaches, trails and rivers every Memorial Day Weekend since 1969 with the exception of 2020 and 2021 due to the Covid19 Pandemic. My point is that Memorial Day can be both a somber and a happy time.

Carol Ann Conners
Humboldt County, CA USA - Sat 06/18/2022 - 10:31:39
Don't these dogs do the same thing?
Britain might have sent a Sheepdog or two (as a minimum) to Australia as pets. So, a quick gene analysis would probably find they are very closely related.

As are most old Chatham families, going back to 1640.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/14/2022 - 17:59:25
Just a gentle clarification about Richard's post. I believe the herding dog breed is called an Australian Shepherd, and a Sheepdog refers to the Old English Sheepdog according the the AKC.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/11/2022 - 06:47:08
Thanks Emily (and thanks Richard). I was referring to an article written some years back by LTC (Ret) Dave Grossman about Sheep, Sheepdogs, and Wolves. Grossman was an Army psychologist and has written several books and does a LOT of training lecturing around the country. He puts human behavior into some interesting parallels with nature. I'm a sheepdog.
JimP
USA - Wed 06/08/2022 - 19:36:00
Just a gentle clarification about Richard's post. I believe the herding dog breed is called an Australian Shepherd, and a Sheepdog refers to the Old English Sheepdog according the the AKC.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/08/2022 - 19:13:45
Hey Bro, and others. Check Rte. 28 as it navigates Laundry Creek. MUCH nicer.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/08/2022 - 16:49:22
Having visited Australia, and known folks who adored sheepdogs, I can say that if I had to have a dog, it could be a sheepdog. They are incredibly smart, and focused. I have watched one here on the shores of Eastham trying to herd the waves. Back and forth. Back and Forth. Relentless.
They just don't give up.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/05/2022 - 17:27:22
Jim, while what you said was not directed at me, I did not find your statement to be any sort of threat.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/04/2022 - 12:43:38
I just heard that someone thought I may have made a veiled threat against Richard. That was NOT the case. I was poking Richard with our inter-service rivalry (he IS Navy after all....[sorry Ben]). Richard comes from a historical family in town, is a fellow veteran, and is doing GREAT philanthropic work with the Coast Guard and other issues throughout the lower Cape.

Richard recently did a wonderfully generous gesture of getting bronze Life Saving Service plaques for family members of that heritage to place on their graves. I am incredibly thankful for that.

I will defend Richard all day despite us being on opposite ends of the political spectrum. He's earned his right to say what he thinks and I fully support that. The world would be a boring place were we all to think alike.

Richard, you rest easy. Neither you, nor anyone else here, need fear anything so long as I am around. I'm still young enough to have some sheepdog in me.

JimP
USA - Sat 06/04/2022 - 08:17:30
Ms Goldsmith addressed the issue to town employees only at this point in time. Here is her partial response:
Police were immediately called to the scene to investigate and determined upon inspection that it was an unloaded C110 BB gun without an air cartridge, which was voluntarily surrendered into police custody. The investigation determined that there was no threat to the safety of employees or the public. While an illegal weapon was not discovered, I understand that in no way minimizes this unnerving incident, particularly for staff and contractors in the building at the time. While it was determined by law enforcement personnel that no criminal activity occurred, the employee was restricted from the workplace and Human Resources conducted an administrative investigation.

Interesting that whatever it "may have been" that an employee had this in his desk.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 06/04/2022 - 07:19:41
No one is discussing the type of gun that was found in a desk at the closed town offices last week. Police were called. What do you suppose the police reports say about this given our Town Manager hires and fires all employees including the Police Chief? Our Town Manager needs to address this ASAP.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 06/02/2022 - 20:54:41
Richard I wish. Knowing you to be an erudite man of letters, you realize that the weapons envisioned in the "Militia" of the Constitution (specifically Bill of rights - see Second Amendment), encompassed weapons commonly used by the military's of the day.

And, No...I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I'm right here. You are welcome to try to take them, as are any other totalitarians in Massachusetts. I recommend you pack a lunch as I don't scare easily. And if you think we have carnage at present, just wait till the government controls all the weapons. Governments have been the greatest mass-killers in history. I will not get in the boxcar you send for me either. Six Million Jews learned that lesson a little too late. Never again.

JimP
USA - Thu 06/02/2022 - 19:24:25
What's next for the "Regulated, Well Armed Militia" that so many espouse, and hide behind? Abrams tanks? Howitzers? Drones? MedEvac helos?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/02/2022 - 16:52:31
Brother Richard et al, My deep thanks to you for serving our great country. I definitely will bow my head at 3:00 to honor those we lost.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/02/2022 - 15:05:01
Never had cause to wonder how many AR's were on Cape, as they are a semi auto rifle like most others and I've never wondered how many semi autos there were either. I do wonder, however, how many others do carry concealed in this state or on the Cape.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/01/2022 - 20:39:24
Richard, when I move back there the number will probably increase 300%. Not sure they'll let me bring them all in...being Massachusetts and all. You want a couple?
JimP
USA - Wed 06/01/2022 - 19:45:12
Ever wonder how many AR-15's there are on Cape Cod? In Chatham?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/01/2022 - 17:05:57
Anyone ever wonder why the Cemetery Commission is the ONLY committee in town that gets paid a stipend? The only Committee that is rewarded for non-performance. Another ridiculous waste of our taxpayer dollars. The Dept of Public Works and the Cemetery Administrator, Dee, deserve all the credit for taking care of this problem. The Cemetery Commission should be ashamed they take our money and do nothing.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/31/2022 - 21:25:41
Kudos to Judy P who instigated the need for more attention to the care of our cemeteries! Proves that the squeaky wheel gets the grease! Mowing and weed whacking around all those stones is not easy and it was beautifully done in time for Memorial Day. Thanks. Now we need to squawk loud and clear to get the Gift Shop open at the Transfer Station.....I have some wonderful stuff I want to "transfer" to a lucky new owner!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/31/2022 - 11:28:30
Proud of you Richard. I'll be your flag detail here soon. Good job!!
JimP
USA - Mon 05/30/2022 - 20:26:46
Because it was a "soft opening' with no publicity by the CCNS, with very few attendees, we still played taps at 1500 at Old Harbor Station this afternoon. Appreciated by the few there. Probably done the most Easterly in the U.S. where taps might have been played.
I look forward to finding a real bugler for next year.

US Navy 20 Year Veteran

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/30/2022 - 18:26:50
Brother Richard et al, My deep thanks to you for serving our great country. I definitely will bow my head at 3:00 to honor those we lost.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/30/2022 - 13:17:22
I will be playing taps at 1500 today, Memorial Day, at Old Harbor Station which is to enjoy a "soft" opening from 2-4.. I have a CD player and the appropriate CD with taps on it.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/30/2022 - 10:24:21
agreed. No one's attacking anyone. Everyone do "you." Just take a moment and remember those that gave you all this. That's what the day is about.

Had I gone down I'd want ya'll to have a great day as well. But wouldn't mind a toast in memory - not for me, but for my buds with whom I served.

JimP
USA - Mon 05/30/2022 - 07:51:26
Ned,Judy,Jim P, and Justin - just received this from a close friend whose brother was killed in vietnam "My brother would want us to enjoy the Barbecues and family gatherings remembering and celebrating our country for which they died. If we did not gather together, he would be disappointed.He would not want us to be sad. Don't let Social Media guilt you out for enjoying Memories on Memorial Day!Be together and love one another and enjoy our freedom &#128149; Exactly what they died for."
ben h
USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 21:40:07
one of the problems with our less than state of the art chat room which John has worked so hard to develop and maintain for us is unlike facebook or other social media we can not delete pr correct a post. once you hit submit it's out there for everyone to see. My way of saying I wish I had just let Justin post for both of us - he said what I was trying to say. Thank you Justin and back at you Jim P - you and others like you will be in my thoughts tomorrow. I will enjoy the day but will do so with great respect. Will be saving the "happy" wishes for birthdays
ben h
USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 21:30:50
Thank you Ned for the wishes.
Crayton Nickerson,Jr <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 18:48:55
Ben, Ned - happy is just the wrong adjective. Thanks for the kind words Ben - back at you and to all who served!! and thanks to you for hitting the memorial service - I know you "get it" as having been there yourself.

Enjoy the cookouts, the beach, the start of summer. Just remember the price. Pretty damned expensive hotdogs and fishing poles. Paid for in blood and dreams. Too many Americans forget that. Way too many...

JimP
USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 16:58:28
Every holiday can have multiple meanings... Christmas is not just a celebration of Jesus's birth anymore, there's Santa and a whole bunch of other stuff. Absolutely, Memorial Day is about honoring fallen soldiers that have died fighting to protect our country. And there is nothing "Happy" about that. I was just explaining this to my son this morning. However, it's also started to be known as the unofficial start of summer, something we can all be happy about. So if someone wants to say "Happy Memorial Day" then there should be nothing wrong with that.

And maybe for you, there's nothing "happy" about Memorial Day. Maybe you don't like the start of summer or maybe you've had someone close to you die while serving. If you don't want to say Happy Memorial Day, then that is also your prerogative. But maybe we should let people recognize and celebrate the holiday as they choose and not try to strike a nerve with them or attack them if they don't do that Tye same way you do.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 16:56:19
Hey Judy every day holiday or not can and should be a happy day - just like merry christmas - we can enjoy the day with friends and family yet still remember and observe the solemn meaning behind the day whether at church for christmas or at the cemetary for memorial day. I for one recognize and respect your brother tremendously but I don't think he meant for us to be somber all day. When I get back from our local memorial day service, I'm going to join Ned and his family in spirit and have a happy fun memorial day cookout because I think that's what my many naval aviator comrades no longer with us would want me to do.
ben h
USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 13:59:13
Just echoing my brother's words Ned. It is NOT a. Happy day. I obviously struck a nerve which was my intent .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 12:16:11
Judy: Not sure I understand or appreciate your crack. It was not well received. My family on both sides has served America, often times in combat, since the Revolution; through Vietnam. I certainly understand and appreciate the significance of Memorial Day. Please don't provide a snarky history lesson on this hallowed day. Unbelievable.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 11:56:46
Ned, suggest you take a walk through the Old Village area and look at doorways. It is one of the few areas in Town non-McMansioned - not enough room, I would guess. While there, be sure to look at the front lawn of the Coast Guard - impressive display - well done. I plan to have a peaceful, grateful Memorial Day. Hope to see you all 10 am outside the Community Center to observe a few minutes of appreciation for those that gave up part of their lives.
Susie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 10:39:06
Yup - nothing "happy" about it. Please take a moment at 3:00 pm Monday for a moment of silence. That was enshrined in the original memorial. One minute of silence for all who died protecting this great Country. Not too much to ask. But apparently it is in these times of immediate gratification and me-me-me.

One minute at 3:00 pm. Not too much to ask.

JimP
USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 08:07:44
Ned - I'll repost something similar to what my brother said a few years ago. Memorial Day is not a "Happy" occasion. It is a solemn holiday to remember all those who served and who are no longer with us. . While everyone is having cookouts, cocktails, and enjoying themselves take a moment to remember those who fought the battle for our freedom .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 07:26:47
Happy Memorial Day to all and many thanks to our Veterans past and present. Crayton, happy birthday as well. Hope it was a good one. Hey, I need a bit of guidance on outside door trim and molding. Specifically, we're redoing the trim and molding around our front door and we wanted to do something a bit ornamental, yet, historically accurate. The Builder suggested looking around town for ideas. Odd question, but does anyone know of any cool or interesting old doorways that I could check out this week? Many thanks!
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 07:00:09
Thank you Richard,Yes my dad did make a lot of dredges and repaired many too. I donated one dredge to the Atwood house a few years ago when Reggie Nickerson was looking for a few artifacts for them.
Crayton Nickerson,Jr <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/29/2022 - 06:45:46
Crayton, Happy Birthday!
If my memory serves me correctly, your Dad was the go-to guy for building scallop dredges that worked. An essential tool for Chatham families to make some $$ to carry them through the Winter.
I just read about scallops being caught in crab traps, with LED lights, in England.
Who knew?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/28/2022 - 16:57:01
Emily: Via other social media yesterday, I found that the reason the Swap Shop is not yet open is because the volunteers have some paperwork re CORI checks that hasn't been finished yet.

All: It's birthday # 70 for one of our loyal users, Crayton Nickerson so if you don't use Facebook, send him wish here.

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Fri 05/27/2022 - 10:25:32
Kudos to Judy P who instigated the need for more attention to the care of our cemeteries! Proves that the squeaky wheel gets the grease! Mowing and weed whacking around all those stones is not easy and it was beautifully done in time for Memorial Day. Thanks. Now we need to squawk loud and clear to get the Gift Shop open at the Transfer Station.....I have some wonderful stuff I want to "transfer" to a lucky new owner!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/27/2022 - 09:34:54
I went to Union Cemetery today and was very pleasantly surprised that the grass was cut and the flags were up for Memorial Day. It looked better than it has in years. One of my friends said Seaside was the same. I hope that whoever is responsible for this sees this and we don't revert back to what has been going on for the past few years. Thank you for a job well done!!
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/26/2022 - 18:43:25
I noticed that the shooter in the Texas massacre posted his intentions on Facebook before he went to the school. I don't subscribe to Facebook, but I encourage all who do to be on the lookout for any posts that could possibly indicate that anyone is considering violence. Also, anyone who posts hate
filled posts about groups of people or individuals. It may feel like we can not
do anything to stop the killings, but we must try.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/25/2022 - 15:27:08
Donna: Sorry to learn of Mr. Goodspeed's passing. I remember him as a kid. He and Joe Nickerson were in the Chatham Band together I believe. I also remember him being incredibly active in local political issues. He was a very respected man. Lastly, your cousin Bennie (?) was a few years older than me. When he was a kid he had a very cool little blue boat. It was pretty fast and I was super envious at the time. Sorry for your lost, Mr. G was certainly one of the "good ones."
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/24/2022 - 16:39:30
Donna: Sorry to learn of Mr. Goodspeed's passing. I remember him as a kid. He and Joe Nickerson were in the Chatham Band together I believe. I also remember him being incredibly active in local political issues. He was a very respected man. Lastly, your cousin Bennie (?) was a few years older than me. When he was a kid he had a very cool little blue boat. It was pretty fast and I was super envious at the time. Sorry for your lost, Mr. G was certainly one of the "good ones."
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/24/2022 - 13:31:03
Donna,
I am very sorry! He was a good man and I liked him a lot. He also was a great asset for the town and is sorely missed now at the Cemetery Dept. Which is a mess now. Please post any info about a service. My wife has ushered with him at church.

Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/22/2022 - 20:24:01
I am sorry to say that my uncle George Goodspeed Jr. died at Liberty Commons on
May 19th. No plans have been made yet.

Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins@comcast.net>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 05/21/2022 - 09:31:55
All: Hats off to the hearty Chatham Town Meeting Members. By any measure that was a very robust meeting. 6 plus hours has to be a record. Does anyone know if this is the longest on record?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 05/19/2022 - 20:07:38
Oh please, NO! Yesterday's marathon Town Meeting is our last vestige of REAL Chatham, people, opinions, history and love for an ever-ending community. These summer people who spend less than one month here in their mega- mansions all year, are making big bucks on renting their houses , while contributing nothing.....not even college kids who are willing to work! They are draining the life out of Chatham.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/19/2022 - 10:58:25
Just a reminder to VOTE TOMORROW!! If you're not happy with the way our town is being run, here's your chance to make a difference. No one should be on the Board for 12 years. Let's give some new folks a chance to see what they can do. Voting opens at 7:00 a.m. at the Community Center.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 05/18/2022 - 17:40:45
Thanks to both Johns for their contributions.
Regarding Open Space properties, I would point out that the Ryder family sold a very nice piece of property to the Town for open space. It is just Northwest of the Airport, and there is a pond there as well. My Dad called it "the woodlot", and he did harvest some trees for firewood. Mostly pine as I recall.
Sensing that there were a lot of family that would like to own it, Grandmother Rebecca Ryder decided to sell it. Each of the five Ryder children ( Richard A, Arethusa, David F, William C. and Emily) had a 7th, but she had two 7ths so she wisely prevailed and prevented any obvious family discord..
It would be interesting to look up the property transfer to see how much the family received.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/18/2022 - 17:34:50
The Chatham Garden Club is having a plant sale of Saturday June 4th. 9-1pm at the Chatham Community Center. Rain or Shine! Hope to see you there!
Mary Ellen Sobol <mesobol@hotmail.com>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 23:31:40
Janice, not diverting but addressing another point: You said earlier that Goose pond was one of 3 pieces of conservation land. I think you need to see exactly how many parcels in Chatham meet that definition because there's at least 14 parcels that abut Goose Pond directly or adjacent alone that are such, and they total over 142 acres so when this 19 acre part is added, it's 161+ acres. Thus the 4 acres requested for housing is only about 2.5% of that and that's a fact that wasn't presented unfortunately.

The proponents of Goose Pond purposely made it seem like this 4 acres were much closer to pond, and represented a much larger and significant portion of land. Definitely false advertising to say the least and designed to improperly influence those who didn't know the actual details. I hadn't gotten the numbers before but knew it was just a tiny portion of the empty land in vicinity of pond.

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 20:41:53
J.Hallgren. Had the meeting been inside you would of followed and sat where the moderator said to sit but because it was outside, you sat where you thought you should sit. If you could not hear and or see the meeting you should of said something to the moderator and let him or someone else decide to see if something could of been changed. As for you doubting me on where I would sit, I would do what was asked but I would also see if it could be improved upon. Could you still answer my question on why the sand pit was allowed to be converted to a solar farm?
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 19:45:57
Richard, since I seek a good Chatham subject every month for my "Chatham..on Foot" column in the Chronicle, I will accept the challenge of writing about the
cement blocks and the Dubis Company. You'll see it sometime in the future.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 19:33:54
The sand pit was privately owned by the Dubis family. Back in the day, they used sand from a pit like this to make concrete blocks. The blocks are in the support columns of many Chatham houses, as well as houses in Harwich and Orleans. Then, poured foundations came in to vogue. The Dubis family still has the original concrete block machinery at their site. Too bad that some historical minded person has not pursued the Dubis family and written their history about making concrete blocks, before it is too late.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 19:18:08
Housing Authority members are elected by the towns voters. Very few people run for this particular office.
Wasn't the sand pit privately owned?

Amy
USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 17:15:04
Janice, note that had the meeting taken place in the gym, the designated seating for non voters when space allows is the bleachers on left side where I have sat for a number of meetings on top row surrounded by numerous voters. So I similarly isolated myself at the field and remained silent during any voice votes because I know how to conduct myself at meetings unlike some voters.

At the field, I was seated by myself on my own chair at a distance behind any voters because it was the ONLY way to be able to barely hear some of the speakers and to be able to clearly see the meeting, ok? The sound system was NOT adequate to provide proper sound to the bleachers at the field nor were the sight lines. During the meeting, I spoke to the sound guys to give them feedback about the sound quality which improved slightly after that.

Would you sit somewhere where you can't hear not see the meeting if you were a non voter? I doubt it.

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 16:02:41
J Hallgren, Why don't YOU tell us why the sand pit was allowed to be converted to a solar farm. Did any of those houses take any land from the conservation area?
I,agree with Judy that you should not to have been seated with the voters as I am sure you know you should not have done so

Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 14:30:34
Janice, if you were that concerned about Goose Pond, why was the sand pit allowed to be converted to a solar farm? It's much bigger than the proposed housing area and half the distance away from pond at nearest point.
The four acres are at least a quarter mile from pond and there's numerous development much closer. Using the pond is totally a false argument when looked at it on map.
There's multiple homes nearer the pond. You should force those owners to give up their property to actually have an effect on the pond!

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 13:00:40
J.Hallgren,it is not the size of the land giving up.We do not want to give up any piece of Goose Pond.Once it's gone it's gone forever and we All should know that it will not stop at the amount of land they are asking for.
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 10:34:18
John - I want to understand what you are saying. You did not have an issue with this individual when she stood up and said "as an elected official". . and then proceeded to rant and rave to the audience about the way they voted? She hollered at a field of registered voters. This is not how elected officials act. I also took an exception to you sitting with the voters on the field in chairs when Mr. Litchfield clearly stated several times non-registered voters were to sit in the bleachers. You could have easily voiced your opinion on several votes. You should have sat with the other people and you should not be defending an elected official that had so little disdain for residents of Chatham. My opinion.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 10:32:51
As a non voter but concerned for both the environment AND affordable housing, I was really disappointed and offended by those who yelled at that speaker as that's not how one should behave at a town meeting. Get up and get in line and speak when recognized.

Yes, I am seeing a lot of NIMBY when it comes to affordable housing. And I think that lots of people believe that four acres is much larger than it really is. It's just a tad bit bigger than Veterans Field and in comparison to the other 15 acres, should not have any significant effect on wildlife.

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 09:30:05
In what election and by whom was she elected?
dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 09:07:20
Amy - She needs to be removed from that committee asap. No one deserves to be on any committee that acts like that. What it is with these housing advocates? Some are known for bullying people, calling folks "NIMBY's and the latest with this loon completely going off the grid doesn't say much
to help their endeavors . All they succeed in doing is turning more and more against them.

JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 06:31:06
That speaker was Shirley Smith an elected member of the Chatham housing authority. It was appalling to hear her say that those of us for the turtles were disingenuous. I was completely taken aback by her accusations. Long live goose pond forest forever.
Amy
USA - Tue 05/17/2022 - 06:01:34
Good to hear that many are still attending Chatham Town Meetings. My first was probably 1955. As a CHS student. Still interested in what goes on in Chatham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 17:57:16
I have never been at a Town Meeting where someone acted as crazy as this loon did. It was more than rude and uncalled for. She yelled at everyone before she was booed off the podium. I was told she either works or used to work for one of the town's affordable housing committees'. She should be fired if she still works for the town. There was no reason for her to act that way.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 16:25:54
I was at the Town Meeting last Sat. to vote on the Goose Pond articles. There was this person who spoke and at times very loudly saying they were VERY UPSET because the voters who voted against giving up some of Goose Pond Land for affordable housing,. They went on to say, those people were acting very selfish for not wanting to give some of it up and that we were acting like spoiled kids who don't want to share their toys. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, call me selfish because I will NEVER vote to give up (not even a postage size piece of Goose Pone land) for any reason!!!. Chatham has 3 pieces of land that is conservation land and Goose is one of them. We cannot let people try to take this away from us because once it's gone it is gone forever! There are other pieces of land that should be investigated for keeps your grubby hands of Goose. Also, if I remember, that piece of land was donated to the town to be conservation!
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 15:52:07
I was at the Town Meeting last Sat. to vote on the Goose Pond articles. There was this person who spoke and at times very loudly saying they were VERY UPSET because the voters who voted against giving up some of Goose Pond Land for affordable housing,. They went on to say, those people were acting very selfish for not wanting to give some of it up and that we were acting like spoiled kids who don't want to share their toys. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, call me selfish because I will NEVER vote to give up (not even a postage size piece of Goose Pone land) for any reason!!!. Chatham has 3 pieces of land that is conservation land and Goose is one of them. We cannot let people try to take this away from us because once it's gone it is gone forever! There are other pieces of land that should be investigated for keeps your grubby hands of Goose. Also, if I remember, that piece of lands was donated to the town to be conservation!
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 15:35:48
Actually that's Main St there near the Eldredge garage
Bruce
USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 10:05:35
Agree about the Chatham roads. That bad patch job that was done on 28 next to the Eldredge Garage lot needs work. I hope they plan to put a final smooth layer on top so cars don't bottom out there.
Bruce
USA - Mon 05/16/2022 - 10:02:21
Remembering those "summer jobs" we had back then
Working for Harold Tuttle on the city road crew, working for the eastward ho golf course grounds crew, rolling clay tennis courts at CBI, grocery clerk for Roy Bearse in West Chatham, waitresses at long gone but fabulous places like the Chtistopher Ryder House, store clerks at high end tourist stops like mark fore and strike, and of course being on the town baseball team.
But the best part was we all got to know one another after work at beach parties and keggers at places like the Pit
Are the kids these days still enjoying their summers as much as John, Emily, Judy's mom, and I did back then?
If so who cares whether they are just summer kids rich or poor
It's the experience that is important and stays with you

ben h
USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 21:53:41
And remember that us non-residents pay the majority of the property tax in town here but have no votes in how it's spent. I don't recall the exact percentage but believe it's around 62%+.
Plus, we pay MA state income taxes on rental income,
VERY displeased in the vote to raise STR tax by 2% as making rentals very expensive compared to other locations.

J Hallgren
S Chatham , MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 20:47:22
I know a great number of summer home owners. For the most part, they love Chatham as much as we year-rounders do. Most live in their homes from mid-
June to September and most of their kids work all summer. Many have owned homes
in Chatham for more than 20 years. I'm sure there are some of the "ugly summer visitors" you are describing, but they are certainly not the norm. Norma Avellar said yesterday at the Town Meeting that the town of Chatham has benefitted greatly from the taxes paid by the these people.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 19:16:53
Mmm, I wonder if those summer home owners not from MA would like to pay MA state income taxes. How about vehicle excise tax? You can't have it both ways, a right to vote but not pay income taxes.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 16:23:21
Oh please, NO! Yesterday's marathon Town Meeting is our last vestige of REAL Chatham, people, opinions, history and love for an ever-ending community. These summer people who spend less than one month here in their mega- mansions all year, are making big bucks on renting their houses , while contributing nothing.....not even college kids who are willing to work! They are draining the life out of Chatham.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/15/2022 - 09:38:19
Anyone know Mike Schell's view on Summer residence voting at a regular Town Meeting?
Tony Murphy
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/14/2022 - 17:30:46
Speaking of poorly maintained roads, the road between the Fish Pier and the traffic lights in North Chatham should have been repaired/patched many years ago. It is a Town road.
What does it take to get road repairs done in Chatham?
Gibby Borthwick , former DPW Head, would have had this resolved, even if he had to be the lead person on the job spreading the minimal hot mix/ cool patch required.
Gibby was a hands on kind of guy and had the respect of most.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/14/2022 - 17:23:29
Good Luck with that one Bob. See no rain soon. Oh well.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/13/2022 - 20:51:12
Bob!!! Haha!!! Lots of tension about it - best to get it over with and move on!
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 05/13/2022 - 20:49:11
With any luck it will rain tomorrow, mid-day.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/13/2022 - 19:42:42
Richard - it's a known fact our Town Manager has problems prioritizing items in town that need attention. The more pressing issue at this point is the Town Meeting and upcoming election. We need a change with new ideas and new people . Until that happens don't expect any of the things you have mentioned to be done.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/12/2022 - 06:33:36
Do not hesitate to vote in Chatham for the two openings for selectman in this years election. Nine years is enough. Chatham needs new ideas and energy on the select board. Vote fo Pleffner and Schell.
Earl Hubbard <efhub19292@gmail.com>
southbury, CT USA - Wed 05/11/2022 - 18:29:38
Can anyone remember when the last time Route 28 was repaved.? My Dad told me that the sidewalks on Old Harbor Road were redone in anticipation of the road being redone. He has sadly been gone for too many years.
But Route 28 is still in a deplorable condition. Lots of things that can be addressed with a scalping of the surface. sending it off to Dennis for recycling, and a return for repaving. Do any of your Selectboard actually use Route 28 going to Orleans? Are they not aware of the influence they might have on speeding up this type of project?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/11/2022 - 17:24:35
This Saturday is Chatham Town Meeting. Hosing vs. the Environment. Chatham can have both.

Pressure the School Committee to allow affordable housing on Stepping Stone. Vote NO on Article 62

Keep Middle Road's 19 acres intact. Vote YES to Article 63 Goose Pond Forest.

danyoung <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/11/2022 - 06:47:12
After traversing Route 28 from Eastham to Chatham in support of the maintenance of the CG36500, why is it that the sections of Route 28 that are in Chatham and Orleans are in such disrepair, but the Harwich section has been repaved? And the mid lane reflectors have been removed from the Chatham and Orleans sections, but the Harwich section has been untouched?
Does anyone in either towns have a say in the timing of the repaving of Route 28 (North or South)? I know it is on the list of repaving projects for the State.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/10/2022 - 17:54:05
You may have received a postcard in this past weekend's mail from the West Chatham Village and Business Association urging you to vote yes on the airport articles. Just a note here - this organization exists only in the mind of the return address. Vote NO on these articles and leave the airport ALONE.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 05/09/2022 - 17:04:40
Richard - you hit the nail on the head. Chatham has shady politics at best. Look at the review the Town Manager received in Falmouth. He had the same issues mentioned tgat were unsatisfactory that our Board of Selectmen gave our Town Manager high marks for. Just ridiculous. The majority of our Board gave her high marks for poor performance. We have an issue with a few members of our Board . It's also not right for the "next in line" to have this Police Chief position without proper vetting of other candidates. In addition, for the incumbent selectman to run for a 4th term (12 years) is insane. This individual shows up late to meetings, is never prepared, doesn't respond to emails and has a demanding full time job as CFO to a healthcare company in Hyannis. He is a liaison on the Cemetery Commission and we all know how well that committee has performed. We need a change. Unfortunately the choices for this position are not great . We have one candidate whose only platform is affordable housing, another who has some questionable supporters, and the incumbent . Think carefully before casting your vote.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 19:05:04
Lobstering is much less complicated than Town of Chatham politics.
If a new Chief is hired, does he or she start at a somewhat lower pay level? And work up to what the present Chief is making?
Must be a ton of potential applicants out there.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 17:08:39
The letter to Scott Carpenter was sent on April 14 by Town Manager. I have a copy of the letter that asked them for an agenda item .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 11:53:46
Has anyone wondered why there hasn't been any mention of a new Police Chief to replace Mr PAWLINA? I would have thought a search would be underway by now .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 11:50:32
Correct Dan. Between the 2+ acres on Stepping Stones and the school acreage on the hill to the west of the ball fields accessible from Stepping Stones, there is likely well over 4.5 acres of land that the MRSD is not using or will ever need that could have been declared surplus quickly. It is leased Chatham municipal property. When the Regional Agreement was negotiated back in 2012 we never should have included 32 acres for a Middle School.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 08:59:00
Thank you Elaine for the update.

So instead of using Stepping Stones for affordable housing where the infrastructure already exists, they want to tear up 4.5 acres in Goose Pond Forest.

This does not make any sense.

danyoung <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 07:51:09
Has anyone wondered why there hasn't been any mention of a new Police Chief to replace Mr PAWLINA? I would have thought a search would be underway by now .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 07:21:13
This is inexcusable. The Board agreed to send a letter and I believe they ordered the Town Manager to do this. Why hasn't she complied?
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 05/05/2022 - 06:59:32
Dan, Chatham staff/TM/SB have not even brought it to the MRSD School Board for consideration to declare acreage surplus.
Why Town staff and the AH Trust never identified it as a great option is a mystery. Had they acted months ago when the property was identified by the public as a serious option for AH, it could have been incorporated in the Regional Agreement Amendment Warrant Article next week. Inexplicable.

Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/04/2022 - 22:50:32
What was the School Committee's decision on the Stepping Stones land?

Has it been deemed surplus?

Can this land be used for affordable sustainable housing?

danyoung <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/04/2022 - 08:24:21
just a lurker these days but want you to know how much I enjoy Ned and Richard talking lobstering. My uncle Jim relocated to Chatham full time in 1951 from dairy farming in Pepperell thinking he could succeed as a lobsterman. He purchased some cottages on Kettle Drum Lane and a garage from McMullen at CBI.
After being licensed he set out his pots and failed miserably. He got along well with all the fishermen and they said "why don't you open a bowling alley?"
That's how the old CBI garage became a bowling alley.

ben h
USA - Tue 05/03/2022 - 20:15:46
There IS the magic of the unknown, just before you get to haul a trap. You just never know what might be there. Then, the downer when there is nothing. One time, off the CT coast, I hauled a trap with at least 6 large tautog in it - pretty much jammed in, they were.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/03/2022 - 16:29:54
All I need to see is a campaign sign with a photo of the candidate and I know why they are running.
Dan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/02/2022 - 21:36:28
Richard: Thanks for the usual helpful background. You sure know a lot about a wide spectrum of things. I've got to give it a shot. One of our boys worked at the Chatham Fish Pier for a summer. As far as getting bait, I was planning on stopping by there and see if I could get a small pail of fish guts for $20. We just plan on having 2 traps and will likely set them between Holway Street and the Fish Pier. I'll report back on how it goes. Thanks again.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/02/2022 - 16:11:15
Should be spelled dying.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/02/2022 - 10:50:04
Thanks for the update on lobster roll pricing. Lobsters must be dieing in their tanks, and need to be cooked before they are gone.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/01/2022 - 17:51:57
Richard - Brax Landing has the best lobster rolls (my opinion) for under $30. Check it out. I was there a few weeks ago and it was $28 I believe and over 8 oz of lobster meat with no mayo.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 05/01/2022 - 08:22:21
If, at last years room rental prices at CBI were at a level of $ twelve hundred yes ($1200) a night, why would there be any resistance to high lobster meat prices at what they are now? Lots of folks have not gone out to eat for several years, and there is a strong demand in many markets.
Lobster rolls at $40.00? We'll see.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/30/2022 - 17:49:32
Ned and Julie:
Don St. Pierre had many pots in Chatham Harbor for many years. He sold his commercial license for $25K. Others I have heard of had pots near the fish pier, near their moorings. Big problem will be getting bait for your traps.
I had 30 traps in Long Island Sound 35 years ago. Hauled them by hand. I got bait form the local fish market -" flounder racks", etc.
Folks would rob my traps, and maybe leave an empty beer can. Dave Ryder had five traps outside the Chatham Bar. He and my mother ate 80 lobsters between them one summer. Bait was not a problem for him.
Suggest you buy what live lobsters might please you both and cook them at home.. Consider culls. Lobster meat is selling for $70.00 a pound now.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/29/2022 - 17:56:33
All: Does anyone know when the "Schoolies" start to run off of Chatham? I believe its imminent, right? If there are any lobsterman our there, we have a quick question. For Valentine's Day, Julie and I gave each other Lobster Traps. Once we get the licenses secured we plan to set them up in Pleasant Bay. I've gotten some tips from my brother Billy, who is super experienced, yet moved to Maine to really do some lobstering. Question: Is locally securing a couple of lobsters occasionally on our own a bit of a pipe-dream and should we just buy them at Mac's Seafood? Any guidance or historical lobstering stories appreciated. I understand that the earlier Cape settlers used them for fertilizer.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/29/2022 - 09:57:29
To Richard Ryder---just read your post about how many boat models, cousin Dick Matteson, has made over the years. I don't know the number, but he donated some beauties over at the Old Atwood House. They are amazing. My brother, Craig Matteson made many as well. We have a few here in our home. Such talent!
Betsy Matteson Crowell <marbet73@aol.com>
Litchfield, ME USA - Wed 04/27/2022 - 20:55:40
At the Select Board meeting tonight - they are discussing the Town Manager's performance evaluation. Once again she was given high praises. Mr Metters made an excellent point that Not all comments were read aloud. It's too bad because they make her sound as though she walks on water - which many of us have an issue with. We pay her over $200K yearly and taxpayers have the absolute right to know how the Board of Selectmen (that we elect) evaluate her. I have made a public records request for the number of lawsuits as well as the costs involved, along with the number of employees that have left since the Town Manager started. She chose to ignore my request so I complained to the Secretary of State. She has been ordered to produce these records. All is not what it appears - and there are many things going on here that have been covered up for too long.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 04/26/2022 - 19:39:15
Richard, you'd have gotten a kick out of all the kids on the military bases we were at when Colors was sounded. All these little kids out playing, ages 2-13ish.

Colors sounds and ALL the kids stop what they were doing, face the flag and salute. No adult had to tell them what to do....they just did it. It was amazing.

JimP
USA - Mon 04/25/2022 - 07:56:32
One other flagpole story.
As a Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class, while standing Mate of the Day Watch at the Naval Hospital Portsmouth, NH one winter night, it was my duty to supervise the lowering of the "colors" at sunset. We were under the evil eye of the Marines at the Portsmouth Naval prison nearby, so we tried to be accurate as far as sunset colors were concerned.
But, a No'theaster had wound the flag around the pole very tightly and we were not able to get the flag down until around 2300 or so when the wind had moderated enough. It was done quietly.
Later on in my career I learned that Marines have a high regard for Navy Corpsmen who serve with them. The Navy "docs" who serve with them, and will die with them, and for them.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/21/2022 - 17:35:15
Richard: Holy smokes, now that's a cool story. Many thanks for sharing it. I'll be sure to check it out this summer.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/20/2022 - 20:40:19
I have a Flag Pole story for you.
At the Old Harbor Station, there was a flagpole made from a pole that Brother John gave me. It went through several winters, but it met it's demise one particularly strong blow.
Along comes a call from Uncle Bill Ryder, who says to me " Richard, do you have any use for a mast from the SS Pendleton Life boat"? He had boarded the stern of the tanker a few days after the rescue and took off whatever wasn't fastened. He and other Chatham pirates.
I said, hesitantly, Sure I can find a home for it.
So, it was installed surrepeticiously at the Old Harbor Station at Race Point.
So, the former mast from the Pendleton Lifeboat is now the flagpole for the Station. I think this is where it should be.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/20/2022 - 18:56:43
Tommy et. al.: Appreciate the tip and happy to report that we have a Hamco flag pole ordered. The woman (Meghan) who helped us, responded with a nice laugh when I told her a friend had advised that Hamco got started in Chatham. She indicated that the original owner had saved incredibly detailed records of all flag poles it had ever (going back more than 60 years) provided and the applicable address and owner. She indicated that the "records were really cool." I thought that was pretty neat. Super nice people at Hamco. In any event, I appreciate the kind guidance and look forward to proudly flying both old glory and a nice Chatham flag if I can locate one.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 22:05:04
Bruce, It ain 't what it used to be. The seals have taken over. They eat whatever they can find. That includes young haddock and codfish. And Fluke that were in Pleasant Bay.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 18:01:08
I haven't seen commercial fishing boats going out from or returning to Chatham Fish Pier in quite some time. Does anyone know why? Has commercial fishing been halted here for some reason?
Bruce
USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 14:22:58
I haven't seen fishing boats going out from or returning to Chatham Fish Pier in quite some time. Does anyone know why that would be? Has fishing stopped here? It's been several months since fishing boats unloaded their catch here.
Bruce
USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 14:16:52
Richard, Thank you very much for the Bronze Surfman's marker. Thank you also for all you do to keep memories alive.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 04/19/2022 - 09:43:21
Ned, Hamco flag polls was started right here in Chatham.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 23:03:13
Ned, perhaps Tom Birch can steer you in the right direction. He makes sure that there are flags flying at the Shack by Chatham Light.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 20:40:56
All: Can anyone give us some guidance on a local business that sells Flag Poles? As always, many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 20:09:43
It was good to meet fellow descendants of members of the U.S. Life-Saving Service. With 4 stations in the Town of Chatham, and each having a minimum of 7 men mostly from 1872 to 1915, there must be a bunch more Grandchildren of these Life-Savers around.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/18/2022 - 17:28:20
Richard, on behalf of the James family, please accept our most sincere thanks for your generous gift. I so enjoyed visiting with you and look forward to more conversations.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 04/17/2022 - 11:15:07
Richard - you outdid yourself!! Well done on the Bronze Surfman marker!!! That was a sincerely class act on your part, kudos to you!!!

I owe you a lunch when next up here!!

A sincere: "Thank you."
Jim.

JimP
USA - Sat 04/16/2022 - 21:59:24
I wanted to say "Thank you" very much to Richard Ryder for the bronze Surfman grave marker for my greatfather, Capt. George Nickerson Harding. It is absolutely stunning and a wonderful memory of his service. It was a pleasure to meet you yesterday!

Ned - Not sure what "exact" questions you have regarding the City Hall system; however, it is very safe and I've used it many times.

JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 04/16/2022 - 13:52:56
Richard: At some point this Spring, would you like to come over to our place on Cedar Street and see the Asparagus Patch (and take some home)? It's been there for over 40 years and is pretty prolific. Mike and Barbara Doyle put it in (and they sure knew what they were doing). On another topic, does anyone know anything about the automated system "cityhallsystem" that the Town of Chatham uses? Any background or history on it would be appreciated. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/16/2022 - 10:52:32
After watching the most recent BOS meeting regarding the possibility of re-acquiring a few acres on Stepping Stones Rd to build a few affordable or attainable homes, I was stunned by how much the "process" got in the way of the "progress"! No wonder nothing gets done. They can't see the forest for the trees. If all the projects they talked about "teed up and in the queue" waiting to be started, no lest completed, there are just too many irons in the fire, too many Indians and NO CHIEF. Time for change.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/14/2022 - 13:17:02
My Dad Dave Ryder grew asparagus at our family home at 220 /218 Old Harbor Road in the late 40's, early 50's. Across the street were some characters. Two brothers (abby Donut included) and a sister who had two cows and a horse. They sold raw milk. Now their pasture land has two houses on it. There were cows pastured in West Chatham.
I can't go back to Chatham except to visit. It is totally not the same place.
And, the loss of the elms on main street changed the shady ambience that brought folks to visit initially. Before air conditioning.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/13/2022 - 19:35:54
Amy - I am so disappointed with all of them. I hope voters will recognize this and vote in the two new folks that are running. Enough is enough. We need new blood in Town Management YESTERDAY.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 20:04:15
Right on Judy. They couldn't get out of their own way. Had they acted two to three weeks ago, it could have been put on the town meeting warrant. Instead, all of a sudden, they are not sure how to proceed on affordable housing measures. No wonder nothing gets done.
Amy
USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 19:48:58
If anyone wonders why Chatham has such an awful time trying to figure out affordable/attainable housing - watch the replay of tonight's BOS meeting on the agenda item regarding housing. The Select Board is trying to figure out how to approach the School Committee about using the excess land which is 30+ acres . The Town of Chatham leases this to the Monomoy School District. This is why nothing gets done. I give Vice Chair Davis credit for her comments .
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 19:16:41
I would trade box wine from Chile for asparagus from Chatham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 17:49:08
All: New and much more interesting topic. Sometime this summer or early Fall, Julie and I wanted to see if we could subsist for 30 days exclusively off-the-land in Chatham. We have a very large vegetable garden (thanks to our friends Mike and Barbara Doyle) and we clam and fish regularly. If you know what you are doing (which I don't yet) you can apparently eat lots of other stuff (e.g., Burdock, Cattail, Clovers, Chickweed, Fiddleheads, Curled Dock, etc.). The only thing Julie is concerned with is the fact that we don't produce wine. I told her that she could always barter for a bottle of vino with tomatoes or asparagus. I think that it is doable - heck, it would probably be as healthy as heck and add a few years to our lives. What do you folks think? Does anyone have any stories about eating local unusual wood fare?
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/12/2022 - 10:00:13
Ned, Cut and paste this into your address bar and it may answer some of your questions. Or you can call Ben Nickerson or Milley and I am sure they would be happy to take care of your brush until you can stop the sticker office and work this out. I think your timing is off as most people don't get new stickers at this time of year. They are open a lot more in June when there is a lot more demand. And they are always very nice. As you can see from the website you can call the Community Development number for help. They are very nice too.
https://www.chatham-ma.gov/311/Sticker-Office

Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 20:18:06
Karen: Many thanks for the number (508-945-5108). No luck. We just now called it and a recording advised that we "have reached the Chatham Sticker Office after hours, please call back during normal business hours. It's 2:10 p.m. EST. No opportunity to leave a message either. This is a tad disappointing. If anyone has a bit of guidance, can you please flip us a private email (don't want to clog up the Chat-M-Room with silly stuff like this). I want to be diplomatic, but, we have some brush to move. We have now called and emailed repeatedly - to no avail. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 14:17:59
Sticker office number is 508-945-5180
Karen
USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 12:57:18
Howdy: Does anyone have an actual telephone number for the Town of Chatham office that issues Transfer Station decals? The system has gone automated and it has some issues to put it kindly. Case in point, we tried unsuccessfully to order new decals (and submitted the requisite ownership documentation) and were advised that there is no record of our owning a home in Chatham (no one answers the number they listed to call if there are problems - nor will they respond to emails). Geez, I wonder if this now means we can disregard our $3.3K Real Estate Tax bill that's due next month. All kidding aside, we have a bunch of brush to take to the Transfer Station and any guidance from the Chat-M-Room would be appreciated. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/11/2022 - 11:58:21
I am looking for anyone who worked at Rose Acres or later at the Stage Harbor Inn. Also, Brooks Academy, which was there one year. Thanks.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/10/2022 - 23:11:28
Richard - unfortunately the deadline was 3/31 to turn in papers to run for Select Board.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 21:39:44
If there are any Ryders in Chatham that decide to run for Selectman (person/board) I have a large metal car roof mounted sign that says RYDER For Selectman, which I used here in Eastham in a low budget race. Admittedly, I only had three roadside signs, which I would move around to give best exposure.
(Maybe I really didn't want to be subjected to so many evening meetings.)
What say you Karen and Mike and Bob?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 17:04:06
Earl - Thank you! I hope the Selectman that is running for the third term is voted out. He has done nothing. He is the liaison to the Cemetery Committee and the cemeteries are still a mess. As far as the Town Manager - she should have left years ago. Chatham needs an influx of new blood in Town Management. Hopefully this election coming up will help put new folks in office.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 15:39:30
Judy, Read your article in CCC. It hit all iproblem issues currently in Chatham. Poor management by TM and Select Board. We need another selectman to retire so that two new persons could be elected. New energy new ideas
Earl H <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 14:04:35
Judy,Finally read your article in Mar 31 CCC. Excellent, you hit every button of the issues in Chatham. Poor management by TM and Select Board. We need another selectman to retire and vote in new blood with new ideas.
Earl <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 04/09/2022 - 13:55:16
FYI - Cape Cod Chronicle news update:
https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5714/news_shorts/8573/Former-Select-Board-Member-Florence-Seldin-Passes-Away.htm

Going to miss her as never had any issues with how she did things for the town.

J Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/06/2022 - 15:49:33
I think Dad had preferred a boat with a cutaway forefront. In other words, the bow was not all perpendicular to the sea. Like a knife edge in front of you, but having the edge of the knife somewhat reduced so the rudder was not overwhelmed with a following sea.
No wonder he never let me take the wheel when we were retuning from a fishing trip. I might have been in my 20's. Steering to a compass course was allowed, in thick fog. But once we got close to the bar, it was his show. Rightfully so. You could see clam shells and the sandy bottom. It was always shallow.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/05/2022 - 19:23:32
"MARIE S" will cover Joe Stapleton's boat name. One important component of several of the broaching events on and near Chatham bar over the years was "deep forefoot" of the vessels involved. Those boats handled very differently from other designs. Much harder to handle in following seas.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/04/2022 - 17:58:24
We certainly were aware of the loss of the Novi boat "Cachalot", which carried two fine men to their watery demise. Another broaching event. Archie Nickerson and the father of Murray Larkin, a former brother in Law.
Were these casualties due to design flaws in the boats that were built in Nova Scotia?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/04/2022 - 17:45:16
The broaching of Joe Stapleton's boat was well covered in Bernie Webber's book "Chatham, The Lifeboatmen". Kinda eerie the way he describes it. And what didn't happen afterward. "Joe Stape" apparently never gave Bernie any thanks for picking him up out of the water. I don't remember Joe's boat name, but Brother Bob wil hopefully fill in.
There are three broachings on Chatham Bar that I know of, in my lifetime. Some with loss of life. Are there more in recent times?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/04/2022 - 17:29:59
I had purchased a model of the Boudreau boat the Bluenose from Dick Matteson. He had made a model for me of the Sea Peach. And I do have another boat model made by Dick. The model of the Jeannie S. was probably made by him as well. He has a good eye for such things. I wonder just how many models he has made?
Turns out that the co-owner of Chatham Boat, Paul Avellar, had been a crewperson on the Bluenose as a young person. So, I gave him the model of the Bluenose.
The Chatham Boat Company has been very supportive of the CG36500 over the years.

The broaching of the Jeannie S. was never discussed in the Ryder household, to my knowledge, although Dave and Alice Ryder must have known about it.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/03/2022 - 17:25:22
The Man Overboard retrospective story (CCC 30 March) loops back to another fisherman who died at sea, but Bill Amaru couldn't have known that it echoes Eddie Boudreau's father's fate. His daughter Phyllis relates that "my grandfather died by drowning also on a fishing boat he went over. The captain wouldn't stop right away and by the time they turned around he had drowned. I'm sure my father had that on his mind while this episode was unfolding." That was Louis Nectaire Boudreau (1875 - 1934) who perished in a dory from the Dot and Hellieh along with three others, two from other schooners in a storm off Wedgeport, Nova Scotia on 30 December 1934. Details are in a findagrave.com obit for Louis.

A news clipping contemporary to the Man Overboard incident details how on February 4, 1956 Ted Hyora was the crew mate with Edward Boudreau during the rescue. The details blur between the two articles as retellings often grow. The rescue captain was Eddie of Eddie's Fishmarket, whose shop photo also appeared in this CCC issue titled Remember When?, captioned Phillips Market in Chatham, 1960s.

Presumably Eddie received a citation from the Humane Society like Ted Hyora did.

Donna Hyora <webscribe@montana.com>
Missoula, MT USA - Fri 04/01/2022 - 14:05:54
Jeff - agree with you 100%. I am more than livid taxpayers are paying for the developer's screw up. It should make folks wonder what else we have unknowingly paid for. . It was an outstanding letter. I hope folks remember this at voting time when one of the Select Board can be replaced. He's been here way too many terns, and like our Town Manager, needs to go.
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net>
Wchatham, MA USA - Fri 04/01/2022 - 12:48:14
Excellent Letter to the Editor in this weeks Chronicle from Jon Alberts regarding the recent storm water drainage project in Riverbay Estates. My wife and I fully agree with the sentiments expressed. I would suggest that the $300K+ expenditure was a misuse of State Chapter 90 funds. It is disappointing to see the town manager, town consul, and most select board members aligned so closely with the developer/builder in question.
Jeff Hendel <jlhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/01/2022 - 09:17:12
Another big investment firm buying Chatham property (Wayside). Just what Chatham does not need. How soon before they want to knock it down for condos?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 22:53:59
FYI Breaking News from Chronicle - Wayside Inn sold for $18 million
https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5713/news_shorts/8548/Wayside-Inn-Sells-For-$18-Million.htm

J Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 17:58:19
Ned:
The librarian at Chase Library asked me if it was ok for him to record/flim the talk, so I guess you could contact him. The Library is only open a couple of days a week. Check it out on the web.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 17:34:07
Richard: Was your speech recorded? If not, please let us know when your next one is. We'd enjoy sitting in if possible. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 10:09:16
Richard, as you remember, Johnny Caton was on our Little League Team, the Chatham Gulls. He was a good pitcher.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/31/2022 - 09:07:55
Carolyn Caton had no connection with the people who owned the camp on North Beach.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/30/2022 - 19:04:14
Gave a talk yesterday about the CG36500 at the Chase Library in West Harwich. One attendee was Carolyn Caton, who grew up on Old Academy Road, but had to leave after her father died. and her mother sold the house. Her brother John Caton served in the USAF and retired at a high enlisted level.
I found that her Grandfather and My grandfather had served together in the early Coast Guard at Monomoy Station. You just never know.
And the aunt of her family who had owned what became our camp on North Beach had actually drowned in Pleasant Bay along with her husband. Maybe 1945 or so.
The beat goes on.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/30/2022 - 19:01:39
Jen, another question for possible consideration could be, Any ideas for how daughter and mother might repair relationship? Just sayin.
Bruce
USA - Wed 03/30/2022 - 16:35:41
Hmmm, interesting. Coincidence? Eversource increased its dividend by 6% (up .035 cents p/s)last month. Now they filed for a "temporary" rate increase which will add $3.50 to the average electric bill (distribution costs).
John S. <jmstevenson@pa.net>
Gettysburg, PA USA - Tue 03/29/2022 - 09:19:16
Thank you, Bill. I really appreciate it.
Jen
USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:53:26
Very interesting case. When I was involved with the Eastham M. Church, someone donated a very large dollhouse for potential sale at a Church Rummage Sale/Auction.
How much to charge for it? Make an offer.
This is different - more personal.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:52:37
Jen, send her lawyer a letter with the judgement and demand she make the doll house available. That should get things moving.

You also have the right to send the mother a letter stating the same if the lawyer no longer represents her.

If there is no response the next step is going to court for supplementary process. You will subpoena the mother and she must go to court to answer. Unlike the original lawsuit she must appear.

Go to small claims court clerk and ask them how to do this.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:40:33
Wow, six days with no conflicts?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 17:21:33
Question for the group: Dad makes dollhouse for daughter. Dad passes away. Mother/Daughter relationship ends. Daughter tells mother she needs to retrieve personal property (dollhouse etc.). Mothers' attorney threatens police action if daughter trespasses. Daughter files small claims, but mother will default. Any ideas on how daughter can get her dollhouse back? Thanks!
Jen
USA - Mon 03/28/2022 - 16:56:18
Jared, follow this link. Public white pages. Not private info. May or may not be current.

https://www.whitepages.com/name/John-H-Schiffner/Harwich-MA/PL3NqzLkky1

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/23/2022 - 14:24:33
Does anyone here have contact info for John Schiffner? Email me if you can help.
Jared Fulcher <meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/22/2022 - 19:00:27
Tommy Doane:
Hezekiah Doane must have been your Great Grandfather, right? He being aged 72 in 1915. The same year Dave Ryder was born. Did he have a son with the same name?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 19:01:17
oh yes hearing the osprey at 5am is a true sign of Spring here. A lot of new birds this week.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 18:03:18
Two Ospreys on separate nests at or near the Orleans Rotary today . Aren't they some of the coolest creatures that come by here to spend some time? Like Great White Sharks, Whales of many types? Hummingbirds?
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 17:32:49
Linda & I saw 3 Ospreys at Ryders Cove today. Spring must be here.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 17:15:49
All: We went to all of the Chatham cemeteries this past Saturday and checked them out. We said some prayers for some friends that have passed and read the histories on the stones. Beautiful places, all of them. Many of the older stones are unfortunately toppled, moss encrusted or leaning and the flags are in tough shape. Many of the vintage metal gates are also broken and need some attention too. Good to hear that our Veterans will get new flags. Our family will definitely spend some time volunteering this summer helping out. Whether it's Chatham Boy Scout Troop 0071; the Garden Club; or just some citizens; there's some good volunteer work that could be done. To this end, we called the Chatham Cemetery Resources Office (508-945-5117) and left a message with Ms. Shippelhute. If anyone has a better contact, please let us know. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 09:29:01
Flags placed by the town or VFW or American Legion are not your property. If you have placed a flag yourself you can do with it as you wish. As to branches - this is still the first of Spring.Clean up your own plot if need be- one less thing for maintenance to do. There are only a handful of Boy/Girl Scouts these days- not something they can fit into their schedule. There is still a protocol. So likely DPW will place and remove flags. It all takes time. Fill out a volunteer form instead of complaining here where a few people may see it and pat you on the back.Peace.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/21/2022 - 08:56:50
Agreed Richard. I think there's a miscommunication somewhere. I have also heard the Cemetery Administrator has reached out to the Garden Club to see if they will volunteer to help with flags. Not sure why, as the Boy Scouts were willing to take this on. I was at Seaside today and my impression of the "cleanup" is not what Cynthia reported. Branches everywhere along with Christmas decorations still there. I did not see any tattered flags though. Doesn't appear as though the Cemetery Commission has their act together yet.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/20/2022 - 20:25:52
Excuse me, but if I placed a flag, in a custom bronze (not aluminum) grave marker that I designed for Surfmen of the Life Saving Service, there is no one capable of stopping me from maintaining that Grave Marker. Too old to go to jail, but not ready to give up speaking for what is right concerning flags at graves.
I do think that any group that takes it on to place flags on veterans graves, do have a responsibility to remove them at some point. Maybe a month or two after.
20 Year US Navy Veteran, Grandson of a Surfman

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/20/2022 - 17:58:05
Cemeteries are slowly being cleaned up. I learned yesterday that because of flag protocol and covid this is a slow process. Seaside is complete and next is South Chatham. To volunteer you have to fill out a form. No flag removal on your own.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/19/2022 - 08:01:31
All: We're headed up this week to Chatham to meet with the Rick Roy Construction team (who by the way are doing an incredible job on our renovation). These guys are the best. If anyone is interested in meeting up for a quick lunch on Saturday, March 19, Larry's PX, high noon, let us know. Might be fun to get together over a burger and talk local politics and Chatham history a bit. Hope that all goes well.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Wed 03/16/2022 - 09:59:51
I will also add that the dorms were all remodeled in the 80's. So they were not old and falling down. McMullen's had the sense to know they needed a lot of employees and needed to provide housing. They spent a lot of money remodeling those dorms so they were a nice place to stay.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 21:22:58
CBI has no right to complain. They had lot's of dorm space. They chose to build a spa instead of keeping the dorms. They also had dorms across from the Oyster.

CBI used to recruit college kids to work and give them housing and meals.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 21:18:53
Here's the listing for High Scatteree if you enjoy real-estate p*rn.

https://bit.ly/high-scatteree

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 07:56:49
All: I understand that the home High Scatteree in North Chatham is for sale for around $18M. That's a pretty iconic home. Hopefully it'll get a good new steward. Now to the topic of J1 kids. Having had a bunch of summer jobs on the Cape as a kid, getting the job was never the hard part. Rather it was always finding a place to live. I spent 2 summers working as a Caddy at the Hyannisport CC. They actually brought in 5 pale green barrack buildings (from Otis AFB) for us to live in. They were really soggy old places, but we had fun. In today's Chatham both U.S. and J1 kids are up a creek unless they have friends or an employer to house them. Even the CCBL Anglers kids have a super hard time. Hate to see it as it's a first class town for kids to enjoy over the summer.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/15/2022 - 00:12:19
Is anyone else concerned about the Facebook posts from J-1 students looking for summer housing? They are all working at Chatham Bars Inn. It is a shame so many large Chatham second homes are mostly empty or high end rentals these kids can't afford.Same problem as the local working families, but I think that CBI has some responsibility to provide housing.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 20:01:56
Here we have folks from foreign countries that actually want to work unlike kids here
but have no place to live. Just awful. CBI Is not what it used to be. In the past they'd go all out to help kids find accommodations . Just awful.

Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 19:43:27
Speaking of HS kids here: Watch the stop light at 3 PM at Nauset Road and Route 6, where the high school kids drive out heading to their homes, after classes are over, leaving Nauset Regional High School heading to Brewster, Eastham, Or Orleans. Oh wait, they couldn't possibly take the bus. They have cars way better than my 2001 Toyota 4 Runner. With low mileage and a snow plow attachment.

There might have been 3-4 student owned cars parked across from Route 28 at the Main Street School in Chatham back in 1957. John Pratt had one of them. Isn't Eldredge and Lumpkin there now?

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 19:30:01
CBI had housing till they took the dorms down!!
Chick <Cc junk 466@g mail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 19:06:34
Here we have folks from foreign countries that actually want to work unlike kids here
but have no place to live. Just awful. CBI Is not what it used to be. In the past they'd go all out to help kids find accommodations . Just awful.

Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 18:00:53
When I was a caddy at CBI in the late 40's, early 50's, there were several buildings near the caddy shack that I was told were dorms for the Summer help. Never thought to validate that, but it seemed reasonable to me. At a hotel room rate of $1200 a night (true last Summer, 2021), they could probably finance the construction of a dorm or two now.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 17:32:39
Is anyone else concerned about the Facebook posts from J-1 students looking for summer housing? They are all working at Chatham Bars Inn. It is a shame so many large Chatham second homes are mostly empty or high end rentals these kids can't afford.Same problem as the local working families, but I think that CBI has some responsibility to provide housing.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/14/2022 - 08:30:15
I heartily echo Lisa's comments! For years I have tended to my family's plot in Seaside Cemetery. I finally planted some day lilies which are lovely behind the white marble stone, with minimal care, but I always water and dead head any geraniums I see that have been abandoned! Crayton.....I do yours and the Hetherington's.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 03/13/2022 - 19:22:44
You're very welcome Lisa!! Absolutely no excuse for the neglect and no one doing their jobs. I was so dismayed during the meeting listening to all their excuses as to why nothing had been done. Hopefully more folks will pay attention and things will get better now that there's an audience.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/13/2022 - 15:15:58
Thank you JudyP for being the squeaky wheel to get the cemeteries cared for. For Don's burial last June, my daughter Alison, our good Rob Bergh and I cleaned up the Tuttle plot by mowing, edging the perimeter and the stones, removing lichens from the marble,and creating a distinct geranium plot so they wouldn't be weed whacked. I have been taking care of the plot since my father died in 1965 and will continue until I am in it, but I welcome some help from the town.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 03/12/2022 - 20:55:00
Looking for someone to appraise a comic book collection in excellent condition?
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/12/2022 - 05:57:49
Thanks Wayne.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/11/2022 - 17:43:41
Carol, I sent directions to Otis Howes' grave to your email.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/11/2022 - 14:38:15
Richard- Could you please send me the location of Carl's grandfather's grave who was a surfman?
Carol Olson <carololson47@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/11/2022 - 11:20:12
It's always cool when folks from within the CHAT-M-Room help each other out. There have been at least a dozen times we've been helped out and it's been greatly appreciated. Josie, good luck with your comic book collection. As a kid growing up summers in Chatham, we spent countless hours reading comic books (e.g., Sargent Rock, Archie, Batman, Spiderman, etc.) at the beach or sitting under a tree somewhere. The old ones are very cool and can be worth a lot in some cases.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 03/10/2022 - 07:47:02
Happy to look at comics! I'm a longtime collector. Email me at twood17@gmail.com. Send photos if you have them.
Tim Wood <twood17@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/08/2022 - 12:33:13
Looking for someone to appraise a comic book collection in excellent condition?
Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/08/2022 - 06:12:53
34 year old trooper Bucci was parked on the side of the road late last Thurs. night when her patrol car was rammed by a tank truck. This occurred in Stoneham on RT 93. A couple of bystanders pulled her out, she was taken to Mass General, but I do not think she really had a chance. All this in an effort to assist a stranded driver!!
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 20:48:51
Okay, thank you Nancy. Did not think in that direction.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 18:07:18
Ryder Bros., I believe the flags are at half-mast to honor the state trooper who died while on duty.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 17:52:56
Bob, some flags in Eastham are at the same height. No clue as to whom we are honoring.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 17:20:27
How do I find the reason for flags at half-mast today, 3/7/2022, in Chatham?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 16:45:40
I thought it was interesting to note that the CDC's data on vac, double vac and booster showed that even if you had all three, one could still get covid and this information came from Barnstable County.

Of course is now out that many who are using surgical fiber masks should understand that these makes cannot even trap smoke particles to any great extent, let alone virus particles that are 10 times smaller.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/07/2022 - 16:08:18
U.S. Life Saving Stations numbered about 260 throughout the U.S. before 1915. This included stations on the Great Lakes, the Gulf and Pacific Coasts. Most were in NJ and Long Island. There were two floating stations - one at City Point in Dorchester Bay and one in Louisville, KY. Yes, Louisville - at the Falls of the Ohio River.
There were only two towns that I know of that had 4 stations, they being Nantucket and Chatham.
The original quote was from Keeper Etheridge of the Hatteras Life Saving Station, when his men were grumbling about launching a surfboat: "The Blue Book says we have to go out: it doesn't say a damned thing about coming back".

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/06/2022 - 16:25:23
Hezekiah Doane was in charge of the Chatham Life Saving Station before he became the first and only Keeper of the Old Harbor Life Saving Station when it was established in 1898. He served there until 1915, when it became a Coast Guard Station - Station #42. He was 72 then, when he went to running his powered fishing craft. He was an early converter to being gasoline engine powered vs rowing or sailing.
My grandfather, Richard E. Ryder , served under him as a Surfman for ten years.
It will be nice to get the remaining descendants of Chatham Surfmen together. There being 4 USLSS Stations in the Town of Chatham at the time, that might include a big bunch of people.
Tim Wood, take note.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/05/2022 - 17:14:09
Thanks to Judy P we have opened up an issue that has been overlooked for far too long. It is a disgrace to all Chatham lovers (new and native) to ignore Cemetery records and maintenance. Shame on the Select Board and the Commissioners! I will be in touch with Dee and show her my deed to our plot in Seaside Cemetery. It has location and dimension data and as a retired Librarian, if I could help build the database I would be happy to volunteer. I wonder how many other women, particularly those who have different names, plan to be buried in the "family plot" but have no deeds or documentation.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/05/2022 - 09:09:42
My Grandfather " Hezekiah Doane " was the first keeper of the Old Harbor Station,
1893-1898.

Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 23:29:36
wow!! Richard...that is VERY generous. How kind!!
JimP
USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 19:53:41
Jill, Barbara and Judy: send me an email with a UPS shipping address and I will provide you a bronze USLSS Grave marker for your Surfmen.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 17:47:30
Thanks to Judy P we have opened up an issue that has been overlooked for far too long. It is a disgrace to all Chatham lovers (new and native) to ignore Cemetery records and maintenance. Shame on the Select Board and the Commissioners! I will be in touch with Dee and show her my deed to our plot in Seaside Cemetery. It has location and dimension data and as a retired Librarian, if I could help build the database I would be happy to volunteer. I wonder how many other women, particularly those who have different names, plan to be buried in the "family plot" but have no deeds or documentation.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 15:38:50
My grandfather, Francis Leavitt James, transferred here from Gay Head (now Aquinnah), Martha's Vineyard, as a member of the USLSS in 1910. He was later joined by some of his other family members, one of whom was Samuel Haskins.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 12:18:14
My grandfather, Ernest S. Eldredge, was also a member of the Life Saving Service and is buried in Union Cemetery. Another of his grandchildren, Rebecca Locklear, has written a book "Exploring the U.S Life-Saving Service 1878-1915. It is full of information and activities because it was written for home schooling.
Worth checking out.

Barbara <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Fri 03/04/2022 - 11:02:46
Richard - my great grandfather Capt George Harding was a surfman as well. He was on the Nantucket Lightship for a while. Ned, thanks for your comments. There are a lot of volunteer opportunities available if you watched the meeting. Hopefully the new folks they hire will not disappoint. They are in desperate need of help with the older records being digitized. Unfortunately the individual that did this work previously kept a lot of this stuff in his head. This was one of my complaints that went unanswered - because there is no paper trail of responsibilities as to who is responsible for what.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 03/03/2022 - 19:38:15
I would like to add an appropriate grave marker to any grave in Chatham that has to do with a former Life Saver in the US Life Saving Service. There were 4 such stations in Chatham.
USLSS was a precursor of the Coast Guard. Carl Olson (chowder man) gave me the burial location of his grandfather, who was a Surfman. His grave is so marked, as is my Grandfather. There must be others who on this Room are descendants of Surfmen .Or Keepers of the Stations. Like Joe Kelley, Hezekiah Doane, etc.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/03/2022 - 17:47:25
Judy: Many thanks for bringing this important topic up. I've always appreciated the Chatham cemeteries from a historical perspective. You can learn a lot from the stones. So sorry to hear that are having some hard times. Happy to help you organize a couple of clean up days this spring or early summer. We've done it here in Texas with our Scout Troop a few times. Amazing what a few hours will do. Let me know.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 03/03/2022 - 15:58:15
My grandfather Richard and grandmother Rebecca are buried in a Chatham cemetery. I have permission to have my cremains be buried alongside them. Not lookinmg forward to that. I have expectations that their perpetusal care lot would, at the least, have the grass cut occasinally.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/02/2022 - 19:19:30
Cynthia - thank you for your comments. Perpetual care is included with our property taxes and does, as you suggest, take care of cutting the grass. If anyone watched the meeting last night, it was apparent there has been a problem for years with the placement of flags on Veteran's graves and exactly who is resposible for doing it. The VFW no longer does it nor does the American Legion. The Commission was tasked last night to look into this. The Boy Scouts at one point in time have expressed an interest and it will be followed up on. You are 100% correct that folks are responsible for removing their holiday decorations, etc - but as time has proven, this is not being done. There are many people who are here seasonally that leave shortly after holidays, etc, and leave the decorations there. Hopefully last night's session brought light into the many problems there are with the cemeteries.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/02/2022 - 12:50:57
For anyone concerned about the cemeteries in town or anywhere. Perpetual care means different things to many. It is basically a fee paid for general maintenance of the cemetery: mowing, safety,secure and clean. It does not mean a manicured lawn like the military cemeteries. It does not mean placing flags and removing flags or seasonal decorations. Old times it was a monthly fee assessed for a set period of time. : a year, 10 years whatever. If you want a flag- contact VFW or American Legion. If you decorate- it is YOUR responsibility to remove that decoration after a month or so. Pretty sure none of the dead people care.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/02/2022 - 11:16:36
I think a few of you may be aware that I am extremely concerned about the conditions of our cemeteries - which our taxes pay for "in perpetuity". I asked in November for an agenda items for the Select Board to talk with the Cemetery Commissioners as to what they perceivetheir roles and responsibilities to include. Tonight was the meeting - four months later. There was nothing but excuses from the Cemetery Commissioners as to why they had not been able to do their job. What is their job? Once again - nothing but excuses as to how they have been constrained doing their job by COVID and lack of an admin assistant. The cemeteries last year were a disgrace. On Memorial Day there were Christmas decorations strewen all over various cemeteries. No oversight whatsoever. I hope others start to pay attention to this. It is unacceptable to pay the Cemetery Commissioners a fee when they can't even come up with a list as to what they perceive their roles and responsibilties to be. They couldn't even make a decision tonight regarding the placement of flags on Veterans graves. They want volunteers - but couldn't decide how to proceed with actually getting the volunteers. The only thing that is clear is that there are now three additional town employees that will cut the grass. That was it, along with the administrative individual who left - has come back. It seems to be everyone has thrown their responsibilities over to her. It sounded like the recent storm where everyone patted everyone else on the back - yet nothing was accomplished. Please keep your eyes on this and email me if you don't want to get involved. This is something I take seriously and it is not acceptable to continue in this fashion with everyone coming up with excuses as to why they can't do their job.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/01/2022 - 18:57:54
Anyone interested in acquiring the Coast Guard Motor Lifeboat CG36501? She is sitting in a former CG boathouse in Hull, MA. I think it would be available for free to a good home. Estimated restoration cost is $75,000.
What might First Light Boatworks think about this? Wouldn't it be a great addition to the CBI Fleet? It was used as a prop in the movie "The Finest Hours".
Standing by to give guidance.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/01/2022 - 18:03:52
I play it John
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/28/2022 - 20:54:13
We play Wordle John!
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
W Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/28/2022 - 09:04:19
I play Wordle and Wordle archives ( I started late) and Worldle every day.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/28/2022 - 08:44:59
I have no clue about Wordle. Pat and I just do the CCTimes crossword daily, if it gets delivered. Last I knew, brother Bob does the NY Times crossword, in ink.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/27/2022 - 16:38:47
I wonder how many of you are playing Wordle everyday?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/27/2022 - 13:52:50
Our heartfelt condolences to the entire Meservey family. By any measure, Dan Merservey was a very cool dude. A big loss to Chatham.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Mon 02/21/2022 - 20:37:36
Good to see Barry Fulcher, Nancy Ryder Petrus, Bob Ryder and John Ryder show up for the Friday Event 70 of the Pendleton rescue. They were there 70 years ago!!!!
I am pleased to say I have been involved with the operation and preservation of the CG36500 for close to 20 years. I was held home back then because I had stayed home sick from school. Mother Alice was a tough taskmaster.
.The Ryder memories (John, Nancy and Bob) have been recorded. Barry, it is not too late for you to do your thing. You too were there.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/20/2022 - 18:01:17
To lose a Meservey is to lose part of the Chatham community.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/19/2022 - 17:24:13
Way too tough to take. I see Danny and I on a trip to his beloved Middleboro, circa 1958 or so, in a souped-up car that relieved us of yet another day at Chatham High School. Wonderful friend.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/18/2022 - 21:13:59
Posted just a bit ago on Facebook was a notification by the Meservey family that today Dan Sr. (paraphrased) has lost his final race and departed.
He was a valuable contributor to this site over the years and will be greatly missed by many in town, including myself.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 02/17/2022 - 21:48:10
It has not been publicized due to Covid and other concerns, but if you happen to be driving by the Chatham Fish Pier shortly after 1700 (5PM) tomorrow Friday the 18th, you will see a bunch of people assembled to recognize the 70th anniversary of the return of the CG36500 with 32 Pendleton survivors. Weather permitting, around 1720 or so there will be a CG helo overhead, shining an intense light down nearby for 90 seconds. Two seconds for all 45 who have passed on, and who will have a bell rung twice for them at the ceremony.
The CG36500 is presently tied up next to the 45 foot Coast Guard rescue boat, a boat I personally feel is surf capable, based on an evaluation done on the West Coast, even though it has not been officially rated as such. Getting it rated surf capable would resolve a lot of problems for the Town of Chatham and the US Coast Guard.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/17/2022 - 17:18:34
Ned: Here is a quote about Good Walter and Wicked Walter from a document at the Chatham Historical Society. https://chathamhistoricalsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/Wicked-Walter-Eldredge-Interview.pdf

Uncle Andrew Harding, that owned the store on Main Street years ago -- Good
Walter, (myself), and Wicked Walter used to by paints and oils and hooks and line, and when it came to the end of the month I used to get Good Walter's bill and he got mine. His name was Walter W. and mine was Walter M. -- looked so much alike, the W and the M, we got them all mixed up, so I told Uncle Andrew -- I said we had that all the time and couldn't he straighten it out and he said, "I think I can. I think I'll call the other Walter "Good Walter" because he goes to church, and you don't go to church, so I'll call you "Wicked Walter."

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Thu 02/17/2022 - 12:36:48
Yes, Ryder and Rider were occasionally interchangeable. Makes genealogy challenging.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 19:05:13
The English language only became standardized in the last few centuries; therefore, spelling variations are common among early Anglo-Saxon names. As the form of the English language changed, even the spelling of literate people's names evolved. Eldredge has been recorded under many different variations, including Elrich, Elritch, Eldrich, Eldrick, Eldred, Eldrid, Eldridg, Eldredge, Eldridge and many more.

The ancient Anglo-Saxon surname Eldredge came from the Old English name Aelfric, which literally means "elf-ruler" or Aeoelric which means "noble ruler." Both survived the Conquest, by which time the first element of the name had been reduced to "Al" or "El." Aeflric, Aefric, Alfric, Aluric [1] was listed in the Domesday Book of 1086 in one form or the other. [2]

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 18:31:10
According to Chatham historian Dana Eldridge, the "i" Eldridges were horse thieves, the "e" Eldredges would steal anything. Unfortunately, Dana and so many other conveyors of local lore has passed on. RIP Dana, as well as Noel Beyle.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 17:56:29
I mean "Eldredge." Sorry for the typo Eldredge family.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 09:34:02
All: Does anyone know how "Wicked" Walter Eldridge got his name and where in Chatham he was born?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Wed 02/16/2022 - 09:29:30
Marie, your Dad named his Novi fishing boat after you and your brother Carl. The Carl and Marie. It made sense on the radio that I listened to back in the 50's. The same radio I heard the radio traffic between Chatham CG Station and the CG36500, aka as NFDS piloted by Bernie Webber 70 years ago this week.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/15/2022 - 18:46:31
Sad news. For those of you who knew my brother Carl D'Entremont (Chatham class of "58"),he passed away on Saturday, February 12th from CHF..So glad he had a chance to see Chatham again last October
Mariefulcher <Mariefulcher@comcast.net>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 02/15/2022 - 16:05:22
Richard: As you already likely know, the Atwood Museum lecture series is featuring the author, Casey Sherman, of "Finest Hours" fame on Tuesday evening at 5:00 p.m. EST. Hard to believe that the 70th anniversary of the wreck of the Pendleton is this year. It must seem like yesterday to a few
of the folks in Chatham. Speaking of the Atwood Museum; I checked out their online collection last week. It's incredible! The museum is one of the best deals in town. Between the thousands of maps, photographs and documents, it's a real treasure trove for fans of the town and the lower Cape.

Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Sun 02/13/2022 - 16:21:13
Nancy - Thank you for making folks aware of this. There is also a great letter to the editor in today's Chronicle about this as well. This developer has gotten away with far too much in Chatham and needs to be held accountable for his errors. I will write the letter now and I hope others do as well. No need to use Chapter 90 funds for this.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/09/2022 - 15:38:05
I urge taxpayers in Chatham to write to our select board members concerning the use of Chapter 90 funds to remediate a drainage easement that was removed and a drainage system that was damaged by a new build at 140 Joshua Jethro Road.It is an improper use of funds that are designated for road improvements.The town needs to seek legal recourse for damages done to town property, instead of using $300,000 to bail out a builder and landowner that knew they were responsible for maintaining this easement and went ahead and destroyed it. This is irresponsible.Please watch the Jan. 25th select board meeting where this was discussed and then take a look at the property and drainage easement that is no longer there.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/09/2022 - 10:19:40
I would like to urge taxpayers in Chatham to write to our select board members concerning the drainage issues in Riverbay on Joshua Jethro Rd.They want us to use Chapter 90 funds for road improvements where a drainage easement was completely removed and a drain system was damaged by the grading done on a property for a new build.This easement worked for almost 50 years without any problems and homes surrounding it are now flooding or having drainage issues.It does not need a $300,000 plus new system, it needs to be redug and the easement needs to be put back where it was.There are many other actual road repairs that this money should be used for.The nuisance this build has created with Stormwater run-off was completely avoidable and the town should be pursuing legal damages to pay for it instead.Please watch the Jan 25th board of selectmen meeting to find out what is going on here.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/09/2022 - 10:06:29
Thank you J.D.Cauble on your input on the emergency shelters and thank you for your service.
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 16:47:08
I have a question. Because the Community Center was not opened to help the people of Chatham use it and stay warm, does that mean it was still being heated with not one person using it?
Janice Susan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 16:39:11
I agree with both of you. It is past time for her to leave. It's too bad our once beautiful town has been taken over by developers and those in Town government promting their agendas. It's past time for us to take back our town with the upcoming elections in May.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 15:04:18
Judy, good luck with the Selectmen. Cory and Dean are the only two that truly give a damn, the other three are firmly in bed with the Town Manager.
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 14:58:11
Judy , I find it surprising you expected anything different . The town manager has pretty much dropped the ball on about every town project . For you to expect anything different amuses me . Maybe at that salary your expecting to much.
Mallowes
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 14:57:32
Shareen, CERT is a regional program. So many of us know what a horrifying experience that was, but now you seem to want to place the problem on the lack of volunteers rather than mismanagement of town's resources. Your posts are more taunting than inspiring. We would appreciate if you as a Select Board member were part of the solution -- which is NOT promoting CERT volunteers to the County. Perhaps you will take the lead in promoting better management than we've gotten with citizens' health and safety at the forefront. Relying on resident volunteers to keep the Community Center open is not the answer, nor is it acceptable. Staff did their best under the constraints of their job. Now it is time for the Select Board to advise the Town Manager she personally fell short by resisting and refusing to provide the Community Center overnight to the people who paid for it and continue to maintain it. Town Government, specifically, our Town Manager is first and foremost responsible for Public Safety -- not the public. It was her job to provide residents a safe haven in life threatening conditions -- which this past storm was. This did not happen. We were on our own. We expected far more and anything less is just passing the buck to us, who pay her salary of over $200K per year.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 13:51:10
Anyone interested in being a citizen emergency volunteer here is the link : https://boch-cert.com/
Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/08/2022 - 05:25:10
All: This is an interesting topic. I just called a Cape business about buying a generator. They said they can get me one mid-July. Going forward, will all power lines be buried on the lower Cape? We have lived in 4 different States and 2 other countries, it seems Massachusetts is one of the last hold-outs on above ground power lines. BTW, Chatham is by far the most beautiful of all the places we have lived. Like Dan, I am a tree guy and we try to plant 1-2 indigenous hardwoods a year in Chatham. The pictures of the Cape at the turn of the century are amazing to see. Not a tree in sight (seems everyone in town had a clear and unobstructed water view). However, like Richard we are careful about pruning the yard each year. Rob Morrison (local Tree Expert) is a great guy to use in the fall to get any bad limbs away from power lines well before they become an issue. Hope that you are all well. The weather here in Texas has been chilly, yet, beautiful. Can't wait to get back to the Cape. I find myself each evening carefully reviewing Burpee garden seed catalogs; fishing & boating supply sites; and tracking weather and fishing forecasts. Hopefully it will not be much longer before we can spend much more time up on the Cape. You are all fortunate.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Mon 02/07/2022 - 10:34:05
It's my understanding that when EverSource was finally able to restore 5800 homes late Sunday night it was because they located a single source for most of the outage-an underground trunk line that was damaged. I believe it was shared with Harwich. That's why we didn't see many downed trees. It was underground infrastructure.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 20:36:18
Dan Young: as much as you are enamored with trees on Cape Cod, those trees are a major problem if they are within striking distance to power poles and wires. No matter which side of the road they are on. If lines are to be buried, even then some of those trees would have to be removed.
At one point, around 1895 or so, a telephone line was finally established between Monomoy Life Saving Station in Chatham and the Race Point Life Saving Station in Provincetown. Thirteen stations were ultimately connected. No trees EVER were a hindrance. Even until the bare copper lines were removed and salvaged after WWII.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 19:16:35
Shareen -Thanks for the link and identifying a way we can help our community. I submitted my application to CERT.

John - thank you very much for the history. What amazing support the town once provided! (even pets - happy to see that).

I do not know the reasons why emergency management was regionalized. Regionalization is an efficient and effective concept to support residents for certain services (i.e. waste water management). However, support that requires personal interaction in an emergency does not provide the appropriate level of services. In a storm, people cannot and should not be driving to distant locations (even Harwich.)

Liz McC <emccarte@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 17:30:45
Shareen - thank you for posting the link. We can never go through another storm like this past one and leave the elderly alone. I have submitted my application.
JudyP <judylpat@comcast.net>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 09:00:29
It is a very good thing that the Cape and Chatham have trees. The Cape was treeless many years ago due to clear cutting. The wood being used for ship building, fuel and construction.

Tree planting and nature have "reforested" this area. This is beneficial to all in many ways.

Is there a tree maintenance plan and if so, how is it enacted? Should this be reviewed prior to doing any clear cutting?

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 07:33:17
John - Thank you for your historical perspective / information. This is a great for any Emergency Preparedness revisions. A lot of work ahead of us .....
dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 07:12:06
Anyone interested in being a citizen emergency volunteer here is the link : https://boch-cert.com/
Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/05/2022 - 06:40:05
By the way, Brother John Ryder, who was at the return of the CG36500 nearly 70 years ago at the Fish pier does not recall any loss of electric power in our neighborhood that day.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 17:34:12
It seems there are at least two scenarios that would require a Town of Chatham shelter for a limited number of folks. One, a hurricane where hypothermia is not a concern. And two, a winter situation where folks don't have electricity to power their normal heating system.
As long as the tress are growing ever taller, there will be power lines taken down by falling trees. Seems prudent that ANY tree that could fall on power lines should be harvested in a planned manner, not waiting for crews to come from Syracuse, NY or wherever on an emergency basis to deal with such matters.
In my Dad's time, the trees on the Cape were not that tall and didn't pose a threat to the rudimentary power lines. As a kid, I don't remember many times when the power went out on Old Harbor Road. Our kerosene lamps were at the "Camp" on North Beach.
Now, his kids are all in their 80's, and guess what, the trees have grown. And they are a continual problem. Summer storms as well as well as winter ones.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 16:56:48
I'm with Ned, we can certainly assist in putting together a crisis action plan to assist those in need.

If you rely on government to solve your problems you will be sorely disappointed: every. single. time.

We've got tremendous resources within the Town between the tremendously talented retired folks and those still actively engaged in trying to eke out a life up there. We can certainly put tougher citizen resources to implement a crisis action plan. I retired from 36 years in the military with considerable rank and am familiar with crisis action planning, as are many others that read this forum. We can do better.

If there is any interest in helping, we can form a volunteer committee to explore the realm of the possible in identifying the Town's most vulnerable; adopting decision points which trigger particular action plans; and initiate phone trees and contingency plans to assist those most in need. We have a LOT of unused talent and capacity within the community, let's see if any want to assist.

We'll need a community interface with information requirements as to ID'ing those most in need, decide -in each particular situation - what their "proof of life" and window of self-sustainment may be, and formulate primary and alternate courses of action to assist them. We can rely heavily upon volunteers for manning warming stations, transportation, information needs, and basic medical and nutrition requirements.

There won't be a requirement to outsource a tremendously expensive "study" as to feasibility, nor further stress the limited fiscal availability in times of stress.

It's easy to complain about things not going your way. You want to fix it? Anyone interested...???

JimP
USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 16:21:12
I am so glad tragedy was avoided during this past blizzard. It was just damn lucky, as the Town of Chatham didn't really provide any needed assistance to the elderly, especially with pets who were forced to stay Iin their homes. I am a registered voter and a taxpayer most of my life as well as my parents. But I live alone now and would not know how to survive under those conditions. My neighbors are mostly second home owners with generators purring away, while they are away. Who would check on me and my cat? The elementary school is a brilliant solution. Work on this concept instead of spending an hour plus patting each other on the back. I watch all the meetings live or on demand because I am very concerned about the Town, it's lack of leadership and it's imminent demise.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA, USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 09:05:38
I am still trying to watch the "review" of the recent storm on the TOC website. Is there such a thing?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 08:30:35
Thank you John, I remember when they used to open the schools for shelter. I worked for the DPW 37 plus years myself when we had Hurricane Bob and the Halloween storm of 91 plus other storms thru the years. The schools would be open to shelter people for a meal or rest and warmth. As I said in my earlier post meals could be provided by the schools and replaced after the storm or donated to the food pantry.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/04/2022 - 07:33:01
Richard et.al.: Right on. We need to take better care of our most important group of citizens (our seniors). Seems to me that we can certainly develop prudent plans for "warming centers" on Cape Cod and particularly the lower Cape. They are well established here in Montgomery County Texas. I'd be happy to help with working this issue further with any interested parties. It's an important issue for our community. Sorry if I sound preachy. Also, writing this without my readers on. Hope that you are all well.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 21:13:19
John Cauble was always a highly respected member of the Chatham Police Department.. It seems to me the only thing lacking for a Chatham Town building to become a Chatham Shelter is a bunch of cots, for aged folks to be able to lie down in a warm place for a few hours. Hypothermia is a silent killer.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 16:56:43
I am so glad tragedy was avoided during this past blizzard. It was just damn lucky, as the Town of Chatham didn't really provide any needed assistance to the elderly, especially with pets who were forced to stay Iin their homes. I am a registered voter and a taxpayer most of my life as well as my parents. But I live alone now and would not know how to survive under those conditions. My neighbors are mostly second home owners with generators purring away, while they are away. Who would check on me and my cat? The elementary school is a brilliant solution. Work on this concept instead of spending an hour plus patting each other on the back. I watch all the meetings live or on demand because I am very concerned about the Town, it's lack of leadership and it's imminent demise.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA, USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 16:06:03
Hey JudyP
Some of my tax dollars indirectly support Chatham, so yea I pay attention to what's going on

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 15:38:24
Alan - as someone that is not from Chatham you certainly seem to have a lot to say at times. I will come to Elaine's defense here and let all of you know that she has ALWAYS opened her house to others. There was no need for your comment or the "other" Liz. Hiding behind a cloak of anonymity doesn't bode well for many of us. If folks took the time to post here - they should identify themselves. In the meantime, let's stop the snipping and work together to insist Ms. Goldsmith open up a shelter for folks so this nonsense with her horrible management does not occur again. Until folks starting making their concerns public and identifying themselves nothing will change.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 14:02:22
Added info: Pet Sheltering at the local shelter was only available at the larger shelter at 425 Crowell Rd school location.
J.D. Cauble <jdc107@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 12:12:27
As some of you know, I worked on the police department for 37 years. During that time, I was directly involved with the local Chatham Emergency Shelter operation and later with the Barnstable County Regional Shelter System. There are many pros and cons to having a local shelter vs regional shelter or both. All the factors should be considered. The 24/7 staffing is a major consideration. The Town of Chatham had its own fully operational emergency shelter up until 2009. After 2009, Chatham (and many other towns) switched from having a local shelter to the Barnstable County Regional Shelter System (see BCREPC.com website). Chatham had two interchangeable shelter locations. A large main shelter at 425 Crowell Rd (then Chatham Jr/Sr High School, now MRSD Middle School). The second smaller shelter at 147 Depot Rd. (Chatham Elementary). Both locations had (still have) generators, kitchens, showers and gym area for sleeping on cots. The cots, blankets and supplies were stored at the old Police Station and later stored in an Emergency Management trailer. When activated, the emergency management director and police/fire department personnel managed the local shelter. The Red Cross supplied 2-3 volunteers and volunteer town employees assisted. An employee from the school kitchen staff usually prepared the food when needed. In my opinion, the town needs a local shelter for whenever there is local emergency or when the regional shelter in Harwich is not open.
J.D. Cauble <jdc107@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 12:06:07
Elaine: The bureaucratic absolutism in Dec. 21 meeting you faced when you spoke out was uncalled for. Whether before the storm or after, who knows, yes it can clearly be seen as a display of ineptness. You are a very vigilant gal when it comes to the gaps between promise and performance within local govt.

Have you enjoyed a fair amount of prosperity in your life? Others may have not, so why the scornful tone towards Liz? Of the seven cardinal virtues named by Pope Gregory I in the sixth century only 3 were Christian, Faith, Hope and Charity. Why don't you employ these in your thinking? Did it ever occur to you that Liz may have had a tough 30 hours or more?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 11:54:26
I am identifying myself below to distinguish myself from the other "Liz" in the CHAT-M-Room.
It has been acknowledged by the town and the Council on Aging that we need to support our seniors. The most important thing we can do is to keep them safe. What better way to show we care for our seniors than to address this need that surfaced in the recent storm? Thank you, Judy and Elaine, for discussing this in the Select Board meeting.
We bear responsibility for ensuring we and our neighbors are safe. However, as we age things get confusing and we may need help in dire circumstances. My friend's older parents were sitting in their 50 degree home, overwhelmed with the situation, no coats on. Fortunately she was able to check on them and help.
With our older population we need to go beyond traditional support.
We also do need to address the pet concern that was raised in the Select meeting. Seniors with pets (me included) will not leave their homes unless they know their pets remain safe. A reality that needs to be considered.
Bob Fishback has a great suggestion for the elementary school. Let's work on this and I am happy to volunteer for planning and implementation.

Liz McC

Liz McC <emccarte@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 11:28:21
Jared YES Kelley drove around the shore in a big ole Chevy Caprice. He was a hell of a shell fisherman, nothing stopped him. His Dad, Robert Gleason was a Chatham teacher as well.
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/03/2022 - 06:45:33
Hey Liz. How about a last name? I use mine. Not very brave of you. Personal attacks are not productive among adults.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 20:35:59
Where, Judy? I want to see whose eyes roll. And why.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 19:24:12
Elaine: Did you lose power? It was my understanding that you had a whole house generator for your 8000sqft of living space. Maybe during the next power outage you should open your doors to all the people you, supposedly, care about. What do you say?
Liz
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 19:23:01
Thank you Judy. I will find a way to view it. And thank you Elaine, in general!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 18:27:15
The issue at this point isn't the location. It's the fact the Town Manager has refused to staff a town building overnight. Certainly the Elementary School would be a very viable location. It was used years ago for that purpose. It may be too close to the CFD and EOC creating traffic in a congested area with emergency vehicles trying to get in and out. That would be their call. Right now it's part of the school district which could be a hurdle to get anything done quickly. We need a commitment from the Town before the next storm that a town building- CC or CES- will be open overnight.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 17:59:08
Sorry to hear about Kelly Gleason passing. I didn't know him as well as I knew Bobby, but both their wives, Jan and Sharon worked in the schools and I knew them both. Did Kelly used to drive around the shore in a Chevy Caprice, or am I thinking of someone else?
Jared Fulcher
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 17:49:51
I just checked to see if last night's meeting was online - it's available to watch.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 15:29:15
That is a great idea to use the school!!! The meeting from last night should be available on demand by now. Nothing was settled. Everyone spent a lot of time thanking everyone for their help and patting each other on the back. The problem was addressed briefly by speakers but it was difficult not to see certain members of Town roll their eyes at the suggestion to keep the Community Center open. With taxpayers now having to pay for the Elementary School - there is no better option than to use that building. Great suggestion - and one that will be hard to ignore.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 15:14:27
Bob Fishback had a point using the school. When I worked for DPW in hurricane Bob and the Halloween storm of 91 we used to be able to to the Crowell Rd school for meals and also sometimes the Depot st school too. The town could staff one or other to do this and buy food for a hot meal and if not needed donate the food to the food pantry.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 13:47:39
Good points Bob F. I would accept almost any place that was warm and open through the night. Sixteen miles to shelter was NOT a reasonable option. I gave up getting cold when I sold my last boat. Regarding last evening's review, we had a dinner plan that prevented us from seeing it. Was it recorded? If so, when might it appear on channel 18?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 12:49:41
Elaine, Cousins Bob & Richard, sister Susie and my fellow slowly thawing Chatham taxpayers: Having followed the "Warming Center" thread in the Chat-M-Room and watched the SB debrief last night, I think we are focusing on the wrong building. MRSD would like us to resume responsibility for Chatham Elementary School, so let's do so and designate it as the town's emergency shelter/warming center. There is adequate parking outside and single-story space inside. It has a decent sized gym suitable for setting up cots if needed. It has a full kitchen and dining area, bathrooms, etc. There's no need for an elevator with its risk of stranding folks upstairs or down. It is adjacent to the Fire Station and its EMTs if they are needed. And it is a short walk/ride to the Community Center if overflow/shared services are warranted. It would need a generator, I believe(?). And IMHO emergency shelter is more important than COA recreational facilities.
Bob Fishback <robertef45@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 12:08:30
Reading the Chronicle online today, I found an obituary for my next door neighbor at 269 Pleasant St, Arthur Bedard who passed on January 29. Now his visitation & funeral is tomorrow morning and people won't get the paper until later in day so using this to get word out.
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/chatham-ma/arthur-bedard-10556811

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 11:36:54
I would too, Bob. Sunday at 5pm after 30 hours in the dark and cold, 5800 homes were still out of power with restoration not expected until Monday night at 8pm yet the decision was made to close the Community Center at 7pm despite interior home temps of 40 degrees and no communication. It was a miracle EverSource and the EOC pulled off restoration of most homes by midnight Sunday and they are applauded. But we should not have to rely on miracles. I hope the decision will be, moving forward, to keep the Community Center open.

We do not need a "shelter" with all the bureaucratic red tape that requires. We do not need beds or food. All we need is a local, warm place to escape to when conditions are life threatening, which they were. We had that very place, and it was closed. Instead of all the reasons we can't, we need a can-do attitude.

At the risk of being redundant, the solution is simple.
1)Communicate before the storm what the plan is and stick to it. We had plenty of warning of the magnitude of this "historic" storm.
2)Tell residents the CC will be open all night until power is restored and they can bring pets- that they should bring cell phones and snacks and whatever they think they will need. That would free up first responders to deal with the most critical situations rather than transporting people to shelters 20 miles away.
3) Moving forward, allocate emergency funds from free cash to pay volunteer town employees to keep the building open. They have never even been asked. And our Emergency Manager should be full time. It is small money.The Town Manager has the authority to make this happen. She makes the call. Everyone reports to her

Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 11:14:49
Is today's purported TOC "debriefing" behind closed doors? I'd really like to see or hear it.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/02/2022 - 09:11:37
rip. Kelley Patrick Gleason
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 18:47:29
Dick Fulcher, Thanks for the info. I purchased the letter.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 17:32:46
Most of Eastham was without power for 30 hours or so. We had 1/2 power, or about 58 volts instead of 120. Our generator took up the slack. We lost our phone service so we couldn't get the welcome and informative updates from our Eastham Police department. (They had their issues with no generator functioning.)
I am distressed to hear from brother Bob that he and his wife endured more than 30 hours without power or heat. Why was it so difficult for the Town of Chatham to open the Community Center for overnight sheltering? They must have paid overtime for the Highway Department to keep up with road conditions as best they could. When no one was supposed to be driving.(except to Nauset Regional High School in Eastham for sheltering)

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 16:59:49
I'd like to point out a few facts. CC Tech in Harwich never opened as a Shelter. Yesterday afternoon the County inexplicably close Nauset HS shelter that we had w been instructed to use- 16 treacherous miles away. The only shelters open were Barnstable, Sandwich and Falmouth.Nothing near us.As of 4pm yesterday Chatham still had 7700 homes without power and interior temperatures were in the 40's. Most of us were advised by EverSource we would not have power restored until 8pm tonight. That meant we had another night ahead of outside temps in the single digits, and yet the Town refused to keep the Community Center open through the night with such life threatening conditions. We were extremely fortunate that EverSource was able to get the power back to most by 8:15 last night-avoiding a potential disaster. We should learn from this that we as a community are on our own and we expect the town to provide a place of refuge at night when lives are at stake. There is simply no excuse it wasn't done and that plan wasn't communicated before residents lost power and communication.
Elaine Gibbs
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 13:36:03
Shareen and others: Sorry if you have trouble with lengthy posts but as part of the SPAM blocking code that I added when I created this site was a couple of count limits in post. It was based on surveying good and bad posts and also keeps it easier to read.
Normally I don't say anything about details of those internal tests but to make it better for you regular folks, here's some info:
An individual post is limited to 1920 characters. Why that odd number? It's from my COBOL days, and is from a IBM 3270 terminal that had 24 lines of 80 characters each, which was the first CRT terminal we had at work.
Thus, a post is also limited here to 24 lines as marked by "CR" (Carriage Return).
If you have something long, you can test it in a word processor to see if it's going to work.
If you split it, post the BOTTOM half first because then TOP will appear where it should as most recent here is at top, ok?

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 12:12:38
Bob Ryder, Dick Ryder, and Nancy Petrus There is a letter dated 1855 from N. Chatham for sale on Ebay That you may be interested in if related.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 10:46:19
My email was too long to post- here is the rest.
CERT volunteers manned our Center and drove folks to the Nauset Shelter on Saturday night. No one needed to drive themselves if there were rides available and there were.
The Community Center served as our warming center and was open both Sat and Sun and is open today if you need. The hours of operation were updated as needed on Sunday. Originally 10-5, then changed to 8-5 and then to 7pm. People came and went throughout Sunday, the morning I was there. Select Board member Metters stopped in got an update and even cleaned up the walk way of extra snow and ice. Everyone who came into the Center was treated with care and respect by CERT volunteers. Rides were provided to and from the Center. If anyone needed they could call the Emergency Operation Center.
I want to give a shout out to Team CERT : Dave Miller (Chatham CERT volunteer coordinator ) Pam Miller, Warren and Victoria Chane and others for their many hours of service at the Center during the storm. And an equally big shout out to the businesses that could be open to feed people, provided a warm refuge, a place to charge your phone and even showers.
And to the many people in neighborhoods who had generators and in some case of South and Northwest Chatham who had power and threw open their doors to fellow citizens, neighbors and friends during the power outage. So many of you were posting on social media that your home was open available to anyone in need.
And if you would like to know more about our coordinated emergency response action plans go to the December 21, 2021 Select Board meeting where CFD Deputy Chief Travano and EOC Manager KZ gave a comprehensive review of local, county and state coordinations and services.

Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov >
Chathanm , MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 10:43:05
I am trying for the third time to post this.
Shareen while I appreciate your comments I don't think you realize the majority of the elderly do not have email or cell phones. We couldn't get the messages being sent out. This storm was predicted almost a week in advance but nothing happened or was planned for til it became an emergency. I had neither cell service or email during the storm or cell coverage was spotty at best. The tax payers of Chatham paid for that Community Center and as such are more than entitled to use it. If the Town has the money to fix a bike path that needs no fixing then they surely can come up with money to staff a shelter. To expect folks to leave the shelter at 7 last night to drive to Barsbsrable or Eastham was insane with the poor conditions of roads. I was freezing in my house with a fire. Others weren't so lucky -especially the seniors. I knew I'd be ok but worried about others that weren't as fortunate. Harwich opened their Library. Their COA has been fully functioning for months. What is the issue here? Susie -as far as you'd comments - this is a staffing issue that many of us have challenged for months. We have been trying to fix it - to no avail. I have heard nothing but excuses from Jill and the Emergency Coordinator. It's past time to get this fixed. I look forward to the debriefing tomorrow and many of us are not going to take kindly to these excuses when people's lives are at stake.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 10:34:17
Thanks, Shareen, realize that everyone is trying to do their best during difficult challenges. It reminds me of the quote : "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" ( the hippies had it right!)
Not unlike groups that need coaches or leaders (or volunteers)-- "I want my kid to be a part of it but don't see why I should help out ( or be part of it.)" Age old problem.
That said, sometimes a little agitation is necessary ( the hippies had it right, again ) ----- squeaky wheel , etc.

Susie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 09:26:27
Yes, we got the calls and updates. One question remains - was there a good reason that the Center had to be limited by time constraints? Thirtysix hours without electricity nearly put us into hypothermia. Find a way to open the center 24/7 when needed. I thought the town was relatively rich. Not true?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 09:24:42
Just to let folks who are in this forum there will be a storm debrief during this Tuesday Select Board meeting which starts at 6 pm and can be viewed on Channel 18, YouTube and by virtual attendance.

But in the meantime, I do want to let those concerned about resources for our citizens during storm know, especially the elderly, that Chatham Fire Department (CFD) in coordination with the Emergency Response Team and the Town Manager sent out resource updates through reverse 911 calls and emails before, during and after the storm. The Town of Chatham communicated updates regularly leading up to the storm in the Main Sheet newsletter, website and on social media . All hands that were needed and available were on deck, and yes the roads were terrible after the storm it takes time to clean up a major weather event. The town roads seem to be better than the State road. I understand DPW did a 12 hour shift Sat- through Sunday night to make the roads accessible for emergency responses and in preparation for Eversource resources and back at it on Sunday- as I am sure they still are this morning.

I believe the CFD responded to over 80 calls, the Emergency Operations Center (EOC) 508-945-5191 number fielded over 200 calls of inquiries and requests for assistance Saturday and Sunday. Thanks to KZ, our EOC manager for his expertise and to Susan Mabile for coordinating efforts at the EOC command center. .

The Town Manager was on duty and available the entire storm. Along with emergency personnel and essential workers from DPW, CPD, CFD, COA, Recreation and Harbormaster departments- I hope I am not missing anyone that makes up our emergency response team.

The TM worked with the EOC team on coordinated town emergency responses, and with Eversource to make Chatham a priority. She was at the Community Center with CERT volunteers both days and gave updates to the Select Board regularl

Shareen Davis <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov >
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/31/2022 - 08:42:18
Bob - it was awful. No excuse for what we've been through. I went to the warming center /Community Center at 10:15 to check it out. Folks were nice - but it was made clear we had to leave by 5. They were not going to stay open in this bitter cold . I asked what about the elderly and was told they could drive to Eastham or "Nauset" where there was a shelter set up. The roads were awful in Chatham - yet plows were down my road no less than 6-7 times . I went home because I knew I'd be ok. It was not satisfactory at all for the way the elderly were treated during this storm. Ms Goldsmith owns this mess. Cory and Shareen were at the center but I don't believe our Town Manager was. Not acceptable at all.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 21:30:20
Very disappointed with the offerings from the TOC during these tough few days of potentially dangerous storm related issues. Seems to me that we older folk expect more than has been offered.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 20:37:12
Here in Eastham, on the bluff, we have endured 90 mph winds over the years. Not so much yesterday. Growing up on North Beach, with kerosene lamps, a coal fired Glenwood range, and an ice box, I am familiar with hunkering down. Luckily, my wife's family came to Eastham in 1946. $1200 for 7 acres on the Bay.
With no amenities (water or electricity) in their first cottage before she was born.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 17:58:11
Kudos to John Martin of Orleans for cleaning up the two "Itty Bitty" round abouts in West Chatham that are two small for a ten wheeler with a plow..
Chick
USA - Sun 01/30/2022 - 15:55:42
Hi Susie - it appears the Community Center will be open on Sunday but not tomorrow - which is unfortunate for the elderly living alone if power goes out.
Judy P
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/28/2022 - 13:20:09
Judy, see Chatham Fire dept Facebook post. Find police, fire and even COA more up to date in these situations. Stay warm (and if for nothing else, face masks help with that!)
Susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/28/2022 - 10:35:47
Has anyone heard whether or not our taxpayer funded Community Center will be open during the storm? I thought it was supposed to be a "warming center" and a place to go to recharge our devices during power outages? Nothing from the Town so far.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/28/2022 - 09:18:37
Check out windy.com for the best forecast based on their computer models.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/27/2022 - 19:09:17
This is from national weather service. Batten down the hatches. It looks like 9-13" plus 4 to 8" totaling 13" to 21".

Saturday
Snow, possibly mixed with rain, becoming all snow after 2pm. High near 35. Windy, with a north wind 21 to 26 mph increasing to 32 to 37 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 60 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 9 to 13 inches possible.

Saturday Night
Snow, mainly before midnight. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 18. Windy, with a north wind 29 to 34 mph decreasing to 22 to 27 mph after midnight. Winds could gust as high as 65 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches possible.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/27/2022 - 11:24:03
Does anyone know a reliable snow plowing service? If we have 10 to 14 inches of snow as predicted, we may all need plowing.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/27/2022 - 09:26:01
What is this white stuff that may be here Saturday? After 4 years of no snow I think it's about time.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/26/2022 - 12:31:40
Maybe Elek Toth would know whatever happened to John Chamberlin, who graduated with me in 1957 and served as a dentist in the Air Force. Elek stayed with Everett Small, and Everett's daughter married in to the Chamberlin family.
I stand by to be corrected.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/25/2022 - 19:10:57
All: Did anyone catch the Atwood Museum lecture, by Bill Burke of the National Seashore Parks Service tonight. Pretty cool discussion on the Cape Cod National Seashore. Many thanks Atwood team, well done.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Tue 01/25/2022 - 18:08:17
i agree with wayne this is good stuff whatever happened to rudy ulrich? in the early 50s, he eddie doane sotir sam liakos and i were sworn buddies. we would go to the corner drugstore for lime rickeys .. girls at least kitty di lorenzo discovered rudy ulrich at that early age so she would always mess up our plans .. eddie and i kept hoping we'd attract a girl the way rudy always did .. never happened .. rudy was like"the fonz" from happy days
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ben h
USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 20:14:55
Richard, perhaps the Rudy you remember was Rudy Ulrich.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 10:49:01
Yes, it took a while but during the night I did recall the name Sandor Nagy.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 10:30:01
Bob: By the way Elek graduated in my class of 1960. He went on to be a physicians assistant in brain surgery. We usually see him at class reunions. We didn't have our 60th reunion because of covid in 2020.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/23/2022 - 07:42:02
Great stuff Bob, Richard, and Dick! Keep it going. This is what this site is supposed to be about. Love it!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 19:52:20
Bob Elek Toth stayed with Every Small Victor Schmidt stayed with Charlie Shepard and Sandor Nagy I don't remember where he lived with. Myself and Norman Howes were good friends with them.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 19:38:46
Bob R: I remember those young men. I find it interesting that the present day leaders in Hungary are not welcoming any refugees.
Was one of the young men named Rudy? They were welcomed in to Explorer Post 71. It seemed like the right thing to do, based on what we had learned about what they had been through.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 17:21:16
Go to town website, click on "Agendas", click on Board of Selectmen"'and click on agenda. Instructions on how to join are there. Good luck!
JudyP <Judylpat@comcast.net >
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 16:54:51
Ned, the select board meeting is viewable locally on channel 18 and starts at 5:30.You can go on a few minutes earlier to be part of it virtually, there will be information on the screen giving you accesss.If you are unable to view this channel, I think you can call the town hall earlier in the day to get any access code information.My neighbor that is experiencing flooding of her home will be doing that from New York as she is a part time resident here.
Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 13:16:36
BTW, we really appreciate all the kind and expert guidance on Solar Panels. We have someone (that several of you have used successfully) drawing up plans now. I'm going to have to rob a bank in Bolivia before this is all over. ;)
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, TX USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 12:18:33
Bob: Glad you had a chance to check it out. The Rick Roy team is doing an amazing job on the renovation. Mike Doyle did a first class job building it 48 years ago and John Roy's team is now harmonizing the new work with Mike's. Great group of lads. We're thinking about having another Chat-M-Room party in June when it's done. Nancy: How does one best log into the Select Board Meeting? Any guidance appreciated. 26 degrees here in Texas. We're shortly headed up to Austin for the Half Marathon tomorrow. Steve West: Hope to see you out on the course. Albeit, you'll be several miles ahead of me no doubt! Hope that you and Susan are well.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, TX USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 12:12:22
In 1956, three Hungarian Freedom Fighters arrived in Chatham. I believe all of them were teenagers. I remember being introduced and we became friends. Elek Toth and Victor Schmidt remain in my head, but the third has drifted out. I wonder what has become of all of them, and would appreciate getting the third name.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/22/2022 - 08:48:05
I would like to invite the Chatham Community to please attend the virtual select board meeting on this Tues. Jan. 25th.Our local builder, (you know who I am talking of,) and the landowner's he built a home for on Joshua Jethro Road,irresponsibly and blatantly removed a drainage system on the property and changed the contours of the land in such a way that has caused flooding to two homes the drainage easement was meant to protect.This has also caused drainage issues, slope and erosion problems to all of the abutting properties.Instead of taking responsibility for doing so they are attempting to get the town to use grant money they have procured for drainage updates to the town to pay for the problems they created there.The building plan was determined to have been not reviewed appropriately by the water and sewer department yet the town seems ready to pay for the this project rather than make the landowner's do so.The landowner's were aware that not maintaining the drainage easement would cause flooding to other's properties yet it was filled in and made inoperable.There has been no accountability and there was no oversight of this build. Please support the abutters in asking the town to make the landowner's take financial responsibility and restore the plots contours and drainage easement to it's original pre-build topography.This is not right on many levels.It will be an interesting meeting.Thank you.
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Nancy Gillis-Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/21/2022 - 14:57:06
Ned, went by your Chatham home just before dark. Looks great. Can not wait to have an "eyeball" conversation.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/17/2022 - 19:45:50
Hope you folks up on the Cape are staying warm and out of the weather. Jim: Yes, we're in Texas this month. Our friends at Rick Roy Construction are doing some renovation work on our home so we're in the Lone Star State until it's done. Speaking of cold weather, have any of you had recent experience installing solar panels in Chatham? Julie and I were thinking about giving it a shot and wanted to know if you all felt it was a worthwhile undertaking. Any guidance appreciated and feel free to reach out to us offline as this is likely not a topic of great interest. Stay warm and safe up on beautiful Cape Cod.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Sun 01/16/2022 - 22:22:34
How's you all make out in the storm? Ned, you still down here in Texas? San Antonio is cold - I think it got to freezing for a bit. Windy. Ya'll have power?
JimP
USA - Sun 01/16/2022 - 07:47:03
Glad to hear the Community Center is open in case we lose power. Messages said they will be open for a warming center and to recharge devices. Unfortunately none of the messages stated the hours it would be open - one could only hope it will be for the duration of the storm.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/14/2022 - 18:22:36
Yesterday, we had a great horned owl hooting in a Palm tree on the golf course. Teddy (the wonder kitten) freaked out at the noise in the dark). They hunt and devour small pets here in The Desert. Teddy does not go out.....EVER!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/12/2022 - 10:44:38
All: Owls are really neat species for sure. We have a well established family of American Bald Eagles here in Spring, Texas. They are also fun to watch. Majestic. I grew up hunting throughout New England and Texas (e.g., deer, pheasant, partridge, ducks, etc.). However, I've slowing but surely drifted away from the hunting and really gathered an interest in birding. It's a blast spotting birds and documenting their travels, movements and habits. Setting feeders in Chatham is also rewarding. Chatham certainly has a real abundance of wildlife. You can really get lost in the birding hobby. Does anyone know if there are local groups that go on spotting hikes on the lower Cape? Any guidance appreciated.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 01/12/2022 - 09:37:51
With a six foot wingspan and silent flight, Great Horned Owls are certainly formidable creatures.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/10/2022 - 10:25:45
We had a "parliament" of owls living behind us in Iowa when I was stationed at Rock Island. Big guy used to hang out on our roof and every summer we'd see new "owlets." Later in the summer when the little toads/frogs were out in the yards hopping around you could see the owls wadling around slurping them up like candy.; the Horned owls were MUCH bigger than they appeared. They walked funny as heck. We called the big guy "Hoppy McHoot." He was always around and it was very neat to hear them in the winter hooting to each other.

We have another family across the green space from our neighborhood here in San Antonio. You can hear them in the early morning before the sun comes up. REALLY neat animals.

I never heard any Great Horned on the Cape but on the occasion really cold winter, arctic snowy (?) owls would hang out around the shore. Made quite the event with everyone trying to see them.

Owls are probably my favorite raptor.

JimP
USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 18:29:26
When I lived in my Old Harbor Rd house, in the summer we would sleep in the barn and hear them very often. I found the noise they made was soothing.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
No Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 15:56:56
We had an Eastern Screech Owl hanging out in the trees behind our house in the early fall.
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 13:41:21
Yes, we have great horned owls in the tall pine trees of North Eastham. One time years ago, after we had just installed an anemometer, it all of a sudden went to zero. The wind was blowing 15-20. Went outside with a flashlight to see what went wrong. There on top of the cups was a magnificent owl. We occasionally hear them calling at night.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/09/2022 - 11:20:29
Yesterday, we had a great horned owl hooting in a Palm tree on the golf course. Teddy (the wonder kitten) freaked out at the noise in the dark). They hunt and devour small pets here in The Desert. Teddy does not go out.....EVER!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/08/2022 - 19:55:10
All: Have any of you recently spotted Owls on the lower Cape? We have one at our place on Cedar Street. I was listening to MVY Radio (Martha's Vineyard) this morning and apparently they has a bunch of them on the island and are hosting a spotting event next week. That's kind of cool. Richard, I suspect there are a bunch in Eastham.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, TX USA - Sat 01/08/2022 - 12:04:15
Yes, Richard and Barry Fulcher's mother was there, selling tickets and candy. Next door, at the A& P, we were aware of rats that travelled between the two businesses. Movie goers were their friends. They had all the popcorn they wanted. I am speaking of the mid 50's.
I can tell you of exploding watermelons in the A&P basement. ( Perhaps a later entry.) I can't make this stuff up.

Happy New Year to all. And an especially healthy one.
Mask up!!!!! And get vaccinated!!!!!!!

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/01/2022 - 17:37:17
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