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Thanks John.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 19:05:41
As you may have noticed, I gave y'all a bit of latitude lately due to the unusual circumstances we're in. And given that those posting are at least connected with military and/or Chatham in some way, it was fine with me but I would suggest that Navy tangent be gracefully slowed down to a minimum/end. Thanks!
Oh, and just saw on NY Times that apparently Crozier has tested positive for the virus.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 15:15:14
Jim, Very good point!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 14:11:08
OK Alice - I believe John gives is a bit of running room to us as Chatham seems to have ponied up more than it's fair share of veterans; we're all children of the same place and just maybe ya'll would enjoy seeing how Chatham's citizens have fared in the world of today.

I didn't mean to derail the constancy of complaints, calling people crooks, denigrating people's characters, and generally being all-around rude to each other that this forum seems to have devolved to.

Carry on.

JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 12:21:01
JimP and BenH both lend valuable perspectives here and have valid points of view. Large organizations need rules and protocols. But sometimes they get in the way of progress. And sometimes it takes a rule breaker to get something done. All things good and bad are amplified in our lightning fast Information Age. Crozier seemingly chose the welfare of his troops over his own career. He lost out professionally but made things happen faster than they would have if he had stuck with the chain of command. In a life and death situation, we find out what people are made of. How does this relate to Chatham? The same way it relates to all small towns across America who pride themselves on doing the right thing to accomplish a greater good. Conflicts and challenges and how they are handled give towns like Chatham and their people the opportunity to look in the mirror and ask, "Is what we are doing accomplishing a greater good?"
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 10:46:04
How about getting back to Chatham related topics, which is the real purpose of this site. We are interested in how people are feeling about funding Capital Projects at our next Town Meeting, whenever that may be. BOS have already said over 4 million for the dump is out of line. We are supposed to have 2 COA buildings up for a vote at around 8 Million. Has the Fish Pier project ever been finished? What about the fine the town imposed on the contactor? You know, Chatham stuff!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 10:14:58
Part III: adding to the 3-star squad leader story, here is a funny: immediately post 9/11 I was in a Corps-sized unit responsible for securing sensitive sites west of the Mississippi. The Plans cat, me, the G-3 (operations), and a couple others were briefing the CG (3-Star)as to the security plan for a particular nuclear power plant. We briefed threat, vulnerabilities, security options, forces available, etc. Gave a recommended security plan, patrols, assets, etc. Guy looks at the plans cat and asks: "What's the patrol routes for the squads securing the site? Now, the plans guy was sharp and had that readily answered. Then the CG wanted to know the individual fighting positions of the troops guarding the plant. The guy had that figured, (remember we're talking a 3-Star General...). Then....the guy asks who the alternates were for the patrols and where their alternate fighting positions were located. We all kind of looked at each other like "what the hell?" That is a decision the Platoon leader and Platoon Sergeant make when they occupy the terrain. He wanted to know all that. At that site....AND all the others West of the Mississippi.

Now you know some of the reasons we are at year 20 of interminable war(s) with no end in sight. The Information Age does wonderful things...it also hobbles us with additional challenges.

JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 09:19:31
part II: Additionally, the difficulty in deconflicting battle-rhythms is nigh-on impossible. The SECARMY is responsive to SECDEF so nests their updates with them and the joint staff; the Joint Staff must nest with SECDEF and the President's calendar; The Combatant command must nest with all of the above; the Army Service Component Command must nest theirs with the Combatant Commander; the subordinates units (Joint Force Land Component Command, Task Forces, Garrison activities, Defense Coordinating Elements within the FEMA Regions, etc) must all nest around those. Then, you have the briefing requirements which must be in place with an "information valid" date of relative real-time. Watching this occur digitally is like trying to castrate a mountain lion in a phone booth. It's harder than Chinese-Arithmatic. A running sample of briefing-changes looks like: "The 1400 SLUB is now at 1500; the 1500 CAT is now in place of the 1400 SLUB; Slides from the SLUB can be carried to the CAT but the CAT can't be used for anything other than the morning synch which normally is at 0745 but has been changed to 0900 - pushing the 0900 to 0800 with no slide requirements. Instead, push the synch slides into a package for the TF briefing which should be at the regularly scheduled time at noon EST (although that has never occurred). the 1500 NLT date for COP slides is now (I broke the length re1400 but be flexible as the Command synch at 1800 looks to be moved to 1645 to allow for an emergency meeting with FEMA and DCO's to address mortuary affairs issues.
JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 09:10:04
As Ben suspects, I also believe there is more to the story than just the leak. I suspect this guy had been on the bubble for a while and this pushed him over.
I'll add a point to Alan's levity - that of running an operation in the digital age. In the age of instant communications, we have what we call "Three-star squad leaders." What I mean is that our digital awareness allows three and four star generals to ask - or demand - certain things normally handled at the Sergeant, or squad-leader level.


Part I:

JimP
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 09:08:24
Turned into a lurker lately but couldn't stay away from this one - strong ties to Chatham and career naval aviator - US Naval Academy graduate as were every one of these guys Crozier up through CNO - why that matters? we all had a plebe year which means we learned the chain of command. Furthermore the TR is homeported here at North Island so the wives and families are all here. Crozier is an exemplary officer fast tracked to Admiral - he definitely knew he was sacrificing his career and as Jim said, he decided to "go public" bypassing his immediate boss who was only one stateroom away - I happen to believe he knew the press would get him what his crew needed while the military bearuracracy would take time. He freely chose to give up becoming an Admiral so he could live with himself. Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Sun 04/05/2020 - 00:04:11
This one's for JimP and Richard-some Adrian Cronauer thinking

What's your Name- Roosevelt E Roosevelt. Where you from? Chatham chat Ma. It's hot,dam hot on this boat. Picture a man going on a journey beyond sight and sound. He could even be entering the demilitarized zone. With a possible NIPR situation, could we have a Fubar program or worse yet a TARFU. Maybe the letter should have been sent under SIPR. Where was ADCOM thru all this? Seeing is how the SECNAV (that little witch of the East) is such a V.I.P shouldn't we've kept the PC on the QT. Yea, once that letter leaked to the SF press, he could end up MIA. One good thing, he probably won't get any KP

I only wonder one thing, who did, do the leaking? Everything you say Jim is correct. Richard, all your passion can also be seemingly be felt by all of us as well, most of all-his crew. In the end, you have to stand by the crew you're sworn to support. Don't know the Capt (and out of respect, will not mention his name), and is said so easy by many, but I do thank him for his service and support,you guys as well. As always, there's probably more to the story, we'll never know.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 22:40:40
For several entries, I have appeared to misspell common words. Having been challenged in CHS spelling bees by class mates, as well as siblings, I assure readers that I do know how to spell most common words. Brother Bob beat me out one time.... the word was souvenir. I had never seen the word, and had never bought one. Somehow, he knew the correct spelling. Don't even try to best him on Scrabble!.
The problem is my vision. I opted to choose distant vision over close up when I had cataracts removed. I wanted to be able to run the CG36500 without glasses. I can do that.

On this site when posting, the text is very small, so I might miss a vowel or two.

And, thanks John for allowing a couple of old military men to take up some space on your site which was not related to Chatham. I will try to do better.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 16:40:08
Bob Ryder and Dickie Fulcher had some good scalloping using dip nets and a view box a few years ago in Pleasant Bay. There is a good amount of seed in Cape Cod Bay I am told.
You would have to fight the seals to gat any flounder now.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 13:39:54
Were there any bay scallops around Chatham this year? Your namesake's cove? Stage Harbor? The last year I can recall there being much of a harvest was in '84-ish. Any improvement?

I also remember that as being the last time there was a thriving flounder fishery. I used to drift snorkel from light house beach down past the weather station and spear a bag of flounder. Couldn't pay me to get in those waters now!!

JimP
USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 11:13:42
Jim and others in distant states:
There are some folks around, but mostly staying indoors or doing basic food shopping. ( I can't even buy a battery for my watch! Might have to use my Grandfatrers pocket watch - one he bought over 100 years ago.)
Water temps are in the low 40's, and with Easterly winds, the air temp has not gone much above 50. This is not our first Cape Cod spring, but it does get old. Not sure about shellfishing, except the oyster farmers have no market as the restaurants are pretty much closed. Price of Cape Cod Bay scallops has dropped to a little over $20. / pound. They are coming from Wellfleet and Eastham. Yum!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 11:06:54
well, it ain't like we're "besties" and sending each other Christmas cards. It was just part of the deluge of traffic and orders coming down dealing with the COVID 19 crisis. If I kept it at work and it's not FOUO, I'll shoot it to my home addy and see if I can upload it here (with John's permission). At any rate, it's part of the standing orders not to divulge readiness rates; especially of one of our 3(?) operational carriers (the rest are going into phase or coming out of phase - but you know more about that than I).

Richard, we're on the same team. You "wrote the check" so you get to say whatever you want and I'm not going to criticize you for it. As this situation develops, more and more info is coming out. Were you aware that the Admiral was on the same deck and a few doors down from this guy? He NEVER mentioned it to the Admiral. He violated OPSEC by pushing it out on NIPR over he heads of his superiors.

We can agree that he made number of errors. Read the SECNAVY's letter explaining why he was relieved. pretty well lays it out.

Other than that, how's things on the Cape? Stripers hit yet? Folks getting sick? Ya'll still able to get to the flats and scratch some necks? What's the assessment as to impact to the tourism this summer?

I'm dying to get back up there and get some necks and chowders. I love the flats - the original "social distancing." :)

How's the

JimP
USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 10:37:20
I have been retired from 20 years active duty in the US Navy for 40 years. Way before the Internet came in to being. Never was in the loop with the Secretary of Defense.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/04/2020 - 10:22:01
Well converse of of all this should be interesting and that is a good thing! I am looking forward to it. And I did like the C.O. Speaking as a vet of the Vietnam War.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 21:58:12
Richard, what happens if the keel of a ship even touches a sand bar or shoal...??? CPT Gets relieved.

What happens when superiors lose the trust and confidence of a subordinate? Subordinate gets relieved.

What happens when you disobey direct orders from higher? You get relieved.

You haven't been out that long have you? The Navy is still the Navy. The military is still the military. You compromise the operational readiness rate of one of our few carriers to potential adversary's...you get relieved. That's what it's about. Violating a direct order.

Come on now. You know better than this. and...yes, we all personally get notices from SECDEF, like I said - it came through distro to me a week or so ago; however, it is a General Order the presumption of which is normal distribution through command channels. You remember that...don't you? The violation of which is punishable under provisions or Article 92, UCMJ (violation of a General Order or Regulation).

and yes...in my 36 years of service to the US Army I faced many adversaries: Communists; Beider-Meinhoff; terrorists; Islamists; narco-terrorists; transnational-criminal organizations; and the environment encompassing all the above, up to and including: viruses, chemicals, depleted uranium, nerve gasses, poison, and environmental hazards including mutant pathogens.

I suspect our Naval Aviator retains enough knowledge of good order and discipline to recall disobeying orders being punishable by a relief for cause.

The military is not a democracy....we exist to protect democracy.

JimP
USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 21:17:21
How do either of you know what it is like to be serving aboard a Navy Aircraft Carrier? Did any of your 5000 men and women under your command ever get threatened by a virus?
And do you personally get official notices from the Secretary of Defense? It would be interesting to hear from a former Navy pilot, who frequents these pages from afar.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 19:25:55
Violation of a direct order from SecDef......he is lucky he is not doing the career course at Leavenworth.
Bruce <Podsqd@mtaonline.net>
Eagle river, AK USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 18:54:08
correction to below post: I am RETIRED now, but held equivalent rank. sorry -
JimP
USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 18:19:49
Careful Richard, he violated a direct order from SECDEF that came out a couple weeks ago NOT to put out details regarding the operational readiness (OR) of your units; vehicles; aircraft; or vessels pursuant to COVID 19 stats and press coverage. He violated a direct order. You know how that goes.

Add to that issue is the Navy and DoD was already engaged in providing relief and assistance to the ship. Sorry, but I'm of equivalent rank to that Captain. had I done something as violative of orders as did he, I'd expect to get relieved on the spot.

JimP
USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 18:10:03
Guess what? The USS Roosevelt crew acknowledges their departing Captain in a rousing sendoff. What does he do at the end of the gangway as he departs his ship? He turns and salutes them.
A total class act.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 17:32:54
Robert Hessler for selectperson!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/03/2020 - 09:28:40
Just read that the CO of the Roosevelt, who spoke up in defense of his crew, is going to be relieved of his command. This is so counter to the way commanding officers are supposed to be treated. Take care of your crew! That was what he was trying to do. I admire his courage, and am saddened that the top admirals had to react this way.

Or did the order come from higher up? The top maybe?

You can bet that the crew of the Roosevelt were/are totally behind him.
At least he was not going to be referred to as "Charlie Tuna, Chicken Of The Sea". That is what some sailors would call a Captain they didn't respect if the CO was the least bit hesitant to show some guts.
My ship Captains were men I respected, and were looking out for us as crew members.
This is so sad for me, a retired Navy person.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/02/2020 - 17:00:42
Emily, completely agree with your posting and I'll add a kudo to Bob Hessler too. It's sad to see the town you grew up in but no longer live in falling apart. I thought having certain people on the BOS would make a difference because of their background but not so. Things won't change until someone runs against the incumbents. An old expression keeps coming to mind about all the projects going on. "Follow the money "
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Thu 04/02/2020 - 11:59:39
I believe I see progress
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 22:56:02
Richard:
You better be careful, your Chat room reputation could be ruined with an any agreement with myself. Nice of you to open with that statement

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 21:43:35
Alan, I totally agree with you. Can you believe it?
This is an opportunity / chance that S+S could take the lead on looking out for all of us. We do have to go there, or to Shaw's in Orleans,.Doesn't matter, we do have to visit one or the other for our basic needs.
Taking non contact temps would/could be a no brainer for them..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 19:12:41
Mr. Ryder:
Transmission tracking is NOW critically important. It costs hardly nothing and it provides valuable important and critical information to medical staff. Stop & Shop is an excellent place to collect that data in the cape region. If one shows an increased temp. what do you, let the folks walk around freely? If one has a temp. its critical for that person to have the test and to track whom they have in contact to knock the virus curve down. Failure to carry out transmission tracking will mean life or death for some in a few weeks, it's that simple.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 18:38:03
In the last day or so, while checking the CG boat or doing shopping , I have seen cars with plates from RI, VT, NH, CT, NJ and NY. We haven't challenged anyone, and won't.

In the Orleans Stop and Shop today, measures have been taken to protect the workers and customers as well. Nicely done, IMHO. Many customers were wearing masks. Maybe they are infected, maybe just being cautious. Let's hope it is the latter. S& S has sanitizer wipe dispensers available as you come in the door. We do use them and wipe down the handles, etc.

Back in the mid 60's, when I visited several Japanese ports while on liberty from the USS Intrepid, many Japanese people we saw on trains, etc, wore masks.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 17:37:49
Wow! Kudos to Bob Hessler for his letter to the Chronicle 4/2/20. He has really nailed the reason why Chatham is at a standstill on so many projects involving so much money. Lack of leadership! This situation we are in present has nothing to do with the pandemic; it reeks of way too much affluence, too much cronyism, too much real estate development, too many changes to the character of the Town. But this worldwide pandemic is teaching us how to live in a brave new world. For many of us who survived World Wars and know how to protect ourselves and care for others, it is time the youngsters learned theses lessons!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 14:42:00
The reason why trace and surveillance is so important NOW, is that the C-19 shows the kind of curve where the the virus limps along and then suddenly explodes. Obviously, if you have some idea of where the virus Might BE NOW, and TRACE the exposure to the high temp. takers, one can tamp down the spike. How much did come up from NYC?

Hence in my mind the Health Depts. of the 2 towns can be doing more. Having volunteers running around with food, especially for those who are financially stricken is great, but stopping traffic over the bridges now (which is under the jurisdiction of Gov. Baker-by Pres. Trump) is meaningless.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 07:26:13
Any notion of closing the 2 bridges is nothing more than craziness. Who will you be stopping,at this point, the very people who U will allow to come over. Dr. Fauci uses the term efficient mitigation. The time for this action has long since passed and if even considered, to have any effect would have been required a month ago. What's needed now in Harwich/Chatham is heightened surveillance. Researchers need to know where the virus is now. Alice's post on 3/28 could not have been more right on, find the people with the dry cough and temp.-where at the GROCERY STORE, then test for temp. I am very surprised that the 2 towns have not reacted. For the moment, those folks under asymmetric transmission (showing no signs of the virus is not very helpful from a pure data point of view for what's happening now! Dr. Fauci also hinted, that if he himself became severely stricken, he probably would lean towards a clinical trial drug, that is to say Gilead's Remdesivir which does show some signs of keeping the virus from replicating-this drug was used to treat EBOLA-hope there is some on the self on the cape. The Kalatra, test in China (combination of lopinavir/ritonavir), all 3 compounds having the same base structure,- Kalatra showed to evidence of a cure. Oh, in just for the record, yesterday Gov Cuomo ordered 7000+ BiPAP machines for possible ventilator replacement
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/01/2020 - 07:14:20
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/cape-cod-residents-petition-for-sagamore-bourne-bridge-closures/2100020/
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 20:33:36
Also the story and link to the petition are on capecod.com
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 19:37:53
Sleep well, knowing the Corps of Engineers are the adults in the room.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 19:33:33
To Richard and Alice, Channel 5&4 had it too. The bridges of The Cape Cod Canal are controlled by the federal government and the Army Corps of Engineers said this evening that they had no plans to close the bridges. Also to Alice I know Richard but I think I must know you too. I have an email address so would love to hear from you.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 19:22:39
Look it up yourself. Got an email address? Have a bit to tell you. Phone number is good too
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 17:15:33
Alice: Please tell me the online source, or the website. As I said, I want to go to the origin.
Who owns Channel 7?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 17:11:55
Richard, latest number says over 6,700. Please feel free to look it up yourself. This is NOT A RUMOR it is an online petition and the person who started it was interviewed on Ch 7 Boston. I am not making any kind of judgment [as you have with me] just telling people what is out there!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 16:56:22
Alice:
I am very suspicious of those numbers. Like, who would start that rumor? In the US Navy, we had an unofficial, undesignated, unknown officer called "Rumor Control" on the USS Intrepid, CVS-11.. (By the way, she is permanently docked two piers away from the USNS Comfort.)

If I heard something that didn't seem in line with rational thinking, I would check it out to find the source. Rumors can run rampant on a ship with 3500 men, as the virus could be running rampant on the Roosevelt now.
Rumors are usually harmless. Not so viruses.

As much as I worry about folks from away impacting our Cape Cod health care delivery system, I do believe that they have a right to visit their properties.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 16:52:14
Just saw on Ch 7 tv that there is a petition going around asking the government to close both bridges to year round residents only, trucks bringing supplies and health care workers. It said 5000 people had already signed it. Anybody else heard about it?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 16:31:28
Wonder if that includes the Dubis family?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 13:00:44
A lot of the French Canadians that moved here from Nova Scotia settled in that area. So the name "French Village".
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 07:20:56
Growing up near there, I was always told it was because a "Frenchman" living there.
Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 03/31/2020 - 00:15:22
Does anyone know why the areas near the Dubis sand pit on Stony Hill Road was called 'French Village"? Alvon's father was called Dutchie when he worked at the Fish Pier.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/30/2020 - 17:10:48
Alvon and i were certainly ensconced at serving at the US Naval Hospital Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in 1964. I worked in the Pharmacy: I don't know where he was assigned.
I worked nights at the Base Library, and had a 125cc Lambretta scooter to get around the base on.
When I met up with him in Chatham, it was at Sandi's Diner .He was even more eccentric as his days went by..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 19:14:45
There was a time I had the honor if interacting with all those characters: Alvon; Fred Rogers; Jake Worth; etc. Unfortunately, I was too young and too immature to understand and comprehend just what "gold" they represented. I was honored to have spoken daily with Fred Rogers for about a year; same-same Alvon. I remember conversations with Jake Worth over several years. I still remember some of the stuff Alvon told me about painting.


It was another era in a time long-ago; when one could leave their house for the day and paint, or scratch, or do what we consider odd-jobs and still live a middle-class existence in Chatham.

I was able to see it....just too young to appreciate it.

JimP
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 18:07:26
I loaned Dale Eldredge a tile saw for him to work on his StoneyHill Road house.
He mentioned that his father,Alvon, passed away a couple of years ago.

Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 14:15:55
Those of you that knew Alvon might be interested to know that his son Dale got control of the family property on Stony Hill Rd. and has built a new house there.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 13:31:35
Is Alvon still around? He was a hoot. Great guy.
Jimp
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 13:18:51
Mikes
I cannot see anyone having difficulties with folks like yourself where the Virus is concerned. The demographics are so extremely different in Rochester than they are in Manhattan. Manhattan has a population of more than 72,033 per sq mile as opposed to Queens with 21,410 per sq mile(the Queens pop. is no small number either. From another point of view, the Manhattan population doubles almost every day with commuters, 1.6 million to 3 Million.

Mikes, your food cannot last forever and you eventually will have to shop.
Rather than you bringing the virus, you may stand a better chance of catching the virus in places like the Chatham Stop and Shop.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 09:59:33
Jim, alvon passed many years ago
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 09:26:28
Mike, good on ya. Let's hope the rest are as responsible as you. Well done.
JimP
USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 08:34:14
Crisis plural is crises
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 08:00:45
I just wanted to give a different slightly different prospective about travelers from NY. I definitely understand the concern about NYC, I think it should have been locked down several weeks ago when the mayor wanted it but the governor would not allow it. But I live approx 350 miles from NYC, we have some cases like almost everyone that is really doing testing would find out in there community. I did travel to our home with Chatham so I would be separated form our son who is working in a high risk job as I am probably not would not do well with covid. I did bring all my own food etc. with me and have no plans to go out in the community while I am here except to walk the dog on the beach.I know there is no easy way to tell those of us from NY who are practicing smart behavior during this crisis.

Stay safe everyone

mikes <michael.sisson@nextcorps.org>
Rochester, NY USA - Sun 03/29/2020 - 06:15:05
Is Alvon still around? He was a hoot. Great guy.
Jimp
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 22:41:22
Not so Jim: weeks after the crisis in PR, I sent an email to our Senators to ask why there wasn't a presence of a Navy Hospital ship in San Juan, PR? Very hesitant responses. Maybe the President didn't have any political reason to send a US Navy Hospital ship to PR.
I think both Hospital Ships being deployed are probably manned with Navy corpsmen and women, drawn from Naval hospitals and clinics around]d the world, and some Navy Reservists. The ships themselves are run by USNS officers, not medical people. The Medical Facility aboard is run by Navy officers, be they Medical Service Corps officers, Medical Officers, or Nurse Corps Officers.
This is my connection to Chatham as several men I knew from Chatham were Hospital Corpsmen; Alvon Eldredge, and Bobby Deere.. I hope I got them right. Alvon and I served in Guantanamo Bay Naval Hospital in 1964.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 19:16:37
Question..."What is the FIRST thing people do when they get here from NY?"

Answer... "They go GROCERY shopping!!" Spread those germs!!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 19:14:52
Richard,. the problem is that if they defied the "stay-put" order to flee, what makes one think they'll voluntary do a 14 day quarantine?

If one of mine got seriously ill due to these "people", we'd have a problem.

Also - I think the Naval ships routinely hit these disaster spots; so often it isn't reported on anymore.

JimP
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 18:43:38
Just how does one spell the plural of a crisis? Bro Bob, help me out.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 18:02:08
Was there a US Navy Hospital ship dispatched to Haiti, or San Juan, after their crise's ? Just wondering.
Retired Navy Medical Service Corps Officer

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 17:49:49
Here in Eastham there are folks from NYC who are being respectful of their neighbors (us) and are sticking close to their second home. Not a problem. They might be here off and on anyway throughout the year. RI Governor has the courage to do what she thinks is appropriate to protect the RI population. She is asking that if you come from an infested/affected area, be prepared to self quarantine after you get here for 14 days. She is not restricting anyone from traveling I-95.
My heart goes out to my Navy "shipmates" aboard the USS F.D Roosevelt, who are docked in Guam to enable the entire ship to be tested.

Tough call -

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 17:34:00
Jim P
I think and I have to be care to what I say, there is some reason for concern and I say this on some of the following observations:

It's known the Apex in New York is still nearly 2 weeks out. Hopefully it will be less than what is anticipated at this time.

It's Known now that the Rhode Island State Police are stopping cars with NY lic plates on Rt 95 at the border of Ct/RI, so obviously the RI officials have major concern and 95 is the gateway into the cape.

One can look what happens in the New York Hamptons, it's not a given, but if this area surges, then there is another sign for the cape should be concerned with.

Finally, if everyone from NY is in self quarantine and staying in Chatham, I would ask, how could they be? Do they shop at Stop & Shop. Some may get Home Del.,but I guess many are doing their own shopping

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 16:54:53
what's the "over/under" for the first death related to the city swells who defied stay-put orders and fled to their 2d/3d houses down the Cape only to infect ya'll? even odds? do you see the jump in infections?

Nothing to worry about?

JimP
USA - Sat 03/28/2020 - 15:22:51
Bill, according to a recent NY Times article, under the provisions of the coronavirus stimulus package, self employed people may be able to claim unemployment benefits -- that is, if Congress ever gets around to passing the bill for Trump to sign. A few highlights:

Unemployment Benefits

Who would be covered by the expanded program?

The new bill would wrap in far more workers than are usually eligible for unemployment benefits, including self-employed people and part-time workers. The bottom-line: Those who are unemployed, are partly unemployed or cannot work for a wide variety of coronavirus-related reasons would be more likely to receive benefits.

Are gig workers, freelancers and independent contractors covered in the bill?

Yes, self-employed people would be newly eligible for unemployment benefits.
Benefit amounts would be calculated based on previous income, using a formula from the Disaster Unemployment Assistance program, according to a congressional aide. Self-employed workers would also be eligible for the additional $600 weekly benefit provided by the federal government.

Read the entire article at:
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package-questions-answers.html?referringSource=articleShare

Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 03/27/2020 - 13:24:58
How is the shell fishing? Are their still buyers. I mean for local shell fisherman.

They don't get unemployment.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 13:21:21
Karen, You are correct with your number. No idea how I made that mistake!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 12:59:16
Bookings are up 683% on March over last year in Chatham per the Wall Street Journal. No doubt this doesn't include the second homeowner houses that have been noticed around town, with up to five cars in each driveway.
KarenR <tiggryder@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 11:32:38
I thought no rentals were allowed in town
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 09:53:21
Alan, You must be referring to the Wall St Journal article of 3/22 where it talks of people escaping NYC. Rentals in Chatham are up 363% over the same time last year!! On top of that are a lot of the people who own second homes here and have already moved back instead of getting ready to rent them out. A couple of days ago a car from Conn was loaded as full as it could be including stuff tied on the roof come in 2 doors down. Car is still there have not seen them out of the house since. Plans are being put in place to house sick people off site from CCH and those beds are being set up. For the most part, we and our extended family are hunkered down and staying home.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/26/2020 - 09:04:20
I find it a bit weird where the focus is in this room over the past 48 hrs. If there are a pile of people coming to the area where indeed more than a few NY Lic Plates are seen, could the lull before the storm be happening? You make the call
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 23:34:19
Want to see what downtown Chatham looked like in March in the early 50's? Drive down Main Street today. Most people were at "The Lights", watching the horizon, waiting for their Ship to come in perhaps.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 16:36:55
Alice - the Letters were with the agenda packet for the meeting. Go to town website, pull up the meeting and at the bottom is the agenda . When they met on Monday many of the letters against were missing. Not sure if they have since been included. Doesn't matter as it was approved anyway.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 11:56:48
Judy, can you tell us how to find the letters against Hanger B license? Would like to take a look at them. Thanks
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 11:43:41
Why not let the working group finish work on the Stepping Stones property. That way it is done. At that point, we will have working plans in place for both parcels. Just because both plans will be done does not mean action can't be postponed. If they are, we can take it up at a later date. Fin Com is right to take a harder look at where our money is going. It's about time. There is a strong sense that no more capital projects should be started in these times for a number of reasons. Some one said at the last BOS mtg, "The COA has a roof over their heads right now" A good point. However, why not have a finished plan for Stepping Stones since its almost done according to BOS mtg.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 09:48:12
At the BOS meeting two nights ago, the $4.3MM transfer station project was soundly defeated by the BOS vote. Coronavirus, financial uncertainty, economic uncertainties, etc were the reasons. I am not diminishing the need to provide the Transfer Station workers with a safe work environment. This is an imperative.

My confusion lies in the fact that none of these reasons were applied to the larger $8.3MM 1610 COA project. After 3 years of urging by the Finance Committee, the BOS is finally acknowledging the need for spending priorities. What are the priorities? Should the Town have a hiring freeze? Do we need a $1.3MM road salt storage facility?

Just saying .....

Dan Young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 09:15:16
Once again our town leaders never fail to disappoint. To even consider moving forward with a COA in these times defies common sense. With folks losing their jobs, town projects still not completed, the roadway in West Chatham deteriorating further - there is no reason this project should not be put on hold indefinitely. It's really frightening watching these folks at their closed BOS meetings. There were many folks opposed to the beer and wine license at Hangar B and interestingly enough the majority of the letters against it were not even included in the agenda packet. The BOS chose to ignore the concerns from abutters and granted the license. Nothing was going to change their minds. Last I knew they worked for us. They are all on a power trip and it's time for it to stop.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/25/2020 - 08:22:59
FYI: Via Facebook, saw that Town of Chatham announced that both Town Meeting and election are being postponed till some date to be determined but prior to June 30.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 21:09:57
Mr. "He here" Just an idea:
If it is indeed true that there has been an influx of folks from the NYC area and Boston, then Chatham/Harwich authorities need to establish a base line for the virus. In my mind, one of the best ways to do this is to establish a station at the Stop and Shop and Shaw's promptly for temp.taking. You have a temp, you do not enter-get someone else to do your shopping, a coordinated volunteer or otherwise.

At the same time, "this station" should record the folks with temps and have them ordered along for the test with a designated Dr or place.

The cruise lines implemented this procedure within hours. For those who might think this has any kind of unreasonableness to it, take a look at what Harwich did this past summer when there was the tanker truck spill. Shaw's was shut almost immediately for 2.5 days, some residents could not believe "their store" was closed-Harwich Police moved fast with this closure.

There are a few folks on this site who are very capable of advancing the above with the appropriate folks, just in case the Towns have not thought of it already.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 20:47:52
Dick, would that be Keeper George Gustavus?Was down at Prudence Island in RI during the hurricane? The Keeper at Palmer Island, New Bedford also lost his wife in the 38 Hurricane.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 20:08:17
Nauset Light had three beacons, (the Three Sisters) hence there were multiple chimneys in dwellings for the keepers and assistant Keepers families to reside. At one time after the Civil War, veteran Long John Ryder from Harwich was an Assistant Keeper at Nauset.
Chatham Lighthouse had Two Keepers, so the building had two chimneys, one for each family.
My Aunt Mabel's father was the last Civilian Keeper at Chatham Light, having been transferred from a Light in RI that he survived the 1938 Hurricane.
He lost his wife and a son due to the storm waves. The Lighthouse Service was assimilated into the Coast Guard in 1939.
Mabel was the mother of Cousins Terry Ryder and Jeannie Ryder.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 19:52:08
While watching Dr.Phil today, I got to thinking about how young parents are coping with having to actually interact, amuse, teach, entertain and explain what is happening to the world. How wonderful to have a chance to do what we all did growing up without technology.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 19:39:45
With all of this talk of isolation, it reminds me that a real good place for that would be remote light stations. A number of them in the northeast; Boston, Minot's Ledge, Boon Island etc. Offshore lighthouses off the English coast required turnover of keepers every four weeks. French lighthouses swapped staff every two weeks if the weather was cooperative enough. Isolated Canadian lights are still staffed for thirty two days at a time. Most of these stations you won't see another living person around. Great place to quarantine for any variety of reasons and to be paid for it!
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 19:20:57
Tried to post to this venue yesterday, no joy. Anyone else?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/24/2020 - 11:51:17
Liquor store in Orleans told me they had maybe a 30% increase iin sales, mainly due to millennials coming from Boston colleges and staying in their parents second homes. If this stays the virus from spreading, I am OK with that. But what about those who can't leave their high rise apartments in Honolulu, Boston, Miami, the Bronx, Queens, Manhattan, etc?
And, they can't work to get a paycheck???????
Which Town of Chatham employees will get paid if they can't come to work?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 17:34:34
Dick L
The virus is no joking matter, so I say this out of seriousness, are these folks coming up from NYC self quarantining or are they self "Canteening" With NYC on of the hottest hot spots, folks might think they are safer in Chatham on the short term, that is until the virus sets in on them, then NYC gang will create a mess in you know where.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 16:39:31
Opinion piece in Western Mass newspaper notes people are leaving NYC for their 2nd homes in Lenox early - same as owners "escaping" to Cape Cod and islands. Interesting tradeoffs. Where would you like to be? Where would you be safest? Read that Nantucket is discouraging people from returning to the island early.
Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 15:48:17
John, Wondering how things are in your part of FLA. We know some snow birds who are not sure if they should stay in Fla a bit longer or come home when they usually do. Should be quite the BOS meeting tomorrow!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/22/2020 - 13:29:57
From Town of Chatham via Chronicle email:
" Town officials were notified today of the first positive case of COVID-19 in Chatham. In compliance with Health Information Privacy laws, identifying information on this individual will not be released. Close contacts of the individual are being contacted and directed to self-isolate."

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/21/2020 - 20:23:19
Well said Richard! I think that is something that those of us that served in the military have a respect for the people that serve us and we served with that some others do not. I too have a good relationship with the folks at our Transfer Station. Also I used to be able to my pants on both legs at once but not anymore.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 19:44:55
Nicely put. Here in Eastham I pretty much know the first names of all who work at the Transfer Station. I treat them as valued men and women who serve us. Just like I treated the US Navy men and women who I either served with or who worked with / for me.
We all put our pants on one leg at a time.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 17:50:31
Just to let you Chatham people know; the Scout trailer at the transfer station (a.k.a. The Dump) has been temporarily closed for obvious health reasons. You are to put the cans and plastics in the appropriate places at the Dump. No charities will be getting that money , so it is basically a nickel lost ( well, maybe not lost, the State has that nickel for now.) )Alternative, of course, is to rinse out the cans and bottles, then save them til normal (whenever and whatever that will be) - then bring to the Dump (or take them to a redemption center yourself.)
I really don't think anyone realizes how hard, and in conditions you wouldn't care to work, the dump team works. Often the general public is not very kind and considerate. Yet I have always them seen treat everyone with respect. They have taught our kids a great deal through their great work ethic and dealing well with the public.
During this time, they, along with the police, fire, cashiers, banks, mailmen, and many more, are essential personnel in our lives right now. All are working with additional, what could be called Summer, stresses without the summer personnel. So be kind to all of them too.

susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 15:46:04
Jobs are the economic engine that drive Chatham and Cape Cod. Many have lost jobs here in Chatham. These are unusual times. In order to help those a one time payment of $500 should be made to all Town of Chatham registered voters. The source of these funds could be Free Cash (it's ours) and reduce (not increase) the 2020-2021 Town Budget 5 % from the 2019-2020 budget.
Dan Young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 14:16:58
Read in our local paper today that PATE (Cloyde Pate) passed away at the age of 94 years old. Our older Chatroom members will remember when he operated Pate's Restaurant in Chatham.
Anna Olson Woodland <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 13:03:44
Just went to Stop & Shop. Young folks everywhere not heeding their responsibility to let elders shop. Horrible produce, no pasta , no pet food except store brands but plenty of toilet paper and paper towels - all S & S brands. Went to Shaw's - much, much better. Only thing they're missing is toilet paper and paper towels. Long lines at both places. Stay safe, shop smart and bring your patience with you.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 03/20/2020 - 08:51:26
Richard, read the post again. Did not say first case on Cape Cod, said first case in Harwich. Sorry to confuse you!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/19/2020 - 19:31:08
No, I thought the first two cases on the Cape were in Sandwich. Maybe you meant the first case in Harwich. As a 1948 polio survivor, and as an above average receptor to viruses, I am watching this very keenly.
As far as I know, Anna Olson, Don St Pierre and myself were the only kids to come down with the polio virus in either Harwich or Chatham.
After all these years, why us? Why not my siblings? Why not the Chowderman?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 03/19/2020 - 19:26:53
CC Times says first presumptive case of Corvid-19 in Harwich. This means State testing is positive but they are waiting for confirmation from the Feds.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/19/2020 - 18:19:28
Alan: Non-usage of personal names is the normal practice in Chatham public meetings, and was a variation of "previous speaker" that is used. True, this isn't Town Meeting but it's just being proper.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 11:20:55
John
I have no problem with you taking down the post-I have no intention of getting into it with Elaine, I never said I was any Dr. in fact I indicated as such and suggested that one speak with their Dr. before taking any options from the observations I posted, things I did. My sole attempt in that post was just that, to present some observations, this does not need CDC approval. Maybe it could have been written better or in another way. By the way, my name is Alan-I am not any he.

When I stumble across someone who has had for an example a heart attack or a stroke and they are willing to speak about their experience, I always ask what symptoms they had and how they were initially treated.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:47:39
Thanks John.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:44:05
Elaine: I will do so but because of how primitive this site is behind the scenes, I normally avoid deleting during times when others may post as it makes site vulnerable to loosing data during the manual edit process.
Alan: True, but as Elaine said, you went into medical advice and that's problematic.

And when I delete the post, these follow up posts will also go away as they become orphaned.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:25:44
John, I request you delete the comments you referenced. I have not once heard the CDC or the administration recommend Theraflu as treatment for Covid-19 or BIPAP machines that blow facemasks off as an alternative to ventilators. It's irresponsible speculation and advice. This is way too serious for armchair experts with no medical credentials. If he has been exposed and has symptoms, as he states,the CDC instructions are that he self quarantine, contact his health care provider and get tested. We are all well aware we are high risk in Chatham and are capable of following instructions from the experts.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 10:06:31
Yours all note John and understand, but you have many people who not only post on your site but in the whole of Chatham who are at very high risk
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 09:35:32
Alan: While maybe somewhat topical to the current situation in USA, your last extended post really strayed a bit too far from anything connected directly with Chatham and/or Cape Cod and I am considering whether to keep it or not, ok? The prior posts re the virus were more tolerable.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 09:27:28
... rather than your mouth, thus enabling longer periods of use time and no dry mouth.

Do I have the C-19? Have not been tested. However since Sunday, I have had a mild temp, cough and definite sore throat with some monor headaches and with some body pains. This might tell someone something and yes I have started to use that Theraflu I purchased (if you on other medications, you may not wish to be like me, suggest you call a doctor before using)if you are even in the remotest thought of doing what I did.

The media has all shone these modeled photo of these Coronaviruses and I remember correctly one sees this rather significant sphere with tooth pick like
tiny balls attached to the sphere. I think what you should be getting from those diagrams is that those tiny balls represent a "bank of different Proteins," and some of these proteins attached themselves to the lung sites, and guess what-these proteins are not that easy to be removed from the lungs with antihistamines etc.-all leading to possible use of a ventilator for some.

Again, hope I haven't bored anyone and for sure, I am no Doctor, just one trying to use common sense

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 09:12:21
Wanted to share some thoughts with the folks on this site which are actually relevant right to the moment. One week ago from yesterday (actually March 9 and 10), I was teaching in a school building, at the same grade level, where it was announced and confirmed, that a student in this grade level had a confirmed case of the Coronavirus (March 12 announcement). So for those NIMBY's and those thinking that imposed restrictions are well beyond necessary, I was educated otherwise late in a career by the late Dr. Louis A Carpino out of UMASS, who was responsible for synthetic peptide and protein chemistry as we know it today (it is at the heart of Immune tech, when looking for antibodies to fight the foreign antigens as many times each are actually proteins and yes the studies grow far more complicated from this initial protein building step outwards)

So well before this confirmation since I like to self medicate, I made 2 easy minor preparations that I have since used.
a) Looked for a comprehensive over the counter product that would fight the flu (didn't need it at the time but I purchased it anyway) and the best one I found was GSK's "THERAFLU" as it is focused on Pain relief/fever reducer, cough suppressant and Nasal Decongestant-all in one product.

b) I looked for better ways to increase the use this BIPAP machine I own (just in the wild case that ventilators would no longer be found). Those who have used a BIPAP machine may have observed that it blows so hard, it literally blows the mask right off your face after a short period of time. CIPAP and BIPAP equipment were designed to assist with Sleep Apnea but I figured I might need a prolonged use of equipment, even though the BIPAP can be a pain to use.

What I found is that if you use a teeth appliance (mouth guard) in combination with this BIPAP equipment, you are almost forced to breath thru your nose rather than your m

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 08:53:37
Dan, Alan and JimP: Just wanted to express my appreciation for how you all handled that! I saw a bit of potential confusion that led to a misunderstanding but it was resolved apparently calmly by those involved so THANKS!
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/18/2020 - 01:03:03
No problem. I understand
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 23:38:19
Dan:
I am sorry again. I was thinking you were doing the opposite. Then you had Bruce jumping in and thanking you, that's kind of why I thought as I did. Again, sorry about the sarcasm remark as well

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 21:00:07
I don't know who you are, but I was paying you a compliment.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 20:52:22
No worries. I do agree with you that the government - such that it is - is doing a decent job at present. Kind of the "go ugly early" approach. We can always ease-up, but if need be it'll be very difficult to hammer down during a massive outbreak.

For a right-wing nutter, I'm about as anti-government as one can get. but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Fauci is doing a damned good job.

JimP
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 20:07:15
Jim P
You are right, I did confuse you and Bill, sorry about that. What what I have said, alreay, I stand behind 100%

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:59:11
Alan, I only posted once. it was not in contravention of what you said. I think you mixed me up with Bill P.

Bill- you are now claiming 50 million and homeless and broken economy? Weren't you just claiming it was "chicken little" and the good Dr should be quiet...??

Ya'll need to work your reading comprehension. I didn't disagree with anything with the exception of the chicken little comment which Bill seems to be running from now.

JimP
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:54:51
Jim P
"I'm working it from the Agency Subordinate Component Command (ASCC" and Northcom, where do you think they ultimately draw the immune system information to make the decisions you talk about in your last post-the NIH. And who ultimately runs these task forces, the President. President Trump, you can be 100% sure, he got the best of the best in Dr. Fauci who has overwhelming driven the NIH for years.

This is no different, than the US Coast Drawing their decision making information from NOAA when CG has to make scientific decisions beyond their scope.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:38:17
Jim P
I can not understate what your last 2 posts are really saying, especially as it relates to Dr. Fauci. His work, his record and the science he has brought forth to Universities, Industry, and yes, even the military_especially to this Nation is UNDISPUTED. While I do not know him personally, I am proud to dispel any one who would see him in an unfavorable light as I and many around the world respect the advances he has brought forth to the human immune system.

To suggest he is running around the US as some talk show host and providing a Chicken Little directive is ridiculous.

Perhaps in the next 10 days, you might change your mind, your last post seems to have had a change of heart alreay.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:23:11
Jim, have you planned for the 50 million people who will be homeless, won't be able to pay bills or buy food. Not everyone gets a government paycheck. The damage to the economy will take 10 years to recover from.

It's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 19:14:13
it's not about playing chicken little, it is all about "flattening the infectious curve" (the rate at which the infection is spreading). True - most getting it will experience little effects. however, the rate at which people get it will overwhelm the resources of the isolation hospitals should we all "get it" at once. Say, for example, 10-15% of the elderly/young/immuno-compromised (IC) require isolation with attendant acute care. 10-15% of a thousand people is one thing....; 10 to 15% of 20 million people is a whole different metric, and one which would be hard to manage.

If we can slow down the rate of infection, we can keep the numbers of folks requiring urgent care down to manageable requirements. I'm working it from the Agency Subordinate Component Command (ASCC) from the Combatant Command responsible for Homeland Defense (NORTHCOM). The planning for this thing is no joke - the military and DoD is working the "each's" so far as beds available; tentage; triage; isolation capability; etc. Don't be so quick to slough it off.

Despite my conclusion that the media is blowing this way out of proportion to portray "Orange-man bad."

JimP
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 18:45:57
RE Dr. Anthony Fauci

Allen I disagree. Dr. Anthony Fauci is citing worst case scenarios acting like Chicken Little. Maybe he should stop the talk show circuit and get to work.

Were destroying our country over a virus that most people won't even know if they had it and feel a little sick.

Sure if your in the target group take precautions, but shutting down the country is crazy.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 12:32:33
Alan, Thank you. We have NEVER tried to belittle anyone who did not grow up here as far as we can remember. That includes you. We can agree or disagree with anyone no matter where they come from! LOL
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 10:05:51
Good Morning Alice
Thank you for your kind response and I understand! I have been sensitive to what you have indicated. However, just because one has not grown up in Chatham or the immediate surrounding area, there is no need for the pretense and deceit which Bruce has entered the room with as well, his comment too, was really directed towards myself, its what we call "piling on." People of little backbone usually pull this kind of nonsense.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/17/2020 - 09:54:27
Alan, we don't know you but we grew up with Dan and his extended family. We were raised with stories of our family members dying of the 1917 Flu Pandemic and how it was to see family members die and stand by helpless and able to do nothing. We ourselves grew up in an era of seeing the terror in our parents eyes wondering if Polio was going to infect us children. And now we are in that most at risk group of dying from this new disease.
Yes, we are more fortunate that a cure or vaccine will be found. We just hope it will be in time.

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 21:17:06
Hey Dan:
I get it! Say what you wish, but I know your comment was ultimately directed towards myself, shall we day clothed and disguised in Sarcasm.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 20:35:50
I hope folks are watching the Channel 18 with the COA $8.3 Million dollar presentation at 1610 Main Street. Check out the opulence in the chandeliers etc. You can also see this on the Town website, Projects page buried in there around page 40 I think. Remember Middle Road started at $6M and slowly raised up to $8M . Just a ridiculous amount of money to ask taxpayers to fund for a sub par location .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 19:21:57
Thank you, Dan.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 14:10:35
Thank you, Allen
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 09:45:05
The USA is so lucky to have a guy like Dr. Anthony Fauci around. Some press figures have already tried to discredit him. If you are into the google routine, his background and his work and with other scientists at the NIH with infectious disease immunologics and allergic disease is probably beyond the scope of any single individual and yet he comes across as a true modest gentleman You won't find many like him!
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 03/16/2020 - 00:38:20
Think one has to be very careful when comparing C-19 to the Spanish Flu and I grant you this comparison is one of the first findings on Google and it can be a bit scary. This article has a focus on statistics rather than genetics and chemistry. At the heart of this presentation is CASE FATALITY RATE (CFR) and it settles in on this figure of 2.5% of the world Pop. It is very simple in how we arrive at the CFR, one merely takes the # of deaths divided by the total # of cases. The article suggests that Spanish flu had 50 million deaths 500 million infected and the CFR was 2.5%. However to arrive at 2.5%, you would require 2 billion infections and this is more than the total number of people at the time.

We obviously do not know the number of infections at this time with C19 and we will not know this for some time. To draw any conclusions between the 2 virus strains based on articles like the one suggested is totally incorrect. We all know that Google can position articles on the page anyway they wish and while the Spanish Flu was a deadly virus, to use articles like this, you provide a poor foundation to build anyone knowledge on. Further, Institutions like the NIH (there were/are amazing immune system advances being made on that 6th floor), Harvard, MIT and companies like Roche (I still see then as Genetech in the USA) and Regeneron have provided us with Immune System knowledge that could very well lead us out of this mess.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/15/2020 - 23:54:03
Since we will all have plenty of time to read and study, I encourage everyone to look up the Spanish Flu on Wikipedia. The piece is 13 pages long and somewhat tedious to read, but definitely worth it since we may be facing a similar situation. I do think we have learned a
lot from the experience. Knowledge is power, so read the piece.

JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/15/2020 - 21:01:20
Town Administrator here in Eastham sent a phone message to all who are signed up: all Town buildings will be closed for 2 weeks. Transfer Station is open, but not the Swap Shop. Police and fire are operating as usual.
I think restaurants will be closed as well, except for takeout, by Executive Order of the Governor, which I find an appropriate use of power in such a situation.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/15/2020 - 19:48:11
Monomoy closed the schools til the end of April. This is now going to affect the tourism as well.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 19:50:50
How about zero fresh chicken or butcher level beef at Stop and Shop in Orleans? Certainly, there are enough other foods to be bought there for quite a long time. Who would think there would be a run on frozen veggies?
Regarding TP, Dad said they used the Sears catalog pages back then. Just sayin'.

As an afterthought, I was expecting some sort of screening at Logan when we returned
from HI but that was not the case.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 18:04:58
According to CC Times, first confirmed case of Corona virus here on the Cape.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 17:40:58
Alice. Went in for shrimp and a lemon, there were zero paper products in the paper isle, they even took all the paper plates, napkins, and plastic ware..!!??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 08:44:03
We went to S&S to get our usual St Paddys Day corned beef cabbage and so on. We were the ONLY ones checking the corned beef for the best cuts. We did find tissues on one asile end. Took 2 boxes and left rest for others. Tuna almost gone but they were restocking as fast as they could. Taters, carrots, onions buy one get one free. [why we were there] Judy is right, a madhouse but people were not shopping with an angry edge like in the summer months. Bill P may have a good point, limit some items so we all get some.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/14/2020 - 07:33:33
Channel 18 is working again.

As to stores running empty, the stores need to limit those purchases. Some shyster's take it all and re-sell them online.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 20:07:19
No toilet paper, no paper towels - mass hysteria among the elderly . I shopped yesterday for a friend and it was fine . I went today after work and experienced empty shelves etc. just like 4th of July - only folks are nicer and polite - unlike our summer visitors.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 18:15:18
What's up with panic buying at Stop and Shop in Orleans? My wife just came back from a trip there, and found some shelves and meat displays empty.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 17:44:59
Just returned from a long awaited trip to Hawaii. Things I noted: mostly Japanese tourists were wearing masks. Others, not so much. I have never seen as many men washing their hands in the Men's rooms! Good news for sure.
At logan this morning at 0600, there were three flights cancelled on the Arrivals Board: one from Seoul, one from Rome and one from Beijing.
The Hawaiian health officials are very aware of how seriously the pandemic could affect their economy.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 16:44:15
The channel wasn't working last night either. This week's story in Chronicle about COA was interesting. Apparently no one bothered to tell Ms. Segal and the Chronicle that there are no doctors anymore at Oppenheim Medical Center - so they can't use the "close proximity to a medical facility" argument for having the COA at 1610. That argument, along with a host of others is what makes it a horrible choice.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/13/2020 - 09:08:34
Bill P. Just using regular Comcast cable. 18 and 22 still out.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 19:11:56
From Chatham Fire Dept via Facebook:
"The Town of Chatham, in consideration of the State of Emergency declared for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts by Governor Charlie Baker and in an effort to maintain the functions of Town government while mitigating risks to the public, is cancelling all non-regulatory committee meetings until further notice. Regulatory committees will continue to hold meetings on essential and time sensitive matters.
The public is encouraged to view these meetings remotely on Channel 18 or through the Town's website to limit public exposure and the possible spread COVID-19 in the community. It is requested that attendance at regulatory meetings be limited to only those individuals whose presence is required.
The public is asked to limit their visits to Town offices and are encouraged to utilize online portals and US mail to submit payments or renewals. It is requested that visits to the Town Office Annex be made between 8 a.m. and 3 p.m. Monday through Thursday, and 8 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. on Fridays, and all other Town offices between the hours of 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. to allow for additional cleaning measures by staff.
Town programs held at the Community Center will continue at this time, however, beginning Sunday, March 15, 2020 all non-Town events and room rentals will be cancelled."

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 14:30:35
Good info John - thank you.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 13:34:01
FYI: Chronicle just posted this on FB: "An update on plans for a senior center in West Chatham scheduled for Saturday, March 14, has been cancelled. Officials are hoping to reschedule it to Monday's board of selectmen meeting."
And as not all users here are on Facebook, figured this would be good to share.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 13:13:09
Chanel 18 does not work using my Tivo. I just checked using a Roku via the Comcast app and channel 18 works.

What type of cable box are you using?

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 11:26:54
Ch 18 and 22 have been out since yesterday. Anybody know what is going on with them?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/12/2020 - 11:05:55
Please join us on Wednesday nights 7pm at the Community Center
C-SHIP Save Historical Important Properties Are you concerned about the tearing down of our antique homes and history?
Please get on board with us at this meeting. Every concerned Chatham Citizens is welcome???

janet whittemore <janet.whittemore@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/11/2020 - 16:00:01
Hence the concern should be with the here and now. To be thinking about the summer months at this point is a bit early. This is not a revolutionary thought, but in winter we are more confinded and we get less Vit D. Humidity levels could be a major concern as well.

It might be a better to have a concern about late fall and into 2021 because if indeed the virus disappears for the summer, it will almost certainly come back.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 17:35:46
I think one will find there are many strands of Coronaviruses,it is indeed Covid 19 that is of concern now (operative word now). Yes, most studying the immune system will suggest that we are in uncharted territory with 19. What is interesting is that prior analysis of SARS shows the fact that 19 has genetic similarities (about 80%) to SARS.

Hence the big question is the temperature transmission relationship between the two virus strands. With the SARS stand that hit the USA (operative words "that hit the USA) a few years back, showed that effect on cells under warmer moderately humid conditions indeed slowed the SARS Virus. Science is concluding that the colder drier air does allow a virus to spread.,,

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 17:26:02
Something to think about. Given the rapid spread of the Corona Virus, will people even come to the town mtg in May? Town of Plymouth closed all schools last Friday so they would have 3 days to clean the schools. Also, we are not just at risk from what comes over the bridges. People fly in from Boston and NYC to P Town for weekends all year round so it could come up Cape from there. Chatham airport too. Thinking about going to concerts this summer at Payomet or Melody tent? We enjoy going to events in the summer but find ourselves rethinking things. Would like to hear others thoughts.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 12:05:40
Something to think about. Given the rapid spread of the Corona Virus, will people even come to the town mtg in May? Town of Plymouth closed all schools last Friday so they would have 3 days to clean the schools. Also, we are not just at risk from what comes over the bridges. People fly in from Boston and NYC to P Town for weekends all year round so it could come up Cape from there. Chatham airport too. Thinking about going to concerts this summer at Payomet or Melody tent? We enjoy going to events in the summer but find ourselves rethinking things. Would like to hear others thoughts.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 12:04:36
Dick - I think it's a mixture of poor governance and obstinance as Jared mentioned earlier. When someone figures out why certain folks just won't take their heads out of the sand about this inferior property let us know. There obviously is something everyone is pursuing with 1610 that many of us are in the dark about. There is no quaint walking village in West Chatham with charming restaurants. Yes, we have Larry's and Mom & Pops. They are staples. I think a replica of Sibley's house should be rebuilt there if the Roadway is ever done. Any comments from folks here regarding the two speakers at town meeting who brought up the legal repercussions when town officials don't listen to the people? I took that as a reference to the roundabouts in addition to the feasibility study.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/10/2020 - 06:01:52
BOS wrapped itself around the axle. They just couldn't get past their vision of the substance and deal with the process instead. They should pursue 1610 as if Stepping Stones didn't exist and get the results of the SS study whenever its available. Only 1610 will go to ATM where it be voted up or down. Success of 1610 may depend on the results of the SS study. Obviously, neither site will succeed if both are brought to ATM.

Don't understand why some wanted school committee to reconsider without having the result of the study of safety - weren't they listening!

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 21:09:03
Fred,the Squire is just not the same anymore.So many people refuse to go there because of how they let the help go.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:37:13
Judy,I thought the people elected the B.O.S to represent the voters and not to ignore them and to do what the board wants.They should be more discrete when being in front of a meeting with their own personal feelings instead of what the voters think is best for the town
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:34:35
I can't believe speakers were still trying to convince them to vote against the study. They should know better. The democratic process works and I think Cory had to remind them that. The sighs and groans from our elected officials were a bit much. The majority of them couldn't be gone soon enough - as evidenced by prior comments here. Time for them to suck it up and do their jobs they were elected to do. If they can't do it without complaining perhaps they should resign .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:25:51
Judy, I watched the selectmen's meeting tonight and your right .Sour grapes it is! I am glad Cory had the sense to vote for the study even though it was against what he wanted to do.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:20:23
I watched Sat.meeting for Stepping Stones.A lot of good comments,Seth Taylor was excellent!Someone said 489 students and 11 year olds use Stepping Stones,I don't believe that many kids use that road most are on the buses.People were saying too much traffic already use S.S.How many of the people going to the C.O.A.now are already using S.S to get to get to the C.O.A?They say there are 2 hills on S.S.to contend with but if people going to the C.O.A. now by S.S they have to go up and down 4 hills so that should eliminate 2 of them.I still don't know why the School Committee could say no to this piece of land without a study being done first.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 19:17:46
Seriously sour grapes tonite with the BOS. Dykens on another rant. Somethings up with his attitude -it's darn right nasty. Thankfully Mr Metters is the only voice of reason.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 18:25:49
John. Consultants and traffic engineers tell you what you want to hear.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 09:14:33
Does anyone know who bought Pates or why did the Squire really just close for 4 days with minimal notice?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/09/2020 - 07:52:25
The town uses consultants because they have the specific experience, expertise and time to complete those projects. Town employees are used to manage the projects and interface with consultants. Very common in industry to reduce costs. People like Terry Whalen are already working full time and more just in management and lack the skills needed to do certain tasks, as he's not an architect, nor a traffic engineer, or other jobs that have been given to consultants.

Because water/sewer operations require specific skills, they are often contracted out for efficiency and cost reductions and by doing so, the contractor has more flexibility in employment benefits

BTW, in one case, by using an OPM, the OPM was able to do certain tasks that the town employee wasn't legally allowed to which benefited the town as a private company would also have been permitted to do those tasks.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 23:45:45
FYI Dana-Faber as of this weekend and even more so began scaling big time for what they believe could be a major breakout of the virus.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 21:37:30
Suggest the folks on this site pay very close attention to the Corvid 19 virus. Just received word that the Dana Farber Institute is well beyond the washing the hands with hot water and soap "thing." Personally, I was of the mind to to be careful and its not happening here. Did not post this to scare anyone, but more to say click it up a notch, the folks at "Farber" usually know a bit more than most. Certainly would be a good idea to hit the Stop and Shop for a few extra cans of soup etc.,
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 21:34:20
Thank you Jill and Adam.
jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 19:56:04
Jan, when the 2010 census was done, a few towns in MA opted to have a needs assessment study done by their COA's because of the number of seniors currently living in those towns. I think that over 40% of those people in Chatham responded and what these respondents felt they needed to age comfortably in place determined what a new senior center should provide to meet those needs.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 18:33:22
Jan: That study you might be referring to is usually called a Needs Assessment. You do not require consultants to undertake this kind of study, perhaps it was done already. I understand the study to be conducted now is about how, where, when, and site design and construction that is to occur with benefits, risks and negatives.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 17:48:01
What I fail to understand is why the overly compensated employees such as the principle planners and engineers can't do this work. There are way too many undertakings town wide using consultants. Anyone want to hazard a guess on the amount of our money that's paid to the firm that does the water work for the town? I think the name is Wesson/Sampson or something similar. How about the painters that were brought in to paint the current COA? I think it's time to send another message at town meeting in May . The Finance Committee has already told them and now it's time for the voters to tell them. There are many individuals that have spoken here as well as those at town meeting yesterday that sent a clear message to the Board of Selectmen to stop this nonsense and do their job. Get on board with the message you were given yesterday.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 15:07:00
The Town website has a link on the Projects page for all the studies which have been done. That's what the consultants have been paid to do, along with Town staff.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 14:05:32
Thanks Jared.So over 10 years ago someone from the staff or the board said they needed a new building.That does not seem like a reason for a new building because someone said so.A study should be done to see how to make things fit.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 13:58:24
The vote is a positive step, and the BOS should pursue it with an open mind.

The COA should reconsider the advantages of a single story senior center, the ability to add (if senior programing warrants expansion), better parking and better access.

The BOS can and should request that the school committee reconsider, which should happen once the study is completed. Future school use of the 1.6 acre sliver, isolated by the bike path is bologna! (A consideration stated by one of Chatham's reps.) Congestion and traffic is different in the summer. The school committee should welcome additional overflow parking and the proximity of a municipal building for use in any number of potential emergencies.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 12:23:26
Janice, I believe the COA staff or board decided they wanted a new building about a decade ago.

The School Committee should make an informed vote at a later date. The school has not used that land since the time the school was built in 1963.

I am happy how the vote went yesterday. The way I see it, if the study is returned saying that Stepping Stones is the better site for any variety of reasons then the BOS should stop being obstinate and throw their support behind it. At that point, the study should be given to the School Committee as hard evidence why they should declare the land surplus. Remember, this was brought to a Special Town Meeting by a citizen's initiative with over 500 signatures, and has the support of the Finance Committee. That sends a pretty strong message.

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 10:34:30
Someone has to have the answer to this question.Who and how was it determined that there is a need for a new C.O.A. building.Was it from the people who work there or was there a study that determined it?
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/08/2020 - 06:37:50
Judy: Kevin has in meantime responded to my email and was fully understanding of the situation and I was less bothered by it than the other one because his linked to a real person via email at least. The other one is totally different and just because an email was used that matches the moniker, doesn't make it valid. Those rules have been that way since I took over and the only people bothered by it seems to be the offenders.

And yes, I sometimes disagree with others viewpoints as do you. So why shouldn't I be able to give my opinion if you can give yours? It doesn't stop you from presenting opposition. Remember that there's often more than one view on topics and just like at public meetings, people are able normally to express theirs. I have NEVER blocked any opposing views here but you seem like you want to. And I have NEVER gotten upset when others didn't agree with me, but sometimes think I just have not properly explained or presented my views so try alternative text.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 21:17:01
John - I encouraged Kevin to post here. I told him to use his email. I do not know Quitnesset; however, he used his email. It was not an "anonymous" post. Many of us feel you get upset when we don't agree with your viewpoints, and then you argue with us - trying to convince us your point of view is correct. It should not be like this. Maybe it's time to start something new. Maybe you could send out a survey and ask folks how they feel. Right now - this isn't working with the way you are scrutinizing everyone and arguing with posts.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:58:44
Judy: When have I put any restrictions on what people can say here? Please provide examples as other than profanity and personal attacks and similar issues, I just want people to use non-moniker signatures, ok? I don't even care if it's their real name (which really bothers some people) but just want a name or initials that are unique and appear like a real person.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:49:19
If anyone is interested in joining another group where we are able to speak more freely please contact me via email
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:31:18
The people who got up to speak today in favor, did a tremendous job.They really put a good deal of thought in what they wrote.Job well done!
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:30:41
JudyP, I also have heard people say that the BOS should be replaced by people who care about this town and it's voters.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:28:08
FYI: The post made by Quitnesset will be deleted due to use of a moniker (prohibited ) signature as will any posts referring to it. I have sent emails to both this user and 'K' requesting valid signatures that I can edit in later as alternative to deletion.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 20:17:24
Quitnesset- Wow!! You're the third person that has said that today!!! Couldn't agree with you more. They seem to forget who they work for.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:53:25
Emily: A live feed is only available from the large meeting room in the Annex. Always been that way and requires equipment only found there.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:53:04
Hurrah for common sense! Why did they choose not to send out a live feed? I am a voter and with today's technology, I felt cheated out of knowing and hearing what was happening!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:37:19
any update on the dredge vote
Kevin S. <kgsarney@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:34:16
The vote today was a vote of no confidence the BOS. It's time for some, and perhaps all of them, to leave.
Quitnesset <Quitnesset@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 19:12:47
Setting back 3-4 years... the 1610 site is tied up until the W Chatham project is just about wrapped up which is setback 3-4 years.
J Eldredge <spledeus@c4.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 18:59:15
A few people who got up and spoke really suprised me.. 70k is peanuts on a build this big.. one of the last persons to speak "you're setting this back 3-4 years".
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 17:34:20
The funding for the feasibility study, of the school property on Stepping Stones Road, for the new COA building, PASSED at the town meeting today.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 17:22:28
Well said Elaine.

John if you think you know more about traffic because you go to Clearwater in the winter, try living in San Diego year round. The West Chatham corridor is no place for a Senior Center. It was originally two lanes and was expanded to three lanes because of the traffic and now it's going back to two. The roundabouts won't slow down traffic going east and west.

Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 10:17:04
Who in their right mind would think it' a good idea to put an $8 million Municipal building for the elderly on a compromised piece of land in a busy major commercial district, next to an airport and Runway Protection Zone on a busy state road- under construction for the next 3 years- and sell it to the public as an "anchor" for business when it's only open weekdays 8-4? No one. The COA is the destination- not West Chatham. Which begs the question: Why this push by Selectmen when there's a potential alternative?
It doesn't matter if the School Committee took a vote. They can vote again. It's incredibly incredibly short sighted not wanting to find out the significant potential benefits to the School. I'm stunned they would take a vote without all the facts.

Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 09:55:44
Judy, I am REAL! If you want to play the fat lady then go ahead! You did not address "No" Meaning "NO" GET REAL!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 09:03:17
Alice - It is indeed a shame that your negative attitude projects a loss for something so important to so many folks who have been working on this.

"IT AIN'T OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS"

Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 08:50:42
A final thought before the STM today [if they still have it] I thought we live in a world where "NO" means "NO" That is what the School Comm said when they voted to NOT declare the land surplus. How can any reasonable person think they can change a unanimous School Comm vote when every single member voted "NO"? We think the whole reason for this is to kill 1610 Main. Claiming that a comment or two made before the vote was taken as the reason to continue with this is wishful thinking at best. The article may pass but it will be interesting to see if the BOS follow through. We think if they can find a way around it they may not.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/07/2020 - 08:17:45
Barbara, You'll note that I was only saying that for anyone with experience in larger towns/cities traffic (which I presume almost all in Chatham have), Chatham traffic is relatively minor. Similar older populations in those areas don't have issues with more complex/volume traffic situations so why should Chatham folks have a problem with a entry/exit on a road with what I consider less than normal traffic volumes? Just the one condo complex near/around me probably has more elderly than the entire year round Chatham population yet they don't have any significant issues with traffic around here, it seems.

My apples/kiwi was just in reference to the size, shape, layout, usage and roads involved of WCR roundabouts to downtown rotary as WCR will be a three way vs four way with most volume being straight though vs from/to three ways downtown.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 03/06/2020 - 22:26:11
John, comparing Clearwater traffic and Chatham traffic is like comparing apples/ kiwis.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Fri 03/06/2020 - 11:19:25
One thing that nobody has added. They are not taking out the hill coming out of the P.O.. that will be interesting. I hope it works, we all have alot at stake
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 22:16:32
John, you remind me of a wonderful expression of opinion from my late husband....."It's MY baseball, and I'm gonna pitch"!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 19:55:28
Bill P - as you can see - we all agree with you. It's going to be a nightmare - if it's ever finished .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 17:03:11
Barbara: As I wrote a couple of wks ago, living off-season in Clearwater gives me a better perspective of what traffic really is and what little traffic Chatham has in comparison. While we may not have as many of that age group as percent of population here, we do have a significant nbr of seniors and they deal with multi-lane roads, numerous traffic lights, and vehicle volumes that are often 2 to 5 times what Chatham has. And yes, they have wrecks but not in excess.

Jan and Bill P: The fact that it's a business district doesn't mean the volume on 28 after roundabouts will be any greater than it is now without them. And the key here is: The great majority of traffic comes from 28 and most all of it will pass straight through. The side roads (G Ryder and Barn Hill) contribute only a small amount of volume and even then, it's only certain turns that would cause a slowdown.

The counts on the Cape Cod Commission site are quite old but still are likely valid for determining some ratios of vehicle travel. And the G Ryder traffic was about 1/10 of the Rt 28 volume while Barn Hill was about 1/5 of 28.
Sagamore rotary had much greater volumes of traffic on the non-primary roads and was also more of a four way intersection vs the three way in W Chatham.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 16:55:25
I agree John that it would be easy to turn right out of 1620, go to the roundabout and then head downtown but you are optimistic if you think that is what will happen. I know a lot of senior citizens are excellent drivers but as a person going on 80, let me tell you our reflexes are not what they use to be. When I worked at a local business in town I was amazed at the number of people who came in using walkers because they could barely walk but then got in their cars and drove away. I still contend the location and older drivers are an accident waiting to happen. Just for the record, I have not driven for two years, I know my limitations.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 16:05:18
John H. You say that you have no problem with a back up on the Rte 39 roundabout and you shouldn't however, there will be backups on the Rte 28 ones because they will be in a business district where Rte 39 is not.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 15:06:01
I respectfully disagree with John.

The traffic, in the Summer, will be severely backed up each way. Their is a reason they took out the rotary at the Sagamore bridge.

George Ryder will also now get backed up.

The roundabout on 39 sees little traffic. As a matter of fact their were some detours recently that forced traffic that way and it was backed up.

It is a done deal though, so I hope I'm wrong.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 14:55:50
I sometimes really can't believe what I'm reading here. The idea that those roundabouts will cause significant or any real backups is just ridiculous! As I may have said before, while I don't go there often, I have yet to wait maybe more than 15 seconds if that at the Rt 39/Queen Anne one and in most cases, it's added an extra 2 seconds maybe to my trip.

And trying to compare these roundabouts to the downtown 'rotary' is insane. That's not an apples/oranges but an apples/kiwi maybe.

Barbara: If the traffic is enough to make turning left onto 28 an issue, then turn right and use roundabout to reverse. It's an extra 3/10's of mile or less total, it appears. I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks that's too far to go to be safer if they feel it's needed because I'm used to going over a mile extra here to just be able to get to my favorite restaurant.

Also - If people think that having that entrance/exit there is a problem, then we better shut down ALL the entry/exits for any businesses along Rt 28. It's no worse than any other and less hazardous than many existing ones.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 13:44:09
The Board of Selectmen and the folks that are pro 1610 and the rotaries must be trying to top their top ten stupid moves. There is no other reason. This is absolutely ridiculous. By them being this selfish and unwavering, they probably have cost the COA their new building.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 13:15:48
No traffic studies have been done along this corridor since probably 2015 at the latest, and they were not peak season/peak hours. Any done now-off season and before the roundabouts are built- would be meaningless. We have no idea how much backup will occur between the roundabouts or to the east and west. To spend $8 million before the corridor is complete, and we know what we're dealing with. It is an accident waiting to happen-made worse by the entrance/exit and parking configuration.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 12:19:14
If feasibility studies have been done for 1610 property, was turning left onto Route 28 part of that study? Seems to me it's accidents ready to happen or perhaps they will put a traffic light there between the two roundabouts.
Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Thu 03/05/2020 - 10:14:28
Believe: a single story facility is preferable to a two story for a senior center. Easier to maintain, no elevator, more visibility to staff, better access for all. Will be less expensive in this case for same usable square footage. More level parking lot. COA board should care about these attributes.

Senior center would be nice addition to West Chatham, however.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Wed 03/04/2020 - 12:07:00
I am more than surprised that the COA Board of Directors voted unanimously not to support the petition calling for a feasibility study for the Stepping Stones site for the senior center. They did not have a vote on supporting 1610. This alone should tell you something is not just right. It's too bad they are not interested in learning more about Stepping Stones. They have ignored factual information along with the fact that a feasibility study will not delay their getting a new facility. They seem to want everything their way and not take into consideration what the voters want. There is absolutely no harm in going forward with this study. I would rather see $130K spent on a feasibility study than spend upwards of $9M on a less than satisfactory property. The group which gave us the petition is moving forward because it was greeted with enthusiasm and they believe Stepping Stones to be a far superior site. There will be a Special Town Meeting and we have to use common sense and vote for Article 1. If we don't have a feasibility study, we will never know if we are doing the right thing. Only a majority vote is needed and then a feasibility study will be done. 1610 is a compromised property and not at all in the best interest of seniors. Finally, the BOS goes back to the School Committee and explains the amount of money that can be saved and the results of the feasibility study regarding safety, traffic, topography, and the other advantages.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/04/2020 - 08:05:48
John - you may want to review the Finance Committee meetings where they thought the request for additional help wasn't' in their budget. They review everything and I totally trust their judgment more than the folks that are requesting the help. If you were around more you'd see some of the waste we see and the employees driving around. Just an FYI as well - complaints were made about these employees months ago and it is still happening. If a manager has non performers on the payroll they're not getting any more help . Thankfully we are fortunate enough to have an outstanding Finance Committee that does its job.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 16:26:34
Unless those opposing new employees can prove via documentation that they aren't needed, the town which has provided that evidence of need should be considered. Just because you may believe that a maintenance guy isn't doing job as you think they should, doesn't mean that some additional help may be required in, let's say, the Town Clerks office. I don't recall the exact positions involved but I am sure that some are strictly office jobs and have NO connection with manual jobs.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 15:40:45
John - you are incorrect. The blue truck is the Town Maintenance Dept. a/k/a Facilities Dept with Mr. Temple as the Supervisor. They are town employees. There is still no need for additional Town Employees and you will find many that agree with me.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 13:43:56
May be incorrect, but only blue trucks that I know of are the water/sewer dept and if so, they're not actually town employees.
And the one good reason is what was said in presentation: the volume of FOIA requests and changed federal/state requirements/regulations.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 13:13:48
Interesting to note I have had two folks email me that they see the same blue Town Truck with the same two people in it always driving around. One commented he sees both folks at Ace Hardware and/or Hinckleys. An excellent point was made as to why they both need to be there and one just can't stay on the job. This is the reason no more employees needed to be added to our payroll. Too many non performers as is with little to no oversight. In the summer when I walk early in the morning - there's a town trash truck always parked at Harding's - same time every morning with the individual on his phone. Every morning around 6:15 a.m. Folks need to report this stuff. Just give us one good reason why more folks need to be added to the Town's payroll.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 12:43:21
Interesting when folks see a lot of them driving around a lot. Once again, poor management on the part of their supervisors and department heads which ultimately falls on the Town Manager.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/03/2020 - 09:01:44
Town manager wants more staff?

The town let a lot of people go a few years ago by asking for early retirement. Now the Town manager want's to add more staff.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/01/2020 - 22:20:05
Bob R: I don't have any info on that, and while I was obviously in favor of having it because it's an integral part of the vehicles needed for a fire department of our size for a variety of needs/uses, my knowledge is/was more on the space/size of the station. Have we had any fires where it's been critical? I don't know. But do people have fire insurance on homes/businesses and never use that? It's somewhat similar to me. And it's not only fires where a platform is needed. High water rescues is another.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/01/2020 - 12:47:07
Hmm, John H., just curious. What is the track record of the "QUINT" since its arrival in Chatham?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/01/2020 - 11:57:31
Not to detract from this lively discussion but how close is the Fish Pier Observation Deck near to actually being used?
Dave Ryder's aging kids are anxious to install the bronze plaque that was approved by the Chatham Selectboard A YEAR AGO ! It is ready to be shared with the multitude of visitors that will certainly avail themselves of a spot almost as far East as you can go in the United States. The Chatham Chamber of Commerce used to say Chatham was "The First Stop Of The East Wind". Still is.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 16:58:48
Elaine. We believe you are wrong. They made it pretty clear they do not want a COA there. They DID vote to NOT declare the land surplus study or not. Sorry but there was not a single vote in favor. They were clear that a study made no difference to them at all. You were there and heard then just like we saw on TV. They wont give it up. This will only serve to stop ANY COA from getting built.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 15:47:36
Alice- If the STM approves the feasibility study- which would address the school's safety and traffic concerns- and the School Committee recognizes the significant benefits and opportunities for the District, they can always take another vote. That's why it is so important for everyone who is opposed to 1610 Main or thinks there should be a less expensive alternative site, to attend the Special Town Meeting on March 7.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 14:21:26
For a bit of levity, saw this last night on a sign here: Taking your dog named Shark to the beach isn't the best idea.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 11:30:11
If the School Committee is unbending, Chatham taxpayers will be left with the choice of a more costly two story COA or nothing for the COA. Very unfortunate.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 10:52:27
Caught the Monomoy School Comm mtg on TV this am. While there was some discussion around supporting a feasibility study, in the end they decided the issue was did they want to declare the land surplus. They voted to keep the land for the school. This is the ONLY vote they took. How can anyone dispute this??? Study or not, they will NOT give the land back to the town. Do people really think they can persuade the School Comm to reconsider their vote and get a majority to vote in favor of giving the land back? Just don't see that happening. If the vote had been split, maybe a chance. While we would loved to seen a study, it seems a moot point. This is going to anger some people but how can they see it any other way?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 09:56:48
As Debbie knows, I spent a lot of time unofficially helping review the fire station and did lots of research and visited a number of other stations. And based on that, I can tell you that in one specific room, it's oversized by around 100SF but it's also undersized by at least 300-400SF in another place because of what it didn't include. People with no knowledge of what a proper modern fire station needs in space may think it's oversized but I can tell you that it's NOT!
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 02/29/2020 - 01:21:30
Emily,Judy David and Elaine, your comments are right on!
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 18:47:26
Bill - the VOTERS approved the police and fire stations. I think most will agree with you there was no need for structures that size. I also wonder how many people were aware there was poor oversight again by town officials in both buildings. Counter tops weren't built to comply with ADA requirements and another contractor had to be brought in to redo everything at tax payers expense since the town signed off on the original contractor. By the way - a LOCAL contractor fixed it. Unlike the fish pier. This is one only one instance of the screwups that were made. The leadership in this town is awful. A few Selectmen have overstayed their welcome as well as the Town Manager. When you have a Board that won't support the folks that voted them in- it's past time to dig into their questionable activities as to why support an inferior piece of land for a COA that will cost more in the long run?. I believe VOTERS once again also voted for regionalization. No one can argue the fact the Town is a mess. It's time to do what's right for the seniors and stop this ridiculous spending spree the BOS have been on. There certainly is no need for another oversized building that won't be utilized.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 17:48:03
I find it inexplicable that the School Committee has absolutely no curiosity about what a feasibility study could produce for their benefit- studies that would potentially increase traffic safety for students, the potential opportunities for increased after school and weekend parking for athletics, using the COA as an evacuation site as a consolidation point for teachers and students in the event of an emergency- all at Chatham's expense-not the district. The COA is only open 8-4 weekdays with most programming over by 2:pm. Children are in class from 8:45-3:15. What's the problem? I have no idea why the School Committee feels so threatened by a senior facility being anywhere near the school that they won't even withhold judgment until a feasibility study is completed. I find it really sad. Many other communities have seniors and students on the same campus.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 16:10:06
Sorry, I have to correct a few things. The so called younger generation begged the older folks not to vote to regionalize the schools.

Let's see, who all voted for a town sewer, fire station, Police station all over sized and much more than the town needed.

Back to the subject. Blame the town leadership, not the young folks.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 15:42:09
I didn't hear the school committee say it was willing to revisit its decision to deny "surplus" status.

How (and why) did the school committee get into the weeds of the cost of $130K, COA strategy, merits of 1610, and process? The single. legitimate issue was student safety. A senior center is a quiet or "mild" presence, with hours, for the most part, that compliment the hours of a school, So I'm not convinced this should be an issue. Strikes me there are more advantages than disadvantages to the school if the senior center is on Stepping Stones.

Dick. L.
Dalton, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 13:48:00
This is not over in any way. The School Committee agreed that if voters approve the request for a feasibility study for the Stepping Stones site and that study is conducted and positive, they will be discussing giving up the less than 2 acres again. We need to get people to the Special Town Meeting and vote for the feasibility study. Of course it will be a superior site for the senior center. Just need people to come on March 7th at 3 PM and vote YES for Article 1. What the Chronicle didn't report is that the School committee said if it passed and a feasibility study was done it would come back to the school committee-. so it's not over
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 12:31:22
Perspective. A coworker, on her way home last night, stopped to help when she saw a driver hit an kill a horse on a rural stretch of highway. After pulling over to assist, another driver came through the area hitting and killing a second horse then swerved and hit my friend. She died at the scene. She had just bought her dream house. I went to the housewarming last Sunday. She couldn't wait for summer to use her new pool. She wanted her hair shorter, maybe stacked. She had a sweet husband & 2 teenagers. Good heart to the core. She was only 38. I know it's not about Chatham but a moment of reflection...thanks for listening.
Melissa
USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 12:01:02
What a debacle! I predict the entire prospect of a new COA building will be dead. I would like to address the younger generation ) the "ME") people who have been selfish and short-sighted throughout this process from not considering any ideas of multi-generational thinking. Since two of the four Monomoy Regional School Committee members from CHATHAM will have their terms end in May 2020, it is s time to elect at least one member of the senior (the "WE") generation to the MRSC. What an idea! It mightlevel the thinking or at least provide some much-needed wisdom. The BOS dared to SCOLD The attendees at their 2/24 meeting for clapping when they obviously were biased against the grass-roots effort and were not paying even polite attention to speakers. It is time for a HUGE turnout at the upcoming Town Meetings to support the Stepping Stones site for a new COA....let's vote for a WIN -WIN instead of a LOSE-LOSE.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 11:19:55
Judy, I think younger people don't like us so much because "we have all the houses, all the land, and all the money". And so we are called "Boomers" Many of them have college degrees [and debt] that do not translate into a good job in the real word. They think they DESERVE a brand new car or truck, $1,500 cell phones and on and on. What they don't remember is how damn hard we worked and went without to help them.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 10:05:24
I believe Chatham has a lot of open space if someone wants to take a walk in the woods.I also feel that the people who pick up their children by the tennis courts that is not the place to do so unless you think you are special by not picking them up in front of the school like other parents do.These are not a reason to not want a COA building to be built there. As for vouchers for child care,if I remember correctly, Monomoy used to charge $ 3-5.00 ( I don't remember if it was by the day or the week) to the parents to pay for child care,now they want the taxpayer to spend $75,000 to pay for it.
jan
chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 09:39:20
Once again, the younger folks didn't want the seniors to use the Community Center, they wanted regionalization, they wanted ADU's to be able to afford to live here, they want taxpayer money to fund their childcare. Do we see a pattern here? The taxpayers supported them. I hope folks think about this when they show up to vote. As Janice said below - it is the give me, give me, give me, ungrateful generation. I would bet they were probably all handed quite a bit in their short lifetime compared to those of us that worked hard for everything we have. There is no excuse whatsoever, these people can't part with two acres. No excuse. There is also no excuse for our current BOS not to support those that want an alternative.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 08:52:42
Hopefully there will be candidates to run against the BOS and school committee incumbents.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 08:43:24
What is the point of a Special Town Mtg when the School Comm will not declare the land surplus? Isn't this the end of it?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 08:31:23
Next step - not one but two town meetings
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Fri 02/28/2020 - 00:48:44
It's nice that school committee is willing to work with the community. Oh, wait a minute that's not the case. To bad, it's the right site.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 22:59:55
What I found odd about the School Committee vote is it's premature -they apparently have no curiosity or interest in waiting to find out what the benefits and opportunities would be for the school. The fact is as a Municipal building the COA's only open 8-4PM weekdays with current programming 8:45-2PM. Children are in class from 8:45-3:15. Their paths would rarely cross-eliminating 90% of the time. A feasibility study could address all the School Committee's apparent safety issues, provide a building with a generator as an evacuation site, and provide after 4PM weekday and all weekend parking for the school at Chatham"expense.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 20:17:01
Monomoy School Comm just voted to Not declare the Stepping Stone Rd land as surplus. This whole week has been a very unpleasant roller coaster ride!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 19:57:53
4-1-1 in support of Article 1.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 16:24:11
Got home just in time to see the Fin Comm meeting end., Did they discuss the Stepping Stones proposal and if so what was their reaction? Thanks for any info!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 16:09:48
Judy, You made some excellent points. NO ONE helped us with child care payments when our kids were little. We did what we had to do! Same with ADUs and just about everything else you wrote!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/27/2020 - 11:01:56
The walk in the woods and the parking lot concerns were expressed by two members of the 365 task force.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 21:01:22
I was referring to the general neighborhood, comparing it to Stepping Stones, which also has an M (school 31.8 acres). I realize there's also commercial on that side of Stony Hill, along with the condos and the dormitory. I'm simply trying to point out that the COA isn't going to disrupt a residential area.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 20:29:23
Debbie - it's zoned "M" - not residential.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:57:17
Condo residences are directly behind the COA. Shane Dr., Bishop's Terrace and CHOP residences all across the street. I think that qualifies it as a residential area.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:38:42
Judy,you are correct and others are feeling the same way about this.They want to keep the land for a pool,totally ridiculous.How about the one that said when he was younger he use to walk that piece of land and would like to preserve it so his kids could do the same. Really, he can't walk 30 of the 32 acres of land and doesn't want to give 2 acres to the seniors of Chatham?It seems to me some people are just ungrateful and are of the gimme I deserve generation.
jan
chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:21:52
Alice - no it is not over, even if School Committee says no. We will still have Special Town Meeting and if enough people turn out and want the feasibility study, perhaps the School Committee will change its mind. There is always that possibility if enough people care and vote YES. BOS presumably will have the feasibility study done and then more pressure can be applied to the School Committee. I find it troubling the young folks don't want this land used after all everyone else has done to support them . We voted for regionalization, we voted for ADU's , there's been the 365 Committee to help them. I think they're being unreasonable . When many of us I were their age we didn't ask for handouts - we moved away where we could afford to live. We didn't expect others to fund childcare. There needs to be some give and take with this . The seniors are doing all the giving and the younger folks are acting like they are entitled to keep this property. . Someone had the audacity the other night to suggest a pool be put on the Stepping Stones property. It's ok for a pool for you - but not a new building for the seniors?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 19:09:09
I believe where the COA is now that side of the road is not residential.
jan
chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 18:23:43
If the School Comm says "no" isn't the whole thing over?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 14:52:47
I do not understand all the fuss about traffic. Obviously there's more on Route 28 than on Stepping Stones Road. Then there's the argument that Stepping Stones is a residential neighborhood not to be disrupted. Aren't our two schools and the existing COA all in residential neighborhoods? The important questions would all be answered if feasibility studies could be done for both sites. Voters deserve no less.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 09:27:15
Addendum: I live on a rather quiet residential street of about 10 homes per side that connects on south end to that same 4 lane divided road for condo so I deal with up to 24K-26K volumes to get most anywhere from my home. If I go out of this three street development on north end, I deal either with a 11K volume road that's a short block from me or the other 6 lane road mentioned.
Living here seasonally gives me a totally different perspective on what traffic is and it seems that many folks who now live in Chatham have traffic amnesia because they appear to have forgotten what it's like elsewhere.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 02:30:30
Jan, you're missing the point: That these SAME people already and regularly use that SAME section of road to access other places in W Chatham, like Oppenheim, OSJL, USPS, etc and/or to get downtown or out of town so why would it be such a problem to get to/from 1610? Makes NO sense...

So I looked up the traffic counts (average daily volume) for some places here. Near the two condo entrances I mentioned, it's 24K and 26K and that's more consistent year round down here. Other roads that I use often here to get around have counts like 48K, 59K, 51K, 33K and 63K but the main north/south road here that people use has counts over 100K so 18K for here is a fairly minor road.

While i don't use it that often, I have never been slowed down by more than maybe one minute at most by the roundabout on Rt 39/QA in Harwich and usually maybe only 2-3 seconds so I just don't see how the WCR ones could cause any gridlock. When there's nobody trying to enter 28 from G Ryder or Barn Hill, there should be no real delay whatsoever. It would be another story entirely if the side roads had similar volumes to 28 but they do not!

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 02/26/2020 - 02:08:34
Hal,I'll believe the traffic study.We all know there is not 1,800 cars on a year round basis.You ask why this would be different for this piece of road?This piece of road would be used mostly by elderly people.Does it really matter if the word rotary or roundabout is used,the meaning is the same.The condo you are talking about,do thy have 1,800 cars using that same stretch of road during the busy months? All in all, we have different opinions on 1610 Main St.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 17:11:28
John - Selectman Dykens and you have spoken prematurely . Let's wait and see what happens if the rotaries are ever put in. I seriously doubt there will be a COA at 1610 so it will be a non issue anyway.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 17:08:57
Don't forget their will no longer be a turning lane between those roundabouts.

In the summer those roundabouts will cause gridlock between 137 and the roundabout, similar to approaching town. Also approaching from the other direction.

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 17:08:17
Jan, as Selectman Dykens clearly pointed out, that traffic argument is totally flawed because those same people use that same portion of road for many other purposes with NO issues so why should this one property now be SO hard to access?
And that traffic count is not the norm all year long...plus it's not rotaties, it's roundabouts which WILL improve the traffic situation, not make it worse.

I am somewhat surrounded here in FL by a retirement/elderly condo complex with over 6,000+ residents and their ONLY access to the complex is via either a four lane divided road with lots of traffic or a six lane divided road with more traffic and they don't have any problems getting around here.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 16:47:24
How about the traffic study that said 18,000 cars a day use that road where 1610 is.I don't think we want the elderly to have to deal with that plus 2 rotaries.I also hope people look at the meeting and they will see how some of the BOS were acting when people were speaking.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 11:20:00
I was also at that meeting. I watched Selectman Dykens and Davis playing on their phones and Selectman Nicastro shuffling papers when the presentations were given on Stepping Stones. Jan is correct in stating their minds were made up. I am totally in agreement with her and will not vote for 1610. The BOS tried to blame the petitioners for not bringing this first to the School Committee. This is our land. They seem to forget that. There are several members of the school committee coming up for re-election. Vote them out. We voted for regionalization for their kids, we voted not to take their Community Center away. Someone actually had the audacity to mention they would like a community pool built in that area. Once again, I applaud the Finance Committee for having the common sense to tell these people to prioritize the funding. The COA is not a priority at this point. The West Chatham Roadway and the Fish Pier are.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 10:43:45
I was also at the meeting last night and I applaud the people who gave us the information on Stepping Stones.I feel the BOS had their mind made up against it before the meeting ever started.I don't care how you arrange a building on the lot of 1610 that lot is not the place for the COA. I did not vote for 1610 at the last town meeting and I will not be voting for it in May. The COA can stay where they are in a building the fits the need.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 10:31:41
Long, Long, Long BOS meeting last night. They voted to not support the Stepping Stones plans. Don't think the Monomoy School Comm will approve it now. . Looks like we are back to 1610 Main. Too bad. At least we could have taken a look at it.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/25/2020 - 09:21:53
From Cape Cod Times tonight: " The websites of several Cape Cod towns were down for much of Monday because of a vendor technical issue, leading one town to cancel scheduled meetings through Tuesday.
The towns affected by the outage included Bourne, Chatham, Dennis, Harwich, Mashpee and possibly others."

J. Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 21:20:42
Sorry - just now seeing this on Chronicle FB page - Use http://hosted.earthchannel.com/ChathamMA/ to watch the BOS and other meetings
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 17:07:22
Appears to be a possible issue with the company that provides web sites for town govts as I also can't get to Harwich or Dennis sites and they're both via the same outfit, from what I know.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 14:22:10
I am getting a creepy feeling of "Big Brother" is watching you. I planned to view today's 5 pm important meeting, live via the website, even from my winter perch in CA, but the gremlins are at work I guess. It better be on the on demand video tomorrow!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 14:16:44
Just had the same problem with Harwich.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 12:21:40
Alice - Still having trouble with the site after 12:00! The Chronicle has the BOS
meeting listed for Monday at 5pm in the Annex.

Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 12:11:31
Yes having trouble logging in to town govt via cell phone and computer
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 11:43:21
Alice: Just tried and seems to be having issues -but- remember that meeting info and agendas and such are at separate site: http://www.mytowngovernment.org/02633 which is working fine for me.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 11:25:03
Anybody having trouble logging on to the Town website? Want to see the BOS agenda and where they are having todays mtg. Expect a lot of people. Thanks
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/24/2020 - 10:56:24
Josie - you would be better informed by going to the water department and having them explain all this to you. You'll get the facts from them. Good luck.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/23/2020 - 10:14:07
Did anyone receive an important notice regarding sewer connection and service lateral installation? What does it mean and how costly is this procedure for the home owner?
Josie

Josie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/23/2020 - 07:22:38
There's no way that this parcel south of the bike path is being used for "educational purposes". The school committee should be grateful that the middle school has 8 tennis courts and 2 basketball courts under its control. This is highly unusual for any middle school that I know of.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/22/2020 - 18:28:41
I agree Debbie. And Superintendent Carpenter said the district lease is flexible and has provisions for the school department to turn land it leases back to the town if it's declared surplus and no longer needed for "educational purposes". He said that happened with the Harwich Middle School (now used as Harwich's Cultural Center) and added "All it took was a vote of the school committee and the board of selectmen, "and that was pretty much it." So the Board of Selectmen could request that 2 acres be declared surplus. If they don't support a Stepping Stones feasibility study as a viable less expensive alternative and 1610 Main fails, the COA can look to them for blame when they end up with nothing.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 16:44:34
That was a Finance Committee Meeting and I think they've done an excellent job. It's past time that someone noticed the spending spree that our Town Manager and Board of Selectmen have embarked on. They need to prioritize their projects and get them FINISHED before opening another can of worms. On another note, I saw an article in the Sun Chronicle in Norfolk that Mr. Temple is departing for greener pastures. Apparently he won't be held accountable for the mess he caused by not doing his job on the West Chatham roadway. We can only hope that Dr. Bob won't be put in charge if the Fish Pier is any indication of the way he runs things. It's time for the non-performers to leave.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 13:52:15
Oh my God... just saw a photo from a recent Town Meeting of Sprague and Seldin... those two old gals still stirring things up?
Herein lies the problem Chatham. Stagnant, old ideas and attitudes. When will Chatham wake up and open a retired town officials wing at Liberty Commons?

John William
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 11:28:07
My comments and questions on the C.O.A. Who came to the conclusion that we need a new C.O.A. and how did they come to that conclusion? Has anyone bothered to ask why the last classes end around 1:30 in the afternoon and one ends at 11:45.Why can't classes be moved to use the afternoon times better?The luncheon is served on Mondays only.I hear someone comes in as a volunteer to make Mondays lunch and enough soup for the rest of the week to buy.I go by there on a regular basis for the last 20 + years and I don't see the amount of people using it to need a new building.Don't be fooled by the amount of cars there in the Summer,most are parking there from the Shark Center.They can either add on or have someone come in to show them how to utilize the space they already have and have more afternoon classes.What are the rooms in the afternoon being used for if there aren't any classes? To spend $ 8,6000,000.00 is ridiculous for a building that is not needed.I will not vote for 1610 Main St or for Stepping Stones Rd.I believe the town will be surprised at the Annual meeting to see how many people feel the same way.
Jan
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 11:12:38
Judy I would hope that people pay attention to how the school committee votes on this.
Jan <redpeterbilt7@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 10:35:10
I just noticed that Jackie Zibrat Long, Meredith Henderson, Nancy Scott, and Sharon Stout are all School Committee members with their terms expiring in May. Pay careful attention as to how they vote. We can vote them out if they vote against us taking our land back.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 09:19:19
Great question Debbie. We wish we knew!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 09:03:14
Do we know for sure that the School Committee can take a vote on this without a request by Selectmen? Among other things, the petition specifically authorizes Selectmen to enter into negotiations with the School Committee in regard to the use of the parcel.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 08:27:50
The problem we are seeing with Stepping Stone Rd is that we can't do a thing, including a feasibility study without the permission of the School Comm. We cannot send in a survey crew, dig test holes etc without their say so. Unless and until we get their permission, nothing can be done on that land. We ARE in favor of a study but just pointing out some facts. Anybody got any ideas?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 07:51:42
Barry and Judy, I believe Pineapple Joe also was a worker at Desimones in West Chatham.....used to be the Lightship.
Kathleen Nowak <pies2@bellsouth.net>
Sebastian, FL USA - Fri 02/21/2020 - 03:31:11
All - Monday, February 24, at 5 PM -- not their usual 6 PM meeting time -- the Selectmen will be hearing an update on the COA 1610 Main Street feasibility study and then holding a Public Meeting on the COA Stepping Stones Road Petition Article requesting a project feasibility study. This meeting is being held in advance of the Special Town Meeting to be held on Saturday, March 7, 2020, at 3 PM, at the Monomoy Regional Middle School Gymnasium at 425 Crowell Road.

We would like to fill the room on Monday with people who signed the petition or would have liked to because they believe that the Stepping Stones site is preferable, or to oppose the 1610 site. We also need speakers. We are guessing that the other side will have plenty of them. Maybe a sentence or two about why you prefer Stepping Stones or oppose 1610. Attached is a list of Advantages of the Stepping Stones site. It doesn't matter if several people use the same reason for supporting Stepping Stones. We need people to try to convince the COA that it is to their benefit to support our Article. Without it, they could be left empty-handed if 1610 is rejected at the May Annual Town Meeting.

Please try to attend. We started this grass-roots movement to provide a safe and suitable facility for the COA and not delay this effort further. The first step is a feasibility study.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 02/20/2020 - 19:38:05
Fred Crimmins is the hero who discovered and suggested the Stepping Stones Rd site......we must thank him and really question the BOS members who seem to be against it. None of the players in this masquerade live in the Stepping Stones area and I can't understand why ANYONE would prefer the 1610 Main St., West Chatham bumpy, busy roadway between two rotaries! Just plain CRAZY.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 02/20/2020 - 19:35:39
Might it be that Fred lives in the neighborhood?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/19/2020 - 08:48:14
I find it ironic in today's Chronicle that the majority of folks against the Stepping Stones location seem to feel the traffic is horrendous. Why don't they drive the horrific West Chatham corridor on a daily basis. This nay-saying, NIMBY attitude is getting old. I truly believe that if Stepping Stones is not selected for a location, the COA will be left with nothing. That will be the end of the discussion.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/19/2020 - 07:55:53
I agree with you completely Elaine. But I don't think BOS wants it there and I think they'll do whatever they can to keep the project at 1610. Unfortunately I think it's ego getting in the way. If they follow the advice of the school committee then they don't look like they are the bad guys.
It was interesting to me that Scott Carpenter (superintendent of monomoy) thought it was a fantastic idea.

Amy
USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 11:41:41
Amy- There is precedent. Harwich declared their Middle School surplus and it's now their Cultural Center. The optimum acreage for rural middle schools the size of Chatham is 24 acres. We are only asking for no more than 2 acres out of 32. There are significant benefits for the School. Since the COA , as a Municipal building, is only open 8-4 and closed on weekends, parking can be used for after school and weekend school events and athletics. Located south of the bike path it will not interfere in anyway with athletic fields. A feasibility study would address traffic and safety, landscaped buffers, and provide an additional site for students and teachers to gather in the event of an emergency. It is a huge opportunity for the school to benefit from a Chatham financed project-rather than the School District.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 10:45:52
Personally I think it has to do with them being wrong and not being able to admit they made a mistake. When a citizen shows up to Town Meeting with a much better plausible idea, I'm sure it's humiliating. They are looking like fools. Mr. Nicastro did no one any favors by the comments he made that were pointed out in last week's Chronicle. They should graciously say they made an error and move on. One would have to be an absolute fool not to see the Stepping Stones property is a better deal.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 09:52:54
It's a mystery to me why BOS isn't on board to consider the Stepping Stones site knowing there's a potential for substantial savings on the COA project cost. Why not find this out?
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 09:38:21
Considering the way the community banded together to support regionalization, for the school committee to reject the idea of giving up a sliver of never to be used land, would be a slap in the face. Is it believable to imagine some members being influenced by the BOS?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 07:18:23
Yes, but if BOS doesn't want to consider the Stepping Stones site, there is no impetus for them to push the school committee. A cynical person might think this is just what BOS wanted.
Amy
USA - Tue 02/18/2020 - 05:09:34
Rediculus. Even though it is in the school district, it is still taxpayers funded. The town should take it for what it is needed just like they would do to us if needed.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 23:46:48
Given the demographics of Chatham, there being very few kids born each year to Chatham parents, then why would any one think that the school might need to be expanded? The property is not a High School any more.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 18:55:21
Best answer is to watch Ch 22 to get a sense of their feelings.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 16:13:40
With all the remaining unused land that school would still have after this, and the lack of any plans for it that I've heard about: Why shouldn't they give up this very small part of all that land?
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 16:10:07
If they are not going to turn over the land, why spend money on a study for land we can't have? Yes, it is a mistake not to return it to us but it seems if they don't want to give it back we should move on.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 14:03:15
I think they would be making a huge mistake by not giving us our land back.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 12:57:07
Hopefully the School Committee will decide not to take a vote until after a feasibility study is completed on the Stepping Stones site. Taxpayers should know the estimated total project cost for both sites in order to make an informed decision.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 11:28:48
We have watched the Monomoy School Comm. meeting on ch 22, 3 times. They do not seem to be in favor of letting us have our land back. If that is so, where do we go from there? Would we even need to have a Special Town Mtg?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/17/2020 - 09:05:29
Kenny, I was there the day the car went into the breezeway at Shop Ahoy.I was working at Rupert's Market. The car missed my head by about a foot. At that time there were three phone booths in there. The first two were destroyed and there was a man in the third one. He was okay but we had a tough time getting him out as the door was bent. When we got out there he was still on the phone. Do I know you? You seem to have been around for a while.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/16/2020 - 12:42:59
Kenny, you're right, Nick had his shop in that narrow opening where the locksmith is now. You just about had to turn sideways to fit in there.

The only picture I've seen of him is in Rob Carlisle's book from about twenty years ago; Nick being sworn in as a teller or constable, one of the two. He looks just as I remember him. Always friendly with us.

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 18:46:13
Yes, Chrysler Imperial was what I recalled, too, but didn't know it was a summer person. Can still see it wedged right in there. Expensive car back then. Sort of a subdued misty green, maybe?

Oh I bet there are definitely some barbershop stories around, and not 100 percent of them for the re-telling these days either. Kind of a gathering place with its regulars, customs, talk, smoke, magazines, etc. But no sheep, lol. Possibly some hair salon stories out there by any chance?

Interesting about Sonny. Now I know what was actually in that Vitalis bottle!

Kenny
USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 18:09:26
Sorry, I give you this:
"Where do sheep go to get trimmed? The Bah Bah shop."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 17:23:06
Who knew there were so many Chatham barbershop stories out there? Wasn't Nicholas's mother the Town Clerk at one time? Not Mabel Mallowes, but another Mabel. Nick served the community well, as did David Stevenson later in Orleans.
Sonny Walker, later a Chatham barber, was one of the last Coast Guardsmen who knew how to operate the Nauset Light with kerosene lamps, before it was electrified.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 17:09:04
Oh dear, I hope it wasn't my Aunt Agnes (330 Stage Harbor Rd) who drove her Chrysler Imperial from Nashville up every summer.....big fins....big woman.....1940s and 1950s.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 15:38:38
Yes, that's right, Mabel's son Nick moved from next to the Atwood Store into the addition to Shop Ahoy, pretty sure anyway. He might have also done haircuts in peoples' homes, too? Maybe even in the kitchen of his mother's house on Barcliff Ave. at some point, while just starting out?

There was a little opening between the original Shop Ahoy building and the addition, with one or two phone booths (remember phone booths?) part way between front and back.

Really Really Trivial Trivia: Anyone recall the make of the car that got wedged inside that opening after having been parked directly in front of it? I think it was one of those push-button-on-the-dash automatic transmission jobs, not one with a shift lever on the column. Pretty big car, big fins, pretty new I think, which was probably why the wrong button got mistakenly pushed and then the gas stepped on? Pretty funny at the time, no one seriously hurt but maybe a little embarrassed (hope I'm not offending anyone).

Kenny
USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 14:38:11
I remember going to Nick the barber with Dad when I was a kid, but he was in West Chatham at that time. I remember his imposing figure, collared shirts and his big belt buckle. When it was Dad's turn in the chair, I would go and get comfortable in the unused chair in back.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 02/15/2020 - 09:42:41
And before it was the Children's Shop it was the apartment where my Grandmother lived and I stayed with her. Her name was Clara Burgess Eldredge, her husband was "China" Josh. Josh was brother to Good Walter Eldredge... Josh and Walter built 3 skiffs in the basement of Walter's house. The names were Clara, Louise and Christine. Josh and Clara had 3 children, Josh Junior died of a hemorrhage, lived only 5 days. Christine died after 5 years, she died of pneumonia.. As you can see Louise, my mother, was the only survivor.. Lucky Herb, Gordon and John Pratt...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 02/14/2020 - 11:27:48
Tom Janes' barbershop was in the building owned by Johnny Nickerson who had a liquor store in the other half. The Paddock was in the building where Jane Nickerson had the Children's Shop. Did David Stevenson work in Sonny Walker's barbershop for a while?
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 23:41:53
Joe Orlando, known as Joe the barber had a shop next to the triangle.
Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 16:04:13
Thanks Wayne...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 15:12:56
Yes Gordon, I have a post card showing that.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 14:17:50
Barry..... Am I correct in saying the band stand was located between the bowling alley and the Town office building lot ?
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 13:56:38
I did too Gordon.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 13:28:11
And West of Forgerons Shoe Store was Ed Mallows Bowling Alley where I set up pins and played pool back in the 40s...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 13:08:01
No Dick, Tom James was near Forgerons Shoe Store, now Yankee Ingenuity. That was where I got my first haircut. Nick the Barber had his barber shop next to Atwoods Grocery store across from Wayside Inn.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 12:02:23
Next to the Chatham Theater (now The Orpheum), there was the old A&P., with the likes of Tom Slavin, Bucky Goodwin, Cliff Rourke, Gene Bladen, and Manager Rusty Eldredge. Adjoining it was the office of Ken Pratt and the Cape and Vineyard Electric Company. Then the steep driveway. Actually, Sonny Walker had his barber shop near Sandis Diner. Did Tom Janes occupy that shop before Sonny?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 10:59:45
The one near the A&P was run by Tom James
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 09:28:46
Was the barber shop being remembered in the strip mall next to the Old A&P? I vaguely recollect my brother getting a haircut in a shop there. I had to watch & wait. Thought it was kid of a neat place. Didn't do consignment in my youth but DID shop at Scrimshaw Trading when it actually sold 2nd-hand clothes out of barrels!!! Wore one of the wonderfully soft flannel shirts I bought there until it disintegrated!!! Good times.
Melissa
USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 09:26:11
I remember that shop and how nice it was.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 07:27:43
The consignment shop was run by my mother and aunt. It was called Next to New.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/13/2020 - 06:21:36
Thanks to Barry for confirming the fufu memory. I want to say there was also a consignment shop in the same building but that may be pushing the memory a bit.
Kenny
USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 23:06:22
Barry - thank you. So many of these former town characters - I forget who was who. Glad someone remembers them. I just remember bits and pieces.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 20:52:22
correct email address
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 14:40:12
Judy, that Joe came from Hawaii, I think he might have worked at Christopher Ryder.
Barry Fulcher <robertmm@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 14:36:51
Was he called Pineapple Joe? I seem to remember my grandmother talking about him. . .
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/12/2020 - 10:32:34
Dick, and Kenny, that was Joe Orlando, originally he came from Puerto Rico, and he was the barber who said fufu!!
Barry Fulcher <robertmm@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 20:57:17
lol, forgot all about Joe the Barber. Wasn't he in that "strip mall" at the bottom of Seaview Street, next to Gregorian's? Not sure I remember this right, but I think I can hear him talk with a little bit of a foreign accent? Obviously, a lot of people fled to this country from Europe before, during, and after WW2. Wonder whether Joe was one. I want to say he had a name for the liquid he put in your hair. Fufu? You want some fufu? he would ask. Maybe that was someone else.
Kenny
USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 19:04:23
Regarding barber shops in Chatham, for some reason I didn't visit Tom Janes, but rather Joe The Barber. Can't remember his name.
Early on, at Old Harbor Road, Dave Ryder was the barber, using hand powered clippers for his three boys. That taught me to SIT STILL, or have the clippers get caught in my hair and produce hurt if I moved.
Sorry if I disrupted the thread about where the COA should be. Look for my Letter to the Chronicle .

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 16:54:51
Judy and everyone else. Nobody should be afraid of what this group is doing. We wish we could go to their meetings but they seem to be closed. Have to wait until town meeting but believe we will see a well presented plan. We look forward to it and think every one else does too. 500 people said we need to take another look at this. They deserve their chance to show us why and how.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 16:36:26
Amy - totally agree with you. I found it disturbing to hear the comments made by Mr. Nicastro and Mr. Dykens as to the petitioner's wording on the explanation. The folks that spearheaded the petition could not have been much clearer with the wording as to the advantages of the Stepping Stones property. The BOS are certainly against it - and I'd love to know why. It's obvious it is much less expensive than what they "envisioned" at 1610. They should be trying to work with us instead of against us. They should be embarrassed that a citizen brought this to them and they tried to knock it down. Now they are forced to act on a petition that had over 500 signatures and it shows you how clearly they screwed up. Never even an apology. The Finance Committee also has their number. There are so many things going on in this Town that need attention paid to that it's disturbing. This is only one of the things we see that has been brought to light.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 13:30:22
It's pretty clear from watching the BOS meeting last evening that most are digging in their heels on the COA and their desire to have it at 1610. They seem to be doing whatever they can to thwart the efforts of the petitioners of the Stepping Stones Road site. Shame on them for not listening with an open mind to 500 + voters.
Amy
USA - Tue 02/11/2020 - 11:57:33
John, I found your post interesting. I never knew that Jimmy was married to Tom Janes. I do remember Ralph Bellamy coming to CHS for a special assembly that apparently his son had a part in. I'm always interested in Village lore since my Grandmother Wheeler lived on School Street and I spent much time there. Great memories.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 21:07:35
Jimmy Walsh Taylor was married Tom Janes, the barber, before she married Ed Taylor. They lived in the Walsh House on the corner of School Street and Hallett Lane. Jimmy ran a summer nursery school and Billy Bellamy went there for two summers. I went most days and knew Billy pretty well only 70 plus years ago.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 18:49:45
Anyone know if the BOS are going to discuss the school property tonite? It's not on the agenda but you never know whats up with them.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 12:18:05
The 7c's was run by the Clarks. It was where Shawns office is
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 09:10:43
I knew Bill pretty well. He worked for a year or two at Chatham Furniture Store in the office when I worked there, before he did coffee shop thing. Had him over for dinner a few times. He was pretty much of a loner. He was the adopted son of Ralph Bellemy the Actor. Lived for a time at the Gould cottages in West Chatham. Good guy.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/10/2020 - 07:30:25
Pretty sure Claras was in the post office building on the 28 end. Someone did take over the 7cs after it closed and before Bills opened but cant remember who had it.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 20:23:18
Mr. Ryder. Don't know that answer to that, maybe one of the Baker boys or Miss Norma might know:..
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 19:20:59
Was Clara Bearse's place on the end of the building closest to 28? Four shops in the building altogether and a few apartments above? She made a lot of pies? Maybe sometimes had a lead foot, going all the way from Cedar Street?
Kenny
USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 19:09:44
Did the 7 C's take the place of Clara's?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 17:34:13
Thanks for the answers. Bill's Kitchen. Couldn't remember the name. Was a popular spot for third shift Harwich cops to meet each other for coffee, often all three patrol units simultaneously, no coverage for their whole town. Norm Fennell and/or Bill Greenwood must have found out some of the details from John Raneo near when Raneo retired, maybe before. Little bit of an internal storm over it, early 70s. Don't think Raneo was happy about them all being off base together. Threats quietly made in Chatham by one of the Harwich patrolman about using his sap. Thankfully Chatham police weren't really involved. Different times and quieter then for sure. Would be all over YouTube today. Forgot about the 7 C's restaurant. Too bad about the sad ending, famous father and all. Thanks again.
Kenny
USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 15:08:42
Before he had his place called "Bills Kitchen" he worked at least one summer as the guide at the Chatham Windmill. He started out at [least as far as we know] in the old Clarks 7 C's small building next to the S. Chatham post office. He then moved next to the old Cumbies in S. Chatham. Homestyle cooking like New England boiled dinner followed by split pea soup a couple days later. He came to a very sad ending.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 11:31:55
"Bills Kitchen".. he had a pinball machine..
Chick <ccjink466@gmail.com>
MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 10:50:52
Yes, yes and yes. Didn't last long, as I recall.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/08/2020 - 07:32:09
Anyone remember that 24-hour diner in S. Chatham next to Cumberland Farms, on the corner of Morton Road? Did Ralph Bellamy's son own it or work there?
Kenny
USA - Fri 02/07/2020 - 20:28:45
Watching TV this am and seeing actor James Cromwell being interviewed on talk show...maybe it's just me but he looks and sounds much like our John Sweeney from S Chatham...just a observation.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 02/06/2020 - 10:35:02
I am so pleased that the voices of reason and common sense have been so active in Chatham. I applaud their efforts.
If Richard E. Ryder, who resides permanently across the street, could vote I think he would be in favor of building a COA building on Town Owned Land near where he is. Back in 1933, when he died, a support group for elderly people was unheard-of. I think it was called neighbors looking out for each other.

Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 17:50:41
Alice. You are correct. All Municipal and Conservation properties were rejected at the Town Staff level. At the August 5 BOS meeting, the Middle School property was never discussed publicly. Voters were shocked to learn at the Special Town Meeting on January 4 from a citizen -not the Town- there were 32 acres. We were also told that night it was owned by the District. Had we known that wasn't true and it's town owned, I think 1610 would likely have failed. Selectman Nicastro's statement in the CCT that it was up to "advocates" to bring this forward earlier is passing the buck. We pay Town staff to do that. It shouldn't be the job of private citizens to have to be watchdogs and then blamed. Dismissing 511 signatures collected in the dead of winter in only 4 days, and the intelligence of those signing, is divisive and may backfire. If we don't offer Stepping Stones as an alternative, it is likely 1610 will not get 2/3 and the COA will be left with nothing. Not a good strategy.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 11:39:17
There is certainly nothing wrong with slowing things down on 1610 Main and giving this new location a good going over. Like the old saying goes [almost] Lets measure twice and build once!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 10:58:52
The bike path is in a fairly steep gully, thus making for a natural separation for the Senior Center. A Selectman who criticized said that it's a quiet neighborhood. This is a problem? There's a big cemetery right across the street, and I highly doubt that users of this facility would pose a disruption for anyone in the few (mostly seasonal) abutting houses.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 10:47:47
I agree that by already being separated by bike path, that portion of land is not really practical for any school usage and I seriously doubt if anyone ever goes into it now. Plus, there's a very large undeveloped amount of land along the west and north sides of the school so it's not like we'd be taking their last vacant open space.
J Hallgren (as User)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 10:20:15
The BOS seemed to be surprised when it was first brought up at the Special Town Meeting. From that point forward folks realized the many positive aspects of that site vs the negatives of 1610 Main Street. The young folks that may have questions should continue their research more thoroughly to better understand the advantages which include financial as well as location. The bike path that goes around it isolates the building and parking from any intrusion to any playing fields, tennis courts, etc of school property.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 09:53:36
Wondering why the elementary school was put on the table in the very beginning (Nov. 2016) and not the middle school. Fact is the public never knew about the middle school possibility until a citizen finally figured it out after it was too late. This site is in no way being utilized by the school, so I do not understand why some parents would oppose declaring it surplus.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 09:37:37
Good Morning John. Article in todays CC TIMES says the town did evaluate the land in the past and turned it down. If that is true it must have been done in Ex Session. Nobody seems to have any memory of it. It is possible it got passed over by BOS thinking Monomoy District owned it. We are also hearing that parents with school age kids do not want land taken from the school campus. We just don't know.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/04/2020 - 08:44:35
One clear advantage to locating the COA on this latest site near the school is the fact the property in West Chatham will remain on the tax rolls!
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/03/2020 - 16:35:47
Alice: Just curious - back when they were first discussing sites, and then after the Middle Rd didn't go, did anyone from public push it like they did now? I don't recall any such advocation for that site. Also, I suspect that most everyone including BOS felt/presumed that it was not possible to use any of the school land once the Monomoy district was formed.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 02/03/2020 - 15:27:43
The real question is why the BOS never discussed this land in public! We could have had a new COA building up and running by now. How sad! Some one on the BOS really has to answer this question.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/03/2020 - 09:02:17
Those 500 signatures were obtained in less than one week, in the quiet of winter. That alone should tell folks how incredibly against 1610 folks were.for a senior center. It just isn't feasible.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Sun 02/02/2020 - 18:20:20
Thanks John H. for that link. Very impressive that 500 voters signed a petition to consider the site near the school a possibility for the COA.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/02/2020 - 17:39:37
This week's Airport Commission was disastrous. Among other things the commission arrogantly shot down the Selectmen's guidance in forming an Airport Advisory Committee and starting the 20-year plan from scratch. One pilot from Orleans sarcastically said in the Chronicle on Wednesday that Chatham citizens think they own the airport. WHAAAT? He doesn't own a house here and doesn't pay Chatham taxes. He should stay in Orleans.
Denis
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 16:53:20
Via their FB post: https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5505/chatham/5473/Special-Town-Meeting-Will-Be-Called-For-Alternative-Senior-Center-Site.htm
It describes the petition and results...

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 16:14:30
I heard that Dr Gupta was moving there in March.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 09:03:08
Heard on the grapevine that both doctors at Oppenheim Medical are moving to Fontaine Medical. Anyone else know anything about this?
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/31/2020 - 07:08:22
Did you know the oldest house in Chatham is up for demolition? 1700 or earlier. 68 Shell Drive. We have got to save it! Join our citizens group. Janet.whittemore@gmail.com, 774-722-0822
Ellen Briggs <Ellen@protectourpast.org>
Chathsm, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 20:05:15
I for one have strong interest in both the "lost" boathouse and the COA being located on Stepping Stones Rd.. So I welcome all posts on these two issues.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:51:44
Emily: One advantage of the format of this site is that it's not threaded so multiple topics and conversations can exist simultaneously just like at a party. So if Richard and others want to discuss the boathouse, nothing stops you and others from discussing COA, ok? Just read past those posts that may not interest you. Maybe you'll need to use the page that shows all posts and not just last five as main page does but it's easily available.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:46:06
Petitions have been turned in. Thank you to everyone who signed. We shall see what the next steps are in a few days. It's apparent there is significant interest in this new parcel of land.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:20:40
Richard Ryder please let us continue with the COA conversation!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 19:15:17
How shall we proceed in buying the 1936 USCG Boathouse back and having it become the new shellfish upweller building at the Mitchell River Bridge site? That project has been in the works for some time. The1936 building is very close to the proposed new building in size.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 17:24:01
Time for an influx of new town leaders/managers/etc.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 13:43:13
Well remember they didn't even realize it was town property when it was suggested at the meeting. I think that says a lot in itself. With the fish pier (hopefully) nearing completion notice how they are now saying how great the work-quality is. I'm sure the lawsuit will be dropped.
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 13:20:04
BOS Chair also said no one came forth with the idea of using Stony Hill land. Isn't that their job? They said over and over they they had looked at ALL town owned land going back to their decision to place COA building on Middle Rd.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 12:55:27
Alice - - The Chairman of the BOS tried to say it was discussed in August - but we've since found out that was not true. They should be ashamed of themselves, along with the Town Manager and others involved in the selection process. I hope this is a lesson for everyone - never, ever underestimate the power of voters.
Judy P
W Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 10:40:07
Everyone has their own opinion for a new COA but the only one that will count is how they vote at the next meeting.
Janice Susan
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 10:33:24
The existing COA is not adequate and a new facility is definitely needed. The Middle School parcel is a perfect fit and I think it could be built there for much less than $8.6 million. I hope that voters will do the right thing.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 10:01:05
FYI: There's an article in Chronicle this week (just published via website and Facebook) about the COA on school property.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 09:52:23
Since the Special Town Meeting earlier this month,I have talked to quite a few people about the new COA. It seems they do not want a new COA no matter where people want to put.They don't want to spend 8.6 million dollars for a new place when the one they have now is adequate.I totally agree with them.I think at the Town Meeting in May, it will all be voted down,not because they don't accept where it will go but that they just don't want it.
Janice Susan
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 09:26:35
The question is, "Why did the BOS never discuss this location in an open meeting?" How could they ignore this in favor of Middle Rd? We could have a new COA building up and running. What a boondoggle! Going to be some very red faces!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 09:15:52
Right on Dan.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 01/29/2020 - 00:04:04
That is the first place that makes any sense.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 20:38:00
I have reviewed the packet of information explaining the plan for locating the COA at the Stepping Stone Road location. FINALLY, some good old-fashioned common sense has come to the fore! Everything about this site is smart, far-sighted, congenial to all ages for years to come. Seniors will be safe, one story, close to town, enjoying the sights of younger folks nearby enjoying the bike paths, tennis, Pickleball and ball fields. Why not? Have the " powers that be" become tired of the effort involved to find a suitable place.....when it was right under their nose?
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 19:38:40
Thanks Richard. This site makes a lot more sense and a one story building will fit nicely on it. It's ridiculous to have staff sequestered away upstairs when they should be interacting with the Seniors. I truly believe if this site isn't picked the other will most definitely be voted down in May and this will be the end of all discussions.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 18:58:41
I think Fred is referring to the "hills" at both ends of the road, not the site itself. When I worked for Eugene Hanson back in late 1963, I helped paint those cemetery railings. There was no road there back then, just dirt paths if I am not mistaken.
Richard Gould Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 17:29:49
Fred --- there are no steep hills. You'll see the plans soon enough. No topographical issues. Much safer with three ways to access it. No rotaries. I'd like to think your comment is in jest since you obviously aren't aware there are no steep hills but I have no idea.
Judy
W Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 16:59:14
Judy, Stepping Stones should not be subjected to additional traffic. Between the steep decent and ascent on either end and both intersections on curves and subject to poor lines of site. Plus you have to pass a graveyard whichever way you travel. Is that the kind of reminder we want our loved seniors to endure?
Fred
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 16:22:54
There is a petition being circulated in Chatham asking for a feasibility study to consider locating the Council on Aging at the Middle School property on Stepping Stones Road. There's room for a one-story structure with green space on a safe road with room for parking and expansion, and doesn't impact the bike path or baseball fields. If anyone has any interest in signing one prior to Friday please contact me and I will tell you where you can find one.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/28/2020 - 14:05:41
Wait, your wife was excluded even though she and you are members?
Thanks, but I guess I will wait until these folks figure out another venue that will accommodate those who wish to hear what they have to say.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 18:47:55
Richard, Most people that attend these events don't need or have tickets they are members like us. Do you want us to get your name on the list if there is another one?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 17:56:17
My take is they opened the doors way before 1:15. Not fair. It wasn't inclement at all. Even so, I guess we would have been too late if we had been in line at 1:00.
The reality is there is a HUGE amount of interest in this 400th Anniversary of the Mayflower arrival, her trip, etc. I expect the shallop Elizabeth Tilley to be tied up alongside the CG36500 at Rock Harbor sometime this coming season..
Should we be selling tickets in advance? Wait, how else could we sell them? Like, advance reservations. An oxymoron if ever there was one.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 17:41:01
Richard, My wife got there right after you and did not get in either. They did tell her that they were going to try to do another in two weeks and had a sign up sheet. We have some friends there and if you would like we can probably get your name on it. Let me know. Word is the people were all there and in line when the doors opened. The staff was overwhelmed. It is the end of January and a nice day and people are looking for something to do.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 16:50:20
Drove 1/2 hour to get to the Atwood House for a 2 o'clock presentation today. Got there at 1:17, after doors supposedly opened at 1:15. How did the parking lot fill up, parking on the roadside be all taken, and the place sell out in 2 minutes? Suggest advance sale of tickets would be more fair.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/26/2020 - 15:30:26
Richard, perhaps you remember that Jake came to most of our Little League games when we were Gulls, so many years ago.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2020 - 21:45:05
When Jake worked for Chase Chevrolet on Old Harbor Road, I might have been 10 or 11. We had plentiful crops of rhubarb, which I found out were, for me, a cash crop. I sold rhubarb stalks to Jake and other mechanics. Bad news: he later nicknamed me Ruebub.
You can't make these stories up.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/25/2020 - 16:46:15
I was lucky to listen to Jake Worth in my younger years. He told me of the wartime days wherein they would walk the beach looking for German saboteurs. IIRC, he and/or his guys rolled a couple of them up once (my memory is hazy so he might have been recalling that a few were balled-up).

He was a font of stories and some great information.

JimP
USA - Sat 01/25/2020 - 15:39:50
Oh how I wish I had known of his experiences at Old Harbor. For some reason, I didn't know enough to ask him questions, and neither did I know enough to ask Jake Worth about his experiences at Monomoy Station. Or to ask Good Walter who lived down the hill, on the beach, from Sammy Morgan. I used to empty Sam's cat box once a week, before cat litter. Got new beach sand / cat litter near Good Walter's classic abode.
Anyone got any Sammy Morgan stories? I think he was a WWI Army Cavalry officer based on what I saw in his garage.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/24/2020 - 16:44:26
I have warm memories of Uncle Ben and Annie from the war years when we stayed on Highland Ave. My mother would take me and my sister over to visit them and I would sit on his lap. What a wonderful mustache he had and stories to delight a small child.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/24/2020 - 15:28:02
Just to set the record straight, I want to say that Surfman Benjamin Oliver Eldredge was a Surfman at Old Harbor Station when it was built in 1898. He married Annie Slavin, who became the Principal of the Chatham High School. Benjamin Slavin Eldredge was their only child, who was killed in a fall while employed in the construction of the Cape Cod Canal Railroad bridge in 1934. He is buried at the the Evergreen Cemetery in Harwich. Not in the concrete at the bridge site.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/23/2020 - 19:19:24
I missed the upwelled vs upweller typo. The print on the screen is pretty small, and the program changes correct spelling to more common words I guess.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/20/2020 - 13:48:15
The CG36500 is 74 this year, but is already on the National Register of Historic Places and has been for over ten years. I am okay with the boathouse being deemed "Historically Significant". Are there preliminary plans for a new upwelled building?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/20/2020 - 13:45:52
"Historically significant" is the operative definition.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/20/2020 - 07:26:48
If we stick to this idea that anything over 75 years old is historic we are going to have start protecting shabby post World War II ranches built on concrete slabs. While they may be just fine for the current owners they are hardly historic.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 19:48:22
The CG boathouse is over 75 years old. Ergo, it's historic.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 19:30:30
The Chatham Boathouse is NOT that historic, it having been built in 1936. However, it was a key to the ongoing maintenance of the CG36500, which would have been hauled out there for bottom painting, etc. I have photos of the 36500 being there.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 18:00:26
In line with Ellen's post, and Debbie's:. I want to find out what interest there might be in getting the USCG Boathouse BACK to Chatham, to serve as a building near the Mitchell River Bridge to house the proposed baby mercenaria mercenaria upwellers that are so important to the shellfishing industry in Chatham. I am willing to start a Go-Fund Me group to get things going.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 17:41:30
Have any of you heard of Protect Our Past, a newly formed not for profit organization which is focused on producing a full length fill documentary about the issues surrounding saving historic properties? As you know, you can't build a historic house. We are losing too many in Chatham, on the Cape and around the nation. Check our out website, www.protectourpast.org. Hey, if you are interested, let me know!
Ellen Briggs <ellen@protectourpast.org>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 17:16:04
FYI: The Chronicle Weekend Update email of coming possible stories this week includes: Fish Pier update; Stage Harbor Coast Guard boathouse in Hull; COA using middle school property...all topics that have been discussed here! So maybe we'll get some answers/info that hasn't been provided before...
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 01/19/2020 - 13:25:52
Richard- I suggest that the Google view isn't current. If I had your email address, I'd send you the photos.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 19:04:57
Senior Chief Roloff told me the other day that there isn't that much water there, even if it is quite wide to a viewer from the Lighthouse overlook. He said their crews have to go across at an angle to find the deepest water too pass over the shallows.. Of course, that was last week.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 18:59:39
I was at the Lighthouse the other day and boy are those some dramatic changes. The land extends to about the beginning of where South beach started, filling in nicely. However their is no South Beach visible as far as I could see, just solid water with 3' breakers.

When did South beach disappear and how far down from the lighthouse is it before the beach starts? All I saw was water.

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 18:48:56
Google Maps for the address you show does not show more than one building, although I do see some relic type CG boats around the building at 125 Main Street. I will have to do a drive by to compare the photos I have with the buildings you suggest are there.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 17:46:05
Richard- Yes, two Coast Guard boathouses in Hull. I believe the Harbormaster just learned about this, so you could get in touch with him.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 17:35:38
125 Main Street just to the left of the white building with the high pitched roof.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 17:22:11
Just looked at Google Maps for Windmill Point in Hull. The old USCG boathouse is still there in what is dated a 2020 satellite view. Wonder where the other one is?........ Do we have an address? It would be very cool to get it back to Chatham.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 16:49:39
OK: So there are two USCG Boathouses in Hull?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 16:43:23
Richard, This is definitely the Chatham USCG Boathouse. It has the distinctive dormers. It's up on blocks, being stored on someone's property. I hope that someone can track down how it got there.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 14:57:22
Wait a second: the boathouse at Hull (Hull Gut) is not the one from Chatham. It is of similar design. I have been in that one as well, and I believe it is still being used by a rowing club to store their boats and equipment.
The last I knew, the Chatham Boat House was in Quincy.
By the way, The Pilgrim Monument was built by a Cashman Company from Quincy. Wonder if it is the same family as the present Cashman Construction outfit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 13:31:22
Saw this via Facebook and sharing it here to help get word out...Town officials want folks to email Coast Guard re planned removal of Chatham Beach lighted whistle buoy C and how it is needed to be kept in place. See this press release on town site:
https://www.chatham-ma.gov/sites/chathamma/files/news/pr_c_buoy_comment_extension_01-17-20_final.pdf

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 12:06:47
I believe that building was built in 1936. Just before it was removed from Stage Harbor, I went inside it and took a lot of photos. It was very well built, and maybe now just showing exterior deterioration. If the present owner, Jay Cashman of Strong Island fame, would be willing to return it, it would be relatively easy for his crew to bring the barge in at high water and reposition the building on pilings. That is how it was built in the first place!
Of course, the Stage Harbor entrance channel will have to be dredged just before the barge shows up. I understand as of now it is quite shoal in places.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 11:34:08
I like the idea of bringing the Coast Guard Boathouse back to Chatham and using it as the upweller building on Stage Harbor almost directly across from the original location.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/18/2020 - 07:25:29
I've just seen photographs of our long lost USCG boathouse. It's sitting on a lot in Hull and it's in a very sad state of neglect. Wishing we could get it back. It would make for a wonderful upwelling building.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/17/2020 - 17:45:07
What a tale could be told of the financial benefits of selling alcohol to folks back then, and during Prohibition. Yes, I know there were many who were against such dealings. I surmise it was like us going ten miles over the speed limit.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/17/2020 - 17:10:00
I believe that Marcellus Eldredge helped pay for the Methodist Church clock. It is possible that his brother, Fisher, also contributed. One story I heard was that there were folks in Chatham who wondered if the Town should accept the gift since the Eldredge fortune was earned in the brewery business. Of course, like the library, more sensible heads prevailed and the Town accepted the Eldredge gifts.
JOHN WHELAN <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/17/2020 - 17:05:20
When I and others were Chatham kids, without a watch or certainly a cell phone, the Methodist Church clock was our timepiece. If we were downtown, it was certainly visible. If we within earshot, either that clock or the one on the High School tower sufficed. I never had a wristwatch until I graduated from High School in 1957. I still have a watch that my Grandfather, Richard E. Ryder, bought in 1917. He must have cherished this , knowing that all of his rescues, etc would have been recorded using his new pocket watch.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 19:13:30
A good way to keep tabs on what's happening at the Fish Pier and other waterfront projects is to watch the videos from the channel 18 Archive of the committee meetings where they report on the status of these projects.
AP Ryan <ryan.annp@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 18:29:20
Went by the Chatham Fish Pier this afternoon. A place dear to my heart .Got lucky and talked with the Wharfinger. He was very upbeat, complimenting the TWO men who are working daily on the project. Stringers for the stairs are being prepared offsite, etc . Problem appears to be the company not supporting the workers to the needed level. They have requested materials in advance but their needs have not been met in a timely fashion.
The company has not provided an empty dumpster since last fall, so the construction trash is building up. Sorry Wayne, but I had other issues and went over there on short notice.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 17:37:45
Cynthia: Maybe (based on Chronicle article) look up the minutes of the 1910 Town meeting where they took responsibility for it?
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 11:50:33
Whose idea was it to buy the "clock" from the Methodist Church? Just curious.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/16/2020 - 11:01:05
Richard R. Let me know when you will be there and I will meet you and we can look at it together.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 21:20:32
Emily, I accept the challenge and will give a full report.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 16:47:07
Hmmm, something is fishy at the Fish Pier! Richard Ryder, why don't you drive down from Eastham, have a look and report to the rest of us in the Chat-M-Room? I see it daily on the live video cams and it sure looks unfinished, flimsy, no elevator, no stairs, no access, no worker bees. If Alice is correct about pending legal action, will we endure another summer of non-completion? We need citizen action to help our fishing industry.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 14:25:41
We think that now that the whole thing is going to court, the town has gone silent. Lawsuits probably coming from both sides.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 10:40:38
Richard - I'm pretty sure it hasn't been completed or we'd hear about it. I think folks have just given up on any expectations as to when it will be done.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/15/2020 - 08:49:06
Moving on, when will the Fish Pier project be completed? Or is it done already?
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/14/2020 - 17:19:29
Thank you all for your kind comments.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/10/2020 - 16:57:55
Yes Nancy, Judy, and Richard I also enjoyed the article! I printed it and put away with my Pendelton stuff.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 20:43:02
Yes brother Richard, I also enjoyed your article on the 36500!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 20:09:54
Richard - I'm sorry I neglected to mention the excellent article you wrote on the Coast Guard Motor Lifeboat. It was a great read - thank you!
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 19:33:36
Anyone read the article in the daily paper today on the feasibility study Brewster is doing to consolidate two schools and use one for a Community Center? They've talked about getting a Community Center for more than a decade. Sound familiar? It'll probably be up and running before the new COA is.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 19:22:23
Isn't there a Non-Voting section ? A vote by hand requires a person to hold up their card. A voice vote is to me not reliable, as folks tend to shout louder than they might otherwise. The moderator can only discern so much with a voice vote. If non-residents are in the mix, then a hand count with a card held up should be an absolute minimum way to count the votes.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 17:09:58
Just a thought.....why do they allow anyone without a voting card into any Town Meeting? Voice votes cannot be accurate, if this is the case. As a voter, I feel strongly in favor of ballot votes, although sad to see tradition disappear.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 16:14:21
Visiting Chatham soon. I hear that the Squire is a great place to eat and socialize.
Martha
Greenwich, CT USA - Wed 01/08/2020 - 09:34:21
As an aside to a very interesting ongoing subject, I wish to relay that Boatswain Mate Chief Travis Roloff, Executive Petty Officer (second in command) of Coast Guard Station Chatham was recently promoted to Senior Chief. He scored # 2 in a service wide exam to achieve his well earned promotion.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 17:24:26
I checked the RFP's on the Town website and the one for 6/28/19 has minimum 57,000 sf. The one for 12/8/17-1/12/18 has "minimum buildable upland at least 65,000 sf, based on M zoning setbacks".
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 15:34:38
Thanks Elaine. That's exactly what I was looking for.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 15:12:22
Debbie- The Request for Proposals (RFP) sent out June 2019 said a site of 70,000 sq ft. or greater would be highly advantageous. Less than 70,000 and greater than 64,000- advantageous. Less than 64,000 but greater than 57,000-least advantageous. 1610 Main is 55,000 +/- but 1/3 is a 49' drop to the pond. In 2018 they were looking for lots of 84,000 sq ft.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 14:42:08
John- Do you know what the minimum lot size requirement was prior to it being changed to 57,000 sf?
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 13:21:59
I would suspect that there's only a few of those various properties that were: large enough; buildable; sewer and water available; free from conservation or other restrictions; on readily accessible street/road; not in outlying areas of town; zoning potentially compatible or similar; etc.

The web page I found shows a couple of pages of properties at least. Remember that the town owns some very unusual and/or small parcels.

J Hallgren (as User)
So. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 13:07:23
Judy- I had to go through every single link on the Projects page in order to figure it out. Not easy because there doesn't seem to be any explanation for rejection of sites. Maybe BOS minutes and Channel 18 would help, but I'm not willing to go through all of them. I agree that there should be a single place where the information on vetting/reasoning can be found.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 13:05:35
Debbie -As I have found out by emailing Shanna earlier - there is no place where they are all compiled.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/07/2020 - 12:17:52
They're on the Town website Home page Projects link.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 20:32:14
Did I hear correctly at the meeting that 290+ town owned properties/land were vetted and rejected as possible sites for the COA??? I wonder if we, as tax payers are entitled to see that list?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 18:42:22
The Town has always owned the school buildings and property. Generally the same for every town. The school district leases the building and generally is responsible for its maintenance. When I worked for the Town, we maintained the grounds of all the schools. In Harwich, the district maintains the grounds, or the Town would issue a bill to them to do it in their absence.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 17:40:07
How about a petition for the BOS to investigate the cost to use secret balloting at the annual town meeting
Earl
Southbury, CT USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 12:09:44
Again, Why didn't we think of asking the Selectmen about buying some property back from the School District? They will be asked now we are sure! It is a legitimate question that needs an answer. Can't wait.
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 08:34:31
Adding to my previous post, if I'm reading the GIS slide correctly, the treed area abutting Stepping Stones is 75,131 square feet. The total area of the property is 31.749 acres.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 08:01:37
Assessor data has Town of Chatham owning the property. There's two soccer fields, one lacrosse field, one softball field and one baseball field (next to the tennis courts. There's also an area of trees between the bike path and Stepping Stones.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 07:51:27
The question about using school property was turned down because someone said it belonged to Monomoy School District. Who actually owns that land? I'll bet it belongs to the Town of Chatham unless a legal transfer to Monomoy happened.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/06/2020 - 07:28:53
Richard - for starters if your dad had been here he would never have gone along with a Special Town Meeting held over the holiday season. I also firmly believe ballot voting should have been the way to go. Huge shoutout to Bill Litchfield for putting Ms Davis and Mr Messina in their rightful places as they tried unsuccessfully to disrupt and take over the meeting. That alone was worth the price of admission and it was way past time those two were put in their place. So many folks talked about that afterwards - just outstanding.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 17:25:09
I am reluctant to tout the wireless voting that we have adopted in Eastham, ( We tend to resent people from "away" telling us what to do ) but I will say I think it allows for folks to vote their conscience and not be intimidated by their neighbors. It is not cheap, but neither is a Town Meeting done at its' best, where votes are taken by secret/ private ballot.
Wonder how Dave Ryder, a Chatham Selectman for 15 years, would have dealt with this issue.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 16:37:14
The problems Jared said said at the meeting of the current COA are lack of parking and topography. The same issues exist with 1610. Bob Ryder - as far as the ballot vote - that was something wasn't it? The biggest show of washashores I've seen in years - all gathered in one place to do one thing - continue to ruin our town.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 16:10:53
Looks like we get to drag it out until May. I heard several people say that we should at least conduct the feasibility study. But if you listened to Elaine's points, the site doesn't even meet the minimum size requirement. Not to mention the host of other problems.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 14:03:34
JudyP, I was there and voted for the secret ballot while being surrounded by hordes of people with minimal knowledge about what Chatham once was. When the main vote came, I watched many heads swiveling around to see how their neighbors had voted. Reminiscent of Britain's Parliamentary procedures?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 12:12:52
We were a little amazed when the question about buying some school land back for a COA came up. It was a "Why didn't we think of that" moment. All of the time and energy we all have put into this may been avoided if someone had asked that question!!
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:49:56
228 people voted against free land in the dead of winter. Had it required a 2/3 vote it would have been defeated. And h ad it not been "free", that number would have probably been much higher and defeated by a wider margin. We did not have the benefit of seeing the "Letter of Intent" before the vote- still being drafted by attorneys-to know what conditions have been placed on it by the seller. There's no reason that couldn't have been accomplished in time for the meeting to know what Town Meeting actually approved. No amount of time, money or design work can remedy the inherent problems of the size, shape, topography, or location of this site.
Elaine
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:40:21
We asked for a ballot vote at the meeting and the majority ruled against it.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:36:48
Wonder what the vote would have been if in ballot form...
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/05/2020 - 11:15:55
"Candy,popcorn,lollipops all free today"

Do we remember what happened next. Quote s from Chitty Chity Bang Bang for those under 50.

Their is always a catch, nothing is free.

Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 20:53:37
Doubtful it would have passed. Kind of like politics -"It's free so let's take it!". Not educated enough on the topic to realize there are some pretty hefty costs associated with it. But it's free so it's a good deal.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 19:49:15
Wonder what the vote would have been if the property had not been offered as a gift.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 18:54:36
Voters didn't show Bruce. That was the problem. Interestingly enough more showed up today than at regular town meeting. The age groups of 40-60 were clearing lacking in attendance.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 17:00:49
And even though it now required only a simple majority, it got at least 64%+ so while a 2/3 for purchase wasn't reached, it certainly was close to it and showed that it's apparently got more support than many believed it would.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:55:14
We keep hearing that everyone is fed up with BOS and government's deceitful ways and how bad of an idea it is , etc etc and yet they voted overwhelmingly to approve. 409 to 228 is no contest, not even remotely close, so realistically, i don't know what you can hope for in May.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:47:08
Richard - it was surprising that many showed. Many were bused in compliments of the COA. Nonetheless it was an outstanding turnout. People had very strong opinions. The interesting facts are that the problems with the land can't be fixed and we get another chance to vote in May.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:42:04
Does the adage "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" apply here? Good news, IMHO, is that there were over 600 people who showed up to vote.
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 16:23:53
it passed 409-228
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 15:27:34
Regardless of current owner and gift, it's still an unsuitable site. I'm still voting "no"-
Amy
USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 09:39:22
Jared, my subconscious came to the same overall conclusion that you described. Still a vociferous "NO" vote from me.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 09:29:09
Lets take 1610 Main off the table for a second. The real question revolves around the Town not being able to finish the projects it has going on and that really bothers us. On top of that, work on the trap Dock has begun. How is that going to go?
Truth is, voters have lost faith in the Towns ability to finish capital projects. Can we really begin another? We leave the answer up to you, the voters!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 09:11:09
I'm surprised the COA with all their whining and lying about the size palace they need is settling for this when other options exist. They have done themselves no favors and more folks have turned against them because of their deceitful ways. This will end up being an empty building in five to ten years when their current "clients" are no longer with us. My age group and younger are more than disgusted with these folks and their levels of deception. You have to love the LTE in the Chronicle this week from our resident troublemaker in Florida calling out everyone that is against this. Apparently he can't absorb the facts proving this land isn't suitable. Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black from a miserable man. Please go vote NO today. This is not over.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/04/2020 - 08:47:35
This "gift" to the Town smells completely calculated. I think Dollar Bill felt there might be enough opposition to defeat it, so why not kill that opposition with kindness. Like Judy and others have said, I think the location is crappy and the only reason we are facing this as a potential site, is that the horse's ass who bought it can't do anything with it and wants to get out from underneath it. He had no problem initially trying to screw the taxpayers by offloading this land for more than three times its assessed value. If you believe this is an act of Christmas cheer in honor of his mother and father blah blah blah, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 22:23:19
Debbie and Judy, I totally agree with both of you! I am sure that all businesses will suffer or close during the extended construction projects in W. Chatham, if they ever get under way or completed. I plan to use Old Queen Anne Rd more than ever, and the Orleans road to get around the mess. Past behavior of people in charge of Town projects is the best predictor of future behavior. Vote NO tomorrow and vote NO at the May Town Meeting......I will!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 19:07:19
Totally agree with you Debbie. We can still try to vote it down. As has been discussed on here there are other viable options that would work better.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 14:15:17
Living in the Old Village, I'm really trying hard to picture what it would be like to go there from June to September. Thinking about returning to my end of town from the COA and getting stuck in traffic backed up to the Cornfield is enough to dissuade me from ever wanting to go there. Many of our elders live to the East and they'll be faced with the same predicament. I'm very disappointed that this isn't a concern.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 14:04:14
Judy: Maybe because I'm using logic and common sense instead of an obvious hatred for these projects? You really need to look at this objectively as I am doing, and not objectionably.
J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 13:43:19
John - No one agrees with you on this subject as you have found out on here. Try as you may - but we don't agree. The problems still remain.
Judy P. <judylpat@rcn.com>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 12:54:52
Front dropoff: NOT needed/necessary due to close proximity of rear entrance. NOT an issue except for those looking for any excuse to be against it. An auxiliary front entrance for walk-ups could be easily accomplished via the planned front exit doors on second floor.
Roundabouts: Another NON issue. If true, which it's NOT, then ANY business or building between G Ryder and Barn Hill will be inaccessible to seniors, including OSJL, Oppenheim Medical, USPS, Larry's PX, etc. Roundabouts will make it easier to access any of these. And the improperly designed 'rotary' downtown has never deterred anyone from going there.

J. Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 12:45:57
The issue still remains that it is an unsatisfactory piece of land. There is not enough parking and none will be secured from the abutters. There still have been no figures given as to the cost of the fill needed and what the retaining walls are going to cost. There still remains the issue of zoning needing to be changed. There still remains the issue of the conservation commission giving approvals for the massive amount of trees to be cut down. There still remains the issue that there will be no drop off in the front of the building . The seniors are still going to have to negotiate between two rotaries. This parcel Is just not suitable - and that's what we've said all along. Still go and VOTE NO. If it passes tomorrow we can have one more shot at town meeting in May to defeat it. This is dirty politics at its best .
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 11:00:27
Mr Marsh donating his land presents us with the very definition of the word "Conundrum" Since the vote only requires a simple majority not a 2/3s vote, it is likely to pass in spite of the problems there. What is a voter to do?
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 10:16:45
What a crock.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 10:15:20
Marsh Offers To Donate Senior Center Land

https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5501/news_shorts/5362/Marsh-Offers-To-Donate-Senior-Center-Land.htm

Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 09:44:11
Here is some more. Go back to the part that ends, Its just such a shame.
Now Dr Bob may not have said what we have put down, but his creditability, surely, on this subject, is shot in this town. The weekly updates on the Pier have all gone away, "whats going on there" we hear people say. There is some small hope in the group 365, it may just help keep some hopes alive. Why hire so many Dept Heads from away? Whats wrong with the locals is what we all say. Now on channel 18 the COA looks brand new but on the mailer they sent us it looks like the old ladys shoe!
There is a little more but its late and we need some sleep. Hope you like it!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/03/2020 - 00:23:14
Oh please add the rest.....you were SO spot-on about the Town Debacles!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 19:52:45
To tell the truth there was a lot more to the poem but we thought we were running out of room. Can up the rest tomorrow if anyone cares to see it.
And Yes, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!

Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 19:46:49
Happy New Year Richard! I hope folks are listening and pay attention. This is a poor choice for a COA and the town manager and others have proved themselves more than incompetent to handle the current projects in town - let alone use this unsatisfactory piece of land and try to concert it into a sub par COA. Alice blamed the gas company yet the fault lies with Mr Temple who should have been there with a ruler and figured out those pipes weren't placed deep enough. . These town employees are grossly overpaid for their subpar job performances. I don't think they realize how fortunate they are to still be employed. They wouldn't be on my watch - or would they be paid the salaries they are. It is disgusting and once again - it's time to take our town back. Enough is enough.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 17:55:55
Great job Alice! I was wondering if anyone currently knew how to actually rhyme anything! My favorite poem is by Robert Frost, who was formerly the Poet Laureate of this country. It was "Departmental" I want Pat to have it read at my funeral. Has to do with ants dealing with their recently departed. "the word goes out in formic, death has come to Jerry McCormick" etc
Having said that, I hope you all will go and speak your mind at the Special Town Meeting, and be happy that you still have the chance to speak.
My first Chatham Town Meeting was when I was 15. They bought a Huber Maintainer, which I now have parts from for my own machine.
Happy New Year everyone!
Richard R.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 17:32:58
Outstanding!!! So true.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 16:57:18
Love the tune and and thinking
Josie <teacher233@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 15:23:38
Town Meeting is coming and all over town, every ones smiles have been turned upside down. Some people are saying it's such a shame, that the airport would take their land by eminent domain. Dr Bob was heard saying softly, "If it was up to me, I'd push that darn fish pier right into the sea" The guy running the dump could use a butt kicking, he stopped the good folks from havin fun picken. And on top of that, no more paint from the shed, Whats wrong with that, whats wrong with his head? The fishermen say it wound be ever so nest if the Feds would declare Seals to be the other red meat! The Gas company engineers cant read the Rt 28 plans, they wont lay new pipe, they just don't give a dam. There is still more to come,people fighting over 1610 Main, People are angry, its just such a shame. From Forest Beach to the lighthouse we hear these words spoken, "Whats wrong with our town, our Governments broken!"
Alice <capecodalice@yahoo.com>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 12:46:19
It's a gorgeous day. Folks should go walk it. Start on Capt Harding's land and follow it down back. You can see where trees have most likely been illegally cut on that parcel and the stack of firewood sitting there. Then you can look at the steep drop next to it. It's ridiculous. I walked it several times the past few days. Interesting what goes on there when no one pays attention.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 12:18:35
Common sense says that the West Chatham location is not suitable. Do we really need to spend $130K to be told that.
Bruno
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/02/2020 - 09:56:43
Here's hoping reason and good will prevail in 2020.
Bruce
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 01/01/2020 - 08:26:20
Better than a dull line

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