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All: As I start to think towards retirement sometime in the next year or two, I'd like to ask the Chat M Room family the following question. Specifically, when one lives in Chatham year round, is it recommended or even necessary to "bug out" to a warmer climate for the months of January - April? I love the Cape in the winter, yet, I've heard different answers to this query. What do you all think? Any thoughts or guidance appreciated as always.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 09/20/2021 - 16:37:14
Hey Jim, thanks for your service! I bet you could tell some stories. Hey folks, if anyone wants or needs a fancy Ethan Allan mahogany dining room table with 10 chairs, please send me a note. We no longer need it and the kids don't have big places. It's very well made and looks like something you'd see on Shore Road. I'll pretty much give it away or take it for a ship model or old decoy.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 09/18/2021 - 11:34:44
Not fawning Chick. Just answering a question that Ned asked.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/18/2021 - 11:08:03
Who cares?!?! Not gonna fawn over them..
Chick <ccjunk 466 @gmsil.com>
USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 21:34:06
Jen and I got married on North Beach at Chet Robinson's camp while I was on leave. Two weeks later I went to Korea for a year; then spent the next three years off and on in Iraq. First four years of marriage I wasn't around. I probably owe her an eight million dollar wedding!! Maybe I can bonk them on their heads and take their place.....
JimP
USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 19:26:40
Chick et. al.: Don't tell anyone but it's really J Lo and Ben Affleck. ; ). Got to admit it's pretty over-the-top. All the best to those crazy kids. Julie and I got married in a Court House. Seems to be workings so far. Have a great weekend gang.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 19:18:42
Who cares?!?! Not gonna fawn over them..
Chick <ccjunk 466 @gmsil.com>
USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 15:50:30
Ned:

Sources tell me that it is the daughter of the CEO of Motorola who is getting married at CBI this weekend.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 15:01:33
Justin, we've been told it's the son of the CEO.
Sylvia and Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 13:24:21
Ned:

Sources tell me that it is the daughter of the CEO of Motorola who is getting married at CBI this weekend.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/17/2021 - 11:29:56
USPS is driving me crazy! Do they not deliver on Mondays or in the rain? No clue who my driver is? Anyone else having these problems?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/16/2021 - 09:15:35
Champlain named Chatham Cape Malabar When He first arrived in the area.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/16/2021 - 05:52:17
Did more searching and thinking about context in Thoreau's comments. Am now thinking he was referring to Monomoy as Malabar (bad bar).
John S
Gettysburg, USA - Wed 09/15/2021 - 21:44:25
There was a camp Malabar on Oyster river. Maybe an old Native American name for the area. There is also a Malabar Coast in South West India.
Bill P
USA - Wed 09/15/2021 - 20:28:04
Question: Don't recall from childhood days but read in Thoreau's book a line using Chatham and Malabar in same sentence. Which part of what we now know collectively as Chatham was considered Malabar? Thanks in aavance for the enlightenment; at 86, some memories are fogged.
John S.
GETTYSBURG, PA USA - Wed 09/15/2021 - 17:50:56
Anyone else try to use the Claflin Landing "Town Landing" recently? I wish the soon-to-be-married couple a great future, though.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 09/14/2021 - 09:10:06
Barbara: Many thanks for the response. While you're almost always 100% correct on most things (just like my wife), we understand that you may be wrong here. As many know, it's a Hollywood "A" lister. Should be a great event. Whomever it is we wish the Bride and Groom a hearty congratulations, much love together and the very best!
Ned and Julie Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Tue 09/14/2021 - 08:33:52
Hi Ned - many know who it is and it's not a celebrity. The parents have a house here. Many of us tend to ignore the hoopla and prefer to let them enjoy their day. I wish them the best as well.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 09/13/2021 - 18:25:44
Hi Ned - many know who it is and it's not a celebrity. The parents have a house here. Many of us tend to ignore the hoopla and prefer to let them enjoy their day. I wish them the best as well.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 09/13/2021 - 18:24:56
All: Hope that all goes well. Assuming that the Chat-M-Room brain trust knows all that goes on in our waterside metropolis, here's a query. According to some friends in town there's a wedding planned at Chatham Bars Inn this weekend that features: an enormous 2 story tent; an amazing king worthy menu; and entertainment by Bruno Mars (great singer and has a killer band). I understand that the cost of the nuptials is estimated somewhere north of $8M. Holy smokes, this sounds like a neat party (I'm assuming the Ryder brothers are certainly on the guest list ; ). In all seriousness, does anyone know who is getting married? Whomever it is, we wish them the very best and a tip of the hat for one heck of an event.
Ned and Julie Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands, TX USA - Mon 09/13/2021 - 17:52:04
Judy: Yes, I admit I was a tad irritated because between the two prior posts, I had given as simple and concise yet explanatory response that I could and it seemed that wasn't understood, so tried again in alternate text.

I just checked both log files again and it CLEARLY has those attempts tagged with a "CT" error code (which indicates a Country field error) and that the value used was "United States". It's happened only a couple of times before to others but not enough for me to try to revise code for it. It can happen via the browser autofilling it from stored contact info, such as from Google, when it detects a field with the Country label/tag.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 22:39:01
John,

(1) Sorry - got Ben's name in there when it should have been yours
(2) OK. Understand all.

(3) No worries. we're good. Didn't mean to upset you. Just asked a question I was curious about. I'll hold my water from here on out. Sorry about that....

JimP
USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 21:31:56
John - you sound rather frustrated and angry. What you said still does not work for Peter because he emailed me and said he's always used USA. Don't shoot the messenger. Also no need to go into great detail - a simple response concisely written would have sufficed.
JudyP
USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 21:20:29
Ok folks...I am really a bit puzzled as to the complex reaction to my posts that explained the VERY basic and simple rule that this site has regarding the Country field on the page used to add a post here!

Judy P: What part of this: "either not use the Country field or set it to USA." did you not understand? Because the Country field initially defaults to USA which is the most common value BUT if you put anything other than USA or blanks/empty there, then you can NOT have any State code value. Nothing complicated.

Jim P: What does 'Ben' have to do with this? And where did you get the idea that there's ANY connection with a VPN or TOR? Or that origin must be from USA?
I just simply cross check the values in the two data fields of State & Country and there must be some valid linkage, like a valid postal State code when Country is USA (by user entry or default). That's to prevent invalid states like MZ, ok?

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 20:23:25
Sweet. Thank you!!
JimP
USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 18:26:56
Jim, I am posting this using Tor with a Netherlands IP. If you see this Tor is not an issue.
Bill P
USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 15:08:05
Ben, interesting. So - hypothetically - were I to be using a VPN and running it through TOR with an origination of my traffic in, say...France, the spam filters would prevent my post from being accepted? Origination has to be CONUS?
JimP
USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 07:29:03
Thank you John. Please tell me what to tell my friend so he can post successfully again.
JudyP
WChatham , MA USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 07:28:31
Addendum to last post: A quick check of the PERL code shows that I have it set to default the Country to USA if it was blank and a valid State code was used -so- the options are to either: not use the Country field or set it to USA.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 01:25:59
JudyP: I looked through the buffer logs and saw the attempted posts that you referred to. The reason they failed is a simple one, and I thought I maybe had code to handle that but it's been years since I wrote it so not sure. Will look it up at some point soon.

Anyway, as part of my SPAM blocks, I cross check certain fields for values that are consistent/standard and one of those is that the Country field needs to be 'USA' when a valid State is used. Those entries had 'United States', which while technically valid, is NOT for this site at this time. You'll see that almost every post has it as USA so that became the standard.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/10/2021 - 01:18:41
Am posting for a friend. Nothing like deflecting blame to different departments.

Just went to Cumberland farms. Water is over the bottom of my doors at the head of the Oyster Pond. Called the Police to suggest they shut down the road. Was told it was a DPW problem! Watched small cars with water over roofs! Called Cory as he is the only Selectman that cares. He will try. Where is the Chief of Police and Tom Tempal. Tried to post this on Chat Room but as usual it would not accept it.

JudyP
WChatham , MA USA - Thu 09/09/2021 - 20:31:54
So I meant to say "our town is changing" Also I am just over 5 inches on my rain gauge and more on the way. This won't spell the drought but will help a lot.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/09/2021 - 20:23:44
And the old North Chatham Post Office is gone and I hear that Ben Goodspeed's house is next. Our is changing.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/09/2021 - 20:04:13
USPS is driving me crazy! Do they not deliver on Mondays or in the rain? No clue who my driver is? Anyone else having these problems?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/09/2021 - 18:15:31
So, they tore down Cobie Nicke's house today. Sad! A lot of good people lived in that house. Especially Cobie, a good man and a good friend!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/08/2021 - 19:44:19
Hey Folks,
Chatham Community Development Dept is looking for mid-century era photos of
Eldredge Garage gas station (not the livery) and any other gas staions in town during that time period. Please email me directly with info thanks !
Shareen

Shareen <sdavis@chatham-ma.gov>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 09/08/2021 - 11:02:25
Hey Judith Winters
If your out there, some where, a very Happy Rosh Hashanah to you and your family.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 09/06/2021 - 21:22:52
John, that's absolutely the case. Everyone is happy to admit we have a problem, but when it comes time to do something about it, there's a big "not in my backyard" sentiment.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/06/2021 - 12:05:33
John, I am not here year round, but I would be willing to work on solving this serious problem.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/03/2021 - 18:25:31
Does it feel to anyone else that Chatham is good at talking about addressing the housing crisis, but actually unwilling to do anything about it? Other Cape communities have projects being built right now. It seems that Chatham is losing homes that were once year-round rentals each year which further reduces the housing inventory. We appear to be going backward.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/03/2021 - 11:29:01
Capt. Bob, thank you for the heads up about the Marine Electric display. I briefly read about it a few years ago while reading about other marine disasters. In fact I just pulled up a documentary earlier in the week about the sinking of the ME. The crew paid for the laziness of the company and oversight of the regulatory inspectors. Will have to get down to CMMC to check it out.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/03/2021 - 11:22:43
Ben, Bev is the only one left, as far as I know. She is at the Victorian, a part of Liberty Commons in Chathamport (now North Chatham?). Larry's is about four times its original size, and remains a very popular restaurant.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 09/03/2021 - 08:30:45
Does Larry's PX still have a connection to the Wormwood family? I worked my first summer job next door at Bearses when Larry and family opened Larrys PX in 1954. They were such a great family - Bev was starting to date Ron and Donald was always the guy willing to help anyone. Larry was a great guy who influenced my future life choices over a burger and frappe. Glad to hear the restaurant is still doing well.
ben h
USA - Thu 09/02/2021 - 21:52:32
FYI - Via Facebook, was alerted to fact that Pisces restaurant is now for sale. Found listing at https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2653-Main-St-South-Chatham-MA-02659/87729204_zpid/ for $1.2M compared to last sale in 2001 for $277K.
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham , MA USA - Thu 09/02/2021 - 11:44:54
Cool. Will stop by for sure. Many thanks Richard.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/02/2021 - 10:16:05
Ned, a very compelling exhibit regarding the sinking of the SS MARINE ELECTRIC in a winter storm in the early 1980's is one story that is new this year at the Chatham Marconi Maritime Center. This year is also the centennial of the restructuring of RCA's Chatham Radio to a focus on communications with ships. Open today and tomorrow from 10am to 4pm.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/02/2021 - 07:34:50
Great lunch the other day at Larry's PX folks. They consistently do a super job. John, good to see that you still look 39. We caught some nice Stripers today off North Beach. The drop in pressure made the fish super active. Richard, is anything going on tomorrow at the Marconi Museum (e.g., new exhibits, presentations, etc.)? It's going to be a rainy day and we were looking for something cool to do. Any Museum updates appreciated.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 09/01/2021 - 22:53:54
Anyone need any beach plums? There are plenty here in Eastham.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/31/2021 - 17:34:42
Ned, I will try and stop by but only to chat as noon isn't compatible with my eating schedule.
Saw that you're now on SRAC, right?

J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 08/31/2021 - 09:11:36
Folks: Meeting at Larry's PX at high noon. Got a few folks so far. Look for me. I'm about 6'1", brown hair and usually smiling. John H. hope to see you there man. You are the Godfather after all.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/30/2021 - 17:15:57
Folks: Hope that all goes well. Are any of you up for meeting for lunch at Larry's PX or Mom and Pops tomorrow or Tuesday at 12 Noon? I'm buying. If might be fun and the historical summer of 2021 is quickly slipping away. Let us know which day works and some of us can meet up and share a meal and some Chatham fellowship.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/29/2021 - 20:45:05
Ben, I am nowhere near the oldest player in the oldest division of Cape Cod Senior Softball. And some that are older are very good even now.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/27/2021 - 18:58:49
When I last saw John Whelan, he had just come from mowing and readying the field in Harwich so he could play with his team in a game. Does that make him the oldest "Coot" or Gull still playing? Hope this finds you well and still running those bases John.
ben h
USA - Fri 08/27/2021 - 14:50:00
I was a Coot, and Charlie Shepard was my coach. He always called me lefty
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/26/2021 - 20:59:14
I think Don Jamison could have been a Sanddab abd Dick Cahoon a coot. Old age is a problem for my memory.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/26/2021 - 13:03:52
The 4 original Little League teams were the Stripers, Coots, Sandabs and Gulls. I was a Gull with Johnny Pratt, Ron Meservey, my brother Chuck, Johnny Caton, Peter Small, Johnny C. Summers, Richard Ryder and Charlie Cardoza and others I can't remember. Our coach was Dick Silva and we won that year. The Stripers had Bill Muldowny, Jerry Phillips and Rob McNeice. The Sandabs had Eddie Johnson, Duke Courtnell Eddie Doane [6 feet tall], Johnny B. Summers and John Rodricks. The Coots had Gordon Baker and Bill Shipley and I can not remember who else. Sam Cobb was a big supporter and we had lots of fun.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/26/2021 - 13:01:49
Boy Scout Pledge:

"On my honor, I will do my best, to help the Girl Scouts get undressed".
Never happened.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/25/2021 - 17:19:01
The Mariner Scouts were a very active group which did meet downstairs at the scout hall. We were under the able guidance of Hilda Traina. When we had a special awards ceremony it was held at the Wayside Inn. Our uniforms were royal blue, two piece middy style with a neckerchief. Perhaps part of the fascination with Mariners was having the Sea Scouts close by!
Nancy Ryder Traina
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/24/2021 - 10:07:02
Even at the time that I was in the Boy Scouts, the scout hall was in worn shape. Indoor plumbing didn't work, lighting was poor, and the pilot light frequently went out in the winter. It never bothered us. It was our place and we made the most of it.

We frequently stayed up at the old camp site on Goose Pond, hiked to Nickerson, and took trips to Maine, New Hampshire etc. Tom Butkowski and Ivan Kendrick were our primary Scout leaders and sacrificed a lot of their own personal time to see that Troop 71 continued on. In addition, Dave and Brenda Thomson, Diane Kendrick, Lance Murphy, and Dick Kelsey also spent considerable time giving to Troop 71 in whatever ways they could help.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/24/2021 - 07:49:59
There was also a Chatham Sea Scout group that met at the Scout Hall, at least for a few years. I believe that Des Eldredge was the leader. The Orleans Sea Scouts were well organized and you could often spot them rowing their Monomoy skiff in Pleasant Bay.
JJ
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/23/2021 - 20:22:25
There were a lot of adult men who were supportive of us boys either in the Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts or Explorers. They imparted their wisdom at our meetings in the Doc Keene Scout hall, or on site when we went camping or on a hike. Never any inappropriate moves that I was aware of.
It is nice to see that the Scout Hall has been preserved and I am told, has functional bathrooms. Not for us back then.
The Mariners met downstairs I think. Perhaps Nancy Ryder Petrus or another ChatMRoom woman can fill us in on what the Mariners were up to.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 08/23/2021 - 17:55:35
Amongst a bunch of old photos I found a picture of the Stripers with the annotation "1952 Champs". On the back, in a kid's penmanship (mine), the players are noted as Me, Jerry Phillips, Jimmie Howes, Allen Larson, Robbie McNiece, Johnny Metters, Jimmie ??, and Bobby Ryder. Absent-Billy Milldowny and Steve Semore. Also in the photo- Coach Mr. Bassett.
Ron Baker <robar@totacc.com>
Alamogordo, NM USA - Mon 08/23/2021 - 17:54:57
Hmmm, was it the Coots?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/23/2021 - 13:52:28
JJ great post ... the next year John Whelan's uncle, Charlie Shepherd, started the PONY league with John and others who had passed the little league age limit. What a great guy Charlie was - he'd work a full day and then cart us around in his truck with all the equipment. I can remember John, brother Chuck, Rudy Ulrich, Eddie Doane, Bill Muldowney, Carl Olson but we owed everything to Charlie and his dedication to Chatham kids and baseball. I've always thought Chatham should honor Charlie in some small way just like Bob McNeece.
ben h
USA - Sun 08/22/2021 - 20:03:40
I think one other was the SandDabs.
Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/22/2021 - 17:29:22
Sometime around 1950 Chairman of Selectmen Bob McNeece was instrumental in starting Chatham Little League baseball. Several Chat-M-Room contributors, including (I believe) John Whelan, Bob Ryder, Dick Ryder and Barry Fulcher were on one of the 4 original teams. Bob McNeece's son Robbie also played. Two of the four teams were named Gulls and Stripers. I don't remember the other two, but perhaps someone else does. They played on the diamond built for them behind the Main Street school building. The outfield's seemly reachable snow fence was always the batters' target.
JJ
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/22/2021 - 12:34:32
Richard, anything about Capt. Dave Ryder should be on this site. He was a great Chathamite and one of my heroes growing up in this town. Miss him a lot!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/21/2021 - 19:50:33
Not sure if I am allowed on this site again, but here goes.
Tomorrow 22 August will be the anniversary of Captain David Folger Ryder's birth, in Chatham. I think of him often, especially when securing the CG36500 in anticipation of a weather event.

Richard R. <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/21/2021 - 17:29:12
Happy birthday Jean, hope to see Gordon out on the course this afternoon.
He played golf with us Tuesday night, still going strong.

Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/20/2021 - 08:09:25
Happy Birthday Jean! Many more.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/19/2021 - 22:25:49
Sending Happy Birthday wishes to Jean Pratt. She and her husband Gordon sometimes lurk on here so she might see this. Gordon has always been everything I've wanted to be ever since he was the star pitcher for the town team and then when he had all those beautiful women working for him at the bank. Now as we are maturing, I understand he still plays golf at CBI. Here's a toast from afar to Jean and Gordon.
ben h
USA - Thu 08/19/2021 - 20:19:04
Recently read a really good page turner by Matthew Griffin, Tales of Old Harbor. His grandfather was Allie Griffin, father of Virginia Griffin Forgeron who is a CHS '53 classmate. Reading this book led to a re-read of Old Harbor Station by Richard G. Ryder, brother of another CHS '53 classmate, Nancy Ryder Petrus. The latter book was autographed by Richard and given by my mother to my step-father, Charlie Weston, Christmas 1990. I also have a couple of other topical books which have been in the family for quite awhile, a delightful Cape Cod by Henry David Thoreau with intro by Henry Beston, 1951 (just started re-reading this one) and Cape Cod by Henry C. Kittredge, 1968 (which I'll again read later on). Admittedly, some nostalgic reading by this Chatham native from afar.
John S.
GETTYSBURG, PA USA - Thu 08/19/2021 - 13:43:19
Ned you flat "nailed it". Hope you started something good. I really like your point about discussion topics. In the past, in this room, volatile issues (for example local politics) have almost always lead to people taking sides and personal attacks. The fun and interesting topics you mentioned bring back memories and get everyone to participate. Many thanks for your observation and suggestion .. count me in. I miss hearing from Richard Ryder hope he's back on board soon.
ben h
USA - Wed 08/18/2021 - 20:10:45
All: One thought for all of our consideration. I think that we can all agree that it would be cool if there was a broader base of participation in the Chat M Room. Who knows it might even make us all a bit more educated on Cape Cod and ... kinder. ; ). By way of example, whenever I post one of my wacky posts seeking guidance on secret walking trails, classic cars, birding, clamming locations or planting apple trees I always get kind and expert side advice from folks I've never even heard of. There are some really neat "Lurkers" out there and I think that we all need to be more encouraging to one other and encourage them to join in the conversation. Back in the Carl and Ben Nickerson days, we all seemed a bit more positive. Some of our Chat M Room friends make a good case that times have changed and the media is more nasty. That's certainly true and beyond debate. However, we're different. We're Cape Cod people - and I know (from traveling the globe a bit) that we're we're better than most. Just one wash-ashore's two cents. I'm certainly no expert on human relations, however, I enjoy this site and all you folks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/18/2021 - 18:59:11
Bob R: I am fine and appreciate the concern! I was just letting the kids on my playground work out some minor squabbling themselves, ok? There wasn't anything that I thought was really too far out of line to warrant any intervention.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Wed 08/18/2021 - 17:00:58
Quite curious why John H. has been silent, Hope that he is well.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/18/2021 - 16:44:01
Hey Bob R this room changed because all of social media changed. In the early days we were all friends reminiscing together about everything from Chatham baseball to the candy sold at the movie theater. Carl would run a quiz just to keep us involved. We even had ChatMRoom get togethers where old friends reunited. Then two things happened - 1. a lot of the originals died 2. social media got ugly not just this room all of it as politicians began to tweet and attack others. I applaud you and Ned for remembering and trying to restore the old days but I am afraid the world has changed, not just chatham. People attack and insult one another routinely because they can hide behind a user name on a computer. Good luck on bringing back the old comraderie and a special thank you to John Hallgren for keeping us going through some rough seas.
ben h
USA - Mon 08/16/2021 - 22:52:34
During my senior year of high school I was enrolled in an internship program where the students picked something that interested them and the school tried to arrange the internship. I chose the Coast Guard. The OInC was about to be transferred and didn't want to take on two interns, but his XPO said he'd like to take a jab at it. We got the opportunity and came into station life like two new recruits might. Jason Holm drew a training syllabus so that we learned military chain of command, ranks, communications, area of responsibility, Coast Guard assets etc.

We worked with the Deck Dept on keeping the boats up and with Engineering dept in the engine rooms. I was able to nail it down to two block periods so that left school at 1045 and spent the remainder of the day with the Coast Guard.

Jason went on to round out his career taking on command of several other stations and ultimately retiring a Senior Chief Boatswain's Mate and now serves as our Deputy Harbormaster. He's one of the most solid, honest people I've ever known and we have remained friends ever since. I'm grateful he took a chance on training a couple of local kids, when he didn't have to.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/16/2021 - 20:04:35
Bob: Well said Brother. With all due respect to the Chat M Room family, several folks have noted that tone of our fellowship has gotten a bit acrimonious of late. As the late great crooner Bing Crosby often said "Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch onto the affirmative." Don't mean to be preachy guys. On another topic, how about those Great White Sharks. According to Sharktivity, 35 sharks spotted on the lower Cape over the last 7 days! Yikes.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/16/2021 - 11:05:22
Just went back 20 years to remember how great the chat-m room was. Other than occasional mentions of loss of life of friends and neighbors, there was nary a negative word.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/16/2021 - 06:35:34
Larry's PX closed for a few days due to staff member testing positive for COVID. Marion's Pie Shop closed thIs afternoon no explanation . This is getting out of control again - that and the fact there is NO HELP. I can't believe the folks sitting on their butts doing nothing because they think they're too good to work for under $20/hr. My first "real" job (beside a paper route at 10 years old)! was when I was 16 and worked part time at Chatham Trust. The president's secretary mentored me. I worked in all different departments there throughout the school year and vacations and I loved that job. I think my favorite job there was being a teller and meeting all the summer folks.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 08/15/2021 - 17:05:25
Quiz: list all the places you worked in Chatham and who was your favorite mentor in those high school and college years? Mine are: The Children's Shop, The Swinging Basket, Mark, Fore & Strike, Queen Anne Inn, and Colonial Candle (in the old First National market brick building). I loved Polly Zemblenski and her Mom Ann MCFate!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/15/2021 - 16:51:19
My best job and favorite mentor was Dick Kelsey. I first worked with him mowing his lawn (I remember stopping the lawn and watching the first live pictures from Mars at his house when Viking 1 landed.)

Then I graduated to being in charge of the darkroom and other things like passport photos. Brenda Thomson and Dick were the best mentors i could have had.

My favorite memories are working the Creative Arts Festival -- riding my bike down there right about this time of year early in the morning to setup with Dick and then spending the entire weekend selling airviews, portrait sessions, custom air jobs. So much fun.

Brenda and Dick at the festival in 1979:
https://serenity.jjd.com/Images/kelsey-creative-arts-festival.jpg

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 08/15/2021 - 11:33:30
Very sad to read that Dan Marini had died. Dan was Chatham's pharmacist for many years and a great guy.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/15/2021 - 10:21:54
Quiz: list all the places you worked in Chatham and who was your favorite mentor in those high school and college years? Mine are: The Children's Shop, The Swinging Basket, Mark, Fore & Strike, Queen Anne Inn, and Colonial Candle (in the old First National market brick building). I loved Polly Zemblenski and her Mom Ann MCFate!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/15/2021 - 09:50:25
Good morning all:

Jim P. Wished for you to know that I caught the invite for the beer. I could get into that some evening.

Have to understand I just got hit with one of those Gibb's grenades. Have to watch out for those things when they start telling you how and what you can write

Kind of reminds me of the character Melvin Udall in "As good as it gets". We're all stocked up on crazy here, go sell it somewhere else

Alan Wirsul
Harwich, USA - Sun 08/15/2021 - 08:36:18
Ben
For me it's water over the dam. If you are ok.I'm ok. Elaine leave it to to you to poor gasoline on the fire.

AlanWirsul
Harwich, USA - Sat 08/14/2021 - 23:30:39
Ben H: You're a far better man (woman) than I'd be under the circumstances. Not sure that was an olive branch. Alan Wirsul: Your response speaks for itself: "You don't even know what your talking about....Why don't you go back to your hospital bed and take a nap with a Mellaril". Who says that to another person? And even worse,I assume to someone you don't even know, and on a public site no less? There's absolutely NO discussion or public discourse on any subject where that type of personal attack is EVER appropriate or warranted. You said you don't have time to "proofread". As Barry appropriately suggested, I urge you to take the time in the future to do so before you hit the send button.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Sat 08/14/2021 - 22:14:26
Or.......all us old guys can fight it out and then crawl down to the Squire for drinks!! Works for me!! Nothing better than some fisticuffs and then a few beers!

What say you all..??

and don't tell me NONE of you vets haven't done that very damned thing in your younger days!!! Just some of us refuse to grow up.

Glad it's all working out. As Forest Gump said: "I'm sorry I started a fight at your black panther party."

JimP
USA - Sat 08/14/2021 - 22:11:20
Alan If that's an olive branch, I'll gladly take it. I honestly bear you no ill will and think you're an interesting guy. Like Barry, I sometimes have difficulty following or understanding what you post but that doesn't mean I'm not listening. Hope this means we're OK to continue in here together without offending one another. Thanks to Nancy for pointing out it's always better to take the high road.
ben h
USA - Sat 08/14/2021 - 19:42:25
Ben
Bizarre and a total twist on who's attacking who. Have an epiphany on yester year.

AlanWirsul
USA - Sat 08/14/2021 - 17:08:25
Alan why do you find a need to personally attack anyone who questions your raving diatribes in this room most of which have nothing to do with Chatham? I won't be drawn into a back and forth with you, it accomplishes nothing and is boring to the rest of the Chat-M-Room. No need to answer this, will only prolong a pointless discussion. Best wishes to you.
ben h
USA - Sat 08/14/2021 - 13:10:19
Ben H
First,you don't even know what your talking about. Lt. Looney was involved in an incident 5 years afterwards. I have no idea about his family background and it's great what his widow and his daughter have done done. No one is requesting anyone's pity, certainly not yours. Why don't you go back to your hospital bed and take a nap with a Mellaril

Alan Wirsul
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 08/13/2021 - 22:46:44
Barry here's another perspective for you - shot down on that same helicopter was LT Brendan Looney, navy SEAL. Instead of the trials and tribulations suffered by widow and daughter for 15 years, Amy Looney together with Brendan's naval academy roommate's widow, Ryan Manion, established the Travis Manion foundation which has since grown to be a major influence in helping military families in need. Same war same helicopter - one widow doing amazing things, another having a whining sycophant using this room to ask for pity by trying to define his version of heroes. Don't try to understand the guy - he only wants to incite a response. Certainly not very Chatham related
ben h
USA - Fri 08/13/2021 - 21:56:25
Hey Berry
Yes I am not proof reading, no time.
Perhaps when you awake tomorrow , you might come to find that Afganistan will have fallen. Perhaps you might think of my student and her father and how she, her mother, and the rest of her family has had to live the past 15 years when that chinook was downed. No matter how you look at it, Afganistan will become a catastrophic loss to the solders who went there. They were not out having a good time with the Kingston boys, that's for sure. Some faced a hell during all these 20 years we were there.
Maybe some of you folks know some from Chatham who will be one of those 3000 who will be deployed on a rescue mission and who will certainly be in harms way! Gods speed to all of them!

Alan Wirsul
Harwich, MA USA - Fri 08/13/2021 - 00:49:45
Ben H, thanks for asking - the "conch twins" are kicking butt here in Texas. Can you believe they are starting to drive...??? They are doing really well. Two more years of high school and they are out on their own.

Little girl is wanting to go to the Air Force Academy. She is torn between wanting to be a fighter pilot or a Doctor. She is a savage!! We got her one of the few female F-22 Raptor pilots as a mentor so she's covered in that capacity. Maybe she needs to speak with you at some point for some advice?

Little man hasn't yet figured it out but he's doing well, is a great kid, and getting good grades. That's about all we can ask. We're blessed.

I'm back working for Uncle Sam and most of my work these days is comprised of dealing with the border crisis; the Covid response; and threats to the homeland. One of my guys spends all day dealing with the Afghan Special Immigrant Visa cats. THAT....is a truly sad situation. I sincerely hope we don't see another headline moment of helicopters taking off from the embassy roof ala 1972.

You keeping things in the Goat locker shipshape?

JimP
USA - Thu 08/12/2021 - 18:38:14
Folks: Quick favor request. We just bought some apple trees (Honey Crisps and Macintosh) to plant up off Cedar Street in 2 weeks. If anyone in the Chat M Room family has any best practice guidance they can share, will you send me an email? I would like to speak with you briefly. Many thanks and hope that all goes well with you all.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/12/2021 - 17:19:14
Did not mean the double post and this is tough to do off ipad
Alan wirsul
USA - Thu 08/12/2021 - 12:32:23
Alan; I wish you would have someone proofread your posts, sometimes it is hard to follow your thoughts.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@comcast .net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/12/2021 - 11:32:00
I admire anyone who served and thanks for those efforts and when I am teaching I go all out when subject like to be certain that students know what what some of these folks have given up in their lives. it sometimes strikes at home, in the past,currently and in the future. Some in Chatham way not wish to know, butI will a few examples anyway. Again these are the real hero's!

One of my teaching colleagues is a relative of Marine Sgt John Basilone, a Medal of Honor hero from Somerville, NJ. He fought at Henderson Field in Guadalcanal where many did not come out alive. After having earned the distinction of being a Medal of Honor receiptent and coming home, Sgt Basilone went back to fight and was KIA during the first day at Iowa Jima. He was awarded the Navy Cross posthumously for his extraordinary contribution there.

Another student of mine, now in the 11th grade, father was a part of Operation RedWing and a member of Navy Seal Team 10. There was helicopter brought in to save a the lone solder, Marcus Latrell. One member of a 4 man scout team in Afghanistan. Thad helicopter was shot down the crew and the Seal Team all died. This incident was so significant to the US Army, that a movie was made-the "The Lone Survivor"

These are the types of men I remember

Alan Wirsul
Hatwich, USA - Thu 08/12/2021 - 09:49:55
I admire anyone who served and thanks for those efforts and when I am teaching I go all out when subject like to be certain that students know what what some of these folks have given up in their lives and it strikes at home, in the past,currently and in the future. Some in Chatham way not wish to know, butI will a few examples anyway.

One of my teaching colleagues is a relative of Marine Sgt John Basilone, a Medal of Honor hero from Somerville, NJ. He fought at Henderson Field in Guadalcanal where many did not come out alive. After having earned the distinction of being a Medal of Honor receiptent and coming home, Sgt Basilone went back to fight and was KIA during the first day at Iowa Jima. He was awarded the Navy Cross posthumously for his extraordinary contribution there.

Another student of mine, now in the 11th grade, father was a part of Operation RedWing and a member of Navy Seal Team 10. Their was helicopter brought in to save a the lone solder, Marcus Latrell. One member of a 4 man scout team in Afghanistan. Thad helicopter was shot down the crew and the Seal Team all died. This incident was so significant to the US Army, that a movie was made-the "The Lone Survivor"

Alan wi
USA - Thu 08/12/2021 - 09:46:17
Thanks Jim. How about an update on the Conch twins?
ben h
USA - Wed 08/11/2021 - 20:23:29
Ben, Nancy - concur 100%. We ARE all in this together. Let's ALL try to act like it.
JimP
USA - Wed 08/11/2021 - 18:19:46
I only have this to say when it comes to vet discussion. My friend Mike C.,whom I spent most of the day today, was army and was a member of the 198 light infantry. For those that do not understand what this means, Mike was routinely out in the jungle on 14 day excursions and was on point nearly every day of these times. He was a solder's- solder being shot at every day by N. Vietnamese regulars as well as the Cong while on patrol. For Mike, it was kill or be killed during these times. Move the clock ahead 25 years later, Mike became a top customs official out of Logan during times of 911 facing The M Bulger crews as well as terrorists coming from the Middle East with their natural gas tankers into the Boston Harbor. He foiled many many enemy plans.

Enemy plans that no one hears about and when we did not have the tech. as we do today.
Mike,s life was on the line from the time was 17.5 until he retired a few years ago. This is my idea of a true hero and he seeks no glory for doing all this!
Alan Wirsul

Alan Wirsul
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 08/11/2021 - 17:57:32
Ben H. I could not agree more. When grown men act like little boys it is disturbing. We are all in this together. Let us not be divided.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/11/2021 - 10:18:12
Like and admire both you guys I also miss Jane and Big Dave I like to think they are up there with Chowdahman and Ralphie Nick saying let's get beyond this Both of you are causing stress for the rest of us who care about you and love Chatham. Just sayin
ben h
USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 20:51:32
Mr. Ryder: I do not appreciate your denigrating comment: "I served in Vietnam as a Navy Medical Service Officer, with some of the most incompetent US Army officers that have ever existed." My father served in the Army in WWII on the ground surrounded by Japanese (not on a ship) in New Guinea and Luzon when the bombs were dropped and was prepared for the invasion of Japan. I thought we were all in this together. Bad form.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 20:26:57
John, I'm sorry to hear about Dave Grant. He gave his all for the community and was truly of the old-school method.
JimP
USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 18:10:25
Richard, got some thin skin there Buddy...?? Maybe you shouldn't throw stones. Figured you were some kind of bed-pan orderly; maybe next time keep the snark to yourself and leave politics and personal attacks out of the Chat Room.

Study up on some of this covid stuff; think outside the box, and refresh yourself with what it means to be an American and not a bleating sheep dependent upon government. Like I said - try thinking. it's hard work, but I'm confident you are up to the challenge being a Vietnam Navy Medical Service Officer.

JimP
USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 18:08:10
Jim P:
I served in Vietnam as a Navy Medical Service Officer, with some of the most incompetent US Army officers that have ever existed. Your denigrating response to me is not appreciated.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 18:01:58
Forecast for the end of this week is for a high temperature of 92, at least in Eastham . Will this be a new high for Hyannis, where the temps are reported in the Cape Cod Times ?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 17:25:59
He was such a nice man. Always had a smile and a good word for everyone. He'd been quite sick for a while I believe.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 17:07:28
From the Chatham Police Department Facebook Page (I worked on patrol with Sergeant Grant for 17 years of my career)
The Chatham Police Department sadly announce the passing of (Retired) Sergeant David. C. Grant. Sergeant Grant proudly served this community for 32 years, starting as a Patrol Officer in February 1966, then promoted to Sergeant in June 1978 and then retiring in July 1998. He was a wealth of institutional knowledge and was well versed in the local lore and legends of Chatham during these years. For those who worked with him, every shift was an experience.
We send our sympathy and condolences to his family, and on behalf of the department, we thank him for his dedicated service.

J.D. Cauble
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/10/2021 - 15:42:31
In the last few weeks, we have lost Bob Borthwick (Gibby's Brother) and Russell Doane, a member of one of the early family settlers of Eastham..
Russell was operating a large dump truck on Route 3 years ago, when the trailer starting going up and before he could control the event, the truck body hit the overpass. Later, I asked him about it. He said "It ain't easy being me."

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 08/09/2021 - 17:33:27
Local beach plums are hanging in there so far.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/08/2021 - 12:43:59
Richard - Hopefully all the green beach plums ripen. Need lots for recipes in Plum Crazy by Elizabeth Post Mirel.
dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/08/2021 - 11:21:17
Hi Ned - I finally met Annie! What a great person. We had a good talk and I am so sorry they are moving away from the neighborhood. I'm glad you had told me about the dogs or I wouldn't have known it was her.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 08/08/2021 - 06:39:52
Richard, you're a real sweetheart. Who brought news into this discussion? Unlike you, there are those of us who do independent review, critical analysis, and distill thoughts into cogent arguments WITHOUT having to be told by CNN/ABC/NBC what to say and what to think. You should try it sometime...it is enlightening.

I'm with Jared, we "cut the cable" years ago to reduce the filth and lies being piped into our home by the media. I would have though an illustrious Naval vet as yourself would be a bit more discerning...., but I get it, thinking is hard. Carry on Sailor.

JimP
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 22:34:54
Judy: I heard you met my sister Annie. Nice gal, huh?
Ned Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 21:57:23
Richard - as someone who had Covid and had an O2,count of 83 when I was admitted to Cape Cod Hospital I find your misguided comments insulting. I was the second person in Chatham to get this horrible virus . I have since since been vaccinated by choice; however, I have excellent health care insurance fully paid for by my employer to date and when I had COVID. The hospital and other hospitals were reimbursed for all of us that were unfortunate enough to be so sick. There was absolutely nothing political about this and I can't tell how how angry your ridiculous uneducated comments make me. Maybe talk to other folks that almost died from this as well before shooting off your ridiculous diatribe.
Judyp
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 19:51:40
Hi Dick. No, I do not watch Fox News. In fact cable has been willingly cut off in ymy house because they are all pretty bad.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 19:11:33
Thanks John W. and Judith W.
It is reassuring that I am not alone in supporting folks getting vaccinated. It is to save your life! Don't expect me to show up at your funeral and lament your passing if you have died from complications of Covid, when you had an opportunity to get vaccinated.
And when you have sucked off the care of people who might need the services you are squandering.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 18:58:22
Richard, I do listen to the news from a variety of sources and I read a number of magazines including The Economist. My statistics are from the most reliable sources I can find. The source on the deaths of the unvaccinated came from Republican Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland. So Bob, I don't feel my comments are politically motivated. I don't feel they are political at all, or religious, just common sense based on reliable sources.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 18:24:23
John and Richard: Thanks for being two voices of reason and intelligence in this discussion. And way too many people need to check and verify legitimate sources before throwing around statistics. Reliance on one so-called news channel or items on face-book are not legitimate sources of medical information.
Judith W.
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 18:18:56
This whole discussion regarding Covid has taken on political aspects that I am tired of hearing.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 17:49:07
Judy P, and your brethren:
Of COURSE they were reimbursed. ! if you are on Medicare or some other plan. When I had my knees replaced, etc the hospital was reimbursed by Medicare and Tricare for Life. How do you folks think hospitals can get by if they don't get payments from Medicare and Medicaid, or your private insurance? If they take care of dying Covid patients, their costs are way above the norm. Ventilators for their last breaths? No visitors?
Is this what you want for your people who are NOT vaccinated?

I would have thought that Chatham High School graduates had more discernibility when it came to dealing with their news sources.

Check the usage of affect vs effect.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 17:37:42
Richard - hospitals were reimbursed from the federal government from COVID cases. When I was discharged I received a notification to that affect from my health insurer.
JudyP
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 16:38:13
Of course, the vaccination is meant to prevent death, not transmission. And, of course they would be counted as death due to Covid if they tested positive. Show me the records of hospital getting reimbursed for Covid patients.
Are you actually doubting that over 600, 000 people have died in this country due to the disease? Go talk to their families, or the medical staff that treated them, then get back to us.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 16:30:32
This was because hospitals got money for Covid deaths.
Bill P
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 16:17:27
Richard, before this May if someone died and tested positive for Covid they were counted as a Covid death.
Bill P
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 16:16:23
Ignore the mistakes in the spelling I cut and pasted. It said the vaccine can't prevent transmission.

Source is Wolf Blister CNN. I heard this myself.

Bill P
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 16:13:32
"CDC Director said today August 6th that "what they (Coronavirus vaccines) can&#1523;t do anymore is prevent transmission."

Is the CDC director considered a good enough source for you?

As to John W, those stats are a fraud. It sure did not work that way in Ptown. 4 of 5 severe cases had the vaccine. They are counting last winter in the deaths before any vaccine and inserting it into the amount of vaccinated vs not.

Bill P
USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 16:10:11
Jared, are you referring to Fox News? I don't watch any TV, so you'll have to tell me which news broadcasters you are referring to.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 15:11:44
My understanding is that many of the death numbers have been artificially inflated. If one dies from multi-system trauma in a car accident, or suffers an AMI and had tested positive for covid immediately prior, that death should not be blamed on Covid. I listened to the story of a man right here on the Cape, whose mother was terminally I'll in a nursing home. Her days were numbered and the staff tested her for Covid often. The staff relayed to her son, that mother repeatedly tested negative. When her illness finally did claim her, her death certificate listed Covid as the cause.

Too many people in this country haven't learned to turn off the alphabet soup of news broadcasters. They thrive on selling fear and BS. Remember that just because there's a positive case, it does not necessarily mean death or even symptoms. If people fear the rise of cases, then asymptomatic people should stop being unnecessarily tested. All it is doing is making the Dem panic worse.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 13:57:31
I would think that the fact 99% of the recent COVID deaths are from people who are not vaccinated would be proof enough that everyone should get the vaccine as soon as possible. That, and the evidence that virtually all the breakthrough cases of those vaccinated are mild and short-lived, mean vaccinated people have a much better chance of surviving COVID. I can not understand the resistance to getting a vaccination.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/07/2021 - 10:15:08
Well said brother.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 08/06/2021 - 19:08:30
Gamma Globulin was NOT fun. Putting an ice-cold golf-ball in your butt cheek. Used to have to get them all the time for the foreign countries we'd get into.

Richard, I wouldn't trust Fauci as far as I can throw him. He has contradicted himself and flip-flopped more than any other health care professional in history. He even lied - under oath - to Congress as to the US funding "gain of function" research at the Wuhan Lab. The man is NOT to be trusted.

Again, the availability of the vaccine is wide. People can make up their own minds wether or not to get vaccinated. I'm vac'd. But I also have no problem with people who choose not to get vac'd. You do you, and let others do themselves. This is still a Constitutional Republic. Don't force a lock-down on me because YOU don't want to get vac'd. Take your chances of getting the wu-flu and surviving with or without the vaccine. .

JimP
USA - Fri 08/06/2021 - 17:47:39
I have written previously of the Kingston Trio at Storyville before. They were great and someone from Harwich invited them to a midnight beach party at the end of Deep Hole Road. Nick Reynolds and Dave Guard came and we stayed until 5 AM. I had to work at the Chatham Post Office at 6:30AM. I was about 21 and didn't drink so it was not as bad as it could have been. My job was to walk the mail from the Epicure to the Old Village. I stopped at home on Holway Street on the way and got an hour of sleep. Very fun night.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/06/2021 - 16:56:01
I trust Dr. Fauci way before I would trust a non MD "spokesman" who probably has been vaccinated. This variant is a worrisome moving target and non vaccinated folks put the rest of the population at serious risk.

When giving shots in the Navy, they were not optional, but done to protect the sailor and his shipmates. I even saw a Navy pilot faint when he saw the needle and syringe he was to receive a gamma globulin shot with. On the USS Intrepid, only the A-1 and A-4 solo pilots got these jabs, ( and probably Seawolf and medevac pilots did as well) in case they were shot down over enemy territory.
Ben H, you must have received these as well.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/06/2021 - 15:05:32
I went to the West Chatham Plaza today for the first time since the roundabouts were finished. Going east to west, then back west to East via 28. Boy it's harder to go into the Plaza. It's as if they don't want anyone to go there.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/06/2021 - 14:55:24
At this point it seems wrong to give military members the vaccine. If we can be honest all facts point to the vaccine doing nothing. Spare me the new you won't get as sick lie. Just look at P-Town, 4 of very sick had the vaccine.

Just let people decide for themselves.

But it seems agenda's over facts these days.

Their is a good treatment with Ivermectin, but it's politically wrong to speak of this.

Just 2 weeks, masks, no masks, double masks, outdoors ok, outdoors bad, etc, etc.

How can we trust anything any more. Town will just parrot the state who parrots flip flop Fauci.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/05/2021 - 17:00:12
Folks: Did anyone see the recent article in the Chronicle regarding certain Orleans citizens having issues with the number of folks using and enjoying publicly available conservation lands - because of the corollary limited public egress needs? If so any thoughts? The quoted fellow even had a tracking app. The tone of the article, from my perspective, wasn't very flattering towards the landowners. My humble view is that these lands are for us all to enjoy (especially kids and old folks). If the applicable Massachusetts laws allow me to respectfully pass along your property at the tideline so be it. I'd hate to see Chatham or Orleans become more like Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket (with all their private posted signs to such a high degree that you can't even visit the place for a picnic). If Julie and I had a beach front or abutted conservation lands, we'd welcome folks passing along the property line so long as they didn't leave trash behind. Maybe I'm just behind the new real estate times, however, I think that we're all just temporary caretakers of our land and the Cape's pristine conservation lands should be readily enjoyed by all - without hassle. When our boys were little, they used to love setting minnow traps around town. They used to pop them open and check out the catch and then return the critters to the sea. A few times some uptight pastel clad "NYC types", in Range Rovers, gave them a hard time about passing along certain dirt roads to set the traps. This was not cool to our way of thinking. In any event, sorry for the rambling, yet the tone of some of our Orleans neighbors reminded me of those kind of short sighted folks. Just one Wash-Ashore's view.
Ned Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 08/05/2021 - 16:01:24
Peter, it's fairly easy: the vaccine has NOT yet been approved by the FDA. remember, we are operating off of emergency use authorization (EUA). DoD members MAY be forced to receive the vaccine but the SECDEF must get permission from the President to do this. If/IF the President approves, then it can be mandated. They refused to do this under Trump; Biden has shown a willingness to approve it.

After the Antrax fiasco, DoD isn't really looking for a repeat performance. The Anthrax vaccine required 6 shots, spaced out over time. I was on something like my 12th shot before they yanked the program - my records were always lost; I changed units; etc.

HOWEVER, I suspect Lloyd Austin will seek permission from Biden and mandate the services to innoculate its members. I'm hearing that will come down next week.

JimP
USA - Thu 08/05/2021 - 08:11:31
Can any of you ex Army folks explain to me how the present Army has the right to refuse vaccination? I was in the Army in the 70's. We never had an option. In fact we were used as a test for swine flu vaccines that never was used on the US population because of the adverse effect it had on us.
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/04/2021 - 20:36:17
Ben H. I also remember those 2 shows. Sarah so inebriated she had to be led off the stage, but never skipped a beat with her dynamite performance. And The Kingston Trio autographing my playbill. So very exciting at the time.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 20:58:53
Too young for Jakes but I sure remember Storyville Cape Cod Some great performers and a lot of friends worked there so great seats and memories. I thought Sarah Vaughn was drinking a tumbler full of water on stage between songs but I learned later from Tom Curran a waiter and PIT resident that it was straight vodka. She got even better after the second big glass. A few summers later the Kingston Trio appeared there and Nick Reynolds who became a friend 40 years later here in Coronado says he has fond memories of performing there and then staying up all night at a beach party in Chatham. Anyone remember trying to fool Estelle at the New Yorker (now Squire) with a fake ID? She ran that place with an iron hand - no college kids could put one over on her.
ben h
USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 20:46:36
Heard about Jake's Beer Garden, but as a 14 year old, never saw it or visited. We had our own parties on North Beach later on. Not attended by "summer kids'', who had their own connections. I would have enjoyed the companionship of folks like John Whelan at our camp on North Beach in the fall and winter. Alas, the summer kids were gone after Labor Day.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 18:56:45
Anyone remember Jake's Garden.?Burned around 1954.
Hal Arends
Lancaster, PA USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 18:28:12
Bob - how many times have they tried to fix this? How many times has Dr. Cowle's office flooded? Let's hope they get their act together and get it done so they can focus on the cemeteries. I have written them weekly to no avail since Memorial Day and received nothing but lip service. The cemetery commission should all be fired and new folks appointed. Our tax dollars are paying for a service we have not been receiving for over a year. The landscaping company from Dennis they use has proven they can't do the job. Joe Buckley and his crew never had a problem and everything was pristine.
JudyP
WChTham, USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 18:17:39
Town of Chatham has decided to placate the occupants of Crowell Road, Lake Street and Stony Hill Road. Years of flooding potential will hopefully become a distant memory. Cheers to the Robert B. Our company and associates, and to the TOC for tackling the issues.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 16:27:43
Anyone know why Crowell road is blocked from Stepping stones to Barcliff?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/03/2021 - 15:15:43
The only side effect of the Air Force being in Chatham in the mid to late 50's was the men would buy beer for us guys in hopes of getting closer to our women classmates.
The Coast Guard had better luck, it seems.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/31/2021 - 19:10:13
To "Hal".. The pit was part of Air Force housing"?? Let us know and I'll up date stuff.. Trust the older kids!!!
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 07/31/2021 - 12:18:53
Was the Pit property always called THE PIT or just when it
was no longer a government housing facility (Air Force I think)?
The "PIT" sounds like a Babo.

Hal Arends
Lancaster, PA USA - Sat 07/31/2021 - 06:16:25
The Pit definitely was an intrusion Richard even to the point that the town would conduct an inspection after so many complaints - they never should have announced the inspection which took place on a Sunday morning - bottom line, what was like a scene out of Animal House only hours earlier became a courteous Sunday morning gathering with young college students in coats and ties attending a voluntary service of some sort conducted by none other than Babo, the mayor of the Pit. The place was spotless, the inspectors were impressed. That night another party of course.
ben h
USA - Fri 07/30/2021 - 19:46:13
The PIT sounds like an incredible intrusion in to the neighborhood serenity. Roy Mesrvey, Sr. had the right idea.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/30/2021 - 17:31:24
Observation: living on Bucks Creek - have taken notice that there are no ducks (water fowl) on
The creek. Always have been there-active any happy. Any information, solution - most appreciated.

Marie <Mdburns14@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/30/2021 - 09:58:56
The Pit was incredible. Babo and Chang, both from Brown, were very creative and each time I visited I was amazed at the pranks they came up with. The local people who lived there woke up each day wondering what was next. Trash cans played a major role in some of the skirmishes. I was not yet old enough to get into bars so the Pit supplied excitement for me and my friends.,
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/29/2021 - 23:21:41
It is good to hear someone in authority at a high level who dealt with polio at an early age speak out in favor of COVID vaccinations.
Anna Olson, Don St Pierre, and myself are several who were affected by polio back in the late 40's in Chatham or in Harwich. I often wonder how my siblings were spared, as was Carl Olson,( Anna's brother,) and Norm St. Pierre, Don's brother..
I wonder how many millions of folks have been saved by the creation and distribution of Polio Vaccines throughout the world?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/29/2021 - 17:01:14
last i heard the mayor of the pit babo was seeking his fourth term as county commissioner in ossippee new hampshire. during his heyday he managed to play for the boston u hockey team although he was not even attending the university. they shoulda made a movie about david babo babson - a true original who could talk his way into anything. he convinced my aunt mary she should hold a party for the entire pit crew because they were so out of luck. actually they were mostly wesleyan college baseball players and waitresses having the time of their lives.
ben h
USA - Wed 07/28/2021 - 21:23:51
Getting back to housing for summer employees on the
cape, has anyone given thoughts to THE PIT? The Pit
was a culture in and of itself with some wild stories, Babo
Chang, Judge Hall, etc.

Hal Arends
Lancaster, PA USA - Wed 07/28/2021 - 20:41:10
Couple of interesting articles in current issue of Yankee Magazine: The Bridges of Barnstable County (Three spans not only connect Cape Cod to the mainland, but also link visitors and residents with treasured memories); and, Sail of the Century (A salute to Cape Cod's unsinkable Beetle Cat). A Beetle Cat Championship Regatta will be held this weekend by Chatham Yacht Club, according to the article.
John S.
GETTYSBURG, PA USA - Mon 07/26/2021 - 18:52:54
Nancy, I will call you.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/26/2021 - 17:51:03
Rich, I hope you still have the copy I gave to my 3 bros.
Nancy Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 07/26/2021 - 16:10:11
Back to housing for Summer Help, can't believe there hs been no
comments on THE PIT. The Pit was a culture all its own with some
wild stories of fame like Babo & Change, Judge Hall etc.

Hal Arends
Lancaster, PA USA - Mon 07/26/2021 - 13:55:31
Town beginning to do maintenance in the cemetery and on the bike path.

Why has it taken so long to begin? Lack of consistent ongoing maintenance is a negative direct reflection on Chatham.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/25/2021 - 15:35:29
Rich, I hope you still have the copy I gave to my 3 bros.
Nancy Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 07/23/2021 - 20:52:13
Who has a copy of the Coast Guard Promotional Film produced by Bay State Films in the late 1940's that included Dave Ryder, Harold Dutton, and Mrs. Phyllis Tileston?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/23/2021 - 18:44:01
John, You the man.
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 07/22/2021 - 22:50:18
The Kingsmen were one of the original garage bands. "Louie Louie" was by far their biggest hit. "Little Latin Lupe Lu" was a hit as was "Jolly Green Giant". My favorite Kingsmen record was "Long Tall Texan". Super song. "I Like it Like That" was by Chris Kenner from New Orleans. Great song, later covered badly by The Dave Clark Five. The original was far better. I have a greatest hits by the Kingsmen CD. Unfortunately, I have about 2000 CD's in my cellar.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/22/2021 - 21:46:25
John Whelan, fill us in on the other Kingsmen tunes that would have been popular back then !
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/22/2021 - 17:40:19
The Kingsmen had many popular albums in the mid 60's, ("Louie, Louie", etc) and the line "I like it like that"was associated with "Come on, let me show you where it's at." Being away in the Navy during that time, I was not aware of the Chatham fun sites.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/22/2021 - 15:52:52
Dan we called that place "I like it like that" Had a lot of fun there. Thanks for the memories.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/22/2021 - 12:11:54
In the early sixties my father owned the house behind the station. It was the Chipmam's that lived there. They moved away and he rented it out to some local young boy's who I won't name. They were friends and classmates. There was so much partying that year that he tore the house down the following year.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/22/2021 - 10:34:58
Richard - it' was a right of passage for those mature enough to handle it. For those too immature - shame on them. Those were the days.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 07/21/2021 - 18:11:55
A recipe for disaster: Young people, coed living, loud music and insatiable thirsts.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/21/2021 - 17:24:33
Nowaks (Chatham Furniture etc.) built a dorm behind the West Chatham store somewhere around
the late 60's to rent to summer help. I don't think it lasted long due to a thirsty crowd, co-ed, noise,
etc.

Hal Arends
Lancaster, USA - Wed 07/21/2021 - 13:35:01
Richard, I assume your family did not need it. I bought my own clothes or anything I wanted outside of room and board once I started working. And it was fine by me as I could by clothes I liked.
Bill P
USA - Tue 07/20/2021 - 16:55:52
Any money I earned as a kid was not shared with the family - I earned it and it was mine to do with what I wanted. I don't see kids today having to contribute to the family coffers any more than I or my siblings did. Once we graduated from high School, that was different. We had to pay rent if we were to live at home.
We all learned responsibility at a young age.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/20/2021 - 16:39:40
Justin, I hope all of your students are working to contribute to the family coffers....not just for new I-phones or sneakers! If they helped in some way it would negate your premise that young families cannot afford to live in Chatham. We want to live here....we want to be productive and helpful to those we love and honor our parents and our heritage. Push THAT!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo. Com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/20/2021 - 15:59:02
Thank you Richard, my grandparents were certainly well known in Eastham. If it came down to following in one of their footsteps, either growing turnips or education, I was certainly going to pick education.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 20:51:48
Back in the 70's some businesses actually housed and recruited workers from college and down south.

CBI had lot's of dorms which when the NY money came in they remodeled them for other purposes.

Christopher Ryder House also had repeat summer help because they provided housing.

Wayside also had housing which they chose to repurpose.

So they can all cry me a river about having no help.

Justin is right that there are no teenagers left in town to work and no more dorm housing to bring people in. It seems the full summer family is a thing of the past. I had dozens of friends who came for the whole summer and worked.

The issue Justin is there is no solution, it's to far gone. Even people who had houses handed down are having trouble just paying the taxes because house prices have sky rocketed. I know a few who had small water front houses passed to them and they had to sell because of the taxes.

Bill P
USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 20:35:39
Justin. I knew your Grandfather Art Nickerson, Turnip Man, and your Grandmother who was a staunch supporter of education in Eastham. Good to see you following in her footsteps.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 19:07:15
Richard, it's pretty clear to me that you are only supposed to live here if you have property passed down from generations. If you happen to find another way, you certainly aren't allowed an opinion. You're supposed to just go along along with what the "true Chathamites" think.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 18:43:44
I want to publicly thank Selectmen Metters and Nicastro for seeing that a flag was put in Union Cemetery today and holding the Town Manager accountable for her severe lack of oversight. Many of us sincerely appreciate your help.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 18:07:59
I must tell you that back in the 50's or early 60's, Chatham residents had an opportunity to change some zoning rules to allow ,can you believe, apartment buildings in the town. God forbid, we allow people of limited means to be able to actually live here.
So, the Town is reaping what our narrow minded Town Meeting Attendees sowed. Being an exclusive community is what they wanted, but they had no way to foresee the results..

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 18:06:45
I'm not sure what they are working towards. I was simply disputing the statement that kids these days don't want to work. Though is it unreasonable to expect a family to be able to live in a community on the wages of the parents?
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 17:50:01
Justin, I hope all of your students are working to contribute to the family coffers....not just for new I-phones or sneakers! If they helped in some way it would negate your premise that young families cannot afford to live in Chatham. We want to live here....we want to be productive and helpful to those we love and honor our parents and our heritage. Push THAT!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo. Com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 17:34:46
Almost every one of my students was planning on working this summer. So the issue is not that kids don't want to work. The issue is there aren't enough kids around to work because we have made it so hard for young families to live here.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/19/2021 - 09:52:37
Most kids don't want to work.. A dishwasher at $18.00 per hour from 5 to 11 and aa free meal...!! And no takers??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sun 07/18/2021 - 20:29:39
Nice to hear from Hal Arends! A good basketball player if I remember correctly.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/18/2021 - 17:16:05
How many kids got through college by working three meals a day at Ma Haven's Wayside Inn.
Room and board. Deposit yesterdays tips every morning in the bank and humor from Kenny, Bob and Bruce.
Mid to late 50's were good times in Chatham. I was so fortunate.

Hal Arends
Lancaster, PA USA - Sun 07/18/2021 - 13:36:10
My parents are at People's Cemetery and the condition is the same. Cemeteries are not only the final resting place for our loved ones, but a reflection of a community's wealth, values, culture, progress, memories and as importantly our
history. Chatham officials have fallen woefully short in it's care and preservation as a community. They made a commitment to those of us who took them at their word when we chose Chatham as the eternal resting place for our families, that long after we are gone, respect and care would continue as long as Chatham as a town exists. It's time to demand that Town officials do their job and honor that commitment.

Elaine Gibbs
USA - Sun 07/18/2021 - 08:42:53
I took some flowers to my family's graves in Union Cemetery yesterday. Once again I found the lower part not mowed, not weed whacked and in horrible condition. Trash lying around as well. The flag that had been flying in shreds since Memorial Day still has not been replaced. Our taxes pay for perpetual care of all cemeteries and it's disgraceful our departed loved ones are resting in such conditions. I have written the town manager twice about this and today will be the third time. We pay a company to maintain these cemeteries and it's not being done. I'd like to know what else our tax dollars pay for that's not being done.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 07/18/2021 - 07:42:29
My summer job was working for Phil Guild at Roy Bearses grocery store in West Chatham the year it opened. A great family, the Wormwoods, opened Larrys PX next door that same year with free hamburgers and shakes if I helped sweep or whatever. Older girls like Jane Harding used to come shopping in short shorts. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Learned a lot about the grocery business like when Mr Bearse used to stop by and pick up that days cash on his way to the Taunton dog track. He used to let me leave early to play for the town team - great memories.
ben h
USA - Sat 07/17/2021 - 20:59:06
Too bad House Speaker Tip O'Neill is not still around, or John Pratt for that matter. They might have known where that old truck went. Certainly it is not in a field somewhere at Eastward Ho. They are much too prim and proper for that sort of old truck to be hanging around.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/17/2021 - 17:27:15
Check Hemmings Motor News on line. There you will find at least one restored 1951 Ford Country Squire Woodie Wagon for sale. Hold on to your wallet - it lists for $75,000.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/16/2021 - 10:26:24
Richard, your memory is more in tune with mine. We would get $1 or $2. Mrs Mac gave 25 cents and that's why everyone hated getting her.
Bill P
USA - Thu 07/15/2021 - 15:53:49
Richard: I wonder whatever happened to that old Eastwood Ho vehicle. I'm looking for an old Ford or Buick Woody to restore. If anyone has a lead let me know. In all likelihood, it's rusted away and somewhere on the "back 9" at Eastwood Ho.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Wed 07/14/2021 - 18:00:19
Back caddying at the CBI, I might have gotten a dollar for 9 holes, but that was maybe 15 years earlier than Ned. We were not in Hyannisport. Local kids weren't even allowed to caddy at Eastward Ho. There was evidently a Caddy Camp for Boston kids, who came to the Band Concerts in the back of a stake body truck on Friday nights.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 07/14/2021 - 16:19:13
Summer jobs are great. Particularly on Cape Cod. My first job was at the old Penny Candy Store on Main Street across from Chatham Hardware. Susie Paul was dating my brother Billy and she very kindly helped me get the job. I rode my bike there from North Chatham each day. I was then a Caddy at the Hyannisport CC for 2 summers. We lived off the 9th Fairway in 2 old barrack buildings purchased from Otis AFB. We worked 7 days a week. Flat rate for a single bag was $6 and Doubles was $10. After 6:00 p.m. we could use the course. It was hard work, yet, fun too. I caddied for Ted Kennedy, Tip O'Neil and met Jerry Lewis and Rose Kennedy. Saw Jackie O frequently jogging along the course - dressed in a black jogging suit with those classic large sunglasses. Cool lady. Each summer the Kennedy family would invite all the caddies over for a cookout. Rose would take small groups (6 to 8 kids) on a short tour of the first floor of the "Ambassador's Quarters." It was nice of them. Speaking of summer jobs, my 3 boys have worked hard here in Chatham (e.g., Fish Pier, Schulters, Story Fish's boat the Sundance, Anglers Bat Boy, etc.). They have benefited greatly and met super Chatham people along the way. Our youngest, Banner, currently works at Chatham Village Market and loves it. He is the big kid behind the deli counter with the beard. Be sure to say howdy to him the next time you're there.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
The Woodlands , TX USA - Tue 07/13/2021 - 11:16:00
Mac Jr. still is a great guy. Saw him the other day and he is doing well.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/11/2021 - 16:45:28
I loved working as a caddie. Plus at that age you could not get any other job. The worst to caddy for was Mrs McMullen. Cheap tipper and not very nice. Her son Mac Jr was a great guy.
Bill P
USA - Sun 07/11/2021 - 15:38:03
Any summer job for me was better than caddying! Imagine on a hot summer morning, lugging those leather bags full of unneeded clubs, up and down those 9 holes. Terrible job ! Alice Ryder told us boys we had to stay at the Caddy Shack until 1 PM, then we could leave. I would immediately go to the Fish Pier!
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/11/2021 - 12:10:52
My jobs starting around 10 to 17. Paper route, Caddy, Northport dishwasher, Christopher Ryder House morning kitchen cleaner & Prep, then on to Stop & Shop produce dept. Walked or rode my bike to all the jobs. Parents did not drive you everywhere in those days.
Bill P
USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 21:29:31
Children who find part time work in the summer will learn the life time responsibilities that go with holding a job when they grow older.Our oldest worked a summer washing pots and pans at Flemming. the next two summers were spent working at the W.Chatham A&P. The youngest was flipping hamburgers at the Ridgevale Shack. They still had plenty of time to enjoy the summer activities with friends and family.
earl <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 21:00:18
Is it my way of thinking or did we have more inclination to work in the summer than teens of today? My first job did not require a workers permit as I was about 12-13 when Winifred Shephard asked me to care for her 2 young children. They were sweet and not difficult at all. My mode of transport was my bicycle ridden from my home on Old Harbor to their home in the Village. Cannot remember the amount I was paid but it was a good summer job and it gave me a sense of pride.
My first job with a workers permit was when I was 14. It was at a rooming house called the Barkentine on Old Harbor, owned by Edith Reynolds. She rented rooms and cooked breakfast and dinner for her clients. What a wonderful cook she was! I would walk to work as it was near by. After serving breakfast there were rooms to be cleaned. Then there was a break before I walked back down to serve dinner. Edith made delicious yeast rolls each day and the leftovers I could take home for my hungry brothers. It always amazed me that she had a tub of ice cream in her freezer (vanilla). I never knew anyone who owned a large freezer and a 14 year old is quite impressionable! Edith was always in a good mood and would sing and tell funny stories. What a delightful woman. Wish I had one of her desserts to enjoy. Black Bottom Pie was a specialty. My memories sustain me these days.

Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 19:36:49
I never had any idea about all these places to work when I was 14. I went off to Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop and Laundry when I was 14 or so on my newly purchased Schwinn bicycle. Once again, Dave Ryder set me up with another job.
Turned out well, as I learned a lot from Castell aKelley and got some self confidence along the way.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 17:12:54
I washed dishes for Bill Cotter at what was first the Chatham Dairy Bar and later Bill's Lunch. Don Jamison, Dick Cahoon and I each did 4 hours. We were about 14 and I remember that we had to go to the Post Office for a work permit at 14. We made about 75 cents an hour. We made hundreds of ice cream cones on Band Concert nights. I worked there the next five summers, as a cashier, server and soda jerk. Fran and Arthur Crowell were next with Fran's Chowder Bar. The big attraction was the organ in the front left corner. I think it was Arthur Crowell who was a good organist.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 09:42:52
I worked at a Colonial Candle store in the late 50s or early 60s.where the Yellow Umbrella is today. We demonstrated candle dipping in the back and I hate the smell of perfumed candles to this day!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 07:00:03
I worked withMillie Breault at The Children's Shop and The Swinging Basket. On her lunch hour she swam off the dock in Little Mill Pond. Her daughter Jackie was married to Bill Cotter the Golf Pro.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/10/2021 - 06:59:39
Ben, was it Fran's Chowder Bar?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/09/2021 - 21:09:33
what was bill cotters hot dog hamburger place?
ben h
USA - Fri 07/09/2021 - 20:10:10
I used to work as a caddie for Bill Cotter.
Bill P
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/09/2021 - 12:21:01
I worked withMillie Breault at The Children's Shop and The Swinging Basket. On her lunch hour she swam off the dock in Little Mill Pond. Her daughter Jackie was married to Bill Cotter the Golf Pro.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/09/2021 - 06:36:02
Bob, I knew the spelling was wrong, Breault is the right spelling. Yesterday I couldn't remember his granddaughters name. In the afternoon her first name came to me , Debbie and this morning I remembered her last name is Horne. The information is still in the brain but sometimes it takes longer for it to pop up.
Barbara J Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Thu 07/08/2021 - 09:39:44
I worked at a Colonial Candle store in the late 50s or early 60s.where the Yellow Umbrella is today. We demonstrated candle dipping in the back and I hate the smell of perfumed candles to this day!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/08/2021 - 06:10:58
Breault?, or was was it Breaux?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/07/2021 - 22:25:45
Dick and John. I worked at the First National from 1954 to 1956 as a cashier so it probably was the late 50's when it closed. John Bureaus (sp?) lives In Chatham, maybe she has a more accurate date.
Barbara J Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Wed 07/07/2021 - 09:35:24
John First National Store closed mid 50's I think
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/07/2021 - 07:03:06
Richard, do you or anyone else remember what year the First National on Main Street in Chatham closed? And what was there next? I remember a clothing store called the Country Store and also the Cookie Manor, but can't remember any dates.
The Yellow Umbrella has been there for 40 years.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/06/2021 - 18:12:19
On my way to Orleans via West Chatham today, a tailgating driver on Route 28 (North or South ?) turned out to be a younger woman, eating from a large bowl when she came alongside me on my port side in Orleans. Held up left turning traffic at the Methodist Church, she did, while finishing her lunch.

The new West Chatham rotaries seem to slow things down, but at least you can make safe turns.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/06/2021 - 17:01:29
The same folks who have learned to put down their binkies on the grass in front of the Band Concert in the morning , or the Veterans Field fireworks, way ahead of the event. To hell with the late comers.

Their descendants now try to take over the roads in their Beemers, Mercedes, Teslas, etc.

Slow down folks. You are not in Kansas anymore.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/05/2021 - 18:57:32
First come, first serve, with some people putting their cars at the light after breakfast. There was no time limit, then.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/04/2021 - 16:05:25
John Whelan, only the "ground troops got the chutes". Hard to imagine that there were so few people around back then. Can you , or anyone else on this ChatMRoom , describe how the parking at the Light might have been handled? Or were you just down on the beach, not aware of what was happening above?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/03/2021 - 17:10:58
Richard, thinking about the fireworks at the Chatham Light. I remember they shot off some fireworks that had little white parachutes in them. We, kids, fought for the parachutes.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/03/2021 - 10:50:38
Happy July 4th to all.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/03/2021 - 10:47:29
Ben - Rog on the nuclear capability. "Back in the day" I was part of a team sent to do penetration surveys/assessments at Sandia Labs out in New Mexico. Part of the train up was a "read-on" as to the nuclear capability they were working for smaller devices. It was incredibly eye-opening; at the same time we had "jumpable" nucs that a HALO jumper could parachute in to a hardened target.

You'd be amazed at the technology these days of dropping ordnance. "Sniper pods" underneath fast-movers that are interlinked throughout the battlefield via a range of sensors with a circular-error probable of 1+ meter. I literally watched a prisoner rescue in Iraq where we dropped a JDAM into a wall to blow it out into the street so the guy inside could run off. The JDAM was not armed and the pilot dropped from something like 20K AGL.

The technology development is amazing. On a good note - we evac'd the last combat troops from Bagram, AFG on Thursday. 20 years of incessant war.....too much loss of blood and treasure.

JimP
USA - Sat 07/03/2021 - 08:02:16
We fired HVAR rockets Google says HVAR was an effective weapon in the hands of skilled, experienced pilots. It was less effective in the hands of average or inexperienced pilots who were accustomed to taking less careful aim and then "walking in" their gunfire to finally engage a target. HVARs could be fired in pairs or a single rapid-fire salvo but required accurate initial alignment and careful attention to range, or at least a good instinctive sense for the range to the target.We also dropped MK 54 depth charges which were not as challenging but meant to train us for dropping a more powerful weapon. Being the "cold war" era, we had a "nuclear capability" which was a nuclear depth charge.I remember we could never "confirm nor deny" an arsenal of nuclear weapons to the good citizens we might encounter in Rhode Island.
ben h
USA - Fri 07/02/2021 - 21:04:55
Ben, what did you drop on it? What type of ordnance? I remember watching and listening to it as a kid. Did you have any approach restrictions?
JimP
USA - Fri 07/02/2021 - 17:22:07
Dave Ryder took us kids over to Orleans shortly after the Longstreet was settled on the bottom of Cape Cod Bay. My wife's family referred to the ship as "the Bang Boat" when they watched the practice runs from their modest cottage in Eastham.
We need another Longstreet to house summertime cormorants, and pot growers, as was routine in the past.
The outline of the ship is still visible at low tide, but most folks don't go there at low water. Thanks Ben for that bit of Naval / navel History.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 07/02/2021 - 16:59:46
Ben the usual !!! Happy Fourth
Sylvia and Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/02/2021 - 15:06:34
Hey Barry and Sylvia When should I listen for the cannon - tomorrow morning or Sunday? Happy Fourth to all
ben h
USA - Fri 07/02/2021 - 13:48:39
Bill P not only watched but actually got to drop bombs and fire rockets flying out of NAS Quonset Point RI to the SS James Longstreet wrecked target ship 4 miles off Eastham in Cape Cod bay. Could be spectacular to watch at night. Most fun was flying low over the beach after dropping bombs until we found a beach party. Would then light it up with our 70 million candlepower searchlight which made it like broad daylight. Young couples in various states of dress went scattering in all directions.
ben h
USA - Fri 07/02/2021 - 13:44:34
Bill P. Yup, many times.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/01/2021 - 20:18:38
Anyone remember hearing or watching the practice bombings off Orleans back in the day.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/01/2021 - 19:57:12
Hard to imagine back in the late 1940's that fireworks were set off in front of the Chatham Lighthouse, down on the beach. "Set pieces" were lit off first, then the rest. Chatham fishermen would have a "race" down the harbor, then come back and anchor in front of the "Lights". Best view for sure.
Later the fireworks moved to the Ball field. My wife and her family who summered in Eastham recall coming to the Field and watching the fireworks. Meanwhile, us local boys would be there the morning after to look for coins that had dropped from mens pockets as they laid back to watch the overhead projectiles explode.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/01/2021 - 19:00:37
Richard - nope - you aren't. I was surprised as well . They are moved to August now. I think they're awful and many don't realize the trauma they cause to animals. Hopefully they'll be canceled then as well.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 07/01/2021 - 18:12:56
The fireworks were to be held at Veterans Field? One would think that after errant fireworks set fires on Old Academy Road back before they were moved from the Field, there would be a memory bank in the Chatham Fire Department.
Perhaps I am misinformed.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/01/2021 - 17:57:25
Fireworks canceled.

On a side note, Thursday night was an odd night for them anyway as Friday is not a holiday, Monday is.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/01/2021 - 16:02:51
Reading the CC Chronicle last week I saw Robert Borthwick's obituary. A CHS Class of 1957 classmate. That leaves Ross Gould, Eddie Johnson, possibly John Chamberlin, and myself remaining on the male side. I miss Carl Olson , Verne Hunt, John Pratt, Brenda Hackett, Nancy Chase, Grace Allison, Diane Matteson and any others that have slipped away without my knowledge. Not sure of any remaining women in the class, as many don't have email addresses.
By the way, Bob also worked for the Schluters at the Mobil station.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/30/2021 - 17:01:29
Reading Chronicle online just now, saw an obituary that I didn't expect:
Don Edge, who was one of my long time and loyal users here! :(
Passed on June 24, it said. He will certainly be missed and remembered, especially for the time they hosted a gathering of users at their home some years ago,
Condolences to Lisa and family.

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Wed 06/30/2021 - 11:59:15
I remember the Texas sun Jim. One summer about 40 years ago I was in the AF and got to play Army for about 6 weeks, July, August, at camp Bullis.

Non of that training carried over into what I did in the AF, but hey, some general figured it was a good idea.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/29/2021 - 23:08:39
Richard - I'll take you up on that!! It got down to 5 degrees here for a week. I froze my 'tookus' off - the cold destroyed an incredible amount of trees, greenery, plants and gardens. All our Italian Cypress', palms, flowers, etc: gone. Japanese blueberry trees...gone.

I'll borrow your propane and you can come down and breathe some freedom and watch a free people exercise their independence!

JimP
USA - Tue 06/29/2021 - 19:22:53
Who but seniors would be around during weekdays to participate in those activities? Wouldn't most Chatham residents under age 60 be working? Also, it appears that non-residents can participate if slots are available.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 23:05:37
I was afraid you were going to say the Elementary School based on inaccurate data from a biased superintendent. His claim of Chatham Elementary's demise based on there being one kindergarten class during a pandemic was completely ludicrous. Kindergarten is not mandatory in Massachusetts so undoubtedly some parents chose not to send their kids this year given the circumstances. There are two kindergarten classes next year (almost enough for 3) so already his prediction for 2025 is proven wrong.

As far as the community center, playing devils advocate, most of those activities are open to seniors but not specifically for seniors. There are also a lot of other services that the COA offers for seniors in need. I think there are a lot of people that would say that the COA and Community Center should be separate entities, even if there is some overlap. I would tend to be in that group. However, I would certainly support the COA being housed in the Community Center over the Elementary School.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 22:03:02
Community Center calendar shows many activities available to seniors while school is in session. Some examples: Chair yoga, senior lite fitness, AARP senior tax aid,, pickleball, bridge, yoga stretch, zumba, ballroom line dancing. Why the duplication?
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 20:06:11
Debbie,

Where is there already space in a municipal building?

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 19:37:01
Jimj P:
I have a small propane fired heater that doubles as a place to heat some food, ready to send to a Texan who, due to the state's incompetence and poor planning at high levels, has run out of electricity next winter. No state has a monopoly on solving problems.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 19:07:53
might I ask, just why in the heck did ya'll BAN bottled water...? Disposal issues with the plastic?

In a tourist environment, summer, the beach......you ban bottled water...???

Is the fish pier still a "nuclear free zone?"

Has the State decided to "allow" you to celebrate Independence Day?

Kind of tongue-in-cheek as we in Texas look on.

JimP
USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 18:41:50
Justin, I respect your opinion. Here's mine. The existing senior center site is a non-starter. Why pay to duplicate space that's already available in another municipal building? I support continuing discussions on this. It's only fair. There has to be a solution.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 18:02:46
Amy, I hear what you are saying. However, I'm not going to let someone tell me that I haven't lived here long enough to have an opinion.

As far as the COA is concerned, I respect everyone's opinion. I think we need to stop looking for the perfect solution though. There will never be a location that 2/3 of the town agrees on and therefore every option will continue to get voted down. The elementary school is a non-starter in my opinion. At this point, we probably should look at renovating/rebuilding at the current location.

The water situation is our most pressing. Which is why I think it is so irresponsible that we just banned bottled water throughout the whole town. Guess at some point we'll all be drinking soda.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 17:32:07
Amy - well said. I found it entertaining they blamed everyone but themselves - the BOS and the COA. The reasons you listed were the reasons it was defeated. That and they were headstrong and refused to listen to many of us with those exact concerns. I hope they take a break for a LONG time and figure out the water situation. That takes precedence over anything else at this point in time.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 17:09:25
Keeping the Community Center ball-field was a major reason why the Select Board rejected that site for a modest senior center addition. That space would have been needed for parking. Ergo my previous question about use of playing fields.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 14:33:39
Freedom of Speech is a wonderful thing. Let us all continue to express our opinions on this chat room.

Happy July 4th - Independence Day.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 13:49:55
I don't understand why so many comments/responses have to be nasty or personal. The Town of Chatham encompasses many people and many viewpoints. Let's be respectful of one another and keep our town discussions civil. Let's show the national folks that this can actually be done.
I think the select board needs to rethink the COA. How many times does it have to be defeated? I heard one or more members state at the follow up meeting to town meeting that there was a lot of misinformation, that they (select board) didn't do a good enough job at selling the project, and that a majority of towns people voted for it. I do not understand why the board refuses to see the obvious. Too big, too much money, wrong spot. Stop coming up with the same thing. Clear the slate and find a way to join the senior center with the community center or refurbish the current building. Each of the members of the select board should be obligated to look at these instead and use common sense, not consultants.

Amy
USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 13:35:07
Judy, your usually response of "you haven't lived here long enough to have an opinion" is not only laughable, it's just irrelevant at this point. What does that have to do with anything? I disagreed with you on the COA. The vote didn't go the way I wanted, I'm not still complaining. I accepted it. It went the way you wanted, yet you are still complaining! Not to mention the fact, that I know exactly how this town works! For your information, I'm a Nickerson! Is that enough town history for you now?
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 11:08:57
Judy, your usually response of "you haven't lived here long enough" is not only laughable, it's just irrelevant at this point. What does that have to do with anything? I disagreed with you on the COA. The vote didn't go the way I wanted, I'm not still complaining. I accepted it. It went the way you wanted, yet you are still complaining! Not to mention the fact, that I know exactly how this town works! For your information, I'm a Nickerson! Is that enough town history for you now?
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 11:04:55
Seriously? Maybe Town officials need to take a close look at who is using these five fields.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 09:39:46
Is it possible that 1 of these fields be used for dogs? There's no place for dogs to run in Chatham!
Josie
chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 09:06:46
There are two ballfields each at Volunteer Park and the Middle School and one at the Community Center. Why does Chatham need all these playing fields?
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 08:24:26
Justin - for someone that has lived here for a short time, I would suggest if you don't like what folks say, zip it. If you were familiar enough with the way the town operates, you will realize that what I said is exactly the truth.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 07:51:54
It IS pretty amazing and inexplicable that in one breath we learn and are horrified that we may run out of potable water. The alternatives- buying water from Harwich or bottled water. And then we ban bottled water. Not flavored seltzer, not soda. not energy drinks. Plain WATER.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Mon 06/28/2021 - 06:33:38
Why does everything have to come back to the COA? You won... move on! The bigger issue is that we may have water that is undrinkable soon and we just banned bottled water. All because if you dare speak out against such a ban you will be labeled as anti-environment. Sure there is an emergency provision in the water bottle ban, but that completely takes it out of each persons own hands what they consider safe to drink.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/27/2021 - 21:06:08
Richard - regarding the water situation. There is no reason in the world for our water supply to be in the state it is. This is what happens when they tried to push thru their the COA at Town Meeting and conveniently left this issue out. It is past time for a new Town Manager. The Board of Selectmen own this mess and need to hold those accountable for this massive oversight. This has been going on for years and has been pushed under table. Now we are in a critical mode with the water and no relief is on site for the immediate future. We will be spending millions and millions to right this massive mess.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 06/27/2021 - 18:29:12
Avoid Ipswitch Shellfish, pay the big bucks for real clams via Chatham Fish and Lobster, dba Mac's Seafood. Just sayin', no guarantees.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/27/2021 - 17:16:30
Do all the soft shell clams harvested on Monomoy or elsewhere in Chatham get sent to Ipswich for processing, then are sent back to the Cape? We have noticed that whole belly fried clams don't seem to have much flavor. Is there a place in Chatham or Harwich that opens their own and cooks their own?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/27/2021 - 17:01:28
I was wondering "why is Route 28 from North Chatham to essentially Orleans in such poor shape when state roads like 137, 124, 39 etc have been repaved recently, and Route 28 has not?"
I found an interesting website hwy.massdot.state.ma.us that yielded an answer. Click on Chatham or Harwich or Orleans, then scroll down to see what is in the pipeline. You can actually send an email to the project manager by clicking her or his name. Perhaps by others asking when will the resurfacing be done, it might speed things up. Certainly the Chatham BOS could do that, in the interest of all who use that road. It has been MANY years since that part of Route 28 was repaved, and it is way overdue.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/27/2021 - 16:13:25
Elaine, thanks for the informative update. Time for a desalination plant? Reverse osmosis?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/27/2021 - 15:54:33
Well 4 is the Indian Hill well near the airport which has been offline since the 1990s. Wells 5&8 at Training Field are the two showing PFAs. Well 5 had to be shut down because it exceeded the 20 parts per trillion. It was 54 most recently. The plan is to blend 5&8 to reduce the levels in well 5.They want to bring well 4 near the airport back on line to make up for the loss of Well 5 so we don't run out of water. Wells 10 & 11 have been offline for years. There's no excuse that we now have wells 4 5 10 & 11 offline when we have known for years with increasing tourism and dry springs and summers we could run out-never mind an emergency like this.. We have no back-up that won't require extensive delays for construction and multi millions to build new Iron and Manganese plants before we can even install PFAs filtration systems.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Sat 06/26/2021 - 13:54:58
Just for clarification. I think Alan is referring to PFAS contamination found in a Town well near the Chatham Airport. Not PEAS. Wonder where that might have come from? Is the Airport Commission ready to own up if it is found to be from the operations at the Airport ?
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/25/2021 - 17:04:43
Folks
PEAS has become a hot topic thru out all of Ma. Where drinking water is concerned. Cannot happen to me, might wish to think again. Apparently there is a well out by the airport is suspected to have levels . I wonder about the equipment used to detect these PEAS levels- contamination is not ppm, it's much less). Never-the less this well could shut down shut down. The near term solution is to blend this well with another, but do not think this is a very desirable action. Data over a 3 month period now under investigation. This could be a concern for many over a larger area.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/24/2021 - 22:59:47
Went to the Fish Pier this afternoon to see the 42 and the 45 footers alongside each other. What a difference three feet in length makes! Larger platform, higher bow. The 45's are well known and appreciated across the Coast Guard. The 42's were rejects from the first time they were employed here. Broken windows, sucking up sand, no parts, etc.

I am told the 45's have much larger intakes for their jets, and don't seem to have the same problems the 42's have, like taking in sand or eel grass.,and thus being disabled.
Oh wait: parts for the 45's are available throughout the Coast Guard. Parts for the three 42's? Forgot it.
What would you rather have: a response boat that is ready to get underway, or one that is laid up?
Go to the Fish Pier and look for yourselves.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/24/2021 - 17:29:52
return of chatham baseball brings good memories .. little league with charlie shephard as coach he would carry all the equipment in his plumbers truck wonderful guy let us all play and feel we were the next ted williams remember john and chuck whelan bill muldowney also remember watching our older heros the town team with star pitcher gordon pratt in those days you could play in a game then go to the band concert still in uniform and maybe impress or even dance the hokie pokie with judy dallen nancy eldredge or susie muldowney .. end up with a lime rickey at the corner drug store .. hard to beat those memories
ben h
USA - Tue 06/22/2021 - 22:33:00
I meant to say we are looking for people to represent their COLLEAGUES in my previous post. Sorry got any confusion.
Justin <Chathamparade@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/20/2021 - 18:39:53
Here is a Beach Plum crop news flash:
This years Eastham crop appears to be a huge one. The bushes I see are filled with what are now pea sized berries, which portend a good crop around Labor Day. It would be of interest to know what the South Chatham (RCA) crop is looking like in comparison.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/20/2021 - 17:20:49
The Parade Committee has chosen to collectively honor all Medical Workers, First Responders and Teachers as Grand Marshals for this years parade. We are looking for recommendations for one member of each group to represent their colleges in the parade. If you know of anyone please send their name, occupation and a bit about them to the email address below.
Justin <Chathamparade@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/20/2021 - 16:44:09
Congratulations to Cory Metters and Dean Nicastro for being elected to another term!!!
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/17/2021 - 21:11:18
I am hopeful the trash cans were an oversight. The Parks Dept generally does a great job. Whenever there's been an issue at the beach I've reported it and it's taken care of. Unlike the rest of the town. As I mentioned at town meeting - look at the former Meservey's Pit Stop , my great grandparents former property - the Captain Harding Conservation area and worst - the cemeteries. We are paying town employees to maintain these properties and it's not being done. It's time to hold them accountable. These town owned properties are disgraceful and insulting to those of us that pay for these services.
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Tue 06/15/2021 - 06:23:15
That would be the Park and Recs. Department
Peter W Taylor <denise.taylor1@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/14/2021 - 19:13:00
Who puts 2 garbage cans in front of the handicapped parking at second parking lot Harding's Beach? PIPES FINALLY REMOVED which is great but garbage cans NOT.
Josie <Akitajeg@yahoo.com>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/14/2021 - 14:37:19
No I'm not John.It has little to do with covid. The Town Budget for FY18-$48MM,FY19-$50MM,FY20-$53.6MM. That was all pre-Covid. FY2021 during covid was $52MM. Based on that pace of spending, this budget should have been in the area of $55-56MM- not $75MM. And that %75MM doesn't include, as I said, the drinking water crisis. I predict that will cost at minimum $30 million to build the Iron and Manganese plants required ($9 million each), the PFAS filtration systems installed and get Wells 4,5,10 and 11 back online pumping. And it needs to be done yesterday.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Mon 06/14/2021 - 06:12:49
Elaine, you are comparing a post-COVID budget with a COVID-reduced budget.
Chatham has tried very hard to keep the budget increase under control.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 20:39:51
You nailed it Jared. and Bill P.it is just a matter of time before they're back at it. This is what happens when proponents have refused to listen to the public who ultimately have the final say. They refused to compromise on design, size cost or location. What was most shocking for me was that the Town budget increased by 42% over last year. Historic.From $53 million to $75 million. And this doesn't include the millions it's going to cost to clean up our drinking water. Nice when the Cost of living and inflation rate are THE highest and fasted rate in 13 years- and half our residents are on fixed incomes.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 18:01:07
We sent them a very strong message yesterday. They need to learn the fine art of compromise. They can try for a facility on Stepping Stones, they can use the elementary school - which the superintendent has made clear he doesn't want - or they can use the community center. They will be voted down I again if they think they're going to get something the ridiculous size they wanted. I think the underutilized Community Center would be perfect. My opinion.
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 17:18:25
Apparently, the majority of Chatham voters smelled that something didn't add up.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 16:49:02
I hope the COA realizes they still have a nice building, they are not without a home.

Don't take your eye off the ball, I expect some shenanigans will come soon.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 11:31:34
During the COA article, supporter Barbara Segall spoke and said that if we waited any longer to build a new building, that "they would all be dead." Her statement alludes that there is a finite number of seniors in line to use the building, and once they are gone, that's it. I know that there are more than a handful of seniors, but she did kinda make the point that Judy, myself and others had. That the next generation of seniors just aren't using the COA like previous ones did. Another point that my neighbor raised as well, was that it seems so many of the supporters needed the social aspect of a COA because they retired here from somewhere else and never actually integrated into the community. It was not predominantly the locals that needed it because we have been members of the community and didn't need it as a place to make friends. My take anyway.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 09:36:17
Interesting indeed! People near me (who I knew) changed their vote and helped defeat the COA article after hearing the speakers. Well done, Chathamiites! Now we must get serious about the wells! Visitors do not know or care that we can not only run out of water but face serious illness from contamination.
Emily <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 08:32:41
Interesting the proponents for the COA left the meeting right after the vote. Poor losers - the least they could have done while the rest of us stayed to perform our civic duty was remove those obnoxious signs. This just proves it was all about them and them only - the heck with the rest of town matters. Personally, many of us couldn't be more delighted the way their palace went up in flames - kind of like the house that was torn down on the property they assumed they had.
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 07:07:24
Will someone pick up the failed signs, please?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/13/2021 - 05:50:12
FYI - Town Meeting stopped at 5 pm after Article 21 - will resume Sunday at 1 pm.
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sat 06/12/2021 - 18:53:50
COA VOTED DOWN - thank you to all who came to Town Meeting!!
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sat 06/12/2021 - 14:55:13
Eastward is finishing a new home on Rock Harbor Road in Orleans,. It appears to be a two story home, but on closer looks, it is a three story. By adding retaining walls away from the basement, they have regular sized opening windows included in the foundation. Must be legal, but certainly adds to the number of potential renters.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/12/2021 - 11:03:57
When I was a resident of Chatham I attended Zoning Board meetings and there is one of Chatham's problems. Check the most recent edition of the Chronicle, Zoning Board agenda. Article 20-081, a request to increase the size of a building from 43.7% to 90.3% where 15% is allowed. Article 21-049 to allow footage to be increased from 43.2% to 80.2% where 15% is allowed. Time and time again I watched the Board approve requests like these, articles that never should have been considered. Something to think about.
Barbara <Bejsteve@gmail.com>
San Diego , CA USA - Sat 06/12/2021 - 09:24:42
Some would say Chatham's # 1 problem is the clear cutting of trees and the loss of undisturbed open space / conservation land.

How much overtime do police earn?

What happens to Chatham properties when they are sold? Trees are cut down, irrigation systems are installed, fertilizer added, ....

Let's preserve Goose Pond / Middle Road property.

Vote NO on Article 19.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/12/2021 - 05:37:10
I could not agree more on every point you made, Jared. And there's a "legacy condition" that he placed on the land. In the event it's no longer needed as a COA in is to be used for "other municipal purposes" as a neighborhood anchor. Municipal purposes is not defined. I don't believe we could sell it on the open market to the highest bidder. We'd be stuck with it. Incredibly expensive affordable housing, I'd say. Nothing is "free".
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Fri 06/11/2021 - 21:37:31
Well said Jared. There are many of us that feel the same way. I saw that mess in Harwich today and just shook my head. It's awful what has been done to Chatham. If the Johnson & Johnson property tear down doesn't shock people nothing will. Vote NO tomorrow on the oversized building on an undersized lot that will cost well over the 8.3 million.
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/11/2021 - 21:18:58
On my way home tonight, I came up Church Street in East Harwich and noticed a crater in the woods adorned with an Eastward sign. The Eastward Company is a damned embarrassment to this town. I've noticed more and more recently that since Chatham is "all used up" Eastward is putting out its slimy tentacles to Harwich and Orleans. It's absolute gluttony and I have yet to come across anyone who doesn't roll their eyes and make a colorful remark when that company or its callous owner is mentioned.

Maybe keep them in mind as part of your vote on the senior center tomorrow, whichever way you vote. Remember that Eastward bought Sibley's house, demolished it without permits, and then tried to pawn the property off on the taxpayers for approximately three times its assessed value. When that didn't look too promising, he concocted a story about this Town being so kind to him that he wanted to gift to us. I know bulls#%t when I smell it. And the supporters want to shoehorn another over built building onto an undersized lot. I'd like to see the article defeated.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/11/2021 - 20:16:56
Jim, it is a percentage of the average income in a town. Affordable is available
for people earning no more than 100% of the area median income. Housing here is
so expensive. Attainable allows help for people who earn up to 200% of the area
average. Chatham has almost no housing for policemen, firemen, nurses and
teachers. It isn't going to be a functional town without workers.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/11/2021 - 19:08:20
what is "attainable" versus "affordable" housing? Not trying to be a smart-a**, sincerely don't know the difference.
JimP
USA - Fri 06/11/2021 - 18:56:56
I urge Chatham voters to attend the Town Meeting and address Chatham's #1 problem.
Our Town needs to vote for the articles concerning attainable and affordable
housing. I won't say it is too late, but we cannot afford to wait another week to
get started.

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/11/2021 - 14:28:09
I just got 2 robocall at 6Pm and 8pm from "Jennifer" from Wellfleet asking me if I'm attending Town Meeting.1-yes;2-no;3-not sure. I want to know how someone got ahold of phone numbers of voter/residents and didn't identify the group placing the call. There apparently are no boundaries.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Thu 06/10/2021 - 20:42:18
It would also be easier if the school just said no more masks. Why torture the kids any longer!
Bill P
USA - Thu 06/10/2021 - 13:48:34
In today's Chronicle, the drawing of the proposed COA building shows no solar panels.

The carbon footprint of the new COA would be huge. This building is not sustainable and would be an environmental sinkhole.

This is why attendance at the Town meeting is so important to counter the many efforts of those who want a new COA building.

Attend the Town meeting and vote NO on Articles 15 and 16.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/10/2021 - 12:56:11
I viewed a picture in our local Naples newspaper this morning of a 300+ lb. black bear on the beach in Bonita Springs, near Naples! Bear told the photographer (from afar), he or she was headed for Hardings Beach in West Chatham! Be sure to take a picture when you see it up there!! Anna
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, MA USA - Wed 06/09/2021 - 20:14:33
Totally agree with you. There's better ways and places they could get their point across.
JudyP
W. Chatham , MA USA - Wed 06/09/2021 - 19:05:16
Looks like the United Cape Patriots are staging a mask protest at Monomoy Middle School this Friday during morning drop off. Seems like a horrible idea all around and a serious traffic safety issue. There's one week of school left AND the department of education already said middle and high schoolers do not need to wear masks in school come the fall. Masks will already officially be 100% done--- even indoors! Why is protesting on school property something that seems appropriate to this group at this point with just 5 days of school left? Regardless of how you feel about masks, bothering parents and kids while they're trying to go into school is a new low, even for this group. Go protest literally anywhere else in town that isn't school property while school is in session and let kids enjoy their last few days of this school year!
Adam L.
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/09/2021 - 18:01:30
My grandfather had an orchard in the area between Independence Lane and Cedar Street. There are very few trees left.
I would also like to comment on the proposed COA building. I have spoken with many fellow natives and have yet to find one to support this article. Few people use the current COA now and very few of us would use the new one. I fear this will become another will become another massive expenditure like the unused community center. We need to get our fellow natives out to vote.

Peter Taylor
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 06/07/2021 - 17:34:51
Agreed Judy. The ridiculous number signs in West Chatham for the COA in front of the Conservation land is totally misleading to the public. The Conservation land belongs to ALL the residents of Chatham and is not in any way part of the COA project and is not for the COA's exclusive use. People should also know that all the trees on both the east and west boundaries of 1610 Main will be cut down and all the trees in the rear within 75 ft of Bearses Pond- for the building and parking lot. The disruption and displacement of wildlife replaced by asphalt should be unacceptable. Once they're gone, it's forever.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Mon 06/07/2021 - 13:27:41
I have never seen such an obnoxious display of political signs on public property. NEVER. Between the COA signs and the Tom Wilson signs - those alone will make me vote NO. I have never seen so many people pulling out everything they can to spend upwards of 11+ million for so few folks to use in such a horrid location.
JudyP
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/07/2021 - 13:13:05
Ned, there were once numerous apple trees on Cedar Street. Most if not all have fallen victim to age and development.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 06/07/2021 - 10:53:21
Folks: A quick horticultural query. Have any of you successfully grown apple trees on the Cape? Grow Zone 7 a. We'd like to grow a couple and wanted some general guidance if possible. Happy to discuss off line. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/07/2021 - 08:29:25
Absentee voting is not permitted for the Town meeting but is for the Town election, one week later.

This is why attendance at the Town meeting is so important to counter the many efforts of those who want a new COA building.

Attend the Town meeting and vote NO on Articles 15 and 16.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/07/2021 - 04:51:46
Love those Charlie Tuttle memories. He was one of those larger than life characters. Anyone recall the confrontation between the allegedly two strongest men in Chatham? Started at the bar between Dick Griffin and Charlie then escalated to the street in front of the New Yorker (Squire). Neither would back off and the police (Pat) had the wisdom not to intervene. Consensus was Charlie won.
ben h
USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 20:16:38
We need a new cost estimate for the COA. $8.4 million is a pipe dream. Lumber and steel are up 30%. The inflation index for 2020 was 1.4. April 2021 is a whopping 4.2. Reason alone to vote "No". Despite multiple requests we've never been given the cost of increased staff that will be necessary for a two story, or the ongoing utility and maintenance costs. You must be present to vote at Town Meeting.
Elaine Gibbs
USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 19:14:09
Bob - I don't believe so but you could check with Julie Smith. You can vote early for the Selectnen though.
Judy P
West Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 18:42:50
Unable to attend next town meeting. Is there any way to cast a vote before the event?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 18:24:17
They must be getting desperate. 15-20 signs placed on the property today at 1610'Main Street. I was told property owner paid for them.
Judy P
West Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 17:54:35
Building a building is one thing but maintenance/upkeep is another.

The Town has consistently shown it does not maintain its cemeteries, its parks, the bike path, the sewers, the roads, and landscaping to name a few items.

Just another reason why a NO vote is appropriate for a new COA building.

Take action, attend the annual Town meeting and vote NO on articles 15 and 16.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 13:17:28
I know we just had Memorial Day, but today is the anniversary of the start of the liberation of Europe. As the sun came up, small, disorganized and often lost, groups of paratroopers were raising hell in the hinterlands whilst the beaches were being stormed by our grandfathers.

I'm sure we have a bunch of folks with family lineage to the massive effort.

JimP
USA - Sun 06/06/2021 - 08:52:06
Back in the early 50's, Charlie Tuttle had a hydroplane sort of boat, (not much good for anything except speed) tied up just North of the Fish Pier. It went adrift up towards Minister's Point,, so several of us young boys walked it back closer to the north end of the pier. Charlie gave me a dime. Actually, that would have been two ice cold Cokes from the vending machine. Fair compensation , I suppose.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/05/2021 - 17:15:59
Charlie Tuttle story.
I was a waitress short order cook at Ron's Sandwich Shop 1965 1966. I always walked from Patten lane to work every morning sometimes it was still dark. One snowy wet sleet filled morning I was halfway there and about to give up- even my boots were wet. Charlie was driving the plow and stopped and offered a ride. I was ever so grateful made the rest of the say less crappy. I say "Hi" to him at Seaside every weekend when I visit family plot and other friends there. But back to Ron's those were the days of a quarter being a big tip! . Bill Bettendorf, John Wago, Kenny Robertson, Dan Keefe, Fred Gilmartin,Holly Ward and many more I have missed.

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/05/2021 - 12:23:24
I once rode a Chatham Highway Department sanding truck, in the back shoveling sand in to the spreader, with Charlie Tuttle driving along the Boulevard., aka Shore Road. It was very cold, and us boys who had been hired were to keep the sand moving to the opening for spreading in the spreader. It was only me in the back of the truck. Charlie was a wild man, and it was very cold. He drove very fast. The dump body lifted up as the sand supply emptied, and I was very concerned that I would be drawn to the opening.
All this for maybe a dollar an hour from the Town of Chatham.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/04/2021 - 18:46:54
Bill P, on a related note, one time my folks were driving up 93 through Boston and were surprised to see Charlie Tuttle thumbing for a ride!
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/04/2021 - 17:48:00
I served in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in 1964 with fellow Hospital Corpsman Alvon Eldredge from Chatham , and in Vietnam in 1970 with an Army COL who had a house in Falmouth. The COL was later ambushed in the daylight and killed by the VC.
One should read a chapter in Dana Eldridge's book about surfcasting at Monomoy in the dark of night, when he recognized a voice he had heard previously in a foxhole in Korea.
Stuff happens that is sometime beyond belief, but I trust Dana to have been an honest storyteller.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/04/2021 - 17:08:41
A true military story, Chatham related.

I was in the military overseas, on alert in a bunker for over 18 hours. After the all clear we were picked up from our locations and guess what. Another Chatham native was also in one of the bunkers. I recognized him, he was a few years older than me and don't know if he knew me. Funny thing is I did not say anything to him . Maybe because I was to tired. I still see him around Chatham, but still have never told him this story. I am being vague on purpose so please don't ask who it is.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/04/2021 - 14:25:31
Just a Chatham story.

Charlie Tuttle story. In the early or mid 70's my friend and I, about 11 years old, were hitchhiking down 28 and Charlie Tuttle picked us up in a station wagon. We got in the back seat and in the very back were 2 big dogs, I think St Bernards. Charlie says in his deep voice "they have not had breakfast yet". We were already scared of old man Tuttle and could not wait for the ride to end.

Back then we always hitchhicked from West and S.Chatham all the time and never though anything about it.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/04/2021 - 14:16:43
Richard, I recall that bumper sticker, that was hilarious (Custer DID have it coming). If ya'll haven't read Mayflower by Nathaniel Philbrick, go read it. An amazing book highlighting our history with the help of the Native Americans - a sad read at the end.

Just finished reading a biography of Crazy Horse by a Lakota historian. A great read....yet very sad. Really laid out the Lakota lifestyle culminating in the death of Crazy Horse by deceit and treachery. The monument to Crazy Horse in the Black Hills is amazing. The Lakota and tribes absolutely refuse to accept government money in the building of it. The entire Mount Rushmore would fit in a small part of Crazy Horse's hair.

JimP
USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 18:48:41
Reading today in the Chronicle about the tree work recommended for properties near the Airport. Does anyone know if the Airport Commission's new plan will allow for larger planes to land? Chatham should have an airport, but I feel the size of the planes should be no larger than are allowed today. Any thoughts?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 18:48:08
I know this is probably a long shot, but has anyone ever seen a photo or know if any exist of the long gone West Chatham depot? I know it was primarily a flag stop for guests of the Hotel Chatham which only existed from 1890-95. I have photos of a few of the other depots on the Chatham spur including the South Chatham. On a related note, the freight shed from the South Chatham depot found it's way to Wychmere Harbor years ago where it is today used by the shellfish department.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 18:22:44
I always respected the bumper sticker that "Flutie" James had on his car: "Custer had it coming." It is time for all of us to recognize the contributions that Native Americans, like the Wampanoags, left for the rest of our ancestors and early settlers.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 18:15:42
Sorry about the second post; the first one was lurking someplace where I couldn't see it.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 17:49:34
KEM, my cousins and I were all brought up saying wampa-KNOW-ag (pronounced like agriculture or wampa-KNOW-ugh. My father was born in 1909 and his parents were born in 1880 and1892 and this was the pronunciation they were taught and used. I have no idea why Mashpee decided to change how to say it.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 17:46:16
KEM, the James family was brought up pronouncing it Wampa-KNOW-ag (as in the word agriculture) or wampa-KNOW-ugh. My father was born in 1909 and he learned it from his parents who were born in 1880 and 1892. I quite honestly don't know why Mashpee decided to alter the pronunciation recently because they always said it the way we did.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/03/2021 - 15:50:05
Jill Could you phonetically let me know how your people pronounced your tribal name. Born and raised in Chatham but not sure I have ever pronounced it correctly.
PS With you on the Chatham Band

KEM
USA - Wed 06/02/2021 - 19:10:07
How many Chathamites know that the CG 36500 left from the Fish Pier, on February 18, 1952 at 1755, she was back at 2050, with 32 survivors from the SS Pendleton. This info is from the report that Bos'n Cluff filed a few days after the event. Forget the Disney movie which I perceive as maybe 25% accurate.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/02/2021 - 17:51:10
The argument has been presented that because there are new Fire and Police buildings that there should be a new COA building.

From a public safety perspective there is absolutely no connection between Fire, Police and COA.

Just another reason why a NO vote is appropriate for a new COA building.

Take action, attend the annual Town meeting and vote NO on articles 15 and 16.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/01/2021 - 18:40:05
I always wondered about the Brown -James - Buck name for the VFW Post. As a Vietnam veteran, I never felt I was in the same league as a WWII or Korean War veteran. All gave some, some gave all.
The troops these days are much better equipped, and paid.. And lest we forget, they are all volunteers. As I was.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/01/2021 - 17:47:07
Guess I'll be fighting to get our tribal name pronounced the way I was brought up to say it till the day I die. That and making sure that the word "town" isn't added to the name of the Chatham Band should keep me busy. It was nice to hear some background about the men for whom the VFW is named. My Uncle Rolie also graduated from Chatham High School but only because my grandmother threatened to sit next to him in school until he did. He was smart, but hated the confines of the classroom.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 06/01/2021 - 13:47:37
Please sure to watch the Chatham channel 18 Memorial day virtual presentation on you tube. Very nicely done - includes nice tribute to VFW 75th-- finally 'met' James, Brown,and Buck. One of the better Memorial Days but do miss the parade stopping at each memorial.
Susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/01/2021 - 08:58:56
Folks: Summer is finally here! Tomorrow the sun sets at 8:08 p.m. If anyone is up for it, for those of us in Chatham, let's meet up in the parking lot of the Oyster Pond around 7:00 p.m. Bring a cold beverage of your choice (e.g., coke) and we can briefly meet and chat about our incredible town and watch the sunset. Julie and I will be there. Hope to see some some of you Chat-M-Room family members there too.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/31/2021 - 21:57:14
As I have posted before, all seven men of the Class of 1957 did join one service or another, and did serve honorably, at least initially. There was a draft on back then, so our choices were the Army, or something different.
One , Eddie Johnson, chose the Army.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/31/2021 - 17:57:45
One of my best friends from high school and I both had uncles who were killed serving their country in WWII. She was named for them both and VFW Post 8607 bears their names as well as that of the third Chatham man who gave his life.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 05/31/2021 - 10:48:53
Folks: On this historic day, does anyone have any cool stories about Chatham people that served in WWl, WWll, Korea, Vietnam or any of the more recent Middle East Campaigns? My dad served in the South Pacific with the 345th Air Apache's (B-25 Squadron) and had some friends down here that also served. I seem to remember him telling me that Slim Hutchens (sp?) and Gunny Eldridge had both served with distinction. Whenever I read obituaries in the CCC, I often note some amazing military service records of Chatham based folks. Fascinating. Some real hero's live amongst us.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/31/2021 - 10:08:46
Happy Memorial Day to all and especially to those who served (or continue to) our nation in uniform. We owe a great deal to you all.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/31/2021 - 08:36:41
Rich, yes, we were so lucky as a family not to have lost our fisherman dad to the perils of the sea. Many times Dad would be late coming in from fishing and Mom would tell us to eat our supper while she made her way down to the "lights" to see if she could see him in the dark with running lights on, coming in. In the meantime we were at home eating, but quite silent as we hoped upon hope that all was well with Dad. It is a tough life, that of a fisherman.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/30/2021 - 19:44:23
Anna, My sincere condolences for your sad loss. I know you helped Alden a great deal as a loving sister would do. Sending you my love.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/30/2021 - 19:43:04
Enjoy the "three day No'theaster". Never Nor'easter, as we didn't , and don't, use rolling r's very well. That former pronunciation is how I heard the Chatham fishermen speak as a kid while my Dad was working on trawl lines during days like today, in the Middle Stall at the Chatham Fish Pier. Open to any fisherman who needed a place to work. Complete with a pot belly stove. Broken used wood fish boxes for fuel.. My vocabulary was enhanced by being there, just listening.

Jim P, and others . I didn't know Laurel, but I can appreciate your heartfelt sentiments for the loss of a classmate.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/30/2021 - 17:24:31
John, Laurel was a classmate of mine and a few others on here. My God...that woman was a fighter!!! She fought this for the last several years....always tough....never complaining...and always with a strength of character and poise that humbled me. The last several years I'd check in with her and she was always upbeat, confident, and hopeful. She will be dearly missed, but her character and behavior was such an inspirational example....that one could only aspire to match. She will continue to live on in our memories by her strength and the example she set. What a strong woman.......

Laurel, you are already missed.

JimP
USA - Sun 05/30/2021 - 15:04:28
FYI - Just saw via Facebook that very early this morning, on her birthday, Laurel Tileston passed away after a long battle with cancer. I went to school here briefly with her brother Zach who played saxophone in Chatham Band.
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham , MA USA - Sun 05/30/2021 - 13:56:46
How about the deplorable conditions of each of the cemeteries? I originally emailed Jill on Mother's Day when I spent several hours cleaning my family's plot. She responded "Thank you for letting me know". I was there this past Friday again. DPW is supposed to oversee maintenance. Piled debris from Christmas and branches blown all over all the cemeteries. If Ms. Goldsmith has time to complete a 21 page job application to Clearwater Florida, she should make time to ensure the cemeteries look presentable. There are a lot of loved ones visiting the graves this weekend and the cemeteries are in awful shape.
Judy P <judylpat@rcn.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/30/2021 - 11:30:36
Funny things in Town:
Voting on COA for 8.5 m which is too much but with year old guesstimates. Everything building is through the roof. What's the new cost, 10, 11 or more. Who knows. Vote NO.
Town Manager in application for Clearwater job describes Chatham position as being the "Cooler" in Patrick Swayze movie Road House. Jill "the cooler" Goldsmith. What's up with that? Maybe time for change.
Better times ahead but too much, too fast will come back and bite us.

Jimmy D
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/29/2021 - 19:33:22
So sorry to hear of the passing of Alden. Another loss of a kind, gentle and caring Chatham "boy"---sending love and sympathy to Anna and family.
Betsy Matteson Crowell <marbet73@aol.com>
Litchfield, ME USA - Sat 05/29/2021 - 18:08:22
All: Many thanks for all the great job leads. Wow, easier to get a job this summer than when I was a kid here. Julie and I are much obliged.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/29/2021 - 14:48:27
Friends: We need some guidance. One of our boys (Banner 20) just got to Chatham for the summer. He's a great kid and is looking for a summer job. If anyone has any thoughts on how he can get a job on water (e.g., CBI boat duty or something) please let us know offline. Hard working kid, polite, big and strong and has nice parents. ; ) Many thanks for your kind consideration.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/28/2021 - 22:14:19
Anna: Our sincere condolences to you and your family. Please keep us all posted as to any memorial services or donation funds. Tough time to lose close family. Peace.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/28/2021 - 21:19:37
Anna, My sincere condolences for your sad loss. I know you helped Alden a great deal as a loving sister would do. Sending you my love.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/28/2021 - 21:13:59
Alden took a beautiful photo of Dave Ryder rowing to his boat on the mooring at sunrise, with the Old Harbor Station in the background. Before 1978 for sure. Alden was a talented man. Sorry Anna, for your loss of another brother.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/28/2021 - 16:52:44
Anna, so sorry to hear about Alden, was he still living in Chatham? Have you and Bruce found a place up here?
Sylvia and Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/28/2021 - 14:34:21
Some of you may remember my brother, Alden Olson. He recently died at the age of 70. Anna Olson Woodland
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, MA USA - Fri 05/28/2021 - 11:39:31
Roadwork at night?
Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/27/2021 - 20:59:02
Anyone know whats going on by the new rotary's? Single lane driving and trucks being pulled out Thursday 8 to 9 or so.
Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/27/2021 - 20:56:59
Ben H:
There is another verse to the Navy Hymn written for airmen, like yourself. "Lord guard and guide the men who fly - "etc.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/27/2021 - 17:05:38
Yes, when I was in Navy boot camp in late 1959, the first time I had heard the Navy Hymn was then. I was probably homesick and I did tearfully think of my Dad, one of those" in peril on the sea."
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/26/2021 - 18:54:53
Great news about the 4th of July Parade John. I have a good feeling it'll be the best one yet!
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/25/2021 - 22:22:50
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea.

When I was a young midshipman in the choir we would sing what was known as the "Navy Hymn" every Sunday. I would always think of Chatham, its fishermen and families. Impressive to read Nancy's memories on here.

ben h
USA - Tue 05/25/2021 - 20:00:21
From Chronicle Twitter feed just now: " On a 4-1 vote tonight, the Chatham Select Board decided to proceed with this year's IndepenenceDay parade. It will be held on Saturday, July 3 at 9:30 a.m., along the usual route."
J Hallgren (as user)
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/25/2021 - 19:25:58
Nancy, nicely said, and from your heart.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/25/2021 - 19:10:35
Rich, yes, we were so lucky as a family not to have lost our fisherman dad to the perils of the sea. Many times Dad would be late coming in from fishing and Mom would tell us to eat our supper while she made her way down to the "lights" to see if she could see him in the dark with running lights on, coming in. In the meantime we were at home eating, but quite silent as we hoped upon hope that all was well with Dad. It is a tough life, that of a fisherman.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/25/2021 - 18:35:51
The Select Board has approved a mandatory water restrictions for the Town.

A bigger COA building in West Chatham will use (waste) more water and natural resources than the current building.

Vote NO for a new COA at the upcoming annual Town meeting.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/25/2021 - 07:18:48
Yes, John S.
I am acutely aware of the loss of the men from the Fishing Vessel Cachalot. Archie Nickerson and the Dad of Murray Larkin. My sister Nancy later married Murray. I was ten at the time of the boat tripping at the Chatham Bar., but it is seared in my memory. How could it not be, when my Dad traversed the same Chatham Bar for so many years. The David Ryder family was only a step away from losing our Dad. He did have his close calls.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/24/2021 - 19:21:27
Richard Ryder. Re those lost at sea. A few of your sister's and my classmates' (class of '53) fathers were lost at sea. No monument but they all live on in our memories.
John S.
Gettysburg, PA USA - Mon 05/24/2021 - 19:02:42
Ned, you are referring to the Wm. Mack obelisk, honoring those men who perished in the Monomoy disaster in 1902. Some of those men were Life-Savers. There is no particular memorial in Chatham or on the Cape that I know of that lists all those lost at sea.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/24/2021 - 10:05:18
Hey Richard: Many thanks again for all the invaluable data on navigating the Chatham - Cape Cod Bay round trip. Incredibly helpful. BTW, it was raining here in Spring, Texas, yesterday so we watched the movie "The Perfect Storm" again. Great flick. You USCG guys are something else. By any measure, true heros. Where in Chatham do they list the names of all the lost souls at sea? Is it up at Chatham Light to the right of the USCG Cutter?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/23/2021 - 21:29:09
Ned, you haven't had all the Texas washed off you yet. What would Texas do...??

Everything has opened up down here; no deaths; infectious rate plummeting; grocery stores don't even require masks anymore.

If ya'll want a parade....throw a parade. Just my opinion only - not trying to trigger anyone with micro aggressions in a cis-gendered, patriarchal, non-binary manner. :)

JimP
USA - Sun 05/23/2021 - 20:07:16
All: Potentially promising news about the 4th of July Parade. Appreciate the heads-up. Do you Chatham citizens recommend that we send anyone (perhaps the Town Manager) a polite email stating our personal views? I'm not a Physician, yet, with some basic common sense practices in place, it may be time to reinstate the parade. I think it would be a real shot in the arm (no pun intended) for our community (citizens and businesses). Just one Wash-A-Shores opinion.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/23/2021 - 12:19:57
Ned, the parade is not dead yet. Both the BOH and the IDPC have voted to rescind their recommendations to cancel the parade and the Select Board will be voting on the matter this Tuesday.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/23/2021 - 10:58:48
pete

I agree! I vote for Ms Patterson

kaytee <Fritos800@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 18:21:00
One more thing. Leaving Chatham, going through any marginally viable cut you choose, heading to P Town, then to the Canal? Be sure you have a good weather window, There is absolutely NO place to hide leaving Chatham and heading to Provincetown. Make sure your VHF radio is able to talk to the USCG. Forget relying on a cell phone.
Been there. done that as have brother Bob Ryder and many others..

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 17:28:13
The Brothers were not unlike the Chatham Fishermen's float, who filled a dory with sea water and bailed the dory out along the route. All in good fun then. Now? Not so sure there wouldn't be some restraint over what was then seemingly innocuous behavior.
We were all born wet!

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 17:11:36
Ned: Several years ago, I piloted the CG36500 from Rock Harbor to Cuttyhunk, and back, through the Canal. This doesn't quite fit your constraints, but I will say that you absolutely must consult the tide /current tables put out by the Army Corps of Engineers for the Canal. We did 12.6 knots with a fair current, with an 8 knot boat. You MUST pay attention to those tables. We went from Cuttyhunk at 0900 and arrived at Rock Harbor at 1600 the same day.
The DUKW you mention was owned by the Thompson Brothers of "The Clam Bar" fame in Harwich. It was not a USCG vehicle, although Chatham CG Station had both DUKW's and LARC's assigned at various times. The Brothers filled the vessel with water, then turned on the bilge pumps when near a crowd on the parade route.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 16:38:50
One more quick query. Has anyone in the Chat M Room ever taken a boat (sail or power) from Chatham, counter clockwise wise, up the coast, through the Cape Cod Canal and back to Chatham? If so, how long did it take and was it amazing? We'd appreciate hearing a bit about it.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 15:39:57
All: I too agree with Richard. The USCG have long been unsung hero's up and down the Eastern Seaboard of the USA. Tough news about the 4th of July Parade. It's always been my favorite Chatham event since the 1960s. Phillips Farms had the most amazing floats year after year. Does anyone know who the creative person was that crafted those floats? What a talent. Additionally, that old USCG Duck (sp?) was always a favorite with us kids. Richard, do you happen to know what happened to that old rig? Speaking of old rigs, I needed a cool old truck for our Chatham place and bought one on Wednesday up in Sioux Falls, SD (the things us car guys do to find a rust free vehicle!). In any event, we'll be in Chatham the next few weeks and then I'm going to get the truck and drive her east to Chatham. It should be an adventure. Does anyone know if there are any historical events taking place between now and the first week of June? Looking for something interesting and historical if possible. Any guidance appreciated. Ben, many thanks for the kind words.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 15:24:31
I Agree With Richard. The US Coast Guard knows more of what their job is than anyone on the board of Selectman.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/22/2021 - 11:15:42
I wish the Chatham SelectBoard would give some slack to the US Coast Guard. The USCG not only looks after the Chatham fishing fleet as well as recreational boats, but is responsible for maritime incidents that occur in Nantucket Sound, year round. All the way to Hyannis. Keep in mind that almost no boats operate out of the Fish Pier in the winter. This is contrary to what was happening in the 50's and 60's, when surf capable boats were assigned. And Chatham fishermen went out year round. If the seas are so high, who would expect prudent fishermen would be underway ?
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/21/2021 - 19:09:57
I respect the comments of both Justin and JimP about the parade/freedom/etc. The beauty of a free country is that you get to voice your opinion. John S raises a worthwhile point about having rights vs doing what's right. Exercising rights is important to maintaining a free society. At the same time, doing something that is meant to be in the best interest of the society as a whole also has merit. World War II would have been a much tougher row to hoe without those who didn't hesitate to sign up and fight, as well as those who stayed behind and worked in factories that were converted by Uncle Sam to produce equipment/weapons etc. to help the US prevail. Doubtless there were many who didn't particularly want to fight or spend their days making ammunition and plane parts, but they did it anyway. Was it the "right" thing to do? In their minds, it was. I think it's fair to say we might not have prevailed without their action. One wonders if that same national spirit would show itself again under similar circumstances. Covid has threatened the world (not just us). Sometimes it takes sacrifice to overcome great obstacles. Perhaps making a sacrifice can be viewed as the ultimate expression of exercising one's rights.
Bruce
USA - Thu 05/20/2021 - 09:41:55
I wonder If someone like Miss Paterson would like to run?
pete
USA - Wed 05/19/2021 - 14:57:37
I wonder if someone like Miss Paterson would like to run.
What do yer think?

pete
USA - Wed 05/19/2021 - 14:54:19
I was stopped in traffic in the West Chatham debacle the other day and watched the paved walk way and curbing being torn up.

Construction material (plywood, 2 x 4's, concrete, etc.) costs have increased at least 30% since the beginning of the year. Good chance the $8.3 million COA building will exceed $10 million. We do not need another West Chatham debacle.

Take action and vote NO at the upcoming Chatham Town meeting.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/19/2021 - 06:20:21
Big difference between having a right to do and what is right to do.
John S
Gettysburg, USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 21:23:35
Justin - ya'll figure out what type of government you want. Don't look to any documents for permission; the Constitution is a protection of things the government may NOT infringe. It grants no rights. You own them as a free-man. Look to the West towards Lexington and Concord for more. Talk to your history teacher. Exercise your freedoms and your rights as a free-man. They are fleeting and require constant vigilance.
JimP
USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 20:31:41
Jim, first and foremost, thank you for your service. I truly mean that and I don't want anything I'm about to say detract from that.

Yes, the 4th of July parade is about celebrating our independence. But I don't recall there being an article or an amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing a right to a parade. I have a friend who is a history teacher, I'll have to ask him if I've missed something. Sure, if you want to pay for a parade yourself and hold it on your property, I guess you don't have to "ask the government's permission". But if you want the town to find a parade and hold it on town roads, with a town police detail, unfortunately, you do.

Can we all just take a deep breath about the parade for a second? The Board of Health and Parade Committee made what they felt were the best recommendations at the time based on the information we had at the time. The Select Board then acted on those recommendations. New information has come out. The BOH has already rescinded their recommendation. The Parade Committee will meet Friday to discuss if we would like to do the same. The Select Board will then discuss the matter next Tuesday. Let that process play out before we get all worked up.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 19:56:41
I was going to just shut up but will say this...: I certainly respect Creighton and others' decisions to not attend the parade. That is their choice and an informed decision from a free person. But the "parade" is held in honor of us overthrowing an unrepresentative and overbearing government. You don't need to ask their damned permission to celebrate your liberty. In fact, asking permission to celebrate violates the very liberty you are supposed to be celebrating. YOU people are free. Throw a parade to celebrate your independence. Don't want to attend? Don't. But I'll be damned if I go to the "government" with hat-in-hand and ask their permission to do a damned thing. I fought for this country for 36 years. I don't need to ask them a damned thing as to how I celebrate my freedom. They answer to me, not me to them.
JimP
USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 18:48:37
The parade committee has been planning all year for the possibility of a Virtual or Live Parade. If the decision is made to reinstate the parade, we will be prepared for it. I just want everyone to know these decisions take time. Gov Baker announced the new guidelines Monday, we can't immediately say "ok there's a parade". The Board of Health took the first step Monday. The IDPC will meet Friday, and then the final decision is on the hands of the Select Board. Just be patient.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 12:32:58
I tend to agree with Crayton. My plan is to just stay home as it is each person's choice in "all this." However, if the parade is going to happen, a lot more time and planning has been thrust on the parade committee (already 2 short)as well as Police, Fire, DPW, etc-- all to do in about 6 weeks versus the months planning during" normal" times.
As a volunteer in another organization, I know how much planning needs to be done for an event to happen ( as I was once told by a parent, in a eye opening awareness, " silly me, I thought pot luck suppers just happen!! "
It is easy to be spectator, but someone , somewhere makes the event happen!!

Susie <susiefishback@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 11:04:27
I know I'm not going to be popular with this but my feeling is not to have the parade this year. There will be too many people and you can't do social distancing even if you want to. I believe other towns around us have canceled theirs parades and if you get 30,000 people here and the virus uptick again it could ruin the rest of the summer. It's too close of a time line to do it. Maybe if something late summer or fall would be better and let's see how the Cape league and band concert work out with smaller crowds.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/18/2021 - 09:55:26
Bill I can read just fine thank you. If you would like to get involved in the planning, you would know how much goes into it. Our recommendation to cancel was based on the guidance that restrictions wouldn't be lifted until August 1st. Over the course of the pandemic, no date Governor Baker has set has been moved UP. We felt it was important to make the decision now so that we could focus on creating a really great virtual parade. I, personally, am thrilled that the date was moved up. We will be discussing that at our meeting Friday (again, two seats open if you'd like to help). The BOH voted tonight to rescind their recommendation to cancel the parade. I hope the Select Board will do the same either this week or next. Things can change, just not immediately.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 19:59:18
The T was for typo
ben h
USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 19:56:15
Here's a shout out to Ned Chapman and familyT - I've never met him but I want to say that ever since he returned,his every post on here has been interesting and positive. Always encouraging others and always upbeat. That kind of attitude is infectious and spreads to the rest of the room. Thank you Ed I look forward to meeting you one day and sharing memories of Ministers Point and North Chatham where I grew up.
ben h
USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 19:53:59
Justin, I was not criticizing the parade. Learn to read. I said the parade was canceled early. And I was right, Per the Governors announcement today. Glad to hear the Board of Health reverse themselves.
Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 19:23:34
As FYI at this afternoon's meeting the BOH did away with the downtown and other mask mandates effective immediately and also rescinded their previous recommendation that the parade be cancelled.
Steve West <steve.e.west@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 19:14:33
I have a question. Does anyone know if the benches at the Lighthouse lookout were removed for COVID or are they being refurbished?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 17:56:42
Being formerly in the public health care field, (US Navy Medical Department x 20years) I support the Chatham Board of Health. All you have to do is check the various counties across the U.S. and their Covid infection rates. This is available on line for the whole country, by county statewide. Barnstable county is doing well. Some counties in upstate NY are not doing so well, and this is where so many of the Cape visitors come from. Be especially wary of some counties in WV and PA, not that we see those folks often.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 17:26:53
Plans can always change. It's easy to sit back and criticize when you don't know what goes into everything.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 17:11:01
To help with the canceled parade?
Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 17:01:34
Bill,

There are 2 open seats on the parade committee if you'd like to help.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 15:57:19
Looks like the parade was canceled a wee bit early. Will our health board finally stand down?

Also any road work at the lights downtown is just crazy. Just reprogram the lights to add left turn signals.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 12:20:35
As a long-time lurker who enjoys the various discussion topics, today I'd like to introduce a new one. The Chatham Anglers are excited to bring top tier college baseball back to Chatham this summer. We have worked with the Town to develop protocols to make our games safe for our players and our fans. Our season starts June 20th and this is where I need your help. We are a few beds short of our player summer housing needs. If you, or anyone you know, is interested in housing Angler player(s) this summer (we pay $100/wk/per player) please email me. My wife and I have hosted for 10 years and it's been a great experience. I'll gladly give the full sales pitch to anyone who contacts me.
Steve West <steve.e.west@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/17/2021 - 12:08:33
Ned Chapman. I remember Walter and Mary Fiebelkorn (sp?). I delivered papers to them ca. '50-'51. They had a pet skunk which they found on N. Beach. Mary was a supervisor at the NET&T on Old Harbor RD, if my ancient memory serves. Walt's brother, Otto who lived next door, owned a cottage also on that lane by the Oyster Pond which we rented when back in Chatham summer of '70.
John M. Stevenson <jmstevenson@pa.net>
Gettysburg, PA USA - Sun 05/16/2021 - 08:34:45
Ned Chapman. I remember Walter and Mary Fiebelkorn (sp?). I was delivered papers to them ca. '50-'51. They had a pet skunk which they found on N. Beach. Mary was a supervisor at the NET&T on Old Harbor RD, if my ancient memory serves. Walt's brother, Otto who lived next door, and owned a cottage also on that lane by the Oyster Pond which we rented when back in Chatham summer of '70.
John M. Stevenson <jmstevenson@pa.net>
Gettysburg, PA USA - Sun 05/16/2021 - 08:32:51
Richard: Wow, neat story. We were all very fond of Carl. I miss that chowder too. Anna certainly has an impressive Chatham background. Speaking of plumbers, does anyone remember Walter and Mary Febercorn (sp)? They were very fine people and she made wonder hats and mittens.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/15/2021 - 20:03:06
Ned: I don't know about Bruce, but Anna graduated from Chatham High School probably in the early 50's. They used to own the Northport Restaurant in North Chatham before they moved to Fl. Anna's parents owned the Reliance Motel in West Chatham, and her Dad Axel was a plumber in town. Her brother Carl was the Chowderman.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/15/2021 - 17:08:40
Anna and Bruce: Welcome back for summer 2021! How long have you two kids been coming to Chatham? We hope to meet you folks this summer. Dan: You'll appreciate this car story. We need a 4x4 truck for Chatham. The last one rusted out. To this end, I'm currently combing the classifieds down here in Texas to buy an old (rust free classic) Ford pick-up. I plan to grab something for under $10K and drive her up to Chatham with a couple of pals next month. For us classic car guys, it's hard to find solid old cars in Massachusetts. Speaking of which, Dan do you still have that beautiful red Ford Falcon convertible? That's a great car. There are some neat old cars in Chatham that seem to appear each summer. Does anyone know of any cool stories about old cars in our town that they can share? I know that my friend and neighbor Tommy Doane is certainly a cool car guy!
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/15/2021 - 00:04:57
It will be a welcome back, Ann and Bruce
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/12/2021 - 15:48:56
Thanks y'all for not causing any issues while I was traveling up here! Only about a 30 degree drop in temperatures from FL!
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S Chatham , MA USA - Tue 05/11/2021 - 09:59:18
Bruce and I expect to be returning to Cape Cod in the near future as to be closer to our daughter, Debbie Connors. Bruce, now 92, has had two heart transplants some years ago, stents, and has congestive heart disorder now. We need to find a very good cardiologist on Cape Cod. If anyone can recommend one, from your own experience or that of a close family member, please let us know. Thank you very much. Anna Woodland
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, MA USA - Mon 05/10/2021 - 20:09:42
This is way beyond interesting. I have spent many hours as a docent at Old Harbor Station. Early on, when I was there by myself, I had hoped to hear a voice from my Grandfather, Richard E.. Didn't happen, yet.
Looking forward to being a docent again, even if it is a limited experience for visitors.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 17:57:05
The second paragraph was in reference to the Coast Guard Station.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 17:55:02
Chapmans, I had an unusual experience of my own while painting the interior of Charlie Weston's old house over fifteen years ago. I'll have to share with you sometime.

There have been spectral sightings told to me by numerous enlisted personnel, when I was with the Flotilla there. One Boatswains Mate told me of how he was taking a nap on the couch in the lounge, and awakened by something brushing by on his leg. He looked up to see a translucent figure pass between he and the t.v. and then move behind the couch and out the door.

The Congregational Church is known to have strange occurrences, as did the old Main Street School. I was told John Custodie was shaken up one night alone in the building, when he heard the balls on the pool table break by themselves.

Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 17:44:34
Folks: A few of us were swapping Cape Cod ghost stories back and forth earlier this week. According to some reasonable minded and sound Chat M Room participants, there are a fair number of restless spirits in some of the elegant old homes in Chatham and Orleans. Does anyone have a good ghostly tale they can share? I understand that both the Eldridge Library and the Congregational Church have had sightings over the years. When I was a kid we had a place in North Chatham with a few acres of land. We 7 kids lived outside all summer long and camped out a lot. On those full moon evenings the property was very mystical and seemed to have a unplaceable energy snapping in the summer air. In any event, the old place was sold in the 1980s and in the early 2000s it was demolished and stately Jay Gadsby type structure replaced it. Apparently a fairly sizable group of Native Americans were found buried there. All 7 of us Chapman kids were not surprised.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 13:21:28
A hearty, healthy and happy Mother's Day to all the Mothers and Grandmothers in the Chat M Room. Today is an important day to remember all that they do. I sure miss my Mom who used to love bombing around Chatham in her bright yellow Jeep Wagoneer. She was so much fun. On a separate note, be sure to welcome the West family back in town from Austin. John H. Hope the trip is going smoothly, let us all know when you get to town safely.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 08:35:52
I like the new east-west landing strip lights for Chatham Airport out in front of Larry's PX.
pete
USA - Sun 05/09/2021 - 05:51:39
Ned and Julie - Sear's Point is a possibility... not much room to park though. There once was a makeshift road/path from Lienau Drive toward Stetson Cove during the 1960's and 1970's, but a lot has changed since then! Maybe Stetson Cove Lane or Cedar Crest. Good luck.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/08/2021 - 08:40:37
The lights in West Chatham look like the ones Hyannis installed in the high crime neighborhood of Gen Patton and Hiramar Roads.

Select board voted again to move the Crowell Road intersection project forward. They don't want to lose out on state funding. There will still be another public hearing. How much do you want to bet that at that hearing, the select board will say "we have now spent all this money on the project, it would be foolish not to move forward"-it just keeps happening. The select board works for the taxpayer. I don't see a lot of taxpayer support for this project. Very frustrating!

Amy
USA - Sat 05/08/2021 - 08:35:38
Folks: Need a small bit of guidance. Can any of the Chat M Room gang possibly send me a side email with a recommendation of a house cleaner? We just need someone to come in every couple of weeks and we pay well. A solid lead is good for a free lunch at Squire or Larry's (your choice) Many thanks for your kind consideration.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/07/2021 - 09:11:09
Bill P. I agree with you. I cannot wait to see them lit.
Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 22:49:09
Does anyone else think the new lights between the new roundabouts look out of place? They would look nice in chase park.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 19:13:29
Alan:
MGH is two hours away from Eastham, on a good day.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 17:16:40
Cynthia: Yes, we were directed to it and checked it out. Nice piece to f realty. Many thanks. We also heard there is another "public" path down to the water "that looks private but is not" somewhere on the neck. Does anyone have any idea where that may be? Not sure if it's on the Stetson Cove side or the Wheelwright Beach side. Sorry for all the wacky geographical venue questions; just trying to get our bearings in the new neighborhood. Doane Road wasn't so wooded!
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 16:01:35
I"m no Dr., however I understand the men and woman who Study and Work at the 3 Hospitals develop and perfect these procedures, sometimes spend a life time doing so. They are the best and when something goes astray, the Drs and these hospitals are the most equipped to adapt. In the case of MassGen, their collaboration with Harvard produce some of best outcomes. And just think, they are only about and Hr. and 20 min. away.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 14:47:33
Ned & Julie
I have not seen an answer here to your path question on Cedar street. I just got a reply from "Julie"
There is a path bordered by split rail fence into the property between 123 and 129 Cedar St. It is Shortly before Robinson Court if you are headed down Cedar St from Stage Harbor Rd. There is a small oval sign."
Hope this helps. I will be driving by it .

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 12:28:14
Richard: Don had his aortic valve replaced March 26 this year by going in through his blood vessels. Left him at the hospital on Friday and picked him up on Sunday, fully ambulatory and feeling fine. After three weeks his shortness of breath had disappeared. Amazing procedure.
Elizabeth a Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Thu 05/06/2021 - 08:32:37
HI RICHARD... I had two heart attacks, one in 2012, had an angio plasty,my second attack was in 2013 had a stent.. I was well pleased with both operations at CCH. Go for it Good Buddy..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 19:56:45
Folks:
Do not doubt anything about CCH that has been said. However the top hospitals in the country are the Mayo Clinic, the Clev. Clinic and MG. I speak from experience, MG saved my life.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 19:53:01
Thanks to favorable words from Tony, and others, as well as my own experience, I will choose Cape Cod Hospital for my next cardiac procedure. I don't get the impression that they are second best. The logistics of pre-op and post-op visits are also favorable.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 17:48:04
Allen, the heart center at Cape Cod Hospital is top shelf. My surgeon split his time between MG and CCH. you are in very good hands a in Hyannis
Tony
USA - Wed 05/05/2021 - 16:22:20
Richard:

You have very close to you, one of the best "heart Hospitals in the entire USA, I would say within the top 10 and perhaps the top 5-Mass Gen. in Boston.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 21:06:10
The last of the old Clark house on Cockle Cove Rd disappeared yesterday. That corner looks a lot different.
Jared Fulcher
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 18:50:17
Any fellow Chathamite have any experience with the new type of minimally invasive aortic valve replacement vs open heart surgery?
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 17:42:25
Safe travels John!
Jennifer
USA - Tue 05/04/2021 - 07:35:41
FYI - I will be leaving Clearwater on Wednesday so my access to this site while on trip to Cape is quite limited (generally at night only) so if something goes wrong, be aware I may not know or can do anything about it until Monday.

I also want to separately publicly thank and acknowledge the Chapman's donation to the GoFundMe for Officer Little! Maybe they saw it via here?

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 20:40:03
Glad this system is not employed in the Cardiac Care ICU at Cape Cod Hospital.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 17:50:50
Wayne, I had noticed that and while I have coding to try and prevent it, it seems sometimes to not catch it. However, it can only attempt to detect it when it's the very next post. So, I am wondering if on some devices, the page isn't getting refreshed by user when it normally would. I have noticed on my iPad that a post doesn't show up and I can't do a 'force refresh' using Safari.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 14:37:40
John, duplicate posts have happened several times lately. Some from Emily also.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 14:19:06
FYI- I am wondering if Nancy's post around noon today is a duplicate because it's virtually identical to hers from last Thursday?
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 13:41:39
Bill P, My brother Richard is unable to answer at this time. He is in CCH, unexpectedly preparing for a heart procedure tomorrow.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 11:56:38
In case some haven't seen this by other ways, like Facebook or such, here's a link to a fund for CPD Officer Bill Little who had a stroke last week:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/stroke-recovery-fund-for-officer-bill-little

J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 10:06:52
Welcome back on deck Richard! Glad to hear that you are on the mend.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/03/2021 - 09:35:56
Richard, did you know one of the doctors in the ICU was a Chatham commercial shell fisherman when he was younger. I don't want to name him for privacy reasons.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 21:08:48
Hey Richard All the old farts talk about are medical problems so I will simply welcome you to the pacemaker club If its any reassurance I'm in my fourth year. Did you know there is a special button you can push to redirect electric impulses to other organs in times of need? Not covered by medicare and costs extra but well worth it. Just sayin
ben h
USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 20:34:00
Heck Richard:
3 days, I thought you eat nails for breakfast and would be walking around 1 day afterwards. Glad to see you are up and about. The larger question, did this object placed in you, increase your pep? And did this all of a sudden come about or had this be some lingering thing?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 19:49:09
When at CCH, I was bedridden for 3 days. When I did get up and was able to look out the complete window, I could see the original gold leafed roof topping, which has been saved from the original CCH building where so many of us started out as Cape Codders.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 17:37:27
Stage Island, April 30th, 1957

Explorer Post 71 of Chatham was asked to rid Stage Island, Chatham of junk cars. After cutting the cars up with acetylene torches, the Post used a scow from Des Eldredge to remove iron pieces to the mainland for sale to a junk dealer. The site was next door to the Coast Guard Boathouse.
( I am not sure who took the photo -- might have been Verne Hunt) Too bad so many of those guys have passed on. I have the names if anyone is interested.
Yes, I am back home from the CCH Cardio ICU with a pacemaker.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/01/2021 - 17:20:56
Nancy, I hope he will be OK.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 22:51:39
Sending good thoughts to Richard the "rock" of our room
ben h
USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 22:24:46
Bill P, My brother Richard is unable to answer at this time. He is in CCH, unexpectedly preparing for a heart procedure tomorrow.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 20:48:31
How about a little back story on that photo.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 19:43:00
Richard Ryder, you are in the chronicle this week. Bob also.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 19:38:36
Ned & Julie Cedar st conservation lands-from town web site
F Cedar Street 3-acres with mowed trails and fruit trees. Park at Oyster Pond and walk south on Stage Harbor Road turning right onto Cedar Street. The signed entrance is on the left, marked with a split rail fence.

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 08:01:33
Cedar swamp?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/29/2021 - 06:34:32
Folks: Does anyone know where the Conservation Land is on the south side of Cedar Street? Saw it on a map and can't find it easily. It's not off Black Duck is it? Any guidance appreciated.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/28/2021 - 17:56:56
Oh, okay....me too.

Fish-er net stockings.

Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/28/2021 - 10:26:44
Town Team under lights??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Tue 04/27/2021 - 21:03:28
Town team practicing under the lights??
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Tue 04/27/2021 - 20:34:29
Well said Richard, and right on!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 20:31:16
Anne Doane's Grandfather, Joseph C Kelley, was the youngest man to ever have served as a Keeper in the US Life-Saving service.
Anne was my Prom Date at Chatham High when we met at the Chatham Bars Inn, ca 1957.
I am not making this stuff up.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 17:54:32
How could I have forgotten Ralph Nickerson, from Cedar Street. ? And his Mother Gladys, who I worked with at Ruby's Laundry and Dry Cleaning Shop in West Chatham . I think Anne Doane worked there in the summer, as did Betty Boop" Bearse.
I had no idea at the time that all of us at Ruby's had connections with the U.S Life Saving Service, the precursor of the US Coast Guard.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 17:43:21
Ned and Julie:
Back in the day, in the 50's, Cedar Street was inhabited by the Roger Nickerson Family at the western end, a CPA, a Bearse family, as well as the Wesley and Jeanette Small family on the other end, closer to Stage Harbor Road. My mother gave Jeanette clothes for her kids that we had outgrown. Roger ("Pickwick", like in ale) Nickerson and his wife Gladys, had children but I can't remember their names. Brother Bob lived at the very end of Cedar Street in a home owned by Rev. Steve Smith., the Methodist Church Minister who later went to Wellfleet. He officiated at sister Nancy's wedding, in Wellfleet.

The income level of Cedar Street inhabitants has certainly changed.

Just in case folks don't know, there are no such things as Snipes to hunt. Like looking for a Sea Bat in the US Navy.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/26/2021 - 16:54:06
Courtesy heads up. We've been unpacking boxes here on Cedar Street from a recent move. If anyone needs any good solid cardboard boxes and packing paper, send me an email. Happy to pass them along to someone in the Chat M Room family. Hate to just send them to the dump. Tommy and Linda Doane, many thanks for the loan of your power drill. Will get it back to you tomorrow. Jim: Thanks for the tip on the Morris Island snipes. Bagged 7 and we had them for dinner with risotto and a nice red.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/25/2021 - 23:17:19
Baseball game on Veterans Field this afternoon. Warms the heart!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/24/2021 - 16:16:09
Ned, snipe hunt out on Morris Island. bring a sack.....
JimP
USA - Fri 04/23/2021 - 17:47:22
Hey all. Man, now that "fisher" stuff was kind of fun. The Chat M Room crew is a pretty clever bunch! Potential new topic. Headed to Chatham for a couple of weeks. Does anyone know of anything cool going down on the lower Cape (e.g., important community meetings, history stuff, wildlife related, new places to eat, auctions, big yard sales, sports related, fund raising events, etc.) that they can share? Any advice or guidance appreciated. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/23/2021 - 16:20:16
Sorry Ned and Julie, no credit. Fishers of men was already used.
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/21/2021 - 17:49:32
"Follow me and I will make you fishers of men." Matthew 4:19.
Sorry, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/20/2021 - 16:28:53
Miss "Fisher's" Murder Mysteries

Australian TV show

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 22:30:39
Fisher College
Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 22:26:34
I saw a fissure on a volcano when I was in Hawaii
JJ
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 16:22:35
Oh, okay....me too.

Fish-er net stockings.

Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/19/2021 - 13:04:39
Ok I'll play.

Also "Fishers of Men."

In Luke 5:10, Jesus tells Simon, "Do not be afraid; from now on you will be catching men."

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/18/2021 - 20:24:39
I would think so Richard. Of course, in turn, "Fischer's" who play chess are obviously "Bobby" Fishers.
Ned and Julie <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/18/2021 - 10:41:02
Are male fishers considered fisher men? Just couldn't let this pass.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/17/2021 - 17:26:19
In the late fifties I used to see two otters playing in the yard of a house off Shore Rd between CBI and CB avenue. Someone said they were pets, but now I wonder why they were there. Muddy creek is a wonderful place to kayak. Saw the swans at the end. Now I can look for an otter.
Elizabeth Edgel
USA - Fri 04/16/2021 - 20:34:15
Yes, they had to go to the Merrimack River for training. as the surf conditions at Chatham weren't what they needed to get the crews qualified in a timely manner.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/15/2021 - 10:36:57
Chatham's surf boats in training. These things are almost like submarines.

Nice video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4xYfBNs8ls

A Coast Guard crew aboard Station Chatham's 42-foot Special Purpose Craft - Near Shore Lifeboat crashes through the surf of the Merrimack River bar during surf training,

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 21:49:55
It seems to me that in recent stories in the local press, the capabilities of the proposed 45 footers that will replace the 42 footers have not been represented accurately. First of all, they are self righting. Secondly, they draw 3' 4", not ten feet. The 42's draw 3.5 feet, as does the CG36500. Not much difference there.
Be glad the Coast Guard has replacements for the 42's, which have been problematic ever since they were deployed to Station Chatham. The engines in the 45's are GM MTU Series 60 Detroit diesels, not Rolls Royce. The water jets are from Rolls-Royce, not the engines.
The CG36500 has a Detroit Diesel 4-71 series, built in 1948. Still running.
Bernie Webber told me most times he went over the Chatham Bar, the boat would bounce off the bottom.,

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 17:57:36
Seems to me there has been some misinformation spread in the press about how the 42 footers compare with the 45's. The 42's draw 3.5 feet (as does the CG36500). The 45 footers draw 3'4", a little less. So what is the beef there? They are self righting. Be glad the Coast Guard has replacements for the 42 footers, which have been proven to be not reliable ever since they were deployed to Chatham.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 17:35:07
Sandy, Are you sure it was an otter and not a fisher? Fishers have been known to frequent the area.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/14/2021 - 09:44:48
The kayak group of Monomoy Yacht Club saw a group of otters cavorting way up Muddy Creek a few years ago. My vote is for a Fisher near the school....I saw one near the N.Chatham P.O. Last year!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/13/2021 - 09:05:47
about 45 years ago there was an otter at the end of Vineyard ave. he'd swim out to my boat with me every day when I'd go clamming, scratching, fishing. Cute little guy, liked to swim around me and have fun. Just disappeared one day. Some idiot probably killed it. Told few people as they said I was making it up.
JimP
USA - Tue 04/13/2021 - 06:22:34
Over the past 25 years or so, I have occasionally seen otter tracks in the snow here in Eastham. The snow must make for easy going for them.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/12/2021 - 17:23:14
As a matter of fact I saw an otter a few weeks back on the shore of Muddy Creek. I thought I must be hallucinating until I checked online and saw that there is a population in Mashpee, and that Cape Wildlife has been rehabilitating and releasing some on the Outer Cape. Yours must have been lost, not a lot of water around the Elementary School.
https://www.capecod.com/community/cape-cod-river-otters/

Dave C
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 19:08:20
Steve: Check out the Chatham Shellfish people like Renee Gagne, who will fill you in on their operation. It is to be a lateral move.
Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 17:52:20
Sandy, Are you sure it was an otter and not a fisher? Fishers have been known to frequent the area.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 15:27:56
Do I understand correctly that there are now 4 upwellers in Chatham and the town wants to add their own? Ate the existing upwellers unable to meet the demand?
Steve Burlingame <sjburlingame@outlook.com>
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 04/11/2021 - 03:33:16
I saw movement outside my classroom window at Chatham Elementary school the other day so I looked out and I saw an otter walking (galavanting?) along the side of the school and disappear through some trees towards Old Academy road. I know there is a little pond on that street so it was probably going there. Has anyone else seen otters around Chatham?
Sandy Hanson
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 04/10/2021 - 20:59:03
Interesting to hear from Chatham guys that are somewhat older than I. Dating in Chatham was a challenge, especially if you didn't have a car.
By the way, we are planning an event next February 18th to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Pendleton rescue. We want to invite back anyone who was there to witness the CG36500 coming back to the Fish Pier with 32 men., plus the crew.
I know that Archie Nickerson and George Goodspeed,Jr were there as well as my siblings. Are there any other folks still alive that were there on February 18th, 1952 ? It would be good to have all of them attend to relate their stories.

Richard G. Ryder <dickryder413@gmail.com>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/10/2021 - 17:40:05
Gordon Pratt: Good to "hear" from you. Jane had married by the time I left. I was seeing Jean before I went into the Army but, alas, time, distance ... Recalling the Ping Pong matches at Hallowell's bowling alley and nickle beer when Narraganset rep showed up at the Legion.
John M. Stevenson
USA - Sat 04/10/2021 - 11:40:36
John M. Stevenson, It is great to see your name here !! It was a pleasure to work with you at Chatham Trust, both as a teller and as a janitor !!!! Plus I really enjoyed the double-dates you and I had with JEAN Macdonald and JANE Harding.....
The heavy snow storm we were in.

Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 04/08/2021 - 19:05:05
Richard:
Hmmm, no other takers on this one.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 04/08/2021 - 14:55:54
Alan, you are week late for April Fool's pranks.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 17:30:17
We refer to the town landing at the end of Battlefield Road as Wheelwright's.
Jill James <Theron1962@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 16:47:53
Underestand that over that last day or two, Disney is going to build some kind of facility in Harwichport that will certainly have an impact on surrounding communities if this is true
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 16:38:15
Cynthia: Many thanks for the information on campfires. We'll look into it. We have an old Dutch Oven that we used a lot when the boys were Scouts. Hoping to have a small fire on the little Stage Harbor beach off Battlefield Road and make some apple crumble and throw some vanilla ice cream on it! Does anyone know the name of that beach by any chance?
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 12:28:10
I'm a Chatham native. Left employment at Chatham Trust Co. for a military career followed by another career in the commercial insurance industry. Enjoy following comments by former CHS '53 classmates or their children, and former co-workers and fellow travelers back in the day.
John M. Stevenson <jmstevenson@pa.net>
Gettysburg, PA USA - Wed 04/07/2021 - 10:22:22
Cynthia, Did not realize you lived near my dad. On Old Harbor?
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/06/2021 - 18:52:20
Ned & Julie

Cooking camp fires for National Seashore Parks call: (508) 255-3421
Chatham camp fire/ cooking fires call 508- 945 2324

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/06/2021 - 10:38:33
All: What is the procedure iif a family wanted to have a small cooking fire on a Chatham beach? Is it possible in Chatham or on the National Seashore? Any guidance appreciated.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/06/2021 - 10:30:16
Happy Easter to the folks of the Chat-M-Room. Hope that all goes well as we roll into Spring.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Cahtsm, MA USA - Sun 04/04/2021 - 11:47:50
Happy birthday, John
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/03/2021 - 15:18:20
I had also heard that NWS was looking at potentially using CCNS headquarters area on Marconi Site Rd for balloon launches.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 04/02/2021 - 07:35:01
Rumor has it that weather balloon launches likely headed to JOINT BASE Cape Cod.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/02/2021 - 05:09:26
A reasonable person would think that the Chatham Airport would suffice for launching weather balloons, assuming no air traffic. Or how about the Chatham CG Station lawn?
Gotta love the CC Chronicle edition this week! April Fools!

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 18:50:12
Does anyone know if there are plans to retain the weather balloon program in
Chatham?

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 18:03:46
I think that the Coast Guard is doing local mariners a favor by bringing in somewhat larger and more reliable vessels. How many times would a 45 NOT been dispatched due to weather conditions? And how many times were the 42's not dispatched due to weather conditions? And how many times was there only ONE 42 available, if that, out of three? Inquiring minds want to know.
Ya gotta get out and talk to the men and women who operate these things. Of course they can't reveal their opinions to the press.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 17:44:19
According to Tim Dring, CG Small Boat expert and Co-Author, "American Coastal Rescue Craft", the 45's have undergone some surf evaluation at Cape Disappointment, the CG Heavy Weather Training site. Those tests must have been taken in to account in making the decision to put two in Chatham. The CG36500 was never classified as a surfboat, but as a Motor Lifeboat. The 26 footers were classified as Motor Surfboats, replacing the oar powered ones.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/01/2021 - 14:35:29
I see on Wikipedia that the USCG Response Boat, Medium draws about the same as the CG36500, but their speed is awesome. Not sure what the operating limitations might be.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 17:06:07
Sounds like a good plan. The three unique 42 footers in Chatham have been nothing but problems for the mechanics there. The 45's are pretty well accepted as far as I know, having been on a couple- one in Sandwich and one on Lake Ontario. Speaking to the men and women unofficially who operate them does give some insight. The working platform is a little higher off the water. Not sure how much water they draw, but it can't be too much more than the 42's.
Being jet powered, they will have their limitations in shoal water.
Standing by for more information.
CG36500 Coxswain

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 16:35:14
Richard, all three surf boats being removed and 2 45' patrol boats added.
Bill P
USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 11:52:41
Are the 42's being replaced with 45 footers? Or being totally eliminated?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 11:49:23
US Coast Guard to remove Surf Boats from Station Chatham? Say it aint so!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 11:00:04
Thank you, Cynthia for your kind words. Yes, so many changes on Old Harbor. When I moved to assisted living in 2015 it was with a heavy heart as I loved my home so much. It was also special as it was across the street from the home I grew up in, so lots of memories. Life goes on.
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 09:48:37
Yes Nancy Ryder Petrus. From 1965 to 1996 on Patten Lane behind the old funeral home. Loved your home and how it was decorated and sorely missed it when you moved. So many changes on Old Harbor Road!
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/31/2021 - 08:08:37
I just scrolled through some of the archives of the chat room for the first time. Hard to believe that this forum has existed for 20 years. It was nice to read names again of those no longer here. Thanks to John for not only operating this site, but dragging the archives over as well. A lot of anecdotal information and funny conversations in them.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Tue 03/30/2021 - 20:06:21
Cynthia, Did not realize you lived near my dad. On Old Harbor?
Nancy Ryder Petrus
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/30/2021 - 10:43:17
Bob White- yes they used to scurry though our yard when we lived near Dave Ryder.That was the 80s. Heard their call here in South Chatham a few years ago but no sightings. I miss the cat birds. See maybe one a year now. Plenty of crows!
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/30/2021 - 08:09:42
I think the pheasants were initially released in the CCNS as a continuing source of hunting pleasure as well as a source of wild game to eat. Having eaten only one,( a road kill in CT, another story,) I can say they are more tasty than chicken. We did have one male hanging around here in Eastham some years ago, but they don't seem to be prevalent since the stocking stopped.
Turkeys? - yes.
Does anyone in Chatham ever hear or see bobwhite quail any more? Did we ever?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/29/2021 - 17:14:23
Thanks Tommy. I miss that. Always means spring trout season is ahead. Used to camp out and head out early to be on the pond for sunrise. They still stocking the ponds/lakes up there?

Right behind that the schoolies come in so you had a ball catching those. summer into fall - then pheasant season on Marconi. I guess they did away with that years ago. Deer, duck and goose season follows and then a few quiet months until it starts all over again.

JimP
USA - Mon 03/29/2021 - 09:10:42
Jim P, Peepers have been out for a few days,and they are very loud.
Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 23:42:22
We don't live where Hyla Crucifer's are, but maybe others have heard them. (Supposedly these little guys have a cross on their back, although I have never seen one close up.)
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 17:36:46
spring peepers out yet?
JimP
USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 16:09:37
No, but there was a photo on the front page of the Chronicle showing 5000 seals on Spring Break at Monomoy.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 15:02:18
Mr. P. the Forsythia just staring to pop, so a week or so..
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 15:01:53
Exactly!! Keep a sharp eye out up there Richard, Liberty is fleeting and we need to be ever vigilant against encroachments.

So we don't stray to far off John's purpose for the site....anyone starting to see herring? Any Striper arrivals yet?

JimP
USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 12:13:19
Yes, and to protect the country from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 09:08:41
Jim P, I too have always thought the argument that the Second Amendment only protects black powder muskets, was garbage. I once dated a girl who would later become a delegate during the 2012 election. In a debate one night, she told me that 2A was, "for the old days." Since she was a very enlightened democrat and I was not, I had no idea that constitutional amendments expired. I should have asked when the 19th Amendment expires and gauged her response.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 03/28/2021 - 08:25:07
Richard, using your computer when only a quill was around is equally absurd. Use your vast military experience and research the rationale and reason for the 2d Amendment: to have and utilize weapons common in use to the military of the day.

Are there any other amendments you'd like to get rid of? How about that pesky First Amendment? The 4th is a bit of a stickler as well - keeps the government from grabbing things they deem "troublesome."

As a Veteran, I'd expect more from you. Some of us never forget our sworn oath to preserve and defend the Constitution.

JimP
USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 19:04:54
Comparing single shot muskets to automatic weapons is absurd. Certainly you folks know better.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 17:34:33
Thanks Jim. I know. I researched coming back there and found out that I'll have to keep most of my weaponry out of State; if I - indeed - had any weapons that survived the tragic boating accident of 2012....which of course I don't.

I find that tragically ironic since seizure of weapons was the spark of our revolution and the start of our great Republic. Mass seems to have forgotten that little gem.

JimP
USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 17:11:52
JimP - AR-15s are not allowed to be purchased in Massachusetts, but people who had them before the ban can still own them.

Additionally, there are some AR-15-like weapons on the MA approved firearms list. You can view that list here. https://www.mass.gov/lists/approved-firearms-rosters

Of course, none can be sold with magazine larger than 10 rounds.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 03/27/2021 - 09:42:17
Alan, that Boulder Officer has gotten a lot of media attention, possibly because he was the first one named before any civilians. Not sure how you missed that.
Jim, he gave up a six figure IT job to become a cop at age 40. A real life variation of the ABC show The Rookie.

J Hallgren
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/25/2021 - 20:29:33
Alan, he was a hero who gave up a lucrative career (can't remember doing what right now) to be a Police Officer. Truly a noble man who gave his life protecting others. You are spot-on about the mentally ill. Guess we'll have to wait and see what Martha Healey decides to outlaw next; we've got to keep Richard safe.
JimP
USA - Thu 03/25/2021 - 18:15:11
Another piece of this overall picture is the officers who do protect chatham and the surrounding Cape communities and this de fund the police issue-sheer nonsense!
Folks need to remember guys like Falmouth's John Busby who was nearly gunned down in 1979. Or take the case of the more recent 2018 Yarmouth cop, Sean Gannon who was slain April 18, 2018. Some forget about guys like this, guys who gave everything to protect us from ruthless characters. Still hardly any mention of Mental Illness which seems to be the root cause of nearly all the mass shooting over the past 10 years and perhaps the last 2 in "Atlanta" and "Boulder." And what about that Boulder officer who was first to respond to that incident, have not heard too much about he.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/24/2021 - 22:16:05
Richard, why wouldn't it be safe? AR 15's are illegal I'm Massachusetts. I'm sure everyone up there is law-abiding....right? Just outlaw them. That'll stop it.
JimP
USA - Wed 03/24/2021 - 20:04:49
I have to wonder how many AR-15's there are in the Outer Cape, supposedly in responsible hands. Is it safe to go to Stop and Shop in Orleans?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/24/2021 - 17:22:24
How does this double posting happen? I have not even checked in on this room in days.....and bingo, here I am again! So sorry.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/21/2021 - 13:49:58
Please stop this banter! Everyone is entitled to be passionate about their point of view, but it should not include personal criticism. I am a super senior, three generations of living and voting in Chatham, a town that I dearly love. I have the list of what Town employees earn which astounds me, I watch most Select Board meetings, I read the Chronicle and I have opinions about what monies are spent on various projects. The COA at 1610 is a very bad idea for safety and practical reasons and should be designed to co-habit with the elementary school.....and if we don't get going fast building affordable housing on Middle Rd, there won't be any children attending 10 yrs, from now. It is our tax dollars and we should all voice our opinions at Town Meetings and start using common sense. More civility would be a pleasure between the haves and the have nots and the old timers and new folks.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/21/2021 - 09:57:34
Tommy: Many thanks neighbor and happy first day of Spring! Great to be back in Chatham - God's Country. What a spot we all have the privilege to live in. We're looking forward to seeing you all out and about.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Edmund.w..chapman@exxonmobil.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/20/2021 - 19:15:40
Sorry Tommy, I thought you were referring to mounting a Post Office Box..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sat 03/20/2021 - 10:15:56
Richard Ryder. You are correct. Maybe I should not post so late at night.
Thanks

Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Fri 03/19/2021 - 23:21:24
I think Tommy Doane might have been referring to an Osprey Nest.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/19/2021 - 17:50:52
Hi Tommy.. Gordon here..I retired from the Chatham Office.. See if I can help you..
The USPS does not legislate the relocation of residential mailboxes nationally. Rather, they allow local postmasters to decide what is best for their geographic location and mail service. ... It can save you a lot of headache if you take the time to call or visit the post office before moving your house mailbox. here...

Gordon Pratt
USA - Fri 03/19/2021 - 12:23:05
I see that Ned and Julie Chapman have moved to Cedar Street. WELCOME
Does anyone have any idea how to go about getting a platform put on a telephone post on Champlain Road. The one that was there blew down, with parent and 2 babies in the " tornado " we had last year. Thanks.

Tommy Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 23:36:28
Anyone remember the "Pit"? An infamous collection of cottages which served as summer lodging for college baseball players as well as groups of college girls who were waitresses at the Ryder House and elsewhere/ One of the more infamous residents was "Babbo" David Babson who later became a NH state representative. Among the more memorable Babbo stories was his playing several games as a member of a college hockey team (BU, Dartmouth?) when he was not even enrolled as a student. Babbo could talk his way into anything and was always the keg master. Fun memories
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 19:58:26
It was sarcasm Bill. Judy told me " Maybe if you had a history here like so many of us you wouldn't be so quick to criticize." implying that since I haven't lived in Chatham for as long as some of you I shouldn't "criticize" others opinions. Perhaps I'm not the one who can't handle someone disagreeing with me.

By the way, I'm still waiting for a response to those two points...

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 16:24:54
Reality check! Justin can not claim he can't post as he has many, many posts. More than many others.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they want you to go away!

Keep posting.

Bill P
USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 14:28:20
Thank you John. I was referring to Judy basically telling me earlier that I shouldn't speak on a matter because I haven't lived here long enough.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 11:39:25
Justin: You certainly have every right to post here! Even someone who only visits Chatham has that ability as I don't restrict users. You may get negative comments from others but that shouldn't stop you from posting and I have found nothing objectionable whatsoever about your posts, ok?
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 09:28:34
First of all I agree with Emily that the sniping has to stop, I do think 1610 is the best place for the COA because there is no other place in town to support it. It would have been nice if they could have used the Depot st. school but that's not going to happen. Justin you should be able to post your feelings and look forward to more of your posts. Unfortunately some of the people feel that other peoples opinions don't count. Let's stop the bullying and be civil with each other.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 08:39:58
Judy, you still have not responded to two of my points.

1) People don't have to work in Chatham to live in Chatham. We need more younger families here so the town has a future. To suggest that young families would say "Oh there's no jobs, guess I'll deal drugs." Instead of "maybe I should look in Harwich or Orleans or Brewster" is purely asinine.

2) Where do you propose we create these jobs? Don't just present a problem. Present a solution.

Oh, stupid me. I forgot I haven't lived here long enough to comment. It won't happen again. For future reference though, what is the minimum amount of time I need to live here before I can comment?

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 08:27:51
Judging from several comments here, I am wondering if folks are really informed about the parameters regarding affordable/attainable housing. Unfortunately this housing does not cater specifically to Chatham residents. There is a lottery. My point of the entire discussion is that without sustainable jobs here drug dealing is a very profitable way to make a living. For folks to think young people should move here without sustainable jobs shows you how far out of touch the some folks really are.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/18/2021 - 07:37:35
Also a Chatham lawyer. I recommend HBO's Heroine Cape Cod. It will open some eyes.
Bill P
USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 20:51:17
I also know hard working folks who live in other "attainable and affordable" areas. Not sure which neighborhoods are being referring to. Regardless, future/hypothetical housing plans would have no prior connection with drug issues as the developments don't exist yet. There's drug use in middle and high-income neighborhoods, too. Chatham has never been immune to "those problems", nor are those problems correlated with income or housing. I recall a certain developer back in 1981 robbing drugs from the state barracks. He wasn't living in attainable or affordable housing at the time.
Lisa
USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 17:42:56
Lisa - I most certainly was not referring to Elkanah and can't believe you said that. Some of my good friends live there and I absolutely know how hard everyone works that live there. . There are other areas in town that I was referring to. If you don't know where I was referring to that is your issue - but do not make incorrect assumptions.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 17:17:31
Back many years ago, the Town of Chatham voted to not allow apartments or such buildings, I guess for fear of whatever.
Two of my male class mates (John Pratt, Verne Hunt) who took apprentice type jobs with local builders attained carpentry skills, which they could trade with young electricians and plumbers to help build their modest homes. I don't see that option available for any young man or woman graduating from high school these days.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 17:13:23
This certainly is not a new problem to Chatham. Housing in Chatham is available to high income and low or no income thru various channels. The butcher, the baker and the candle stick maker can't find any thing under $500,000. A $300,000 home at 3.9% 30 mortgage is $1415.000 a month. Making $800.00 a week will not make it. We need a real think tank, like I think 365 is, to take out of the box thinking to keep the full time workers here in Chatham. It's not easy.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 16:59:40
Only one person insinuated that attainable housing is correlated to drug use and would somehow lead us to become "the next Hyannis". Our town could stand to learn a lot from "those Hyannis people" in terms of empathy and compassion. The folks who live in the Elkannah neighborhood are hardworking, honest people. They work as teachers, as Instacart employees and Uber drivers, for local companies, at restaurants, in healthcare, etc. The implication that more attainable housing would make our community undesirable is unfounded and disappointing. If that creates "banter", so be it. I will never agree with someone who speaks so negatively about folks who are working as hard as they can to be able to stay in a town that they love so dearly. Chatham should not only be accessible for the wealthy and fortunate.
Lisa
USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 16:35:48
Please stop this banter! Everyone is entitled to be passionate about their point of view, but it should not include personal criticism. I am a super senior, three generations of living and voting in Chatham, a town that I dearly love. I have the list of what Town employees earn which astounds me, I watch most Select Board meetings, I read the Chronicle and I have opinions about what monies are spent on various projects. The COA at 1610 is a very bad idea for safety and practical reasons and should be designed to co-habit with the elementary school.....and if we don't get going fast building affordable housing on Middle Rd, there won't be any children attending 10 yrs, from now. It is our tax dollars and we should all voice our opinions at Town Meetings and start using common sense. More civility would be a pleasure between the haves and the have nots and the old timers and new folks.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 16:19:12
Some people whine it's not fair about property prices. Check out Geat Neck NY. Three one acre lots package deal $11 million..Or 4.5 each.. Thats11 plus six zeros for three lots..!!
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 15:21:01
Judy, I used to have a magnet on my fridge that talking to you reminds me of. I will now remove myself from this conversation as apparently I haven't lived in Chatham long enough to participate in it.

I am sorry to the rest of you for inserting myself in a conversation that Judy had not declared me qualified to participate in. I won't do so again in the future.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 13:39:35
Justin - how terribly presumptuous of you. It's a good thing you're a math teacher and know so much more than the rest of us. Maybe if you had a history here like so many of us you wouldn't be so quick to criticize. Many of us who comment here along with our families have lived here for generations and have sadly watched our town fall to outsiders that think they know what is best and believe that everyone can pay for their bad choices. Bill's point, as well as Andrew's was spot on and I thank them for contributing.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 12:51:07
Judy,

Bills math was terribly wrong and that was not Andrew's point. At least not as I see it. So by no means should you be yelling "BINGO" at either of those points. Thankfully we get to vote on these items and see what the majority of town wants. Of course I'm sure if this vote doesn't go your way it will be because of massive voter fraud at town meeting as well.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 11:03:20
Bill/Andrew - BINGO!!! How easy it is for others here to say we can "have it all". That is the difference between people that are conservative and plan for the future and those that just want to spend everyone's money and be damned with the consequences.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/17/2021 - 09:49:45
All this talk about town employee income rates and affordable or attainable housing.......has anyone tried to find out how many town employees live in town vs don't live in town? Then, ask those who don't live in town WHY they don't live in town. Or maybe that would prove the point too easily.
Andrew R <Drew_Redding@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 23:41:32
No. If you watch tonight's BOS meeting, it was noted that someone with a 500k home would pay about $3.75 per month and a 900k homeowner would pay closer to $6 per month. I'd imagine those who own million dollar homes would pay even more than that. If anyone owning a 4 million dollar home is honestly complaining about an extra $20/month for seniors in town, I'd implore them to seriously reflect upon and reevaluate their morals and priorities.

Also.. I don't recall anyone saying it needed to be a new COA *or* attainable housing. We have the financial resources in this town to support BOTH.

Lisa D.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 21:35:18
Lisa, is that new math? That $3.75 would have to be paid 3 million times. Are their that many houses in Chatham?
Bill P
USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 20:57:44
10 million for the COA.

Do you realize on town owned land we could build 50 affordable houses. 200k per house for material and labor.

Now if each buyer paid 100k for those houses you could build another 25 houses. If those 25 buyers paid another 100k you could build 12.5 more houses.

So do you want the COA or over 90 affordable houses?

Bill P
USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 20:41:27
I also heard him say the median property value in Chatham is $900K. Yet somehow people still claim we don't have a problem with housing that is affordable.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 19:46:52
Also, did I just hear Selectmen Cocolis say that the COA will cost a taxpayer with a 500k home just $3.75/month? Is that really what some of you are complaining about? Send me your Venmo or your PO Box and I'll genuinely pay your $3.75/month.
Lisa D.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 19:34:45
Not sure why a small number of folks are trying to make housing a COA in our elementary school happen--- It's not going to happen.

I was originally very opposed to the 1610 site for a new COA, but after reading some really insensitive comments here and elsewhere online, I'd gladly cast a vote at town meeting in support of the project.

Just because you don't personally need attainable housing, doesn't mean others wouldn't benefit from it. Just because you don't personally have school-age kids, doesn't mean young kids in town wouldn't benefit from Chatham retaining its own elementary school. Just because you won't personally use a new COA site, doesn't mean others wouldn't benefit from it. It's about time we start acting on what's best for all groups in town, not just those who already have adequate financial and logistical resources.

I don't have a school-aged child, a need for attainable housing, or a use for a COA.. but I fully support all 3 groups getting what they need. It's not just about me.

Lisa D.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 19:26:56
Every figure I cited is publicly available in the Annual Town Report. You can't just make up your own facts because you think they are true. I didn't say they were forced to work over time. But to make the amount of money necessary to afford a house in Chatham today they would have to.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 18:19:00
Richard - you are correct. There are a LOT of part timers that unfortunately are let go when it's time for their benefits to kick in. There are different employees every time I visit the dump. Take a look online at the salaries. Many town employees make more than folks in the corporate sector. Even though the police dept has the highest payroll - they are not forced to work overtime.
Judy P <judylpat@rcn.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 17:39:57
I find it hard to believe that the Median Salary for the DPW in Chatham, or any other Cape Cod town, is less than 40K. There must be a lot of part timers or seasonal workers included in arriving at that figure.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 17:30:52
Justin - in my opinion you are the one missing the point. There are few sustainable full time jobs in this town. Why live here if it's not affordable?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 11:33:32
Sorry for double postings. . . Anyway tonight our BOS is devoting their entire meeting to try to convince everyone to spend 8-10 million on a new COA. It's my understanding that everyone will be allowed to speak. Interesting in a time of COVID and uncertainty they are desperate to push this when other options much less costly are available. Who will end up paying for this in the long run? They are trying to convince everyone that West Chatham is a village center. If they put the COA programs in the elementary school, the folks would have access to the downtown area instead of crossing thru a rotary and trying to navigate to Shop Ahoy Plaza for their "activities". Downtown would have the theater, shops, and many other amenities rather than West Chatham. Admin offices could be at 127 Old Harbor Road. Consider tuning in and listening to what this is about. It's time to realize we don't need another empty building - especially one with two stories. Seniors are not going to be as willing to congregate after what everyone has been thru in the past year. This is nothing but a bunch of folks trying to tell us what they are entitled to rather than use common sense and make use of what we have at our disposal. Use the elementary school for the COA and solve two problems at once and save the taxpayers money.
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Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 08:25:57
Your attitude implying if young people can't afford to live here they should just live somewhere else is going to cause this town to have no one in it in 20-30 years. That's what so many people are trying to avoid. No one is specifically "asking" for help. People see the prices of houses in Chatham and see the price of a similar house in Harwich and they make that choice. The people for attainable housing are trying to make it so the option at least exists to buy that house in Chatham.

As I said in multiple posts that you have chosen to ignore, more full time jobs would be great. But you don't HAVE to work in Chatham to live in Chatham. What we need first and foremost are residents of this town. People who send their kids to Chatham Elementary so that the enrollment gap between Harwich and Chatham isn't so severe. It would be great if they worked in town as well but if they happen to work in Harwich or Brewster or Orleans, so be it.

But full time jobs are a priority to you so they must be a town priority. So I will ask you, what's your plan? What are these jobs? Where are they coming from?

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 08:16:28
Justin - in my opinion you are the one missing the point. There are few sustainable full time jobs in this town. Why live here if it's not affordable?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 06:08:12
Justin - totally agree with you - but without full time good paying jobs, one is beating a dead horse. Chatham is a resort/retirement community and it isn't going to change. You and your wife are very fortunate to have well paying careers. There's way too many young folks that don't make anywhere near what you make. Chatham is not a conducive location for young families unless they get help. How is that fair to older folks living on a fixed income? At least younger folks have the choice to go somewhere else to start their lives and careers - older folks - not so much. It's a serious situation no matter how one chooses to view it. With minimal full time jobs this is going to continue to be a serious problem. Not sure those requesting help should set their sights on settling down in Chatham when other towns aren't as costly to live in.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/16/2021 - 06:04:05
So what you're telling me is that you are missing the point?
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 21:15:41
Justin - totally agree with you - but without full time good paying jobs, one is beating a dead horse. Chatham is a resort/retirement community and it isn't going to change. You and your wife are very fortunate to have well paying careers. There's way too many young folks that don't make anywhere near what you make. Chatham is not a conducive location for young families unless they get help. How is that fair to older folks living on a fixed income? At least younger folks have the choice to go somewhere else to start their lives and careers - older folks - not so much. It's a serious situation no matter how one chooses to view it. With minimal full time jobs this is going to continue to be a serious problem. Not sure those requesting help should set their sights on settling down in Chatham when other towns aren't as costly to live in.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 21:14:20
Judy,

A) My wife and I each earn over $75K per year and without some money we inherited from family, we would not have been able to afford a down payment on a house in Chatham.

B) More full time jobs in Chatham would be great, but if we don't get housing under control, then people will work here and live in the surrounding towns because it's cheaper.

C) The median salary in 2019 in the Community Development Department is $68K. DPW is $36K. The Median salary of the PD and FD are between $60K and $70K. Yes, they can make more with overtime, but if we're talking about attracting young families, people shouldn't HAVE to work massive amounts of overtime away from their families to afford to live here. More overtime translates to more money spent on childcare.

Perhaps listening to people who have bought or tried to buy a home in town in the last 5 years would be helpful.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 20:58:04
I'm pretty sure about 50% of the CPD earn over $100K per year. The other areas Richard mentioned also make good money. I sure hope folks have an understanding of affordable/ attainable housing. Once again - the issue is full time employment and there's not a lot here in this town. The above mentioned jobs most likely don't qualify.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 19:38:44
I'm pretty sure about 50% of the CPD earn over $100K per year. The other areas Richard mentioned also make good money. I sure hope folks have an understanding of affordable/ attainable housing. Once again - the issue is full time employment and there's not a lot here in this town. The above mentioned jobs most likely don't qualify.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 19:31:57
Without a job like Judy mentioned, with the FD, PD, the school system or DPW, there aren't many jobs for families in Chatham, or Eastham, that will bring the income necessary to be residents in either towns.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 19:10:29
Justin - have you taken a look lately at the salaries of Policemen and some of the other town employees that work in Chatham? Just curious. I don't think with those salaries that attainable housing was meant for those specific groups. I would hope it's for families that make a lot less.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 17:48:15
Dan,

More full time job are always welcome. However, I believe the focus is on attainable housing for two main reasons. One is that many of the people who already work full time in Chatham, including those who serve this town as Firemen, Police Officers, DPW workers, etc can't afford to live here. The second is that you don't have to work in Chatham. My wife and I both work in other towns but are proud to call Chatham our home and raise our son here. We were very fortunate to be able to do so and would not have been able to do so under normal circumstances.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 17:24:42
As I like to hear from as many people as possible, I would like to hear from any member of the Chatham 365 group and their perspective and solutions.
dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/15/2021 - 07:31:40
Dann -apparently the town has enough of our money to develop Middle Road for attainable housing and spend 10 million on a COA and still want to spend at least another million for more privately owned properties. There is no common sense employed at all by town officials when it comes to this type of spending. I hope at least the COA will be voted down at town meeting.The elementary school should stay and be shared by the children and the other part for COA programs. The admin staff for the COA should utilize 127 Old Harbor road. To use that particular piece of property for attainable housing defies common sense and as Selectman Nicastro said "not a smart return" on our money. But - as you say - none of this solves the problem of full time jobs. Until that issue is resolved it's ridiculous to keep throwing tax payer monies around. Chatham has always been a resort community and will continue to be. For anyone to think otherwise is sadly mistaken. The jobs aren't here. Young people can't just move here and expect to make a decent living that includes a house. Most of us had to leave because of this. If we don't start to reign this ridiculous spending we'll be another Hyannis. The drug problem in this town has grown exponentially in the past few years. Just look at the housing units already in this town. How many times a week are the police there. Is this what our selectmen truly want - with no full time jobs in site? Until the issue of full time employment in this town is addressed this won't change. I sadly believe the younger folks are in for a rude awakening when they come to this realization that it is not going to change and the town will always remain a resort retiree community filled with wealthy people that just want their second homes here.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 03/13/2021 - 10:03:26
We have been talking about retaining/attracting young working families to Chatham. The discussion has been centered around housing and the elementary school.

Help me understanding why the discussion does not include year round jobs.

dan young <danyoung97531@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/13/2021 - 08:23:52
Jared- I think the store renamed open for a bit after Dennis died. It's gone thru several transitions since it was the gift and fudge shop. I think it's a clothing store now.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 03/12/2021 - 18:33:30
When I had a chance to visit Chatham while in the Navy on leave, I had no interest in buying fudge. My time was better spent going fishing with Dave Ryder. Never went in that business although i do remember it.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 03/12/2021 - 17:41:00
I remember the Coach and Four, though I dont think I ever went in. It couldn't have closed that long ago.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 03/12/2021 - 14:59:48
Coach and Four, Fudge and Gift Shop.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/11/2021 - 17:34:29
Rich, Eldredge with an E for Gene. Daughter Cora was in my class at school.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/11/2021 - 09:18:38
Bill - That was the name. It was a beautiful gift shop that also sold fudge. Dennis Pendolari owned it. Sad to see it close - can't remember how long ago it was - maybe in the 70's/80's it closed? Jennie Roderick worked there.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/11/2021 - 07:52:49
Just past the rotary after the bank on the right. Connected to Ron's and Walkers barber shop. Apartments above it. I think it was called Coach and Four, maybe not. It was a store that sold household goods, lamps etc.
Bill P
USA - Wed 03/10/2021 - 15:18:13
Bill P: Where was the old Coach & Four?
Bruce
USA - Wed 03/10/2021 - 09:14:17
Squire must have lost a lot of money this year. I doubt they could fit to many units on that property. Plus who wants to live downtown with no Squire.

I used to live downtown many years ago above Coach& Four. It was fun in my 20's but today I would never live downtown.

Bill P
S Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/08/2021 - 12:23:01
KEM the Squire sold almost two years ago. They passed papers on 6/25/19.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/08/2021 - 08:57:06
I had also heard that rumor as well. The building would have to go on the demolition delay for up to 18 months of this is the case.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Mon 03/08/2021 - 06:14:16
Wayne The Squire sold last year.
KEM
USA - Sun 03/07/2021 - 16:27:36
If the Squire has been sold the Town of Chatham does not know about it. They are told of property transfers right after the fact.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/07/2021 - 16:13:21
Anyone hear that the owner of the Squire is looking at building condos on that site?
KEM
USA - Sun 03/07/2021 - 13:58:58
Rich, Eldredge with an E for Gene. Daughter Cora was in my class at school.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/03/2021 - 18:24:44
Now local sea conditions have gone to Foxtrot Alpha Charlie in Navy or Coast Guard parlance, or in the words of former Chatham Wharfinger at the Fish Pier, Gene Eldridge, "Flat A-- Calm" but his inflection on Calm is hard to replicate . More like Caam. Been there.
Or maybe his name has three letter "e"s.
Anyone have any Eugene Eldridge stories to share? I know he used to keep the woodstove in the "middle stall" going by adding broken up pieces of wooden fish boxes to the fire.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 03/03/2021 - 17:34:52
Sleep well when the wind blows, it is something you can count on.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/01/2021 - 19:03:31
When they went before the the Historical Business District Commission in January with non specific plans they were given until the next meeting to come back with more definitive plans. I believe by doing that they were able to bypass the two year waiting period. They went back with updated plans and it was approved.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 02/28/2021 - 20:58:59
Plan Board OK's Monomoy Theatre Subdivision Plan.

I thought there was a 2 year wait before they could return to the board because of the direction they went and lost.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/28/2021 - 18:56:38
I just went with my dad to Gillette for the vaccine. The whole operation there was incredibly efficient. If you are able to make the drive and having trouble finding an appointment locally, it is well worth it.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/28/2021 - 07:06:06
Richard Here's what I know or experienced I observed several ditchings - not all turn out like Sully Sullenberger. The unsuccessful ones were always due to landing against or across the prevailing swells - in high seas, it's pretty dicey. I remember one when the aircraft was on fire and had to ditch - pilot amazingly landed between swells and all got out only to have one crewman fall out of the rescue basket on his way up to the helo - to this day we all wonder why his crewmate in the net with him didnt hold on to him. Stress and shock I guess.
Ben H
USA - Sat 02/27/2021 - 20:48:58
Bill P. - It was like the chat room ate radishes and kept repeating. I refreshed and signed out 3 times and then it finally showed 4. I have set other records, which shall remain secret. :)
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/26/2021 - 08:21:26
Ben H:
Being a former Navy pilot, can you imagine landing a small twin engined plane alongside the Pollock Rip Lghtship? A vessel you knew of or heard as a kid? Landing on a carrier is one thing, landing at sea and coming back home is another.
Did you ever serve with any pilots that had amphibious plane experiences?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/25/2021 - 17:54:45
Cynthia, could you repeat that for me. Thanks

Just kidding! I think 4 is a record.

Bill P
S.Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/25/2021 - 16:42:25
Thanks. I forgot that I had shared that info with Don Wilding several years ago. The photo I had was not very good so I was looking for a better one. There were 18 named CG aircraft ("seaplanes") during the period from 1933 to 1936, all named for stars. The ADHARA, which had landed earlier in Pleasant Bay while the crew visited Old Harbor Station, actually was an RD2; the MIZAR an RD-4. All fairly small twin engined craft, flown by gutsy men..
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 19:11:02
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:21:33
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here. hope this is not a duplicate-

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:20:47
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:19:44
Mizar article in wicked local-Mar 30, 2018 --- The wreck of the amphibian Coast Guard plane Mizar, which crashed on Sept. 16, 1935 between Chatham and the Pollock Rip Light Ship, ...
Google Mizar-Pollack rip and the article comes up. Links never work here

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/23/2021 - 08:18:47
I have recently come across newspaper articles about a Coast Guard RD-4 (the MIZAR) Amphibious plane crashing and sinking near the Pollock Rip Lightship in what I think was September 1934. The air crew was attempting to remove an ill person from the Lightship. The plane was from the CG Air Station in Salem. The wrecked plane was retrieved by the Lighthouse Tender Anemone. Would the Chatham Historical Society have any photos of this event?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/22/2021 - 16:27:56
Richard. Two years ago I had an IRS problem that I couldn't solve with letters. I went to the IRS on Perseverance Way in Hyannis with all my papers and an agent straightened it out for me.
Re vaccines: if you're a veteran, call the VA. Fast and efficient.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 20:01:19
Bruce and others:
I am a patient at Outer Cape Health in Wellfleet, which is an affiliate of Beth Israel Lahey, etc. They apparently went through their patient listing by age and offered me an appointment back on Feb 2nd. I took one then for this Tuesday, thinking that if I found an opening closer I could cancel the Plymouth one. Didn't happen..

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 15:14:44
Richard would you be willing to share how you got a vaccination appt in Plymouth? I noticed on mass.gov site there was availability at Marshfield Fairgrounds, but only serving residents of Plymouth County. Thank you.
Bruce
Harwich, USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 12:09:06
Does anyone out there have a remedy for the IRS problems? We haven't received our refund from last year yet. It was filed on April 3rd. No one knows where the return is. Too late to eFile for last year, but "don't send in another return". Because there is no record of us filing ( we have the USPS proof of delivery) we didn't get the latest stimulus check.
Vaccine for me will be in Plymouth on Tuesday - no luck getting one closer. Some friends have gone to Foxboro or Fenway for theirs.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 10:22:51
Richard, I beg to differ. The evidence grows stronger. Look to statements from your Senator Markey about where the vaccine should be prioritized.
The Cape has an elderly, mostly-white, mostly-affluent population. Were I up there lacking a vaccine, I'd start making some phone calls. I'm getting a lot of reports from all over the State. It's not an "availability" issue, it is a distribution problem.
Just trying to keep you safe Richard. We'd be lost without your wit and wisdom here.

JimP
USA - Sun 02/21/2021 - 07:54:22
There were hardly any locations set up on the Cape. In addition to that you have a website that continues to crash. I'd say it was extremely poor management from lack of competence in web design to lack of management in the locations held in Barnstable/Hyannis. Folks were waiting 3-4 hours past their scheduled appointment times due to the fact with the amount of doses available it boiled down to one shot per minute by nurse. Extremely poor rollout.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 02/20/2021 - 18:05:26
Jim, and others:
The problem is there are not enough shots sent to MA to take care of all who are over 75, first of all. Many of us over 80 are quite competent on how to navigate the internet. But when there are many thousands of folks trying to gain access to what are only hundreds of available appointments, it is a recipe for serious frustration for all hands.
I don't think politics at this stage has anything to do with the problem. There is hope.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/20/2021 - 17:37:37
Not trying to turn this political, but I've seen a bunch of anecdotal reports reflecting a push towards "distribution equity" of the vaccine up there. Is that true?

Might explain why the Cape is so low a priority.

JimP
USA - Sat 02/20/2021 - 08:44:25
Tried to sign up for the Covid 19 shot, the site had already crashed. Will try next week. It will take time.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/18/2021 - 08:14:21
My wife and I got our shots at Hyannis Stop and Shot Pharmacy ... Peace of cake on Saturday and Sunday...
Gordon Pratt
USA - Tue 02/16/2021 - 18:18:07
Thanks John. Good to know. Do you have any interest in a big bunch of 33 RPM records from the 60's? For your radio show.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/15/2021 - 19:03:54
I had my first shot at Dartmouth High School on the 6th. My wife had hers the previous Wednesday at the Barnstable County Fairgrounds. Getting an appointment was hit or miss, but the actual vaccination process at both sites were well organized and easy. I was back on my way home within 30 minutes of reaching the high school. It is getting better and the new Johnson and Johnson vaccine that will come about March 1st will make it much easier for all.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/15/2021 - 18:04:29
@Kathy Jones - That's a great story. Coincidentally, I developed and printed those Old Harbor Station photos as I worked for Dick at the time.

The station was lifted off North Beach in the fall of 1977. Had it not been moved then, it almost certainly would have been destroyed a few months later when the Blizzard of '78 washed over the beach.

The station weathered the blizzard on a barge in Provincetown harbor. A few months later, it was floated over to Race Point where it was lifted off the barge and reassembled on the site where it is today. I have one cool aerial photo from Dick from that day where it was so foggy on the beach that you can only see the cranes sticking up above the fog.

https://serenity.jjd.com/Images/1977-11-old-harbor-lifesaving-station-move.jpg

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 02/15/2021 - 07:43:11
Richard- that's too bad. When I played with the site yesterday it appeared to have openings. I heard Orleans had openings today.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 18:10:37
Nancy Viall Shoemaker whose father was Jack Viall, Printer of West Harwich, has a large collection of slides taken by Dick Kelsey. Dick and Jack were friends. Nancy owns West Barnstable Press and does the Cape Cod Five Calendar among other things.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 11:48:49
Kathy Jones, welcome to the Chat M Room. That's a very cool story you shared. Mr. Kelsey was a very talented man. Do you still visit Chatham?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 11:08:59
My husband and I got the vaccine yesterday at urgent care Dennis.
Kathleen
USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 10:41:17
There is a vaccination clinic at the DPW in Orleans coming up this week. Slots are most likely filled by now.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 02/14/2021 - 07:19:25
Distressing to "hear" things that turn out to be not factual. There are many openings in Amherst, MA coming up and other places inn MA but not on Cape Cod, at least for the next few days.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/13/2021 - 19:21:31
Richard- that's too bad. When I played with the site yesterday it appeared to have openings. I heard Orleans had openings today.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 02/13/2021 - 14:28:20
Thanks Judy for the link. Nothing available on Cape Cod.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/13/2021 - 13:33:42
I stumbled upon this forum and have enjoyed reading the posts. One was about moving the Old Harbor Coast Guard station back in 1977. It was cut in half and moved to Provincetown by barge. Dick Kelsey was a family (Dan and Jay McElwain) friend and invited me to fly along as he photographically documented the move. I hated to see it leave Chatham but at least it was preserved and is enjoyed by visitors to race point.
Kathy Jones <waincroft@comcast.net>
Cape Coral, FL USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 23:50:40
This is Massachusetts. You can't have high expectations when State government is involved with anything.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 20:23:10
Richard - try this site - vaxfinder.mass.gov
It went live today. Put in your zip code and you'll find locations.

JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 19:25:12
Extremely frustrating not to be able to sign up for a Covid 19 Vaccine, when there have been two offered locally. Eastham today and Orleans for the 17th. If any of you have been able to get an appointment, I am impressed.
Did Sign on for both and 15 minutes later, "no appointments available." " You are now on the waiting list". Hold on, I was on a waiting list last week after the Eastham fiasco.
The application form is cumbersome and redundant, and takes some time even with an up to date computer. I had to enter my complete name 4 times!
We should be able to do a better job, as some recent Letters to The Editor have suggested.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/12/2021 - 17:05:39
John;

Easier yet, look out your window that faces that cut. Seems okay at low tide, not so much at high.

BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/11/2021 - 17:48:53
John, Story in today's Chronicle.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/11/2021 - 14:13:48
Does anyone have news on the new break in North Beach Island?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/10/2021 - 18:47:15
All: Answers below. There are lot's of smart folks here in the Chat-M-Room. No common Washashore is going to pull the wool over your eyes. ;) Richard wins the Squire lunch. Richard, hope it's OK if Julie and I join you in June. We can talk history over a lobster roll.

1. Answer: False. It was February 16-17 1958. The blizzard of 1978 further exacerbated the issue apparently.
2. Answer: False. Yet, Tom Brady would be a great addition to our town.
3. Answer: False. Apparently, Morris Island was named after a hermit who lived there for many years named "Morris."
4. Answer: False and true. The Horst's sold 72 acres to the CCF because they were great environmental people. However, legend has it that there is indeed an "evil spirit" on the island and there are several first hand accounts of folks encountering it over the years. It's mentioned in the most recent book about the island.
5. Answer: False. Great story though. As we all know, there were certainly German U-Boats in Chatham waters throughout WWII. Who knows....maybe Richard can further educate us as a distinguished USCG Veteran. He'd likely know.

Ned Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring , TX USA - Wed 02/10/2021 - 10:10:45
Monomoy split from the mainland in 1958.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/09/2021 - 19:22:26
I, having never have heard these stories before, thought it a good bet that they were all made up. I had no money in the contest.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/09/2021 - 19:03:19
Thank you Richard for your input. I am curious about why you insist these stories are incorrect.,please do enlighten us.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 02/09/2021 - 16:17:27
Well done Richard. Number 4 is half true, however. I'll reach out to you in the Spring to work the logistics for lunch.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 23:57:40
Well done Richard. Number 5 is half true, however. I'll reach out to you in the Spring to work the logistics for lunch.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 23:56:50
Thank you Richard for your input. I am curious about why you insist these stories are incorrect.,please do enlighten us.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 20:48:02
All are patently false.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 17:18:00
All: Great game last night. Good to see ole Tom Brady pull off another Super Bowl win. In honor of Carl "The Chowder Man" here are a couple of Chatham True or False trivia questions. Winner gets a $50 lunch at The Squire in June.
1. Monomoy split off from the mainland during the great blizzard of 1952.
2. Tom Brady and his family spent 2 weeks at CBI in July 2017.
3. Morris Island is named after a Revolutionary War hero who distinguished himself at the battle of Saratoga by creating a first aid protocol for musket flash burns.
4. Strong Island has a Native American ghost there and it occupies an area just east of the Cashman homestead. Legend has it that's why Victor and Betsy Horst sold to the Chatham Conservation Foundation.
5. A WWII German UBoat seaman jumped ship and came ashore in Stage Harbor in October of 1943. Legend has it that he made his way to New Ulm, Minnesota and eventually became the City's Mayor In 1952.

Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/08/2021 - 11:44:48
Wayne my man you got my attention with the California remark .. I love Chatham and only stopped participating in here after Jane and then Carl left us - I had no real connection although I respect Richard I don't know him that well and every post seemed to be about him, his great Chatham family, or the Coast Guard. All very interesting but then here come 6 or 7 nice people with their views about politics. All well intended but frankly boring. I miss the good old days when Barry and Sylvia would set off the cannon on fourth of July and Carl would launch a quiz. Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Sun 02/07/2021 - 22:24:43
Oh Wayne, you know me....you know:my long family and Mayflower history in Chatham and you know I am NOT from California! I vote every year and attend all Town Meetings. I have no idea why I sometimes double post! You know I really love and care about everything there so please either help me or just ignore this old lady .......see you in May! At least it is better than a certain other contributor who seems a bit too often with his posts.......hint, hint!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 21:24:41
I keep wondering people from California keep double posting on here. Also why are they always so critical about our town. Why aren't they more concerned about their town in California.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 20:41:52
Has anyone else noticed the shabby Christmas decorations still up on the Squire front? One of their video cameras isn't working also. The Town finally removed the decorations in Kate Gould Park but February? Come...on! The Cape Cod Covid vaccine distribution is a horror story. At the very least the Town should offer free bus rides to Plymouth, if that is where our seniors need to go. Shame on the BOS and the COA.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 19:24:38
Here you go, copy and paste. Video of the new break from channel 5.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/chatham-massachusetts-cape-cod-sand-dune-breach-following-noreaster/35435107

Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 16:17:26
Bill P, thanks for the update. I have copies of charts of the area going back well over 150 years. Changes have been occurring forever. Some have been dramatic and few beneficial to anyone except those who install permitted rock revetments.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 15:56:59
Richard, there is a new break in North beach. It's about 1000 yards south from the break near Turn island. We now have a break on each side of the fish pier.
Bill P
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 08:57:48
Emily, COA IS working with county and seniors --Cape Cod RTA (transportation) is offering free rides for vaccination s for seniors and older adults, working with local COAs --see this week's Town release for info.
Again, the COA works with seniors and older adults (a term I think means " not willing to admit to being a senior"!) But the COA ,while having a good list of seniors in Town does need for seniors not already associated with them to reach out-- COA number 508-945-5190. Excellent website chathamcoa.com.
For the the record, I have admitted to being a senior since I was in my fifties, once I realized that there were discounts to be had!!

Susie
USA - Sat 02/06/2021 - 08:51:57
I perceive that there are only so many immunizations delivered to MA. Not sure why or how they get distributed nationwide. For fairness sake, the number of folks over 75 should have been a key determinant of where the vaccines are shipped to. Give our Health Care folks a chance and they will figure out how to get it done.
Have not heard about how the US Navy is taking care of their men and women at sea, in confined spaces. The Medical Departments of these ships certainly know how to administer any inoculations required, if provided.
Been there, done that.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/05/2021 - 18:59:13
Has anyone else noticed the shabby Christmas decorations still up on the Squire front? One of their video cameras isn't working also. The Town finally removed the decorations in Kate Gould Park but February? Come...on! The Cape Cod Covid vaccine distribution is a horror story. At the very least the Town should offer free bus rides to Plymouth, if that is where our seniors need to go. Shame on the BOS and the COA.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 02/05/2021 - 11:28:13
As a patient of Outer Cape Health Services in Wellfleet, and being over 75, I was offered by email an appointment for an immunization at the closest point I could choose, and that is in Plymouth two weeks away. I took it.
Good news is we can stop at Market Basket over the bridge on the way home.

I wonder if I will have to go back to the same site for the booster vaccine. Can do.

Seems there should be an immunization site closer to us here on the Outer Cape.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/04/2021 - 19:11:52
So, did the waves punch through what used to be called the North Beach in front of CBI, and is there a water flow at all tides?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/03/2021 - 17:49:50
Richard - not really sure what your issue is with the State Rep other than the fact he's not a democrat; however - the info I posted yesterday pertains to a call happening tomorrow . Maybe listen in on the call and learn something? You sound rather paranoid even though there's thousands here on the Cape that are in the same boat as you are. .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 17:52:33
Judy P: Your hotshot new Rep was a day behind in sending out the info. I already had received it, with no thanks to Facebook. Try as I might, I see there were 4 appointments available for the Cape Cod Melody Tent coming up, but no way to click and take one of them.
It must be a conspiracy to exclude 02642 seniors, right?

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 17:28:52
Judy: Bingo, Annie found it and took a photograph from the street. It still looks cool from a distance. That fellow (former Chatham Guidance Counselor) must have been a pretty neat guy. I've always wanted a decent telescope. Got one as a gift, after 15 years with the company, and immediately brought it to Chatham to star gaze with Julie and the kids. Unfortunately, it wasn't particularly good. Maybe when I retire, I'll buy myself a decent one. I imagine Chatham is a pretty solid place to see the galaxies and stars from on a cold winter night.
Ned Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring , TX USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 16:51:54
Has anyone used Uber or Lyft with success. Not sure if they service this area.
Winnie
MA USA - Tue 02/02/2021 - 14:53:27
What I just posted was from State Rep Steven Xiarhos and he listed it on Facebook. Hopefully bot will help some folks
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 20:56:39
The Cape Cod COVID-19 Response Task Force will hold a phone briefing for residents of Cape Cod over the age of 65 to discuss COVID-19 vaccine information and access in the area.

The phone briefing will be held through a phone conferencing service that will proactively call the home phone numbers for approximately 50,000 Cape Codders over 65 to join the call just before it begins on Wednesday at 5:30pm. Those who wish to join will be automatically connected. There will also be a robocall placed on Tuesday evening (24 hours in advance) to the list of 50,000 phone numbers to provide notification of the phone briefing the next day. The call will have capacity for well over 50,000 attendees. All attendees will be muted, in listen-only mode.

Those who would like to call in on their own are welcome to do so by calling 833-491-0326 at or just before 5:30 pm this Wednesday, February 3. Those who call that number will automatically be connected to the phone briefing. Those under 65 years old, especially those assisting a friend or family member over 65 with scheduling a vaccine appointment, are welcome to call in. Members
of the media are welcome to call in as well. All by calling 833-491-0326.

JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 20:53:31
Ned - it's built on a private residence. Very overgrown these days but if your sister lives on Bayview she can walk past it. The individual that owned it was a guidance teacher for years in the Chatham School System. His son lives in the house now and the observatory is out in back .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 20:35:32
Ned,just East or to the right as you are facing it of 11 Waveland Av. It is in the woods now but when I was young it was much more open.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 19:34:22
What are the chances that the beach just South of Hartwell's Camp and the pine trees will be breached during this No'theaster? Back in 1898, when Old Harbor Station was built, the beach did not extend even that far South. Stand by for changes.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 18:56:56
Off Waveland Ave
Tony
W Chatham , MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 18:52:47
All: A remaining question from last month if that's OK. Specifically, where is the Waveland Observatory? My sister Annie lives on Bayview and I told her about it. She's looked unsuccessfully and thinks I'm making it up. Any guidance appreciated.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.Law777@gmail.com>
Spring, TX USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 16:47:58
That's great information - hopefully others will be able to utilize them.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 11:51:53
That last post was mine-- should have read Susie F.
Susie
USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 11:03:02
Actually COA has been very supportive and helpful throughout 'all this'-- frequent phone calls with vital information for all 'seniors' who are on their call list and info in the Flash , newsletter that they print each month. Also has help for those seniors who are technologically challenged. Most recently received message about how to get answers on where, etc.for Covid vaccine.
Many 'seniors' quietly using their services. So far I personally have learned more about using my Iphone, Zumba-ed when the gym was closed, used their equipment after hip and heart surgeries, taken part in the Senior tax program, and pre-planned my funeral.So for me, they definitively provide services.

F
USA - Mon 02/01/2021 - 10:58:45
I am surprised the COA hasn't been more vocal about helping seniors navigate this mess. Time for them to step up and help these people get on a list or whatever .
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 01/31/2021 - 19:11:07
Please, an update of information on getting Covid 19 Vaccine. How is the process going? What is
Best way to get on the list? Any and all information welcome. Thank you.

Marie <Mdburns14@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/31/2021 - 18:26:29
Is there no one in the Town of Chatham that can keep us updated on this site about the wandering Boathouse, and what the recent SelectBoard decisions are regarding this building?
I deign to use Facebook, Twitter, etc .
Been burned by a Chatham Facebook person.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/31/2021 - 17:46:24
Don gets his second shot at the VA Friday. Super efficient operation. After a rocky start (too many appointments, not enough vaccine), NJ is improving - got my first shot yesterday. Neighbors go Tuesday. Frustrated by sites that only use the internet, we chose one that only uses the phone for registration and appointments.
Bills, Christmas cards postmarked early December keep trickling in among recently postmarked items.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 01/30/2021 - 03:28:30
Emily Cunningham
Sounds like California is much more prepared than we are here.
The Cape is a bit of a mess right now with lots of confusion about
getting the vaccine! Glad to hear you will be taken care of soon!

Jennifer
USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 19:35:48
Great letter to editor in today's Cape Cod Times from a Chatham resident talking about how developers are ruining our town. I'm not able to find the link; however if anyone wants to read the letter shoot me an email - and I'll send it to you.
JudyP <judylpat@rcn.com>
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 17:52:16
I do believe that Goodspeed's Gulf took over from Joe Avellar, who ran the station back in the late 50's. I pumped gas for him back then to customers who might have paid 25 or 30 cents a gallon. I really wanted a Gulf Gas card, but unless you were wealthy, such a card was out of reach for some of us. Later, traveling from New England to where my ship was in Norfolk, VA, it was either carry some cash or have a singular gas credit card where you could put your purchase on only THEIR card.
Perhaps we have progressed somewhat.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 17:43:44
I am proud to say that the tape of the complete Chatham Band Concert was a video I took many years ago. Donna Lumpkin helped me give it to Liberty Commons. Yes, I am scheduled to receive my first vaccination next Monday! One of my doctors texted me! The hospital acquired a bad name for vaccinating the BIG DONORS first! (I was not one of them).
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/28/2021 - 09:35:02
Sister Nancy has received her second shot , Brother John and his wife in Maine are due to receive their first shots this Friday in Maine.
As for me and my wife in Eastham, my Dr. last week said he couldn't predict when we would get the first immunization. Maybe mid February. I guess I am not perceived as not sick enough to be bumped up in the line.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/27/2021 - 19:05:06
Has anyone been able to get an appointment for a COVID-19 vaccination?
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/27/2021 - 10:27:49
Donna, so sorry! He was a good man and a dear friend for many years.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 21:08:40
I am sorry to report that Benjamin K Goodspeed passed away this afternoon at Liberty Commons. He was 96 years old and did not have the Covid virus. He was listening to a Chatham Band Concert and went peacefully. The staff and Hospice people were very good to him.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 19:36:22
Sorry you find his death unworthy Richard. Maybe take it up with the people you vote into office.
JimP
USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 18:47:07
It hurts to read of a military man losing his life. My shipmate and friend Richard Gauthier, HM3/USN gave his life aboard the USS Intrepid in an effort to save the lives of shipmates. He was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal, posthumously, the highest honor he could have been given. He is buried in MA.
Can't we get some honor for him, like a Half Staff Day? He has no living relatives.
His vehicle didn't roll over.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 17:55:21
Jim P
please send me your email address.

Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Tue 01/26/2021 - 11:34:42
Richard, I have a copy of "Mon Reve" if you want to borrow it.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 23:12:36
Richard, he was a 34 year old Soldier serving his second tour in Korea. We still have over 40,000 Soldiers stationed in Korea. He also served two tours in Afghanistan. He died in a roll-over accident.

He was a typical white/caucasion American doing his duty.

JimP
USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 18:51:25
I would like to know more about SGT Wento. Was he a Korean who came to this country, got his citizenship and served with honor? Like so many men and women who immigrated and served their new country proudly?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 17:31:12
Please be advised that Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has ordered that the United States of America flag and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts flag be lowered to half-staff from sunrise until sunset at all state buildings on Monday, January 25th, the day of interment, in honor of Staff Sergeant James Lynch Wento, US Army, a native of Lynn, Massachusetts, who passed away on January 5, 2021 in South Korea.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 17:22:04
There is a question whether Wilfred used all his savings or Mrs. Shattuck helped him buy the 72 acres for the airport around 1929. He and my grandfather, George Goodspeed Sr., were great friends and flew a lot together. Wilfred and George had great mechanical ability. In 1935 they they started with a 1929 Model A Ford chassis and made a home-made tractor. Then they attached a large circular saw blade just above ground level and on a horizontal plane. Somehow it could be raised or lowered slightly. Wilfred would drive it straight toward a tree and the spinning blade would cut down the tree. They had a fast "tree feller". There is a better description and picture in the book "Mon Reve". Where there was a will, there was a way.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 16:27:54
Why are the flags at half mast in Chatham today?
Donna

Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Mon 01/25/2021 - 15:58:36
I do remember seeing Wilfred Berube at his airport, and yes, he did carve out the airfield with support from a wealthy Chatham woman. Ms. Shattuck, perhaps? His book is called "MonReve", aka My Dream. At least that is what I can recall. I gave away my copy, sadly.
Wilfred rigged up an old vehicle with a ground level saw to drive in to pine trees and cut them off close to the ground.
So many of us watched planes come and go at the airfield, way before TV . And we watched Howard Rose land his plane on North Beach. No problem. My friends Barry Fulcher and Ross Gould both had planes at the Chatham Airport.. Both of those men are what I consider the best mechanics I have ever dealt with.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 17:29:40
Ned, Berube Rd. is off of Wilfred Rd. which is off Old Queen Anne Rd.
Sylvia and Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 15:06:40
Jared: I've looked all over and can't find Berube Road. Is it off Queen Anne somewhere?

All: Does anyone know where the Monomick's main village was physically located? I know of locations where some were buried, yet, not where they actually lived. Any knowledge on this appreciated.

Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Spring , TX USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 11:39:31
Lisa, email me direct with your email add. or phone number and I will send photos. It does not look as bad as I thought it might.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 09:06:27
Elizabeth, the house is not exactly Cape Coddish. Actually it defies explanation.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/24/2021 - 06:34:13
Berube RD is it near or part of the Airport? Didn't Wilfred Berube create the airport?
Bill P
USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 19:50:32
If anyone wants to take their memory for a jog, who remembers these roads or where they are located? We talked about Broken Back Hill a few months ago, and even that shows up on GPS. Does anyone remember Berube Rd? I do from when I was a kid. It even had a sign. Not much traffic. How about Thomas Roger's Rd? Ring a bell?
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 18:16:24
I may have made a mistake on the house number for the plot on Joshua Jethro Road.It may now be 140. Don't worry, you can't mss it!
Nancy Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 11:13:22
Can anyone describe the house Polhemus is constructing on Holway Street to replace Mary Gould's Cape When I left in October, they had poured the foundation.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 10:48:09
To everyone upset at the razing of land for McMansions, I invite you to look at 325 Joshua Jethro Rd in Riverbay.It is not just happening on large lots with ocean views.What has been done to this plot of land to accompany a house that probably should not have been squeezed onto it is unbelievable.They should be ashamed of themselves.Greed is so very unbecoming.
Nancy Hendel <nanhendel@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 10:01:44
I just got my Dec.3rd Chronicle via Pony Express, but he must have thrown a shoe and gone lame coming across the country. I have read the e-edition on Wednesdays for years!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 09:46:12
Richard, I, for one, am in favor of bringing the boathouse back and would be willing to support the effort.
Tony
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/23/2021 - 08:11:38
I am assuming that the Chatham Selectboard will not be in favor of accepting the 1936 Coast Guard Boathouse for future municipal uses. They do have a fiduciary responsibility to the residents of Chatham, but my message to them is "sometimes you just have to take a chance ".

Acquiring and sponsoring the return of this building would honor the many Coast Guardsmen who have come to the aid of Chatham mariners in trouble, going back before 1915 to the U.S. Life-Saving Service. Acquiring this building would be acknowledging that yes, these men did exist in Chatham to save lives and yes, they did operate from this building.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/22/2021 - 17:39:46
Jim D, knowing you, your education, and your background..., gotta admit, I was laughing about you preferring hard-copy. You have to be one of the few guys I know who can remotely reprogram a paperclip...in flight.

HA!! Jim

JimP
USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 18:06:59
So where do we stand with the Chatham BOS regarding their essential and critical support for acquiring the Coast Guard Boathouse and returning it to Chatham? And where do we stand with the residents of Chatham? Are they in favor? Are they willing to donate to a non-profit entity to help pay for the return of the building?
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 17:07:36
I am the same way about my newspaper AND prefer a real book to Kindle. A matter of taste I guess.The Chronicle gives me so much pleasure.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 13:12:56
I just got my Dec.3rd Chronicle via Pony Express, but he must have thrown a shoe and gone lame coming across the country. I have read the e-edition on Wednesdays for years!
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 13:06:21
I don't know if it's been changed but several of us realized the e-edition didn't have the same info in it the printed edition has/had. Either way, I'm with Jim - I want the paper in my hand.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 12:04:41
@Bill P - as an MIT trained Computer Scientist who is one engineers who helped build the Internet, you'd think I'd be OK with the e-edition. But I'm still somewhat of a luddite in this respect -- I like the paper in my hand.

Plus, I need a supply of old newspapers to start the fireplace! ;-)

On a tangentially related point, I'd like to point out how great the Cape Cod Chronicle is when compared to many other local newspapers. Up here northwest of Boston, our local paper (the Acton Beacon) was bought several years ago by one of the big chains (Gatehouse Media/Gannett Company). It is now a complete joke. Some weeks the paper is so thin that I just laugh out loud when I pick it up. They tend to only have a very small number of local news stories (perhaps 2 or 3), a half a dozen regional stories unrelated to nearby towns and the rest is advertising. I hope the Cape Cod Chronicle continues to maintain its independence for a long time.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Thu 01/21/2021 - 11:29:49
James D, maybe it's time to move over to the E- edition online.
Bill P
USA - Wed 01/20/2021 - 14:06:33
Here's a data point on the previous discussion on the postal service: Today, Jan 20th, I received my Dec 24th and Dec 31st Cape Cod Chronicle in the mail. I'm still waiting for a christmas present ordered from Germany and sent on 15 Dec.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 01/20/2021 - 13:11:01
Nancy Ryder Petrus- I totally agree. And people should not complain if they never get involved! We came here early 60s and have seen many changes. I see changes each day I am out! Just like the coastline.
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/20/2021 - 09:12:23
In my humble opinion, Chatham has much soul. That is one of the many reasons I could not wait to move back. Surely it has changed, but what hasn't? My dad lived to be 98 and loved his town. He said one must accept change and he certainly lived his life doing just that. There is no better town to live in and I am so happy to be back!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/19/2021 - 22:35:32
Hello:
Have not seen Elaine and Ben posting for a long time, hope they are OK?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 01/19/2021 - 20:22:58
For those of you that were interested in the modular home sections that were in the church parking, they are putting it together now on the former Nickerson property on Old Harbor Rd.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 13:37:31
Richard it's good thing you don't live here anymore. Despite the problems we have many of us still love it.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 09:05:36
I agree with Amy.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 08:30:18
There is a lot of soul in Chatham, you just need to know where to look for it.
Amy
USA - Mon 01/18/2021 - 07:51:24
Remember back in the late 50's and 60's, when folks didn't want any apartments for perceived lower class folks. Now, this means houses are supposedly one family homes.
There are few if any open fields or vacant lots left as we knew back then. Chatham to me is becoming a wasteland, with short term Summer occupancy for most new construction and little soul left.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 18:45:42
Thanks for the info about the observatory, Wayne. Also, yes that house on Old Harbor Rd is gone.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 18:43:46
They look like FEMA trailers.
Bill P
USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 16:37:20
Donna and Gordon this was discussed on Facebook a bit ago. I said that I had heard a rumor that the man that bought Willard and Frances Nickerson's house on Old Harbor Rd. had some involvement with a modular home company and as he has had the house torn down I think that is a good bet. Also some other people had heard the same thing.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 13:59:28
Does anyone know where the buildings in the Catholic Church parking lot are going? Seems like a well kept secret.
Donna Lumpkin <lumpkins3@comcast.net>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 01/17/2021 - 13:16:29
Wayne - drove to Harborview today. Saw where that house was demo-ed. Also took a ride down Moonpenny Lane. Final swing through town was up Seaview Street. Totally unrecognizable. I was in shock. If anyone hasn't been on that street lately, take a ride.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 17:12:37
Forgot to add that Dad took his teenage sons to Sipsons Meadow as well as Strong Island Meadow, before daylight, to bail out the gunning box and set out decoys. Cold? for sure. We traveled in a 16 foot skiff from the Fish Pier powered by a 5 or 7 hp Johnson motor. With seawater spray freezing on my back.
"Many were cold but few were frozen", instead of many are called, few are chosen.

By the way, one day it was just Dad and I. He set out his goose shadows\ decoys. In a short while, some Canada geese lit in front of him. I heard, bang, then bang bang. Three shots were all that were allowed. When it came time to come home, I asked him how did he do? He replied that he had gotten two swimming with his first shot by lining up their necks. As the remaining birds jumped , two shots were fired, dropping the 3rd and 4th goose.
He was not only competitive at fishing, but "gunning" well. He was a hard act to follow in those activities.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 16:59:16
Jared, that observatory on Waveland was built by or for Roger Randall who lived in the house next door, his son Bart still lives there. Mr. Randall moved here with his family in the late fifties and became the guidance councilor at Chatham High. His older son was in my class in school and we are still friends to this day. Mr. Randall was very serious about his astronomical hobby.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 14:53:04
Jared, it is a Wally Bicknell who collects the change in the binocular machines! I saw him doing it last fall and asked him about the job. The Town gets the revenue about six times a year and the collector gets a small cut. Wally inherited the job from his Dad and Uncle. He also said lots of other stuff is crammed into those slots....like slugs and seashells etc.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 12:48:16
When there was a similar machine at Rock Harbor, I had the key to it and collected the quarters. A man from CT services each machine annually, across the country. He had some interesting stories. Those machines are very well made. We had to pay a rental fee of $500.00 up front but never collected enough to make a profit.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 12:10:27
Charlie Cormier did for a while...
Chick <ccjunk466@gmail .com>
MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 11:57:11
Jared, it is a Wally Bicknell who collects the change in the binocular machines! I saw him doing it last fall and asked him about the job. The Town gets the revenue about six times a year and the collector gets a small cut. Wally inherited the job from his Dad and Uncle. He also said lots of other stuff is crammed into those slots....like slugs and seashells etc.
Emily Cunningham <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 10:24:52
I come with trivia questions for those who might have answers.

Does anyone know the history of the observatory on Waveland Ave? Interesting little place that is well hidden.

And more importantly, does anyone know who collects the change from the binoculars down in front of the lights? Having spent all hours of the day and night in that parking lot through high school, and working for the Town for four years, I have NEVER seen anyone tend to those binoculars. Do gremlins come out at night and do it?

Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Sat 01/16/2021 - 09:49:21
Having hunted on North Beach as well as Ministers Point and Tern Island, I can say without a doubt it is much less expensive , and assured of success, to hunt the meat counters at Stop and Shop. They have domestic duck as well as frozen goat meat, for those so inclined.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 16:57:30
Seaducks John, AKA Eiders. Black and white males, browninsh females. Avidly shot, sometimes cooked and eaten at home. Used to be a Thanksgiving morning tradition where fishermen using dories, were towed by a "mother boat", then anchored to a spot where the birds dove on blue mussels. The mother boat would pick up the downed birds which, when the shoot was over, would be divvied up. That may well be why the recipe joked of cooking a mixture of bricks and Eiders,eating only the bricks.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 14:50:32
Hunting at Cape Cod National Seashore

Hunting is permitted for deer, upland game, and migratory waterfowl. There is no open season on non-game species.
Upland game is defined as:

Crow, Ruffed Grouse, Quail, English Sparrow, Starling, Pheasant, Eastern Wild Turkey.
Cottontail Rabbit, Snowshoe Hare, Opossum, Raccoon, Fox, Coyote, Gray Squirrel, Red Squirrel, Chipmunk, Weasel, Skunk, and Woodchuck.

With certain exceptions, hunting seasons and regulations are in accordance with Massachusetts State hunting regulations. You are responsible for knowing both the state and federal regulations that govern hunting within CCNS.

Bill P
USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 13:00:43
I believe I am hearing hunters on North Beach Island in the very early mornings
starting at about 7 AM. Probably with shotguns. Does anyone know anything about
this? During which months is hunting allowed in Chatham? And where?

john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/15/2021 - 12:01:31
When I spent summers as a kid we had a new house, a small ranch. Not like the houses today for sure. It was on dirt road and get this, no heat. Even though it was new it was considered a summer house so why pay to install a heating system.

That was the view back then, small and frugal. Today it's bring Wellesly and Newton to Chatham.

Bill P
USA - Thu 01/14/2021 - 22:30:51
Wayne - I'll have to check out Harborview . Haven't been by there in a while. I'm amazed at the amount of building going on in this town . Whatever happened to our quaint little town? Ugly mcmansions everywhere. Very few tasteful Cape Cod homes built anymore. Just sad to see the town being over run with these awful houses.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/14/2021 - 21:14:13
Judy, The new house you saw from Harding's is at the end of Moonbeam off of Moonpenny.It seems it is a new house on a very large lot with an other house on it. And to James I went by 86 Harbor View and was appalled. That was a
great house and was in it many times. When I drove by I felt a strange noise and I think it was Matt spinning in his grave.

Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
west chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/14/2021 - 19:50:32
Jim - just got back from a walk to Harding's Beach. I saw the bluff but even more amazing is the new house over at Stage Neck going up. It's right by or off Moonpenny Lane. Each time I walk I notice more and more of the vegetation has been cut down to enhance the owner's views. I wonder what the Conservation folks would have to say about this? Years ago even the thought of building where these houses are now would never be allowed.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/13/2021 - 16:25:46
Richard - you were talking about looking up from Hardings Beach at the overly large houses on the bluff. There was one house up there that was a traditional Cape, sized for an average family. That was 86 Harbor View Rd. It was torn down a few months ago and I shudder to think what they are building now.

When that traditional cape was last sold, it was $2.1 million.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 01/13/2021 - 12:49:56
Chathsm365 is a group advocating for keeping/attracting younger families in town. One of the ways to do that (in their opinion and mine). They are not required to produce an unbiased survey. They are looking for people to help with their cause. In addition, the only question asked that really doesn't give you an option is "Why do you feel it is important to keep an elementary school in Chatham?" However, if you don't think it's important you can easily answer that you don't think so.

On the other hand, the school districts survey was also very biased in the opposite direction. It was very clear that the superintendent's desired solution was to combine the schools. That survey certainly should have been an impartial survey and not pushing the superintendent's agenda.

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 19:29:30
The Mass Dept of Transportation is meeting with the BOS at 6:30 tonite to discuss issues with the rotaries etc. if anyone wants to join in please dial 508-945-4410 and the meeting id# is 134208476.. this is a great opportunity to discuss your concerns.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 18:14:26
Justin - I heard that as well. As far as the Chatham 365 Committee survey that is being circulated - it's a one way survey that is geared towards keeping the school and does not give any room for comments. If you choose not to answer one of the few one sided questions you can't move on to complete it. Maybe those that are looking into this issue could provide the residents of Chatham a well thought out survey? There should be room for folks to express different viewpoints and come up with some solutions. Just a thought.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 17:25:23
In regards to the survey, the results that are in the Chronicle, while accurate, are very misleading. Yes a majority of parents and staff preferred the one school option. But that is because a majority of the parents and staff taking the survey were from Harwich. If you look at the responses from Chatham an overwhelming majority wanted to keep separate schools. Also in that survey, the option of each town paying for its own elementary school was never given.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 17:15:08
Folks: In the past the Edges and the Chapman's hosted Chat-M-Room parties. They were a lot of fun (e.g., lots of good food, laughter, lying and tall tale stories). Who can forget our illegal fireworks show that went awry and started shooting rockets at a number of distinguished seniors on the back deck. They scattered like they were still in High School. I believe John H. posted some of the pictures above. In any event, a few of us feel it's high time we do another in June or early July. Who's up for it? Send an email to me if you are and we'll get her on the Summer Agenda. Happy to host it if no one else wants to. As in the past, we'll provide meat and hootch. In turn, you can bring a Cape Cod themed side or desert (which will considered in an informal cooking contest). Thoughts or support? No pressure if no one wants to do it and we will have to take the COVID issue (which will hopefully be over) into consideration.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 17:00:16
In my travels in Chatham this past Monday, I went to the Hardings Beach area, the "Dike", and of course along the "Boulevard"., AKA Shore Road.
It is plain to see the many VERY large homes that are not occupied at this time of year. Looking from the Hardings Beach parking lot up the bluff, there was not one house that could be considered within reach of any young family. In fact, they are all way larger than our modest home in Eastham. Multiply that by Seaview Street, Oyster Pond Furlong, Horne's Cottages, Barn Hill, Eastward Ho, Ministers Point, etc.

Several years ago, when I was to give a talk to Middle School kids about the CG 36500, I asked at the Desk "How many kids were born to Chatham parents last year?" Answer: One
I will leave you with that.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 16:53:56
Bill et. al.: Appears that Survey results can be found at www.monomy.edu on page 3674. This is a complicated and interwoven decision you Chatham voters have. From this Washashore's perspective it seems the larger related issue is linked to securing affordable housing in Chatham for young families. Then again, what do I know?
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 14:38:03
Cynthia, can you at least give some info on how to find it? I found the other survey but not the one your talking about.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 12:46:31
https://capecodchronicle.com/en/5551/chatham/6693/In-Survey-Parents-Prefer-A-Single-Monomoy-Elementary-School.htm

"A survey of parents of Chatham and Harwich elementary school students as well as elementary school staff shows that a majority prefers housing all Monomoy Regional School District elementary students in one building."

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 12:40:37
apparently the chat room will not allow such a long URL. Friend me on facebook and see the survey
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 08:24:55
Next topic: The Chatham Elementary School
There is a survey online to fill out if interested.
I would love to know where the person was educated that did up the survey. Simple language goes a long way. But that's just me. Keep things simple. I did the survey and I hope I did NOT sign up to stand in the cold with a clipboard at the dump.
The link in another post.

Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/12/2021 - 08:23:26
After watching couples involved in launching and retrieving boats at various ramps in different states, I have come to the conclusion that many divorces are started at these events.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 19:30:53
Cynthia, getting a very early start will increase your chances of getting a parking spot. Knowing how to back a trailer will significantly decrease the time from the ramp to the parking space and also help. Watching summer people on the ramp can be a point of entertainment or aggravation depending on your perspective.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham , MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 19:03:27
All: Good stuff. Great ideas. Cynthia, the floor is yours now. You must have a couple of cool Chatham topics that we can all consider and pontificate on this chilly January afternoon. Got anything a bit more interesting?
Ned Chapma <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 14:50:48
the non boater in the family would deliver the trailer boat and people- then drive away with trailer to return at an appointed time. Maybe people have to limit themselves to how many outings so everyone gets there. I have already lost interest in this issue :)
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 10:59:25
Cynthia - there is never room to park the boat and trailer at any of the landings. . . that's the main problem I see.. . not sure - - maybe others have more info. .
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 10:31:28
Not a boater here by a long shot but... I if went pleasure fishing I would get a trailer and launch my boat each time. Is that not feasible? Educate me.
Cynthia Moore
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 09:31:01
When I signed up for a mooring in Oyster River about ten years ago, the Assistant Harbormaster looked me up and down and said "not in your lifetime."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 01/11/2021 - 07:12:51
Many thanks Bill. Appreciated.
Ned Chapma <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:34:52
Better link.

https://chathamma.mooringinfo.com/ndr/menu.php

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:26:12
How do I get a mooring?A person requesting an assignment of a new mooring location and issuance of a new mooring permit shall complete and submit a "Town of Chatham Mooring Application" provided by the Office of the Harbormaster and pay the appropriate fee.If there is no berth available in the area requested, the applicant may request to be placed on the "waiting list" for the desiredmooring location and pay the appropriate fee.Mooring permit and waiting list applications are available at the Harbormaster Office and on the Harbormaster website at https://www.chatham-ma.gov/harbormaster/pages/misc-applications-etc
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:24:06
Geez Louise!! I just looked at the Harbormaster's Mooring Wait List and it's a bit daunting. 10-15 years at some locations. Looks like we need to consider Plan B, a dingy that I can haul in and out daily to do some fishing with my boys.
Ned Chapma <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:20:51
Not good news but it is what it is,

https://www.chatham-ma.gov/harbormaster/pages/mooring-wait-lists

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 16:18:53
Guys: Need a bit of boating guidance from the braintrust. What's the proper procedure to get on a Mooring List in Chatham? We did it back in 2010, and the wait was a couple of years it seemed. We sold our place on Doane Road before we got called up. Any general best practice guidance appreciated around how, when, timing, etc. In all likelihood I'll just have to launch from somewhere in town this summer. What town landings can we do this from? Sorry for all the greenhorn questions, yet, we've been out of the Chatham game for a while. Many thanks.
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 15:34:22
Sunday morning power outage near town. How about other areas?
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 01/10/2021 - 10:49:08
As a long time OHS/CHO Board member, I can say we did look at the possibility of bringing the Boathouse back to Pleasant Bay , and hoisting it up to the top of the rise where the Pleasant Bay Boating, etc place is. They would have had half, the 36500 on permanent display in the other.
Events and facts cancelled our further interest. The building is too wide to offload a barge big enough to float it at Rock Harbor or River Road near Meetinghouse Pond.
Anyone got any other ideas?
Moving the Boathouse to the present Harbormaster site at Stage Harbor Road as another choice for relocation is an option.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 17:06:35
Perhaps like CG36500, the Orleans Historical Society should look into bringing the boathouse back to Cape Cod.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 14:42:31
Now is a good time to be on Kreme and Kone e-mail "specials" ! Today it is their fried haddock sandwich....fries or rings! YUM
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 14:32:05
I am appalled and saddened to learn that the Selectmen "balked" at the efforts of private citizens and private money to bring the Coast Guard building back where it belongs! The Town could have purchased it for a buck, but waffled around, as usual and we lost another iconic feature of our beautiful and historic town. Why can't these people make a decision? It has been inspected and was probably built like a fortress with timber's from Maine that will last hundreds of years. The Godfrey Gristmill has lasted since the 1700s of similar engineering and construction. HONOR OUR PAST!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 14:30:10
Ned, you and a thousand others would like to find a solid old whaler. Good luck.
Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 11:46:31
Supporters of acquiring the Boathouse were waiting for a commitment from the BOS. Steps have been taken to provide a conduit for fund raising. Positive feedback from the BOS would speed things up.
Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 10:59:17
Ned - that's generous offer for the donation. Several folks have asked me if anyone is aware of any website or address, etc, to donate towards bringing the boathouse back. Does anyone have any information on that?
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 08:40:04
Judy, I let a lot of things pass but when you call out seniors I had to respond,you do a lot of complaining about how the town runs witch is okay I myself have issues but if you don't like it then run for selectmen but remember till you walk a mile in one person's shoes , you may not complain as much. As for the roundabouts I have no issues with them, I feel safer now than with the turning lane or as I call it passing lane.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 08:33:36
Folks: A quick side topic for your sage consideration this winter. We're looking for a solid vintage Boston Whaler to putz around Pleasant Bay with this spring. A 17' Montauk (1960s to 1970s) with a teak center console specifically. If any of the Chat M Room family members can point us in the right direction to locate one and purchase, we'd be pleased to make a $1K donation to the local Chatham charity of your choice in your name. We like and appreciate old things and would appreciate any guidance the group can provide. Many thanks!
Ned and Julie Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/09/2021 - 01:50:10
Crayton - I found your comment way off base that I don't like the elderly. Had you gone to town meeting in March you would have heard the speech I gave advocating for them. As far as your comments about the way things are in this town - you can sit back and enjoy your retirement; however as long as I'm a taxpayer here I'm entitled along with every taxpayer who pays the salaries of town officials to make sure our money is wisely spent. If you are ok with taxpayers voting down the rotarys and then having the BOS overturn that vote - that speaks volumes. If you are ok with the amount of roads that have been ripped up due to poor oversight of our town officials because pipes weren't placed deep enough - along with another whole set of problems, that's your prerogative. If you approve of the way the construction was handled at the fish pier once again, that's your preference. There's many of us that are watching the ridiculous amount of cost overruns because of poor management. As long as I'm working full time I'm going to advocate for the taxpayers . When I have the pleasure of retiring I most likely will seriously consider running. In the meantime you sit back and enjoy your retirement.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 20:15:05
I am appalled and saddened to learn that the Selectmen "balked" at the efforts of private citizens and private money to bring the Coast Guard building back where it belongs! The Town could have purchased it for a buck, but waffled around, as usual and we lost another iconic feature of our beautiful and historic town. Why can't these people make a decision? It has been inspected and was probably built like a fortress with timber's from Maine that will last hundreds of years. The Godfrey Gristmill has lasted since the 1700s of similar engineering and construction. HONOR OUR PAST!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 19:54:18
Judy, I let a lot of things pass but when you call out seniors I had to respond,you do a lot of complaining about how the town runs witch is okay I myself have issues but if you don't like it then run for selectmen but remember till you walk a mile in one person's shoes , you may not complain as much. As for the roundabouts I have no issues with them, I feel safer now than with the turning lane or as I call it passing lane.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 19:35:27
All: Justin makes some valid points regarding the Coast Guard Boathouse. New is often better. Yet, I think that we can all agree that high-grading and using a historic building has lots of benefits (e.g., classy statement, reminds people of Chatham's heroic seafaring past, well built and fit for purpose) and this has been successfully used elsewhere (e.g., Boston, Philadelphia, London, LA and San Francisco). As long as she can still do the job, why not use her? Perhaps there's some middle ground for the Chatham generations to consider. By way of example, high-grade the inside of the Boat House. For my two cents, I'm a supporter of bringing her home and we're happy to support this initiative.
Ned and Julie Chapman <chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 18:12:17
Crayon - I'm sorry you feel that way. Why stay so quiet? It's always the same folks pushing this. My brother and I both experienced less than satisfactory services from the current regime when we reached out for help. My neighbors also experienced the same. I also was on the receiving end of a really nasty conversation from an individual that was so horrible I ended up getting a selectman involved and reached out to Jill Goldsmith . I could go on and on about the issues there - which is why it has left such a bad taste in my mouth and I will never support it. I do not believe it's fair to others to support this expenditure with the current plans they have in place. The last thing this town needs is another vacant building. We also have a Community Center that is under-utilized that has plenty of unused space as well as the Elementary School. Why not work with what we have? Do we really need to be involved in another project after the Fish Pier and the rotaries? Town management has made it abundantly clear they're not up to the task of managing projects.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 17:09:50
I was under the impression that there is already a lot of money obligated for the proposed upweller/marine related uses at the Bridge. To the tune of 3 million perhaps.. By the way, when Old Harbor Station was moved from North Beach, it was only 79 years old. Now it is 122 ! It is one of the best preserved and furnished, if not the best, of the 27 similar designed stations built in the country. Most of them are long gone. Too bad it and the CG 36500 weren't kept in Chatham.
The boathouse was built in 1936, which makes it 84. CG 36500 will be 75 this June. Time flies when you are having fun.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 17:04:29
Judy, I'm offended that you don't think kindly of us old folks just because you don't or won't use the COA when you had bad experience with parents. That is no reason to treat seniors as second class citizens.I think a new COA is needed and the time has come for them.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:47:58
Bill - I agree the current building should suffice. I also am not into paying taxes for a few students only to attend the elementary school when attendance has been declining for years. Folks need to think outside the box before committing 9 million for a COA when other options could potentially exist. As far as the boathouse - there is history there but I'm not sure those expenses would be approved at a town meeting. The boathouse did leave Hull today for Quincy where it will be placed in storage until a place for it is found in Chatham. That was reported today by the Chronicle.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:38:22
Their is nothing wrong with the current COA building.

The boathouse is history and should be saved. Their is minimal cost involved.

Don't we all still like the RR museum. What if the selectman back then said no, to much effort.

Bill P
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:03:43
Just seems some people here like to talk for everyone else. You are more than entitled to your opinion, but not to speak for all younger people. Yes I understand how taxes work, and I'm willing to pay my share to support my town.

I'm also tired of hearing about the pandemic as a reason against the COA. I understand that it looks bad. However, by the time it is built and we start paying for it the pandemic will be behind us.

I also find your comment about keeping the elementary school intriguing.....

Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 16:03:11
I am very much in favor of getting the Boathouse back to Chatham. We have lost to many of our historical artifacts already
Tony Murphy
West Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 15:40:18
Justin - you appear to be in the minority. I have spoken to so many younger folks and we all feel the same - regardless whether or not a boathouse is in the mix. Do you realize you'll be paying taxes on it for multiple years to come? The younger folks seem to have their own sets of friends and groups they belong to these days. I do not see myself ever going to a cooking class or using any type of service that facility would provide - especially based on past experiences many of us have had with aging parents. If we want to keep the Elementary School, we should figure out a way to incorporate both. To build a 9 million dollar facility to satisfy a few folks and spend that kind of money is beyond ridiculous in a pandemic. I have no comment on the boathouse.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 14:25:43
Pretty sure I'm part of that "younger age group" you are talking about and would rather have a proper modern COA in town than some old boathouse.
Justin
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/08/2021 - 12:53:54
Richard - the Board of Selectmen have no authority to commit taxpayers money that hasn't been approved /appropriated by the town. They seem to be more interested at this point in building a COA for folks currently in the 80-90 year age group and have folks that are 40 +'pay for it forever - without taking into account the younger age group wants nothing to do with a COA.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 20:45:27
Gordon, I have no idea. Building Department will know.
I am very disappointed that the Chatham BOS could not see their way clear to give support to moving the Coast Guard Boathouse. with private funds !!!!
If they had been around in 1491, this country wouldn't have been discovered by Columbus. Or, if they were around in Leyden in 1620, they would not have boarded the Mayflower. Too risky.
They should have gone to visit the building (maybe they did) and see for themselves just how well built the building is. It is a very simple building, heavily built but with no plumbing, no electricity, no interior walls to complicate things . What you see is what you get.
Another historic Chatham building potentially lost due to severe handwringing and inaction by elected officials.

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 17:24:37
Richard.... Where are those Modular Homes going, that are in the Catholic Church parking lot ???? I ask you because you know every thing ..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 13:58:40
Now is a good time to be on Kreme and Kone e-mail "specials" ! Today it is their fried haddock sandwich....fries or rings! YUM
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 13:10:02
Beth - thank you for posting that! I have yet to read the Chronicle but it seems there is always something left out that can make a difference. I hope Lily's was mentioned as well.
Judy P.
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 09:32:46
The Chronicle has an article this week denoting which local restaurants are closing for the winter and those that are remaining open. Sad to see they ignored to mention two terrific local businesses owned and operated by hard-working minorities -- Public Cafe and Branches Grill. Please support them too.
Beth
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/07/2021 - 07:54:13
Here's one for all you chathamites who always like to discuss and think in the past. About 65 miles up the road (Cambridge), you had an emigrant, Noubar Afeyan, thinking about the past as well. He is now a hero to the world, you see this guy was at his daughter's birthday party about a year ago where he owns Flagship Pioneering, supporting incubating companies. One of them is Moderna. From out of left field he was thinking about his past with another friend, having a beer and with a few giggles, remembering bits and pieces about mRNA (messenger RNA)-hmmmm. He remembered the sequence of the strand of mRNA that was known for more than 10 years. Rather then sit there and doing nothing he moved. Moved out of the past with notes off a Rest. napkin and into the future- like lightning fast.
He thought-a factory could be the cell, the mRNA could be used as the molecule that ferries the DNA instruction to the cell's protein making machinery that in turn, makes proteins (antibodies) that can fight disease-hence the vaccine is born. Noubar was no MIT or Harvard Graduate, he was someone creative with the past and he conquered SARS-CoV-2 ("Covid"), I've never seen the press even talk about this remarkable true Story. You heard it first in the Chztham chatroom, hope you can get by the tiny technical presentation and move towards the original point at the start of this post.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 01/06/2021 - 22:28:14
Some good news, at least this point, the Cape cod baseball league took the positive step in announcing their 2021 schedule with an opening day June 12.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 01/06/2021 - 07:53:47
Happy New Year fellow Chat-M-Room fellowship. I sure hope it's a good one for us all. Tommy (AKA neighbor) many thanks for the warm welcome to the neighborhood. We're enjoying our very first cup of coffee in the new home right now. Man, we sure missed this town! All: I went up to Ace Hardware yesterday and bought a bunch of new household stuff including loose hand tools. Does anyone know where I can buy an old metal tool box (with some patina to her). If you do, please send me a separate email. I need it kinda pronto and can pick it up anywhere. Many thanks. We're looking forward to Chatham again and hanging out with many of you good folks.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 15:56:25
Tim Wood updated the status of the Coast Guard Boathouse yesterday, 31 December, on the Chronicle website. Great news, but we still have a way to go to get the building back to Chatham. There soon will be a place to make your donations to defray the upfront costs of permitting in Hull, moving it, storing it in Quincy (again) etc.
Happy New Year, with huge thanks to David Doherty !!

Richard G. Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 15:51:16
Happy New Year fellow Chat-M-Room fellowship. I sure hope it's a good one for us all. Tommy (AKA neighbor) many thanks for the warm welcome to the neighborhood. We're enjoying our very first cup of coffee in the new home right now. Man, we sure missed this town! All: I went up to Ace Hardware yesterday and bought a bunch of new household stuff including loose hand tools. Does anyone know where I can buy an old metal tool box (with some patina to her). If you do, please send me a separate email. I need it kinda pronto and can pick it up anywhere. Many thanks. We're looking forward to Chatham again and hanging out with many of you good folks.
Ned Chapman <Chapman.law777@gmail.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 09:54:34
Happy New Year and a safe year.
Crayton Nickerson <cnick2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 01/01/2021 - 08:25:58
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