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We seem to be getting off track re the paint shed. The posting was about All kinds of paint, there just happened to be some bottom paint there at the time. We have seen all kinds of folks looking for all kinds of paint. From the adult and child looking for enough to paint a birdhouse ; to someone looking for spray paint for a piece of metal yard furniture they just got at the swap shop to getting expensive mildew resistant paint for a single bath when they only need less than 2 quarts for their ceiling.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 18:13:13
Yes, copper bottom paint is by design toxic. Men and women who work on the CG36500 have the advantage of using Festool Sanders, which when the sander is turned on, the vacuum turns on. There is a two-step filtration system; the vacuum sucks dust through the sanding disc holes.
Great machines, provided by a grant from the Boston Marine Society, the oldest such Society in the world.
And yes, I have heard of red pepper being used.
To remove all of the red copper based paint on the CG36500, it will take some effort before we can go to the newer stuff.( Captain Bob Ryder did the last removal job.) We will tackle that
with needle guns next season.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 18:11:33
There are some excellent water based bottom paints now which are easy to apply and clean up is soap and water. Pettit Hydracoat is one. I've used it the last few years and it works great
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 16:21:31
Thank you Alan. The Some of the old timers used to add a little creosote to their bottom paint, claimed it worked very well. Others added ground red pepper to their paint. We did this one year with good results.[pepper that is]
Most people may not realize this but the Moderator has the right to bar the doors and order the police to stop people from leaving in order to keep a quorum so they can finish town meeting. We have been there when this was done but its been awhile.

Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/20/2019 - 09:33:12
About the subject of paint
Ablative red paint implies that the active ingredient is lead oxide which has been outlawed for at least 5 years now due to the high lead content. There is only one company in all of the USA who continues to produce and I guess with a waiver.

Most use Interlux products (the "blue cans") with copper which offers no improvement where the environment is concerned. And if you are involved with preparing your surface with sand paper, the dust coming off is brutal to the body. Protection is highly recommended!

Pettit (the green cans) actually calls out another ablative called "Econea"
which is organic and much safer, it has been on the market for about 5 years and yes it is more expensive, but it works without having to deal with copper.

The US Navy has been conducting studies with "Econea" to assist them with at least some of the copper used.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/19/2019 - 20:45:38
Most moderators use Town Meeting Time as their guide. Under TMT reconsideration can be brought up on any night of a town meeting that extends more than one night unless the town has an express rule against reconsiderations on other than the night the original motion is moved. Does Chatham have an express rule barring reconsideration? If so, then Amy is correct. If not, voter be warned.
USA - Sun 05/19/2019 - 13:11:14
Richard, Thanks for the offer but we have all we need. We know a lot of shell fishermen [and women] have been getting their boat and shed paint there for years. It just doesn't make any sense to us. There are a bunch of different metal units to collect clothes, some who only sell what they collect, not like the Salvation Army who have stores. Also, a group collects the glass returnable bottles to support their cause. Seems a shame that Chatham residents cant take a little paint.
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/19/2019 - 11:19:03
We have some old red bottom paint (better part of a gallon) left over from earlier days of the CG36500. It is a brand and type we don't use anymore but would be fine for another, smaller slow moving vessel. Would need some serious stirring, We use a small propeller in an electric drill to get things mixed together again.

By the way, alll parking slots at the Lights were filled this morning at 1015 when I went by on my way to tend to the CG36500, safely ensconced in the CG Garage around the corner..

Belated Happy Birthday to Nancy Ryder Petrus, whose Bday was yesterday. I didn't forget, just was late in posting.

Richard Gould Ryder <>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/18/2019 - 17:45:25
Soooo... We went to the dump, sorry, landfill, sorry, solid waste disposal, sorry, transfer station... recycling area????? and found we can no longer get paint from the paint shed. People have been getting paint from the shed for years, including very expensive paint for the bottom of boats. We thought we were supposed to recycle things but when we try to we are stopped by staff. Not staff fault, but the person in charge. Whats going on????
Alice <>
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/18/2019 - 08:35:55
The moderator did bring up electronic voting to see if there was any interest and sadly there wasn't. There are some interesting trains of thoughts here. Town Meeting is just so long and late, I wish there was better way to deal with it.
USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 20:54:48
I was 15 when I attended a Chatham Town Meeting, the same one that citizens voted to buy a new Huber Road Maintainer. I now own major parts of that machine !
Anyway, I am a very firm believer in the Town Meeting form of government. I would heartily recommend the use of electronic voting, as we here in Eastham have taken to. It moves things along smartly, and is not subject to voice votes which can be misinterpreted by the Moderator. People can vote privately and quickly without anyone else knowing how they voted. We got through a 30 plus article Warrant in one evening. Finished by 10 PM.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 19:45:08
I'd like to correct several misstatements set forth in recent posts. Selectman Dykens did not cut off the debate. The town meeting (those assembled) voted by a majority to cut off debate. He just made a motion to do so. And a motion for reconsideration can only be done on the same night the article was voted. Finally, look at the size of the warrant. How could that be reduced to a ballot? Further, no one would have the benefit of debate and education. I think town meeting is the last bastion of our democracy, where we the people vote on what happens in our town. Sometimes we win and sometimes we don't. Depends on your perspective. As for turn out, those who show up do win, just like at the ballot box. We once tried town meeting on a Saturday and people complained. We've tried town meeting at 6, 6:30, and 7. Someone will always be unhappy.
USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 16:37:56
I still think Town Meetings should be done away with and give voters a chance to vote on the issues on election day. More folks would vote this way than those who show up for Town Meetings. The other issue is one of common courtesy - folks "boo" those that voted when they don't agree with the results. Just another perspective.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 15:12:43
Town meetings are controlled by the moderator, not the selectmen. Having said that, anyone can move to end the discussion and a simple majority will decide the motion. Although a 4 minute rule was set out, it is still within the moderator's purview to allow a longer time. One thing that is always dangerous is a motion for reconsideration. A motion that fails on the first night of town meeting can be reconsidered on the second night. If those who defeated the motion on the first night fail to show up on the second, there is a likelihood that the reconsidered motion may pass.
USA - Wed 05/15/2019 - 12:51:45
I flew from CA for this debacle? I am very disappointed in Selectman Dykens to arrogantly cut off debate on the ADU bylaw, while winking at Mrs. Halpern. This is not how a democracy works. The young folks in the bleachers will be shocked to discover that they will not be benefitted by 10 ADUs per year at the market rate. Our workforce and our schools will empty out. Old Chatham is gone. The new Chatham will rue these decisions when their McMansions are empty shells.
Emily Cunningham <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/14/2019 - 13:12:52
COA was voted down. Folks did not want a palace built in the woods. A new site selection of private and town owned property will be investigated for a new location. Interesting debate on the ADU's. Several of us saw what we perceived to be unethical behavior by a Selectman tonight. Folks are not happy. There was a healthy debate going back and forth about ADU's. Several folks were still waiting to speak; however one of the Selectman moved to cut the debate off - and those in favor of the ADU's loudly said "YES". To me, it seemed the majority of folks left to speak were not in favor of them; however, I could be mistaken. There were about 4-6 folks left on the floor that had been waiting quite some time to speak. I thought this was uncalled for. BTW - the ADU's passed - so now we have unenforceable "affordable" housing added to the mix. Folks were still talking about how this was not a democracy in action. The other interesting item - a motion was made at the beginning of the night to limit folks to 4 minutes to speak. The moderator and others allowed folks to go past that time limit. Again - democracy in action. I hope that soon, Town Meetings will be done away with and folks can vote on these articles. Too hard to get folks there on a work night. If they go - they leave after their article is voted on. I left in total disgust after the speakers were cut off and the vote was taken on ADU's.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/13/2019 - 21:15:45
Could it be a big "peoples night" in the town of Chatham?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/13/2019 - 16:53:54
Interesting to hear at the BOS meeting last night the State is now reneging on their landscaping designs for our new "West Chatham Corridor". Now the Town is forming a negotiating committee to deal with the State on this. Perhaps this happened because of poor follow-up by staff and Town Manager? Thankfully Selectman decided not to put this before Town Meeting asking tax payers to fund this. What is interesting is that no one saw this coming? This has been a joke since inception. The road is in deplorable shape with massive chunks of properties ripped out. It's pretty embarrassing when service people come to houses and ask ""doesn't Chatham ever get tired of spending money?". I hope folks show up to Town Meeting next week and vote down that ridiculous palace they want for a new Senior Center. It's really time to put the brakes on ridiculous spending and fix what we have.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/07/2019 - 06:03:20
While perusing a Chatham 1933 Town report, I see that Levi T. Denson, Town Clerk, paid out $5.00 for one seal bounty during the year.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/04/2019 - 19:04:53
By my 4/24 post you know I feel the same way about The Squire. May it continue to be the iconic gathering place it has always been.
USA - Fri 05/03/2019 - 10:39:59
I sure hope nothing changes at the Squire. It's one of the greatest bars in the world!
PhilH <>
Wilton, CT USA - Thu 05/02/2019 - 20:19:26
Horray! Horray! It's the first of May,
Outdoor frolicks start today!

I'll be cooking chowder today, thinking reverently of those that have gone ahead, over the bar.

Memories are what we have, and can't be taken from us.

N8 Plambeck <>
Rhinebeck, NY USA - Wed 05/01/2019 - 08:31:16
The Squire has been sold!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/30/2019 - 19:38:53
I've been wondering about the sign at the UU Church advertising a Pete Seeger event. Maybe it is a concert of Pete's songs, but Pete died in 2014. The sign is at best confusing.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/30/2019 - 16:37:19
One quarter inch of ice this Spring morning in Chatham. Yikes!
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/29/2019 - 07:34:49
I miss one connection: going to sleep to the Pollock Rip and Stonehorse foghorns. However I'm glad no Coastguardsman has to stay out there on those vessels, and I'm grateful that I still can spend summer and fall in my beautiful hometown. See you all in early June.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill , NJ USA - Sat 04/27/2019 - 18:51:09
Emily: Apology for a unintended blocking of part of a valid word that i had added recently to edit table slightly incorrectly, ok? Have updated table and your original post to fix the issue and deleted your second post.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/26/2019 - 10:53:57
Ben, I think there is a big difference between connection vs attraction. Connection means memories such as strolling down uncrowded Main St., the Methodist Church clock chimes, the fog horn, dormant, crisp brown lawns, dropping a line off Bridge St., walking the loop, and the two toots when passing a friend's house. The attraction is that Chatham has an affluent summer life such as an expensive, exclusive Country Club, a tennis club, good restaurants, good shopping, fresh seafood, free beaches, low Real Estate taxes, it is off the beaten path and there are plenty of people happy to have you move here and change it all!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 04/25/2019 - 07:53:33
Days Gone By: walking back along SHR from uptown on a warm summer day with salt water taffy, getting peppermint stick ice cream from HoJo's after Oyster Pond swimming lessons, smelling the newsprint and wood floors in the old Mayflower, tidal pools at Lighthouse Beach.
More Recently: early breakfast at Sandi's, fresh coffee from Chatham Village Cafe, overlook at Lighthouse.
Somewhere In Between: Last call at the Squire.
Every Time I'm Lucky Enough To Be In Chatham: family and friends also converging to make new memories.

USA - Wed 04/24/2019 - 12:06:43
Emily what a nice thought about this group of friends - what does everyone think is Chatham's strongest connection - my thoughts are band concert, baseball, outer beach, hardings beach, everyone knows everyone community - just sayin
USA - Tue 04/23/2019 - 22:23:42
Thanks Bob, happens all summer, but there should not be mail being delivered! I will address the issue with the USPS when I arrive. My neighborhood is gone. So sad to see one more tear-down, two more McMansions by Marsh, rental compound for sale, Fran Gallagher's, and the new almost 6 million Estate behind the Queen Anne Inn. All waiting for the rich and famous who don't care a whit about the serious problems Chatham is facing. See you at Town Meeting!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 04/22/2019 - 14:06:21
Not very nice weather, with no sun scheduled until later in the week. High temp of 60, so it is a typical Cape Cod spring. Ocean temperatures now in the mid 40's off the Outer Beach and 48 in Nantucket Sound.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/21/2019 - 13:21:19
Well, Emily, the highlight of my week was noticing that your mailbox was open with mail in it. By the time I got back to close it someone else had done so. Way too much happening construction-wise, but I think you know that.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/21/2019 - 11:42:04
Happy Easter to all on the CHAT-M-Room.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/21/2019 - 11:14:43
Soon to be back home, but when this room gets quiet, to me, it's like losing a friend. What's up these beautiful Spring days? Happy Easter!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 04/19/2019 - 20:40:39
Some of the older residents of Chatham may remember Jim Woodland who was a Chatham commercial fisherman. He and his wife had a home on Crowell Road before moving to Florida some years ago. Jim, who is Bruce's older brother, passed away yesterday at the age of 93.
Anna Olson Woodland <>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 04/12/2019 - 12:42:48
Once again, "The Dredge Report" has been emailed to a number of Chatham residents. I get one and I don't know how they pick and choose. It draws reference to some articles from the Chronicle.. I continue to believe this email campaign will be unsuccessful until the sources identify themselves.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/12/2019 - 11:38:51
As I look at it, a good Mariner traveling the coast, should use all what is available to him, GPS, Radar, and the dead Rec. approach to navigation.

Just as a matter of interest, Mr. Ryder's Niantic Skiff work, is not so far away from a timed VOR Approach to a runway

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 21:08:50
Inspired by the Wikipedia entry, I hauled out my trusty compact OED and confirmed that "dead reckoning" has been used as a navigational term since 1631. Sort of like "dead ahead," apparently. I tried looking for "deduced" or "ded," but eye strain set in. Hopefully, some of these pre-tech skills don't slide into "Never heard of it, don't need it, I've got GPS." Thanks for everyone's comments.
USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 12:51:01
Back in the late 70's when I had a 16' skiff with no electronics, I used to run compass courses in clear weather at set speeds and write them down. This paid off when thick fog set in off Black Point, Niantic, CT. late one afternoon. I ran a course I had written down and found my way back.
Google search shows "ded" rather than "dead" is most popular with aircraft pilots.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 09:16:26
@Kenny Can't be certain that ded reckoning is widely used at all, but perhaps it should be? As a recreational fisher, I make a point of using local landmarks, speed, and a clock as guides to find favorite fishing holes in the Bay and Sound both, as well as to relocate the harbor from which I left. I got into the habit after a close friend recalled a harrowing story of electronics going down and then having the fog roll in. I keep a notebook onboard with approximate times/speeds to spots I visit often. You just never know ...
Orleans, MA USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 08:52:31
Fascinating. Learned something new! Have seen only "Dead Reckoning" in written form. Poetic license or lack of research? ;-)
USA - Wed 04/10/2019 - 08:29:19
Aha! That makes much more sense. I noticed the title on the spine of a book and didn't think to look it up, just recalled it by ear. Made me curious what came before electronic kinds of navigation. Commercial, but also sport fishing, especially in the fifties. Thank you, Richard.
USA - Tue 04/09/2019 - 22:59:57
I believe the term was known as "ded "reckoning, or deduced reckoning.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 04/09/2019 - 19:54:07
Can anyone familiar with the subject say when dead reckoning was last widely, though perhaps not universally, used in the sport fishing business around Chatham? I remember hearing that Buddy Henderson relied on it quite successfully, even in the thickest fog. Is it still used today? Thanks.
USA - Tue 04/09/2019 - 11:25:50
From an interview with the late Captain Silas Harding of Chatham, when asked where he would go to find the bravest men for his Life-Saving crew, he replied:

" Not in the boxing ring, or on the docks, but to a public funeral in a small town. The men who had tears in their eyes would be the ones I would choose, for the man who has sympathy for his fellow man is the man with courage and bravery."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/03/2019 - 19:21:13
Reading a good book from Nathaniel Philbrick called MAYFLOWER. Full of facts and information I never knew. The Pilgrims brought an English Mastiff over with them for protection. We have a Mastiff and that would be an interesting undertaking to keep that 200+ beast onboard a ship.
Squanto died in Chatham assisting the Pilgrims on a trading mission looking for food. Some good evidence that he was poisoned by another Indian jealous of what Squanto was doing (Squanto made Machiavelli look like an amateur).
Some real interesting information about "King Phillips" war (son of Massasoit). I didn't realize the entire "frontier" was manipulated into warfare; with the exception of the Indians on the Cape (referred to as "praying Indians." The uprising came very close to pushing the English back into the sea.
Fascinating book and well researched.

USA - Tue 04/02/2019 - 20:25:19
I haven't heard from John H., but E-mailed him the facts. I urge you all to tune into the April 5th meeting, and listen with an open mind. Forget some of the dialog that tends to be too long winded and overly detailed, but factual, please let us all have a voice in Chatham on what we live with! Learn, fight, speak up and stop the BIG CHANGE. I have a tiny little 800 sq. Ft bungalow ....swamped by nobody I know....350.000 to 590.000.......4 available right now. I would love to return to 1956 and watch Nellie Rogers walk by every morning to HR for Mass and bring home the priests laundry.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 04/02/2019 - 20:16:17
John, please e-mail me directly with your personal e-mail address. I would like to send you the documented history of this land taking issue.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 04/01/2019 - 15:34:57
In many cases, I believe the homeowners think (mistakenly usually) that their property goes to pavement edge when it's often five or more feet from that point and in some cases, the private fences or other stuff may have been there prior to town taking possession of road and ROW but they aren't forced to remove it unless it's a problem. The only thing that I feel is allowed in that area is mailboxes and that's all that is in the five feet closest to pavement at my place.
J Hallgren (as User)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sun 03/31/2019 - 12:37:45
I am not so sure it is a minor matter. I for one will be watching the live broadcast. I am very interested in how much land actually belongs to you or the Town, measuring from the center line of the road. How do people ge away with "view/breeze blocking" fences that are erected on Town Property?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 03/31/2019 - 12:02:33
Emily, While I haven't read/heard the specific details AFAIK, I believe it's simply to correct some paperwork/procedure errors that were discovered in recent years. I thought it was either some legal paperwork that was thought to have been done/filed but wasn't or some notification that was similarly wrong. The town is just making official what almost everyone (except lawyers) thought was already official, ok?
J. Hallgren (as User)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 03/31/2019 - 03:22:11
What is this I hear about land takings on 7 Chatham roads? Meeting April , 5 pm at the annex. Stage Harbor, Champlain, Port Fortune, Battlefield, Stage Neck and Cedar St. Will someone explain why the Town wants/needs to do this?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/30/2019 - 18:51:34
Tony I strongly agree and I too am good with whatever shows up on here local issues or Chatham memories - Furthermore, I hope John considers another ChatM Room gathering later this year - I really enjoyed the two I attended at Jean Pratt's and Carl Olson's - it's really fun to associate the names on here with real people - I'd even pay for Alan Wirsul's bus ticket from New Jersey to Chatham just to get to meet him in person (that's bus ticket not first class air)
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/28/2019 - 19:50:32
John, you have been doing a great job running this room for a long time and I totally defer to your judgment. I just thought this might be a way to keep two distinct factions here Happy. Thanks!
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Tue 03/26/2019 - 05:41:46
Tony, my intention was that the Site Related be used minimally and primarily by me and users to discuss any technical issues or concerns related to this website or the Net in general but it's never amounted to as much as I thought it might. I want people to mix up topics here to maintain interest and not split up into groups because the number of posters here isn't now really enough to keep one forum active, let alone two parts of one. If we had dozens of posts daily, it might be practical but not now or ever in past.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 20:11:49
I know I have suggested this before. Why not turn the rarely used site related side of this chat room for current event discussions and leave the town common for folks to talk about the past. Problem solved
Tony Murphy <>
USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 17:37:05
John - This is the first I've heard of it. I'm curious about the clearing of Mr. Marsh's property (formerly Sibleys) that is being done by the construction crew in West Chatham. Anyone know if taxpayers are footing that bill?
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 12:33:53
Does anyone know who generated "The Dredge Report" which was emailed today to "undisclosed-recipients"? It includes a history of shoaling on Chatham's Eastern shores. It also includes comments on the Selectmen's Meeting of March 18th and the discussion on dredging . Since the source was not noted, and there is no byline to claim the comments on the meeting, I believe it will have very little impact. To gain traction, the author or authors have to make clear who they are and what they represent. It is fine to interpret history and recent events to favor your position, but it is not fine to fail to identify the source.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/25/2019 - 11:34:06
Richard; I remember that day like it was yesterday.The car was a 1939 Chevrolet owned by Allen Phillips,and it happened just as you described it, south of Old Harbor Station on a cold winter day. Adapt and overcome !!!BLF
Barry Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/24/2019 - 15:18:48
Back in 1955 or so, before the Cape Cod National Seashore took over, crude beach vehicles owned by Ross Gould, John Pratt, and maybe Barry Fulcher and others were kept on a dirt road off to the side of the way to Nauset Beach. Next to Mayo's Duck Farm. There were no plates or registrations. Most had missing parts. One car didn't even have a starter! It had to be pushed down a hill or dune to start it. That was fine until someone stalled it on the outer beach, coming from the low beach to the higher ground.. What to do? We jacked up the car and cut off a fender with an axe. Then, we spun the wheel and popped the clutch. Tide was coming in, so desperate measures had to be taken!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 03/23/2019 - 13:22:42
The only jalopy in my life was the station wagon my dad kept on Monomoy to drive out to the point and go surfcasting and picnicking. Our playgrounds in the Old Village were the porches of the empty winter houses - good settings to act out made up plays.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 03/23/2019 - 06:04:56
Uh, is it safe to return yet?

This is for those of you that remember quieter times in Chatham. Two days ago I had occasion to follow Ridgevale Road South to its far end at Sulphur Springs Creek (aka Buck's Creek).

About 62 years ago I, and several other kids my age, had the pleasure of roaming a large portion of West Chatham aboard a few old jalopies that, when not roaming the woods in back of Roy Meservey's and Clayton Buck's homes, resided in a small field just a few feet off route 28.

At the time there was a stone and earth dike across the creek with enough width to allow an automobile to get to the Harding's Beach Hills area. Two large culverts allowed tidal access under the structure. I do not recall seeing any homes in that area, so there was a lot of space to roam. Often we'd cross route 28 in the vicinity of what now is George Ryder Road South. Imagine trying to do that today in unregistered, uninspected and often unsafe junk cars. I liked it better then.

BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/22/2019 - 11:04:41
Folks: You may notice some differences in recent posts from what was there since last night. That is the result of some private conversations between myself and Alan and Ben H, who was now gracious enough to tell me via FB PM:
"John please just delete my posts relating to Alan- you were right .. Leave Alan's on there if you want but take mine down - they don't contribute anything worthwhile - Thanks
Please tell everyone I asked that you remove them as I realized they were not contributing to the friendly spirit of the ChatM room"
However, I chose instead to edit Ben's posts and mine to remove references to the most problematic parts and leave the portions that would have been, I think, OK for all of us. I MUCH appreciate Ben H working with me on this and by giving him some more background info on Alan, that may have helped resolve this.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 03/21/2019 - 14:17:27
Oh my, here we go again with all this bickering! Please stop, think and be more interested in the true purpose of this Chat-M-Room. Many of the issues facing the NEW Chatham have been created by our new destination status for summer fun. Let's focus more on a few traditional things that attract so many people to visit. Mainly the major loss of our fisheries and fishing families. We are re-building the viewing platform at the Fish Pier for a fleet that probably has lost access to their livelihood, the Atlantic Ocean.

May I remind everyone that after WWII, the well trained returning Vets pitched in to create all the services and small businesses and homes that made the charming well-knit community that visitors learned to love. Those men and their successors are the backbone of the REAL Chatham we enjoy today. Support for the VFW should be a higher priority for funding than anything else.

Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 22:14:57
All the ChatM regulars are "over it" - let's move on
Ben H
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 21:45:52
Alan: Yes, there have been a few times when your style of writing and content were a bit different than normal here and we've talked about that by phone before, and i think we've resolved most of that. Having said that, the way I prefer all users to deal with personal negative comments like you received is to contact ME directly and not respond HERE because then I may have two users who didn't follow rules.
And - it's "Chronicle" - (spelling that wrong adds to the impression that you're not acquainted with Chatham to some folks)

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 21:18:27
And the Nastiness keeps on coming-which has been typical of some of the contributors of this site, however I knew I would face this disingenuous non sense when I posted earlier.

I could surely put this in many other ways, but I will leave it at this.

If you can still read, you might wish to take a look at this weeks Chronical and some of its articles. For example:

Alan Pollock's "Desperate Mariners seek Answers"

Doreen Leggett's "Not just one Fish, Two Fish Anymore"

Andrew Beckley' Editorial "Utter Disconnect willfully so, between the problems we face and the ability we have to address them.

And as far as the Kool Aid comment and your review of myself on MY LIFE, I hope you can do a little better than this, perhaps first grade 101 might take you to a slightly higher level

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 20:35:57
John H you provided a great explanation as to the real meaning and character of this room. People like Carl Olson, Jane Patterson, Gary Nick, Tim P and other former contributors are applauding you. Let's be realistic about what's going on here - we have Alan Wirsul, a 68 year old from NJ with no real connection to Chatham other than he found this room. He is reasonable but John you as moderator and we as participants can only continue to politely listen to Alan - some like Judy P may even drink his Kool Ade.
Ben H
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 19:56:29
Noted, stand corrected on the chat room thing. As for the other issues, one can think of them as you wish-semantics

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 18:30:46
Alan: You used more than once the term 'blog' which is NOT what this site is. It's a 'chat room' and plays off the word chat as part of Chatham also. A blog is a series of articles or audio/video written/recorded by one person usually and other provide comments on that content. Ok, so it's not that critical but I never want this site to be called a blog because I'm not the author of most of the content.
Also, I consider all things that relate to how the Town/State operates to be political.

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 18:09:47
John, this is your site, but please permit me to comment as follows:

The remarks I made earlier are not politics, they are happenings to Chatham (History occurring right before the eyes of the people). These topics will have profound effects on this township. Chatham is frequently thought of as the preeminence of all of Cape Cod. Your Blog and it's participants could bring the best of Chatham and all of its skill and energy that will be needed to bring positive change. These events will happen to the town, whether some of bloggers choose to join or not.

John, you have made a plea for more people to come to the site. There are many who come to this site who are Chatham Regulars of the past and need and wish to have to look back into the past-Again I get it.

What I do not get is the attempts of social separation and smugness that occurs from many in the 50-60's era and the remark(s) as made below. I have viewed more than a few people who have left your site for these types of comments- The Bloggers leaving are not in the chosen few and these folks wished for only enormously good things to happen to Chatham.

I would hope that more folks like Judy P, the younger Felcher and Elaine would come to this site, as I know they have hopes and dreams for the future of the town and are not afraid to accept the bold Challenges ahead.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 16:46:12
Melissa is right because history was the primary topic of the site when it was run by the TeleCam guys but they didn't want any political stuff. I, however, broadened the scope to allow that to give others a chance to post and hopefully get more activity, which it has done. But remember that just because one post is possibly political or town government related, you can post a history one next. There's no fixed thread here and it can wander between topics.
I would love to get more people active here to offset those whom we have lost to illness or death so if you're reading but never posting, PLEASE do so now!

J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 09:46:30
If you read the mission statement of the Chat-M-Room, history is the first component! It has been my pleasure to read about times when I was either not around or too young to remember. It has also been my privilege to participate in discussions of current events. This venue allows those of us who are not on-site to connect on ALL levels.
If this Chat-M-Room does not meet the requirements of local politics, please feel free to start one with that specific focus. I will remain here. Thanks for listening.

USA - Wed 03/20/2019 - 09:33:12
Totally agree with you Alan. Too bad there's not more interest in these discussions. I don't agree however that some of these changes positively affect the Town. The proposed ADU bylaw is a developer's dream - and certainly not the fix folks think they're getting. In addition the proposed COA building doesn't seem to have a lot of support. I believe the Finance Committee isn't on board with the size of the proposed building either. The Sharks and seals are problems that won't be satisfactorily taken care of either prior to summer. The West Chatham roadway project with two rotaries within 900' of each other are still a bone of contention. We shall see how things progress.
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 21:09:37
Hey Alan I take exception to the tone of your remarks - let us have our fun and our memories without being criticized - we enjoy sharing those stories and once in a while we even have a quiz about Chatham lore - it's a healthy pursuit for many of us - not to detract from the importance of the community issues you mention, just defending and explaining our right to enjoy ourselves in here .... Barry Jim Hallowell was my uncle, would love to hear your story
Ben H
USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 20:42:33
So much going on in Chatham that could positively change the community and so little contribution that occur from this site with the exception of a few.
When you have:
Beach Safety: seems like there is more investment directed after a possible shark bite rather than before.

Seals and Sharks Seal population out of control and seems like the thought of nets around at least one of the beaches dropped and fish eaten out of control.

Accessory Dwelling Units: A piece of local legislation that certainly could be tightened up.

Highway construction starting in April May.

Sr. Citizen home a subject that certainly needs more review.

Monomoy Theatre: No shows for 2019?

Sewer cost probably now kicking in a big way.

Dredging: how much, when and where?

And what is the focus on this site? Again, old times, Coast Guard Anchor placement, flowered dress worn or the Kingston trio. How great life was back then, what about the future, the future of your children or your grand children?

And then there is the focus of Chatham's councel. Is there more than one in the community? Is one attorney representing the towns of Chatham, Blackstone, Mashpee and Foxborough or is Chatham having multiple representation?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 16:02:38
When we were teenagers, my friends and I volunteer ushered at the Monomoy Theater.I wore a long flowered dress that I loved and saw all the plays.
Would be nice if that chance were offered to the current generation.

Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 03/19/2019 - 11:45:43
Does anyone know when or how the large anchor got placed on the Chatham Coast Guard grounds? It sits on the site of the North Tower, which was removed in 1923. Someone with a fairly large boat and truck must have been involved in hoisting it aboard and then transporting it.
I still have several Kingston Trio records, but was not around Chatham in 1963.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 03/18/2019 - 18:57:41
Ben, was Jim Hallowell your father? If he was I have a funny story to tell you about his Lyman boat.
Barry Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 03/17/2019 - 19:30:04
Nick was a fun loving guy and his extended family remains a fixture here in Coronado - I'll be sure to pass on your memories to his sisters, Barbara and Jane, the family was brought up singing close harmony with their father Captain Reynolds and little Nickie learned to sing a third above the melody. The rest as they say is history - he returned home to Coronado in his later years and truly loved to sing and party at the drop of a hat. Fun times
Ben H
USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 20:46:06
Oh, you folks have me remembering those days of yore! Yes, the wonderful voice of Sarah Vaughn who had to be led on and off the stage at Storyville, the 'new' comedian Phyllis Diller and the fabulous Kingston Trio......I remember the dress I wore to Storyville to see/hear them and I still have their autographs 'To Laughing Face Nancy'. Priceless!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 13:37:41
The first date that I had with my wife we went to Storyville to see the Kingston Trio. I think it was 1963. When Patrice Munsel would come to the Cape she would park her motor home in the parking lot at the boatyard. I would come to work at 8:00 and she would be making breakfast and singing. I got to hear her for free. Ben, thanks for the reminders!
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 09:37:19
Barry, I think it is very positive that we can remember an event almost 60 years ago.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 03/14/2019 - 09:32:51
At the beginning of the evening at Storyville, things were much clearer and after we left there, we invited the Kingston Trio at Eric Barnes house, they said 'Sure'. Nick had his pick of the girls. I don't remember being there at 4:30 a.m., but I might have been. It was a memorable time in the late 50's!!
Barry Fulcher <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 03/13/2019 - 19:03:46
The beach party was in South Harwich and 2 of the Kington Trio did attend. Nick Reynolds brought his conga drum and Dave Guard brought a guitar and we somehow stayed up to 4:30 AM. Great memory.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 03/12/2019 - 10:01:42
John and others Be interesting to hear your memories of summer theater and entertainment not just Monomoy but others like Dennis Playhouse, Cape Cod Melody Tent, Storyville, Red Garter,and of course Bud Kastner's Christopher Ryder House.I can remember Jane Fonda as a 19 year old in her first role at Dennis, Sarah Vaughan with a waterglass full of vodka on stage singing like no other, the Kingston Trio fresh out of college performing at Storyville and allegedly attending a Chatham beach party with Duke Courtnell later (in the early morning),and then in the 1970s going for a sail with Spaulding Dunbar and Patrice Munsel before she performed in "Mame" later that evening at the Melody Tent. Just some memories of entertainment on the Cape.
Ben H
USA - Mon 03/11/2019 - 19:45:09
I am aware that there are a lot of difficult steps before the Monomoy Theater is back and in operation. The good news that the new owner is willing to work with is theater group is simply a positive first step. A tremendous amount of work is required to keep this project on track. The Monomoy Theater is a jewel for Chatham and I think the necessary effort is worth it.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/11/2019 - 12:03:06
Great news about Monomoy Theater's future- I'm sure John Whelan and others in this room were in part responsible for preserving such an important part of the community - a toast to you from afar!
Ben H
USA - Sun 03/10/2019 - 19:32:18
Like I told Judy before, this is a town that loves studies. Personally, I don't see a catastrophic failure of the dump to the extent that it needs complete reconfiguration. Certainly not a quarter million dollars spent on someone to tell us to turn the arrows in the other direction. As far as odor; it's a dump. Waste stinks. I will not vote to support this, and it's a shame that our elected leaders feel this is worth our time and money.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 03/09/2019 - 15:56:30
I totally agree with Judy on this one! If we can fund a fancy COA and dump, why can't we build affordable housing for our young people and essential workforce? Look at all the land available to build for the future of Chatham rather than for retirees?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 03/09/2019 - 13:23:51
I was glad to hear the Theater will be saved. The new owners sound as though they want to do the right thing by the Town and that's refreshing. Really delighted as well to hear the usual players aren't involved. I was disappointed to read our Selectman voted to place a warrant for an article at Town Meeting to authorize $250K for design and layout of a new "improved" dump. Instead of paying all these monies for studies and design, isn't this what the Principal Planner should be working on? Ms. Goldsmith and her minions really ought to find ways to make what we have work. No reason to disrupt the woodlands off Middle Road for a COA building that will cost millions. What's wrong with the old Superintendent's building on Old Harbor Road that has sat vacant for years? It's in the downtown area and accessible to everything. Folks wonder why young people can't afford to live here. More and more are expressing their disgust at a town that is out of control on a never- ending spending spree and one that only caters to the wants of a select group of people. I hope folks show up at Town Meeting to vote these ridiculous items down.
Judy P. <>
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/08/2019 - 07:55:18
The announcement at the Selectmen's Meeting today by the mystery buyer had a very positive tone. The buyers have experience in historic preservation and Mr. Greg Clark expressed a willingness to work with The Monomoy Theater group. Good news, so far.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/04/2019 - 23:57:26
Although I agree that there could be a better use of the Monomoy Theater property than more over-sized homes, I do not recall any of my family ever having anything to do with it, and seriously question the idea of not considering other avenues of possible uses.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 03/04/2019 - 15:08:00
John, I heartily agree with you and hope that the backbone of the town we all love, will once again put their efforts whole heartedly into saving another iconic Chatham treasure. We have the Orpheum, and the Village Market only because of the old- time grass roots advocates who fought their brains out! I am so disturbed by "new Chatham vacation homeowners" who do not choose to learn our history and become involved.
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Mon 03/04/2019 - 14:20:48
The last time I became agitated because of a integral part of Chatham bing lost was in 2009. Bromley Realty Trust, which owns the land under the CVS and the Chatham Village Market had signed a lease with CVS and appeared to be leaving the market with no home. As you all remember, the Town of Chatham and its people let Bromley know that their plan conflicted with the wishes of the people. And we have the wonderful shared property today and the entire town has benefitted. I would like to suggest the beginning of a campaign to let the proposed buyers of the Monomoy Theater of how strongly we feel about retaining the Monomoy Theater.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/01/2019 - 21:30:08
It was a great column. So many of our memories are just slowly dying.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 03/01/2019 - 13:25:05
If you get a chance read John Whelan's column in this week's Chronicle. It provides a great history of the Monomoy Theater and a real sense of what the Town of Chatham stands to lose if the theatre doesn't reopen.
Tony Murphy
W. Chatham , MA USA - Thu 02/28/2019 - 17:13:20
Yes Happy Birthday Gordon, and he stills plays golf.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/25/2019 - 13:30:50
Happy "Double Snowman" Birthday to one of Chatham's greats - Gordon Pratt
Ben H
USA - Sun 02/24/2019 - 19:16:45
Any news on the Monomoy Theater? I find the secrecy of the potential buyer as a very ominous sign. Sometimes, no news is good news, but not this time.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/21/2019 - 13:37:39
Just a reminder that on February 18th, it will be the anniversary of the Pendleton rescue. One thing we learned from the widow of the first man off the ship was that the cook had prepared hard boiled eggs for everyone. They were to be used as pocket/hand warmers ! Too bad that didn't make it in to the movie. We certainly were not aware of that at the time.

Every summer at Rock Harbor, we seem to meet some people who had relatives on the Pendleton. Last year, it was a grandson of Captain Fitzgerald of the Pendleton. As far as we know, he and Andy were not closely related.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 02/16/2019 - 16:31:28
John - thanks for your input! It appears in the past that exceptions have been made. I don't understand why this couldn't be a time for another exception- considering that some of our hard earned tax dollars have paid for renovations to the golf course and repairs of tennis courts and other questionable items. At least if not the full amount of the repair - a sum of money could have been given towards this repair.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/15/2019 - 09:50:12
I'm not on the CPC Committee, but I know that the VFW would have gotten the money if the repair had not extended to the entire building. Exterior restoration is allowed. I recognize it is a technicality and that there is still resentment over the money given to churches before the State AG ruled it no longer legal. Perhaps the article did not explain the problem adequately, but it is definitely not an attempt to slight the veterans at all.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/14/2019 - 23:23:50
Churches not Vets. What in the world is wrong with this picture?
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/14/2019 - 07:43:11
Every Veteran living in Chatham should protest the CPC decision to not fund the VFW furnace repairs! This just isn't right!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 02/14/2019 - 07:38:36
No comment on the monies expended for CPC funds in Chatham, but supposedly Chatham Bay scallops are being sold in Orleans at Nauset Fish & Lobster. At least, that is where they told me they were coming from. They also have had scallops from Nantucket and off the coast of either Eastham or Orleans, in Cape Cod Bay .No matter where they come from, they are totally yummy!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 20:48:42
I made an error - the monies were not for a roof - it was for exterior renovations on a few churches and the Masonic Lodge. No reason funding shouldn't be provided to the VFW. Just another slap in the face to our veterans in this town. Shame on these committee members.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 20:36:00
Interesting to read in today's Chronicle that the Community Preservation Committee turned down a request from the VFW for 205K to upgrade their heating system. Couldn't this have been provided under the guidelines of rehabilitation and restoration? Yet this is the same committee that approved a ROOF at St. Christopher's Church and their other "trendy" projects that the Summer Residents Committee push for? Seriously folks -- WTH is going on in this Town when you deny veterans a place to go? How many members of that committee served in the military? Is it because there aren't enough of the beautiful people that go there and that it's military related? This makes me sick. Oh, and now the push is on for a swimming pool to be added to the new COA being pushed for at Town Meeting that is being built in the boon docks. Give me a break. This town has lost its priorities. I will not be voting for the new COA, along with many other folks my age. No need for another palatial building to be added. We have enough. Fix what we have for the folks that are here now.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 17:42:33
I will never tell. Time for a spotting scope.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 17:11:31
Just where are Bay scallops being harvested in Chatham? Oyster River, Pleasant Bay ? Off Monomoy?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 02/13/2019 - 16:53:43
Well said, J.P. As usual.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/12/2019 - 19:15:22
If one if going to use a fake moniker and makes a comment - he/she should at least have the courtesy to respond to questions from folks who can at least sign their name with dignity.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Tue 02/12/2019 - 08:25:01
Yes Richard, I was wondering who is "they"? Also.
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/11/2019 - 20:16:13
One want's to know who is " they"?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 02/11/2019 - 17:47:17
Get ready for 1000 new moorings in Oyster Pond if they get their way. I for one, do not agree with it.
Stephen Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 02/11/2019 - 15:58:51
Richard, I thought I was the only one that ever "hit the wrong button"
Wayne <>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 19:46:26
Oops: Hit the wrong button. What I had meant to say was that yes, I had heard the term gam to mean a woman's leg. Later on, I found out that to have a gam meant something else. Either way, all good.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 17:17:38
In my "old days",
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 17:13:38
I always thought "gams" referred to women's legs in the old least in that context.
Kathleen Nowak <>
Sebastian, FL USA - Sun 02/10/2019 - 08:09:45
It is pretty sad that the Monomoy experience, like staying overnight at a rudimentary camp, walking the distance, or driving from Stage or Morris Island to the Point is no longer available to hardly anyone.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 02/08/2019 - 16:43:50
I think Bob Loring.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Fri 02/08/2019 - 09:31:15
In the 50s the Monomoy crew (Noble Cathcart, Sailor Allen, Tut Tuttle, Tom Pennypacker, John Manson, and so many others) were in one continuous gam session from the time they crossed with Gunny on the ferry to their camps until they returned a week or so later (Monomoy gam sessions were always fueled with a lot of alcohol)
Ben H
USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 20:16:39
Richard, That was Sleepy!
Nancy Ryder Petrus
USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 18:02:16
He was one of the eight dwarves
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 17:50:55
Is it fair to ask who Creepy was? Did he run a gas station?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 16:21:37
How about "Nice gams?"
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 15:59:33
The Atwood House Museum used to have "gam sessions" where the old timers would gather and tell tales. My father told the story of "When Creepy blew up the stove". Creepy got his nickname for creeping around and stealing firewood. Some Chathamite puth dynamite in his logs.......and well, you know!
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 02/07/2019 - 13:48:42
Melissa thank you I always thought GAM was Golf Association of Massachusetts
Ben H
USA - Wed 02/06/2019 - 21:41:25
Thought it was a typo. You made me look it up!
Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines the noun "gam" as "a visit or friendly conversation at sea or ashore especially between whalers." (It can also mean "a school of whales.") Learn something new every day! LOL

USA - Wed 02/06/2019 - 08:52:38
Richard slipped something in here that went unnoticed. How many folk here know what a "gam" is? (Everyone should - or they should turn in their Quahog rakes.

Well done Richard!! Need to keep the lexicon sharp.

USA - Tue 02/05/2019 - 18:59:48
The Chatham connection to the Perfect Storm movie, and the Eldia grounding, is pretty obvious.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/05/2019 - 11:23:40
This coming Sunday, February 10th, the Cape Cod National Seashore will show the movie "Perfect Storm" at the Salt Pond Visitor Center in Eastham. The theater has been redone. The sound and seating is first rate. Movie is free and starts at 1:30. It is sponsored by the Friends of The Cape Cod National Seashore. Last week they showed "Cast Away" with Tom Hanks.
The gam about the "Eldia" grounding scheduled for this coming Sunday at the Orleans Historical Society has been postponed.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 02/05/2019 - 10:07:44
Emily, in my indirect way, I am supportive of the Monomoy Theater NOT being allowed to be subdivided/exploited. It is that developers do what they do, and when they develop one property and make $$ on that deal, then they are on to the next possibility. Like, would you go to a dermatologist if you had a bone fracture? Specialists do what they are accustomed to and trained to do.
I used to think that properties in Eastham would never sell for over a million, but alas and alack, that is not the case any more. With the headquarters of GE being moved to Boston, there will be an endless supply of well heeled buyers looking at properties in Chatham, as well as Eastham and parts in between.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/31/2019 - 19:45:54
Richard.....PLEASE explain what your last post means. You are a Chatham native, from one of the most respected families, but your perspective is always from Eastham. What does that have to do with Chatham? If the Monomoy Theater disappears to developers need for 6-8 more McMansions, will you cry with the rest of us?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/31/2019 - 19:29:26
What are you thinking?
Some companies/developers in your town just can't wait to buy a property in the Town of Chatham and turn it in to a revenue stream. When will they arrive in Eastham?
Oh wait, maybe they are already here.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/31/2019 - 18:15:32
I think a lot of folks feel as you do John. I hope the developers aren't involved.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/30/2019 - 21:07:09
The breaking news is upsetting. The real estate firm representing the owners of the Monomoy Theater property say it is now under agreement. They went on to say that the prospective buyer is not connected to the Monomoy Theater. It will be a significant loss to Chatham if the theater is lost. We certainly do not need another real estate development.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/30/2019 - 18:01:29
I see on the Funeral Home website that Ben did not want to have a public service. So in keeping with his spirit of giving.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/30/2019 - 16:17:36
Our condolences to Bens' family.. Sweetheart of a guy...

Gordon and Jean

Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/26/2019 - 09:32:04
Ben was a kind and caring person. He loved his Masonic brothers and their mission but most of all he loved Chatham and its people. Don nominated him twice to be the parade Grand Marshall. He will be greatly missed.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Fri 01/25/2019 - 02:00:38
R.I.P. Ben. A wonderfull man that stood by his wife in times of trouble, and continued on with his family after that.Ben will be mised by many in this community. A truly sad day.
Daniel Meservey <>
West chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 23:51:39
There will never be another Ben Nickerson. Rest In Peace dear soul.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <>
Brewster, USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 17:37:34
A sad day for Chatham indeed. His sister Nancy Nickerson Tansey is a CHS 1957 classmate of mine.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 16:31:54
Just posted on Facebook by Chatham Fire Dept:
"CFD is sad to announce the passing of Ben T. Nickerson. He was a member of our department for many years and a truly kind gentleman. We will pass along more info when it is available."

This site will miss his contributions as well! Real nice gentleman that I'm glad to have known at least a bit!

J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 15:17:12
The same Ben Nickerson who is the first 2019 entry wishing everyone a Happy New Year?
(Scroll down)
Poignant and a reality check. All the best to his family.

USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 14:41:53
I was so sorry to hear that Ben Nickerson died this morning at Cape Cod Hospital. Ben was a wonderful man and he will be missed.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 13:38:21
Let's open some talk about saving the Monomoy Theater! Is everyone still frozen?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 01/24/2019 - 09:33:33
I would MUCH prefer anyone wanting to see older posts here to use the History pages that are available via the Site Map page or the white header box on the full Town Common page, which gets you to pages like this for Jan 2005 and which are all linked forwards and backwards to next and prior months at top and bottom respectively.
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Sun 01/20/2019 - 12:19:51
For amusement, here are some of the earliest posts at the CHAT-M-Room from Jan/Feb 2005: Be careful, though, that page will look just like this real Chat-M-Room, but don't try to post new things there! I'm not sure whether that would work.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 01/20/2019 - 12:10:54
Bonnie Snow and I walked out to the Eldia. Because of its size, it looked close, but it turned out to be a very tiring trek on the beach. She wouldn't let me give up.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sun 01/20/2019 - 04:23:01
The post card photo on the cover of the new CC5 Calendar doesn't show the anchor. A post card of the station with the DUKW and the watch tower in front has what looks like daffodils being raised where the anchor is now.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 01/18/2019 - 13:08:29
Dick, by Biblical accounts, the anchor on the old foundation was from Noah's Ark. As the provision was for all earthly creatures to have a mate; so too did the lighthouse.
Jared Fulcher
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 20:10:43
Anyone out there know when the anchor on the North side of the Coast Guard Station was placed there? Or where it came from?
That is the site of the former North Tower of the Twin Lights, which was dismantled piecemeal and moved to Eastham, apparently by oxen. The new foundation in Eastham was poured without any bolts to hold the tower in position. (The brick cylinder and the conical skeleton combo seems to work.)

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 17:50:30
Thank you John. clap clap!!
Sylvia + Barry <>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 12:02:48
If memory serves, the original site was being overwhelmed by SPAM (hacked?) and had to be shut down. Thanks to John H for his years of worthy efforts, making it possible for us to continue to CHAT! Applause, applause!
USA - Thu 01/17/2019 - 08:59:53
Richard G Ryder: While MY version of this site began on Jan 27th 2005, the first post from original TeleCam site that I had found was from Jan 1, 2001 and was made by Barry & Sylvia Fulcher!
J. Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 23:12:22
Barbara - Great comment about the Zoning Board! Same goes for the Planning Board.
WChatham, MA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 19:23:54
On Sunday, February 10th at 3 PM, the Orleans Historical Society (Bonnie Snow) will host a get together of people who might have visited the Eldia, or watched her go aground. Should be fun! It is at the Meetinghouse, on the way to Nauset Beach.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 11:47:36
Re CG Station Chatham: The volunteers of the CG36500 have turned over 28 $20.00 gift cards to the OIC, one for each member of the crew. That is the limit. Suggest that some of the larger companies like Chatham Boat, The Squire, Realtors, attorneys, etc do the same thing. There has to be a card for each person, with a $20.00 limit. Sort of like compound interest, the 8th wonder of the world.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 11:42:48
Ushered at the Monomoy Theater as a teen-anger and a love of the theater was born. Hoping there will be a way found to save it.
Would also like to remind the ChatRoom readers that the Coast Guard is affected by the government shutdown and the Chatham Coast Guard families might need some assistance.
May I presume to suggest that someone who has the time sit in on the Zoning Board meetings. I did and time after time they okayed plans that did not meet the zoning requirements. If you can't get to a meeting, read the agenda in the Chronicle. Hindsight is 20-20.

Barbara Stevenson <Bejsteve@gmail.mail>
San Diego , CA USA - Wed 01/16/2019 - 11:24:34
How shall we celebrate the birth of this Chat-M-Room, coming up on January 27th?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 01/15/2019 - 18:46:24
Here is a chance for the private citizens of the Town of Chatham to make up for the loss of three icons: The CG36500, The Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, and the Coast Guard Boathouse at Morris/Stage Island. I hadn't realized that the Monomoy Theater property actually went to Depot Road. Of course it does!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 01/14/2019 - 17:41:54
Well said John!
West Chatham , MA USA - Sun 01/13/2019 - 20:58:32
PLEASE - Let us all band together and Save the Monomoy Theater! This is a wonderful asset
to our town. It is a training ground for talented actors and techs - of various descriptions PLUS
giving us all the ability of seeing Live Theater! Nothing like it. We have been so blessed to
have this Jewel in our town all of these years. PLEASE . HELP - Restoration/Not building.

marie <>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Sun 01/13/2019 - 12:38:05
The 3.31 acre Monomoy Theater property would be and is a fabulous site for the Monomoy Theater. The theater is an important cultural asset for the Town of Chatham. It would be my hope that a fund raising effort will result in purchase of the property and that the theater would go on. It would seem that the opportunity for a college drama department should be very attractive. Losing the Christopher Ryder Opera House years ago was a serious blow to Chatham and losing the Monomoy Theater should be avoided.
john whelan <>
chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/12/2019 - 22:55:38
Bob - You're not the first person that has suggested that. It's probably going to go for a hefty bit of money. One of my friends said the Town owns too much land as it is. Middle Road is a ridiculous alternative to the other places that have been before the Board. Judging from the recent LTE's in the Chronicle, folks are against using Middle Road - as am I.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 01/10/2019 - 07:52:25
The 3.31 acre Monomoy Theater property would be an absolutely WONDERFUL location for a new Council On Aging facility! Walk into town, near the Fire Dept., close to the Community Center's facilities without the need to overbuild the Community Center, and low impaction the surrounding properties. Meets most of the needs voiced by the public, with almost none of the drawbacks. Now that would be a worthwhile civic investment. How could we get the powers-that-be interested in the idea???!
Bob Fishback <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/09/2019 - 21:30:53
How can we save the Monomoy Theater from the greedy developers?
Emily Cunningham <>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Wed 01/09/2019 - 13:20:13
I added a comment - and it did not appear. there was note saying it was not acceptable/inappropriate(?) . please explain - Marie
marie <>
CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 01/09/2019 - 11:57:53
Thank you, Lisa for your kind comments! I've also very much appreciated the comments about Carl and his passion for sharing his chowder near and far. It is so special that he is remembered in such a wonderful way and it means a lot to me. Thank you all!
carol olson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 01/05/2019 - 16:35:27
Carl was especially proud of his son in law, who, as best I can recall, is an Air fForce member who's job it is to rescue others.
Sad to know that Station Chatham has been down graded from a Surf Station. The boats they have and the conditions they deal with did not allow them enough chances to train new candidates to be Surfmen (or women).
Still think that a 36 foot motor lifeboat, made of whatever material, and still slow, would be useful for most rescues out of Chatham Fish Pier. Stage Harbor based boats, are a different story. The 42 footer there has been proven to be the right boat for that part of the Station Chatham AOR. Area Of Responsibility.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 01/03/2019 - 17:59:19
Seems like almost yesterday when Carl sent 20 servings of Chowdah at his own expense to the wounded warrior unit here in San Diego - our Old Goats and Kids Who Care had the privilege of delivering at Christmas time - made such a difference in those young amputees lives to have authentic Chatham chowdah delivered from the Chowdahman - his story became known out here in San Diego - Now Carl is gone but we still stay in touch with those same amputees as they transition to their new lives and they all remember the Chowdah from the Chowdahman - Carl sure reached many people and I think he loved knowing he was truly making a difference in their lives
Ben H
USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 21:25:16
Anna.. Carl would make his yearly visit to our area here on Glover Square for the 4th of July with his car radio at maximum volume playing marching music, plus he would deliver his famous chowder to my wife.. Great guy..
Gordon B Pratt <>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 10:37:29
Remembering Carl who, because of this very Chat-M-Room, made a point to meet in 2016 and personally handed me a serving of his famous chow-dah. A gracious gesture not to be forgotten.
USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 10:07:50
Lisa: Yes, Carl even made it over here one time for a chowder delivery. Twenty eight years ago, and recently divorced in CT, I met a wonderful woman who casually mentioned she had a summer house on the beach in Eastham. We have been here for 25 years, year round.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 01/02/2019 - 10:05:25
Anna. Every time I eat chowder I think of Carl who so generously drove portions of chowder to all his friends and even some acquaintances. I was lucky to be one of them. And Carol who helped him keep up the custom when his COPD made it difficult for him is also a Chatham treasure.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 11:55:31
Richard: Bonnie, Judy, Nancy and I still keep in touch. I have even forgiven Bonnie for using her considerable energy and talent to keep Orleans History alive rather than focusing on Chatham. And you; how did you end up in Eastham?
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 11:40:11
Sylvia + Barry,

Regarding the bike path etiquette, I believe your approach is just fine. Here is what the Brewster police posted to their facebook page this summer which seems consistent with what you do.

"For Cyclists: As you approach the road crossings on the bike path you will notice stop signs...those are for you. Cyclists are required to stop. There is no legal requirement that you dismount your bike, however, if you opt to stay on your bike you are treated just like a motorist attempting to cross from a side street. If the approaching vehicles decide to stop and let you cross, that is a courtesy, and it is very important to note, that just because traffic coming from one direction has stopped, does not mean traffic coming from the other direction is going to. Again, imagine yourself driving a car, crossing a busy intersection and you have the stop sign, while crossing traffic does not. Now if you decide to dismount your bike and walk it are afforded all the rights of a pedestrian.

For Motorists: Many of our bike path crossings have a new flashing light warning system (see attached photo). If these are flashing, it means someone may be approaching a crossing. This could be a pedestrian, a cyclist, or maybe even Bambi looking for his family. If you see the lights activated, it makes sense to slow down as you approach the crossing. If you see a pedestrian entering the crosswalk, including someone who is walking their bike, you are required to yield the right of way. If you see a cyclists and you wish to stop for them...that is mighty kind of you. Please, however, do not lock up your brakes to extend that courtesy...unless of course you are on a collision course with someone. Sudden braking could result in you becoming a lot more familiar with the person traveling behind you than you would probably like."

Happy New Year!

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 11:32:48
Wishing all the chat roomers a Happy New Year.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 10:35:59
Happy 2019 to all of my friends, relatives, lurkers and most everyone else that follow this room.
BobR <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 09:17:13
Happy New Year 2019!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 01/01/2019 - 06:10:22
Better than a dull line

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