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Just a colorful divider

Mary Baker and Gladys Nickerson worked there when I was there, along with Betty Bearse, a presser. And maybe Anne Doane one summer.. The older women took care of drying and folding and wrapping the laundry, that I had washed, for various customers.
In the off-season, Castell taught me how to thread steel pipe when we overhauled one of his boilers. Mind you I was not even 16 yet!! He also taught me some ditties that he had learned in the Army. Ruby would deny any knowledge of what he was telling me.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/10/2017 - 19:52:19
There are a lot of Chatham people who worked at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop and Laundry. Myself included! I rode my bike to work there as a 14 year old, and worked for Castell Kelly and Ruby (Bloomer) Kelly for two summers. They treated me well, and left me with huge responsibility for a young kid. I ran large washing machines, an extractor, and doled out bluing to loads that needed it, washed Stanley Bishops pants BEFORE they were dry cleaned. I would go across the street and buy Phillips Stand corn and eat it for lunch without cooking. Not much difference.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 12/10/2017 - 17:54:40
Carol - was this the laundromat building across from Philips Farm Market? I remember it there.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 12/10/2017 - 14:09:57
For a very short while they were located in the old Jordan Village building on Rte 28. They sure did make great pizza......
Carol Kelley
West Chatham\, MA USA - Sat 12/09/2017 - 17:21:07
Richard, you probably don't remember the pizza place as it was there for a short time late 60's early 70's and I believe you were not around much back then. Something about obligations in other parts of the world. I remember it being there after I got back from Vietnam in 1970. I believe it was also at one or two locations in Chatham. Anybody remember where?
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 12/09/2017 - 12:38:03
Esta Marias had the best hot roast beef grinders. Really great pizza too! Early to mid 70's.
Bill
MO USA - Fri 12/08/2017 - 10:27:20
NOW, this site is working !!!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 12/06/2017 - 17:58:15
It was a little red building at the corner of Route 28 and Uncle Venie's Road. It was set on fire by someone from a competing pizza parlor in Harwich. The arson was caught and convicted.
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/06/2017 - 14:22:01
I remember when it was there. Wasn't it a little red building?
Judy
W.Chatham, MA USA - Wed 12/06/2017 - 10:44:37
Barry: I have memories of the Red River Ice Plant going back to the mid fifties, blowing smoke rings and all but I have no pizza memories of the place you mention.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 12/05/2017 - 19:23:38
Richard do you remember where Esta Marias Pizza place was beside the Red River Ice Plant, when they tore the restaurant down the gas company was building a new injection site right on the corner and they inject Butane to vaporize the LNG gas.
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 12/05/2017 - 18:46:38
Wayne is correct.
When temps get low here in Eastham, the gas co. sets up a" gas plant", which takes LNG on a Thermos like tractor trailer and converts it to gas and then injects it in to the system, which ends here in Eastham.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 12/05/2017 - 17:47:07
Judy,when National Grid bought the Cape Cod Gas Co. they were so intense at expanding that they did not look into things like infrastructure and they found that the piping all over the Cape is a mess and unsafe. They won't even allow any new hook ups of any kind. If you have gas in your house you want them to get this done as soon as possible. There could be great problems!!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 19:56:43
When I was living on Mass Ave in Cambridge in the '70s, they seemed to dig up the road every spring -- starting at 7am in the morning: Too early for a college student! I never could figure out why they needed to do it every year.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 19:41:03
When I was living near NYC (Queens) in the late 60's, the motto was "Dig We Must". Not sure this has any relevance to Route 28 in Chatham now. If there is a backhoe, it has to be employed!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 17:39:22
Thanks Crayton - but couldn't it have waited???
Judy
W.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 13:39:12
Judy, Putting in new gas mains.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 13:24:53
Any thoughts on why the West Chatham Roadway is being dug up now and then again in a few months for the "roundabouts". . .seems like an awful waste of money
Judy
W.Chatham, MA USA - Mon 12/04/2017 - 13:10:46
Made a mistake on the spelling of Don Coryell's name, sorry.
Mind you, its only a suggestion, if you have a few min. of spare time.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/03/2017 - 22:54:19
Seems like this room is a little dead at the moment.

So for all you Chatham Football fans out there, you wish to see some of the
Real NFL, try googling- "Fred Dryers Tribute to Don Coryal" I think that is the spelling of his last name. I think there is something there for everyone, especially if you need a laugh and you do not have to be a Chargers fan to enjoy.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 12/03/2017 - 22:47:08
Ben, If only.......
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 22:04:18
Hey Nancy if I recall correctly you now have to bring him one littleneck on the half shell just to get even - Good luck to both of you
Ben H
USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 21:04:03
I agree Nancy.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 14:19:05
I think Emily could use a group hug.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 13:44:09
All the best, Carl.
Melissa
USA - Thu 11/30/2017 - 09:09:26
Saw Carl today. He is doing well. Just been out for a ride with someone whose name I forgot. He is up and about and engaged and grouchy about the physical therapy.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 20:28:12
Thanks Richard - I was up there during the hurricane to do some fly-fishing for stripers (stupid me). I was able to spend some good time with her and she was looking forward to the reunion!! Sounds like ya'll had a great time.
JimP
USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 19:45:15
Jim:
Actually, Cynthia is across the street from where Carl is currently berthed at Liberty Commons. The good news: the two of them were together for our reunion in October.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 19:40:53
Todd, shoot me your e-mail addy back-channel: patterson.jim@icloud.com

Anna, Cynthia is still there - maybe they can get together to say "hey".

JimP
USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 18:51:59
Hi Carl, You came to see me when I was at LC and I am feeling a bit guilty about not seeing you, but know you understand how the walking is difficult. Please know I am thinking of you, miss your dry comments on the Chatroom and wish you all the best health wise. You are quite a guy and one who I am privileged to know.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 12:22:41
Hello Carl:
Not sure what has happened or is happening, whatever the case, I hope you are doing fine and all is OK and wishing you all the best

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/29/2017 - 10:18:36
For those who don't know, my brother, Carl Olson, is currently a patient at Liberty Commons. He has had a lot of visitors which has been good, so feel free to call him or stop by if you haven't already. Thanks. Anna
Anna Olson Woodland <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Tue 11/28/2017 - 19:10:00
As a 20 year Navy veteran, (1959-1979) with a tour in Vietnam on land and one offshore, I am available.
Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/28/2017 - 13:35:10
Good morning all,

My daughter is in search of a veteran to interview for her high school history class at Nauset. The only caveat is the veteran has not been interviewed previously for this class. Anyone out there interested?? My daughter would greatly appreciate the help and looks forward to learning more and more about our past.

Thank you in advance

George Hamilton <capecodemployment@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/28/2017 - 10:55:36
Jim P. Squanto was buried by the English, therefore would not be at the location you referred to. This was the seat of the Monomoyick community and the burial(s) had significant accoutrements and plant fiber garments placed in it that suggest this was holy ground for their Sagamore, the "Most Wise One". If Squanto had family still at Patuxet in 1619 they would never have allowed him to give the store away as he did. Squanto's opportunism brought him to his own demise. He led Bradford right into the inner sanctum of Monomoyick country and though they "feasted on venison and good victuals" he could never be trusted again. He was ostracized. After his return in 1619 he would have been given opportunities by the People to come back into his native culture and community, but he chose to put his own language down and take up the English way. There is no mystery about his death for he was dispatched at Monomoit for his transgressions against the safety and lives of his own countrymen. He was likely buried at Great Point. The first encounter was more realistically at Boat Meadow and not First Encounter Beach and the skirmish from the native side was that of harassing fire to intimidate Myles Standish. This is why there were no deaths. The warriors brought powerful medicine with their arrows and the type of tips they were adorned with. However, the English gathered them up as treasures and souvenirs not having the depth of character nor care to understand the greater meaning behind the arrows and their tactic. Todd K.
Todd Kelley
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/27/2017 - 19:49:39
Yes, and one time he and Mom delivered a bunch to Ithaca, NY where I was living at the time.

He went to Eastham for just three things: if a dragger went ashore, or to buy turnips, or to hunt rabbits in the fall.

Eastham turnips are actually called the Macomber variety, and were grown in Westport, MA as well as Eastham.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/26/2017 - 17:51:36
Our father would always go to Eastham prior to Thanksgiving with a burlap bag, fill it with turnips and distribute them to us. A great memory.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 11/26/2017 - 13:13:18
Richard, two things:

1) My Mom used to send me an "Eastham Turnip" wherever I happened to be on Thanksgiving. I turned some buddies on to them one Thanksgiving down at Fort Bragg - they had never heard of them and loved them. My sister remarked the other day that she failed to get one this year for the first time in years. Now that my Mom's gone, I didn't get one this year. Will have to make arrangements for next year.

I guess it is a locals thing?

2) I read a book years ago that speculated - with some pretty good evidence - that Squanto was buried exactly where you stated. I inferred it was a bluff overlooking Stage Harbor but you may be right. IIRC, we had this discussion a few years ago in here and Jared came in and added some good information. Maybe he or Todd Kelley can chime in and give us their thoughts?

The history of the area is amazing. When I was young and out hunting I'd come across old graveyards that folks have forgotten about. You could develop quite a hobby charting all that stuff out and the historical significance.

JimP
USA - Sun 11/26/2017 - 08:26:01
Feeling very fortunate that some of our 14 combined family members had a chance to visit First Encounter Beach the other day so grandkids could learn of the colonists encounter with the native folks. The natives were very upset that the Englishmen had stolen their corn down at Corn Hill in Truro. So, naturally, there was an "Encounter".

Later on, things got better between the two factions.

Eastham is a unique venue for the grandkids, who can (but don't) eat Eastham turnips and can visit the First Encounter site, and on a clear day, can see the hills of Manomet near Plymouth. A four hour shallop cruise for sure.

Now, Chatroom folks, can you support my understanding that Squanto is actually buried on a slight hill over looking Ryder's Cove? Near Dave Archibald's place?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/25/2017 - 17:35:35
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 11/23/2017 - 04:59:48
May everyone, the best Thanksgiving you ever will have. To those leaving on a jet plane to where ever=safe flight. Those captains driving, be careful.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 11/22/2017 - 07:50:16
Happy Thanksgiving and may everyone have "A Turkey in their Palm Tree" - John Whelan will explain
Ben H
USA - Tue 11/21/2017 - 19:57:26
I would like to hear from anyone who ate, or had to eat, fried sea duck (coot) breasts from birds shot at the annual "Coot Shoot" down at the Chatham Bar in the early 50's .This would be held Thanksgiving Morning. Served medium rare from a hot frying pan, with ketchup and an awareness that there was lead shot in them, so don't bite down too hard.
Turkey was much better.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/21/2017 - 18:07:05
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
john whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
chatham, MA USA - Tue 11/21/2017 - 17:45:30
The first time I came back to Saigon from Rach Gia, Kien Giang province, I was astounded when entering the Officers Club at Ton Son Nhut. They had printed menus, waitresses, and entertainment which I didn't stay for.
Since then, I have learned that the Air force first builds the Officers Club, and only then do they build the runways.
Of course there are a lot of AF officers, as they have to be to be a pilot.

Alan, I wish to hear more about your career, sometime maybe in a declassified talk at the Eldredge Library?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 17:33:50
While some were concerned with the quality of AF food and extracting all that valuable info from NVA Medics about chickens, can I explain that others in the command of AF SAC were concerned about the intrusion of Russian activities to Hanoi. Yes, those Russian SAM's for example. The Russian 75M's usually took about 10-14 missiles to take down an aircraft. Later (1971 time frame) the Russian SAM 125's needed only 3-4 to take one down. We lost more than a few B-52 crews.

The greater concerned lied with Russian Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopastinosti (KGB) and the GRU operating out of Hanoi. The latter was sucking up all our information/technology within the cockpits and our designs.

By 1967 The Chinese entered into the game with their own secret agents (many went undetected by the CIA for awhile. Their own game plan, about 130,000 of them, using numerical Superiority for their tech inferiority, to get thier own info grab.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 11:27:58
"You're killin' me Smalls...".

The Air Force -- a quaint alternative to military service. However, I DO like their chow-halls (or - fine dining establishments as the Air Force calls them).

Thanks Bill.

JimP
USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 10:10:25
A Green Beret admits the USAF is the best. Thanks JimP. Those of us in the USAF always knew. Now back to our hot food and warm bed.
Bll P <southchatham@hotmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 09:36:59
True Richard - in my early days as a Team guy, we were taught the coconut trick when in areas available and lift to a trauma center wasn't quick. Although it is initially sterile, the infusion method leaves a lot to desire, especially - as you said - if you have to do a cut down to get to a vein. Glad we never had to deal with it.

You would be amazed at the advances in trauma care since the war(s) inception. There's a chitosan-based "patch" that you can slap on a compromised artery that literally patches it and stops the bleeding. Live tissue training with this stuff was amazing; what would have been a one-minute bleed-out was prevented if you can access the blow-out.
Bandages infused with quick-clot are common now and the technique is to get a tourniquet on as quickly as possible, pack the wound with this material and it works wonders. So much so that is is no longer common that team guys carry their own ringers and infusion kits. It is no longer automatic for the fist line medic to start a line.
So long as you have a SOF medic available who can stop the bleeding and maybe get a chest tube in, the chances of surviving are huge.

JimP
USA - Sat 11/18/2017 - 09:30:11
Jim:
All I know is that the VC medic prisoners I got to interview were TOTALLY scared of the glint of the B-52 bombers that would be overhead. They couldn't hear the planes, they were so high up. But, they knew what was going to happen. I can still feel the rumble of the bombs dropped over the U-Minh forest, which was just south of where I was. The VC medics , through our interpreters, told us about using cocoanut milk as IV fluids. Cut to the quick, insert an IV set.
They also used chicken blood drawn from a live chicken wing and injected with a syringe as a vitamin booster.
Yes, we got to know the Vietnamese much better than most who served in VN.
Later on, I talked with doctors from other countries who told me that using cocoanut milk as a blood volume expander was useful.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 19:52:51
so I guess my putting a JDAM on the seals out on monomoy wasn't a hit...?? How about a few gun-runs from an A-10?

Few orbits from an AC 130...??

something? anything?

JimP
USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 19:01:56
Towards the end of the 4th of July Veteran's Field fireworks, I remember the traffic heading into town was jammed up on Rt 28 in West Chatham at least as far west as Stop & Shop at the time the fireworks were beginning on Veteran's Field. It was kind of crazy.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 18:17:36
Forgot to mention that us neighborhood boys would go to Veterans Field after the fireworks the next morning, early, to see how many coins we could get that had drifted out of men's trousers as they lay supine, taking in the fireworks. Cape Codders know opportunities when they see them.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 17:25:40
Since several recent commenters have mentioned the historical fireworks at Veterans Field I thought I'd mention that they've been reinstituted in recent years by First Night Chatham. There's been a great fireworks display at Veterans Field at 6:30 pm on New Years eve for the last several years. The field is ringed with people, the sound system is turned on to provide music, and everyone witnesses the fireworks up close and personal. For those in town, definitely worth checking out.
Steve West <steve.e.west@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 09:05:43
Re ball field fireworks: I recall that once an ember landed on the wooden roof of the old Railroad Depot and a few of the wooden shingles caught on fire. Fortunately it was quickly extinguished by our alert fire department. The crowds were massive. It took maybe close to an hour for all the traffic to dissipate. We lived within walking distance so never got stuck in it.
Allen R Boyce
West Hartford, CT USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 07:12:55
When my dad was fire chief, the fireworks salesman would come to the house for dad to select the pieces for the July 4th display. Then we would view them from a friend's fishing boat.I assumed the fireworks were moved to Veteran's field for more space, crowd control and safety and then we're discontinued because of safety and cost.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 11/17/2017 - 02:11:56
Richard, I remember the ball field fireworks. They were great!! I never implied they were canked due to lack of Patriotism. There are still some Patriots left up there, fewer...but they are there.

As to when Texas runs out of water (a possibility) I'll declare myself an "undocumented citizen" and squat on your back yard and avail myself of the wondrous benefits bestowed upon illeg....er, "ubdocumenteds" that Mass provides. After all, it's only "fair". Maybe parlay my native-american heritage into a one-class 350K gig at Harvard all-the-while railing how the system is "rigged."

All in good jest as I sincerely appreciate your service. Only .47 of 1% today serve. That's an appalling number. Good on ya for you doing your duty.

JimP
USA - Thu 11/16/2017 - 20:02:37
Jim:
Perhaps before you were born, the fireworks were held at the Chatham "Lights', (because there were originally two there). The Chatham fishing fleet had races down to the Chatham bar, then came back and anchored in front of the Station. There were what were called "set pieces" on the sand, and bigger aerial displays later on. Then, the fireworks were moved to the ball field, but the errant sparks tended to set fires over on Old Academy Road, so the fireworks kinda were not pursued further. Absolutely nothing to do with a perceived lack of patriotism.
The absolute worst fireworks display I ever saw was at Guantanamo Bay, where I spent a year at the base. The fireworks were on a barge in the bay, but so far away it was hard to hear them.

Texans can do whatever. But, when they run out of potable water, they will be heading back to New England.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 11/16/2017 - 19:29:31
Richard, the very thought of me prowling around the shores of Oyster pond and Mill creek with my trusty AR has kept the clam flats safe for the last 40-odd years. You guys ain't speaking Russian or Red-Chinese now, are you?

Keep the faith - we also used to have wonderful fireworks in town. Sad how the cradle of liberty has defaulted to such a nanny-State. Guess that's why I reside in Texas now. It was fun while it lasted....

However, I DO miss the clam flats; the fishing; the shore; duck hunting; pheasants at Marconi; boating; and a whole HECK of a lot of things only Cape Cod can provide. You all still have a wonderful place - I'll get back up there at some point.....(with my 20mm Vulcan) :)

JimP
USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 20:22:59
Jim P:
Are you under attack now, or are you feeling so:? I can't imagine anyone would support your firing any sort of weapon over Oyster Pond, no matter the firepower.
I have some photos included in a Chatham photo album taken in 1918 or so, showing a certain type of tank. I hope you could ID the tank nomenclature. Perhaps the photos were taken in France?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 19:36:06
Richard, if the government has a 20 mm Vulcan, I want one. I'll mount it on a truck chassis and fire it on the 4th of July over Oyster pond.

My AR's only allow me to fight my way to my tank. The tank keeps me safe until I can call in close air support. You guys think you have an issue with sky-divers yelling at 8K feet...?? Wait till you get knocked over by a short 2,000 pound JDAM; it'll make a believer out of you.

Might work on the seals out on Monomoy as well....

Jus' sayin'.....

JimP
USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 18:42:07
Only the men and women of our Armed Forces need to be proficient in the use of, or in custody of, of an AK-47, an M-15, a later version of the M 15, or a "grease gun" that uses, I think, pistol ammunition and is so crude but does work under adverse conditions.
Wonder if there are any of these rapid fire weapons in Chatham?.
I have fired several of these weapons, and they DO NOT belong in the hands of just anyone who wants to buy one.
The "militia" had single shot weapons .I am OK with those.
Back in my teen years, rabbits trembled when I was around with a 12 guage shotgun and a beagle.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 17:51:51
Jim,

Went to church in Montana two years ago and the gentleman to my left had a magnum pistol I thought would drop in my lap. Everyone seems to be easy going about guns - even in church. Wonder if anyone will be carrying at the First Congregational Church this Sunday! I believe Montana is an open carry state but you need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Wed 11/15/2017 - 08:30:35
Carl,

I'm in San Antonio now. The Church was 20 minutes away from work. had a hard time getting accountability of all our people that Sunday. I was amazed that NO ONE in that congregation was carrying. "It's Texas...everyone carries a gun."

Was talking to an FBI cat this morning on an unrelated issue and he was out wrapping up yet another search trying up all the loose-ends. Crazy times, these.

JimP
USA - Tue 11/14/2017 - 18:19:59
His wife of 43 years sometimes gives him a hard time about his collection.

"She says, 'What're you going to do with another gun?' I say, 'What're you going to do with another pair of shoes?'"
One day, he'd like to acquire a gun from his favorite actor, Chuck Connors of "The Rifleman" fame, but it'll be expensive.
"I'll have to wait for the wife to get another Coach or Dooney & Bourke purse," he said, a mischievous smile piercing his woolly beard.

From an article on guns on CNN about guns in southwest Texas.

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 11/14/2017 - 08:08:37
Bruce, I remember the '72 flood as if it was yesterday! I was rescued off my fraternity house's roof when the water rose to 5 feet in the house! That was my Junior year of College and the whole summer was put in turmoil! I think it rained in Pa. for 32 straight days. . .I have the deepest empathy for anyone who lives through a flood like that!
Mike Crosman <crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 11/13/2017 - 11:51:46
To Richard Ryder,
I remember the flood of '72. I was working my way through college at a salvage outfit called Railroad Salvage. They bought up damaged goods, paint in dented cans, and such, and sold it at a discount. Spent a weekend in Elmira, NY at a Sears store cleaning the mud and muck out of Kenmore washers and dryers. Earned time and a half all weekend, about $2.75 an hour and free lunch.

Bruce Rogowski <Brogow6067@aol.com>
East Harwich, MA USA - Sun 11/12/2017 - 20:55:02
Stopped in at Benny's in Dennis today on the way back from Hyannis. Spoke to Colin Stevenson, Class of 1956, and niece Karen Ryder. None of us bought anything, as the place is pretty well cleaned out.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 11/12/2017 - 17:32:31
Ben: Thanks for asking.
Our reunion at the 400 East was the "finest kind". We had ten of the original class of 22 there, plus wives and others.. The restaurant was very kindly to us, with the one waitress taking orders, delivering them to the right people, taking separate checks, etc.. All in all it was a nice affair. I do plan to send lists of contact info to classmates who I have addresses for.
Totally recommend the 400 East as a place where Chatham High School classes could assemble and be treated well. We had a room to ourselves, but with a limitation of 25 before we'd have to go to a buffet rather than ordering from the menu .Class size does matter. ! Not a problem for us.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/11/2017 - 17:32:35
Does it ever occur to anyone else that this country is all about entertaining ourselves? Like the obsession with football and other sports, video games, TV shows, and streaming movies? While so many of the world's inhabitants barely have enough food to live on? Or potable water? Or any semblance of medical care? Or anything for shelter but a tent in a refugee center?
I don't see anything in the near future that will change this scenario .

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 11/11/2017 - 16:45:36
One purpose of the military is to protect the American way of life which includes the freedom to peacefully protest. Colin Kapernick chose to kneel during the anthem to draw attention to his cause. Others have kneeled for their own reasons. Thank God (and our military) we still live in a country where they can do that. Defending their right to kneel doesn't mean we agree with or support their message or the venue they chose, nor is that defense contingent on the peaceful protester first passing an accuracy test.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Sat 11/11/2017 - 12:36:39
No one can say it any better than you have, Jim.....
The Kelley family
West Chatham\, MA USA - Fri 11/10/2017 - 08:20:21
Not to make this political, but the whole charade is premised upon emotionally wrong arguments. Read the DOJ report (from the Holder Justice Department) on the shooting of Michael Brown; read the police and judicial reports on Freddie Gray; the "Loosie seller"; etc. Their arguments about "police brutality" are lies.

You may have the right to protest, but please ensure you are accurate in what you protest. Most recent study out of Harvard disproves their emotionally-laden argument. Young black men are LESS likely than other ethnicities to get shot during altercations with Police (i.e. when they disregard the instructions of those lawfully charged with maintaining order).

The flag is many things - having defended it for 36 years and now serving in another capacity, I fought for the right for you to do what you want with it. That's our freedom. But, you OWE the duty of not being an idiot when you protest the Country or Flag. Please remember this on Veteran's Day.....don't do anything stupid like Kneel. Kneel in your own time. Extend a little courtesy - at least for one day - to those who gave you the right to kneel and do stupid things you think are in vogue.

JimP
USA - Fri 11/10/2017 - 07:13:51
Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen
The posted poem never mentioned anything about kneeling. It's ironic that the very flag that provides the freedom for those go down on one knee desecrating the flag, allows for this kind of activism. If Police Brutality is the issue, there must be another way than attacking the men and woman who have given all their tomorrows for our today's. And where the NFL is concerned, even the Hall of fame's Jim Brown has questioned this kind of approach. How does it feel to enjoy Freedom?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 11/09/2017 - 22:50:51
Hey Richard and Carl, how was your reunion? Any stories you can repeat or share - remember when we used to have photos of parades and reunions on here - be fun to see - I too liked your kneel comment but I have developed the "reverse kneel" when I read my putts on the golf course - it's hard to do but when people ask I am able to say I am exercizing my right to protest against the kneelers by being a reverse kneeler - got to be agile to do it - just sayin
ben h
USA - Thu 11/09/2017 - 21:40:01
Good comment on the flag and kneeling, Richard.
Lisa Edge
USA - Thu 11/09/2017 - 10:17:31
Yes, Alan, what you know or where you have walked can't be shared with anyone, lest you'd have to terminate them. I get it.

Meanwhile, where are there any Chatham Bay scallops to be found? I see that the fish market in Orleans was selling bay scallops that they purported to be from Eastham and Wellfleet,at $39.00 + a pound, but in fact, the scallops themselves are being harvested in the Westport, MA river, but being opened in an approved facility locally.
So, maybe that is where the disinformation is coming from.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 11/08/2017 - 17:31:21
Mr. Ryder:

I'll only say this- you have no idea where I have walked.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 11/07/2017 - 18:34:09
Just another canned talk, from someone who didn't do the walk .
With NOT ONE DAY of reserve time, I am a 20 year veteran of the US Navy. Been there, suffered loss of shipmates, and done that. The flag is a symbol. I fly it here in Eastham on the bluff a lot. I am not affronted when others decide to kneel. They do have a message to deliver, and they have chosen their way. As previous posters have.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 11/07/2017 - 18:03:43
Alan, sometimes your thoughts are ?. But, this one is right on. We need the respect back. And we need it soon.
Daniel Meservey <Danmeservey@aol.com>
West chatham, MA USA - Mon 11/06/2017 - 22:21:37
hat off, but when he saw others with their's on, he turned around and slowly walked away. Hey, I'm still the same old Flaggg. A few stars have been been added since those parades, a lot of blood has been shed.
Is it a sin to be patriotic any more? Have you forgotten who I am, what I stand for and where I have been? Anzio Guadalcanal, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan. Take a good look one of these days at the memorial honor roll. All of the names of all those, that never came back, they gave their lives for this great nation to be free. When you salute me, you salute each and every one of them. Well, it won't be long now and I'll be coming down the street, leading the parade and proudly waiving in the breeze. So when you see me coming, stand straight up and salute and I will salute you by waving back. And now I know you remembered me.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 11/06/2017 - 17:10:50
Since the site is in a down moment, and with election and Vet days coming up-a poem for Chatham (somewhat out of the Blue):
Hello, Remember me, some people call me old Glory, others call me the Star Sapangled Banner. But whatever you call me, I'm your flag, the flag of the United states of America. Something has been bothering me, so I thought I would talk it over with you because this is about me and you. Not too long ago, people were lining up on both sides of the street, to see a parade go by and naturally I was leading the parade, proudly waving in the breeze. And when your Daddy saw me coming, he would immediately remove his hat and place it over his left shoulder, so that his right hand would be over his heart. And you, standing there...right next to yout Dad. You didn't have a hat and your little sister, not to be out done, was standing right next to you. Both of yo had your right hand over your heart. What has happened now? I do not feel as proud as proud as I used to... I'm still the same o'ld Flag. I see children around playing, shouting, they don't seem to care
who I am or what I stand for. I saw an elderly elderly gentlemen take his

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 11/06/2017 - 17:01:13
I would contact Dave Archibald. I used to do such things but haven't carved or gilded any signs or eagles for at least 25 years.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/31/2017 - 09:12:39
looking to have a couple scallop shell relief carvings for a new mantel. Anyone in area still carve?
Gary <garycouture@tds.net>
South Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/30/2017 - 20:29:20
OK... Belated birthday wishes to Bob..
Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 10/28/2017 - 12:31:14
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding - it was Bob Ryder who had the birthday on the 25th.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 10/27/2017 - 17:20:50
Enjoy your day Richard ....
Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/26/2017 - 16:20:19
Happy Birthday Richard!!
Mike Crosman <crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Thu 10/26/2017 - 12:49:17
Happy birthday Bob Ryder! I won't forgot that recent Melville's "gam" we had.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Thu 10/26/2017 - 08:15:17
Happy Birthday brother/ Captain Bob Ryder ! No one can say you haven't lived life to the fullest.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 10/25/2017 - 17:17:46
Thanks, Ben.I feel so fortunate to have had the friends I had in Chatham. Year-round and summer friends were all wonderful. And the square dances were so much fun.
John Whelan <sockpirate44@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/24/2017 - 13:29:56
Hello Again:

For whatever reason, Disney (owner of ESPN) took the site down.

However if you truly wish to see inspiration google this:

Carson Wentz "Dutch Destroyer" and a dream come true

You still should be able to see something out of the ordinary

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 10/24/2017 - 13:27:50
John, if you permit me

"Mommy, why are you crying" last words of a 10 year old boy.

If you're not a fan of ESPN or NFL, you may have missed this - an inspirational post you may wish to view:

www.espn.com/blog/nfination/post/_id/253534/carson-wentz-grants-fu

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 10/24/2017 - 08:26:40
Just to explain, I saw the name Kitty DiLorenzo and brought back memories which I tried to describe then the next summer the West Chatham Square Dances were a whole new thing - Judy Dallen, Nancy Eldredge, Patty Hanlon, Suzy Muldowney, and even Jane Harding years older but gorgeous - coming of age for me! I fondly remember Eddie Doane, Patty Hanlon, and Jane as late members of this Room but how about the others like Kitty and Rudy? BTW Johnny Whelan was the most poised and handsome of all of us sweating guys - hasn't changed a bit! One of my life's great boyhood memories was having John Whelan as a pal!
Ben H
USA - Mon 10/23/2017 - 22:43:19
It was not until I graduated from Stockbridge School at UMASS in 1959, and bought a car (a (1940 Ford Coupe) did I have the courage to ask girls, either Summer girls or former classmates, out for a date. Now 60 years later, I have found the love of my life, Pat. We have been married for 27 years, but previously married 23 years to someone else. According to the likes of Don St. Pierre and brother John, a 50 year marriage means to the same person!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/23/2017 - 19:01:47
Carl: aka Susie M.?
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/23/2017 - 15:59:32
Bet it is Elizabeth Taylor changing Ben's Goodads into baseball balls.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Fri 10/20/2017 - 17:29:39
Richard and everyone so many interesting posts brought back memories like this one - first exposure to anything other than baseball and 14 year old boy stuff was when I had to go to the laundromat and ask Mrs DiLorenzo if Kitty could come out and play - what she didn't know was I ws really a front for Rudy (that Ulrich boy!) and as soon as Kitty was freed to come with me (innocent, harmless) we headed across town to the CBI beach dunes where she would meet up with Rudy and "make out" - sometimes they would bring Ashlynne Summers for me but neither she nor I knew what to do or had any interest in doing it so we'd leave them and go find Eddie Doane and head up to that brick drugstore on the corner and order 3 lime rickeys - everything changed dramatically the next year when I went to my first West Chatham square dance - better stop there
Ben H
USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 21:21:03
The cement walkway to Frank Dill's front entrance is still there. The house was moved to Shore Rd., down below the house on the corner of Main ST. and Shore Rd.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 21:02:04
Paul Karr was a ham radio operator when I was I scouts. He taught us morse code and how to operate a ham radio. His call sign was W1dpo.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 20:57:56
Paul Karr went to sea as a Merchant Marine telegraphist and may well have worked at WCC. I will check the RCA pay records.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 10/19/2017 - 10:41:46
Okay, so the plot thickens with Stephen Page dropping off a telegraph key that was formerly Paul Karr's. Does anyone know if former Postmaster Karr served anywhere as a Radio Operator? I plan to turn the key over to the Chatham Marconi Maritime Museum. It has vestiges of tape wrapped around the heavy base, which indicates to me that it might have been used aboard ship; the tape to keep it from sliding.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 10/18/2017 - 19:52:59
Richard, I have a copy of that photo.Will get it to Gordon at some point.
Since I think it is a Kelsey photo. Looks like Dick Kelsey on end of lower step.
Eddy Doane, perhaps Ann Doane, with a couple of Corrigans added in. Maybe a Forgeron girl in back row?
Thanks again for including me for your class 60th reunion.

Susiefishback
USA - Wed 10/18/2017 - 11:39:06
Richard.. The name of the Inn was Duncreeven. A relative of mine by the name of Chester Kendrick died there and my mother took care of the burial... Frank Dills' house was located on the corner of Old Harbor Rd. and Highland Ave. today that would place the house in the corner of Catholic Church parking lot..
Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 10/18/2017 - 09:40:37
Barry: Is it possible that the picture was taken on the steps of the Kendall Green, a two story rooming house that was just on the North side of what is now the Bank Of America on Old Harbor Road?
Stephen Page, who lived on the street where the Catholic church is and was, could not ID any but a couple of the boys in the picture. He stopped by today while I was out to drop off a telegraph key that Paul Karr used, and a duffel bag from Benjamin Oliver Eldredge's house, what was next door to the Pages on Highland Ave.
"Benny Oliver" was a Surfman at Old Harbor Station starting in 1898.
Today, the plot has definitely thickened.

Gordon: What was the name of the Inn? Didn't Frankie Dill live there later?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 19:36:09
Barry.. You are correct, the Inn was located there. The Ruggles family ran the Inn back in the 40's and Joan Ruggles was my classmate.
Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 19:21:54
I'm pretty sure, if it's the same picture I'm thinking of, this was a birthday party at Kitty Dilorenzo's house, which was across the street from Depot Rd. on Old Harbor Rd., where the Catholic Church parking lot is now. I think I have the picture somewhere. Did this look like a wide front porch we were standing on?
Barry <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 16:57:16
I have a photo given to me by Suzie Fishback with a bunch of little kids standing on the steps of a building under a sign reading "The Duncreeven". I can ID John Pratt, Barry Fulcher, Ron Baker, and Gordon Baker, but the girls I don't recognize., Anyone know anything about the Duncreeven? Did these 21 kids go to Ireland seventy years ago?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 10/17/2017 - 12:04:12
Richard, your father was an incredible man. Active on the internet until 98, still out raking for clams into his 90's, interesting to converse with right until his death. But I agree, it is quite a surprise that people from your class do not have email addresses. I feel use of the computer is an important part of how I conduct my life.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 10/15/2017 - 09:04:50
On the night before our 60th Graduation event, I am pleased to say that ten out of the original 22 graduates of the Class of 1957 will be in attendance tomorrow night at the 400 East in Harwich. If you happen to stop by, we'll be in the side room starting at 5 PM. So many of the class don't have email addresses, so that is a source of wonder for me.
Dave Ryder kept up on the internet and had an email address until close to his death at age 98.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 10/13/2017 - 19:37:52
It was a great pleasure to talk with another Chatham "Fish Pier Rat". The place was my playground as a kid, and it still is a cool place to visit. Jackie "Springs" Crosman was Mike's Dad.

What a thrill it is for me to bring the CG36500 in to the Fish Pier occasionally, when that same boat was operational when I was rowing Dave Ryder's dory in the harbor over 60 years ago.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 17:22:59
So great to meet you Dick Ryder while we visited Rock Harbor!! &#128077;
Mike Crosman <Crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 10:03:32
Golf, doctor appt., Atwood, Windmill, Mow lawn, visitors, American Airlines.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 04:47:09
Carl, my calendar entries are C. It must be the age!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 04:44:51
If you keep a calendar on the wall or on your computer which entries are the most frequent?

A. pay bills
B. doctor appointments
C. attend funeral
D. go quahogging
E. other?

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Mon 10/09/2017 - 03:17:22
Bill: What a caring and amazing neighbor you have there. My husband buys the contents of storage units up for auction from time to time and donates stuffed toys to our local fire station. Also, with advanced notice, the fire departments here in Naples drive their fire engines thru poor neighborhoods and toss stuffed animals out to the kids as they see them pass by. What an impression they leave on these precious children who will never forget their kindness. Anna. p.s. Many people think that everyone in Naples is rich but that is not the case. If one spends any time here and really looks around they will be amazed by the poverty which exists too.
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 10/07/2017 - 09:46:05
I have an elderly, widowed neighbor here in Missouri. Each month when her check comes in, she heads straight to the Dollar General store and buys 5 stuffed animals. Then she drives over to the nearest Highway Patrol troop headquarters in Willow Springs, and donates them. They get placed in various patrol cars, and then, at the scene of accidents, these stuffed animals provide countless hours of relief to the children of accident victims. What a completely selfless and classy thing to do. People are amazing.
Bill
MO USA - Fri 10/06/2017 - 09:59:36
Yes, we have a huge list of the badly needed items to choose from. Stuffed animals were not on the list, however.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 10/05/2017 - 20:49:47
I understand that most needed items in these desperate areas are baby formula, diapers, and personal toiletry items for adults. And I bet that small stuffed animals would be most welcome by the children....something to hold on to and comfort them in their time of need. Anna
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Thu 10/05/2017 - 20:20:32
Anna, The first 2 totes were picked up today by Brewster Police Dept. and now we are working on tote 3. Glad we can help in this small way.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 10/05/2017 - 14:02:33
The need following Hurricane Irma is more than we can fathom. Thanks, Nancy, for you and your residents helping out from so far away. I heard today that Everglades City (southeast of Naples) is 80% destroyed, some have 5 ft. of water in what is left of their homes and many have no where to go. It has been 3 1/2 weeks and FEMA has done nothing to help them. Temporary mobile homes were suppose to be brought in by them, but so far "no show". It is more desperate than what we can imagine. Our County says it will take up to 2 years to remove all the fallen trees and debris piled up along our roadsides.
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 10/04/2017 - 20:37:31
What's the question?
Thomas Doane <tommydoane@comcast.net>
WEST CHATHAM, MA USA - Wed 10/04/2017 - 18:57:06
Here at The Woodlands I am so proud of my fellow residents! We have filled one tote and working on the second with items for victims of Hurricane Irma. "It is better to give rather than receive".
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 10/04/2017 - 12:17:52
"If you don't ask the question, the answer is always "no". Russ Damon
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 10/03/2017 - 23:50:05
John, I seem to remember hearing the noon whistle when I was a kid in the very early 90s. And I do remember its present d on the skeleton tower overlooking Vets Field. I remember Ralphie Nick being present when the tower was dismantled so his dump truck may have been used to remove the scrap metal. If I remember correctly, Dick Kelsey ended up with the siren itself but that was long ago.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Mon 10/02/2017 - 06:33:27
Thanks Carl and Carole. I will forward your telephone number to her.
Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/30/2017 - 19:51:35
I'd be happy to give Sandra Small Hathaway a ride & she can stay in an upstairs bedroom here.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Sat 09/30/2017 - 14:09:03
Heard today from Sandra Small Hathaway. Anyone willing to pick her up in Newton? She is recovering from hip replacement surgery, and has driven some but is not sure she should tackle the trip from Newton to Chatham.
Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/29/2017 - 18:12:33
I sent them invitations, but maybe to the wrong address. If anyone comes up with a current address, send me an email. Thanks
Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/28/2017 - 16:51:06
Eddie lives in our neighborhood, so I'll stop in and tell him.
Sylvia <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/28/2017 - 13:05:54
Richard - Cynthia speaks to both of them. I'll call her to see if they know.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/28/2017 - 09:27:33
Have heard from a majority of the remaining Chatham High School Class of 1957 graduates re our upcoming Reunion on the 14th at 400 East, to the positive. Still trying to locate Pat Simone Schmidt and Sandra Small Hathaway. If anyone sees Eddie Johnson around, can you ask him to respond? Or maybe he in the Witness Protection Program.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 09/27/2017 - 17:28:32
I have an original Fire Alarm Code Sheet for the Town of Eastham, date unknown, which was based on a compressed air horn rather than a siren. It had a noon "Automatic Test Blow" of one, and a "Fire All Out" signal of two blasts. #15 was the "Airport and Area", which is now Runway Lane and North 40 Road. There was an effort in years past to make the horn functional again, but it was given up as too complicated.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 17:49:27
I'm the same age as JimP and moved full time to Chatham in july/aug 1971. I also remember the noon siren and the siren being used for school closings. So at least into the early 70s.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 10:40:20
Judith Winters, my hometown used that same system. The Noon Whistle was also a tradition.
Melissa
USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 10:07:28
The fire alarm use to be rung from the telephone office on Old Harbor Rd. The operators knew which numbers to call to let the volunteers know exactly where the fire was and what kind of fire. Not sure where the alarm was moved after Chatham went dial, I believe in the early 60's. There were numbered discs and different rings were for different parts of town. If it rang from your area the switchboard lit up with people calling to ask where it was. Memories of long ago days.
Barbara <bejsteve@gmal.com>
NH USA - Mon 09/25/2017 - 08:12:09
I grew up in a very small village in New York where the entire fire department was comprised of volunteers. My dad was one of them. We had a chart on the back of a closet door so everyone knew by the number of blasts where the fire was. As kids, my siblings and I loved the NO SCHOOL code along with the sound of chains on tires. Those were the days!
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 09/24/2017 - 17:03:32
I will sign that petition John! There may be some opposition from the folks in the Condos across the Street if we're going to put it back in the same place.
Tony Murphy
W. Chatham, MA USA - Sun 09/24/2017 - 06:12:51
If your petition to bring back the siren is successful, John, ask the town to please consider locating it not at the Fire Station but instead on town property immediately adjacent to the 8th tee at the CBI golf course - preferably mounted in a living tree but if not then atop the bandstand or as close to the new McMansion as possible - make it REALLY LOUD as loud as Barry and Sylvia's cannon - make it easy for pranksters to set it off at all hours - maybe that will send a town of Chatham message to the home owner who poisoned the trees to improve his view!
Ben H
USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 19:19:40
The Chatham High School bells are now safely ensconced on the grounds of the Atwood House Museum. Back in the late forties, early fifties, the Methodist Church clock and the CHS bells were my watch. I didn't have a watch until I graduated from High School.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 17:43:02
John, I think the siren was stopped in the early eighties as the structure was unsafe and pagers went into effect as more off duty firemen and women worked out of town on off days. I'm not sure if some of them might carry walkie talkies now or cell phones.
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 15:02:53
Judith, the church in Harwich Center rings their bells also!!
Sylvia <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 14:59:43
Just a thought or two regarding the noon siren. I wonder John, if you've asked someone in the fire department about the siren. Perhaps when the new fire station was built the siren was silenced? Doesn't one of the town churches ring bells at noon? I may be confusing the latter with the town of Concord where I once lived.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 13:55:07
I liked the siren. Maybe I'll start a petition to bring it back.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/23/2017 - 12:41:46
I think government have to find something with the huricanne
Roberta Bearpaw <roberta.bearpaw32@gmail.com>
Columbus, OH USA - Fri 09/22/2017 - 17:51:44
I think it went into the '70's. i remember 4th grade it going off and the teacher, Kevin Foley, telling Melanie it was her mom calling her.

Much later 2006-2008, i was stationed in Key West doing counter-drug work and guess who had his sloop docked there for tours? KEvin Foley. He treated us well, took the conch twins out on Pirate Cruises all the time. He had a cast of charatcers there that would dress up like pirates and take folks out for cruises. Great guy.

Jimp
USA - Fri 09/22/2017 - 07:13:35
John, I would say early to mid 60's.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 20:57:22
John, I do not have the answer to that but I can say with certainty that it was alive and well during the 1950's when I was employed by Nickerson Lumber Co. I never really did get used to the 12 o'clock siren or the fire alarm whistles... ear piercing. One day I was on the phone during an electrical storm when a bolt of lightning struck the whistle tower first and then my phone!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 13:13:24
When did the siren at 12 noon in Chatham go away? And why?
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 12:44:38
At our previous house, having a well meant a generator was a necessity. In long power outages we would often hear a knock at the front door. Standing there would be someone we had not seen in years, but who was obviously without power and without a generator. Seeing the lights they would assume our well and the toilets were working and they came to ask if they could use the bathroom. We never turned anyone away and it did impart a sense of community.
Roger
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 09/21/2017 - 10:17:54
Good to hear from Anna and Bruce. Thanks for the description of what was happening.
Here in Eastham, we have used a generator more times than I can count. since 1993. Used to have a 5000 watt Honda, gas fueled. Now have a propane fueled 8KW set that comes on automatically. With a well, we really depend on such power supplies when the power goes out for days.
Amy, Dad used to bring his boat to Ryder's Cove when he anticipated a heavy breeze.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/19/2017 - 20:02:01
One of the most beautiful sights to me, and I can't quite explain it, is the sistering of the fishing boats in Ryder's Cove whenever there is an impending big storm. Drive by if you've not in the last day or so.....
Amy
USA - Tue 09/19/2017 - 19:39:26
Thanks for the update. Glad you bought a generator - they have been known to be used more than once! Haven't gotten one yet but the ice maker is working just fine!
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Mon 09/18/2017 - 23:58:45
Hurricane Irma provided a lot of challenges and lots of damage to many homes such as mobile and manufactured homes. Huge trees were uprooted everywhere making roads impassable. Some traffic lights are still not up and running. Thankfully our home was not damaged. We did find lots of huge metal pieces in our back yard which had traveled thru the air from a mobile park located about one-half mile away. We just got our cable on tonight and were without power for 6 days in 90 degree heat. Being hearty New Englanders, we rode out the Hurricane in our home. Scary, but we are grateful to be in good shape. Marco took a big hit. All the shelters were filled with hundreds of people and some poor souls are still there if their homes are still not livable.
Fema, The Red Cross, and Salvation had no coordination amongst their organizations and no food was available to the shelter residents for several days...just snacks which people brought with them. Porta-Johns lined up behind the jail and the county government buildings. Rural neighborhood roads were flooded. Many fled to Georgia and other states. We had shutters put on our windows and after the storm, neighbors took them down for us. We have wonderful, caring neighbors and all of us shared what we could with others. Gas,water and ice were like gold when available. No gas for many days was difficult. We had to stand in line one day for 2 hours to fill our tank. We bought a generator after the storm when we had no power and about 3 hours after it was up and running the electricity came on...go figure. One learns a lot after experiencing a hurricane, of what to do and not to do before the next one arrives.

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 09/18/2017 - 21:35:19
Jim - Thanks to you (and your family) for your service, dedication and for protecting our way of life in the USA and Chatham. Hope to see you next time you're back in town.
J. D. Cauble <jdcauble@chatham-ma.gov>
Chatam, MA USA - Fri 09/15/2017 - 16:36:22
9/11 - for me, it was coming back from PT at III Corps at Fort Hood. A few of us watched the attacks while getting dressed for work. That morning kicked off a sequence of events that has not yet ended. I started working 24 hours round the clock that day. The next year I did a year in Korea unaccompanied. Then assigned back to SOF at Bragg where I spent the next three years basically overseas. Basically 5 years away from family. 16 years later and we're still at it. No closer to ending this "thing".

Have I mentioned how I hate politicians?

JimP
USA - Thu 09/14/2017 - 18:40:36
Diane
911 Rememberance Ceremonies: First, you are speaking of probably the 2 greatest first Responder units across the USA and probably the World. However, there has been for many years, this turf sort of thing, about just who is in charge when a tragedy occurs in NYC. Hence the probable explanation for the 2 ceremonies, but not sure if you will ever routinely see this in print.

Clearly, at the towers, the FDNY provided the direction as to how the situation would be handled. Perhaps you remember the film of the Naudet Brothers who worked out of the Deaune Street fire house that week. Most of the film aired only once, shortly after the event and so far never again, only clips. I suspect for the general public, if you wish to see the film unedited or shall we say the part that aired once, you have to pay for it.

I mention this because on that day, clearly the film demonstrates that the FDNY took charge. And one of the Naudet brothers actually captured the true courage of the FDNY. During a special moment, there must have been at least 50-100 FDNY men, who stood in the lobby of the towers awaiting direction. When the Battalion commander gave the order to go up the stairs, everyone of those guys proceeded onward and upward, all of them knowing they would face certain death and they all went, without question. Amazing!!! Immediately after the falling of the first tower, the FDNY Chaplin was killed in the lobby and one of the FDNY chiefs who issued the order to go up, was killed himself.

Whether you were FDNY, NYPD, Security at the tower, or employees within the tower, they all heros. A prayer for those who passed along with their grieving families is in order today for sure!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 20:51:37
Rich, David and family are doing okay.....no power but feeling grateful. Barry and Becky I do not know about. Anna and Bruce either. Naples got hit hard but they are not near water. Could not help but think of Dad and Lorraine and all the years they spent on hard-hit Marco Island.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 18:23:56
Nice to see that some of the cruise ships that operate out of FL will be standing by offshore of some of their Ports Of Call to provide whatever assistance they can. Also, many major US military assets (USN and USCG) are being deployed to help folks in various places. Thanks to Igor Sikorsky, an immigrant, for the helos we have now.
Wonder how Florida residents Cousins Barry and Becky Ryder, as well as nephew David Larkin, are doing?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 17:35:34
Does anyone know why there were two separate 911 rememberance ceremonies today? One at the fire department and one at the police department. Wouldn't it better to combine the two? I didn't even know about the police department ceremony until a friend told me about it today at lunch.
Diane <Tables4two@me.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 09/11/2017 - 14:40:05
Anna and Bruce, Better, And should have!!
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 09/09/2017 - 21:10:28
Wonder if Anna and Bruce have evacuated from Naples.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 09/09/2017 - 19:30:43
Okay. Snow birds may have no place to go to this winter, if Irma does her thing. That has consequences for the Cape if so many decide to stay here for the winter. Like more people wanting to dine out. Or be recipients of care from local fire departments. These potentially catastrophic storm effects will not be confined to Florida.
Cruise ships will have to alter their itineraries, as the east coast ports of FL will certainly be adversely affected by Irma. Wonder where they are going right now to hide?
And, don't neglect or forget Hurricane Jose.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 09/07/2017 - 17:53:59
Okay, now stand by for Hurricane Jose, forming in the Atlantic. These extreme storms have been predicted to happen. A category Five Storm, as Irma is, combined with Harvey, will take all the money that it might take to build a wall.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 09/05/2017 - 18:02:31
OOpsie, it is the 14th Of October, not the 24th.. Hit the wrong key.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/03/2017 - 19:38:54
Just to let the Chatham High School Class of 1957 know, I have reserved a room at the 400 East Restaurant in East Harwich for the night of Saturday October 24th, the next weekend after Columbus Day. This would be for the remaining of us to get together, chat, and order from the menu. Some class members do not have email addresses, so I will be sending actual snail mail reminders. Hope those of you who are on this site will bring this to their attention.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 09/03/2017 - 19:37:34
Mr Ryder:
While you seemed to have felt that the folks in Corning appreciated $$ rather than clothes, for you to remember your deed across these years you lead me to believe you had the quality of real generosity of the soul. You did something nice for some folks who received the clothes and I'll bet someone indeed appreciated those clothes you brought to them during that flood period. It may have not been expressed at the moment, perhaps because the Corning People were so overwhelmed with their fate, like those in Texas who will come to know this feeling if they haven't felt it already.

In your effort, however large or small one may view it, you shared in the risk and burden of those flooded families.

"The real world is risky territory for people with generosity of spirit."

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 09/02/2017 - 20:27:23
Stand by for Hurricane IRMA.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 18:00:23
While in Ithaca, NY in 1972, I drove my Jeep pickup to flooded Corning, NY with a load of donated clothing. I think the victims would have appreciated $$ rather than clothes.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 17:58:45
Hooray Hooray it is the first of September
Outdoor activities go asunder!

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 16:10:18
JimP : Regarding stuff as donations: A HS classmate was the Emergency Management Director for one of the FL counties on east coast...he agrees and gave me link to this story that I have been posting on FB lately in response to those who want to donate bunches of old clothes. See:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pzH-7k035sM

J. Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 13:59:40
Carl, He (and I) enjoy your posts. I just heard....all went well in Boston. Missing Old Harbor Rd. Life goes on.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 09/01/2017 - 13:36:22
Had a terrific supper with eight of us locals and I sat next to a sometime contributor to this site. He was very gracious and asked me if when I came home if I would make an entry. I said that I would but could not think of much. I know we are all in a local age zone on the room and how much we enjoyed John, Ben H., Jim P, and Jared among others and the new faces that contribute so much. Best of luck to you on your early medical trip to Boston tomorrow and this entry is for you.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Thu 08/31/2017 - 22:37:59
an update here in Texas: We in San Antonio got off lucky - just a lot of rain and some wind. We needed the rain very badly. However, Houston, Beaumont, etc got pummeled. They simply don't have the drainage to shed or absorb the water as ya'll do up north, everything is limestone and shale here.

Recommendation: I've done a lot of disaster assistance in my time in the military. Donating "items" is almost counter-productive. You need to package it, it needs inspection, loading, transportation, unloading, distribution, etc. It is costly and takes up precious fuel and delivery assets which could be used better elsewhere.

It would be smarter and more effective to search a philanthropic organization and donate cash. Money is the most efficacious commodity. It is easily transported via wire transfer; it can meld itself into anything that is needed; and it is responsive to a "pull" methodology rather than the "push" methodology required of items or goods.

Don't get me wrong - every little bit helps, but be smart in how your hard-earned dollars are spent. We here in San Antonio are feeling the effects as many of the folks were evac'd here. The gas stations are all running out of gas and the Texas Guard is at full mobilization. I see a LOT of trucks/assets transporting water/gen-sets/etc on the highways now.

Just an update from the "conk-twins", now living in there city of the Alamo. Jim

JimP
USA - Thu 08/31/2017 - 20:08:40
Richard Ryder: Just voted a few times for your entry but each vote only helped by 0.02% and you were at 32% with Bonito at 48% so would take 50 votes per 1% and 800+ votes to catch up...
J. Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Thu 08/31/2017 - 04:31:19
In addition to prayers, for those wishing to contribute to relief efforts in Texas- Team Rubicon is currently on the ground conducting rescues and Samantha's Purse and the Salvation Army are providing much needed supplies- drinking water, food, medical aid, clothing, baby formula. The list is endless what is needed.
Elaine
USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 22:20:48
Apparently, multiple votes for the dredge name are allowed. Just what does Bonito have to do with Cape Cod? More likely a name favored by the Vineyarders. As far as I know, Bonito don't get too close to the Cape. Vote early and often, before noon tomorrow.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 19:40:10
Just voted for "Sand Piper". After all, it pushes sand through a pipe!
Allen Boyce
West Hartford, CT USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 18:28:55
As a newbie to this site, navigating here is more difficult than navigating the new cut in South Beach in the dead of night in a gale. I hope I am in the right channel.
I'm reaching out to Nancy Petrus to ask her to help me determine if my large(2.5' X 5') whirligig of Chatham's Grist Mill (Bosley?) is by Arthur Edwards (Shavings). Nancy, I may never be able to find your response on the CHAT-M-Room,so please use email listed above.

Rosalie Moretti <chathamfog@verizon.net>
west chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 12:26:20
The Arliegh Burke class of destroyer comprises 66 ships of 277 deployable ships in the US Navy. That gives it a very good probabilistic chance of being involved in incidents. I'm not saying that there isn't a reason they were involved in both incidents, but it might just be coincidence.

The Arleigh Burke class was supposed to be obsolete, replaced by the futuristic Zumwalt class destroyer. But costs for Zumwalt were so high that they changed the order from 32 ships to 3 and added more new Arleigh Burke class ships. Ten more are planned.

The Zumwalts are all built at Bath Iron Works in Maine and I've seen all three of them there.

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Wed 08/30/2017 - 07:37:00
Some miss the point about the 2 ships. It's not just the coincidence of the 2 ships, it's the ships themselves. 2 identical ships with the same specific missions. This is not just 2 random Navy ships.
Bll P <southchatham@hotmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 18:54:11
Richard....Just checked and you and SAND PIPER are in 2nd place at 34.45 % at 8/29/17 1106 hours...

GORDY

Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 11:06:29
Ben H:
How could anyone disagree with Capt Eyer's quote that you posted. However, if thee is "another accident" like the the Fitz and the McCain with Navy ships over the next month or two, there might be more to it than appropriate training or electronic Gizmos to it

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 09:56:46
Greetings:
The Barnstable County "Name The Dredge" contest ends on the 31st. Please vote for your favorite (hopefully my nominee SAND PIPER ) by visiting barnstable county.org . The winner is supposed to have something to do with Cape Cod. Some nominees don't.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/29/2017 - 09:05:18
Ben, great post! Capt. Eyer hit it perfectly.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/28/2017 - 05:52:33
And then there was the time when the bosun's mate with his ring full of keys walked across the bridge when it was on magnetic steering...
Carl Olson <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 08/26/2017 - 01:06:24
Alan, this is for you, Richard, and others from our seafaring town who wonder how those recent collisions at sea could have happened
Comments from Captain Kevin Eyer USN (ret) who commanded USS Chancellorsville, USS Shiloh, and USS Thomas Gates
"I've been back on the bridge in my head for several days, now, and while I am certain that the fault here lies in those who let those crews go to sea, less trained than they should be, I'm also quite sure that the functional failure was this: Young officers are hypnotized by technology, nowadays. They cannot grasp that it might not be perfect all the time. They just look to it for answers. So, yes, the radar detects the ship which is going to hit you, but it's also detecting hundreds of other ships in the busy waters of the SE Asia. Does the system say, "Hey, look out!"? Yes it does, but because there are sooooo many ships around it's constantly chirping. What is the right thing to do in these circumstances? Look UP! Look OUT! Use your senses, in real time (it takes the computer a little time to detect things like course changes, while you can detect that ship turning towards you in real time, with you eyes). I promise, I can teach a young officer - heck anyone from my era can - to learn how to pick out the dangers, and ignore the ships which mean nothing to you - just based on their "target angle" and bearing drift. Sometimes, it's so busy that you have to just drive. We don't train them for that anymore. We allow them to rely totally upon technology."

Ben H
USA - Fri 08/25/2017 - 20:17:06
Glad you liked it Alan.. However, I prefer not to push John too far when it comes to unrelated items being posted.
Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/25/2017 - 10:44:22
Gordon
The site you suggested was great, do you have any more like that one!?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 08/22/2017 - 23:04:14
Do not understand, overnight another incident happening now with another missile Destroyer, the USS John S McCain Ten are reporting missing and the ship looks like it has a nice slice in it. When this kind of thing happens, it impacts every USA Citizen, first and foremost the crew missing, they could come from your community, More importantly, these crews are out there 24-7 protecting all of America.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 08/21/2017 - 09:37:12
Alan, good guess, but incorrect. Close in one sense. Your civilian clothes make you a rainbow. Other squads will chant that song as they pass you by. It takes a day or so to get your AF uniforms. In my case 3 days as I arrived on a Friday night and was a rainbow all weekend until Monday.
Bll P <southchatham@hotmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/20/2017 - 19:59:06
Ben H. I have passed your qualification mark! Whew! Anna
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 20:36:13
Gordon Pratt regarding your request I can't speak for John H but I thought it was an unwritten rule in the CHAT-M-Room that once you passed your 80th birthday, you could do or post any damn thing you wanted in here!
ben h
USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 19:53:36
Sean everyone invited
earl hubbard <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 18:45:23
Every time I see you come forward to speak at the BOS meetings I think of your chat room.
I check it out all the time. Spent many years in Chatham.Keep up to date by watching many committees on channel 18

earl hubbard <ehubbard1929@yahoo.com>
southbury, CT USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 18:43:45
I wonder where the harbormaster will be patrolling today...
Todd
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 08/19/2017 - 11:10:45
Sean, Be advised if they get paid they must have a Coast Guard license.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 15:34:44
I am in need of someone to assist shuttling people from the fish pier to the outer beach this coming Sunday. The pay is good and it includes plenty of fun and food. If interested please send me an email. Thanks.
Sean <srsummer@comcast.net >
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 15:12:10
The web page I have posted here is the inside tour of the space station as it circles the earth right now... I am posting it now to coincide with the upcoming eclipse on Monday.. Believe me folks when I say this web page is one of the best you will ever see. A personal message to Mr. Halgren.. I would appreciate it if you would allow this.. Thanks John...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ doN4t5NKW-k

Gordon B Pratt <jgpratt2@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 14:27:44
Hi everyone! Just a reminder to all that the Sharks in The Park auction ends today at noon! We all probably know at least one of the artists so keep an eye on your favorite!
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/18/2017 - 09:00:42
Mr. Ryder
I am none of what you suggest, just in ordinary guy. Because of your background, I was thinking you and others might be interested on other findings about 6-19' What do you think? The real question, did you follow up with what I suggested, for others, sorry for the riddles.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 22:55:24
Alan, were you some kind of what we called a "spook" in Vietnam? You operate on either a much higher, or perhaps much lower, level than the rest of us.

Cleared only for Secret: USN, Retired

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 21:56:37
KW=key words
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 19:51:12
This post for all you Chatham Military folks
Need to be a bit vague KW
Go back to Ben H post of 6-19
Then google an update about that happening.
Might be supposition or might be one example of creative angles being used

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/17/2017 - 19:50:35
Bill P:
Rainbow: could that be because you were given a Yellow T-shirt and Blue Shorts on your first days. Road Guards out.

Here's a few others for you that you may know:

Dust off, a favorite: Medevac- anyone, anywhere, anytime

Shake and Bake: Easy stripes quickly due to leadership voids

Disneyland Far East: US Military Asst Command

Howard Johnson's: Push carts in "the wonder land" For all those HoJo fans out there, might wish to pick up a sandwich here instead of the club

Fubar is right up there: F... up beyond recognition. I guess I could get in a little trouble for that one

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 22:46:42
Alan, newbie is very common parlance in the military and not insulting at all. Your first post after basic and training you are and will be called a newbie, by your fellow troops.

In AF basic we were call rainbows for a day or two. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that means.


Rainbow, don't be blue,
My recruiter fooled me, too."
(Sound off, one, two -- one, two, three, four ...)

Bll P <southchatham@hotmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 20:44:18
Allen: Thanks to Yogi for that comment. And if there is a fork in the road, take it. Now, I heard this at Old Harbor on Monday:" Did you know that the Norwegian Navy and the Danes, and the Swedes are applying very large barcodes to their vessels? So they can Scanthenavies!" Best I got for today.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 19:23:47
It is so crowded no one goes there anymore! See you all in September. I will bring my manners and courteous driving habits.
Allen R Boyce
West Hartford, CT USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 14:43:35
Judy, Emily, Richard - The tourist brochures promise them an idyllic Cape Cod vacation with cute shops, great restaurants & theaters, and well-manicured beaches. And what do our visitors get? A town full of people just like themselves! It's enough to ruin anybody's vacation!
Bob Fishback <robertef45@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/16/2017 - 10:59:27
From a local fish market, open year round, they describe August visitors as the "angry August" people. I have heard this before. Maybe they feel their time is so valuable, that they have to make the best of it while they are here. Texting while driving, edging out in to the traffic lane so some benevolent driver will let them in, as if they are still in Manhattan, or NJ, CT, or Boston.
Please don't give up the right of way, unless traffic is stopped. This goes for clueless Spandex bicyclists as well, who seem to think that Route 28 between Orleans and Chatham is okay for them to hold up traffic while they do their thing. Yes, they have the same rights, but they share responsibilities of the roadway. Like get off the road, take a break, if you are impeding traffic.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 19:44:52
Emily - I'm with you! I have never encountered such rude people in my life. I stop to let them out at intersections- no thank you, I ask them if I can " squeeze by their carriage" when they leave it in the middle of the aisle at Stop & Shop and get glared at - no response - and the topper - my friend and I were in my driveway the other day and a man went walking by. We both looked at him and said "hello" and he just stared at us like we swore at him and turned away. My friend said - " I hope you have a better day"! What's with the pusses and the attitudes? Go home and take the attitudes with you!
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 18:34:51
Emily, you should have looked at them, smiled and said: "How Christian of you".

Fall is right around the corner. I'm thinking of flying up for a few days of fly-fishing the fall run of stripers; eating some clams; drinking a pint or eight at the Squire and saying hello to all the folks.

Hang in there until the bridge beckons them home on Labor Day.

JimP
USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 18:27:53
I am tired of this summer and it's type of visitor. I try to be helpful, tolerant and welcoming. This evening, while helping my nearly blind husband down the stairs at the Congregational Church, a young family barged in front of us, with one young lad yelling....."see.....that's what you will be like when you get old"! It was rude, hurtful and they all laughed. Oh, dear. Maybe I will finally get that vanity license plate that says......"go home".
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 08/13/2017 - 17:29:48
Mr Ryder:
Was not drafted, never aspired to be a 20 year career person and have a DD214.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 08/12/2017 - 21:42:05
Alan, I spent 20 years, day for day, in the US Navy. No Reserve time. I was an E-1 newbie myself, so I meant NO insult to anyone in the service of this country.

Tell us about your military service.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/12/2017 - 19:49:47
Most everyone knows Lighthouse Beach and Hardings Beach are at least a mile apart. Andrew Hardings Lane is probably what the Cape Cod Chronicle meant to say.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/11/2017 - 09:50:52
Another one of those friendly Ryder comments. "Connecting of the Dots," I guess this is suppose to mean that you look for the complacent conforming majority. I would hope that I would be categorized more towards the creative maladjusted minority who likes fun and wishes for positive changes.

And by the way, your "newbe" term when speaking of members of the military should be stricken from your vocabulary, the term is extremely insulting

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/10/2017 - 23:48:49
Once again, Alan has not seen fit to connect his dots when he "contributes".
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/10/2017 - 21:18:55
Understand that a great white was spotted in the areas of Lighthouse and Harding Beaches at around 3:15 pm today, apparently feasting on a seal. Under these conditions, wondering what the possibility of a drone photo could be or if this one has been tagged and where its going?

I'm feeling bearish on shark stakes, so I am going to hedge my position. I take the right side cooked medium and the left side pink in the middle, that way when your Chef cooks it, I'll still be satisfied with 50% of the cut. Make sure the potatoes come from 2 different farms and don't even bother with the Chatham Veg., I am not going to touch them. I'll just take the loss on them. Double up on the desert.

Now your ready for all those Cape Cod Rest.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 08/10/2017 - 20:18:46
Anna that is a great story - just the opposite of heavyweight champ George Foreman who named each of his five sons George (so he wouldn't forget their names in later years when the effects of all those blows to the head kicked in - actually to be fair he said it was so they would all receive the praise or negatives as one)
ben h
USA - Wed 08/09/2017 - 22:39:06
Anna, that is so funny, did she by any chance have 'Good Grief'?
Sylvia <barsyl4041@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 08/09/2017 - 16:29:52
This is a true story told to me by the mother herself.
She and her husband had 6 children. They decided on names
for each child beginning with the letter "G". So their names
are George, Grant, Glenn, Gary, Grace, and Gloria. The
mother said if she had another child that child would be
named "Good Grief". I know this isn't relative to the Chatham
Chat Room but I thought it would make you smile today. Anna

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Wed 08/09/2017 - 15:13:13
Capt. Bob Ryder: I wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your book very much! I read it like it was the Hardy Boys! Great stories and happy to have my own copy. Thank you Bob putting all these stories into print.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 08/07/2017 - 18:11:53
Matty, a sincere HAil Mary for you and for your grieving parents
alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 08/06/2017 - 23:14:10
Matty Amsler (who was one of my young Boy Scouts in Troop 71 when I returned as an assistant scoutmaster) was in the lazarette of 44301, not the turtle or aft survivors cabin. For a boat on static display and not generally open to the public, it's not surprising that Matty wasn't located sooner. Unfortunate on all sides
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 08/06/2017 - 12:34:02
It's sad to hear that folks may be questioning the search and "arm-chair quarterbacking" these folks. "Back in the day", one of our guys rode a rubber boat in on an insertion into the Chagras River in Panama. You were supposed to push the boat off the helicopter tailgate and then follow it in at a height of around 20 feet, but it was at night and he chose to ride the boat in. Of course, the boat flipped and landed on his neck as they hit the water and his neck broke and killed him. The next day we started recovery operations and a team of us dove for him for three straight days until at one point, we were taking a break and someone happened to look off the stern of the RB 15 we had tied to the river bank as a reference point and - sure enough - he was laying on the bottom of the river, the water clarity had increased to the point where you could see his outline.

We spent three days hugging the bottom of the most shark-infested river in Panama and he was right in front of us the entire time. Bottom line: stuff happens.

This was a tragedy. No need to compound it by slinging stones at the folks who did their best to find him.

JimP
USA - Sun 08/06/2017 - 09:08:43
Last week, I had the pleasure of taking 4 new CG Station Chatham members for a short trip on the CG36500 out of Rock Harbor. Some newbies, some 12 year veterans . These same men and women were in the duty section that were engaged in Boarding Practice on the CG44301 when they discovered the Amsler person. How tough it must have been to make that discovery. His body was found in a small section of the boat, well aft, where no person would be expected to be, or could have survived for any length of time.
I suggest It is time for the Chatham community to send a message to the crew that they are supported.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/05/2017 - 16:58:35
How does the Chatham community make a public stand in front of the CG Station, avowing their continuing support for the present crew?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 08/05/2017 - 16:25:23
Never was connected or knew Matt Amsler and his story is very sad. Somehow it has been suggested that he may have taken his own life and if true this is a very sad story as well.

For any of those out there, young, old- drugs, liquor or otherwise, I think a very good piece of advise coming from a very, now humbled NFL star, who might ever find themselves in a trying situation is: "Look up, Get UP, and don't ever give up"- Michael Irving

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 08/05/2017 - 12:32:55
"Ol man river - he jus keeps rollin along".
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 08/04/2017 - 17:25:07
As Old Man River said, "Tired of living and scared of dying." Sometimes they flip.

And as Robert Frost said, "I am one well acquainted with the night."

Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Fri 08/04/2017 - 14:40:02
What a interesting bike ride I had earlier this morning. Oyster Pond shrouded in fog with a bride getting her pictures taken. She had this gorgeous white dress and was standing on the black mud flats. Wonder if dress goes to cleaner now? Riding down Cedar Street 3 wild turkeys in road - couldn't figure out if they were going to chase me or just have a staring contest. Going onto Champlain there was a deer that just stood in the middle of the road. We locked eyes before he darted away . Over the bridge and at the corner bend in front of Lighthouse a car full of teenagers laughing with cameras - fog everywhere . No pictures for you! Then I noticed the Memorial on the CG fence for Matty Amsler. Beautiful sun flowers and hydrangeas tacked to fence with a candle burning. So sad. Back through Main Street where a few blankets are already out for tonight's Band Concert - it's pretty wet - good luck with that! Up through town and the sidewalks being vacuumed. Final leg home - all I could think of was the bride at the beginning of her life and the way Matty's ended. In response to your question Richard - who knows? Mental illnesses, alcohol, drugs, etc - who knows what goes thru these tortured souls' minds.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 08/04/2017 - 11:21:57
Okay, it does seem that everyone involved did what was required of them, and maybe some went beyond. Who knew that someone would be so determined to seal himself away in a displayed CG boat?
Grandfather Richard E. Ryder, USCG, chose to check out of this life by suicide in 1933. I can empathize with the parents of this troubled young man. But, can anyone explain what brings folks to end their lives prematurely and voluntarily?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 08/03/2017 - 22:04:36
What's new? Nothing, it is just the same things happening to different people.
Carl Olson (Chowderman)
USA - Tue 08/01/2017 - 21:24:47
Doesn't anyone wonder why the Chatham PD, the MA State Police, and the DA didn't check the CG44301, 200 feet from the Lighthouse parking lot where the poor soul was last seen? Did they even check nearby houses? I know, doctors have a special tool they use called a retrospectoscope. Looking back, things sometimes become clear.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 08/01/2017 - 19:28:14
That was nine years ago - OLD news.

Very unfortunate about the remains found in the Coast Guard boat last night.

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/31/2017 - 12:27:21
The trees must have offended Mr. Wilner. http://www.wickedlocal.com/x415861566/Car-dealer-pleads-guilty-to-beating-signmaker
Chatham Insider
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/31/2017 - 11:26:25
A solution offered today by a couple I met at Rock Harbor who live near the 6th hole. Have the Town of Chatham replant some native red cedar trees, which will eventually occlude this entitled person's view. I can't imagine that there is a lot of support for this homeowner, who wants the golf course boundary lines to be moved.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/30/2017 - 17:34:10
From what I've been led to believe this will continue until the Zoning Board gets their act together and changes this. The amount he should have to pay should be equal to the value of at least one of the houses he's profiting from. This will continue until the rules and regulations change. Sad state of affairs watching what was a quaint little town disappear through these blatant flauntings of greed.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 07/27/2017 - 06:15:29
The big money developer's solution to every problem is to throw money at it
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 07/26/2017 - 19:57:22
Surprised more people didn't show up to the Planning Board meeting tonight to hear about the proposed Hunter's Rise sub-division plans. Potential of 13 one million dollar homes to be built, a conservation nightmare with trees and a lot of vegetation removed as well as a potential drain-off issue down the hill to Ocean Port Lane homes . I left when Mr Riley was trying to defend his clients offer of $204K to the Town instead of building an affordable home there.
Judy P
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/25/2017 - 20:49:13
Ben:
Candlepins with three small balls to knock them down with, right? I didn't know of any other way to bowl until I left the Cape.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/25/2017 - 17:49:53
and next to the 7th green was my uncle jim's bowling alley built in a sunken fortress of an old CBI garage - used to get all the golf balls I could ever use from that roof and parking lot
ben h
USA - Mon 07/24/2017 - 23:43:50
Although we are officially now called "Senior Citizens" a term we really are not ready for, My husband and I agree that we may just have to name our next boat, "Pills and Bills" John, we did like your posting.
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/24/2017 - 07:07:27
IMHO, the Old Money folks who came in the 40's and 50's were much more sensitive to their surroundings than the "new money" people like this guy who has apparently damaged Town of Chatham property for his own gain. Short term gain for sure.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 19:26:59
Judith, go to Google Maps, put in 30 Fairway Dr. Chatham, MA. Then go to Satellite and zoom in and it all becomes clear. Also if anyone is interested go to the Town of Chatham web site/ Assessors database get his name and Google the guy.Be sure to put in the town he lives in. He is an interesting guy, 18 months of house arrest and other stuff. I won't give out his name but it is all public information.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 19:25:19
But of course. Thank you. I didn't think first message went thru. Again, IMO house should never have been approved. Isn't there wetland below the house too? I'll bet they fertilize the property and all that fertilizer will go underground and right into the ground water and the wetland. WIWWP?.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 17:37:31
The trees are directly between his house and his view of the Atlantic Ocean. Duh!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 17:11:17
Does anyone know where the 8th hold, and girded trees are relative to the house on the slope of the golf course? I just read about the trees in the Chronicle weekend update.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 16:31:24
Having just read the Chronicle's weekend update, does anyone know where the eighth hole is relative to the house is overlooking the golf course? I recall watching the last house being built and thinking it would slide down the hill onto the golf course. Now girded trees? House should never been approved IMO. I'm not a golfer. Is the 8th hole below that monstrous house on the hill?
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 07/23/2017 - 15:15:22
By the way, the most heartening sounds I have heard is the Bobwhites call in Race Point last Thursday night, and a similar call or sighting reported at Fort Hill in Eastham. These birds are totally threatened due to loss of open space habitat. I hope their extinction doesn't happen during my lifetime. Very cool, birds!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 18:13:44
The local Eastham rabbits have figured out that if they forage in the daylight, the coyotes and foxes won't bother them. Chipmunks? Who can catch them? And when do they sleep, if ever? Hyper critters for sure. Standing by, watching the ever changing turn of natural events. Skunks are up next. Then Great horned owls. Lucky to live long enough to see the change in predators vs their supper.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 18:04:29
Also bountiful clover and chipmunks.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 17:03:48
I don't recall seeing any better hydrangeas than this year. Stunning color and bountiful.
Carl Olson
USA - Sat 07/22/2017 - 12:38:31
Classic case of bullying! More to come, for sure!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Wed 07/19/2017 - 18:59:25
So...he doesn't like golf balls on his property? Maybe should not have built a monster house that takes so much of his land that it bothers him. Maybe town should erect one of those fifty foot high netting fences like they have around driving ranges? Fair trade: no golf balls -for- obstructed view!
J. Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham , MA USA - Wed 07/19/2017 - 10:00:11
Rereading Emily's first post about the historic golf course and the property owner continues to confound me. What part of "there's a golf course right next to you" was not clear? The sheer audacity to ask the committee to "MOVE the 8TH HOLE"?!?! At what point will Chatham stand up to bullies and say enough? Can't believe I'm saying this but if it takes fighting back lawyer-to-lawyer, spin-to-spin, loophole-to-loophole, figure out a way to do it now...or lose everything that is Chatham. ***sigh*** Thanks for listening...
Melissa
USA - Wed 07/19/2017 - 08:50:50
Got golf balls on your adjacent property? Either put up a fence or sell the errant balls back to the losers who cant shoot straight.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 18:00:19
The Golf Advisory Committee will meet this Thursday at 3 pm at the Town Offices, main floor small meeting room. Cory Metters and Dan Tobin need to bring this issue to the BOS. It may already be too late, but fines should be levied. Let's show them how strongly we feel about this abuse from a new home owner!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 15:58:23
Well put, Emily!
Crayton Nickerson
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 13:46:34
Next to a golf course...expect golf balls.
Next to an airport...expect airplanes and their related business.
On the shore...expect water.
On built-up land...expect settling.
Yes, buyer beware and as mere mortals, expect to make mistakes from time to time. IMHO

Melissa
USA - Tue 07/18/2017 - 08:50:25
Captain Dave Ryder often said the Town of Chatham was going to the dogs. Referring to how many people had dogs that didn't serve any useful purpose, like hunting rabbits, retrieving shot fowl, etc.
I wonder how he would think of the mega mansions that have replaced reasonable homes along the shores of Chatham.
He had the best life: driving to the Fish Pier in the early morning, no cars on the road, getting underway before sunrise, fishing all day, and returning to his modest home off Old Harbor Road in the late afternoon. Get his slip of paper totaling his catch, drive up Bar Cliff Avenue past the house where he was born, two left turns, that was it. No wonder he lived so long.
Oh, by the way, until his mother Reb was in her mid nineties, he'd drop of a filetted fish for her every week. Next door to where he was born.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 19:56:08
When those properties came before the planning board several years ago there were concerns about the mounding of soil so to raise one property nearest Seaview St. It created an ocean view. Then there were concerns expressed by some about the erosion taking place at the end of Fairview into wetland near the golf coarse. It could easily be seen on Bay Rd. Now there's a house on that "slippery slope". I wonder if this is owned by the person who is complaining. The planning board records could be helpful regarding who owns what.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 17:05:55
Here is a change of thread: 4 oak trees on Seaside Links Town owned golf course have been intentionally damaged enough to kill them. It is obvious that their removal would improve the Ocean view of the huge new house at the end of Fairway Drive. This abutter has also asked the Golf Advisory Committee to MOVE THE 8th HOLE because he doesn't like getting golf balls on his fenced property! The Town must determine exactly what is golf course property by survey, or face future encroachments by abutters. The golf course has been there since 1895......buyer beware!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 16:01:27
Cocktail parties are not a good place for factual information. Ms. Love is not leaving the BOS.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Mon 07/17/2017 - 11:03:50
Cocktail party rumor this afternoon: Amanda Love is going to forego her seat as a Selectman to open the way for a special election which Seth Taylor expects to win. Idle gossip?
InsideChatham <ChathamInside@gmail.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/16/2017 - 17:13:36
Has anyone bought and/or read the new book: "Historic Restaurants of Cape Cod"
Two restaurants were selected by the author, the Christopher Ryder House and
our former Northport Restaurant??

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 07/16/2017 - 15:20:11
Is there still a Miss Rogers who is in this chat room? She used to participate in the old chat room. Family of the Stage Harbor Rd Rogers Family.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/15/2017 - 16:22:15
Alan, IIRC, only 6 on board were MARSOC plus their corpsman. The rest were crew and straphangers.

The Marines refused to adopt the program for years. Only after exhausting the force during the current wars and SOCOM offering to take them under their wing with exchange programs did the Marine Brass relent.

They are playing a very active role in the wars around the world at present and have been a very welcome relief to Special Forces; SEALs; Rangers and the Tier One guys who are about worn out. They are great troops and interoperate very well. One thing the last 17 years of war has taught us is to spread the TTP's (tactics, techniques and procedures) within the SOF community amongst others.

Without injecting politics into this thread, I hope the current administration will get us out of many of the arguable engagements we are in around the world at present. Since the Clintons and Madelain Albright, we have been way too adventurous about the world. Time to bring our kids home and build the home fires.

We have a generation of warriors who have known nothing but war. This won't bode well.

JimP
USA - Fri 07/14/2017 - 18:01:33
Jim P:
I understand what you say and I too have a difficult time with indifference.
Please know and perhaps explain to friends that the crew on board the "HERC," call sign "Yankee 72" were also elite, the best that the Marines have to offer. Everyday, they faced incredible tasks with extreme danger and are assigned most demanding of all missions.

Their courage and commitment are rarely known. While most of the folks you describe are running from the fire, these guys are the type that run to it for sure; they ask for nothing in return. Imagine, 99.5% of the population never even heard of MARSOC.

Alleluia Alleluia, Alleluia
Godbless the crew and their families.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 07/13/2017 - 20:03:34
Alan, Chatham has some Patriots to be sure - even a lot of the townspeople have served. Some of the "Wellesley swells" who summer there have been a bit "indifferent towards service folks". I've never had a problem with the locals....wish I could say otherwise with many of the visitors who seem to think us service folk are vermin merely fit to serve and be kept out of polite company.

My heart breaks for those warriors. But...guys (and girls) are dying every day; it just doesn't have the term "Russia" in it so the media isn't interested.

JimP
USA - Thu 07/13/2017 - 18:58:13
The last 2 posts go directly to the point: When you See something-Say something. One need only to look at Judith's letter to the editor directing its attention to folks who block emergency vehicles.

Chatham's Freedom and everyone else's Liberty was affected yesterday when the 2nd Marine Raider Battalion C130T ship went down in Miss. The loss of this crew impacts all of us, no matter where you choose to live. This Marine Special Ops crew (MARSOC) were on their way to one last Special Training before Deploying, you can be sure, to one very difficult hot spot, war zone.

Perhaps when you are enjoying the beautiful Chatham summer, you can find it in your hearts to say a prayer for the this crew

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 07/12/2017 - 20:06:03
This kind of behavior is death defying, and perhaps natural selection at work. Especially if these folks deem it imperative to ride on Route 28 between Chatham and Orleans.

Why do the Spandex guys think this is OK? Yes, they have the right.

Like, I have the right to row across the Atlantic .Should I be there? Absolutely not.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 07/11/2017 - 19:44:44
We saw something today which was quite scary. A young girl riding a bicycle on a main road and texting at the same time. An accident waiting to happen. So sad.
cape cod alice
chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 21:15:30
Amazing, if anyone gets the MLB network, guess who's on-Chatham A's-now. The movie, when they're on the Diamond-has Kurt Goudy doing the announcing.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 21:13:54
Monomoy Yacht Club had an historic event today! 7 boats from Oyster Pond and Stage Harbor met at buoy 10 and mustered up, through the April's Fool Cut to join up with the Pleasant Bay group and proceed to Meetinghouse Pond for a raft-up and lunch. FOURTEEN boats !! WOW ! Jim Doggart, my Captain was outstanding, and we all survived and had a great time.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 18:42:16
Gordon:
Took your advise and using your info, the $20,000 is provided after the tour of duty is completed, of course provided that you meet the CS career requirements thru your duty. The site I looked at, did not call out the fact that after you complete CS training, you received the funds. If there was some update to this, over the past week, I must have missed it.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 17:17:00
Richard.. My info... Go to Coast Guard Culinary Specialist (CS)
Gordon Pratt
USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 09:12:28
Alan, my info came from two sources: the first was the Dad of a young man entering the CG in September. He is guaranteed the Cook school and will get his $$ when he successfully finishes the school. The second was an active duty Boatswains Mate Third Class who verified what I relayed earlier. And yes, the bonus can go as high as $40,000.
Unless things have changed, if you get out after 4 years, you aren't eligible for VA benefits unless you have a service connected injury or condition.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/10/2017 - 09:01:57
Gentlemen:
With all these bonus funds floating around, you make it sound like the US Coast Guard has suddenly become Santa Claus. While the offer(s) could be interesting, one needs to fully understand what they are getting into and be guided by all the details, including the fine print. A few for instances, the way I read "the contract" you do not receive a dime, until you complete your full tour of duty-4 years. Of course along with this, you must successfully complete basic training and your tech school. If you are selected for the program and you drop out of tech school or select other career training, the deal is off.

Of course the other major issue, is VA Benefits? Do you have to go to a war zone to obtain them or is it the case that benefits are automatically extended to you for time served no matter your location? What are the current benefits and/or is the $20,000 or whatever provided in leu of Benefits?

The CG is a great organization, but know the whole story.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 22:47:22
I'm trying to hire a couple men with strong arms for a day of labor in a couple weeks. Pay will be good. Unfortunately, it is only one day. 508-945-1980.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 22:12:11
Maybe Bruce should apply, Richard.
Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 21:22:17
Richard, I had to check with the USCG latest news and if you have an associate degree you will receive not $20,000 bonus to sign on but you will receive a $40,000 bonus.. Way to go Coast Guard.. Great stuff..
Gordon Pratt
USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 19:28:22
This is for you grandparents who might have grandkids looking for a career:
The US Coast guard is actively recruiting men and women to become Cooks and Chefs.
They are paying enlistment bonuses starting at $20,000. Can you believe it?
Suggest if you have any grandkids who just might meet the requirements, then they should consider the USCG as a career.
LCDR USN retired

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/09/2017 - 17:55:46
Thank you for the intell on the salt!
I have been fortunate to spend weeks at The Point House next to Scatteree landing, and the flavor in the salt from there brings me right back. Especially during the short days of winter.
To all on this board: thank you for sharing your town!
Chatham Mass is a special place!

Nathan <Brooklynheightsfarm@gmail.com>
VisitingChatham, MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 20:58:39
If three more cars drive to Chatham today we are going to sink.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 17:43:34
Nathan, the salt stand has moved to the other corner of Hallet Ln. In front of the white house. It was there and stocked this morning.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 15:04:45
To change the subject, here is another sign message to give everyone a chuckle.
"Waffles are just pancakes with abs."

Anna <capecodwood@comcast.net>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 10:26:43
Capeabilities, corner of Main St. & Hallett Lane sells it.......lovely to see the mighty Catalpa trees in full bloom, all 75 of them!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 09:28:15
Hello !
Would anyone be able to tell me if Monomoit Wild Sea salt is still available from the streetside stand in the Old Village?
I thought I remembered it at Water St & Hallet Ln., but it looks different there now.
Thank you!

Nathan <Brooklynheightsfarm@gmail.com>
VisitingChatham, MA USA - Fri 07/07/2017 - 07:13:05
Looking at photos of the Navy ship, it is not clear to me the ship was hit 22 degrees abaft the starboard running light. Aren't those lights normally high up, near the bridge? That is where the major above water damage occurred, so I can't pick out the position of the light.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 07/06/2017 - 10:13:23
Being July 4th, I wasn't so much following the loud noises as I was thinking about the USS Fitzgerald and the crew that died. And surely some careers will take a sudden end. But in defense of her crew, indeed the container ship Crystal reportedly hit the Fitzgerald abath the 90 degree red and green lights, actually 22 degrees behind the 90 degrees which made the Fitzgerald the Stand on vessel (making her obligated to maintain her speed and course). She can and should have taken evasive action herself. Hence, just because you are hit on the starboard side, does not make you the blame of the incident, in fact the overtaking container ship should have avoided the Fitz.

Also, the USS Fitzgerald is a Super Stealthy ship painted with radar absorbing materials making her very difficult for radars to detect her. This means she has her own situational awareness and must plot her own solutions.

I think it is standard practice for crews to know CPA's (closest point of Approach), but when they become CBDR (Constant Bearing Decreasing Range), it becomes a increasing scary situation. With all the crew on the bridge and around the boat, I still wonder why the Fitzgerald crew did not see the Crystal?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 07/05/2017 - 21:08:38
Loud and clear on Uncle Albert's
Tony
USA - Wed 07/05/2017 - 20:53:13
Stage Harbor Road slept through it - probably because I took the hearing aids out the night before.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 15:57:24
Great Hill heard it!
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 14:26:03
Woke us up in Coronado
ben h
USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 13:51:07
Oyster Pond heard it!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 06:46:44
Happy 4th.everybody!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 07/04/2017 - 02:56:55
Emily, 6 a.m.!!
Barry
USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 20:59:25
Barry, that kind of range is very impressive. The 160 lb. Lyle gun range was somewhat over 500 yards but it shot an 18 lb projectile and of course the attached shot line limited the travel. It was used officially for the last time in 1962 at Herring Cove Beach in Provincetown. Bernie Webber was the man who got it done, saving men from the Margaret Rose..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 17:30:15
What time tomorrow? I am up at 5.....windows open, hope to hear it!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 17:12:59
Dick, my cannon shoots a 1 lb. lead slug, over 1 mile. I know this because from North Beach to where Bill Sharkey's lobster pot line was, exactly a mile from the beach, and we saw the splash beyond that. It took 7 seconds to hit.
Barry
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 15:53:13
Ben H. I have been doing this here for 50 years. I use to do it with the things you were talking about such as paper wadding which catches fire sometimes. Mine has no wheels. It's my own version of a Cohorn mortar. I made it out of a 3 inch Caterpillar bulldozer lift arm pin. It's 13 inches long with a 1 1/4 in. bore. Unlike Dick Ryders Lyle gun, I load mine with a 1/3 of a lb. black powder and 4 cardboard wads, and pointed straight up when firing, as it will travel 10 ft. backwards!!! It's loud, and now we're right behind the police station.
Barry
USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 15:48:43
You folks and your cannon firing stories bring back fond memories of my husband's old starting cannon which he faithfully fired on July 4th each year. The whole process of stuffing the wadding and black powder was cool to watch and then.....KABOOM!!!!! Kids from far and wide would come running over to our yard for the remainder of the "show". Sadly, on our way to visit son David (stationed in Mobile, AL) for Christmas and to present him with the cannon, our car was broken into at a motel in Baltimore. The cannon, along with all our other gifts, were stolen. I have really never gotten over it. Happy 4th everyone!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 07/03/2017 - 11:00:25
Yes, Barry is standing by to touch off his cannon on July 4th, 0600. Tradition! If you want to see a 160 lb bronze Lyle gun cannon shot off, then show up at the Old Harbor Station at Race Point, Provincetown, where we reenact the U.S.Life Saving-Service Breeches Buoy Drill every Thursday night in July and August at 6 PM.
Barry, 1 and 1/2 oz of black powder is our charge. The 18 lb projectile goes 150 yards. Very popular show over the last 35 + years.
Your show has probably been running longer.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 07/02/2017 - 17:38:23
Hey Barry and Sylvia - this is for you

Place the Cannon in a safe area, pointed in a safe direction, and light the fuse. Make sure NO ONE is in front of the Cannon, and
plan your firing position to allow the Cannon to recoil and roll backwards.........They roll pretty fast and far on any kind of pavement, so plan ahead.

Oh, Its a Good Idea to have a leaf rake handy, and a "Designated Raker" to quickly rake up all the shredded newspaper, while you scoop up the Cannon, unused Fuse & Power, and run for cover, before the neighbors regain their faculties and call the Cops!........Been there, done that!! LOL!!............... Its a real good Idea to include the neighbors in the fun, with a little training, you can sometimes get them to supply the Beer!

ben h
USA - Sat 07/01/2017 - 19:41:16
Let freedom ring!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 07/01/2017 - 11:02:47
Happy 4th of July to all on the Chat-M-Room.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 07/01/2017 - 09:20:07
Is that why it took me 1&1/2 hours to get to the Bridge yesterday afternoon!
Benjamin T. Nickerson <btnick2002@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/30/2017 - 05:33:18
I think they should not use the "trustees" from the correctional institute to pick up trash on the mid cape and other highways with a vehicle flashing blue lights and forcing cars to one left hand lane and ofter a state police cruiser to assist on the Thursday before the Fourth of July weekend. Traffic is bad enough without the SOB's.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 06/29/2017 - 22:09:17
Gordon:
I think the Coast Guard kids (MK's) are doing a similar thing at Station Chatham. Analyzing the lube oil daily for the 42 footers they have. Twin 500 hp Cats that drive the water jets. Unfortunately, the jet drives don't like eel grass or sand. That is why the "new" 24 foot shallow water boat (from the recently back to normal Lake Tahoe) is so needed for Pleasant Bay and surrounding shallow water.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/25/2017 - 19:32:03
Emily and Gordon, I also was in Vietnam in 1970 and flew out of Ton Son Nhut airfield a number of times.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/24/2017 - 08:10:46
Richard Ryder.... Correction if I may.. I was 1 of 12 ground crew members assigned to AF1 for 12 and 1/2 years of my 20 year career as an FAA certified A & P Technician.. S.O.A.P. stands for ( Spectrometric Oil Analysis Program )
Gordon PRATT
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 21:53:31
A few days back I was wondering how the M/V Iyanough could have been so far off course and what happened? But now see that the USS Fitzgerald could be a far more reaching story and the "Hyannis Story" something proportionaly super minor, considering the NTSB dropped the subject.

No one seems to be disclosing the ultimate destination of the ACX Crystal. And this story about the time of the incident? And how could a Navy destroyer in this day in age, not able to see the Crystal? An unofficial comment-"the USS Fitzgerald had the kind of radar that could detect a flapping fish in the water from 5 miles out." Outside investigative officials suggesting that the Fitzgerald, could it have been dead in the water? What about the circling back of Crystal, 39.5 MT ship that can travel at 15.8 knts? Could the Crystal actually trying to hit the Fitzgerald? Could it have been a case that the OD and all the ships Navigational aids/personnel were neutralized- seems very far out there? Even if a jamming effort were conducted, based on your own accounts, how could this happen?

And the men that died, did they die instantly or were they left behind due to hatches being closed down in order to save the ship? Whatever the case, may their souls rest in peace.

I hope there is nothing out of the ordinary that happened here, but whole incident has been rather weirdly handled news releases.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 21:23:54
Ahh the Aussie navy pilots and officers clubs (as in any bar or officers club) were made for one another - "Wherefore art thou, Moriarty" was a favorite game for the uninitated - the Aussie Commanding Officer would lie face down on the floor with a rolled up newspaper in his right hand while the USN Commanding Officer assumed the same position opposite also with a rolled up newspaper - Both would then be blindfolded and with both squadrons cheering and many side bets (the Aussies loved to bet) the Admiral who was referee said "Let the games begin" - the USN CO would then say "Wherefore Art Thou Moriarty" and the Aussie CO would answer "Here, Sir" - Based only upon where he thought the location of his voice (because he was blindfolded), the USN CO got to take a tremendous swat with the newspaper but of course missed (see following for reason) - then it was the Aussie CO's's turn - Well the Aussies had bribed the Admiral so their CO took off his blindfold which made the USN CO "easy pickings" - He was whacked viciously several times with that rolled up newspaper before he finally figured out he had been duped - two of those crazy aussies were in my wedding in Middlebury Vermont and managed to get in the belfry and ring the town bell at midnight which almost caused an international incident - we also trained the Canadian navy pilots who tried hard but couldn't measure up to those aussies
Ben H
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:50:36
forgot to add - doors locked open and we were only fastened in with a lanyard. Great fun.
JimP
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:25:37
OK - best Chopper story I have is this: during the haitian invasion, me, the Group XO and a medic had to fly up north from Port Au Prince to look into an issue. We load the chopper up - piloted by two junior warrants from one of the conventional units (10th Mountain): WO 1's if I recall. We're flying along the Arto-Bonite valley up by St Mark (some of the most beautiful landscape in the world) when one of the pilots flips a switch and all of a sudden we get the Rolling Stones screaming in our headsets. The pilots had been listening to them while flying. They got all sheepish and started apologizing profusely when the XO told them to shut up and "Rock the Tunes". The pilots looked at each other, grinned and asked if we wanted to "take a ride" (they weren't used to flying special forces guys). The XO says "Hell YAH". They cranked the tunes, flipped that bird on its side and dove down a waterfall and skimmed the earth for about the next 45 minutes - nap of the earth; popping up over trees; diving into valleys; doing things I never thought a Blackhawk could do. We finished our flight up north and handled business (during which I walked into the Dominican Republic but that's another story). We came back pretty much the same way - crazy fun. The pilots made us promise that if we ever needed to fly anywhere that we'd specifically request them on the mission order; they had a lot of fun. Made us promise never to tell their unit what they'd done. Good guys. Probably 22 years old and having the time of their lives.
JimP
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 20:21:29
My helo ride was up to the mock Viet Cong Village behind two Aussi pilots with kangaroos on the back of their helmets. It was open.....both sides. and before I got myself strapped in.....wheeeeee...we were on a major tilt over the Mecong River.. Almost lost my camera.....remember....VIP stuff, during the war. How crazy was that?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 19:33:47
Gordon: Can you tell us what the acronym S.O.A.P stands for? I know that later you were the Crew Chief on Air Force One.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 18:14:42
Emily:
I had forgotten about the chandeliers. Gunship helo rides were eye opening.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 17:03:31
Small world Emily, I was in Ton Son Nhut in August 1970. I was receiving a 30 day update on how to manage the S.O.A.P. lab at Phu Cat air base..
Gordon PRATT
USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 16:35:40
In 1970 I had a cheeseburger and a glass of milk at the O Club at Ton Son Nhut. It was impressive with linen tablecloths, chandeliers, etc. I also had a tour of Gen. Westmorland's trailer. Huh? Well my husband Dick was working for Pan Am in the R & R program and was called back to DOD in DC I went to Saigon to visit friends and was given a VIP tour......gunship help ride, too!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/23/2017 - 11:09:34
Former AF here. I have to agree we had it pretty good. But I bet Jim and his buddy's never complained when an A-10 was over head.
Bll P <southchatham@hotmail.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 19:06:15
Ben, that's the thing that's tough for these kids to deal with the first time: one moment everyone is there and happy, a split second later a few are dead and/or maimed. No reason....no warning....it just "is". No goodbyes....just gone.
JimP
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 18:27:02
Lost all of his belongings and 7 shipmates
Ben H
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 17:44:55
Amazing Grace - no deaths, no injuries on the Muliphen collision.

I wa the mailman on the Muliphen and when we came into port I was the first one off ship because mail was such a morale booster. I felt badly for those who did receive any and worse for those who got "Dear John" letters. I drove the Captain's car to get the mail and the Marines at the gate saw the flags on the front fenders indicating the rank, they gave a very stiff and formal salute. When I came to a stop they were really pissed off that the had just saluted a Navy E4. No one ever inspected my leather sack and thus those 40 ounce glass jugs remained safe and eventually emptied on the fantail at sea.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 03:49:45
Found out via Facebook that a friend/former co-worker in FL has a nephew who was on the Fitzgerald and lost all his belongings due to flooding of berth. He's safe in Japan according to her.
J Hallgren (as User)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/22/2017 - 01:44:04
Jim P:
As a Mustang Navy guy, I can assure you that as an E-5 & 6 on the USS Intrepid, I always felt I knew my place. No rift, that was the way it was. The officers respected us, we respected them. Can i tell you that as an HM3/USN, I was engaged to a Navy Nurse, LTJG? That is another story. We did dine together on occasion. Just not so anyone knew about it.
As a LTJG visiting the O Club at Ton Son Nhut air base near Saigon, I was shocked that it was run by the Air Force, where they had waitresses, a printed menu, and floor shows. I learned then that the Air Force first builds the Officers Club, then the airfield. Okay, there are a lot of Officers in the USAF (pilots, you know)
But, wait. The troops at the MACV HQ in Saigon were lamenting the fact that they were only going to get ONE mail call that day.
Down in the Delta, we got mail maybe three times a week. The Army could only fly in certain weather conditions. Navy Seawolf Helos? Yes, they could fly in all conditions, as well as at night. They were supporting the nearby SEAL team.

LCDR, Medical Service Corps, USN, Retired

Pardon us military folks, but there aren't many places for us to share these stories.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 21:12:30
Ben, I find it fascinating. The cultural difference amongst the services is amazing. One of my good buddies I worked with was a Navy Captain and I used to razz him about the stuff they would relieve ship-drivers for: basically anything that goes wrong....keel touches sand? Relief. hanky-panky aboard ship? Relief. Collision? Relief.

A seriously no-defects attitude on navigation and they sure as heck don't mess around in placing blame.

We always eat with our troops, the Navy frowns upon officers eating with the "enlisted swine". That always causes a rift aboard ship.

But - I think we can all gang up on the Air Force. Their idea of "hardship" is waiting 20 minutes for room service!! (Sorry Gordon...had to say it). :)

JimP
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 20:11:44
Jim P must be getting tired of all this "squid" talk - just sayin
Ben H
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 20:04:01
Talked with a retired Navy officer last night who had been the OOD on Navy ships in the very same are of this recent collision. He said the area has a lot of shipping, but he and his watch standing crew took great pride in ensuring that a safe distance from all vessels was maintained.

There are plenty of Navy officers who will be ready to take the place of the Captain of the USS Fitzgerald.

The saying is, "A collision at sea can ruin your entire day". Aboard the USS Intrepid, we did collide with a tanker, but it was in fairly shallow water, we were being refueled, and there was s steering casualty. No lives are lost but the ship had to go in to dry dock for repairs to a sponson, which was ripped off during the collision..

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 17:21:19
At the inquest (review, investigation) Combat, which was radar, contacted the bridge with "1100 hundred yards to collision, 1000 yards to collision, 900 yards to collision..."The last the talker on the bridge communicated of the OOD was 1100 hundred yards. Perhaps if he had communicated all of them they could have backed down emergency full and we would not have the Greek tanker sitting in our bow. The Greek ship was found technically at fault but the Navy had no excuse for a collision at sea The captain was relieved of command and transferred to Washington, DC to "float a desk."
Partly because I was a yeoman I met and served hundred many officers over my four years but there ws none I enjoyed being with and respected more than Captain Thomas F. Saunders, Jr. USN You never forget.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 06/21/2017 - 12:11:18
There couldn't have been a lot of attention being paid by the USS Fitzgerald OOD, as the Navy ship was hit on the starboard side. This means that they were the "burdened vessel" in a crossing situation and should have turned or taken other evasive action to avoid a collision. Even a Third Class Boatswain's Mate in the Navy or Coast Guard knows that stuff.
Several years ago, up near Race Point, I had to turn the CG36500 sharply to port to avoid a collision, even though we had the Right of Way. A commercial 35' charter boat from P'town was crossing from left to right in front of us, not paying attention, no one steering. If we had hit his thin fiberglass hull with our ten ton boat, he and his passengers would have been swimming.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 09:55:05
Carl & Ben H,
I am not a mariner or even a recreational sailor and do not presume to know what kind of multi-tasking a ship's captain must handle. I do, however, work in ocean-going logistics and cannot comprehend how, with all the technology available nowadays AND trained personnel at specific posts, 2 enormous vessels can collide in the middle of a non-stormy open sea. I will be very interested to hear if human error is indeed at fault.

Melissa
USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 09:06:00
Bridge, Damage Control - ruptured fire main frame 41, flooding number one hold. The Captain has the helm and responds "Aye, Aye Olson" Bridge, Damage Control, "Request permission to throw damaged ammunition overboard, number one hold." The Captain quickly checks the charts and responds, "Permission denied." You could clearly see the Greek oil tanker sitting in the bow of our ship. The 40mm looked like a piece of broken spaghetti, The Captain and Exec boats like completely smashed plywood.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 06/20/2017 - 01:59:04
Richard,Carl,and all other Chatham mariners.
I stood many watches on an aircraft carrier under training as an OOD (Officer of the Deck) who is the individual responsible for safely navigating the ship when the Captain is off the bridge. An aircraft carrier can be equated to a loaded cargo ship in manueverability - practically none and with lots of weigh on (impossible to stop). I also stood OOD watches on a destroyer - highly manueverable. The plane guard destroyers during flight ops practically zip in and around aircraft carriers. The OOD and bridge watch team are trained to watch all other shipping visually or on radar and notify the Captain if the CPA (closest point of approach)of another vessel appears to be within a certain distance or if the vessel appears to be closing. With all that in mind, how could the Fitzgerald not have avoided the container ship?
As Carl points out, incredible heroics occur after a disaster at sea and as he stated those involved are just reacting by instinct to all the training they received. I am certain that crew saved the ship from sinking just as I am certain an incompetent Officer of the Deck allowed the collision to happen.What do you guys think?

Ben H
USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 21:41:42
USS Muliphen AKA 61 Attack Cargo Ship - clear the foc'sle, clear the foc'sle, colsion quarters, c
ision quarters and then it was repeated. We were in Roosevelt Rhodes after a pick and span dry docks in Boston. I had heard Man Overboard, Man Overboard this is a drill, this is a drill. Fire number three hatch, Fire number three hatch this is a drill this is a drill. And then the training kicked in - the loudspeaker did not say this is a drill. It was pay day and I was selling money orders in the post office. I slammed the door shut with singles, fives, ten, and twenties floating like feathers, locked the door and hutled as fast as I could to my duty station as the Captain's talker on the bridge.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 20:08:00
Glenn: If there were enough full time residents of Eastham that actually cared about the history, which our departed friend Noel Beyle so generously shared with everyone, then maybe there would be a group that would take on the job of getting the mill back in operation. If it (the windmill) is in the hands of the Eastham Selectmen, than I don't see anything changing.
Just like when the CG36500 was offered to Chatham back in 1980; "Nope, don't need it."

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 18:08:28
The Eastham Windmill used to grind souvenir corn but a fractured skull suffered decades ago by an unwary visitor after getting clocked in the head by the vanes put an end to that. Plus, as I understand it, the mill cap can't be rotated into the wind because the pole once used for that was repurposed as a replacement to the blade shaft.
Glenn S.
N. Eastham, MA USA - Mon 06/19/2017 - 11:33:19
As far as the M/V Iyanough ferry crunch goes, I suspect that someone gave the helmsman an order to come left, when the order should have been, come right.

What part of dyslexia could play a role in this scenario?

Or maybe my idea is not based in reality. However, It is either attributable to human error or a steering casualty.

Brother Captain Bob told me before you come in to the dock, check that reverse gear is functional. I still do that with the CG36500.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 20:02:01
Emily:
As a Chatham native, I am so pleased to know that the windmill actually is operatonal! Eastham millers, get up to speed!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 19:53:02
Nature gave the Godfrey Gristmill the gift of wind today! We ground several bags of corn, moved the cap several times, gave eager visitors bags of cornmeal to take home, and had a wonderfully successful day. Hooray!
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sun 06/18/2017 - 16:09:34
No longer a newsflash, but very surprised to have seen the M/V Iyanough hit the jetty in Hyannis. Authority operates with great teams. Do not understand how Capt. could have been so far off course into the Harbor. Coast Guard Chatham was one of the teams responsding, but heard seas were so bad, outgoing authority vessel to Nantucket returned back. It must have been a task, just to get to the scene for responders
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/17/2017 - 15:58:30
Civility, and clarity, returns!
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 20:25:30
Wishing the fathers in my family a heartfelt Father's Day! My late father David, my late husband Bob, son David, sons in law Matt and Dan and brothers John, Richard and Bob. So proud of all of you!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 18:30:04
Emily, see you at the Windmill!
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 16:00:50
Thanks Lisa for the nudge! I will be at the windmill to see Colonel Godfrey and listen to colonial music by Rev. Robinson.....corn muffins, too.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 13:27:50
This is history weekend. Go see Chatham in the military at the Atwood House. Watch Bob Ryder tap out a message for you at Marconi. Order an historic sign for your 100 year old house with Don Edge's help at the library from 11 to 1. Visit the depot or the windmill.
I'm going to the Caleb Nickerson house. It's all free.

Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 07:05:45
A belated thank you BobR for your welcome. Love being back in my hometown. Fortunately I missed the chastising and spat that occurred on these pages before mention of Mrs Crowell. I loved her also. When I has to write an essay on my application to Northfield, I was panicked. She was my monitor, noted my distress and reminded me of the relevance to the subject matter of a book we had studied. I had no trouble writing after that.Following her and my English professor godmother Elizabeth Reynard, I was an English teacher for 20 years before I switched to law.
Elizabeth Tuttle Edge
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 06/16/2017 - 06:53:16
Gordon, That just shows how compassionate she was. Thanks for sharing your personal story.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/14/2017 - 10:34:52
I would not have graduated with my class in 1949 if Mrs. Crowell had not given me a passing grade which I did not deserve.. She took me aside and said if I would play the Priest in the Play " GENE VALGENE " SP.. she would give me a passing grade !!!! And that's all I have to say about that......
Gordon PRATT
USA - Wed 06/14/2017 - 09:57:29
Must have been early training for the Navy, where we were all referred to by last name.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/13/2017 - 17:36:14
Remember how she addressed each one by his/her last name?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 06/13/2017 - 11:49:28
She was the most graceful and patient teacher I ever had. Including those at Stockbridge School at UMASS, the US Navy Pharmacy School, and Cornell University.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 19:26:20
Carl, None other than Mrs. Josephine Crowell, to whom I owe much.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 15:04:49
"And what is so rare as a day in June..." Makes me remember my Chatham high school English teacher. What was her name?
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 12:37:48
Judith, just so you know if you ever filled out a Chatham town census form your age is a matter of public record. I looked you up, you three years older than I am.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 06/11/2017 - 11:48:03
Happy Summer Everyone!!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 20:00:34
Too many good people like Emily, Nancy, Richard, and Dick feeling the need to defend themselves. You guys have done NOTHING wrong - you add to the room. I. for one, look forward to reading your posts and catching up on Chatham present and past. Judith, Alan, John I hear you - I'm all for moving on with Emily and the Tangle Man into the summer season.
Ben H
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 19:32:30
Emily: Your post wasn't considered unfriendly or offensive to me but given the timing of it, and in context with other surrounding posts, could be seen as such by some, which was unfortunate. So I certainly want you to stay here and contribute because your posts are welcome by me and that's really the key, ok? And just so you know: I thought it had been mentioned previously but Alsn currently lives in NJ but has spent lots of time in/around Chatham and thus his interest in my forum.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 19:15:30
This may be my last entey ever....because newcomer or old-timer, my most friendly question has always been....where do you live? No offense ever meant. Let's move on.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 18:57:01
I don't consider my latest entry re the "fog index" to be disrespectful. There is such a thing that writers can use to ensure clarity, and Alan was aware of it back before I first brought it up.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 16:53:52
I guess I can't say WHO, but a couple of recent responders about A.W. are way out in LEFT field, if you get my drift.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 16:37:42
I don't know how old any of the chatroom contributors are and I doubt any of you know how old I am. Old enough! But I suspect given his writing and experiences, that Alan is older than I am. When I have seen mean-spirited intolerance in this room, I've thought of my dad, and how upset I would be if people treated him disrespectfully because he might not always have made perfect sense to them. Everyone who knew him respected his brilliance and accomplishments. I don't think any of us personally know Alan or have even spoken with him with the exception of John. Alan is owed an apology. You know who you are.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 14:53:20
Alan: I agree that you haven't done any obvious 'bait' posts but as to rambling, I would say your mention of a cockpit shooting years ago to be a perfect example of that as it has NO connection to current topic or Chatham, ok?

Nancy: You're definitely one of the most senior members of this site but I would disagree on the use of "holier than thou" as I view it rather as posts made by a person with lots of scientific background, who's also got aviation knowledge and literary and music interests and maybe a tendency to write a bit more technically or detailed or off-topic than really needed here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 12:13:00
Whoa, I hope we can slow this stage coach down. Just a short note. First, the term bait, I never ever had any awareness of this and what some think I do.

Second,I very much appreciate any support that has come my way, however in a humble way, I am able to defend myself (on a website or otherwise)

When you see something, say something and Chatham could use a bit more of this. This kind of action first came to mind in 1973, when this guy I knew was very young and new to avaition. A company crew was shot in a DC-9 30 cockpit at Baltimore Airport' Call in rambling or what ever, but light was turned on long before the phase.

Judith, you way out on the limb for me and I thank you. John, you as well.
However Judith, I know that you are of the same mind and I trust your thinking and understanding of matters.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 11:22:18
John, I think you know me by now since I have been on this site since its inception and have never meant any harm to anyone, including Alan. It is just his "holier than thou" attitude which got to me. I still love fog......amen.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 11:06:31
Nancy, Dick, Ben, etal: I think John Hallgren has made his feelings known and should be respected. He "owns" the room, yet some of you seem to think this is a place only meant for people who grew up together to reminisce about days gone past. You are wrong.

Intolerance and lack of courtesy to someone you do not know, is really disgraceful in my opinion. I don't know many of the people in this room, and why they behave as they do. The attitudes and name calling from some are curious at best. The "natives" vs. wash-ashores position is an extremely narrow attitude. Most of the volunteers and elected officials in the town of Chatham were not born there. And there are people who were not born in Chatham who know much more about the history of the place than some natives. Think about it.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 09:01:50
I have nick named him The Tangle Man and I enjoy the time I spend trying to untangle what he says.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 08:35:19
Ben H: I attempt to treat everyone here the same, even those who criticize me, (but have/will give slight preference to those whom I have met/spoken to compared to unknown ones) and take many factors into consideration as to how to handle a situation. Alan is NOT a "teachers pet" but I will defend his postings when I feel he is being unfairly attacked, ok?

We will probably disagree on a number of things but I found none of Alan's recent postings "bizarre, rambling" when compared to some others here. He's stayed on topic much more than before and his replies to comments on him were quite mild and restrained given how he was 'picked on'. I don't see his posts as "bait" either, when compared to what I see elsewhere. If you/others think they are, then why are folks responding to them, and in such a hostile-to-outsiders manner? When I get email from a true LOCAL supporting Alan, then i know I'm right in my approach.

Yes, some of his posts may be a bit wordy occasionally but have improved after our phone conversation. His background/career as a chemical engineer and a private pilot really needs to be considered when you read them. That helped me understand why he's posted some of what he did the way he did.

Honestly, I've also had some negative feedback from others regarding some of your prior posts but since you don't want to respond to me PRIVATELY as I have requested more than once, given your current post, I feel it's time to mention it publicly. I do still want you as a poster here but some of your criticisms on my ways of doing things have been a bit much.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 03:57:45
John your post is unfair at the very least - I have a better understanding for Alan now but consider this - Alan likes to practice both his literary and social skills by using this room (your room if you will) - His method is to treat this forum as a group therapy session and make bizarre, rambling statements designed to "bait" others in the group - When good people react and chastise him as they should, Alan always goes "See, I told you so" or "Your response shows you lack character" - He obviously enjoys it because he periodically returns to do it again - Meantime bleeding heart Judith surfaces in his defense and you as moderator chime in to treat Alan as the "teachers pet" just like grammar school all over again - I applaud Nancy and the others - Alan got what he wanted and asked for so he'll be back especially with you holding his hand - Meantime, how about you let the room get back on the roll it was on before he shows up again
and he will - When you say you found "NOTHING wrong" with his posts, you completely overlook the way he baits people and then acts in a superior fashion with his responses pointing out his knowledge of the fog index or aviation all in a rambling flower power way - this room should not be group therapy for Alan Wirsul, join us and contribute in a friendly way and we could care less where you live - Nancy, Richard, Dick, Emily despite John's statement many of us are strongly behind you and we get what you are saying

Ben H
USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 03:19:54
Alan Wisrul: I really hope that you'll continue to post here. I found NOTHING at all wrong with any of your recent posts and NOTHING that deserved the negative comments you have received. And I will be deleting at least one of those posts a bit later. From our phone call a while back, which gave me a better understanding of your background and maybe why you write as you do, I think you are now being treated unfairly by some of the others here, and that's NOT ok with me.

Others: I received an email Friday eve from one of the regulars here who is a LOCAL and in part, wrote this:
"Very disrespectful posts from Nancy Ryder Petrus, her brother and Dick Fulcher

Several people have emailed me about how nasty they are to Mr. Wirsal".
Remember that one doesn't need to live in Chatham most of their life to post here. This is open to ALL, including those who may live elsewhere but who have visited/stayed here, so it's not a closed private group on Facebook, ok?

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
S Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/10/2017 - 02:28:01
I won't say more, other than to say-a demonstration of Character
Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 06/09/2017 - 23:59:12
Judith, Do you really want his nut case to continue posting?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 06/09/2017 - 20:07:11
And the friendliness keeps on coming.

Richard: Indeed I have full recognition of your Fog index and merely chose purposely to igor it. I not into suggested imposed means of writing.

Mr. Fulcher: You have already distingished yourself. My only question for you is that if I came to you for help, would you turn on me?

Ms. Cunningham is it? I was unaware that you had to establish demarcaton lines. Hence following of your question to that of Richard or Mr. Fulcher and you are in some vein search of where I live- Please note that to my understanding this is not necessary to contribute here.

I am not into appresive postures, but the inspiration of trying to do good.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 20:03:27
Alan, where do you live in Chatham?
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 18:52:21
Interesting that months ago I asked Alan if he knew of the "Fog index", which referred to the complexity of sentences. Like his.
Now we are back talking about real fog, Chatham type fog, marine fog for sure that doesn't burn off by noon.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 17:36:26
Alan, please don't let the unfriendly tone of some contributors discourage you from participating.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 16:27:21
Here we go again, with Alan.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 16:11:56
Indeed I do not know as much about Chatham as the natives, but I am finding out about the Ryder Nation of folks and the "friendly culture" that is extended to oursiders.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 11:26:36
Alan, A dear friend just mentioned to me that you seem to know more about Chatham than the rest of us natives, so could we please end this discussion?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 10:25:32
Fishermen that knew how to navigate without LORAN, RADAR, GPS, RDF etc., had a lot less competition during "Thicka Fog" events. I have never been referred to as a land fog lover. 8K days plus at sea and still counting.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/08/2017 - 08:40:11
Good Evening Nancy:
I bet these family members have some stories to tell about fog. The key word for me is "concern." You probably are aware of this already, there are actually 6 major types of fog known to the weather guys. When you get the chance, you might ask your son about "Marine Fog"-its usually very thick, long lasting and yes can be found in Chatham. My guess (since I have not had the privilage of enjoying Chatham every day) you probably see more ground/radiation fog.

Concern means to me, that I become more acutely aware of the surrounding and the tools at hand, that might be available to guide me thru., as life could be a changing.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 22:47:41
Alan, Bob Ryder was a fisherman and our father a fisherman for 56 years out of Chatham Harbor. My son is a captain with Southwest Airlines. We know about fog........we still like it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 20:36:30
Rarely have been too cold, but most times too hot. like In Guantanamo, in VA, in Boston, in Memphis for sure, in Vietnam, even in Eastham, when Chathamites are cool it can be hot in Eastham
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 19:26:12
Looks like a few weather watchers around. Temp. wise, I always saw July 18 a key date on the cape-Chatham or where ever. A couple of days before this date and 6-8 days afterwards, I always observed some very good weather with great temps. However when temp and dew point come between 3 degrees of each other, I always had concern. All you land Fog lovers would see it differently if you were outside the Chatham Channel on a boat or for that matter in the air over Chatham or Hyannis.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 19:23:31
I DO love the fog!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 14:50:22
Fiftyfive degrees and thick fog year-round would satisfy me.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 06/07/2017 - 12:42:37
Yes, John, I remember that cold 4th of July. We were celebrating at our camp on North Beach but it was so cold we were all in long pants and sweatshirts. Every now and then we do get a cold and rainy summer to totally discourage our paying tourists. Hope this is not one of them.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 19:26:29
How I missed Chatham when I worked at Hendrie's Ice Cream Factory in Milton in the summer of 1958.!
Eight dollars a week for a rented room, with shared bath. No fan, wicked hot .No car. Chinese laundry down the street washed what few shirts I owned. Don't remember about any other garments.
I have progressed way beyond being too warm in the summer, and too cold in the winter.

Hendrie's at the time made all the ice cream for Stop and Shop. Their policy was eat all you want. That lasted about two weeks. After that, I just sampled infrequently.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 18:26:16
I remember a summer (1961?) when the sun never shone until one day today n August. Art Gould dropped the whole family at North Beach for the day........and the fog rolled over North Beaxh, while the church steeples were bathed in bright sunshine. The ultimate irony.
Emily Cunningham <dayonown@yahoo.com>
Chatham , MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 11:46:58
Mornings were cool and the dew was stuck in the screens as the sun came up. The day was warm but not hot and after swimming, a sun-warmed towel was welcome. (On rainy days, Oyster Pond swimming lessons felt like shivering torture!!) My favorite time was right around 6PM when you would find your soft, comfy sweatshirt and put it on as the fog and chill rolled in. My wonderful Chatham......
Melissa
USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 09:59:45
Cold Summers! Yes they have always been cold. One Summer day in the mid 60s McBride the cop stopped me and said I was dressed improperly. He assumed I had nothing on under my CPO jacket- I had the wool jacket over my bathing suit.
Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Tue 06/06/2017 - 07:46:47
Does anyone remember the summer-at least 20-25 years ago when even the 4th of July was cold. I can remember wearing a coat to the parade. The summer did have some warm days, but almost no real beach days.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 06/05/2017 - 19:16:03
Remember today from 2-4:30 at DelMar is the Tim Roper celebration of life as published in obit.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Sat 06/03/2017 - 08:38:14
The new boat at Coast Guard Chatham looks to be better suited for rescues in Pleasant Bay and Nantucket Sound than the 42 footers currently employed in Chatham. This is due to the fact that the 42 footers are prone to suck up sand and eelgrass in shallow waters.
The crew is excited about the boat and it's shallow water capabilities. The boat came from Lake Tahoe.
There are two presently on the grounds of Station Chatham, but one will soon be going to another station nearby.
All boats have their limitations.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 19:55:54
Or the Ospreys have obtained a gag order regarding further details on the location of their nest??? ;-)
Melissa
USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 14:41:30
Yes, because is it the case that everyone is going to see the Nest?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 12:56:35
Nothing shuts down a chat room like an osprey nest.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 06/01/2017 - 10:55:35
HAs anyone seen the osprey nest at Veterans field?
Karhleen
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/30/2017 - 09:45:11
Interesting to note that a Memorial Service was held on the USS Intrepid today, the very same ship that my fellow Corpsman and close friend, HM3 Richard Gauthier, died while trying to save his shipmates. He was awarded posthumously the Navy and Marine Corps Medal. There is a seat in his memory on the Intrepid.

Another Richard friend, Col Richard Ellison, Province Senior Adviser, Kien Giang Province, was killed going down a canal in the daylight which I occasionally traversed in Vietnam. His name is on the wall in DC.
After so many years, their memories are still uppermost in my thoughts, especially on Memorial Day.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 18:02:31
Amazing as it may seem, today would have marked the 100 birthday of John F. Kennedy. No President since has matched the distinctive quality of his body politic style. Was he remembered today at the Chatham Memorial Day events?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 13:55:31
And to the families of those fallen heroes as well.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 13:20:01
Never forget those who sacrificed for our freedom.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 05/29/2017 - 11:04:55
Second to BobR
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/26/2017 - 23:19:28
Welcome home, E and D. Nice to see the flag flying at your home.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/26/2017 - 17:25:21
When I worked at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop, (later the Frog Pond) across from the Ebb Tide Motel, one job I had was to turn men's trouser pockets inside out and brush them with a small brush. To remove pocket lint, etc. I suppose. Bishop's pants were notably short, and fishy. And bare of any bills or coins.
He was known to the fishermen as "Bishop."
But wasn't his first name Stanley?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 05/24/2017 - 20:02:35
Charlotte. Daughter of Howard & Margaret Bishop

(But Jim Dempsey, who mentioned him, isn't related to Ralph.)

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 18:32:26
Carl - I don't think we've met either, though I've very much enjoyed your contributions here on this board. I think you misinterpreted what I said -- my Dad hired Ralph Macdonald to build our house in West Chatham, back in 1958. I think you were talking about Ralph himself who I remember from when I was a kid and seemed to be a very nice guy. My Dad was pleased with the quality of the house he built for us, and I still own it to this day.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 14:25:43
Carl, Wasn't Bishop's daughter married to Ralph MacDonald?
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 13:25:49
James Dempsey - I don't think I know you but I do remember your Dad being a fine builder and building those motels. Is there any chance that he was married to Bishop's (5K in hundred roll in his right hand pocket) the fish dealer's daughter - perhaps her name might have been Constance? or Connie? Very beautiful lady.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 12:33:46
On a stormy day in the spring of 1975, I took my boat, Gollum, out for some bass. I had a few herring left from the day before, and had stopped in Stage Harbor and caught some Pogies to keep the herring company in my live tank. The area I decided to fish was between where the bar was at that time, and Monomoy...good fast moving water when the tide turns. I was using 15lb. mono with lead line for backing. I caught 3 big stripers that day, 39, 40, and 42 lbs. And, yes, the biggest one escaped the gaff! I've never repeated that. When they stopped biting I headed in and handed my receipt to Millie ,then headed to the Squire.
Bill
MO USA - Mon 05/22/2017 - 09:32:49
Ralph Macdonald built the house for my Dad in West Chatham in 1958. He also built Sea In The Rough and Handkerchief Shoals, among others. He once caught a very big striper and brought it by to show it off to my dad, in 1959. Here's that photo: http://serenity.jjd.com/Images/1959-ralph-macdonald.jpg Looks at least as big as the 64 lb one!
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 13:16:05
The largest bass I remember seeing was caught by Tim Hartnett, back in 1974. He had it mounted and it hung in his father's house in Riverbay. Does anyone else remember this and/or the weight? Pretty sure it was in the 60+ range.
Bill
MO USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 12:44:58
Photo of said big bass: http://bit.ly/big-bass
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 11:40:41
Col Jim - saw something on the internetz of someone catching a 64lb striper over near the canal this week.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/21/2017 - 11:37:44
Bingo - called the "Deadman's hand". Good catch Jim - thought I'd killed he interwebz for a few moments....

Anyone catching any stripers yet? Schoolies should be in.

JimP
USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 20:06:11
I think Jim was referring to Wild Bill Hickock who was preported to be holding the Aces & Eights hand when it was killed.
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 18:27:21
JimP: Whose gravesite?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 05/20/2017 - 17:38:03
Carl, we visited his gravesite in Deadwood when we were in South Dakota - neat place. Some pretty interesting characters buried there.
JimP
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 18:54:01
Aces and eights.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 13:04:46
It wasn't a body they found at Saquatucket Harbor, it was THIS ROOM!
Ben H
USA - Fri 05/19/2017 - 10:10:25
Good to hear Carl I had been looking for you in the Norwegian Funny Papers
Ben H
USA - Wed 05/17/2017 - 16:04:21
After several inquires I do not think it is me.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 05/17/2017 - 00:27:08
A couple photos and very little information about the body found at Saquatucket Harbor can be seen here. http://www.capecod.com/cape-wide-news/fire-rescue-and-police-respond-to-body-at-saquatucket-harbor/ (If you have trouble with copy/paste, here's a shorter link: http://bit.ly/2qGHliv )
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 16:12:59
Wishing All Mothers out there a Very Happy Mother's Day and may your faces light up with gladness! (Taken from the Song "Smile" originally done in 1936 by Chapman and later by Nat King Cole, Michael Jackson, and Rod Stewart. Mom's you might want to Utube this one.
So today is the day to SMILE!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 12:51:45
Does anyone know who died in Saquatucket Harbor this morning? A lot of Chatham boats up there.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/14/2017 - 12:48:05
I understand the sea is a rolling in Chatham. The election is over, no one says much, so now its time to move on, but here's a good one for all: We can believe what we choose, we are answerable for what we choose to believe.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 22:55:40
I was gonna ask if Bob had commandeered the ship and was planning to skipper the rest of the cruise.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 19:01:29
The sea she is a'rollin but Captain Bob has it under control!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 05/13/2017 - 11:24:13
Chronicle FB post says Cory Metters has been elected as Chairman of BOS. Given his prior experience at Planning Board, it's going to be well run meetings, I believe.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/12/2017 - 09:58:34
Updated: She had 1,289 to his 706. That's quite a victory. Hope things improve on BOS now.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:33:15
Chronicle reports that Shareen Davis won the election. No vote count given in the FB post.
J Hallgren (as user)
S. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:29:02
Sylvia Fulcher - and now you may know the rest of the story. Happy trails ahead!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 20:18:43
I'm not sure I qualify, but I know I never pull strings.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 19:03:29
Alan - proud to be one!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 14:27:15
John Whelan/Emily:
Democracy is great, but you have to recognize its limitation. Facetious or not, the ancient Greeks (Spartans) were aware of the flaws where they referred to the "string pullers" as the minor arts of wire pulling. Even within this room, it is clearly obvious that you also have the "good old boy gang" Chatham card carrying members and they are easily identifiable.

To this end, Chatham people, go out and exercise your right to vote as there are many on this site, who provided the assistance for you to do so.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/11/2017 - 10:36:38
I like both candidates and feel as though each of them are worthy of consideration. If Seth is ousted, though, who will champion the Monomoy issue(s)? Anyone have that answer? Good luck to both of them.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 17:34:31
The following quote is taken directly from Seth at the debate. Verify on channel 18 if you would like.

: "I ask you all to look around the town of Chatham and tell me if you have a year round business that has to pay the level of taxes a marijuana shop is going to pay. And they are going to find a profitable business in the town of Chatham. This is something that is going to be legal in the town of Chatham...Is it going to be a problem in the winter time, of course not..Is it going to be more exciting in the summertime, it sure is... Pot is gonna be legal...It is irrelevant when and if it becomes legal because I don't know any 98-year-olds who will be smoking bones." He also said Massachusetts has always been known for its Blue Laws and they should have been buried years ago"

Clearly, his attempt to paint himself as anti legal marijuana and Shareen as for it was an effort to pander to chatham majority who don't support it. The bottom line is that they both essentially said similar things and to suggest otherwise is being untruthful.

Sean <srsummer@comcast.net >
USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 14:06:52
I'm afraid there are voters who count on a certain few to be involved, and speak at Town Meeting. And despite the opportunity to state one's opinion, not everyone is comfortable doing so. It takes a bit of courage, despite wobbly knees and the realization there will be criticism by some. But, it is SO important to pay attention and be involved.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 10:32:55
I see some towns have their Town Meetings on Saturday. Maybe that would be something to consider for the future. It's very hard for folks who are up early and work all day - especially those with families to try to attend evening meetings. I would much more appreciate the opportunity of attending one on a Saturday instead of working al day then going in the evening - and I know I speak for others as well.
JudyP
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/10/2017 - 06:13:25
Emily, I don't know what is flawed about the system. The ability to state one's position is available to all. It is transparent. Few government decisions at all levels are as fair. Please tell me how it is flawed.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 22:35:49
John...my point exactly! Shame on me for not attending Town Meeting this year after 3 generations of love of this town.,way back to 1880. But the system is flawed....and the "big_wiga" know it! What EVER HAS HAPPENED.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:59:27
I know that many people have strong feelings about some of the issues decided at Chatham's Town Meeting. Some feel their beliefs have been validated and some feel their position was unfairly denied. That is not my issue. My issue is the integrity of the Town Meeting system. To my knowledge, all interested voters can attend and participate in our Town Meeting. Each and every voter has his or her right to address the meeting and to vote on the issue. To me, that is the purest form of democracy available anywhere. So any talk of 220 votes out of 6000
is, to my way of thinking, just so much talk. We should do all we can to preserve the Town Meeting form of government.

john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:28:11
It does require a lot of patience to sit at Town Meeting, but it is one thing I miss. I started going to Town Meeting at the age of 13 and learned much about the way our town works. Many people couldn't care less about the proceedings, but it's the best way to direct what happens to where you live, or to at least make an attempt.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 21:07:40
Thank you, Elaine.....I simply wanted to point out how the few are able to decide for the many! Who is to blame? I cannot venture a guess, but my husband I have voted (absentee) for a candidate we feel will intelligently continue a fight for all of Chatham and has " a dog in the fight". My firngers are crossed.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:47:35
Selectman Taylor is against them.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:25:24
Judy P. To add to your reference re: the alleged "smear campaign"- which is defined as "false accusations", I'm confused by that moniker floating around. .No one can debate that Shareen is for them and Seth is against Selectman Taylor. Pot shops will likely be the single biggest social issue facing every community this year. Since legalization was defeated in Chatham 58%-42%, I think we can conclude that at least 58% would be opposed to pot shops in Chatham. However the Chronicle neglected to report that Shareen stated this position in both debates- one on video of 4-20-17 at the League f Women Voters. i think we can all agree that an informed citizenry is always better for democracy.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:23:30
Emily. If I understood your comment, i agree with you that its pretty sad that so few show up at town meeting to determine how millions are spent. A $31 Million appropriation for wastewater expansion( mostly for 137 for Harwich) , and as much as our entire Operating Budget, passed with less discussion than pickle ball. As far as the Intermunicipal Agreement with Harwich, I'd just say I'm really glad none of those 220 who voted for it are my Financial Advisor. I'd be bankrupt in short order.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 20:03:18
Debbie - do you want to continue this dialogue about exaggeration? I happen to be the recipient of an email you're sending around saying that there's a smear campaign going on against Shareen saying how if pot is sold in Chatham her opponents are claiming we are trying to work people into a frenzy by stating Shareen is for organized crime and homelessness. Seriously? You may want to get your facts straight before you post on here . We all conveniently noticed how you never responded to my question - silence is complacency. Maybe your grandchildren will venture into a pot shop and buy their wares and bring some home to you.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:30:56
P.S Debbie. The Chronicle stated it was 61. They must be wrong.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:19:17
It is reminiscent of the 7000 cars that drive down Stage Harbor Rd every day.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:16:41
Elaine: It was stated that under 400 out of 6000 (total) voters supported. So I stated that 60 out of 6000 (total) voters opposed. Sorry about the one vote. We can discuss exaggeration of numbers after the election.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 19:05:15
Oops typo - should have said when will town require - sorry
Great catch Elaine -

JudyP
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:56:25
Read online one comment today about the horrible deal that was negotiated for this - couldn't agree more - but as Debbie says democracy rules. Interesting how some things can become non binding when the "powers that be" don't like the outcome. This was indeed a horrible deal that Chatham will end up paying greatly for a long time to come. Would be interested to learn when CBI and that stretch of roadway will be forced to hook up. The town seems to be baking the small users hook up first - which makes no sense
JudyP
W Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:46:48
FYI Debbie. The vote was 220-61. Not 6000-61. This exaggeration of numbers is ringing a bell.
Elaine
USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:43:20
60 out of 6000 opposed it. Democracy in action!
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:32:28
Arrgh! Wilth over 6000 voters in Chatham, under 400 voted to approve the sewer deal with Harwich. Something stinks!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 18:15:46
Carl: Is your Indian Hill neighbor as old as you? Or was she a former neighbor from many years ago?Are you both old?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Tue 05/09/2017 - 17:41:14
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for my old Indian Hill Road neighbor - Miss San Francisco. Now guess that one!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 13:13:18
As a kid, I loved to peel and chew on a fresh stalk of rhubarb. Expected to love rhubarb pie and practically gagged on it!!! Ironically, I am not usually a fan of the "sour" food/drink experience and rhubarb pie adds sugar. In every other instance, I absolutely LOVE pie. Not...this...time... :-\
Melissa
USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 10:41:22
Lisa, thanks. We too always referred to it as Andrew Harding's Lane, and all mail ever sent home seemed to get there. In later years when our street number got changed from the "43" it always was, to something like "56", the change became apparent to me. Does the street sign have the s on the end? Regardless, it has always been a special place, especially back when Walter Eldredge and then Art Gould had "Boats to let". On a side note, our garden too had rhubarb in it, and whether it was her love or the raisins she put in hers, Aunt Betty's rhubarb was always delicious! And nothing like a strawberry/rhubarb pie!
Bill
MO USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:53:17
For the first time in fifteen years, I won't be in the bleachers at ATM, as not arriving until this afternoon so have things to do in Yarmouth tonight...oh well...will watch on video later.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:45:01
I note that the assessor lists Eliphalets (oops Eliphamets) with no apostrophe. Maybe it's that way for all "possessive" streets. Wondering why the name was changed. Maybe Andrew used it as a path to the beach from his store.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 09:01:14
The assessor's office lists the lane without an s but we have always referred to it as Andrew Hardings Lane even though Andrew Harding never owned it and his store was at 151 Main. I don't think he ever lived on the street. On an old map, it once was Mullet Street. No lifeguards in red chairs at Lighthouse Beach.
Lisa Edge
Cherry Hill, NJ USA - Mon 05/08/2017 - 08:22:20
Could be Richard. My sons hate tomatoes. I grow lots of them and I love them. But, I never forced them to eat them.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 18:46:08
Judith:
If your household was shy of sugar, then I can see why you might have an aversion to stewed rhubarb. Or maybe body chemistries react differently to such things. My wife is not an aficionado of rhubarb, but somehow I was born to like it.
Rubub

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 18:00:43
Rubub: This brought back a memory. My parents had an enormous garden, with rhubarb planted along the driveway. I HATED stewed rhubarb, but my siblings and I had to finish everything served us. All my friends would be out playing and I would be gagging on that awful rhubarb. Later, when I was learning to drive, back and forth up and down the driveway I "accidentally" ran over the rhubarb. Never ate it again. It is pretty though.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 17:01:46
Jake Worth was an auto mechanic at Chase Chevrolet (now Bank Of America ) on Old Harbor Road.Jake was stationed with my grandfather in the Coast Guard at Monomoy around 1917-1918. It was years later that I knew that Jake had been in the CG.
This time of year, when rhubarb is coming in, I think of him. He'd buy our extra stalks, so I became "Rubub" to him.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 15:30:07
Jim P is right this is a decision for the informed voters of Chatham to make. I can guarantee one thing though and that is that there will be not one teaspoon less Marijuana consumed in Chatham if pot shops are prohibited. To quote one of the Chowderman's favorites "Just because thou art virtuos shall there be no more cakes and ale!"
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
W. Chatham , MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 14:49:09
I don't think I would want to arm wrestle with JimP - or brain wrestle either!
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 11:13:03
wasn't the halfway house a little shack literally "halfway" between life-saving stations? A place of refuge for the surfmen out walking foot patrol within their sector? I recall talking with Jake Worth about that stuff many years ago. Man...got a great education from listening to him and some of the other old-timers.

My commentary on the legalization was not a pro or con stance; just my observations from an area I knew fairly well: Colorado Springs. I would urge people to exercise diligence and do their own research. Legalization is NOT the fiscal panacea many advocates claim. the secondary and tertiary costs of legalization often dwarf the revenue generated; not to mention the social issues that arise.

Some areas it may be fine; others...not so much. Is it right for Chatham? I'd let the voters decide armed with accurate information from recent jurisdictions that have done so.

As to discourse, please keep things civil - we can all disagree on many things. Life would be boring were we to all agree on everything; but let's keep the discourse civil. There's a whole lot of really good people here with whom I may disagree, but they are still really good people.

JimP
USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 09:42:19
I remember when Halfway House was moved to Forest Beach in the late 1980's by Mr. Baker. It's probably there to stay. I'm happy that it was saved...one of the few iconic structures that remain in our town. It had been named to the National Register of Historic Places prior to being moved.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 07:59:40
Debbie, the Halfway House still resides in Chatham...just not on the same beach. And, for those of you that do not know me, BobR is Robert Smith Ryder, born in October of 1941, and except for a few years abroad have called Chatham "home" ever since.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 05/07/2017 - 04:48:03
Bill M, I don't need you or anyone else in this room to lecture me about what drugs can do to families. I have been there. I support Shareen for many other reasons, a primary one being that she is respectful of others and their opinions.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 23:25:05
Debbie - just curious here - do you or do you not support pot shops in Chatham? I think we'd all be curious to hear your response.
JudyP
W Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 22:41:58
Disingenuous? I don't know Bill M., Ben H., Bob R, Glenn S. or Bill N.. But, I do think these are probably real people unlike "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton".

There's something really odd and presumptuous about a person afraid to use his or her real name, but will endorse a candidate. It's not as though "Steve Harding" is a respected member of the community who lends credibility, integrity or authority with an endorsement. IMO.

Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 22:17:26
OK Judy, I guess I need to explain again. Scroll down and you'll see that Bill M. addressed "Anonymous Steve". So I thought it was pretty disingenuous, where he's also anonymous. I'll leave it at that.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 21:36:57
Debbie - I just don't understand why you feel the need to argue with everyone in here. It is as tiring as George's posts. Who cares? People have expressed their opinions about having pot shops in Chatham and it's safe to say the majority of residents do not want them . Regardless of who Bill M. is he wrote an extremely well thought out post as did others.
JudyP
WChatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 21:23:59
I take it that you and others know who Bill M. is? Fair is fair, IMHO.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:24:23
Debbie: Why have you referred to Bill M. as "Anonymous Bill M."? Seriously. I don't think I've ever seen you refer to "Steve Harding" or "George Hamilton" this way.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:18:20
Anonymous Bill M.: This discourse has me perplexed. Your candidate has even been quoted as saying that the discussion is premature.
I bit of nostalgia from 1959: Halfway House on the beach between the Hawes House Beach and Andrew Harding's Beach. Wishing it could be brought back, now that the beach has built up again.

Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 20:01:32
Bill M. -Roll call
"Steve Harding"
I don't know how a candidate can say in one breath we need to bring in more young families to Chatham, and in the next support pot shops. A really great way to create ANOTHER "challenge facing young people"-AND their parents. The negative impact on property values alone would be profound and irreversible. I would personally never buy a home in any town with pot shops, exposing my grandchildren to an environment as described by Jim P. It would be grossly irresponsible. Nor do I think "pot shops" made the Chamber of Commerce's top 50 list for "rebranding" Chatham. But "rebranded" it will be. To imply that to embrace "diversity" requires being accepting of pot shops, and all it's very serious negative implications for a community, is taking "spin" to an absurdly, laughable level, if it weren't so serious. I'm frankly floored that anyone would even attempt to rationalize it's support under the guise of "diversity" and having a "broad perspective". I refuse to embrace it and won't be "shamed" into it, by you or anyone else. And shame on you for trying, whoever you are. It is a bridge, once crossed, that will change Chatham forever- and not for the good, for anyone, by any standard.

Elaine
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 18:57:00
Anybody who thinks that it is a good idea to have Pot Shops in any community is not looking out for the best interests of the entire community. It may be good for business for someone. But, it is a loser for society. This is not a slap against Shereen, I thing she is a good person.. let's think about the kids in this town.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 16:06:38
Can you two really support a candidate such as this with a straight face? Both of you? It is laughable and seems to clearly indicate that you and every other person that may be supporting Shareen Davis, have no problem with marijuana sales in Chatham. George, do you know what drugs do to young families? Have you any concept of how drugs can decimate a community? HA! HA! HA! Let me fall off my chair laughing! What you have is a candidate that is telling the voters of Chatham that it's ok to have drugs in our community.

There is no whitewashing this one. She said what she said. Unfortunately for George and Steve, they can't change that.

Please... who in this chat room would even consider exposing our community to the horrors of drugs by voting for Shareen Davis? Please, let's get a roll call.

Bill M.
Chatham, MA, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 15:10:05
George Myers & Anonymous Steve,

This room was just getting back to normal but you two want to serve us up some more political slop. So, ok. game on.

I just watched the League of Women Voters event and here is what Shareen Davis said: "People think this is an up and coming industry all over the country. We shouldn't be dismissive of the idea. Why don't we take advantage of that and hopefully we see some businesses in town that will be able to sell marijuana. "

Everyone should watch it.

Bill M.
Chatham, MA, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 15:09:33
Mr. Harding:
Your Choreographing maneuver turns on a metaphoric light switch within me
"Don't count your chickens before they hatch"

Alan Wirsul
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 12:17:14
5 days to go to Election Day. Shareen Davis continues to demonstrate her willingness to listen to differing opinions of the issues. She clearly shows her knowledge of the challenges facing working people, young and old, obviously since she and her family have first hand experience. It is this broad perspective that will make her a great asset for Chatham's diverse community when she is elected on Thursday.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 10:38:54
Just an observation on the legality of pot: I've been stationed at Fort Carson twice (Colorado Springs); spent 5 years there prior to the enactment of the marijuana laws a couple years ago.
In our meanderings about the country, we spent a month camping at the Air Force Academy (sorry Ben) back in October. Colorado Springs used to be a vibrant, eclectic and wonderful community - really neat little city. It has been overrun by bums and vagrants seeking the permissiveness of the lax drug laws. EVERY single corner in downtown CS has panhandlers seeking money....EVERY SINGLE CORNER.

When previously there, Jen felt perfectly safe to wander around downtown and do her thing on off days. She said she wouldn't venture down there now unless me or our 220 pound dog was with her. Kind of sad. And, I'm not even mentioning the concomitant crime rate and illegal "grow-house" statistics.

Just food for thought.

JimP
USA - Sat 05/06/2017 - 08:48:56
I am not going to get into this with you George except to say that at the Chatham Alliance forum this week Seth again said he was opposed, and Shareen said she was for pot shops. Hundreds of people were present for the comments at the two forums which I trust you were not. Take it or leave it. It is what it is.
Elaine
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 20:29:07
Elaine, Difficult to arrive at that conclusion based on his LWV responses. In fact, he Joked about marijuana use.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 20:12:26
I lived well below the arresting gear, but the 1000 lb bombs being rolled around in the hangar bay on the Intrepid were just feet over my head. I was on the Intrepid when two A-1's (prop planes) shot down at least one Russian MIG, a jet. Cool stuff.
Ben, I give you a lot of credit for landing on a carrier deck, multiple times, in a "steuff" as well as an A-4.. There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old and bold pilots. I have some movies I shot of various carrier landings, as well as movies of crossing the Equator and crew members becoming Shellbacks.
Sorry, this is not Chatham news or history. Just encouraging Ben to tell some more sea stories.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 19:48:28
When I was at Umass my advisor was David Porter, a very bright and kind man. After receiving my Master's Degree at Wesleyan I returned to UMass, at age now 29, and looked up David. He asked me what I had learned at Wesleyan and I told him that I had learned how to read. He knew exactly what I meant, put his hand on my shoulder and congratulated me.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 18:11:15
"To be fair" George, Selectman Taylor is on record that he is opposed to pot shops in Chatham, Ms Davis is on record at LWV that "hopefully we will see some businesses in town that will be able to sell marijuana." I think the difference between those two positions is crystal clear.
Elaine
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 17:28:54
Carl - interesting! Thank you and Ben for your reminiscing- I always enjoyed hearing the stories folks mentioned near Camp Avalon as well. Not too many folks here now that remember that or the blimp coming to Chatham.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:59:58
Carl/Ben:
I see again that we might have something in common with your Umass venture, but difficult for me to relate it to Chatham except to say there may be a few chemists out in the township. At Umass, there was a Professor Louis Carpino who taught out of the Lederle Building (he must be about 86 now, but I know he was teaching into is late 70's). His work centered around the construction of Peptides and Med Chemistry. He is responsible for 1000's of jobs and more, around the Pharma world-remarkable mind, great guy!

Ben: Few People have the chance to what you were doing, coming back from Chatham, did you ever miss the arrestor lines? Forget about missing them, what was the experience that may have caused you to cr... in your pants the most?

Alan Wirsul
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:56:24
Judy, As you well know a political contribution to a candidate does not establish that the candidate agrees with every position of the contributor. If that were true, Chatham would hardly move forward under Mr. Taylor as many of his most ardent supporters are CAVE people (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)(joke). BTW, looks like about 40% of Mr. Taylor's financial support is from himself.

To be fair, Judy, both Ms. Davis and Mr. Taylor acknowledged the inevitability of a "pot shop" in Chatham in light of state law that will allow them. Mr. Taylor noted that if Chatham didn't have a pot shop, Chatham people will just go to Harwich to buy it. I don't think he would want to forgo the taxes a Chatham pot shop would bring to Chatham coffers.

Sorry folks, but Judy started it.

George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 16:37:14
Ben and Alan -when I was in Rota, Spain in the Navy with a very high clearance for classified material and I carried a .38 Ruger Courier and the A4 would land on the tarmac and I and my LTJG Frank Paskert would pick up the material and transport it back to HQ. I always enjoyed reading the ONI Office of Naval Intelligence (coded Secret) and what was happening with the Russians off of North Beach. When I came across the red paper for Top Secret and it said "For US Eyes Only" my knees trembled a bit but it was interesting although I did not understand much of it. It was a nice firearm they gave me to carry and if I agreed to reenlist they would make me a YN2500 which was a secret agent with a CID designation for civilian in disguise Fortunately the Sirens of Umass attracted me more and at age 22 I went to college.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 15:01:18
The Chronicle's Facebook page is posting a link to the Town website to show who is supporting the candidates and the amounts of their contributions. No surprises the developers are supporting Ms. Davis who also said she would support pot shops in Chatham at the League of Woman Voters Forum. I know folks are fed up with the political posts on here; however one should know who they're voting for and their positions on certain topics.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 14:12:34
Hey Alan 3 aircraft carriers in northeast back then USS Intrepid (now a museum in NYC)and USS Lake Champlain in Quounset Pt, USS Wasp in Boston (because JFK wanted one carrier in Boston). Each carrier had A1 Skyraiders, E1 Hawkeyes, S2 Trackers, and A4 Skyhawks (A4 was the only jet aircraft - meant to counter the threat of the Russian Bear aircraft flyovers in the North Atlantic as in early Top Gun). I flew the S2 and A4. How does this relate to the Cape? We totally blew up the James Longstreet relic off Brewster on training missions with our rockets and at night we had a mega candlepower searchlight which would expose and scatter beach parties (some even forgot to gather their clothes) when we came in low towards their campfire and lit them off at the last minute. All in good fun and best interests of training and proficency.
Ben H
USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 11:31:06
Oh my - - totally forgot that place!! I don't think we were allowed to go there - too many "older" kids.. LOL Not a clue about Harding v Harding's . . sorry
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 10:43:26
Judy, the "Inner Beach" I was referring to was located in the basement of the Episcopal Church, summers of '67-'68 I believe. However, I spent countless hours working and playing within the confines of the one you are referring to! Many hours spent skim boarding the low water flats at Andrew Harding's Lane. Speaking of, when referred to, it was always with the "S" at the end of Harding. However I was told it was officially just "Harding". Any clarification?
Bill
MO USA - Fri 05/05/2017 - 10:01:59
So, was it an A1E Skyraider at RI or the latter vieweed replacement Grumman A-6 Intruder?
Alan Wirsul
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 23:09:24
Sure did Richard 1962-64 Quonset Pt RI Now we're probably both in trouble for reminiscing about naval carrier aviation - bound to offend someone
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:56:29
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USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:49:34
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ca, CA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 21:06:05
Ben H: Did you ever land or take off from the USS Intrepid, my former home for 2 years? 1965-1967
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 19:52:59
I remember the abandoned USCG station on the outer beach being a treasure trove for a 6 year old boy - I found a set of flash cards with photos of enemy aircraft and submarines. With my father being at sea on a destroyer escort for the entire war, I used my imagination as to how he was helping keep us safe from the U Boats.He later told me there were no heroics just constant seasickness. We weren't allowed to swim near the current that summer after Billy Cleary and a visiting friend got swept away by it - he knew enough not to panic and ended up OK but she fought it and was drowning when old Mr Johnson (definitely too old to be a lifeguard) watching from his lawn somehow got to her and dragged her ashore - they put her on a door and started trying to revive her when Doc Keene came roaring up the road to Ministers Point just in time to save her. I had a tremendous respect for rip tides and strong currents after watching that.
Ben H
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 16:10:31
It's that time of year for me to be on-the-road for a few days so since I won't have Net access as much, y'all please be kind to each other and try to follow the rules while I'm not able to check in, ok? Thanks!
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:49:36
Most of my memories come from the end of Andrew Hardings Lane but when we ventured "across the current" it was good times. The shoreline view. Raked clams for the 1st time. Enjoyed finding remains of camp fires, thinking how much fun the "pirate cook-outs" must have been. :-)
Melissa
USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:32:01
Bill - I remember there was so much of it!! We'd clam there then go over and swim the Outer. I can't believe there was so much beach then and so little now. Those were the best of days. John - I was mistaken about the red chairs - still need to do some research on that. Maybe it was the Beach Club. . . .
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 10:00:19
Speaking of nostalgia and the outer beach, does anyone else remember the "Inner Beach"?
Bill
MO USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 09:57:50
I don't remember lifeguards at Lighthouse Beach. Sometimes there were waves. The Beach Club had a lifeguard. The outer beach was growing to the south.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 05/04/2017 - 08:36:19
Wayne - I'll have to ask my friend and get back to you. Perhaps we were thinking of something else but we both remembered red lifeguard chairs. Go figure - thanks!
JudyP
West Chatham , MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 16:12:26
Judy, Please be nice. It was not an "announcement". The announcement came with Judith's post that preceded mine. (Note her town designation.) Anyway, I hope that current topics will continue to be posted along with nostalgia.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 16:01:03
Judy, I grew up summers on Andrew Harding's Ln.in the 50's and 60's and do not remember lifeguards at Lighthouse Beach.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 15:36:27
I'm sure Debbie. Now that we've exhausted politics and the aviation industry, can we please get back to the nostalgia? Maybe if folks are actually friends, your type of "announcement" would be best sent by email.

Who can answer this? I seem to remember years ago - in the 60's perhaps - there were lifeguards at the Lighthouse Beach. Does anyone remember if that was so? I asked my mother a long time ago and she didn't remember, but one of my friends said she vaguely remembered it as well. Does anyone recall that?

Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:50:44
Just congratulating. Thought I was being nice. Oh well...
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:38:48
Reading your posts - sorry!!! Can't hear them from here. LOL
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:28:30
Judith - doesn't matter where you live - we enjoy reading your posts! Like Ben, and Mr. Ryder who lived here and no longer do. Not sure why Debbie felt the need to publicize that - probably to make sure we are all aware that you are no longer a citizen of Chatham. Nonetheless - I enjoy hearing your posts!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 14:26:35
It's aviation Judith made sense to Alan who understands the rewards of helping others learn the joys of flying - Does it apply to this room? A big no - simply points out the rambling philosophy from Alan
I am a nostalgia guy - hope we go back to that

Ben H
USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 13:09:08
Judith: Congratulations on your new home. I was very surprised to note the real estate transactions in the Chronicle.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 05/03/2017 - 06:29:09
Alan: I very much appreciate your kind comments. Thank you.
Judith Winters
Harwich, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 22:16:03
Ben H, I never met Judith Winters other than on this site, however my observations of Judith is that she thinks in a fashion of doing what's right and wishes to make a positive contribution to Chatham in any way possible. She serves as a beacon of light to the Chatham community as well as this site.
Judith follows a path pf principal!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 20:20:15
Judith: The references to aviation made sense to both Ben and Alan as both have connections to that field in various ways.

Ben H: Sorry but I believe that your comments re Judith are certainly within the definition of a personal attack which I don't allow here. And the comments re Alan and pharmaceuticals were also out of line. I do like to have you participating here but not when you're making comments about people directly like that. Not sure what's going on but some other recent postings have been borderline and I've tolerated it but may not be able to in future.

Alan: I don't believe that your initial post of this series was at all rambling as Ben H says, esp when compared to some prior ones. I think he owes you an apology.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 18:32:08
And that, ladies and gentlemen showed a complete lack of civility, courtesy or understanding of John's rules. The comment about Alan, "carrier landings", "100 night", etc. made no sense.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 16:34:01
Judith I don't know you but based upon your responses in this room I think you are a complete "priss" as in a prissy old schoolmarm or librarian - you wait in the weeds until you can criticize someone or something - always criticism never a positive thought or a thank you
Alan tried it liked it so much I ended up with thousands of hours 300 carrier landings 100 night taught more than a few along the way You are correct it is rewarding
That's the first post from you in here which I understood - keep it up

Ben H
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 16:17:44
Ben H:
I assure you Ben H., there is no hallucinating going on here, on the contrary, I worked on a volunteer basis for 15 years with with our local youth services and alliance committee to prevent what you are suggesting. Even more so, I took on the challenge of the most bullied and lost students in the community, working with the school and the local airport to established a first flight program. Something that could easily be done in Chatham, if there was not so much bickering taking place. Nothing like the first time experience of lifting a plane off the ground and seeing a young person have self worth. You may wish to try it sometime instead of your disrespectful nonsense.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 15:34:31
Judith, Tolerance for other points of view, and means of expression are good qualities in anyone.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 15:21:41
The hill overlooked Stage Harbor from Champlain Road Town Landing. Go take a look. I went with either Frannie or Nancy.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 13:32:46
I found my thrill on Blueberry Hill
On Blueberry Hill when I found you
The moon stood still on Blueberry Hill
And lingered until my dreams came true
(The wind in the willow played
Love's sweet melody
But all of those vows we made
Were never to be)
Though we're apart, you're part of me still
For you were my thrill on Blueberry Hill
(I found my thrill)
Come climb the hill with me, baby
(on Blueberry Hill)
We'll see what we shall see
(on Blueberry Hill)
I'll bring my horn with me
(when I found you)
I'll be wit' you where berries are blue
(the moon stood still)
Each afternoon we'll go
(on Blueberry Hill)
Higher than the moon we'll go
(and lingered until)

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 13:27:45
Ben, your less than subtle inference re pharmaceuticals is uncalled for. Tolerance for other points of view, and means of expression are good qualities in ambassadors and people who contribute to this room. BTW, I don't think anyone has cornered the market on song lyrics.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 10:41:37
Alan I believe you mean well and wish to make a contribution to this room but unfortunately your submissions are rambling - almost as if you loaded up on "pharmaceuticals" and then tried to inspire us with your philosophy. Please find a point and stick to it so we can understand you. Yes Chatham needs ambassadors and Yes John Whelan has lived his life as a great ambassador for Chatham. Please leave the Louis Armstrong lyrics to the Chowderman with his version of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 10:24:47
Unfortunately, moving "forward" does not always mean "getting better"...just sayin'.
Melissa
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 09:40:14
John Whelan is an excellent ambassador for Chatham. I note that he's moderating a Selectman Candidates' Forum this Thursday. Good luck John!
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 08:56:38
Folks:
What Chatham needs is ambassadors. You can epitomize the idea of nostalgia. However, while you may wish you could experience it again, why can you not grasp and embrace, that you could contribute for living in a world that is better, than the one we came from.
And oh yes, politics is not the end all. While you may not influence 10,000 people in your life time, find 10 and share a positive experience.
"I see Trees of Green, Red Roses too. I think to myself, what a wonderful world.

Alan Wirsul
USA - Tue 05/02/2017 - 07:38:42
...and speaking of competitive politics, 10 more days! Hopefully those of us who live here aren't fed up!
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 18:59:48
Carl. "Outdoor" definitely didn't start in Chatham today. I was hoping to dance around the maypole, but it was not to be.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 18:24:27
Yea, I come on here for the nostalgia. . .as I live right outside of Washington, D.C., I am "fed up" will all politics!! :-)

I do imagine though that the local politics for positions on the Cape can get pretty competitive in their own right!

Mike Crosman <crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 17:10:10
Hooray! Hooray! It;s the first of May.
Outdoor ....... starts today.

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Mon 05/01/2017 - 09:42:31
Thanks Bob. My posts are always respectful. Stay tuned.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/30/2017 - 19:29:50
Don't run Debbie. I am one that follows most of the chat here and to a certain extent enjoy it. There's room for non-denigrating political chat.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/30/2017 - 16:35:55
Got it. So much for present Chatham. See above.
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 20:34:46
Nostalgia is how and why this site was founded.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 20:28:45
Ok, guess I need to defer to nostalgia. Over and out.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:34:32
Two whole days after your entry on the 27th , with no comments from anyone..
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:32:43
Richard, Since it's so easy to see, I'd like to know why you think Chatham politics discussion tends to shut things down.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 19:18:00
Easy to see how the Chatham politics topic tends to shut down much discussion.

Learned recently that Ross Gould was employed by Ruby (Bloomer) and Castell Kelley at Ruby's Dry Cleaning Shop in West Chatham, as I was. So, there must have been many others. Wasn't Betty Bearse there when I was there? Older employed women were Mary Baker and Gladys Nickerson, who folded and packaged finished laundry. This was back in the mid 50's. The place later became the Frog Pond.
Cas was the son of Joseph C. Kelley, the Keeper at Monomoy Point Station in 1902. I used to cut his widow Chestina's grass. Should have asked more questions of her.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/29/2017 - 18:08:14
This is Article 38. The IMA doesn't require Town Meeting approval by State Law. So I guess the outcome must be non-binding.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 20:20:37
Totally agree. I have to say I am impressed with how the Harwich Selectman really went to bat for their people. Too bad Chatham's didn't and are only able to see dollar signs. Harwich stands to gain much more than Chatham ever will and as pointed out in the article - it never will end. Sad that so many folks don't see the writing on the wall. Town Meeting will decide - but one better hope that it is a BINDING vote.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:54:41
Guess we need to see how this plays out at Town Meeting. Meanwhile, I stand by my comments.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:47:50
Debbie - if you read Elaine's article carefully - you'll see it makes absolutely no sense to venture into that "muck". Just because one is an attorney doesn't mean they are necessarily correct. There is another attorney who posts here frequently and his judgement leaves little to be desired. I question the other individual who clearly can't even figure out what a conflict of interest is in relation to his own residence and his wife's business. Chatham, like the government, doesn't need to rush to everyone's rescue. Poor planning on their part doesn't mean we should be their rescuers. Let Hawich poney up their own money. Kind of like the school system - how's that working out? Too many conflicts. No more needed.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:35:31
The elaborate woodworks at the Eldredge Library , in the older section, is worth a trip. Like, what machine was used to make all these turned spindles that delineate the railings upstairs?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 19:11:28
Regarding the IMA, I have total confidence in the two accomplished Selectmen, one a lawyer and one with financial expertise, who diligently negotiated an compromised agreement with Harwich. How is it that Chatham benefits from foregoing payment of $6,750,000 from Harwich? IMHO, regional cooperation is critical if the Cape is ever going to solve its wastewater problem.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:53:56
Got upstairs in the Eldredge Library Genealogy Section this afternoon, after not having been in that section since 1955 or so CHS students, like everyone else, were allowed in to the Library only at certain hours and certain days. And, no talking back then!
WOW! The collections they have for New England genealogical history is amazing! My wife found info that she was looking for, re SGT Harlow of Plymouth, and other more recent clues about her MA ancestors.
The Library is a gem!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:05:18
Very interesting "You Guest It" article in the Chronicle by Elaine Gibbs about the Harwich/Chatham proposed sewer deal. What a nightmare that could be.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 18:04:44
If you mix ginger ale and tomatoe juice then you should't drink vodka.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Thu 04/27/2017 - 13:35:47
Grandmother Reb Ryder had a lot of Nantucket sayings. Like, "I feel like a 9 with the tail cut off."
Or,"You deserve a leather medal". Or, "Don't act Polpisify." (Her family was living downtown, Polpis was farm country.)"Or, Come in, you're out." Or, "You can get used to anything if you live long enough." (She was a widow for 50 years.)
There are several pages of these.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 16:42:41
Another: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 10:53:37
How about, no matter what walk of life you come from, if you
1) do what's right
2) you do the best to your ability
3) That you genuinely care about others
This is what really matters!

Alan Wirsul
USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 09:40:57
There's another saying: "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:44:57
As the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for."
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/26/2017 - 06:38:10
The Chowderman is one smart guy.
john whelan <sockpirate@comcast.net >
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 21:54:18
What were those words? "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 20:05:49
The Chowderman never ran for anything because he was afraid he might get elected.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 04/25/2017 - 00:37:36
I didn't get elected either. I'm at peace with it.
Debbie
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:48:34
When I ran for Selectman in Eastham, I only had three signs but I used to rotate them around the Town. Got 40% of the vote even though I was competing with an incumbent. Perhaps signs DO matter. Sort of glad I didn't get elected.
Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 18:43:13
Interesting array of lawn signs around town. Sixteen more days!
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Mon 04/24/2017 - 08:26:02
J.W. Dalton's book Life Savers of Cape Cod is a good profile of the 13 backside Life saving stations from Ptown to Monomoy Point and their Keepers and crews in 1902. A good in depth look at a select region of the service.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Sun 04/23/2017 - 09:33:25
Since there seems to be a lull in the action;
Keeper Daniel Cole of the Cahoon's Hollow Life-Saving Station (now known as the Beachcomber in the hinterlands of Wellfleet) went to sea when he was nine on a Grand Banks schooner.

The early Keepers of the Life-Saving Service were chosen from the ranks of such men who had spent a lot of time at sea. Many had been Captains of various vessels. Their official title was "Keeper", but to their crew they were always called "Captain".
Grandfather Richard E. Ryder, born in Chatham, was referred to as Captain Ryder after he became Officer in Charge of the USCG Monomoy Station in 1916. He had previously served at Old Harbor Life-Saving Station, the Monomoy Point LSS Station, at Gurnet LSS Station in Duxbury, and the floating Life-Saving Service Station at City Point in Dorchester. Who knew of a floating station? Actually, there were only two in the U.S. The other was in Louisville, KY.
C.B. Olson has some Life Saving History in his background, as do many others who visit this site.
Always looking to hear from other descendants of Life-Savers.

Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/22/2017 - 17:39:10
It was quite common for a young man of 18 back then to have risen in stature to be a Mate for a schooner. Some of the boys back then went to sea when they were nine! As cooks usually. Basically able to boil water.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 19:26:55
In 2011, before the new Mitchell River Bridge was completed, I prepared a history of the bridge from its original construction in 1871-1872 to 1982 when the fourth reconstruction of the bridge was completed. I provided the Chatham Historical Society with a copy of the history and would be pleased to email a copy to anyone who might be interested. I am reasonably confident that my sources for the history are accurate, but I would welcome any research or personal recollections that might show that any of my sources are incorrect.

Here is an excerpt from the history:

"In the Chatham Monitor of May 5, 1938, it was reported that Deputy Grand Master Harold Tuttle of the St. Martin's Masonic Lodge presented an appreciation medal to Zenas Hawes. In his presentation speech, Tuttle recalled the fact that Hawes was mate on the ship, Annie Belden, commanded by Captain Elnathan Mayo 'when the lumber for the first bridge across Mitchell's River was the cargo.' Because Hawes had not been born until 1853, it is unlikely he was a 5 year old mate in 1858 [the year some have claimed the bridge was originally constructed], but would have been about 18 years old in 1871 when the lumber was purchased for the bridge by Atwood and Edwards."

George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 17:12:21
Thanks much, Richard, for the pointer to the article about Manana. I'd like to track that down.

The old fog bell from Manana can be seen up on the hill at the Monhegan Light. It was replaced by a fog horn installation at some point. Here are a handful of photos I took of it in 2012: http://serenity.jjd.com/Images/manana-fog-station/

James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Fri 04/21/2017 - 07:26:40
As far as the history of fog bells and fog signals go on Manana Island, Me, the latest issue of Lighthouse Digest has what I would consider the definitive history of the subject . "The Roving Fog Bell of The Manana Island Fog Signal Station".
As much as I keep away from Facebook, suggest interested parties go to Facebook.com/LighthouseDigest. Maybe the article will show up there.
Mostly it was a Fog Bell, not much as a Fog Horn. It was called a Fog Signal Station. Who knew?

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 18:06:32
Mike:
I have photos of the pier being built in 1946, as well as the Town Meeting warrant article that funded the original pier. Please email me so I can send you the flicks.

Richard Gould Ryder <rgryder@comcast.net>
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 17:36:12
Hi all,

I am attempting to collect all the vintage photos I can of the Chatham Fish Pier in the 1950's and early 1960's. If anyone has any pictures that they are willing to share I would appreciate it!

Thanks!

Mike Crosman <crosmanmj@verizon.net>
College Park, MD USA - Thu 04/20/2017 - 10:54:49
One thing that Coasties stationed near any type of foghorn would say, is that they would always pause while speaking in the interval of the blast out of habit. Sometimes they carried this trait ashore and would unknowingly pause every few seconds or minutes without realizing it, while talking to family or whomever.
Jared Fulcher <Meadowbrook155@yahoo.com>
Orleans, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 17:24:07
I still spend half a year in my childhood home at the top of Andrew Harding's Lane and enjoy the rotating light. I always imagined the Stonehorse and Pollock Rip fog horns were talking to each other. I wonder how the Coast Guardsmen on those lightships preserved their hearing. The sound must have been brutal.
Lisa Edge
CHERRY HILL, NJ USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 16:55:46
I frequently go to Monhegan Island, ME. Off the coast of Monhegan is a small island called Manana that has a now-defunct Coast Guard foghorn station. The signs there warn something to the effect of "Warning: Automated Foghorn can sound at any time. Proceeding beyond this point can cause death."
James J Dempsey
W.Chatham+Boxborough, MA USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:46:38
The back bedroom windows of our family home would catch the light as it cycled round and round. The hypnotic rhythm against the dark sky was both mysterious and calming. Fell asleep to it many times. Seeing how relatively small the Fresnel top is makes the reach and power of the light amazing. Would have loved to see the Twins but it was already one by my lifetime.
Melissa
USA - Mon 04/17/2017 - 08:13:27
I could not let the evening pass, without at least saying Joyous Happy Easter to all. Didn't hear too much about the early morning Easter Vigil today at Chatham Light. Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu-ia Al-le-lu ia.
Alan Wirsul
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 21:14:26
If you approach Stage Harbor from Nantucket Sound, the channel has you lined up with the Hardings Beach Light (fixed) and the Chatham Light (flashing). At least it was, last time I brought the CG36500 to Stage Harbor.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 18:03:37
This dialogue is very interesting . Glenn S. also knows there were 122,000 bricks delivered to Stage Harbor by schooner in 1877 for lining the new North and South Towers. The cast iron outside shell is conical, but the interior brickwork is cylindrical and the two parts meet just near the lantern room. The Nauset Light, formerly the North Tower at Chatham, is not physically attached to the cement pad which was poured in 1923 just prior to the move. No bolts! Just an estimated 90 tons. The wind doesn't seem to affect the round Nauset Light very much. Wonder what the building code would require today, 94 years later?
Hardings Beach Light is of similar construction.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 17:03:58
Don't forget that when the lighthouses and windmills were built in Chatham, they were naviagational aids for both the Atlantic Ocean and Nantucket Sound, due to the fact there were so few trees.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 15:28:07
One of the main reasons the lighthouse windows were blackened on the on west and southwest side was to prevent boat captains in Nantucket Sound from seeing the beacon and getting confused.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 14:28:41
Thanks to all who shared memories about the foghorn and lighthouse beam. I remember as a little child standing right against the lighthouse at Portland Head one time when the foghorn started. Something not to be forgotten - scared the daylights out of me! Would anyone have an idea of when they painted some of the window panes black at the lighthouse? Wonder if there had been some complaints about it shining onto Main Street by those who unfortunately, didn't appreciate it as much as you all did.
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 13:01:59
Nobska Light in Woods Hole still has a foghorn. It used to be on the shoreward side of the road and was aimed across the road. Big surprise for motorists passing by at the right time. Now it is across the road and no longer causes drivers to lose control of their autos.
steve
Falmouth, USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:45:57
The late "Park" Hammatt was also assigned to the Barateria. In the mid-sixties, I think. Park was also one of the Orleans based Sea Scouts that made national headlines when the troop, led by "Mon" Cochrane, rowed two repurposed CG pulling boats from Monomoy to Nantucket in the fifties.
glenn s.
n. eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/16/2017 - 09:25:25
No Richard, I was on a Weather Cutter, the Barataria out of Portland Maine.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 18:41:44
There might be another town in the US that had the pleasure of hearing two lightship foghorns some nights, but I don't know where they might be. Amazing that so many people we meet at Old Harbor Station in the summer have no clue about the existence of lightships.
Some Coast Guardsmen say duty on the lightships was brutal, others loved it. Barry Fulcher., weren't you on one?
No record of a fog horn at Chatham Light, (not needed due to the lightships) but I think there was one at Highland Light in Truro and a steam powered whistle at Race Point Light.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 17:42:11
My young sons shared a bunk room in a house on Little Beach. They would count the rotations of beams of light coming from the light house instead of counting sheep. A special memory.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 12:30:36
For me, growing up at the end of Andrew Harding Lane, it was the cadence of the light house shining through my west bedroom windows that put me to sleep. And, weather permitting, the crashing of the waves on North Beach coming in through my east bedroom windows. The two together were awesome, and somehow in sync at times!
Bill N.
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 09:00:00
Danny, with you it was wheels; with Mark it's wings. I hope he is well. Please tell him I said hello.
JimP
USA - Sat 04/15/2017 - 08:43:20
You may be right, Barry. If it didn't have wheels on it I didn'F pay too much attention.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 21:29:32
Richard, the album of Ruby and Harvey would be very interesting to my wife Marie, as she worked for Ruby and Cass at the cleaning shop. She remained very close to Ruby and found her when she died. A good place to share them with those of us that remember them would be on Facebook under If you grew up in Chatham, do you remember.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 20:38:05
As I slept on the attic floor mattress, with my ear to the East window, after working all day in a downtown shop, and waitressing at the Queen Anne Inn for dinner guests, the foghorn was my favorite friend. ( No guest picnics to pack at 6am). Would not trade the 50s and 60s for a million.
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 15:57:27
Judy, I grew up on School Street during my early years and hearing the fog horn at night from the lightship would lull me to sleep at night. I still love fog and still miss the fog horn.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:39:06
Dan. I think that you, might, have heard the Nantucket lightship if the wind was from the Southeast,but the horns you probably heard were from the Pollock Rip or Stone Horse lightships,maybe the Cross Rip,as they were much closer to Chatham.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:31:16
"Centimeter" John AKA Highpockets...had two at our house - good times! I still remember the birthday cake you brought to Doane Road gathering.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 10:05:31
Danny- yes - that's it thanks!!!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 09:05:09
I believe it was the Nantucket Lightship
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:49:49
Hi Jennifer - Yes, I believe it was on the Lightship - not the Lighthouse. I would imagine others on this room used to hear it as well. Perhaps Mr. Ryder can add more to this. I "believe" this was when it was located way out in front of the Lighthouse. . . I was perhaps 6-8 at the time? Not sure - so long ago.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:39:30
Judy P. - I had a question about your mentioning a fog horn. Was that on the lightship? I hadn't heard about there ever being a fog horn on the lighthouse and was curious. Thanks!
Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 08:28:26
Ben H: I was at the Chat-M-Room meetups that we had but I was NOT the organizer. That was done by our various hosts using the site. I believe we had at least three of them, or was it four or more? Based on photos and memory, I recall being at the Olson's, Edge's, Chapman's, Pratt's and was there one at D Nickerson's?
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/14/2017 - 03:57:03
I agree with Judith,Debbie,and George - Dick politics are indeed dangerous topic local or national but any topic should be OK if we avoid the personal sniping and cheap shots - I apologize if I crossed these lines or offended anyone - Think it's great that Richard, Carl (Bobo Olson middleweight boxing champ aka Chowderman)and others from that era are planning a 60th class reunion - I hope that same Chatham spirit will be picked up by John Hallgren who did such a great job organizing our original reunion so that he might consider promoting another reunion at the end of the summer - I remember having a great time with the Pattersons and Donnie Nick with his John Deere hat at that pot luck gathering but they are no longer with us - Must have been at least 20 of us John used to have photos - Time to meet and get to know Judith and others face to face - Just sayin
Ben H
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 21:38:43
I agree with both Debbie and Judith. Many of us did not have the "growing up" experience in Chatham that many of you did, but that does not mean our interest in Chatham is any less (even if we don't vote here).
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 20:11:30
Richard - I remember my mom telling us stories of her grandfather who was a Lighthouse Keeper. I wish I had paid more attention. I remember one story she told me that when he was on the "Lightship" and my grandfather was a small boy he missed him so much he rowed out to see him. I remember being very small in bed at night listening to the fog horn and being scared. Wow - what memories you brought back - thank you!
JudyP
USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:29:45
Debbie, I agree with you. The boss (John) has always made it clear that local politics is a welcome topic, but not national elections. Only a few people broke that rule. It shouldn't be up to one or two people to dictate what sort of discussion ensues. I find it is the people who live and vote here, who are most interested in our current and future issues. Those who once lived here seem to want the room to be about the past. It can be both as long as John approves.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:15:57
Maybe it is time to relate nicknames? Mine was Rinky Dink, based on nothing. (Thanks, John Pratt.)
Verne Hunt was Digger. (His Dad was the undertaker) .Carl was Bobo. Diane M. was Patia. John Chanberlain was Chamby..
I challenge others to step up. From other classes too!

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 18:09:45
By the way, those of us who graduated with Carl know his middle name started with a B after his Dad, not H.. Like CBO. How could he have had a nickname like "Bobo" otherwise?
Many of the West Chatham folks certainly are closely related to the Hardings. Noted ship captains and Lighthouse Keepers, they were.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:47:32
Form vs from? I know the difference. Josephine Crowell would perhaps given me a B+.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:35:29
In the interest in pursuing a change in the current thread,
I have a photo album (that John Whelan has seen) that has photos taken in the 1918 era of Chatham places but a lot of Chatham people are in there as well. Like, pictures of Ruby Bloomer and Harvey Bloomer at very early ages.
Since neither of them had any children, who might be interested in the snapshots?
You might notice the Cape Cod Five Calendar for this year recently had a photo of the Stage Harbor pier, elevated by accumulating ice.. That photo was taken form this photo album I speak of.
Next stop for the album? Chatham Historical Society.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 17:29:18
Politics does not belong in this chat room. You talk about a mess, that is what you will get if you let politics take over this room. You want to talk politics, go on Facebook.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 16:59:02
"Divided mess"? The room that "we"want? Who gualifies as a "we"? Silly me....I thought this venue was open to all. Also that the rules allow for comments on current political topics. What am I missing?
Debbie
Chatham,, MA USA - Thu 04/13/2017 - 12:45:44
Nancy nailed it - that's the room we want and had - We just weighed in with memories and stories from the old days - even had a Chatmroom reunion hosted by Jean and Gordon then later one hosted by Carl and Carol - would be so much fun to point in that direction again for early September but all the politics and squabbling seem to undermine that possibility some in here actually don't like or respect one another - Dick you may be glad to see John has complete control as it should be but until he brings us all together with something along the lines of a reunion or get together, I say it's a divided mess with finger pointing, politics, and rules
Ben H
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 21:55:33
John, glad to see you have complete control of this chat room as it should be.
Don't let some on this site grind you down. If they do not like how you run this forum, don't participate. Simple.

Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:29:34
Sorry, but I am so over this debacle. Whatever happened to our old Chat-M-Room? You know.....the one with interesting information about our beautiful town and the "kind" people in it.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 19:15:45
Judith: Sorry but that 'simple solution' hasn't yet been accomplished by sites with massive resources, like Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Google, etc. so for me to try to do so would be impossible, and would destroy one of the core principles upon which this site was created which was that virtually anyone was free to make comments here, subject to a few rules on decency and those to block spam.

And maybe you can point me to some specific entries by those two names that have caused you to label them 'trouble-makers' because I don't recall any right now which are any worse/different than content found in Chronicle Letters. That type of content is one of the factors in my evaluation of any post. And had those same posts been made by someone who people know, would you say the same thing?

If you or others see something you believe is inaccurate or false, you/others are free to challenge it but remember in some cases, people of opposing views have different perceptions of the exact same data, which doesn't make one view true and the other false.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 17:47:53
Judith maybe next go around you should run for selectman to help change this "corrupt" town YOU live in. I do not understand you or your views but respect them. Now get out and walk the beaches, stroll Main St., hike the trails and enjoy all Chatham has to offer. Oh and yes vote for Davis!!
George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 16:10:16
Amy, some of us just want fairness. When I came to Chatham many years ago, I saw only the beauty around us, and I was thrilled to live here. As I became better educated about the business of the town, government, politics, special interest groups, and challenges, it was obvious there are issues here (perhaps like many other towns) that are not beautiful and deserve attention. This is a place where citizens can do that, hopefully responsibly. Best not to hide our heads in the sand, although many choose to do so.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 15:54:20
It amazes me that some of those who post are so concerned with the name associated with the post. I like reading the content of the posts. There are two candidates and supporters for each. Let's try to respect one another whether you know or think you know who is posting. Let's get out of ourselves for a bit and look around...it's a big world out there with weighty issues...aliases used in a chat room in a small town are pretty small potatoes. And smile...many of us actually get to live in this beautiful place called Chatham.
Amy
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 14:37:00
Sorry John, but I think you've been "played". The simple solution to this problem is to no longer permit assumed names, aliases, pretenders and people who do not wish to be accountable to contribute to this site. It's too easy for those people to promote inaccuracies, false charges and get away with it, unless someone in this room knows better and challenges them. "Steve Harding" and "George Hamilton" (in his dreams!) have been trouble-makers. This is your site, but I think you have responsibilities along with ownership. If someone is so worried about retribution that he uses an alias or assumed name and blocked phone number in order to protect his employment or business, perhaps refraining from comments in this room would be wise.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 12:44:57
Let me try once again to clarify my feelings when it comes to signatures here:
1) As long as a signature cannot be confused with another existing poster, it's generally fine. The 'name' Steve/n Harding was unique and had not been used before here, and AFAIK, neither has Harding been used as a last name but only as a maiden/middle name.
2) While Harding is a name that has special value to some users here, and I understand that, it's not a surname that doesn't exist outside of Chatham and thus can be used by other posters, even if it's not their actual name. Same goes for Nickerson or Eldredge and many others.
3) I have NO means to verify if a name is real or not and thus allow names which could be real if user is from another city/state. Alan Wirsul is an example, as many thought it was a fake name but it's a real name for a real person who happens to live off-Cape.
4) I resent the 'stupid liberal interpretations which you call rules' statement as many others here have no issues with my rules, which are, I think, clearly defined and implemented. And by the nature of the office, BOS and candidates for it are allowed to be criticized a bit more than others. I attempt to show no favoritism in my Moderator posts/actions to BOS related posts.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 11:47:28
Ben -- thank you for the kind comments about my Mom. She never would have used the vile comments directed at Mr. Taylor as the fake Mr. Harding did. In fact, my mother was a strong supporter of Seth Taylor . There is no doubt in my mind she would support Mr. Taylor in this upcoming election and not be swayed by developers as the other candidate has been.
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:31:24
Bill M Chronicle 4/6/17 at p. 5.
George Myers <urkreksir@aol.com>
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:18:15
I wonder who Carl Harding Olson agrees with.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 04/12/2017 - 09:11:24
Hey Jennifer - great thought and attitude but "see John in charge, see John deal with it" - this Harding psedonymn blocked number charade gets worse by the day - from my perspective room moderator John is allowing Mr Blocked Number and maybe others to hide behind and discredit a great respected Chatham name - Jane Harding Patterson was a force in here for many years and wrote a book about that Harding girl growing up in Chatham - C'mon John, you're a good man at heart, get over these stupid literal interpretations which you call rules and pledge to all of us that every Harding we see in here from now on is a "real genuine Harding" - we could care less about your private conversations and blocked numbers - we all just want to know that the name is real or if you must allow aliases, please don't let the poster use someone else's real name - I think Jane is shaking her finger at you right now! /s/ Benjamin Harding Hallowell Jr
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/11/2017 - 20:18:51
Yes, Judith, a blocked nbr...because it seems someone feels that they may possibly suffer some form of negative financial impact and/or other retributions if their identity as related to these comments is known. I have heard of that happening in town before so I am willing to try and accommodate users like that. If you wish to not do so, that's fine but others should realize that this person might even be someone everyone knows based on their desire to remain private, as the more known a person is, the greater potential for harm exists.
J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 23:11:47
OMG John! A blocked number! Someone's really paranoid. Maybe a Russian spy. I give up. You will do what you will do.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 22:06:01
Judith: I had a phone call from a blocked nbr yesterday and the person said "I am the one posting as Steve Harding". We talked for about 7+ minutes about the problem those posts were causing and what solution to it could be achieved behind the scenes to prevent any future impostors of that signature.

I do NOT know who the person was before call and still do NOT, ok? However, the caller DID state they were recently responsible for the pro-Shareen post (and the first impostor notification) and NOT the followup pro-Seth ones. Caller also stated that no one else authorized had used that signature in the last year that it has been seen here.
As to my own views: I attempt to do my best to remain neutral in cases like this because I don't believe it's good for the site for me to take sides. However, I do favor posts which provide positive reasons for any particular candidate instead of those which attack the opposition or worse, attack the poster themselves.
Finally, I do NOT consider a person who feels the need to protect their true identity here for business, employment, personal or other reasons to be an impostor. That term only applies to someone who fraudulently uses another users signature.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:19:27
Please, enough about Steve Harding! John is in charge, he's handling it.
So as our granddaughters say, "Let it Go"!

Jennifer <madamchatham@gmail.com>
USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 21:02:16
John: Let me understand. A "Steve Harding" supports Shareen, and you happen to know who that person really is. And another "Steve Harding" should be ignored? You have personally told me you don't know who "Steve Harding" is. If you support Shareen, just say so. If you think you now know who "Steve Harding" is, it may not mean anything to you if that person is not a voter, but it may be significant to others when a imposter supports a candidate. Just sayin'.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 20:04:36
Judith: I have stated before that unless you/others have some proof that you can share with me that multiple people are using that signature (other than the two definite impostor posts when that subject was used), that I would kindly request you refrain from making accusations like that. Just because a signature doesn't match voter rolls doesn't mean anything to me in terms of being a site user, as it's open to anyone with an interest in Chatham.
Now I do know that the person using that signature (it's NOT a moniker because it uses typical/valid first/last names) is a supporter of Shareen Davis so any posts contrary to that from that signature should be ignored.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:47:17
Interesting as there is no Steve Harding living and voting in Chatham and yet the charade continues by more than one person using that moniker. Take comments under advisement as he or she is an imposter.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 19:34:00
I attended a meet an greet for a Shareen Davis and she was very well received. Good group, all ages, working, retired, fishing community, merchants. She listens to people, doesn't lecture them. Wants to hear issues and doesn't have preconceived answers.
The discourse in Chatham will change for the better when she is elected.

Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:18:09
Bill M. I agree, and could't find any info on the town site. I think there was some coverage in last week's Chronicle, and maybe more this week. Meanwhile, I suggest you phone the Town Manager to suggest the trip was newsworthy. She was in DC too.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 18:02:03
I heard that Seth Taylor went to Washington DC last week and gave testimony to Congress to defend Chatham's rights on Monomoy and Nantucket Sound. I looked on the Town website but there is no trace of it anywhere that I could find. I thought that it would be pretty important to read something like this on the front page of the town's site. Does anyone know about this?
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 15:54:05
Richard I sent a picture of the only 2-wheel wheel chair to your comcast address. Hope you get it.
Barry Fulcher <barsyl4041@netzero.net>
Naples, FL USA - Mon 04/10/2017 - 13:59:42
I'll leave that one alone, John. I guess we have to pass it, to see how long it takes.
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 21:33:03
Can anyone show me a link to a picture of a two wheeled wheelchair, and where to buy it? The only thing I came up with is a spinoff of the Segway. Is that what you folks are referring to? Inquiring minds want to know.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 17:36:38
Speaking of LTE in Chronicle, I am not sure what math is used by one letter writer who claims the West Chatham roadway project will take 5 or 7 seasons..yet only span a two year period. The majority of people I know refer to a season on the Cape as the Memorial Day to Labor Day period or similar, so you could only have two seasons in two years. Winter/Spring/Summer/Fall may be seasons for clothing and such but not for Cape business from what I know so counting by them is just another way of trying to make it sound worse than it is.
J Hallgren (as user)
Clearwater , FL USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 10:48:22
Jared's letter in the Chronicle hit the nail on the head. Good work!
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:53:10
Another letter this coming week by Todd Kelley. Todd and Jared have deep roots in Chatham and are both very distressed over what has become of the town....
Carol Kelley
USA - Sat 04/08/2017 - 09:14:30
Excellent letter in this week's Chronicle by Jared Fulcher! Please take time to read if you haven't already done so.
JudyP
USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 20:49:30
So I go out for dinner and this site gets weird...and given the open nature of how it works, since user registration is a complex coding problem beyond my skills/abilities and time, plus as I'm not wanting to move it to platform which supports that because it would ruin the 'small town' feel that it has always had, this 'Steve Harding' signature has become a real problem!
So - whomever has been using that signature MUST contact me by email or phone to provide me with contact info by midnight Friday 04/07/17 if they want their posts to remain on this site as they currently exist.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Fri 04/07/2017 - 04:01:19
Aha! Dan Meservey. Art thou a Danny Kaye fan?
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:41:29
The Vessel from the Pessel has the Pellet with the poison. The Challis from Palice has the Brew that is true
Daniel Meservey <danmeservey@aol.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:28:59
There are a few people here who are going to wreck a very good thing
Tony Murphy <redcat81@icloud.com>
USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 20:02:26
John, in an attempt to be fair and balanced I wrote the below post. I chose to speak positively about both Davis and Taylor. I agree with my impersonator that the site is becoming a challenge but disagree that he is me.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:25:11
Wow! Someone impersonating an impersonator- how very odd!
Judy P
W. Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:21:36
Well John, it's getting pretty strange on the chat room. The previous post supposedly written by Steve Harding praising Mr. Taylor was not written by me. I feel the complete opposite of what that "fake' post says. I chose only to speak positively about Shareen Davis for which I appreciate yours and others comments. I do however disavow the post made today at 16:32:30 by someone impersonating me. Your efforts to keep your site on the up and up must be very challenging.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 17:13:18
Thanks for your support John. Posts have been pretty harsh about Selectman Taylor in the past but in fairness, and to be positive, obviously many people are also very happy to see that Selectman Taylor is running for re-election and when it comes down to it, a lot of people will be voting for him, that's for certain. He has shown a solid commitment to the voters and taxpayers of Chatham. In reviewing his records, Taylor does attend every Selectman's meeting prepared to discuss the issues and do the peoples business and he fights for the best interests of Chatham's citizens. Taylor puts a lot of time into the critical subjects that come before Chatham's BOS and last week's Chronicle letter that said: "Taylor Grasps Complex Issues" is accurate. Taylor has also probably been one of the most fair, open and transparent Selectmen that Chatham has had in recent memory- so that can't taken away from him. Chatham residents like him because he is honest and has integrity. Taylor cannot be corrupted, bought, or manipulated and nobody owns him. So it will be an interesting race. Honesty counts and while Taylor might talk too much and make some verbal gaffes at times, he is as honest as they come. Taylor is an excellent choice for Chatham voters as well.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 16:32:30
We always use this service during our bi-coastal trips. Dick in the chair with Lucy (the cat) on his lap. I have the carry-ons and often have to run like the wind in either Dallas or Phoenix. Once, the wheelchair guy actually rebooked a bunch of us in Dallas after storms caused massive cancellations. Talk about a BIG tip!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 10:31:16
Not the ones I ride in Rich. Maybe back in the day.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:49:39
All the wheel chairs I have commanded have always had two large wheels and two smaller ones.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Thu 04/06/2017 - 09:29:33
I could not agree more, Carl, and I always use one at the airports. Those who push me are always well taken care of by me as they do work extremely hard and deserve to be rewarded. So happy you are using the 2-wheeled chair, as well.
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:58:31
Nancy is correct - a wheel chair. I use one when traveling by air, going to the doctor in Boston, and other occasions. I could not give enough positive comments to those who are so kind, thoughtful, and generous to me when I need help. My tipping jar has taken quite a hit over the past few years but they more than deserve whatever they receive.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 21:05:05
Carl, A wheel chair!
Nancy Ryder Petrus <nansea123@comcast.net>
Brewster, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:35:12
Thanks, friends, for your pointers.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 20:08:31
April 3, 2017
Please be advised that Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker has ordered that the United States flag and the Commonwealth flag be lowered to half-staff at all state buildings effective immediately, today April 3, 2017 until the day of interment in honor of Massachusetts State Senator Kenneth J. Donnelly, Fourth Middlesex district, of Arlington, MA who passed away on April 2, 2017. Additional details surrounding the date of interment will be provided once received by the Governor's Office.
https://www.amherstma.gov/1729/Flags-in-Amherst

Cynthia Moore <cynthiamoore120@yahoo.com>
South Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 11:02:31
Carl: A bicycle?
We need to start planning for our CHS 60th HS reunion. Ross Gould and I will be working here on my tractor carburetor tomorrow morning, so maybe we'll come up with some ideas.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 10:49:28
Bob, I saw it as a post on the news site capecod.com. That's all I know.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:34:59
BobR: I saw the flag info via a Facebook post by the Yarmouth PD so not sure if there's a state web site that may publish those notices or how that works.
J Hallgren (As user)
Clearwater, FL USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:21:18
Thanks Wayne, but I really would like to know where to find the information online. Anyone know the secret? I tried the town website - nada!
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:12:35
BobR, the Governor had the flags lowered for a state senator that died suddenly.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 09:04:31
Great drone video of the new break shot by Chris Seufert. Take a look at it, he knows what he is doing!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEv3EjqZofI

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:35:35
How does one learn for whom the rotary flag flies at half-mast?
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 08:18:07
Ben H - Got a hot rod Ford and a two dollar bill; try my best to get Fran to Blueberry Hill. The soda pop and the dancing is free, so if you if you want a good time then leave Sad Sacks with me.

Today's pop quiz - what do you call a chair with two wheels?

Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Wed 04/05/2017 - 02:14:43
Wayne and Bill M - After much frustration, I have grown to think of John as the "Great Uncle" who. whether we like it or not, hosts the Chatham family reunion. He has his own rules and is rightly criticized for selective and overly literal enforcement but it's John's reunion - he tells us where to sit, he chooses the menu. he even tells us what is permitted discussion at the dinner table. Why do we put up with this? Because, like it or not, we want to attend the reunion and catch up with one another. We all have news and memories we want to share - in order to do that, we have to put up with literal rules and interpretations which only John's mind can fathom - some long timers like Bruce in Alaska simply say enough and announce they are leaving - the rest of us hang around hoping for less politics/squabbles and more quizzes from Chowderman or at least his memories of Blueberry Hill.
Ben H
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 20:47:26
Bill M. I disagree! I think John does a great job. I think what you and many others do not understand this is not a public open forum, it is John's website. If you do not like the way he runs it go somewhere else or start your own. That has been tried but has not worked well. Everyone always comes back to John's.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:36:43
Judith: I have always tried my best to be 'fair and balanced' when it comes to which political related comments are ok and which are not. The key distinction that some don't seem to understand but which matters to me is: Is the comment directed at the poster or the issue/candidate? The latter is generally acceptable but the former, usually not. So it's normally not the point of view that might cause an issue but how the poster expresses it.

Bill M: Yes, I will fully admit to having slightly different rules but I have fully disclosed that previously. Because what gets a poster more flexibility and latitude is my greater ability to contact them outside of this site. If I have a phone nbr and email addr and know them in person, like a number of folks here, I'm more lenient since I can discuss any issue with the post with them. But if I have no way to contact a poster and don't know them, I'm more strict. My long time users are fine with this policy, I believe.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 19:22:33
John, Unfortunately you have different rules for different people. Your enforcement is selective.
Bill M.
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:44:14
John I think you have misunderstood my comment. In NO way have I criticized positive comments. But, there should be balance, and not condemnation of someone who has an opposing point of view. That's what free speech is all about, not censoring points of view you might not agree with.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 16:14:03
Judith, while you continue to remain suspicious, I would suggest you post something positive about the person YOU would support for selectmen. I agree with Steven and Carl and look forward to the upcoming town election.

Once again, thank you John for continuing to volunteer your time and efforts on this site.

George Hamilton
Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 14:30:00
Judith: I was simply saying that positive comments about either candidate are preferable over negative comments about the candidate whom that person opposes. And I find no reason why anyone who makes a strictly complimentary post should be criticized, ok? The comments themselves are basically open to being discussed but not the ability of the poster to make them, even if that poster remains unknown (even to me).

I also disagree with your contention that multiple people have used the "Steve Harding" signature unless you have reasonable proof of that occurring but the limited data I have as to identity shows that it appears to come from the same person. If you/anyone wants to ignore those posts, that's your choice but I'm not going to limit them when they (thus far) follow the minimum rules I have here.

J Hallgren (As Moderator)
Clearwater, FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 13:36:06
John H: The elections in Chatham are very important to the people who live and vote here. I'm concerned that you seem to wish only complimentary or supportive comments regarding candidates. That's not been the policy in the past, and I hope you haven't decided to change the policy. There is factual information available at town offices regarding the names of some of the supporters of candidates. That information can be illuminating. I suspect (not sure) that's where Judy P. got her information. I think it's relevant as people make their decision about who will best represent the people of the town.

It's quite clear that more than one person has assumed the name "Steve Harding". Since there is not a registered voter in Chatham by that name, I don't think the comments deserve much attention in MHO.

Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 11:08:32
I'm on Carl's side on this. A strictly positive comment re any candidate without any negative attacks is the type of political post that should be the ones here ideally if there are going to be some. While Steve Harding may not be posters actual name, it meets my criteria for a non-moniker signature and has been used enough times to establish a pattern, so this person certainly has the right to post something like that.
J Hallgren (as Moderator)
Clearwater , FL USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 09:30:29
Flew over the new brake yesterday with my brother Norm at low tide and saw the CBI boat going threw it. This break is now established. Its over 100 ft. wide.
Don St. Pierre <lobsteringdstp@comcast.net>
N Chatham, MA USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 08:17:44
Steve Harding - I though that was a nice and well written endorsement of Sharee Davis, whom I will vote for, and, I assume, JudyP will not.
Carl Olson (Chowderman) <cbolson@comcast.net>
USA - Tue 04/04/2017 - 03:26:15
"Steve Harding" - knock off the polictics- please - we don't care to hear your thoughts on Shareen - who has succumbed to developers $$$ and their backing
Judyp
West Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 22:41:10
Very happy that Shareen Davis is running for Selectman. She is qualified in so many ways. A local, a person who has lived her whole life in Chatham, raised her family here, made her living here, volunteered her time here. She is a person who truly understands the challenges of making a living in such a seasonal economy but understands the benefits of making it work. She will properly represent the diverse interests of those that choose to live here, work here, summer here or visit here.and she will do it by bringing people together. Excellent choice for Chatham voters.
Steve Harding
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 19:07:29
Stay tuned for the latest developments on this wandering, fairly substantial, buoy. Thanks Bob and Dick for your learned inputs.
The rock outcrop (awash most times) this buoy represents is not a nice place to hit.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:30:13
I am flashing white in an occult fashion.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 18:06:05
Coast Guard helicopter checked it out several times while I was quahoging and then left.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 17:45:53
Is it still flashing red every 4 seconds?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:42:09
USCG Notice to Mariners last month listed that buoy as OFF STA (station) . Certainly is now. Wonder how they will retrieve it? Need to get a line to it, then pull it off the beach and hoisted on to a buoy tender I'd guess.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 13:32:41
The bouy is from old man ledge, Muscongus, Maine.
Dick Fulcher <dick.marie@comcast.net>
Chatham, MA USA - Mon 04/03/2017 - 07:15:13
It was hard to tell which buoy it was through the haze yesterday. CG was watching it and they too thought it was the C buoy. Wonder where it came from?
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 16:29:37
C-buoy still in place. A very large buoy is ashore about a mile southwest or so of the C-buoy location, at the high water mark. Best place to view this stuff would be the boardwalk northeast of the weather station.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 15:45:14
Emily, There are lots of photos and videos. You just have to know where to look.Go to these pages, Chatham Southway,Chatham Three Breaks, and Chatham News and Cool Photos. Also try Jimmie Fallon and Randy Saul. Randy went through it in his boat this morning and got video and Jimmie walked down and also got video.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:26:40
I wish some would post a photo on Facebook!
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 14:14:58
The site of the former tombolo is confusing as of this morning at 10:15. It's difficult to tell what will remain of the inlet and a way to get to south beach, if at all possible. Lots swirling water everywhere. Hasn't discouraged the seals tho. One small sandbar giving them a place to congregate. It also looks like there will be other areas of south beach where the ocean will break through sooner rather than later.
Judith Winters
North Chatham, MA USA - Sun 04/02/2017 - 11:45:09
Just returned from the "Lights". It has broken through inside where the pond used to be, Washing right through there so as to prevent anyone from getting to South Beach, at least at high tide. We watched the
"C" Buoy depart it's mooring and head South around 4 PM.

Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:19:51
South Beach is having a major wash over where it joins the Tombolo. The one on 3/23 was just a wash over but this one looks much worse. It could be a breach.
Wayne <alongshore2002@yahoo.com>
West Chatham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 17:15:34
I heard the old "Hook Fishermen's" group leader in a radio interview last week say " There are currently more than one hundred active boats fishing out of Aunt Lydia's Cove." The only boat in sight of the Chatham Municipal Pier has not been off its mooring in years. Someone has lost touch with reality. The bar, however, is as bad as it gets. You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time...you know the rest.
BobR <zut444@verizon.net>
CH, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:34:49
Yes! They are operating out of either Saquatucket or Wychmere in Harwich, or Stage Harbor in Chatham. After today's no'theaster with 50 mph NE winds, and 20 foot seas there may be a big change in the entrance(s). Recently, there was a reported 2 feet of water at low tide at the bar. For reference, the CG36500 draws 3 1/2 feet. However, she has a 2000 lb bronze keel so hitting bottom does no damage as long as she can keep moving.
Richard Gould Ryder
Eastham, MA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 14:32:46
Where have all the fishing vessels gone from Aunt Lydia's Cove? Is crossing the bar gotten THAT bad?
Emily <Dayonown@yahoo.com>
Rancho Mirage, CA USA - Sat 04/01/2017 - 10:58:32
Better than a dull line

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